00:00:30 if it's not in math reviews or zentralblatt it's probably crankery 00:04:18 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:06:30 my self-published proof of the existance of navier-stokes solutions is not quakery! 00:06:46 I just ask that it be appropriately cited 00:07:08 quakery 00:07:13 it really 00:07:15 shakes things up? 00:07:18 -!- Dynast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:07:25 oh forgot the c 00:07:36 * Grunt gestures. gammafunk evaporates and reforms as a duck! 00:07:39 solve fluid dynamics problems for QUAD DAMAGE 00:07:41 new crawl mechanic 00:07:55 man, with as man games as some people play 00:08:00 we might get a breakthrough 00:08:07 *many 00:09:10 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.16-a0-3171-ga6dc0c2: Merge branch 'master' into webtiles-changes 10(4 hours ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6dc0c20383a 00:09:10 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.16-a0-3172-g916e757: Fix toml parsing of comment lines 10(46 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=916e757fa559 00:09:10 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.16-a0-3173-gcb5b93e: Properly handly missing dgl status file options 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb5b93e930e9 00:09:10 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.16-a0-3174-g7f21dbe: Change uid and gid of WebTiles server pid file only when appropriate 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f21dbeec3a8 00:09:22 dammit 00:09:28 *handle 00:11:46 I should probably try to set that up 00:11:52 there's been a lot of changes since my last test 00:11:58 mm 00:12:11 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.16-a0-3173-g010b0f8: Properly handle missing dgl status file options 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=010b0f882abb 00:12:11 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.16-a0-3174-g53d53ae: Change uid and gid of WebTiles server pid file only when appropriate 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53d53aea8a2c 00:12:12 <_< 00:12:12 >_> 00:12:12 webtiles-changes-changes 00:12:24 * Grunt forcibly pushes gammafunk. 00:12:41 gammafunk slams into the repository!!!! 00:13:34 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3100-g569f156 (34) 00:13:53 -!- Cthulhu|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:16:31 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:34 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:34 The build has errored. (master - 73088b9 #1075 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/43674833 00:21:34 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:21:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:41 noooooo 00:25:04 -!- AlexM___ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:29:56 !fail gammafunk 00:31:03 ple asi ngf ung us: dpeg_arrival_sounds_drone 00:31:54 !vault dpeg_arrival_sounds_drone 00:31:54 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/arrival/small.des;hb=HEAD#l1618 00:32:06 um 00:32:07 hm 00:32:09 good vault right below it, too 00:33:00 looks like probably the inner segment should have no_trap_gen? 00:33:10 since I'm guessing they're getting teleported out? 00:33:22 yeah 00:33:43 or shafted! 00:33:51 hard to get shafted into d:1 00:33:52 :p 00:34:14 You wake up in a daze and can't recall much. 00:34:57 %git :/ngel 00:34:57 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3056-g2408add: Changelog through 0.16-a0-3055-gf5291b4 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 11+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2408add87463 00:36:36 ... 00:36:48 for the record, I was looking for 00:36:49 %git 90b15e8267 00:36:50 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-179-g90b15e8: Nerf D:2 angels (Person Dyslexic) 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90b15e826796 00:37:04 by the way, while spellset fix-ups and such are being brought up 00:37:13 KMASK: '" = no_trap_gen before the NSUBSTs seems like the right fix? 00:37:20 the three faun set-ups could be consolidated since that was the point of the whole thing 00:37:38 (them having three seperate spell sets for three spells, I mean) 00:37:51 hm - that doesn't work... 00:38:06 oh, no, that's a hatch, not a shaft 00:38:11 no, kmask doesn't apply after transforms like kprop 00:38:14 theTower: what was the point of the thing? 00:38:20 faun (03c) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 40-61 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 23 | 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 544 | Sp: corona, confuse / corona, slow | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:38:20 %??faun 00:38:54 the point being to have some precision controls on fauns not casting some spells too much (it is a band of hexers in shoals after all) 00:39:35 would you like some help or will you just try hard to figure this out 00:41:36 sorry, I'm kind of distracted right now 00:42:52 * Grunt catches PleasingFungus momentarily off guard. Grunt carves PleasingFungus like a ham!!!!!! 00:42:54 probably I'll have a closer look at it tomorrow. 