00:05:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3202-g5da3999 (34) 00:09:38 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:10:29 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:08 insulation branch? 00:13:13 oh right elec spiders 00:13:21 or no, insulation ego? 00:13:23 I forget 00:13:26 %git insulation 00:13:27 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-2898-gbcf57e3: Rings of air and rings of earth. 10(2 weeks ago, 14 files, 123+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bcf57e3e4645 00:13:32 oh god, right 00:14:43 that is the commit there that I am not landing 00:14:50 %git insulation^^ 00:14:50 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-2896-g0941268: Give either Nikola's cloak or gloves the insulation ego. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 13+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=09412687e61b 00:14:51 %git insulation^ 00:14:51 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-2897-g42e50b5: Use the right set of base types for insulation ego checks. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42e50b516535 00:14:55 %git insulation^^^ 00:14:55 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-2895-g83c5215: Armour ego: insulation. 10(3 weeks ago, 9 files, 32+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=83c52150fbbe 00:14:59 Grunt: ring of steam? 00:15:22 ring of sticky flame 00:15:22 ? 00:15:48 Grunt: enhances steam magic, de-enhances sticky flame magic! 00:16:02 00:16:26 wow, an idea so bad, it gets the classic newline 00:17:06 -!- Nstar has quit [Client Quit] 00:17:34 00:19:28 -!- hhh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:19:53 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:24 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:23:21 gammafunk: speaking of which, did you see those spider enemies 00:24:11 http://sprunge.us/HXaE 00:24:35 (the second commit has another original Grunttile) 00:25:15 heh 00:25:24 // deliberate fall-through 00:25:35 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:21 Grunt: hrm, + if (attacker->type == MONS_RED_WASP 00:26:22 + || attacker->type == MONS_YELLOW_WASP && one_chance_in(3)) { 00:26:31 changes yellow wasps? 00:27:09 red wasp (05y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 31-58 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 2304(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 541 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 00:27:09 %??red_wasp 00:27:45 oh god grunt, they're band enemies 00:29:04 storm dragon (12D) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 90-120 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 25, 1509(claw), 1507(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2034 | Sp: b.lightning (3d19) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:29:04 %??storm_dragon 00:30:54 gammafunk: old wasps are untouxhed 00:31:08 gammafunk: and they only get bands in depths 00:31:44 -!- ebering has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:32:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:13 -!- mspang has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:32:33 and here comes PleasingFungus to deservedly tear these designs a new one 00:32:39 <_< 00:32:50 Grunt: well if they're untouched, why the + lines for them in the diff? 00:32:56 did you just move the damage calc around 00:33:34 gammafunk: no, read the line above 00:33:54 gammafunk: hint: prior to this only two types of enemy reached that code block 00:34:21 oh I see, yeah 00:34:34 -!- THICK_BOY_REAGAN has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:35:21 I think I would refactor this into an AF_SHOCK or something anyway, as I don't want rPois to be a factor here at all 00:36:14 anyway I should sleep 00:36:22 hopefully one or the other of these will form a 00:36:26 spark of inspiration 00:36:32 for something ultimately useful 00:38:44 I don't really want to tear anything a new one right now. 00:38:48 Do I have to? 00:40:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 00:40:17 !lg . 00:40:18 2477. gammafunk the Caller (L8 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by an electric eel (bolt of electricity) on D:9 on 2014-12-18 06:32:12, with 1207 points after 4720 turns and 0:34:48. 00:40:25 can you tear that vault a new one for me 00:40:30 Too Many Eels 00:40:38 03roctavian02 07* 0.16-a0-3203-g7a0b6e9: Further minor iterations for a few early-game monster tiles. 