00:04:27 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:59 -!- glamas has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:09:51 -!- caricature has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:11:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: something like 17872 functions (12322 of which have a prototype), 443 classes, 274 structs, 7292 member variables, 339 enums, 14348 enumerators, 467 typedefs, 8 unions, 2405 #defines, and 1070 global or file-scope variables 00:11:50 "SomeoneAwful: fr: rename apocalypse crabs apocalobsters" 00:12:42 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:13:08 Grunt: ! 00:13:13 |amethyst: neat 00:13:29 hm 00:13:33 ??gitstats[1 00:13:33 gitstats[1/3]: http://www.ohloh.net/p/stonesoup 00:13:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3039-gce6702b (34) 00:13:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, that 8 union is apparently only top-level unions, and mostly in lex/yacc stuff 00:13:57 what did you run? 00:14:57 oh, I just realized I ruined my own plans with that refactor 00:14:59 Oops 00:15:34 dang. 00:15:48 (fr update gitstats) 00:16:27 oh 00:16:48 it's more up to date than I remembered :) 00:17:32 haha 00:21:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: grep -F -e '.cc' -e '.h' tags | grep -vF -e android-project | awk -F'\t' '{ for(i = 4; i <= NF; i++) { if (length($i) == 1) { print $i; break } } }' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n 00:21:56 dang 00:22:37 <|amethyst> then use the table 'kind' here: http://ctags.sourceforge.net/FORMAT 00:23:53 <|amethyst> to know what that list of one letter codes means 00:24:40 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:24:46 <|amethyst> you might need to add several options to ctags-exuberant to get all the kinds to work 00:25:17 <|amethyst> I use --c++-kinds=+p --fields=+iaS --extra=+q but I don't remember what most of that does 00:25:57 hm 00:26:47 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:26:54 I'm getting a weird compile error with random_choose_weighted 00:27:05 I'm trying to pass in a vector> 00:27:18 ...wait, do I need to add a space between the >s 00:27:41 no ok that doesn't seem to be it. 00:27:51 ./random-weight.h:14:4: note: candidate template ignored: substitution failure [with T = monster_type] 00:27:53 T* random_choose_weighted(vector >& choices) 00:28:01 |amethyst: any idea what's going on here ^ ? 00:31:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: what's the line of your code? 00:33:20 <|amethyst> (the call to random_choose_weighted I mean) 00:33:54 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:54 <|amethyst> in particular, are you passing it a const vector? 00:34:04 <|amethyst> because it doesn't take those for some reason 00:34:08 <|amethyst> that could be fixed 00:34:44 monster_type *type = random_choose_weighted(spec->minor_summons); 00:34:59 where minor_summons is 00:35:01 vector> minor_summons; 00:35:07 <|amethyst> is spec const here? 00:35:15 <|amethyst> this a const memeber function for example 00:35:17 oh 00:35:17 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:35:24 const hell_effect_spec *spec 00:35:26 I forgot i did that 00:35:31 <|amethyst> let me make this better 00:35:47 <|amethyst> ooh 00:35:54 ! 00:40:30 oh 00:40:32 how do we not have a unique named Bruce 00:40:35 there's a crash bug in trunk right now 00:40:37 oops 00:41:39 &versions 00:42:23 CAO: 0.16-a0-3013-g143f624, CBRO: 0.16-a0-3011-g26c730b, CDO: 0.16-a0-3008-g8433e14, CKR: 0.16-a0-3068-g516f7df, CLAN: 0.16-a0-3029-g57b17b4, CPO: 0.16-a0-3029-g57b17b4, CSZO: 0.16-a0-3039-gce6702b, CXC: 0.16-a0-3036-ga61b72e, LLD: 0.16-a0-1936-g7f7f679 00:43:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3040-g69d7813: Fix a hell effect crash 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=69d78139dc74 00:43:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3041-gb38e1a0: Tweak hell rat description 10(24 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b38e1a0f9d47 00:43:55 agh, terrible timing on the cszo build 00:44:29 g - 1089 gold the amulet of the Hero {Faith rF+ rC+ Slay+4} 00:44:56 good bug 00:44:58 I'll fix it shortly 00:45:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3041-gb38e1a0 (34) 00:45:20 beat me to it 00:45:32 :p 00:46:31 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:31 The build was broken. (master - ce6702b #1038 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/43314820 00:46:31 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:46:45 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:54 wow, a tavern poison thread without acid spell suggestions 00:47:08 New branch created: fancyhell (1 commit) 00:47:08 03PleasingFungus02 07[fancyhell] * 0.16-a0-3042-g208aa01: Hand-pick hell effect spawns 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 37+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=208aa0101c4e 00:47:11 poison trees are the new acid poison spells 00:47:28 and alucard mist form 00:47:50 !tell gammafunk 208aa01 is what I was talking about earlier, more or less. note the lack of shard shrikes in the hell effect spawn list (though it's unfortunate I can't currently slot them into the fiend slot...) 00:47:51 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 00:48:33 f... fancy 00:48:52 fancy like a santa 00:53:34 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 00:54:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:24 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:57:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3042-g3fd268d: Make random_choose_weighted more general. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fd268d3ac3c 01:00:25 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:01:00 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: there you go 01:01:04 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:01:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it should take const vectors now (in which case it gives you a const pointer) 01:01:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: also takes maps (and gives you a const pointer) 01:02:04 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:02:09 hurray! 01:03:30 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3043-g3ee2fe1: Constify 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ee2fe14b304 01:04:56 |amethyst: thanks ^ :) 01:05:48 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I kind of want to do a not_null inline function or macro for the last three lines 01:06:24 I had a vague expectation, earlier, that dereferencing a null pointer would cause a segfault 01:06:28 but then I tested and it didn't 01:06:30 iirc 01:06:44 <|amethyst> it should 01:07:11 if it does, then can't I just return *random_choose_weighted(weights); 01:07:14 ? 01:09:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: well, an assert with a line number is somewhat better than a segfault 01:09:18 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the latter shows up on the bots as just () 01:10:14 * PleasingFungus shrugs 01:10:21 this was a fun mantis issue to close: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6298 01:10:37 heh! 01:11:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:12:39 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3041-gb38e1a0 (34) 01:12:45 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 01:18:27 -!- DrStalker has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:20:23 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:53 dereferencing a null pointer doesn't cause a segfault, it causes undefined behavior 01:24:11 which usually results in a segfault, but the compiler is allowed to do weird things if it wants 01:24:53 so asserts are a better bet 01:26:19 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:38 -!- maha_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1/20141106120505]] 01:34:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:36:44 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 01:37:15 ??travis 01:37:16 travis[1/2]: travis runs automatic builds of Crawl and its branches, ensuring that they compile properly, and running Crawl's tests on the subsequent builds to look for errors or crashes. See: https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/ 01:42:01 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:42:41 got an internal compiler error on dungeon.o 01:43:20 from inside docker, so that could be the issue 01:43:54 which compiler? 01:47:46 I think x86_64_linux-gnu-gcc. 01:48:05 but TZer0 was able to build past it with the same docker instance 01:48:19 so I'm trying again and will copy the error message this time 01:48:32 I'm on my phone so my efficiency is LOW 01:48:32 yeah, an internal compiler error is by definition a bug in the compiler 01:48:57 this seems like a thing docker should preeny 01:49:03 prevent 01:50:35 what do you mean? 01:50:36 http://pastebin.com/q7nFZZxX 01:50:39 bad paste 01:50:44 stupid phone 01:51:35 yeah, there's nothing we can do about that 01:51:52 looks like a different error too 01:51:57 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:52:57 oh it's the same one. stupid formatting is hard to read 01:53:11 and ok doy. I'm still new to docker 01:53:22 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:25 it's not a docker thing, it's a gcc thing 01:53:41 "internal compiler error" means you hit a bug in gcc somewhere 01:54:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:54:42 I'm running from inside the docker instance. so all the gcc stuff was installed for me based on the docker file. TZer0 can run it just fine 01:55:04 johnstein: still a compiler issue 01:55:11 maybe we have some weird difference here 01:55:20 give me the last line of gcc -v 01:55:32 oops 01:55:34 g++ -v 01:55:44 inside docker? 01:56:02 yeah 01:58:48 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:06:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06:20 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:25 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:57 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:13:56 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:01 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:16:32 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:45 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3043-g3ee2fe1 (34) 02:32:51 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:11 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:11 The build was fixed. 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Use !messages to read it. 08:34:43 !messages 08:34:43 (1/1) |amethyst said (11h 11m 40s ago): btw, should Fe -> En be recommended now that felid claws do tier 1 stab damage 08:34:56 vOv 08:42:00 hey wheals, I haven't been in ##crawl-dev in a while, have you heard if anyone was trying to build 0.15.2 for mac? I might try and get that working later 08:42:15 huh, are there no builds on CDO? 08:42:41 that's correct, there are no 0.15.2 builds for mac, the one offered on dcss homepage is 0.15.0 08:44:23 ElanMorin: it also displayes in local tiles; I didn't have a webtiles setup to test but I don't see immediately why it shouldn't 08:45:10 webtiles does a lot of stuff independently of the other frontends 08:47:06 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:07 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48:03 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 08:52:33 -!- Maera has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:39 ebering: I just noticed by accident because I was spectating in console and later watched a bit of the same game in webtiles. there is definitely no mood meter in webtiles. 08:52:46 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:53:54 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:55:02 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:26 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:55:46 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:38 %git :/ebtiles 08:56:39 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-2954-gc3228e8: Really fix webtiles sparkles. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3228e8babd0 08:56:45 %git :/ebtiles.*AC 08:56:45 07edlothiol02 * 0.15-b1-65-gb5480ee: Webtiles: Colour AC and weapon red when corroded (#8836). 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 17+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5480ee089c9 08:56:52 yeah 08:56:56 :( 08:56:58 see how that for example has to be duplicated 08:57:19 well I have my last lecture of the semester and then I'll kick it 09:03:04 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 09:08:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10:23 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:16:37 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:17 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3044-g717f274: Simplify cleaving check. 10(18 hours ago, 6 files, 22+ 32-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=717f2747e8f6 09:18:17 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3045-g165986a: Bring back the Sulking Sword. 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=165986a94ec9 09:18:17 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3046-gdd79bc7: New unrand - Gyre and Gimble (argonaut). 10(15 minutes ago, 7 files, 43+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd79bc7edecb 09:18:30 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:06 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20:00 huzzah! 