00:43:11 Grunt: dang, tso gonna be real disappointed in you 00:43:44 !send Wulndraste PleasingFungus 00:43:44 Sending PleasingFungus to Wulndraste. 00:43:59 would you use wulndraste on a spen 00:44:05 I guess he helps a little 00:44:09 maybe? 00:44:23 +hp seems nice 00:44:26 It's hard to make a god that does not go well with SpEn. 00:44:43 !hs * spen qaz 00:44:44 18. Ratboiler the Spriggan Cataclysm (L27 SpEn of Qazlal), blasted by an orb of fire (fireball) (kmap: lemuel_lake_of_fire) on Zot:5 on 2014-11-07 17:03:45, with 621114 points after 104006 turns and 6:11:36. 00:44:49 wow 00:45:28 -!- AlexM____ has quit [] 00:45:30 what a shame, not even a win 00:45:34 so close! 00:45:43 !lg * spen qaz s=name 00:45:43 18 games for * (spen qaz): 4x Ratboiler, 2x spencer102, 2x vYxOr, LifeKills, replay55, Surr, imbaray, rodrick, Tory, LuckViper, firemonkey, SomeoneAwful, chipmonk 00:45:46 heh 00:46:03 !hs * en !tr !mi qaz 00:46:04 80. keymashgrqeeg the Ogreish Cataclysm (L27 OgEn of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-09-13 01:56:15, with 1628812 points after 77084 turns and 7:15:50. 00:46:07 feh 00:46:08 !hs * spen ru 00:46:09 22. fdshfn the Imperceptible (L21 SpEn of Ru), shot by a centaur (arrow of frost) (led by a centaur warrior) on Depths:1 on 2014-09-22 00:03:51, with 353925 points after 87035 turns and 7:02:57. 00:46:15 huh 00:46:22 TODO? 00:46:53 sacrifice stealth 00:47:39 -!- speranza has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:47:40 -!- speranza_ is now known as speranza 00:50:47 sacrifice evocations 00:50:55 sacrifice dodging 00:51:04 sacrifice hexes. 00:51:42 -!- Ahrin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:53:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:54:12 -!- AlexM___ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:56:41 -!- AlexM___ has quit [Client Quit] 00:57:15 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:32 !messages 00:57:32 No messages for TZer0. 01:02:55 -!- xug has quit [*.net *.split] 01:05:40 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:09:05 -!- DrStalker has quit [] 01:09:10 -!- Xeiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:09:51 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:51 The build has errored. 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The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 02:18:28 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:19:20 -!- lessens has quit [] 02:22:37 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3100-g569f156 (34) 02:23:55 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:12 -!- schistosoma has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:34:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:19 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:43:38 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:47:55 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:51:16 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:54:26 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:39 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:03 The build was fixed. 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(master - 149bcfb #1083 : Steve Melenchuk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/43679876 05:54:57 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 05:54:58 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:16:03 !tell PleasingFungus I had an idea I wanted to check with you. 06:16:04 somebody: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:17:51 !tell PleasingFungus Cigotuvi's does not work with chunks, but there are some spells that still make them. Nowadays, if you make chunks with IOOD or Immolation, you can no longer do anything Necromancer-ey about them, — neither Sublimation, nor Simulacrum accept them any more. 06:17:51 somebody: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:18:54 !tell PleasingFungus Maybe Cigotuvi's could accept them for something like 1/5 worth of a normal non-skeletonized corpse? However small this can be, I think it would be nice nevertheless. 06:18:55 somebody: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:20:56 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 06:22:09 !tell PleasingFungus I felt horribly incompetent, having to let all this good flesh be wasted. :) http://min.us/i/bdjn10FUBz01c 06:22:09 somebody: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:23:45 !tell PleasingFungus P.S. If you want me to stop bothering you, just let me know where to post such things, instead. :) 06:23:45 somebody: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:26:42 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:29:40 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:30:44 -!