10(3 minutes ago, 7 files, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a0b6e92e40d 00:41:31 couldn't justify going on with how bad my turns were already when I can't deal with eels aside from hope you kill it and then rest 00:41:53 !lg . -log 00:41:53 2477. gammafunk, XL8 HESu, T:4720: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20141218-063212.txt 00:42:09 no !invis, alas 00:43:25 -!- Dynast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:48:16 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 00:51:19 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:52:22 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:59:48 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59:50 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:01:55 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:53 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:13:37 -!- witty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:13:43 -!- wat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:57 -!- witty has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:17:37 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:17:55 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:18:58 -!- Limulus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:28:13 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:33:31 Weapons of pain do not enable training necromancy 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9341 by chequers 01:36:54 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:39:02 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:36 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:34 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:53 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:49 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 01:53:10 -!- Nunya has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 01:59:53 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:53 The build passed. 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I've come around to the viewpoint that it's good for different spell schools to encourage different types of investment, like how Poison Magic investment value drops off sharply once you get a L6 poison spell castable. 09:48:01 Lasty_: well realistically we have 2 melee-oriented form spells above bh's level already 09:48:08 it sounds like you're proposing removal of these spells? 09:48:15 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:48:27 True, and arguably they both serve purposes 09:48:50 I do see the validity of your reasoning though 09:48:56 I'm not saying we should remove them, I'm just saying maybe they've satisfactorally filled the space that form transmutations should occupy 09:49:18 er also, 3 above bh, but yeah 09:49:37 and that extending the transmutations skill should involve spells that are less form-y, or else are lower level than BH 09:49:54 I wouldn't mind if Necromutation were removed, of course . . . 09:50:09 I actually like necromute, although I concede that's in a tricky place design wise 09:50:41 gammafunk: what are the things you like about it? 09:51:00 As much as I hate to say this, I was thinking that maybe having necromute be a semi-permanent form where it's always up, and there's a larger cost with dropping *out* of necromute 09:51:01 <|amethyst> The impression I get about necromutation is that some people think it's the best spell ever and absolutely necessary for extended, and others think it's a complete waste of time 09:51:09 <|amethyst> IMO that's a pretty good place to be 09:51:13 haha 09:51:51 Lasty_: mostly the tradeoffs that it gives create some new challenges yet are indeed fun 09:52:13 It's true, that's pretty much the design space: some players will grind to use it for extended, others will ignore it as a waste of time, and it will almost never be used organically. 09:52:40 I actually like the proposal of "lichform stays up, you pay a price to drop it" 09:52:45 well, I was thinking that the form could give your a permanent Lich form status, but if you wanted to come back to life, there'd be a fairly significant cost, yeah 09:52:48 I think that would be a distinct improvement 09:52:59 <|amethyst> 1 level 09:53:10 at first I thought maybe max mp, but maybe a good dose of drain would be better 09:53:13 <|amethyst> I guess losing levels has problems, which is why we don't do that anymore except for Fe 09:53:15 as much as I hate to say that 09:53:22 <|amethyst> not drain... lose a level :) 09:53:34 no, not lose a level neil!!! :) 09:54:06 I mean, that would indeed be pretty significant, but it's onerous in a bad way 09:54:24 but lich form is immune to drain!! 