09:20:08 !learn add lasty_to_do It seems that the Wulndraste build causes a segfault on going down the stairs. I have the crash log and save but the crash log doesn't say much besides segfault and it happens consistently anyway. It also crashes going up the stairs on all upstairs except D:2->D:1 09:20:09 lasty to do[4/4]: It seems that the Wulndraste build causes a segfault on going down the stairs. I have the crash log and save but the crash log doesn't say much besides segfault and it happens consistently anyway. It also crashes going up the stairs on all upstairs except D:2->D:1 09:20:57 the sulking/screaming sword renames had been broken for two months 09:21:01 and nobody noticed :( 09:21:39 I was wondering about it -- I was wielding the singing sword for a while on a recent character and couldn't figure out how to get it to scream :p 09:21:52 under what circumstances does it sulk? 09:22:00 when silenced 09:22:27 wheals: good catch then! I guess it just doesn't occur very often... 09:22:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:23:37 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:24:56 wheals: What do you think about gyre and gimble getting two brands? 09:25:20 !learn add gyre_and_gimble (short blades; +6 acc / 5 dam / 0.7 base delay / 0.3 min delay)x2 Two attached quick blades; essentially gives you a double-attack every time you swing them. 09:25:20 gyre and gimble[1/1]: (short blades; +6 acc / 5 dam / 0.7 base delay / 0.3 min delay)x2 Two attached quick blades; essentially gives you a double-attack every time you swing them. 09:25:29 !learn add swordchucks see {gyre and gimble} 09:25:30 swordchucks[1/1]: see {gyre and gimble} 09:25:55 reaverb: it sounds like it would be fairly hard to convey to the player 09:25:56 wheals: does it actually print two attack messages on each swing? 09:26:00 yes 09:26:01 Ohh, that's a nice tile. 09:26:07 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:26:08 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:26:16 it reuses the cleaving code to actually make two attacks 09:26:20 wheals: wow, quickblades just got spammier! 09:26:23 :) 09:26:30 (don't tell dpeg that i just added dual-wielding!) 09:26:37 I can print 6 attack messages per opponent action! 09:26:54 wheals: Hmm, I'd think adding it the description would communicate that fine. 09:27:16 !seen people who read descriptions 09:27:17 Sorry wheals, I haven't seen people. 09:27:21 !seen people_who_read_descriptions 09:27:21 Sorry wheals, I haven't seen people_who_read_descriptions. 09:27:32 :P 09:29:25 firestarter, for ex, has a "innter flame" brand and uses only the description to convey that >_> 09:29:44 And these could have a {brand1, brand2} inscription. 09:30:01 but what brands though 09:30:22 flame and freezing? draining and holy wrath? distortion and venom? 09:30:36 *electrocution 09:30:51 wheals: YOU HAVE OPENED THE GATES TO HELL!!! 09:31:16 An unrand appears! You don't feel so good about this. 09:31:38 dual wielding today, shops buying tomorrow, save points by the weekend! 09:33:55 -!- imantor has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:34:54 you already can sell items though via gozag wrath 09:34:55 :v 09:36:14 Gozag wrath only effects items you haven't picked up before now. It might be worth removing the curse of Midas effect, I noticed when writing the Gozag description there are a lot of wrath effects (Although that's partially my fault) 09:37:13 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:16 dpeg: On Gozag, do you remember the original reasoning behind Gozag increasing ability costs when you use them? The furtherest back I've traced it is the design doc on the wiki. 09:38:24 reaverb: oh no, not Midas :( 09:39:19 reaverb: on ability costs: I thought an increase is necessary, to make sure players can use powers early enough, without spamming them later. You think it's not necessary? 09:39:46 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:03 dpeg: Hmm, it just occured to me I should probably look at what Sequell says >_> 09:41:18 !lg * Gozag x=gold 09:41:19 3336. [gold=232] Freenator the Skirmisher (L10 GhFi of Gozag), quit the game on D:8 on 2014-12-08 07:33:38, with 4228 points after 8583 turns and 0:44:23. 09:41:24 !lg * Gozag x=avg(gold) 09:41:25 3336 games for * (Gozag): avg(gold)=1157.23 09:41:29 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:41:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:41:36 !lg * Lair:1 Gozag x=avg(gold) 09:41:37 100 games for * (Lair:1 Gozag): avg(gold)=797.61 09:41:42 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:44 !lg * Depths:1 Gozag x=avg(gold) 09:41:45 15 games for * (Depths:1 Gozag): avg(gold)=3309.73 09:42:09 !lg * Zot:1 Gozag x=avg(gold) 09:42:09 No games for * (Zot:1 Gozag). 09:42:22 !lg * Snake:5 Gozag x=avg(gold) 09:42:22 12 games for * (Snake:5 Gozag): avg(gold)=4112.5 09:42:40 !lg * Lair:8 Gozag x=avg(gold) 09:42:41 32 games for * (Lair:8 Gozag): avg(gold)=2679.19 09:42:57 reaverb: with my first Xom win finallu cashed in, I'll play more Gozag in the Xmas break. 09:43:01 Has anyone else tried out Wulndraste? If so, have you run across the same issues as AreBrandon? 09:43:33 !lg devteamnp won xom s=name 09:43:33 59 games for devteamnp (won xom): 39x 78291, 3x MarvinPA, 3x sorear, 2x SGrunt, 2x rob, 2x elliptic, PleasingFungus, ontoclasm, Medar, Lasty, itsmu, erisdiscordia, dpeg, wheals 09:43:39 Lasty_: no, not yet (this is a very busy term for me...). The name sounds so Germanic, for some reason which I cannot make precise. 09:43:58 !lg dpeg xom 09:43:59 73. dpeg the Wrestler (L27 DsCK of Xom), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-12-02 17:40:34, with 1392913 points after 113109 turns and 7:18:04. 09:44:03 Hmm, I feel it would be better to change the amount of gold corpses spawn then raise the prices, it's a ... less visible change? Not really a big deal either way. 09:44:06 dpeg: grats! 09:44:15 \o/ 09:44:39 reaverb: but income is going up in a game anyway... 09:45:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:45:24 the cost increase is at least transparent (and if we think that mechanic should be changed, it's possible in the open, i.e. post-release, imo... it's a bit like changing piety gain for other gods). 09:45:50 Isn't Gozag gold around 3/4ths of Gozagite income? I think there would be the range. 09:46:28 is it? 09:46:28 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:47:40 !tell ElanMorin probably webtiles has its own implementation of the piety meter - I'll look into it. 09:47:42 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let elanmorin know. 09:47:42 reaverb: okay, so my full reasoning was (this is from memory, it's been quite a while :)... (1) Gozagites should have noticeably more gold than non-Gozagites (so they can, in principle, buy anything the dungeon shops throw at them, and also to make them feel rich), (2) costs should increase for better decision making (and this also has a flavour component: rudimentary market mechanics). 09:48:36 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:03 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:32 dpeg: Grunt came up with the name, but I agree that it sounds Germanic 09:50:17 it was not meant as a complaint, just an observation 09:50:31 guess Grunt has a somewhat domesticated mammal at the ready? 09:51:46 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:52:37 ? 09:53:39 !tell wheals 717f2747e8f6 is broken 09:53:39 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 09:53:57 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:11 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:54:17 PleasingFungus: regarding the piety meter: ebering already caught attention. I think he wanted to look into it as well 09:54:17 ElanMorin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:54:25 I'm still holding out for Wryhcdzheimz 09:54:58 dpeg: Hmm, didn't consider the decisions making bit (although that means I didn't notice it in my Gozag games...). I'd probably have tried tweaking the gold income first, but now it seems like a major change for little gain. 09:55:06 i could have sworn i checked it with both a non-axe and an axe 09:55:08 and it worked 09:55:35 PleasingFungus: What's broken about it? 09:55:54 monsters with aux attacks (e.g. green draconians), when armed with axes, cleave with their aux attacks. 09:55:56 I just tested to be sure. 09:56:12 oh 09:56:14 i see... 09:56:36 will fix 09:56:42 aight 09:56:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm... is it that the auxes cleave, or you get auxes on cleaving attacks? 09:56:58 <|amethyst> I guess you could tell the difference by the order maybe? 09:57:00 no, the auxes cleaving makes sense 09:57:05 based on the code 09:58:17 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00:27 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:16 reaverb: in my G games, preferring one power over the others was noticeable... 10:01:40 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:02:36 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:02:47 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:52 dpeg: Hmm, Maybe I haven't played Gozag enough. 10:03:04 !won reaverb Gozag 10:03:04 reaverb (Gozag) has not won in 1 games. 10:03:23 !lg reaverb Gozag 10:03:24 1. reaver the Spry (L17 SpEn of Gozag), blasted by a shock serpent (bolt of electricity) on Snake:2 on 2014-05-14 02:27:59, with 182732 points after 75908 turns and 6:19:01. 10:03:32 .....surprised it's that low, I thought I had more. 10:03:51 Althought L17 is a long game for me >_> 10:03:59 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 10:04:07 Hunters that pick throwing weapons to start do not get any and throwing skill set to 0. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9310 by agentgt 10:04:19 reaverb: did you duplicate something? :) 10:04:31 dpeg: I don't /think/ so? Maybe. 10:05:05 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:07 I always ask, because that decision is so hard for me. In my winning game, I duplicated a single !HW, after three runes (for a trove!!!). 10:06:20 Wow that bug is good, wonder how Hunters god broken. (Maybe it's that remove racial background items thing) 10:06:36 i think so 10:07:17 wheals: Are you going to fix it or should I give it a go? 10:08:24 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:08:47 i suspect it was because of removing _update_weapon(ng); in 86d58f692e81e 10:09:02 try adding that back in and see if it fixes stuff 10:11:22 it would help if newgame code weren't so awful 10:12:04 wheals: 90%+ sure that was it. 10:12:10 But yeah, newgame code is bad :D 10:12:39 counterpoint: all code is beautiful. 10:12:53 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13:19 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:42 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:16:08 Okay, who's pretending to be PleasingFungus? 10:16:37 reaverb: are you going to commit the fix or should i? 10:16:58 wheals: Did you test the fix? If so, yeah commit it. 10:17:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:17:05 My computer is old and still compiling. 10:17:06 not yet 10:17:15 I'll commit it after I test if you want. 10:17:21 so is mine, it was compiling for the fix that PleasingFungus asked about :D 10:17:27 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:41 though this wouldn't touch any headers so it should be fast 10:17:55 -!- Lightli_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:18:01 I was on a branch and don't have any special things to help with that so this is a full rebuild >_> 10:18:11 Need to set up a secondary clone. 10:21:42 huh, AK starts with exactly 38 piety 10:21:55 ??? 10:22:17 Best time the change it since lugonu corpse sacrifices are going to be remove soon <_< 10:22:18 !source ng-setup.cc:629 10:22:18 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ng-setup.cc;hb=HEAD#l629 10:22:37 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 10:22:38 They get extra piety because they need to have the ability to use Escape from the Abyss. 10:23:22 i just thought it was a funny number :) 10:23:41 Should obvously make it 27 for most zealots 10:23:51 I do wonder why it isn't 35 or 40 10:25:16 <|amethyst> if it were 40, using it wouldn't always leave you at 0* 10:25:46 Ah. 10:25:46 <|amethyst> piety for exit abyss is 10 + random2(6), so 10-15 10:25:54 could use a comment or something. 10:26:03 <|amethyst> I guess 35 is to punish the player less for exploring 10:26:04 -!- grisamentum has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:14 could use a total rewrite :( 10:26:15 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:17 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:26:23 <|amethyst> so your piety doesn't decay below 30 while you're in the abyss 10:26:40 <|amethyst> err, 38 instead of 35 I mean 10:26:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:27:38 is CAO lagging or is it me? 10:27:53 I especially like how ever job generates a shortsword for the main weapon first, and then it gets change by _update_weapon 10:28:39 reaverb: i added the line back but now i get a segfault when starting an oghu 10:28:39 <|amethyst> grisamentum: oh 10:28:42 do you? 10:28:52 <|amethyst> rax: there are disk errors on CAO 10:29:37 wheals: No, I don't. 10:29:47 <|amethyst> rax: dmesg shows some errors like: end_request: I/O error, dev xvda5, sector 0 EXT2-fs (xvda5): previous I/O error to superblock detected JBD: I/O error detected when updating journal superblock for xvda4. 10:29:58 ok, wtf... 10:30:07 crawl, crusher of disks 10:30:25 ok, it's happening whenever i start any hunter... 