- gvp has quit [Client Quit] 06:35:56 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 06:36:33 -!- liquidsnake has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:37:05 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:38:36 lua memory crash 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9320 by enigmoo 06:53:08 -!- PolkaDot has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:34 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:54:52 -!- TheMattybee has quit [] 07:00:25 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:06:42 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:15 -!- BOOPYPUTT has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11:11 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:13:49 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 07:20:37 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:37 The build has errored. 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To wizmode! 08:10:29 kvaak: yes, recent tloc changes added support for impact damage 08:10:43 huh 08:17:48 Brannock: Allies do go hostile when colliding with monsters 08:18:19 So we know it's the damage to the ally itself that's triggering hostility 08:19:21 mhm, it's probably attributed to the player 08:19:51 And not marked as accidental or whatever else for some cases where you do damage allies 08:20:03 s/for/like for/ 08:26:01 such as...? 08:27:25 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:12 !tell Keskitalo good to see that linley finally figured out about structs and enums :P 08:28:12 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:28:13 wheals: OK, I'll let keskitalo know. 08:28:16 !messages 08:28:17 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (16h 15m 32s ago): Implementation in intercal* 08:29:09 -!- Harkenn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:31:58 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:44 omg <3 doodad 08:38:49 ?/doodad, doodad 08:38:50 No matches. 08:38:53 ?/doodad 08:38:53 No matches. 08:43:42 ?/doo 08:43:43 Matching terms (23): ddoor, death's_door, detect_secret_doors, doom, doom_checklist, doom_knight, doome, doomrl, doomrl_guide, doomrl_reasons, door, door_dancing, door_god, door_mimic, door_reasons, door_vault, inept_door_mimic, inescapable_doom, runed_door, seal_doors, sword_of_the_doom_knight, trapdoor_spider, traps__doors; entries (114): 41qyscrawl[5] | 41qyscrawl[6] | abyss[1] | aizul[1] | bat... 08:43:46 also good to see stuff.c 08:43:49 an old friend 08:43:52 bah 08:45:19 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47:26 book descriptions are not wrapping on trunk 08:47:37 and are instead going off edge of screen 08:48:43 yeah I noticed 08:48:58 it's especially bad with the akashic record description 08:51:54 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:52:53 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:53 The build passed. (master - 2ec9ae5 #1087 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/43681358 08:52:53 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 09:01:40 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:03:11 -!- fireprfHydra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:03:16 ??dis 09:03:16 dis[1/2]: One of the hell branches. You can find Dispater with his nice staff at the end. Also home of the Iron Rune. Look out for hellions, fiends, hell sentinels, brimstone fiends, and ice fiends. 09:03:17 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:03:25 ??akashic record 09:03:25 akashic record[1/1]: Dispersal, Controlled Blink, Malign Gateway, Disjunction, Singularity. Requires 6 spellcasting and 10 translocations to memorize spells out of this book. 09:05:43 ??singularity 09:05:43 singularity[1/2]: Level 9 Translocations. Places a monster like Fulminant Prism that draws creatures that are within its radius closer to itself, pulls harder the closer they are, and deals damage to creatures that are sufficiently close. Lasts ~6-8 turns, dependent on power. Doesn't warp allies. 09:07:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:08:38 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:18 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 09:18:52 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:08 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:25 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:22:45 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 09:23:21 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:24:56 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:34:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:23 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:01 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:46 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:53:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3101-gbae0a89: Re-add monster names to xv (Grunt) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bae0a8991dd5 10:00:13 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:05:19 !send PleasingFungus the Nameless One 10:05:20 Sending the Nameless One to PleasingFungus. 