09:54:32 wheals: you're dropping out of lich tho!!! 09:54:41 the one-two lich punch 09:54:51 gammafunk: Have it take 50 aut to drop lich form, impose drain, and also don't let lichform players recover drain while in lich form. 09:55:06 yeah, something like that could work 09:55:24 not sure if I really like 50 aut, but it's at least reasonable 09:55:57 ??statue_form 09:55:57 statue form[1/4]: Grants 17 + pow/10 AC, +30% HP, +2 Str, -2 Dex. Makes the base cost of an action 15 instead of 10, like the slow spell. Melds gloves, boots, bardings, and body armour. Provides rElec, rN+, 50% rTorm, rRot+, and poison immunity. 3 + str/3 bonus UC damage and 50% bonus on all melee. Gargoyles get 4 fewer AC. {Stoneskin} gives more AC while in Statue Form. 09:56:03 is that L6? 09:56:06 I always forget 09:56:12 <|amethyst> yes 09:56:27 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56:35 50 AUT might be too much, but I think it should take enough time that you can't end it to drink a !HW 09:57:07 how long does borging out of ddoor paralyse you for? :) 09:57:21 <|amethyst> I'm not sure how important preventing leaving for !HW is when there's /HW 09:57:40 <|amethyst> just makes it even more "you need /HW to use this spell" 09:57:53 well, !curing then 09:58:01 can't do that anyhow 09:58:13 meaning can't drop form if you're confused 09:58:19 !lg . br=pan 1 09:58:19 1/5. gammafunk the Devastator (L27 OpTm of Nemelex Xobeh), mangled by an angel (a +2,+1 eudemon blade of holy wrath) in Pandemonium (evilmike_holy_pan) on 2012-12-12 05:36:23, with 905999 points after 189467 turns and 1d+11:20:08. 09:58:32 silly cboe didn't remind me to put back on clarity!!! 09:58:32 oh, really? 09:58:48 Lasty_: yeah, above death was due to mistake of cboe w/o "clarity 09:58:56 ??cboe 09:58:57 crystal ball of energy[1/1]: Evoke for MP. Gives (9+Evocations)/2 MP (average!). 5.5% chance to drain all your MP, drain 1-3 INT or confuse you for 11-20 turns at max Evoc. Has another 4% chance at max Evoc to fail. The closer you are to 0 MP, the higher your chance to fail. Then another 4% chance to fail no matter what. Lower Evoc, lower success! Must have 2+ Evo to use. 09:58:57 -!- Watball has quit [Client Quit] 09:59:00 went back into lich near the end of holy pan 09:59:00 yeah, that's a nasty one 09:59:06 but forgot to put back on "clarity 09:59:19 I've gone CBOE extended, but I don't really enjoy it. It can be awfully fiddly. 09:59:40 Having Ash or the clarity mutation or Autumn makes it much more tolerable, since it's once less piece of jewellery to swap 10:00:10 I like using cboe because there's risk you can manage in exchange for more power, but it's ideal to use it pretty conservatively 10:00:33 In principle I like the idea, but I don't enjoy the experience in practice. 10:00:40 I prefer sublimation in practice. 10:02:36 well sublimation doesn't work with lich, obviously, and there are often times were mp drain is less risk than a large drop in hp if you're not rtorment 10:03:00 I don't even know if gh/vp can sublim themselves (e.g. if vp is bloodless) 10:03:12 they can't 10:03:18 at least I assume you can't if you're fully undead 10:03:45 I'm not arguing that Sublimation is more powerful, just more pleasant to use, IMO 10:04:11 Speaking of preferences, from your preferred god list, it looks like you prefer the gods that have powerful passives and/or minimize resting, and which have a small number of powerful but rarely-used invocations. Is that about right? If not, what do you look for in a god? 10:04:12 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:04:56 yeah, simplicity, "directness of ability", generally good "power level" I guess 10:05:03 it's true if I designed a RL it would not have resting 10:05:47 fedhas is reasonably simple, but his abilities past shrooms all feel either highly situational or tedious to use 10:06:01 like oklobs are very powerful, but the setup and luring of enemies 10:06:52 I don't really like the minion-centric gods, including Fedhas, but Fedhas is very good at ensuring you win the game. Admittedly, that's almost entirely because of mushrooms and oklobs. 10:07:14 which is why . . . 10:07:17 !polytheist 10:07:18 Unwon gods for Lasty_: Beogh 10:07:41 ug, I tried one beogh game and I was not a fan. I need to try to get a "proper" beogh run going though 10:07:51 !lg lasty beogh 10:07:51 No games for lasty (beogh). 10:08:26 At some point I'll win a game w/ Beogh for completionist reasons, but I don't expect to enjoy it 10:08:37 I might try going "atheist" beogh 10:09:34 yred is powerful and has some good actives, and his allies are reasonably non-annoying, but I tend to prefer using summons over a mega-undead-army since I just get greater variety in decision making and a more interesting tradeoff with mp management 10:09:44 agreed 10:09:55 I actually like playing summoners, but I don't like permanent minions 10:10:24 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:38 I think you might like Wulndraste. 