10:30:31 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:48 where did you add the line? 10:30:49 ...and now it's gone 10:31:20 newgame_make_item(0, EQ_WEAPON, OBJ_WEAPONS, WPN_SHORT_SWORD); 10:31:20 + _update_weapon(ng); 10:31:30 Yeah, me too. 10:31:35 might be nothing 10:31:39 since it just went away 10:31:50 Yeah, I think I'll push the fix now. 10:31:50 and it's back :/ 10:32:01 fr: stack traces on windows 10:32:16 SamB is suppose to be working on that!!! 10:32:28 and johnny0 10:32:35 <|amethyst> too many johns 10:32:46 johnnyb0jacques 10:32:48 <|amethyst> I was going to say "wasn't john.stein working on that?" 10:32:49 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:32:59 johl.stei? 10:33:08 <|amethyst> wheals2 10:33:17 !seen whales 10:33:17 I last saw Whales at Sat Jul 12 05:54:26 2014 UTC (21w 2d 10h 38m 51s ago) parting ##crawl, saying 'chanpart'. 10:34:02 I'm really confused how this could cause a segfault, particularly when this line was in Crawl for a long time before being recently removed. 10:34:05 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:34:07 an interesting thing with windows stack traces via the dbghelp api is that functions which aren't exported get resolved to the closest available symbol 10:34:12 wheals: Sure that only the Hunter change is in that build? 10:34:13 versus just a ?? 10:34:26 <|amethyst> also, if gammafunk spins up that BSD VM we can maybe try out stack traces on BSD 10:34:29 also another change, but it's not relevant here 10:34:41 johnny0: is that good or bad? 10:34:47 you know it can't cause a segfault? 10:35:01 <|amethyst> I *think* the stuff we do on OS X should work on Free and probably Open with just one extra -l 10:35:11 it's the fix for cleaving, so it's only called during a melee attack 10:35:29 wheals: good if you have access to the same exact build + debugging symbols + addr2line and know that the symbols may not line up correctly 10:35:40 wheals: Sure. 10:36:06 wheals: pretty bad otherwise, since you might waste time looking at a function which wasn't actually called 10:36:22 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3047-g7a949a4: Fix cleaving with attacks after the first (PleasingFungus). 10(16 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a949a48fc8e 10:36:37 reaverb, ^ 10:36:53 Ah. 10:36:54 wheals: I have to go, you can decide if you want to push the --Hu fix. 10:37:03 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:38:58 well 10:39:08 looks like it crashes without the fix too :/ 10:40:04 i think i'll just push it for now 10:40:51 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:41:00 -!- Schizzik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:41:48 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:07 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3048-ga57d61f: Fix hunter equipment (#9310). 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a57d61ff2b7e 10:43:53 ??rebuild 10:43:53 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 10:44:12 can someone rebuild cbro for agentgt? 10:44:21 having some trouble connecting to it 10:45:13 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:45:59 <|amethyst> on it 10:47:06 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:18 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:18 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 10:52:41 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:56:51 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3048-ga57d61f (34) 10:58:26 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3048-ga57d61f (34) 11:00:48 "Project stone_soup-0.15.2/source/Crawl.xcodeproj cannot be opened because the project file cannot be parsed." >.> 11:02:49 My guess would be that during a recent file removal from the source, they removed a reference to that file from all the projects (make, msvc, xcodeproj) but didn't remove the line properly from the xcodeproj, and broke it. 11:05:22 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:05:28 afaik nobody maintains the xcodeproj 11:08:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:12 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:50 os x builds are normally done using make and the mac-app-{console,tiles} targets 11:11:23 %git dc91ade 11:11:23 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-275-gdc91ade: A skeleton ranged_attack class, derived from attack. 10(8 months ago, 6 files, 117+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc91ade0243a 11:11:30 Seems to have added a duplicate ray.cc entry. 11:12:18 See line 601-603 11:12:27 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:12:39 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:15:28 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:19:43 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:00 The xcodeproj included in %git b6246c9 successfully parses in xcode, so I guess I'll work off that one. 11:23:48 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:24:15 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:33 as a person who uses xcode as a code editor, it would probably be noble & virtuous of me to get the xcodeproj working at some point. 11:25:17 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3048-ga57d61f (34) 11:25:26 I did that sometime but only for the ascii version 11:25:36 I subsequently gave up and lost my progress 11:26:22 oops 11:26:27 %git b6246c9 11:26:28 07neunon02 * 0.10-a0-2509-gb6246c9: Xcode: add zlib to linker for Crawl-cmd and Crawl Tiles 10(3 years ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6246c93d48d 11:26:32 wow 11:27:11 PleasingFungus, just cleaning it up to actually open, to work with the latest SDK and to have an up-to-date list of files is easy, the nasty part is the build stages for various generated files that we have 11:27:27 and, well, tiles build is also nasty, but I've never done that outside xcode either 11:28:00 tbh just the first part is nice and good 11:28:44 PleasingFungus, I'd really just remove it and recreate it from scratch, carefully 11:28:51 hm 11:29:25 That doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. 11:29:53 !source Crawl.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj 11:29:53 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/Crawl.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj;hb=HEAD 11:30:02 ^ are we talking about this thing? 11:30:07 yah 11:30:16 yes 11:31:30 the large number of hashes make this look like it was machine-generated at some point? 11:31:55 it's actually not human-editable at all 11:32:36 neat 11:33:26 heh, googling "xcodeproj" just gets results for a ruby library that edits xcodeproj files 11:33:29 I don't know an IDE project file format that is 11:33:39 what do you want to do with it? 11:33:52 Crawl.xcodeproj 11:34:25 I was looking to see if I could find a readme on "creating/editing xcode project files" - I assume this is something you do through xcode itself, somehow 11:34:30 yes 11:34:37 I'm tempted to throw tilegen as its own xcodeproj, to spare me having to do any Xcode build target snafu. 11:34:56 snafu is a good word 11:35:09 |amethyst: well fuck 11:35:11 looking into it 11:35:45 PleasingFungus, is your problem that xcode completely refuses to open the project at the moment? 11:36:13 -!- grisamentum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:36:16 haven't tried - not in a position to test right this second 11:36:27 xFleury, the always-persistent problem is that you would have to maintain it alongside the makefile, and maintaining two build systems is bad, no matter what they are 11:36:34 was just looking into it for when I get back to my dev computer 11:36:43 I've tried it, and one (or more) of those last three edits actually broke the parsing of the file. It cannot be parsed in XCode. 11:36:51 yes, you need http://sprunge.us/WZCN 11:36:56 Zaba: I think this might be a third system, actually 11:37:04 then it's merely outdated and broken, but at least opens 11:37:19 PleasingFungus, make that 'two or more' :P 11:37:23 :) 11:37:36 (I'm not sure whether msvc uses the makefile or... what it does, really) 11:37:46 It doesn't use the makefile. 11:37:57 ah 11:37:58 and xcode in particular strongly prefers to build outside the source tree, for example, so technically a proper xcode-based build system would be quite different from what the makefile does 11:38:07 If you add a new source to the makefile, you have to manually add it to MSVC also. 11:38:14 but the existing project is not that 11:39:48 xFleury: yeah I know that, I'm just not sure whether MSVC actually handles *building*, or whether it delegates that to the makefile & just needs the file list for editing/code completion/etc 11:39:52 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:41 Oh, no it builds it too. Does the compilation & linking all in the editor, using Microsoft's own VC++ compiler. 11:40:46 dang 11:42:25 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:33 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:04 IIRC, tilegen has very few shared source/header files with the main crawl project. I think it was like, just a header file. 11:43:25 I think it actually is a separate target in the existing xcode project 11:43:38 PleasingFungus: well, you can build the msvc targets from a command prompt using msbuild (i think nmake was used for older versions) 11:43:49 older versions of msvc that is 11:43:56 but it's quite possibly broken 11:44:02 like the rest of the xcode project 11:44:52 03zaba02 07* 0.16-a0-3049-g2a447e9: Make the Xcode project syntactically correct again. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a447e932c95 11:45:59 Zaba: are you adventurous 11:46:09 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:46:27 I'm afraid not; as said, I did get it to work with ascii once, but then I realized that the maintenance cost of keeping it in sync with the rest of the build system is far too high 11:46:59 I might have bothered if I were more active as a developer 11:47:33 or if it was fine to throw out all the tiles garbage out of it :P 11:47:49 because it makes it way more complex 11:49:46 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:53:37 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:28 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:24 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:59:09 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:03:16 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:03:18 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:45 an xcode project that works for console but not tiles would be objectively superior to the current one. 12:07:49 which works for neither console nor tiles. 12:08:33 well 12:08:51 PleasingFungus, I'd still recommend to just recreate it from scratch even in that case 12:08:57 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:09:15 * PleasingFungus shrugs. 12:09:21 I can take a look at it later. 12:16:25 |amethyst: can't find anything wrong with core disks, will look in more detail later 12:21:36 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:21:56 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:25 -!- somebody has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:25 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27:37 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:29:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:30:42 Extremely long duration resistance buff 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9311 by tasonir 12:33:25 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:36:16 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:15 <|amethyst> rax: thanks... I am not so great with hardware so I don't know where to look 12:42:25 <|amethyst> rax: they were mostly sector 0 I think, so maybe it's a controller issue? 12:43:22 <|amethyst> rax: or maybe the I/O timed out on the host because of load and that looked like an error to the VM? 12:43:44 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:55 <|amethyst> rax: oh... you know what... 12:45:07 <|amethyst> rax: those were from like two months ago 12:45:29 oh! that's a known issue then 12:45:57 <|amethyst> ah, good 12:46:56 <|amethyst> rax: yay, false alarm 12:47:36 <|amethyst> rax: I was looking because the ttyrec bzip2 jobs were using a lot of I/O and were in D state, but I guess that's what happens when you compress huge files :) 12:48:18 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:25 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:21 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:59:54 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 13:01:41 -!- Octell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:24 -!- Octell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:40 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:37 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:09:49 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:19 -!- Sharkman1231_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:35 would a unique formicid that had the ability to open up shafts all around it, dropping you and it down a level or two be interesting? 13:20:33 Sharkman1231_: fighting that would be really obnoxious. Fight fight fight shaft. Climb back up and fight fight shaft. 13:20:41 It would be a must-avoid. 13:20:45 I imagine it'd only do it once 13:20:58 You'd also be incentivized to drag it up as far as you could before fighting 13:21:55 ah, okay 13:22:00 can staircases be shafted? 13:22:08 seems more like you'd just drag it to a dungeon feature hten fight it on top of that 13:22:25 a la water nymphs 13:22:27 good point, Brannock 13:24:36 I didn't put much thought into it 13:25:35 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33:08 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:34:20 -!