10:07:28 -!- PolkaDot has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:40 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:20 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:10:38 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 10:10:52 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:52 The build has errored. (webtiles-changes - 7f21dbe #1089 : gammafunk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/43682682 10:10:52 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:10:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:19 hrm 10:11:34 !source dat/dlua/dungeon.lua:641 10:11:34 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/dungeon.lua;hb=HEAD#l641 10:11:46 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:54 wonder if this possibly out-of-date list is used anywhere 10:12:48 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:08 # It seems as if he practised box casting. I wonder what that's good for. 10:16:08 # Vault by dpeg. Thanks to Enne for box_glyph and to Jude for triggers. 10:16:13 classic dpeg 10:17:49 ?/doo-dad 10:17:50 Matching entries (1): |amethyst[11]: ♪ Acquirement function ten page long / Doo-dad, doo-dad ♪ 10:18:04 whew 10:18:43 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:32 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:21:08 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that list is used in zigs and wizlabs 10:21:17 |amethyst: yeah, I found them all 10:22:02 I guess it'd be nice if it somehow used the normal scroll selection and just did a filter for good_scroll 10:22:09 rather than having the weights encoded there 10:23:09 i wonder whether any of those portal vault functions are used 10:23:18 which ones? 10:23:26 the ones above the link 10:24:12 hrm 10:24:23 I don't see that portal_vault is used actually 10:24:49 ...nor portal_next 10:27:08 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/enum.h#l4658 10:27:42 |amethyst: c++11 lets us just set that as a 64-bit enum, right? 10:27:54 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/AppHdr.h#l48 10:28:08 ha, 0x0000FFFFULL 10:37:01 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, ENUM_INT64 could be : uint64_t pretty much everywhere now (right now it is "unsigned long long" on Visual Studio) 10:37:35 <|amethyst> wheals: OTOH, it shouldn't be necessary: the compiler is supposed to pick a type that will hold all the enumerators 10:37:45 i think that would also let us use enums in mon-enum.h? 10:38:38 <|amethyst> wheals: probably that ENUM_INT64 thing is to work around a VS defect? 10:38:49 <|amethyst> wheals: you mean mon-flags.h ? 10:38:53 er, yeah 10:39:14 |amethyst: maybe, but it's possible that the version of VS with it is no longer supported 10:39:27 <|amethyst> yeah, I would see about VS2013 10:39:45 not that we really support VS anyway... 10:40:26 <|amethyst> and, yes, mon class flags can be an enum now (though monsterentry::bitfields should not be) 10:41:30 right 10:41:43 <|amethyst> (and likewise monster_flag_type and monster::flags) 10:42:13 wonder if we can make mons_class_flag or whatever the function name is take the enum (which would have prevented that MF_PRIEST thing!) 10:42:32 we'd have to check if anything passes an | or an & of two flags into it, i guess 10:42:43 er, just an | 10:42:49 <|amethyst> and things do 10:42:57 <|amethyst> if (mons_class_flag(spc, M_NO_POLY_TO | M_CANT_SPAWN)) 10:43:34 i suppose you could change that to an || and two calls 10:43:37 <|amethyst> that seems to be the only one though 10:43:42 but whether that's better is certainly subjective 10:45:41 ...now I learn about the crawl clua binding for grammar... 10:49:18 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:49:21 <|amethyst> wheals: given how rarely we do it, and that the semantics aren't obvious, I'd say it's fine to split it up 10:49:56 <|amethyst> wheals: item_ident() OTOH is used with a bitmask much more often 10:50:03 <|amethyst> wheals: and has different semantics! 10:50:19 <|amethyst> wheals: (item_ident checks if all the passed flags are set; mons_class_flag if any are set) 10:50:52 ouch 10:50:57 it also looks like I could move that landing ray flag up 10:51:18 <|amethyst> wheals: also, both occurrences of mons_class_flag(mc, X | Y) have the same X and Y 10:51:40 to like TILE_FLAG_LANDING = 0x10000000ULL 10:51:43 M_NO_POLY_TO | M_CANT_SPAWN ? 