10:11:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:59 Depending on how you feel about the conduct, I suppose. 10:12:36 well I'll get to see W in use a lot before I play it, and I will play it eventually 10:12:42 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:44 it's always fun watching people try out new gods 10:14:10 I should watch people play more 10:14:35 can W compile on 64 bit without weirdness? 10:14:39 Since I do console, I rarely have a sense of who is watching me 10:14:44 johnstein: no, afaik 10:14:54 er, it can compile, but floodfill will crash 10:15:39 I'll probably need to hold off doing the experimental till it can run ok. since I'm using a semi-canned process and may not be smart enough to go outside process to get it working ok 10:16:02 that's fair 10:16:05 my dirty secret is now known. I'm a sysadmin FRAUD! 10:16:16 I'm hoping some fancy person like |amethyst will figure it all out for me. 10:16:25 Because I have no idea what I'm doing. 10:16:39 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:49 heh. |amethyst also may have an easy solution for the experimental since I'm using his process :p 10:17:12 Awright, so we just need to hold hands and invoke |amethyst really hard . . . 10:17:17 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17:54 we just pinged him 3 times 10:17:57 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:59 isn't that how it works? 10:18:10 hey, is it possible to call a command (like CMD_REST) from a lua function? from what i have seen in rc files people always use crawl.processkeys("5") for that but I want to rebind 5... 10:18:17 That's the ritual. Though I did forget to light any candles. . . 10:21:56 ElanMorin: looks like you'd just want to bind rest to another key and use processkeys on that key 10:22:10 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:22:25 could be some key you'd otherwise never use, including with ctrl modifier 10:22:46 hmm I guess this would be a workaround 10:23:55 btw is there a documentation of what is exposed through the lua API? or can you just get to know that be code diving? 10:24:07 *by 10:24:17 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:25:39 <|amethyst> ElanMorin: more or less by code diving 10:25:58 <|amethyst> some of the dungeon-side stuff, like triggerables, are documented, but even that is probably out of date 10:26:21 <|amethyst> You should note that autofight will fail if you've remapped hjkl etc 10:26:33 ElanMorin: hrm, looking at crawl.processkeys, I think that "5" you send might actually get interpreted as rest regardless of your rebind of 5 10:26:49 if you're calling it as crawl.processkeys("5"), it's not reading your rebindings at all 10:27:05 even if I macro it? 10:27:20 yeah, just by the way the function works; it's not reading your rebindings/macros at all 10:27:30 but you can try it to confirm this 10:27:39 or maybe |amethyst can tell me I'm wrong, but that looks like how it works 10:27:52 <|amethyst> what code are you looking at? 10:27:59 <|amethyst> crawl_process_keys ? 10:28:01 crawl_process_keys 10:28:02 yes 10:28:36 <|amethyst> that uses key_to_command 10:28:37 yeah, looks like crawl.sendkeys() might be aware of macros, but not processkeys? 10:28:48 <|amethyst> macros are probably find 10:28:55 <|amethyst> but rebindings 10:29:22 ah, sorry there are indeed multiple key_to_command functions 10:29:30 ok macro does create an infinite loop 10:29:31 <|amethyst> bindkeys changes the _keys_to_cmds array that key_to_command uses 10:29:35 just tested it 10:29:55 does not 10:30:11 leaving out whole words :D 10:31:03 |amethyst: yeah I was looking at key_to_command in libw32c.cc 10:31:59 not the one in macro.cc, which is what gets used 10:32:17 anyway thanks guys, I have a 'working' solution :) 10:32:41 np, we'll send you our consulting bill, same as always 10:33:15 <|amethyst> hm... this windows key_to_command should be renamed of course 10:33:18 $1000 in dungeon gold per minute of consultation 10:33:19 <|amethyst> but also it worries me 10:33:38 wait, just firing up a gozag run 10:33:51 <|amethyst> looks like this translates 'home' into 'y' 10:34:00 <|amethyst> maybe that isn't just a putty bug 10:34:23 <|amethyst> I don't have a Windows console build and a machine to test it on, though 10:34:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:06 |amethyst: linux console here: home moves nw end sw PgUp ne PgDown se 10:37:13 <|amethyst> ElanMorin: right, right 10:37:15 this looks like