- dgu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34:29 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:34:41 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:36:20 -!- Twinge has quit [] 13:38:11 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:40:56 -!- Maera has left ##crawl-dev 13:41:17 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:44:06 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:50 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:40 -!- Devell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:57 +version 13:48:58 trunk: not found; 0.15: not found; 0.14: not found; 0.13: not found; 0.12: not found; 0.11: not found; 0.10: not found 13:49:05 +players 13:49:07 No players. 13:51:20 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:00 what's the status on the Zerker-change I saw recently? 13:53:05 Was it in master or some branch? 13:53:32 which zerker change? 13:53:53 -!- liquidsnake has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:54:23 I saw some commmit that replaced Trog-worship with an amulet of berserk rage 13:54:29 and a potion 13:54:45 that was just a random mantis ticket, and nobody on the dev team thought it was a good idea at all 13:54:48 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:54 oh 13:55:00 I must've misread 13:55:06 or misremembered or something 13:55:07 I'm tired. 13:55:37 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:55:46 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:28 I mean, it doesn't really make sense 13:56:34 defeats the purpose of having a Zealot-category 13:56:47 ??devell 13:56:47 I don't have a page labeled devell in my learndb. 13:57:09 Human corpses in Kobold vault do not rot 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9312 by XuaXua 13:58:10 I swear 13:58:15 simmarine: running TZer0's docker crawl 13:58:18 107.191.118.31:8080/#lobby 13:58:24 I will add a bit to mantis to describe how to try and look up vaults 13:58:32 note: that docker only runs git. 13:58:37 and then I will cram that infobit into every other dev's brain 13:58:43 going to move DBRO to that setup once TZer0 gives me the green light 13:59:59 theTower, tell me about the kobold vault. actually, hm, I feel like I know what that one is 14:00:04 it sounds really familiar 14:00:05 kennysheep_kobold_camp 14:00:08 o 14:00:10 I didn't know what it was 14:00:17 !vault kennysheep_kobold_camp 14:00:18 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/large_themed.des;hb=HEAD#l1573 14:00:23 also, that is properly using dgn.delayed_decay 14:00:23 !vault nrook_campfire 14:00:24 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des;hb=HEAD#l3671 14:00:41 it's possible that dgn.delayed_decay is broken 14:00:46 possibly 14:00:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:00:47 with rot changes 14:00:56 yourrrrrr faulttttttt? 14:01:02 possibly! 14:01:04 need to test 14:02:17 log reading 14:02:39 "random shit from the branch" possibly vaguely points at actually sorting out hells population lists... 14:05:21 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:06 I'm trying to run webtiles locally to test my xom piety meter change 14:06:08 and it won't load 14:06:18 ...hahahahaha 14:06:30 pleasingfungus, why does dis need ice dragons 14:08:00 even without my change 14:08:38 also, how good is gyre with blade card 14:12:32 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:18 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:16:30 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:17:31 http://sprunge.us/gjRG 14:18:13 could someone who has local webtiles working test that patch for me? 14:18:50 thinking over how cocytus gets less demons because there are less ice-themed demons and a bunch of the non-numbered demons are fire themed vaguely makes me want to reform some of them non-numbered demons into ice forms >_> 14:19:19 since I don't have any stake in webtiles I will just note that that sprunge links to a blank page (?) 14:19:31 D: 14:20:09 http://sprunge.us/jKBA 14:20:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 14:20:20 there we go 14:25:49 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:00 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:27:56 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:19 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:32:57 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:57 -!- AlphaQ_ is now known as AlphaQ 14:34:51 shard shrike demon 14:37:23 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:41:02 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:13 shard shrikes seem pretty purposefully not demonic 14:41:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:41:24 extended holiness varietyyyyyy 14:41:38 <|amethyst> Shrike golem 14:42:02 <|amethyst> because I want to use more quotes from "I Built Myself a Metal Bird" 14:42:39 caustic shrikes are already metal 14:42:41 aren't 14:42:43 yes that 14:42:43 hi hangedman 14:42:49 hi pf 14:42:55 :) 14:42:57 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:43:00 <|amethyst> oh, so it is 14:43:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: at first I thought you were making a joke :) 14:43:39 I think allowing variety in the Fiend slot would be good so that dis isn't threatening with green deaths and hell beasts 14:43:51 <|amethyst> I was thinking "Yes, they are quite metal, but I was referring to their elemental composition." 14:43:52 (alongside shrike or ice fiend) 14:44:11 yeah, could probably make that a small (unweighted?) list 14:45:40 !tell wheals Hangedman asks: what happens if you use gyre + gimble with Blade card (+cleaving?)? 14:45:40 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 14:45:46 at some point it might be worth reconsidering the general structure of hell effects 14:45:58 by which I mean 14:47:03 1/3 unthemed miscast, else 5/9 (themed miscast or greater demon), plus 1/3 chance of one or two hell spawns, plus some unknown chance of noise 14:47:23 idk if we want to do that right now, of course. 14:48:00 but it does feel very arbitrary 14:48:50 are those fractions supposed to equal 1? 14:50:10 unknown chance of noise 14:50:56 johnstein: no 14:51:10 theTower: it's based on the total combined weight of hell effect noises that start with SOUND: 14:52:14 wow 14:52:43 shouldn't that be just a split call for either rather than based on what lines were written 14:52:50 !source dat/database/miscname.txt:331 14:52:51 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/database/miscname.txt;hb=HEAD#l331 14:53:08 looks like 3 / 18 14:53:14 (so, 1/6) 14:53:21 mm 14:53:30 at the very minimum, leave a comment about that 14:53:46 note that e.g. "Die, mortal!" makes no sound, but "You hear words spoke in a strange & terrible language..." does 14:54:15 also, I very strongly suspect the SOUND messages print even when you're under silence (though I think the noise is suppressed) 14:54:58 You hear diabolical laughter (in your brain)! 14:55:01 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:10 sure, you can justify it 14:55:25 (though "A gut-wrenching scream fills the air!" is a little stranger) 14:55:25 ("You hear an indistinct dissonance whispering inside your mind.") 14:57:05 I think the morally correct thing to do here is to split noisy and non-noisy hell effect messages into separate lists, and choose between the lists in the hell effect code 14:57:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, since it can't use the SOUND channel because it's a HELL_EFFECT 14:57:19 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:57:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, that's better than sometimes not getting a hell effect message 14:58:22 that is what I tried to sayyyyyyyy 14:58:34 oh, I just meant in terms of making the weights for "making a loud noise" vs "not making a noise" explicit 14:58:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the easy thing is to do-while loop until either it's not loud, or you're not silenced 14:58:42 theTower: yes, this is an elaboration of what you were saying 14:58:44 aksjflasjdflkj 14:58:50 no that is not what i am saying at all 14:59:59 if (one_chance_in(6) && silenced(you.pos()) message = getMiscString("hell_effect_noisy"); else message = getMiscString("hell_effect_quiet"); 15:00:32 <|amethyst> && !silenced presumably 15:00:36 er 15:00:38 yes 15:00:45 sorry, I flipped the conditional on that midway through 15:00:49 <|amethyst> yeah, that would work 15:01:13 I am completely allergic to do-while loops used for filtering. They make me break out in hives. 15:01:32 hiiiiiiivessssss? 15:01:48 (not like I'm finishing anything while I'm busy with not-crawl) 15:02:23 haha 15:02:45 (actually, thinking about it, allergic reactions would be good messages for all those harmless miscast lines that are too close to each other) 15:03:35 (die, "You feel a strange surge of energy!") 15:03:46 I have a patch that implements a spreading flu complete with sneezing. 15:04:48 does it respect rC+ 15:04:59 ...and rF+ 15:06:07 The number one thing crawl needs is More Monster Ecology. 15:06:49 hermit crabs in dragon skulls 15:07:12 giant fleas riding hippogrives 15:07:38 s|fleas|mites| 15:07:54 Ah, indeed. 15:18:14 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:33 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:44 .crushed 15:28:44 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:28:44 81. Ketziah the Stickfighter (L21 DsWn of Makhleb), thrown by an octopode crusher on Depths:2 (minmay_haunted_quarter) on 2014-12-05 22:44:40, with 357344 points after 54849 turns and 6:02:58. 15:28:49 .gmp 15:28:54 .gmap 15:29:00 88. dhcng the Protected (L12 MiFi of Okawaru), quit the game on Lair:5 (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake) on 2014-12-07 01:28:58, with 25696 points after 17034 turns and 2:42:55. 15:29:28 %git 208aa01 15:29:31 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3042-g208aa01: Hand-pick hell effect spawns 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 37+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=208aa0101c4e 15:29:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30:30 that's in a branch, btw 15:31:05 ...hrm 15:31:06 PleasingFungus: if you look at that diff 15:31:15 { BRANCH_DIS, { RANDOM_DEMON_GREATER, SPTYP_EARTH, { 15:31:16 + { MONS_SKELETON, 15 }, 15:31:16 + { MONS_ZOMBIE, 15 }, 15:31:16 + { MONS_SIMULACRUM, 10 }, 15:31:20 and then 15:31:25 { MONS_ICE_DRAGON, 10 }, 15:31:25 + { MONS_BLUE_DEVIL, 5 }, 15:31:25 + { MONS_ICE_DEVIL, 5 }, 15:31:31 looks like ice stuff and not dis stuff? 15:31:39 or are those just part of it 15:31:47 part of whatever dis' theme is 15:31:57 I mean ice dragon doesn't seem right 15:33:23 oh 15:33:25 that was supposed to be coc 15:33:30 yeah, ok 15:33:35 but yeah I see what you're doing 15:34:14 it's probably best if we do just control those lists, since this shard shrike problem is an example of why we need something more flexible than RANDOM_MONSTER 15:35:10 seems like it could be useful for more than shard shrikes 15:35:12 in principle 15:35:55 well, not 'in principle'. just generally being able to tune hell effect spawns independently of normal branch spawns seems good 15:36:28 -!- CrawlOffline is now known as CrawlOffline|jho 15:36:40 yep 15:36:47 so we can add hellfire seraphim 15:36:50 grunt has a patch 15:37:00 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:14 heh 15:37:25 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:37:42 is MarvinPA back to finish that Na for good 15:37:55 !lm MarvinPA Na-- 15:37:56 6099. [2014-10-04 21:37:44] MarvinPA the Farming Plane Slider (L27 NaEE of Ashenzari) (Lair:2) 15:38:04 !lm MarvinPA Na-- -log 15:38:04 6099. MarvinPA, XL27 NaEE, T:871691 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/MarvinPA/crash-MarvinPA-20141004-213744.txt 15:38:07 wasn't that one still bugged 15:38:12 yeah 15:38:13 some kind of weird artefact thing 15:38:25 nearly 1m turns 15:38:29 *1mil 15:38:41 oh and in fact that log is a crash log 15:39:13 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:39:34 -!- Sharkman1231_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:43:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:13 -!- CrawlOffline|jho has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:37 i suspect it will work the same as without the blade card 15:43:44 which is not ideal, ya... 15:43:56 it's a pretty niche situation 15:44:10 should probably be fixed but no rush on that one 15:44:12 ##crawl 15:44:30 until the xuaxua bug reports start pouring in 15:44:55 Why doesn't TSO punish you for using Sack of Spiders or Rod of the Swarm? 15:45:35 Especcialy the rod, because it produces Vampire Mosquitos, which are evil, and poison things, which TSO doesn't like 15:45:47 i think he doesn't mind monsters poisoning 15:45:51 they can't be unchivalric 15:46:00 and, TSO prevents you from getting mosquitoes from the rod 15:46:09 Hmm 15:46:11 s/monsters/animals 15:46:30 !lm bairyn sphe crash x=vlong 15:46:31 110. [2014-08-02 22:15:06] [vlong=] bairyn the Pacifier (L3 SpHe of Elyvilon) ASSERT(total > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 56 failed on turn 3235. (D:4) 15:46:33 !lm bairyn sphe crash x=gid 15:46:34 110. [2014-08-02 22:15:06] [game_key=bairyn:cao:20140702212728S] bairyn the Pacifier (L3 SpHe of Elyvilon) ASSERT(total > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 56 failed on turn 3235. (D:4) 15:46:45 !lg bairyn gid=bairyn:cao:20140702212728S 15:46:46 1. bairyn the Pacifier (L4 SpHe of Elyvilon), slain by an orc (a +2,+1 mace of crushing) on D:5 on 2014-08-02 22:20:38, with 292 points after 3580 turns and 0:26:27. 