10:51:52 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, so mons_class_flag(spc, M_NO_POLY_TO | M_CANT_SPAWN) should be split into a function anyway 10:52:00 or you could add a mask in the enum 10:52:06 <|amethyst> then it's just one place and that doesn't justify it :) 10:52:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 10:52:33 <|amethyst> yeah, could do that, but eh 10:53:17 I don't know if any of those are marshalled though 10:53:20 actually, is there anything with M_CANT_SPAWN but not M_NO_POLY_TO 10:53:23 since that would be weird 10:56:16 <|amethyst> everything that has it 10:57:18 <|amethyst> I mean, M_CANT_SPAWN also implies no poly to without actually setting the flag 10:57:43 <|amethyst> and I'm not sure it makes sense to require setting both 10:58:25 <|amethyst> because why would you ever want to say "this can't be placed by any means, but you can polymorph stuff into it" 11:01:13 <|amethyst> it is annoying that you have to check for both 11:02:09 <|amethyst> which is why I was suggesting a no_poly_to(monster_type) function 11:02:10 <|amethyst> though 11:02:17 <|amethyst> perhaps the name (and the name of the flag) is wrong 11:02:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:46 <|amethyst> because, besides polymorph, the flag is checked for _choose_random_monster_corpse and _get_zotdef_monster 11:05:42 <|amethyst> (and polymorph checks several other flags too) 11:05:42 does polymorph check M_CANT_SPAWN :P 11:05:42 <|amethyst> it does 11:05:42 <|amethyst> using two calls and || rather than one call and | 11:05:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:05:46 <|amethyst> !source mon-poly.cc:123 11:05:46 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-poly.cc;hb=HEAD#l123 11:06:31 wow, is that a hangedman comment 11:06:40 a few lines earlier 11:07:06 <|amethyst> %git 9d55891f 11:07:11 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-642-g9d55891: Lower base draconian chances in polymorph 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d55891f1c6f 11:07:32 heh 11:11:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:14:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:28 So does anyone know if it's intended for allies knocked into a wall by fan of gales to go hostile? 11:14:51 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:29 So long as fan of gales deals collision damage: yes. 11:15:29 PleasingFungus: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:15:56 !tell somebody Please feel free to post your ideas on GDD. 11:15:57 TBH i liked minmay's suggestion to just not make allies go hostile 11:15:57 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let somebody know. 11:16:11 wheals: kind of a big s(g)d buff, eh? 11:16:20 you know what i mean 11:16:26 no, I'm serious 11:16:45 ok, not go hostile beacuse of damage caused by the player 11:16:52 if allies don't go hostile when you attack then, you're encouraged to just kill your s(g)d pals manually, before they betray you 11:16:59 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:17:10 it's very dumb 11:17:16 sounds like a waste of time to be honest 11:17:27 it wouldn't be a waste of time 11:17:32 you'd hit them once, they'd poof 11:17:40 as opposed to casting abjure/aura 11:17:49 s(g)d? 11:17:56 <|amethyst> AreBrandon: summon (greater) demon 11:18:00 mm 11:18:01 dang, you're fast 11:18:23 fast? 11:18:31 I was typing out that response 11:18:37 but i was only halfway through when |amethyst got it 11:19:10 Should probably add a prompt that it could harm allies then. Though the evokables are already kinda bad at that 11:19:22 tbh I think it shouldn't have collision damage at all 11:19:26 also the betrayal aspect only happens with sgd 11:19:27 but v0v 11:19:27 Or that 11:19:29 not with sd 11:19:34 I thought it was on sd 11:19:36 no 11:19:37 nope 11:19:39 dang 11:19:40 pe 11:19:41 hm 11:19:43 and it only happens for t-1 11:19:45 not t-2 11:19:49 I did know that 11:19:51 so 11:19:56 I guess I don't know why I thought it would apply to 3s 11:19:58 well, sd only makes t-3/t-4 11:20:31 why doesn't the existing direct damage of the fan hurt allies? 11:20:50 there's only damage if they collide with something I think 11:20:54 the correct solution to the problem described in that thread ("we should make summons expire extra-fast when no hostiles are nearby - but what's keeping the player from doing dumb shit with attacking one of their own summons to keep the others around?") is either "make summons expire extra-fast if no hostiles *that weren't summoned [by the player?]* are around." alternately, "that is... 11:20:55 ...extremely impractical and a non-problem" 11:21:02 wheals: the existing direct damage? 