intended behaviour 10:37:34 <|amethyst> ElanMorin: I mean, home doesn't send the letter 'y' if you press it at a y/n prompt on Linux 10:37:40 <|amethyst> but some people have reported that 10:37:54 <|amethyst> it happens if you use nethack keypad mode in putty (which makes KP home send 'y') 10:37:58 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:38:30 <|amethyst> but this code makes me worry that something similar might happen in Windows console too 10:38:33 <|amethyst> !source ck_tr 10:38:34 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/libw32c.cc;hb=HEAD#l644 10:38:58 <|amethyst> (the function immediately after that array, but the array is relevant as well as the order of the CK_ enums) 10:39:27 |amethyst: doesn't seem to be happening 10:39:41 ctrl-f, then press 'home' doesn't make a y appear 10:39:52 <|amethyst> hm, does that use getchk? 10:39:56 no clue 10:40:17 <|amethyst> try stack five 10:40:26 <|amethyst> and press home at the "Are you done?" prompt 10:40:49 yeah home seems to act as a 'y' there 10:40:58 <|amethyst> or at the "Pick up X? ((y)es/(n)o/...)" ? 10:41:18 <|amethyst> hm, what's the option for that 10:42:17 <|amethyst> need pickup_menu_limit=100 or similar 10:42:22 <|amethyst> or 3, whatever 10:44:02 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3204-g2add07e: Make Singularities insubstantial 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2add07e06dd0 10:46:15 (really, singularities should be the exact opposite of insubstantial <_<) 10:46:17 <|amethyst> I do kind of wonder if this ck_tr thing is needed at all 10:48:46 <|amethyst> %git d5e5340c 10:48:51 07greensnark02 * d5e5340c3926: Integrated travel patch as of 20060727 10(8 years ago, 106 files, 20221+ 2297-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5e5340c3926 10:50:24 <|amethyst> no singularity-shaped blocks of ice? 10:50:29 <|amethyst> (burning) 10:51:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:51:53 You see here: a singularity (blinded, dazed, confused, slow, on fire, raging) 10:52:35 mm I just found a good bug while tinkering with some of those spider enemies 10:53:00 if you have Vitalisation going, wasp stings have no side effects for anyone 10:53:36 <|amethyst> You see here: a hole in the very fabric of space itself (dumb, unaware) 10:54:07 -!- Manslay[work] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:25 <|amethyst> ??dumb 10:54:25 gammafunk[6/12]: <|amethyst> that's dumb 10:54:36 Grunt: meaning, it protects your allies? 10:54:46 gammafunk: also other monsters if you have a friendly wasp 10:54:58 that is a nice bug 10:55:12 <|amethyst> oh, "dumb" actually means "stupified" 10:55:25 <|amethyst> I was trying to figure out what the difference between "dumb" and "mute" was 10:55:26 Grunt: there's anothe weird zin bug iirc where, under sanctuary, if you're in water, a fleeing enemy will *swap* with you if you move into it 10:55:30 but it doesn't do that on land 10:55:32 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:50 swap like how your allies do 10:56:16 maybe that's been fixed though, noticed that way back when making jump attack 10:56:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:36 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:31 |amethyst: maybe we need dumb spectres 10:58:09 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58:41 or stupid spectres, if you like 10:59:48 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:53 -!- winlu has quit [Changing host] 11:01:25 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:34 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:01:42 <|amethyst> blurry cognition 11:01:55 sleep deprivation: 2 11:02:12 <|amethyst> level 3 turns all monsters into Klowns 11:02:29 slowed for 3 turns if 1d20 >= 15 11:02:33 every turn 11:03:22 <|amethyst> I was thinking, actions other than and take twice as long 11:04:46 no, no 11:04:57 those aren't fine either 11:05:07 if 1d4 is 4 then you get confused for the duration of the action 11:05:22 (how do you o confused? who knows!) 11:05:38 <|amethyst> RMODE_RANDOM_WALK 11:05:50 your mind is too fuzzy to detect the difference 11:05:54 until it suddenly isn't 11:08:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:09:33 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3204-g2add07e (34) 11:17:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:51 !source melee_attack::mons_apply_attack_flavour 11:17:51 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:17:52 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l2768 11:18:48 * Grunt 's divine stamina protects him from merge conflicts! 