15:46:46 ha that was a good crash 15:46:53 Also forgive me if it say's I've logged off, it's just me playing offline, because Kiwiirc doesn't work anymore 15:47:09 was looking through logs and was curious about what happened to the char 15:47:18 !tv bairyn gid=bairyn:cao:20140702212728S 15:47:19 1. bairyn, XL4 SpHe, T:3580 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 15:47:26 i assumed it didn't keep the gda 15:47:32 -!- maha_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1/20141106120505]] 15:47:41 i assumed wrong 15:47:41 -7 ev 15:47:57 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48:04 -!- AlphaQ_ is now known as AlphaQ 15:48:05 -!- Maera has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:06 whoa, floor giant eyeballs in d 15:48:07 remember those 15:48:22 good (4.5) 15:48:28 Quite Powerful 15:48:47 anyway, hoist, petards, etc 15:50:13 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:43 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:53:57 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:17 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:56:01 -!- CrawlOffline|jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:58:46 -!- TMTurtle_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:59:11 oh i bet the tasonir bug is chaotic reflection 15:59:29 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:01:46 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:05:17 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:15:12 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:22 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:24 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:16:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:17:42 "Your worker ant zombie waves its antennae." 16:17:50 Is this supposed to happen every time you try to rest? 16:18:46 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:07 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:19:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:21:05 -!- Twinge has quit [] 16:22:42 it shouldn't interrupt your rest, unless you've messed with your rcfile 16:24:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:56 PleasingFungus: Huh. I am pretty sure I did. :p 16:25:06 Only that it was supposed to make things better! 16:25:11 alas 16:29:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:05 PleasingFungus: Do you have idea about where to look for it? 16:30:22 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:30:36 absolutely not 16:30:38 well 16:30:43 I know that it's a message channel 16:30:51 but beyond that I know very little about rc files. 16:31:28 PleasingFungus: Okay, this is pretty enough. Thanks! 16:32:48 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:53 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:37:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:17 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:41:10 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:26 -!- inspector071 has quit [Client Quit] 16:47:40 -!- chukamok has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:48:25 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:48:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:29 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:49:57 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:10 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:56:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:23 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:06:35 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:08:51 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:38 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 17:12:19 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14:35 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:17:55 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:46 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:27 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:24:46 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3049-g2a447e9 (34) 17:30:19 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:04 Oh and while we are on the subject... for the rare occassion that an idea makes it through the initial crossfire and gets fleshed out in discussion and ends up getting 1000 upvotes it doesnt get implemented for some reason. When the idea was made by one of the 5 or so veteran elite, on the other hand... 17:32:09 is this tavern or reddit? 17:32:16 tavern 17:32:32 the 'upvotes' made me wonder 17:32:32 you know something's bad when you can't tell whether it's from reddit or not 17:32:37 yes 17:35:37 I was going to make fun of http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/2ombbt/why_are_fun_things_removed_in_each_major_patch/ , but honestly I don't have the heart for it; it's just someone who doesn't really understand design at all. not really a moral failing. 17:35:52 you might enjoy it, though. 17:36:45 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:38:39 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:35 good eb sighting 17:39:47 it's quite simple, really. patches can't be considered major unless they remove something fun 17:39:51 so, by definition... 17:42:10 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:12 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:44:45 so what, is haste getting removed or something as a spell? 17:45:01 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:45:39 is Lightli getting removed or something from ##crawl-dev? 17:45:50 maybe? 17:45:55 (I'll take that as a no) 17:45:55 who is quazifuji on reddit btw? it's some irc personality but I can't figure out who 17:46:06 !seen Quazifuji 17:46:06 I last saw Quazifuji at Mon Nov 24 11:09:34 2014 UTC (2w 12h 36m 32s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 246 seconds'. 17:46:10 huh 17:46:16 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47:35 isnt he a tavern poster too 17:47:46 its probably just a person who plays crawl 17:51:46 PleasingFungus: re: reddit, I thought you were against making fun of people's moral failings behind their backs. 17:52:08 Lasty: that is another reason why I decide not to make fun of that person! 17:52:11 *decided 17:52:14 haha 17:52:22 My life is complex and multifacted. 17:52:46 I wrote a response to them instead. 17:53:00 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:00 -!- read has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:00 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:23 1learn add pleasing_fungus My life is complex and multifacted. 17:57:27 i thought things in the learndb had to be true 17:57:34 ??pleasingfungus[misleading 17:57:34 pleasingfungus[2/18]: a misleading learndb dev entry ????? 17:57:50 re-reading that old MD removal entry. "and with some luck and effort, 0.10 will see more interesting Demigods." 17:58:02 poor dpeg 17:58:32 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:00:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:01:18 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:03:17 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:06:12 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:07:09 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:07:12 me too. has there ever been an idea to print a welcome screen when you enter the dungeon? I'm imagining a newbie picking DD for their first game and not realising they can't heal -- the differences between races only get a tiny sentence on the race select screen 18:09:00 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:09:14 there has been, yes. 18:09:27 it's in chriso patches somewhere, iirc. 18:09:45 part 18:09:47 chriso? 18:09:48 -!- Maera has left ##crawl-dev 18:09:59 it would probably be a great addition to hints mode, assuming it's not already in there. I don't know. Hints mode is a great mystery to me. 18:10:05 ??chrispatches 18:10:05 chrispatches ~ chris patches[1/22]: remove zotdef 18:10:07 sounds like you need 18:10:08 a few hints 18:10:11 ... 18:10:15 hi. 18:10:16 weak, grunt. 18:10:18 weak. 18:10:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:11:29 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:23 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:15:40 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:19:04 Hints mode just has 3 combos though 18:19:06 I think 18:19:21 MiBe, CeHu, DEFE or something 18:21:32 close, it's DECj 18:22:41 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:25:50 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:18 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:21 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:33 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:57 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:29:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:30:23 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:40 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:04 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:35:05 yeah, I was thinking like the nethack opening paragraph 18:35:20 except with less static flavour and more combo-specific intro 18:36:29 "As a deep dwarf, blah blah damage shaving, no natural healing. You are most skilled in earth magic, blah blah and weak in the schools of blah blah. Your necromancer background gives you novice skills in x, y & z while providing you with blah items." 18:36:36 sounds like hints mode 18:36:45 someone should double-check to see if that already exists 18:36:58 well, I was thinking for each game-start in normal mode 18:37:08 that sounds really annoying 18:37:17 hints mode seems like the right place 18:37:31 press spacebar once more at game start? or even disable it in init.txt 18:37:48 i mean, does hints mode even exist in webtiles servers? 18:39:55 If not, it certainly should. let me check. 18:39:58 not out of the box 18:40:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:40:17 but it also just plain didn't work out of the box on my local 18:40:21 can someone test http://sprunge.us/jKBA 18:40:27 ebering: didn't work how? 18:40:57 Open, start a game, the crawl process starts and the webserver claims everything is AOK but safari just shows Loading... and no errors in the error console 18:41:11 oh 18:41:13 yeah I have that too 18:41:17 it would be possible to support 18:41:23 I thought you meant local tiles, not local webtiles 18:41:26 it's just like zotdef/sprint 18:42:42 but my point is just that nobody uses hints mode, and having to play in hints mode with all its generic hints for each new combo if you want a >1 sentence overview of your race isn't really realistic 18:43:09 PleasingFungus: I guess that was ambiguous, I meant running the webserver locally 18:43:33 yeah I gotcha - it used to work for me, but broke something around a month ago 18:44:17 chequers: experienced players do not use hints mode. players in places that hints mode is not available (webtiles) do not use hints mode. does that mean "no one uses hints mode"? 18:44:42 I used hints mode when I started playing in august 18:45:13 It was helpful for two games or so and then I got the hang of things 18:45:18 me too! but for one game 18:46:03 |amethyst: yo I think dgl-status is subtly broken and I don't know who else to ping :) 18:46:23 |amethyst: specifically it shows all games as having zero spectators, which is patently false 18:46:27 my point is that expecting people to play hints mode whenever they pick a new race or class isn't really viable unless hints mode is changed significantly 18:47:02 Wensley: it would only show console spectators, aiui. So anyone spectating through webtiles wouldn't be counted 18:47:30 chequers: I agree 18:48:04 chequers: it used to include webtiles watchers, as far as I remember 18:48:36 chequers: but in any case it's all the more imperative that you get cracking on that json :) 18:49:03 chequers: why do you keep talking about combos and classes 18:49:06 Wensley: keep poking, but don't expect news for ~2 weeks 18:49:28 I'm doing some of the foundation work as part of my current project though 18:49:34 chequers: awesome 18:49:43 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:44 in the meantime I guess the playerstatus page will just be vaguely broken 18:51:27 there are a few other missing servers that are more traditional setup than mine, eg ??cxc that you could probably get the owners to start supporting dgl-status now on 18:53:00 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:15 Okay, I ran into something on stable. 18:54:22 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 18:54:27 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:54:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:54:38 I was in pan, and seeing a pan lord, I opened a box of beasts, the chimera sprung out, and we started to attack the pan lord, I'm using an axe, so when I get near the pan-lord, and the chimera is adjacent to me, I hit the chimera, causing it to aggro against me instead of the pan-lord 18:54:44 Aren 18:54:52 't axes supposed to not hit allies? 18:55:39 Wendol (L10 MuWz) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. (Lab) 18:56:17 Ping?? 18:56:17 pong 18:56:47 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:06 Hello? 18:59:13 You weren't "Confused" status, by any chance? 18:59:25 Nope 18:59:41 And great, I've got penance with Zin because of it 18:59:45 Can anyone suggest why wouldn't " more += .* flickers and vanishes" and then "more != .