11:21:23 ah, it only targets hostiles 11:21:31 PleasingFungus: I agree, I don't like crate's proposed solution 11:22:08 specifically I don't like the expireation based on los 11:22:15 oh? 11:22:45 I liked the general idea of summons expiring quickly without enemies in LOS, but I could easily have overlooked something 11:23:19 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:49 it does depend on the details of how fast we mean quickly expiring, but I can't really see any configuration of that being both a solution to the "balance problem" as well as non-annoying 11:24:31 if the expiration is instantaneous when hostiles are not in los, it'd be very annoying 11:24:49 if it's just "fast expiration" it wouldn't really solve any problem 11:25:57 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:27:01 and then there's the whole problem of you not being able to use summons if you can't see the monster, even if yours summons are sinv 11:27:03 *your 11:27:41 I don't think we can base it on the los of the monster, since making decisions based on what you think your allies can see beyond "does my allie have sinv" are pretty annoying 11:27:46 *ally 11:28:36 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3101-gbae0a89 (34) 11:29:09 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:09 The build was fixed. (webtiles-changes - 53d53ae #1090 : gammafunk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/43682766 11:29:09 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:29:19 that's because I'm a fixer, travis 11:30:31 !tell edlothiol I merged master into webtiles-changes and it seemed to go fine with minimal conflicts and looked ok in testing. Let me know if there's any problem. 11:30:31 gammafunk: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 11:33:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:33:14 I think fast expiration while enemies are not in the player's LOS would work. 11:33:29 Using the same mechanic as the summon cap, or something close. 11:34:22 if meleeing summons to have an enemy around is a problem you could make summoned monsters not count 11:34:23 i guess 11:37:00 that is what I said, yes. I'm not sure it is a problem, though. 11:37:25 gammafunk: what problems do you see with "fast summon expiration while enemies are not in the player's LOS"? 11:37:32 <|amethyst> the goal of this is to prevent, or at least not reward, proactive summoning? 11:38:01 <|amethyst> so you don't walk around with summons at all times 11:38:10 there's two types of proactive summoning, I think: keeping summon pals around at all times while exploring, and summoning guys right before a fight 11:38:31 latter sounds legit, right? 11:38:47 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:38:56 it's a little iffy but The Noise Cost probably means it's okay. 11:40:14 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:25 also, I like the wand changes. I wasn't sure how "ID on pickup" would affect things but the wasting charges makes up for it pretty well. (hasn't played much 0.16 yet) 11:42:01 fr combine rMsl and dMsl and make them into a song 11:42:14 so the drawback is noise 11:42:17 Make summons cost drain 11:42:22 mm 11:42:46 Song of Repulsion 11:42:56 !send ontoclasm Wind Wall 11:42:56 Sending Wind Wall to ontoclasm. 11:43:26 I feel like AE and EE probably need to be rethought at some point 11:43:48 also, can you cast magic while singing? 11:44:05 you can with song of slaying 11:44:12 I think 11:44:15 hm 11:44:18 Ettin reasons 11:44:55 Yes. 11:45:35 -!- cs_0x6373 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:36 <|amethyst> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC9Qh709gas#t=26s 11:51:06 -!- Schizzik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:28 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:58:29 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:01:40 PleasingFungus: under this los-expiration system, whenever a monster moves out of los or you need to reposition, you're going to want to keep any monster you can in los so your summons don't expire. 12:02:46 If you kill a monster with a summon with a lot of duration left and you know or have a strong suspicion others are nearby, in the current system you can just move to the monster on your own terms; under los-expiration you'll be strongly motivated to get some monster into los so you can get the use out of that mp 12:03:10 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:14 and then there's the whole issue of how do you deal with invisible monsters when your allies could hit them perfectly well 12:03:39 you can't just let your summons not expire when a monster is in view and you can't see it, since it's a weird information leak 12:04:29 the whole thing just seems like it would introduce a lot of unfun management and not really solve any problem particularly well 12:05:43 that all came up in the context of half-xp for kills, which many don't like, but that system does put a nice balance on summons without being too much onus on the player in terms of gameplay on a turn-by-turn basis 12:07:53 if the expiration based on los were not particularly agressive and the issue with invisible monsters were somehow addressed, then it wouldn't be too terrible in practice, but it also would solve the "balance problem" even less well imo 12:07:56 <|amethyst> to me, the problem with keeping summons around while travelling isn't that it's overpowered, but that it's tedious to do 12:08:08 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:08:17 then I assume you just don't do it? 12:08:34 