11:19:01 reading through the spark wasp code. 11:19:11 PleasingFungus: don't bother; I'm rewriting it right now <_< 11:19:14 heh 11:19:19 good 11:19:22 was it too URGH 11:19:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:19:49 maybe a little 11:19:49 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:19:49 I'm going to push a branch in a few moments. 11:20:03 * gammafunk rererebases Grunt! 11:20:16 I vaguely feel like spark wasps might work better in vaults than in depths. don't ask me why, just my gut speaking 11:20:45 Helpless, you fail to dodge the living lightning. 11:20:51 learn add rare_messages 11:21:42 -!- BanquosGhost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:21:47 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:33 wasps are cute, fit well with spider's mechanics while providing their own twist, and will kill players. storm striders I'm not so sure about. 11:25:16 They need something more 11:25:16 . 11:25:33 Originally they were storm spiders and had ensnaring attacks, but I can't really get away with that on something that isn't a spider <_< 11:26:26 stormblebee 11:26:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:26:53 Invalid spell slot format: 'flash freeze' in 'flash_freeze' 11:26:53 %??rat hd:13 spells:flash_freeze 11:26:57 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 24-42 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | XP: 81 | Sp: flash freeze (3d21) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:26:57 %??rat hd:13 spells:flash_freeze.200.natural 11:27:05 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 24-42 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | XP: 81 | Sp: chilling breath (3d16) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:27:05 %??rat hd:13 spells:chilling_breath.200.natural 11:27:05 winter wasp 11:27:20 what 11:27:21 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 24-42 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | XP: 81 | Sp: b.electrical (3d16) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:27:21 %??rat hd:13 spells:electrical_bolt.200.natural 11:27:23 a strider isn't a spider? 11:27:31 I am thinking of water striders here <_< 11:27:36 they're insects 11:27:53 (they eat spiders too!) 11:28:19 o 11:28:23 the ecology, tho... 11:28:27 tbh I was thinking of this thing http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/055/3/0/30b7e5f2f1cb7390f43d32102033f863-d5w5dgc.jpg 11:28:30 because I'm a huge dork 11:28:36 of course you were <3 11:29:27 i'm instead thinking of http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/14/15264.png weird little robot spiders 11:29:28 striiiideerrrrrrrr 11:29:48 what game is that? 11:29:52 Strife 11:30:02 (I can't access that page) 11:30:06 Strife! 11:30:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:30:45 weird little stalker spiders 11:30:53 hmm some water striders have wings 11:31:03 I could give them jumping abilities......... 11:31:05 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:31:27 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:31:58 jump attacks.......? 11:32:02 but those were removed! 11:32:08 !banish PleasingFungus 11:32:08 Grunt casts a spell. PleasingFungus is cast into 4chan! 11:32:11 uh 11:32:13 brutal. 11:32:14 whoa 11:32:16 dang.... 11:32:30 that's cold, sequell 11:32:51 -!- rlund has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:34:01 -!- ibar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:38 i wonder what board 11:35:20 /r9k/ 11:35:58 rip 11:35:59 rip 11:36:01 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:36:34 he wasn't born in glorious e/vr/ope 11:39:01 dang these things are aggravating now 11:40:18 alright let's make this branch public 11:40:23 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 11:40:56 New branch created: spiderstuff (4 commits) 11:40:57 03Grunt02 07[spiderstuff] * 0.16-a0-3205-g79b4720: Make the plain spider a genus enemy only. 10(20 minutes ago, 11 files, 37+ 48-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=79b4720c2258 11:40:57 03Grunt02 07[spiderstuff] * 0.16-a0-3206-gc6adc4b: Spark wasps. 10(10 days ago, 14 files, 126+ 59-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6adc4bee42d 11:40:57 03Grunt02 07[spiderstuff] * 0.16-a0-3207-gf90f4b7: Storm striders. 10(10 days ago, 12 files, 48+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f90f4b7ef1a6 11:40:57 03Grunt02 07[spiderstuff] * 0.16-a0-3208-gd77741a: Sprinkle the new Spider enemies throughout the Spider endings. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d77741adf19b 11:40:59 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:28 wasp wattage 11:41:39 voltaic vespids 11:42:09 the spider hate 11:42:37 INSANE anti-spider racism. 