* for a moment" work? It used to. 18:59:48 dump? 18:59:57 Hmm, that's probably a bug (allies are suppose to be immune to cleaving). Maybe report it on mantis. 19:00:05 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:00:08 ... 19:00:14 doesn't zin hate chimeras 19:00:22 Oh, yes, there's ^ 19:00:26 they're extremely chaotic flesh mash-ups 19:00:29 Oh right 19:00:34 Maybe that's why 19:00:44 I thought you couldn't summon things your god would oppose? 19:00:45 I would have guessed that you got penance for even using it and the chimera came out auto-hostile 19:00:46 I guess the bug then is not prompting before use? 19:00:53 probably 19:00:54 Yeah 19:01:02 It didn't ask me if I wanted to use it 19:01:09 xfleury: that was when it didn't have chimera and could have hell hounds 19:01:50 Kind of funny that the new Box of Beast has been in for like a year and nobody noticed that >_> 19:01:51 alternatively we have a bad awkwardness where cards will block hated actions but not other evokables but what are you doing touching decks without nemelex >_> 19:02:18 -!- Isabel has quit [Quit: Wah] 19:02:34 Okay, the box doesn't ask, and the beast comes out auto-hostile 19:02:47 I checked it in wiz-mode 19:03:04 Sounds like a bug to me; I would put that on Matnis. 19:04:52 Are there any other evocables which give a prompt before evoking? 19:04:58 certainly a bug, yes. 19:05:22 unless the box is marked red (forbidden) in the inventory, in which case it's merely dubious 19:06:18 Yeah, box of beasts is marked red. 19:06:32 lamp of fire has same behavoir under Dith. 19:06:39 marked but no prompt on evoking. 19:06:59 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:10 * xFleury doesn't understand why Box of Beasts is marked red for Zin. 19:07:33 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:40 Zin doesn't like hideous composites like chimeras 19:08:06 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:08:11 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:22 -!- reaverb has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:08:24 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 19:08:43 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 19:08:46 PleasingFungus: Oh, I was thinking of pushing the boots of steampunk. When you said they "looked powerful" the other day, was there any particular change you wanted? 19:09:11 that's not their actual name, right? 19:09:12 For consistency though, Lasty, it should just prevent those specific creatures from coming out of it. 19:09:19 well, first of all, they absolutely cannot have that name 19:09:21 That's all it creates 19:09:29 xFleury: It only produces chimerae 19:09:33 The box only makes chimeras 19:09:35 Ok, any suggestions? 19:09:39 for the new name. 19:09:42 reaverb: what do they do? 19:09:50 Gear Boots 19:09:59 Steam Shoes 19:10:02 ??box of beasts 19:10:02 box of beasts[1/3]: Evoke to release a friendly 3-headed {chimera}... the box contains between 5 and 15 of them. 1/3 chance of failure with no bad effects. The three heads are chosen from a list scaling with Evocations from rats up to dragons. Creates permanent chimeras in 0.13, summoned ones in 0.14+. 19:10:16 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:10:26 Lasty: They give Igni's flame fortress ability as an Evocable ability. 19:10:29 * xFleury makes a note to self "get with the times". 19:10:33 From the smithgod branch. 19:10:38 ??Igni 19:10:38 igni[1/1]: An experimental god branch on CSZO. The new god is described in this commit: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=c07910ae6d3bea3a66328782ca471c5a7da96add 19:10:41 reaverb: could you remind me what that does? 19:10:57 I've got to go, will be back shortly 19:11:02 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141118144012]] 19:11:09 It creates flame clouds surrounding you and any adjacent monsters. 19:11:21 Kind of hard to explain without seeing it in action. 19:11:32 "imagine a more limited cloud card you can spam a lot" 19:11:35 Like Ring of Flames? 19:11:48 Here's the diff: https://bpaste.net/show/a79f16fa792b 19:12:20 Flame Soles 19:12:35 Lasty: Sort of, but it isn't a duration so if you evoke it like that you're stuck. 19:12:38 Heck, just call them Igni's Boots 19:12:38 Burning Rubber 19:12:52 pfft 19:12:52 :p 19:12:56 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:05 Hmm, might be worth changing it from flame clouds to help differtate from Ring of Flame. 19:13:06 Doesn't matter that Igni may never exist 19:13:07 like that night goddess 19:13:09 with a robe 19:13:15 who certainly isn't dith 19:13:26 Nyx? 19:13:30 ?? robe of night 19:13:30 robe of night[1/1]: the +4 robe of Night {+Inv MR+ SInv Stlth++ (50)}. Reduces LOS by 2, partially stacking with lantern of shadows, nightstalker and Darkness. 19:13:34 sounds like we need to 19:13:35 Nyx 19:13:36 that idea 19:13:46 * CrawlOffline|Jho throws peanuts at Grunt 19:13:50 OUT! 19:14:16 Oh, and should I email pubby and ask permission before pushing this? It didn't seem like an issue with trying to continue smithgod, but this is kind of a more radical transformation. 19:14:57 Conflagaration Galoshes 19:15:17 firewalk with me 19:15:23 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:15:27 !seen mumra 19:15:27 I last saw mumra at Tue Sep 9 05:38:42 2014 UTC (12w 6d 19h 36m 45s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 246 seconds'. 19:15:28 Crimson Cleats 19:15:42 Ooh! Lava Loafers! 19:15:57 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:03 !tell AreBrandon I can't reproduce the issues you're describing. Are you starting a new character or an existing character? 19:16:03 made with real lava orc 19:16:03 Lasty: OK, I'll let arebrandon know. 19:16:20 -!- serq has quit [Quit: und weg...] 19:16:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:40 Lava Loafers is great. 19:16:52 They don't have much to do with Lava though >_> 19:16:53 If we change the cloudtype, Freezing Footgear 19:17:08 But it's alliterative 19:17:12 Or thunder clouds: Storm Shoes. 19:17:34 Stinky Shoes imo 19:17:36 thunder clouds are more awkward for the unrand 19:17:41 Poisonous clouds? 19:17:46 Flame Flip-Flops! 19:18:00 Magma Mocassins 19:18:00 hmmm. meph, pcloud, fcloud, ring of flames, cloud card, qaz, storm card 19:18:09 obviously the answer is acidic clouds. 19:18:11 Rod of Clouds! 19:18:18 Negative energy clouds 19:18:19 Caustic Cleats 19:18:20 Shoes of clouds. Random cloud types ;p 19:18:27 Your feet burn! 19:18:32 Caustic Cleats is the winner. We're done here. 19:18:54 made with real shrike feathers 19:19:33 imo keep boots of steampunk and get tile ideas: http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=266 19:19:51 need some matching googles for the helmet spot 19:20:21 ebering: They already have a tile, PleasingFungus generously donated his firewalker boots tile. 19:20:26 %git firewalker 19:20:26 Could not find commit firewalker (git returned 128) 19:20:31 %git :/firewalker 19:20:31 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-81-g8285e78: Initial pass on firewalker boots 10(8 months ago, 20 files, 80+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8285e782c253 19:20:53 Conflagaration CLOGS! 19:21:01 How serious are the suggestions for acid? <_< 19:21:13 Pyro Pumps! 19:22:09 I feel good about the acid clouds. 19:22:30 They should make you immune to Acid Dragons! 19:22:38 -!- Adeon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:38 oh this will be of interest to someone here 19:22:41 http://sprunge.us/IWBD 19:23:32 ?? druid 19:23:32 I don't have a page labeled druid in my learndb. 19:24:04 There needs to be wild haggises and drop-bears in crawl... 19:24:07 Ok, I'll change it to acid clouds, probably try to test it a bit. 19:24:44 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:25:17 What resists Acid that isn't jellys? 19:25:36 stainless steel dragons 19:26:14 !smite read 19:26:15 CrawlOffline|Jho gestures. Something smites read! 19:26:43 Giant orange stomach linings. 19:26:45 Caustic Cleats or Caustic Clogs? Cleats feel more modern, even if they are actually pretty old according to wikipedia. 19:27:20 Clogs have that unique feel though 19:27:28 I mean, what games have clogs in them? 19:27:46 Clog Hero 19:27:46 Plus you can dance in them! 19:27:57 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:30:07 -!- theTower has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:30:37 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:33:56 sleeves (L27 DsMo) ASSERT(blood.sub_type == POT_BLOOD_COAGULATED) in 'rot.cc' at line 596 failed. (Geh:7) 19:34:07 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:48 <|amethyst> !lg sleeves x=vlong 19:35:48 3784. [vlong=0.15.2] sleeves the Insei (L2 DsMo), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-12-07 23:07:27, with 8 points after 427 turns and 0:00:37. 19:35:54 <|amethyst> !lm sleeves crash x=vlong 19:35:54 1. [2014-12-09 01:33:49] [vlong=0.15.2] sleeves the Grand Master (L27 DsMo of Makhleb) ASSERT(blood.sub type == POT BLOOD COAGULATED) in 'rot.cc' at line 596 failed on turn 62490. (Geh:7) 19:35:58 hm 19:37:25 -!- Xeiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:37:28 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:55 -!- DrStalker_ is now known as DrStalker 19:40:47 -!- Adeon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:30 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon 19:42:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:44:21 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:14 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:52:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:06 what on earth 19:55:09 oh, 15.2 19:55:11 w/e 19:55:56 15.2? 19:56:19 0.15.2 19:56:29 oh 19:56:33 w/e :P 19:56:42 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:56:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:59:53 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:04:04 -!- Devell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:48 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:55 -!- Devell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:17 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:35 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 20:09:13 -!- Devell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:10:22 -!- Devell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:03 -!- Shados has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20:15:50 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:55 !tell Lasty New characters, but it loads the next floor just fine after the crash 20:15:56 AreBrandon: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:16:01 !messages 20:16:02 (1/1) Lasty said (59m 58s ago): I can't reproduce the issues you're describing. Are you starting a new character or an existing character? 20:16:11 !tell Lasty New characters, but it loads the next floor just fine after the crash 20:16:11 AreBrandon: OK, I'll let lasty know. 20:17:30 There needs to be a Proctologist Finger Quarterstaff... 20:17:37 It should have pain brand 20:17:39 -!- Devell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:59 -!- Devell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:59 -!- Devell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:06 Maybe there is something wrong with my build? It is theoretically clean. Has anyone else tried the no_backtracking_god branch? 20:18:25 AreBrandon: what triggers the crash? 20:18:35 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-3050-gfff2fcc: checkwhite 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fff2fcc34a6d 20:18:53 What's a god branch 20:18:56 ?? god branch 20:18:56 I don't have a page labeled god_branch in my learndb. 20:18:59 gammafunk: changing floors, except D:2->D:1 20:19:26 AreBrandon: when you do this, you're worshiping W I assume, and if so what piety? 20:19:50 gammafunk: Not worshiping anyone :\ 20:20:10 well, perhaps Lasty was assuming you were and hence he can't recreate :) 20:20:14 let me try 20:20:22 That's a good point :P 20:21:04 AreBrandon: do you get a crash if you are worshiping W? 20:21:06 CrawlOffline|Jho: Features in development are often hosted as branches in the public git repository 20:21:16 ??git branch 20:21:16 git branch[1/2]: Hear about a a new source code "branch" you want to try out? If you can already compile Crawl, here is a git command to access it: 'git checkout -b FOO_BRANCH origin/FOO_BRANCH' 20:21:39 ??git branch[2 20:21:40 git branch[2/2]: You can also type %branch FOO_BRANCH in IRC, and Cheibriados will give a link to a log of the latest commits in that branch. 20:22:13 So it's kinda like a proving ground for new ideas and things? 20:22:33 gammafunk: I'm still segfaulting yeah :( 20:22:36 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:22:51 well I'm trying out a compile, but it'll take a bit to build 20:23:42 Maybe ccache is mucking something up? I don't know much more about the build process than how to do it 20:24:38 CrawlOffline|Jho: a branch is a general thing in developing software for new features not yet ready for primetime. some of them are for Big Ideas (gods whatever) but they're cheap in git so they also get used for little things not yet ready for primetime 20:24:58 even if those ideas are pure tech and don't impact gameplay 20:25:09 CrawlOffline|Jho: You can see some of the recent ones at the bottom of http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 20:25:13 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:55 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:26:18 * AreBrandon Pauses to smell a pleasing fungus. 