well it has a noticeable benefit compared to not doing it 12:08:37 <|amethyst> right 12:08:38 and it's tedious to do 12:08:41 <|amethyst> tedium with a benefit 12:08:43 <|amethyst> that's the problem 12:08:44 <|amethyst> but 12:08:53 these two things combined are pretty textbook for "things crawl tries to avoid" :P 12:09:10 <|amethyst> making the normal use of summons more tedious doesn't seem like a better solution 12:09:21 not that i'm necessarily in favour of whatever this other change is, yeah 12:09:37 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09:38 <|amethyst> you now want to try to have two enemies in LOS at all times, instead of one 12:10:10 <|amethyst> (if you have a summon active) 12:11:48 I move around with summons active and don't really mind it too much tbh; a single powerful or two fairly powerful ones with good duration and it's not too bothersome. But I'm doing manual exploration a lot here 12:11:56 I mean the exact same problem exists with allies 12:12:00 er permanent allies 12:12:21 <|amethyst> you don't have to stop to recast permanent allies 12:13:59 <|amethyst> if this solution does work, though, it seems like it would work for charms too 12:14:06 yeah, the recasting doesn't seem particularly bad to me. Maybe if summons with enemies not in los somehow took continuous mp over the duration or that was how they always work 12:14:10 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:14:20 <|amethyst> gg 12:14:25 <|amethyst> err 12:14:27 everything is like dragon's call 12:15:43 I think you'd probably have to rethink how summons spells worked in general, not that this is impossible to do 12:19:32 <|amethyst> oh, unrelated, I have bad news 12:19:37 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:38 <|amethyst> !lg * s=cv / won o=% 12:19:42 24000/3822147 games for *: 2077/158956x 0.16-a [1.31%], 1051/89914x 0.11-a [1.17%], 1535/164238x 0.15 [0.93%], 2130/263219x 0.15-a [0.81%], 888/112205x 0.12 [0.79%], 1057/138201x 0.14 [0.76%], 1454/206044x 0.12-a [0.71%], 348/49347x 0.9-a [0.71%], 551/78899x 0.10-a [0.70%], 933/139499x 0.13 [0.67%], 1627/260896x 0.13-a [0.62%], 2200/366498x 0.14-a [0.60%], 1411/242791x 0.10 [0.58%], 582/101626x 0.... 12:19:57 <|amethyst> 0.16 trunk seems like the easiest version ever 12:20:07 <|amethyst> or maybe the players is learning 12:21:47 !blame no item destruction 12:21:47 I pronounce no item destruction... Guilty! 12:21:57 but I think it's more fun without it 12:22:24 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:22:30 if I ever find out which dev removed item dest, that guy is going down 12:24:17 hm, that is a pretty substantial winrate increase over 0.15-a 12:24:49 what have you more active devs been doing in 0.16-a?? :P 12:25:01 when was item destruction removed? 12:25:04 0.15 12:25:12 yeah, that's what i thought 12:25:24 so there was item destruction for some part of 0.15-a 12:25:24 so what has happened since then that would have this big of an effect 12:25:36 %git :/Destroy item 12:25:39 07gammafunk02 * 0.15-a0-1116-g4412034: Destroy item destruction 10(7 months ago, 14 files, 32+ 260-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4412034ca0e5 12:25:39 but still I don't believe that would have had this big of an effect 12:25:46 since compare 0.15 and 0.14 numbers 12:25:51 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:55 <|amethyst> !lg * !t s=cv / won o=% 12:26:08 23008/3758119 games for * (!t): 2077/158963x 0.16-a [1.31%], 1051/89914x 0.11-a [1.17%], 2130/263219x 0.15-a [0.81%], 888/112205x 0.12 [0.79%], 1057/138201x 0.14 [0.76%], 1454/206044x 0.12-a [0.71%], 348/49347x 0.9-a [0.71%], 551/78899x 0.10-a [0.70%], 933/139499x 0.13 [0.67%], 1627/260896x 0.13-a [0.62%], 2200/366498x 0.14-a [0.60%], 1411/242791x 0.10 [0.58%], 582/101626x 0.8-a [0.57%], 543/10020... 12:26:09 tourney stats showed an uptick in wins for 0.15 12:26:33 |amethyst: that only removes the most recent tourney, fyi 12:26:35 oh 12:26:36 hmm 12:26:41 !kw tall 12:26:41 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.15 !t / won 12:26:41 Keyword: tall => ((t0.4||t0.5||t0.7||t0.8||t0.9||t0.10||t0.11||t0.12||t0.13||t0.14||t0.15)) 12:26:43 543/100205 games for * (0.15 !t): N=543/100205 (0.54%) 12:27:00 !lg * !tall !boring s=cv / won o=% 12:27:31 those || in queries really slow sequell down, I've noticed 12:27:45 maybe I should have added recent 12:27:52 or something 12:28:01 Time limit of 60s exceeded 12:28:09 rip 12:28:19 !lg * !tall !boring cv>=0.13 s=cv / won o=% 12:28:29 not sure that will actually be faster 12:28:39 yeah it's the use of all those || 12:28:52 !lg * short 12:28:56 !lg * !t0.15 !t0.14 !t0.13 !boring cv>=0.13 s=cv / won o=% 12:28:56 <_< 12:29:03 !kw short 12:29:03 Keyword: short => dur<1 12:29:06 doh 12:29:08 dang 12:29:12 someone already thought of that 12:29:39 7594/927453 games for * (!tall !boring cv>=0.13): 2077/140145x 0.16-a [1.48%], 2130/231914x 0.15-a [0.92%], 2200/323457x 0.14-a [0.68%], 543/91422x 0.15 [0.59%], 314/67714x 0.14 [0.46%], 330/72801x 0.13 [0.45%] 12:29:39 7393. Zermako the Shield-Bearer (L1 TrFi), got out of the dungeon alive on 2014-06-03 17:44:42, with 0 points after 1 turn and 0:00:00. 