11:42:43 ??rules[add 11:42:43 rules[1/6]: Remove 5 monsters for every monster you add. 11:42:49 !send PleasingFungus storm striders 11:42:49 Sending storm striders to PleasingFungus. 11:42:53 spider (10s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-29 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 1008(poison:10-20) | web sense | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 132 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 11:42:53 %??spider 11:42:56 water moccasin (07S) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 5 | HP: 18-37 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Dam: 1008(poison:10-20) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 149 | Sz: small | Int: reptile. 11:42:56 %??water moccasin 11:42:56 I guess 0.15 followed that rule 11:43:07 yellow wasp (08y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-30 | AC/EV: 5/14 | Dam: 1304(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 126 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 11:43:07 %??yellow wasp 11:44:02 yellow wasps are fairly distinctive, and the extra 5 ev on moccasins isn't totally negligible. but I ain't gonna fight for spiders. 11:44:19 wow, that storm strider tile 11:44:21 it's very 11:44:23 blue 11:44:33 it could use improvement :) 11:44:43 (actually spark wasps need something that isn't a recolour) 11:45:05 I am a sprite master. 11:45:30 * ontoclasm flickers out of sight! 11:45:42 * Grunt stares at ontoclasm. ontoclasm suddenly loses the ability to move! 11:47:24 at some point it might be good if crawl didn't have two completely distinct enemies both named "lost soul" 11:47:41 well one of those is easy to fix :) 11:48:09 ya 11:48:18 -!- Fluttershaft has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 11:48:31 "forlorn spirit" 11:48:48 spirit (08p) | Spd: 4 | HD: 7 | HP: 39-67 | AC/EV: 3/19 | 08holy, 10doors, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(37), 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 08holy, 04napalm | XP: 66 | Sp: blink away | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:48:48 %0.10?spirit 11:48:52 <3 11:51:40 7 files changed, 299 insertions(+), 380 deletions(-) 11:51:45 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss? 11:52:10 Grunt: are you leaking 11:52:12 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:52:16 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:52:16 PleasingFungus: sssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 11:52:27 * PleasingFungus hisses pleasantly! 11:52:36 * Grunt gives a beautiful shriek! 11:54:34 -!- Hailey has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 11:54:35 <3 11:55:42 -!- omni5cience is now known as omni5ci_ 11:58:26 -!- omni5ci_ is now known as omni5cience_ 12:05:57 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08:24 -!- mineral is now known as read 12:11:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:19:21 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:07 -!- Ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:25:46 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:07 -!- axecop has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35:43 ooh new spiders 12:36:55 -!- winlu has quit [Changing host] 12:37:16 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:37:35 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:19 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:08 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:13 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:14 so 12:42:16 i made http://sprunge.us/YMMK 12:42:26 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:42:52 but for some reason whenever a monster casts an ex-direct_effect the game crashes, and it looks like it's trying to fire a bolt 12:42:58 even though they shouldn't be 12:43:13 this would be much easier if windows had stack traces >:( 12:43:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:52 wheals: oh, I've heard of that crash 12:46:05 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:24 oh 12:46:31 the crash is a pretty generic one, just of an unitialised beam 12:47:07 s/unit/uninit/ 12:47:33 wheals: ya 12:47:36 wheals: the problem is 12:48:03 wheals: if you try to use a spell that asks for a target, it needs to generate a noise, and it needs some kind of tracer for that 12:48:10 oh 12:48:12 dang 12:48:15 wheals: look up the beam init for SPELL_IOOD et al 12:48:19 !send wheals 42d1 12:48:20 Sending 42d1 to wheals. 12:51:25 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:56:36 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:25 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:01:00 -!