20:27:10 AreBrandon, gammafunk: oh, yeah, didn't test w/o the god. oops. 20:27:10 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:28:54 Lasty: yeah I got a crash from d:1->d:2 20:28:57 * xFleury ponders if he could just install gcc & makefile on OS X and just use that to compile an OS X build. 20:29:00 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:25 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:39 is clang not working for you? 20:29:43 AreBrandon: hmm, still can't reproduce w/o wulndraste in wiz mode 20:29:50 trying with no wiz mode 20:29:50 gcc would probably work fine on os x 20:29:59 \o/ I'm not crazy 20:30:46 can't do it without wiz mode either 20:30:47 dang 20:31:09 AreBrandon: could you tell me in detail how you pulled, built, and created the character? 20:31:51 Lasty: yeah it crashes for me 20:31:58 from d:1->d:2 20:32:02 in a full debug build 20:32:02 weiiiiird 20:32:03 of console 20:32:09 I can give you a backtrace 20:32:11 can you give me any details? 20:32:31 gammafunk: I don't think it's clang/llvm, it's just that the xcodeproj is needs some serious attention before it will compile and work again. 20:32:51 oh 20:33:02 yeah if you want to make a proper app 20:33:33 Before today, the xcodeproj wasn't even *parseable* by Xcode, it was saying the file was corrupt or something. 20:34:04 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:20 Lasty: After that "broken build" whatever happened I just went git branch -D and tried again (git checkout no_backtracking_god) so that should be okay so far 20:34:38 make clean && make (w/ ccache) 20:34:49 -!- DocEon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:51 maybe I should try deleting and repulling the branch 20:34:53 and just started a mifi and went downstairs 20:36:09 !gamesby biandsingle 20:36:10 biandsingle has played 13 games, between 2014-11-13 23:10:04 and 2014-12-09 01:43:24, won 0, high score 1186, total score 3720, total turns 28129, play-time/day 0:07:08, total time 3:12:49. 20:36:17 hell of a name 20:36:26 gammafunk: any luck with that trace? 20:36:39 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:36:42 Lasty: one sec; but re your branch, git diff origin/branch_name 20:37:00 there are more elegant ways to check that ofc 20:37:29 ah, good point 20:37:32 Lasty: http://sprunge.us/hAFS?diff 20:37:49 that diff comes up empty 20:38:02 yeah, then you have no differences 20:38:10 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:38:17 whoa, flood find is breaking 20:38:18 and if git status reports no differences in working dir then 20:38:21 never ran into that 20:38:24 -!- rophy has quit [Client Quit] 20:38:58 I wonder why you don't get this 20:39:06 Lasty: try with default rc, or are you using one? 20:39:12 I'm using default 20:39:17 That is bizarre 20:39:20 hrm, let me try with default 20:39:25 it's also odd in that I haven't edited flood_find 20:39:40 I was using default rc I believe 20:39:56 <|amethyst> Lasty: are you using it? 20:40:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:40:25 |amethyst: using what? 20:40:32 <|amethyst> Lasty: flood_find 20:40:33 yeah, I get a crash with default rc as well 20:40:52 <|amethyst> Lasty: it's a template class, so an error in the template parameters to flood find is likely to show up as some obscure error inside the class 20:40:53 Could it be a memory issue? 20:41:05 |amethyst: hmm 20:41:06 <|amethyst> oh 20:41:15 <|amethyst> this is a runtime error 20:41:22 yeah 20:41:31 yeah, I'm using flood_find 20:41:54 -!- Devell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:55 Hm. How would Okawaru express "really liking" a kill? right now he "appreciates" it, whereas normally he "accepts" it, which is pretty damn understated. 20:42:25 I'm going to make the message white, like the old high-quality sacrifice message was, but I think I might want to change the text, too. 20:42:42 Okawaru roars: ANNIHILATED! 20:42:48 he almost entirely appreciates your kill 20:42:49 hi sgrunt 20:42:53 hi gammafunk 20:43:05 I was not going to make a joke 20:43:09 but then AreBrandon did, so 20:43:18 jokes are unacceptable. 20:43:24 this is a very serious matter!!! 20:43:30 :) 20:43:35 it is kind of hard to think of a good word 20:44:08 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:44:10 does okawaru have any personality 20:44:12 like, at all 20:44:25 vaguely an "honourable samurai" thing...? 20:44:26 "vaguely asian theme" 20:44:30 ??okawaru[old 20:44:31 okawaru[4/5]: I picture oka as this old guy going through his attic and just discarding old junk as gifts 20:44:44 I know and respect that entry 20:44:50 but I am not sure it should be the Canon Okawaru Depiction 20:44:57 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:59 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:45:01 oscillating fan entry is among my favorite learndb entries 20:45:09 it's good. 20:45:22 hrm, does it have to be him as the subject? 20:45:33 Approves of? 20:45:34 what are you thinking? 20:45:37 i.e. Okawaru your kill? 20:45:42 I don't think it does, no. 20:45:48 magicalfaerieponies (L14 HOFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster ice beast failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 20:45:59 well Okoawaru is honoured by your kill 20:46:05 Heh. 20:46:22 Sure, let's go with that. 20:47:16 magicalfaerieponies (L14 HOFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster tentacled monstrosity failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 20:47:18 gammafunk, AreBrandon: okay, I tried compiling console, and I tried exploring the whole level instead of using the first stair, no luck 20:47:24 I just cannot figure this out 20:47:33 Lasty: you're in mingw, using gcc, right? 20:47:36 yes 20:47:48 ug, that takes a while to compile, but 20:47:56 let me see if I can figure out what's causing the crash 20:48:00 can anyone else reproduce this? 20:48:05 thanks, gammafunk 20:48:24 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 20:48:44 is this a heisenbug 20:49:27 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:28 If you're asking whether I'm using this as a front for my meth cartel, yes. 20:50:10 good 20:52:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:52:32 -!- chukamok has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3051-ga38675e: Make high-value Okawaru kills a bit more notable 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a38675ed9cec 20:55:09 PleasingFungus: you did not update !!! 20:55:12 !blame PleasingFungus 20:55:12 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 20:55:18 what 20:55:34 ? ? ? ? 20:55:35 !source lang-fake.cc:416 20:55:35 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/lang-fake.cc;hb=HEAD#l416 20:55:35 * xFleury has his mindblown after discovering compiling the console version of DCSS on OS X is as simple as typing "make" in the source folder. 20:55:43 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:47 yes 20:55:50 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:51 o 20:55:53 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:55:54 p 20:56:01 nerf plz 20:56:05 Grunt: do you want to do it, or should I 20:56:10 what's getting nerfed 2nite 20:56:18 there are targets for making fancy app bundles, but you can just unix it 20:56:19 players with their names ending in a tilde 20:56:23 after all, os x is largely freebsd 20:56:27 PleasingFungus: you go do it 20:56:34 (except when it's not)\ 20:56:45 I saw the xcodeproj, and instantly assumed I had to get that working before I could compile DCSS on OS X. 20:56:53 nope 20:57:00 But with "make" and "gcc" available readily, the xcodeproj isn't needed at all. 20:57:03 the xcodeproj is there but as you noted, out of date 20:57:21 does freenode even let you put tildes in names 20:57:30 most of us biild using the makefile, "make" to get simple console version, "make mac-app-console" or "make mac-app-tiles" for fancy app bundles 20:57:51 (probably need the usual horkery, NO_PKGCONFIG=y etc.) 20:58:32 So what's holding up a 0.15.2 app on the website? Is there just no one on dev team with a mac and a bit of time? 20:58:53 pretty much 20:59:06 *and* an old enough OS, since apple only supports building for current and one previous release 20:59:12 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:59:41 -!- chukamok has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:59:44 so I could build in theory for 10.8+ (in practice it's more difficult because I have a heavily customized local build), most people on yosemity culd build for 10.9+ 21:01:02 Do you think that would affect alot of players? 21:01:12 nobody seems to know 21:02:32 I have been waiting on work to tell me if I can use our largely unused mac dev subscription (and indeed whether we still had it, as $grandboss wanted to drop it --- urns out we are keeping it and it will be getting use in the future) 21:02:57 which will let me install a 10.5 server VM to do builds on 21:03:21 except even that may not work due to recent apple cert stupidity, I am hearing :/ 21:03:40 the mac builds were being done by someone who we only know how to contact on twitter, iirc 21:03:50 (I have nor want a twitter account...) 21:04:00 ?/twitter 21:04:00 Matching entries (5): badcode[2]: https://twitter.com/crawlcode | crawlcode[1]: Come get some. ~ https://twitter.com/crawlcode | goodcode[12]: https://twitter.com/crawlcode | lld[1]: http://lazy-life.ddo.jp:8080/#lobby - Admin is https://twitter.com/dplusplus/ . | megabat[2]: http://twitter.com/flappitybat 21:04:13 mrr, oh well 21:04:19 ?/mac 21:04:19 Matching terms (20): emacs, great_mace, great_steel_mace, mac, macabre_finger, macabre_finger_necklace, macabre_mass, macbeth, mace, mace_of_brilliance, mace_of_variability, mace_stabbing, maces, maces_&_flails, maces_and_flails, macos, macro, macros, shimmering_mace, strange_machine; entries (75): 27[14] | anym[4] | apropos_randarts[5] | brilliance[2] | cdo[4] | centaur[2] | club[1] | cross_train... 21:04:31 ??mac 21:04:31 mac[1/2]: Install iTerm 2, do not use Terminal.app. If you like X, any sane X terminal emulator will work (xterm, urxvt). 21:04:37 ??mac[2 21:04:38 mac[2/2]: There's a magic .terminal file in this ticket: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2070 21:04:41 magicalfaerieponies (L14 HOFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster kobold demonologist failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:06:23 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:06:42 Anyone know readily how to pull the latest 0.15.2 source? "git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git" gives me the master/0.16 branch thing. 21:07:12 xFleury: do that, then git checkout stone_soup-0.15 21:07:25 I am trying and failing to remember where the rcfile is on local osx. 21:07:31 It doesn't seem to be ~/.crawlrc . 21:07:47 it is ~/.crawlrc 21:07:49 I use it 21:07:49 hm 21:08:34 oh, it's language =, not lang = 21:08:43 ??one true language 21:08:43 one true language[1/3]: language = sgrunt 21:09:29 -!- chukamok has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:05 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:11:05 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:20 augh 21:11:27 that commit message should have had (Grunt) at the end 21:11:43 I fucked up, man. I fucked up. 21:11:44 Lasty: sorry, had to reboot, did you figure out anything about the crash 21:11:57 the dang class where it's crash is 21:12:02 re: pan vaults, would it be acceptable to put transit_pandemoniums in them, or should it stay at three per level 21:12:02 it's.... 21:12:08 ...a *templated class* 21:12:15 the horror, the horror 21:12:17 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:28 Is there a place one can find out about LUA? 21:12:39 the language syntax? 21:12:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:43 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:12:47 specifically about crawl or just the language in general? 21:12:53 About Crawl 21:13:00 depends on for what purpose 21:13:03 I don't think there is documentation for functions exposed to lua 21:13:10 rc file stuff or vault stuff? 21:13:19 rc file 21:13:32 there's a clua (client lua) used for rc, and a dlua (dungeon lua I guess) for e.g. valuts 21:13:46 That's odd, SDL_opengl.h is giving a compilation error when I try to compile the 0.15.2 branch on OS X, but the master branch was compiling just fine. I'm guessing the SDL library was updated or something? 21:13:48 for rc, you kind of have to just read them 21:13:51 like 21:13:56 &rc 21:13:57 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc 21:14:07 mine is a most outstanding excellent rc of justice 21:14:11 Well, I'm wondering about the rc, because it lists Vault syntax in the manual 21:14:23 ----------------------------------------------- 21:14:23 How to make levels for Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 21:14:23 ----------------------------------------------- 21:14:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3052-gf11dc9d: Update a fake lang!!! 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f11dc9d02010 21:15:19 you kind of want to have a specific goal in mind, as there's not really an rc lua guide, but there is code written to do specific things 21:15:23 &rc qw 21:15:25 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/qw.rc 21:15:28 that's a bot written in lua 21:15:39 &rc HilariousDeathArtist 21:15:40 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/HilariousDeathArtist.rc 21:15:44 gammafunk: I have learned nothing! 21:15:54 that's an abomination and a virus as far as I'm concerned 21:16:00 but it does have some good examples of stuff 21:16:20 Lasty: ok, let me see if I get a useful breakpoint 21:16:57 -!