12:29:52 7594/927453 games for * (!t0.15 !t0.14 !t0.13 !boring cv>=0.13): 2077/140145x 0.16-a [1.48%], 2130/231914x 0.15-a [0.92%], 2200/323457x 0.14-a [0.68%], 543/91422x 0.15 [0.59%], 314/67714x 0.14 [0.46%], 330/72801x 0.13 [0.45%] 12:30:41 interesting, I'm guessing the -a versions just get a lot more play online compared to the stable ones 12:30:53 er, I don't have to guess 12:30:59 it's right there 12:31:34 0.16-a vs 0.15 isn't really that much more play, but yes 12:31:46 more relevantly, veteran players are more likely to play trunk 12:31:53 so -a winrates are always much higher 12:32:02 but that still doesn't really explain 0.16-a being so high 12:33:39 the brand-id for monster-wielded weapons change was pretty recent, what were the other big 0.16-a changes? 12:34:02 big changes that might systematically increase winrate, I mean 12:34:09 ??changelog 12:34:10 changelog[1/3]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt - often incomplete and/or out of date, see {changelog[3]} for an exhaustive list of changes. 12:34:32 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:53 DK was removed, which means less early-game yred wrath... 12:34:56 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:02 heh 12:35:18 !kw cspecies 12:35:18 No keyword 'cspecies' 12:35:30 !lg * cv=0.16-a s=cspecies 12:35:31 Unknown field: cspecies 12:35:34 crace 12:35:35 !lg * cv=0.16-a s=species 12:35:35 158975 games for * (cv=0.16-a): 19085x Demonspawn, 11653x Vine Stalker, 11237x Octopode, 10508x Gargoyle, 10103x Minotaur, 9589x Deep Elf, 7880x Formicid, 6447x Mummy, 6036x Merfolk, 5293x Hill Orc, 5021x Spriggan, 5018x High Elf, 4635x Ogre, 4617x Human, 4609x Draconian, 4602x Troll, 4208x Vampire, 4136x Demigod, 4100x Tengu, 3566x Naga, 3213x Felid, 2708x Kobold, 2593x Centaur, 2532x Deep Dwarf,... 12:35:37 ah thanks 12:35:47 !lg * cv=0.16-a s=crace 12:35:48 158976 games for * (cv=0.16-a): 19085x Demonspawn, 11653x Vine Stalker, 11237x Octopode, 10508x Gargoyle, 10103x Minotaur, 9589x Deep Elf, 7880x Formicid, 6654x Draconian, 6447x Mummy, 6036x Merfolk, 5293x Hill Orc, 5021x Spriggan, 5019x High Elf, 4635x Ogre, 4617x Human, 4602x Troll, 4208x Vampire, 4136x Demigod, 4100x Tengu, 3566x Naga, 3213x Felid, 2708x Kobold, 2593x Centaur, 2532x Deep Dwarf,... 12:35:52 !lg * cv=0.15-a s=crace 12:35:53 263219 games for * (cv=0.15-a): 34113x Demonspawn, 18986x Gargoyle, 18409x Minotaur, 16709x Draconian, 16522x Octopode, 15534x Deep Elf, 12920x Vine Stalker, 11880x Formicid, 9733x High Elf, 9459x Spriggan, 8918x Merfolk, 8888x Hill Orc, 8412x Ogre, 8136x Tengu, 7567x Mummy, 7412x Vampire, 6803x Troll, 6638x Human, 5793x Kobold, 5398x Naga, 4333x Felid, 4072x Demigod, 3987x Centaur, 3648x Deep Dwa... 12:36:58 my winrate has been *terrible* for 0.16-a. probably all other evidence is a coincidence 12:37:25 well mine is superlative, like it has been for all versions, so we cancel each other out 12:37:39 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:37:54 hrm, can I do a query to show the numbers by race as a % of games played? 12:38:09 !lg * cv=0.16-a !boring s=crace% 12:38:10 140151 games for * (cv=0.16-a !boring): 14693x Demonspawn (10.48%), 10782x Vine Stalker (7.69%), 10426x Octopode (7.44%), 9387x Gargoyle (6.70%), 9294x Minotaur (6.63%), 8802x Deep Elf (6.28%), 7110x Formicid (5.07%), 6028x Draconian (4.30%), 5838x Mummy (4.17%), 5606x Merfolk (4.00%), 4715x Hill Orc (3.36%), 4572x Spriggan (3.26%), 4346x High Elf (3.10%), 4237x Ogre (3.02%), 4181x Troll (2.98%), ... 12:38:15 ...wow 12:38:21 did not know about key% 12:38:31 !lg * cv=0.16-a !boring s=crace -graph:pie 12:38:33 140152 games for * (cv=0.16-a !boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/1e43a5ca184e6adf57a2ac87ed2d409784090917.html 12:39:01 !lg * cv=0.15-a !boring s=crace -graph:pie 12:39:05 !lg * cv=0.15-a !boring s=crace -graph:pie 12:39:06 231914 games for * (cv=0.15-a !boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/47bff3afc2cd70990b5ac6870b857f5cb642b97c.html 12:39:09 gammafunk: reading through your earlier messages. I am not convinced that 'being strongly motivated to move to nearby monsters while you have summons active' is a problem. invisible monsters are potentially a problem; we could legitimately just say "summoners get fucked by invisible enemies if they don't have sinv", but that is a little bit rude. 12:39:11 idk. 12:40:07 oh 12:40:09 hm 12:40:20 PleasingFungus: I think it's a problem with an aggressive expiration based on los; it's going to make summons more fussy precisely when they're supposed to be interesting, which is when you're actually fighting monsters 12:40:29 !lg * s=cv op / won o=% 12:40:30 <|amethyst> what about hysteresis? 12:40:31