- Ironfoot has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:45 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:17 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03:48 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3205-g254a56b: Fix timing for the banishment animation. 10(3 hours ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=254a56bd6699 13:03:48 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3206-g25bda68: Refactor away direct_effect. 10(72 minutes ago, 7 files, 302+ 388-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25bda681256f 13:04:43 %git 0.15-a1 13:04:43 Could not find commit 0.15-a1 (git returned 128) 13:04:46 %git 0.15-a0 13:04:46 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0: A 0.15 changelog header. 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dfb4df3e3ea 13:04:49 %git 0.15-a0^ 13:04:50 07Grunt02 * 0.14-b1: A changelog touch-up to kick off the 0.14 branch. 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90d5cc33569b 13:05:01 %git 0.15-b0^ 13:05:01 Could not find commit 0.15-b0^ (git returned 128) 13:05:31 %git 0.15-b1^ 13:05:31 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2403-g91670f7: Remove Gozag from the changelog 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 14+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91670f780909 13:05:37 %git 0.14-b1^ 13:05:44 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-3618-g3331d8b: Purge an extraneous bit from dc-mon.txt. 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3331d8b85e77 13:05:47 hm 13:05:54 %git 0.13-b1^ 13:05:54 07kilobyte02 {Grunt} * 0.13-a0-3167-g10b3f51: Changelog for 0.12.3 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 22+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=10b3f5141bad 13:06:36 %git 0.9-b1^ 13:06:43 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-a1-1442-g9ab1d52: Reconcile player and monster partial petrification. 10(3 years, 5 months ago, 12 files, 88+ 50-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ab1d527194f 13:06:51 %git 0.8-b1^ 13:06:51 Could not find commit 0.8-b1^ (git returned 128) 13:06:56 rip 13:07:08 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 13:10:39 The lower half of D ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 13:11:07 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:28 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:16:01 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:16:22 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:17:55 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:53 goddangit 13:19:06 I thought spider's thing was having nothing in the way of ranged monsters outside of orb spiders 13:19:10 what are you planning Grunt 13:21:54 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:24:51 -!- Chousuke_ is now known as Chousuke 13:25:17 Lightli: your removal. Permanently. 13:25:24 -!- crawl1 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:25:42 rip 13:25:49 %git 0.15-b1^ 13:25:49 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2403-g91670f7: Remove Gozag from the changelog 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 14+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91670f780909 13:25:54 %git 0.14-b1^ 13:25:54 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-3618-g3331d8b: Purge an extraneous bit from dc-mon.txt. 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3331d8b85e77 13:25:58 hm 13:26:22 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:24 -!- Judedude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 32.0.2/20140917194002]] 13:32:55 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:55 -!- bullock has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:33:17 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:33 yeah lightli's concern wrt striders is pretty close to mine 13:33:39 you know, I liked only half of the lair branches branching out into elements for top threats 13:33:39 theTower: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:33:57 snake and 13:34:01 (earth isn't an element because it's resisted with ac >_>) 13:34:07 !send pleasingfungus swamp_icy 13:34:07 Sending swamp_icy to pleasingfungus. 13:34:09 snake is the one that doesn't 13:34:13 er 13:34:15 !send wheals shock serpents 13:34:15 Sending shock serpents to wheals. 13:34:21 salamanders 13:34:22 oh right 13:34:28 "salamanders" "top threats" 13:34:35 but yeah shock serpents 13:34:38 mystics! with their haste other! 13:34:46 haste other is VERY fiery. 13:34:55 fire is fast 13:34:56 !send PleasingFungus friction 13:34:57