- chukamok has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:17:11 -!- chukamok_ is now known as chukamok 21:17:43 Good then I've taken IB math, so I can understand all this " if true then blah blah" 21:17:59 -!- chukamok has quit [Client Quit] 21:18:07 I'm not sure you need any math background to understand if then else. 21:18:28 no we're all PhDs here 21:18:36 Well, it wasn't really math, it was more logic and stuff 21:18:38 PhD required to join the channel 21:18:56 There were no maths involved, just bunches of hieroglyphics and truth table 21:18:59 *tables 21:19:11 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:21:27 ?? hyperactive 21:21:27 I don't have a page labeled hyperactive in my learndb. 21:21:46 ballistomycete, right? 21:22:05 Maybe 21:22:20 xFleury, 0.15.2 wants SDL1, trunk wants SDL2. you may have to manually switch branches on the SDL submodule 21:22:21 auto_exclude += oklob,statue,curse skull,roxanne,hyperactive,lightning spire,mimic 21:22:22 gammafunk: I'm only a grad student better revert all my patches 21:22:25 and sdl_imge 21:22:58 ebering: you only have a few, typical grad student laziness 21:23:12 geekosaur: I would be very greatful if someone would tel me the commands to do that, so that I don't spend half the night reading through git commands. :/ 21:23:24 you earn your crawl phd when you implement a large feature and then remove it 21:23:37 gammafunk Ph.D. 21:23:39 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:23:50 Grunt: you have whatevers after Ph.D. 21:23:52 unfortunately I'm not sure myself, I don't know the git submodule stuff well enough :/ 21:24:29 Hmm, well, maybe I'll just grab the SDL headers from the SDL website, bypassing git-foo. 21:24:29 xFleury: what is it you need to do, exactly? 21:24:54 Allegedly I need some older versions of the SDL headers, gamma 21:24:55 I got my crawl Ph.D when someone posted on SA about what an awful dev I am 21:24:55 sdl1.2 and sdl2 contribs are seperate submodules 21:24:58 that won't end well, you need the matching libraries and I think you need a specific patch applied to our tree 21:25:16 -!- Sandman25 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:28 oh :/ 21:26:10 Like Lava Orcs, Djinni, Giants(species), Sludge Elves, Mountain Dwarves, Ogre Mages(species), Elves(species), Hill Dwarves, Gnomes, and Grey Elves? Were these large features? 21:26:10 Hello! Could you please let me know what's is wrong with "item slot" idea (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9275)? 21:29:15 ?? Mountain Dwarves 21:29:15 I don't have a page labeled Mountain_Dwarves in my learndb. 21:29:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3053-g28c50b0: Clean up hell effect noise code 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 10+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=28c50b0a8d1a 21:30:29 geekosaur: are you sure that's the problem though? After switching branches, git submodule update --init, gives me a "sdl" "sdl-image" folders. And it looks like "sdl2" folder doesn't get used. 21:30:50 It looks like it's using SDL1, but still throwing an error. 21:30:54 I had forgotten that they were separate submodules as gammafunk mentioned earlier 21:31:07 so I do not know what is wrong. do you perhaps have another SDL installed? 21:31:26 oh, hm, did you include all the necessary options (see INSTALL.txt)? 21:31:35 xFleury: are you trying to make trunk or 0.15.2? 21:31:45 make APPLE_GCC=y NO_PKGCONFIG=y CONTRIB_SDL=y TILES=y 21:32:07 (on 10.7+ you should not need APPLE_GCC=y since it's really clang) 21:32:24 trunk compiles effortlessly with "make TILES=y" on OS X, but I'm trying 0.15.2, and have tried both that and the instructions in INSTALL.txt. 21:32:39 ah 21:32:59 and unfortunately I cannot test because I do not use the contribs, I use locally installed versions 21:33:20 I'm not sure if I have another installation of SDL around. I certainly didn't install it myself, if that makes a difference. 21:33:22 hrm, I think 0.15.2 wouldn't compile with the new xcode 21:33:22 trying to build with the contribs on here breaks in odd ways because it finds the locally installed ones 21:33:49 we had that SDL issue that was basically resolved in the switch to sdl2 21:33:51 it did at one point, but again I did not try with the contribs 21:34:02 we actually fixed it in sdl1.2 contrib though, didn't we 21:34:12 ah, but we never did anything about 0.15.2 21:34:26 that probably uses an older version of the contrib 21:34:36 oh, hm, the apple header incompatibility issue, right 21:34:40 bleh 21:34:42 yeah so that'd be the problem 21:34:59 which I would not see as the local install has it fixed already 21:34:59 it is a fixable thing though 21:34:59 -!- Sandman25 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:35:09 we could do a 0.15.3 release for that I guess 21:35:43 if Lasty didn't keep making and breaking gods that are hard to debug! 21:35:52 I don't know how to set this dang breakpoint 21:36:05 or rather I can't find convenient conditions 21:36:33 -!- foophykins has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:48 Any reason my SInv dagger no longer gives me SInve 21:36:50 ? 21:37:07 Oh 21:37:13 It got unequipped... 21:38:14 Tricky... 21:38:48 http://meandmark.com/blog/2011/11/sdl-opengl-typedef-redefinition-error-on-mac-os-x-10-7/ 21:38:59 that's the issue I'm getting with 0.15.2 compilation 21:39:13 seems an easy enough fix 21:39:57 magicalfaerieponies (L16 HOFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster ice statue failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:40:04 xFleury: we already fixed it, we just didn't update 0.15.2 21:40:07 here's my latest bad idea 21:40:10 http://sprunge.us/YEYc 21:40:11 since it was already released 21:40:15 I thought we'd already had that fix, I recall digging out the macports patch for gamma 21:40:22 yeah we did! 21:40:33 as I was saying, it's fixed in sdl1.2 contrib 21:40:37 but 0.15.2 was already released 21:40:41 i love all your bad ideas grunt 21:40:46 it uses a version of the contribs 21:40:48 this one is 21:40:49 from before the fix 21:40:50 shockingly bad 21:40:59 you might say I had a 21:41:00 !glasses 21:41:00 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 21:41:02 spark of inspiration 21:41:14 * CrawlOffline|Jho convulses 21:41:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41:19 mm, but I thought xFleury was building from a git checkout, not a tarball 21:41:32 hrm? git checkout would have the same problem 21:41:51 git checkout will checkout specific version of the submodules, right? 21:41:59 those versions will be pre-sdl fix 21:42:15 and I don't know if any other fixes were required in crawl itself 21:42:38 Grunt: for the sdl1.2 upgrade, did anything have to happen in the crawl repo itself? 21:42:46 We had to make some makefile changes, did we not 21:42:46 gammafunk: seems like it's just broken for people who aren't me, so . . . is there even really a problem? 21:42:47 Were Giants really a race at one point? 21:42:50 gammafunk: I don't think so? 21:43:30 geekosaur, xFleury: so the fix may be as simple as updating the 0.15.2 tree to use the latest versions of the submodules 21:43:37 but the submodules are are already updated 21:43:59 CrawlOffline|Jho: No. 21:44:22 Oh 21:44:30 Lasty: well, I guess we could have all people but Lasty get crashes when going downstairs, but you don't feel that's unfair? 21:48:47 No. Do you/ 21:50:17 -!- socks__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:50:48 The cold, indifferent heart of the God Maker... 21:52:06 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 21:52:21 -!- socks_ has quit [Changing host] 21:57:21 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho is now known as Dapper|Jho 22:00:23 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3054-gfd6d158: Rewrite Gozag wrath description 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd6d158ab62e 22:00:31 PleasingFungus: \o/ 22:00:33 :) 22:01:28 hm. I should remember how to ssh into cszo. 22:01:32 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:02:46 ? 22:02:52 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1/20141106120505]] 22:03:18 Grunt: https://dobrazupa.org/saves/PleasingFungus-crawl-git-c280d91bfe-141209-0402.tar.bz2 this is the save with that weird "petrified plants turn into panlord wings" visual bug 22:03:27 now, finally, I can resume that game. 22:08:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:10:36 !lm PleasingFungus 22:10:36 5829. [2014-12-09 04:04:10] PleasingFungus the Magician (L1 GhWz) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 22:10:43 oh, I know how this will end 22:11:14 !lg . 22:11:15 371. PleasingFungus the Magician (L1 GhWz), slain by an ooze on D:1 (mrwooster_arrival_statue) on 2014-12-09 04:04:04, with 0 points after 36 turns and 0:00:21. 22:11:40 how did you die ten seconds before the game started 22:11:44 er, six seconds 22:12:06 nicolae-: PleasingFungus has problems with ghouls 22:12:22 including but not limited to death by time travel 22:12:27 that'll happen 22:15:01 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:57 What? 22:17:23 Is it a dapper time travel machine, like a Delorean? *sips tea* 22:18:12 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:19:10 what's the over/under on a Lehudib's Crystal Javelin unrandart patch landing? 22:19:50 Bleh, my adventure compiling 0.15.2 on OS X has been cut short by chores in RL. :/ 22:20:06 (setting up christmas decorations >.>) 22:20:17 bbl| 22:20:21 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1/20141106120505]] 22:20:33 That's not a chore! 22:21:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:21:08 It's a wonderful tradition that has been established for many generations! 22:21:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:21 * Grunt whistles. 22:22:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3055-gf5291b4: Pare down a couple of Spider rune vaults. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 51+ 74-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5291b4211d8 22:24:01 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:24:24 what more recent additions do you mean in the last sentence, i don't recall any new spider monsters lately 22:24:57 torpor snails are in spider 22:25:14 There are Ideas™, one way or the other <_< 22:25:16 ah, right 22:25:28 what kind of... ideas 22:26:45 maybe I should figure out what a spark spider would be 22:26:49 I think we're out of room on the s glyph though 22:26:53 I've actually had an idea, a spider that uses webs to pull the player towards it, much in the same way a mermaid does 22:27:12 thus spark wasps....... 22:27:25 But the player can blink away, and beserk and stuff 22:27:48 spider with eggs on its back, when you kill it it drops like eight tiny spiders 22:28:14 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:19 BROWN, LIGHTRED, YELLOW, LIGHTGREY, CYAN, LIGHTMAGENTA, LIGHTBLUE, WHITE, LIGHTCYAN, RED, LIGHTGREEN, MAGENTA, 22:28:19 Actually, spiders with Explosive eggs on back, when you kill it, it releases inner flame 22:28:40 so we have BLUE and GREEN 22:28:53 ice spider 22:29:07 shiver spider 22:29:36 arctic arachnid! 22:29:46 dang. 22:29:55 arctick 22:29:59 Yes! 22:30:05 dang! 22:30:06 Though that makes it sound zappy 22:30:11 Instead of freezy 22:30:19 Because arc=electricity 22:30:31 it can be 22:30:32 both 22:30:34 blizzard spider 22:30:40 storm spider!? 22:30:47 taking the nest by storm 22:30:55 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:31:29 yes, another spider nest creature with a pun name... 22:31:35 *rubs hands together evilly* 22:33:09 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:16 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:34:18 Grunt: wow, grunt_spider_rune_island was really big 22:34:21 ya 22:34:29 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 22:35:02 Arcthropod! 22:35:24 some sort of trilobite 22:35:36 Yes! 22:35:37 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:46 As a paleontologist to be, I approve 22:35:52 note: i have no idea what would actually make trilobites distinct from other creatures. 22:36:44 What about spider crabs? 22:36:52 they breathe clouds of spiders 22:37:07 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Macrocheira_kaempferi.jpg/220px-Macrocheira_kaempferi.jpg 22:37:21 heck yeah 22:37:38 !lg . s=god 22:37:39 371 games for PleasingFungus: 159x, 26x Lugonu, 25x Okawaru, 17x Makhleb, 16x Xom, 15x Cheibriados, 14x Nemelex Xobeh, 13x Vehumet, 12x Sif Muna, 12x Dithmenos, 11x Trog, 10x Fedhas, 9x Ashenzari, 8x Yredelemnul, 5x Zin, 5x Kikubaaqudgha, 4x The Shining One, 3x Beogh, 2x Qazlal, 2x Jiyva, 2x Gozag, Ru 22:37:49 mantis shrimp, when it hits you you get force lanced back a few squares 22:37:49 They get 12 feet wide in leg span 22:38:05 And weigh 42 pounds 22:38:07 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:20 Lasty_: in that backtrace I gave you, the crash occurs when has_connected_path_forward finds e.g. an unexplored upstairs after going down 22:38:36 hey, you don't gotta convince me that spider crabs are cool 22:38:40 speficially the crash is when c has the coordinates of said stairs 22:39:05 arthropods? i'm a fan 22:39:07 maybe tomorrow I can try to compile on mingw to see if it's some weird thing not triggered on windows 22:39:13 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:39:46 I think maybe they can pick the player up and throw him, like Octopode Crushers. 22:39:58 Or constrict him. 22:40:03 but then what would be the distinction from octopode crushers 22:40:11 Iron Shot 22:40:20 Ranged abilitys, shields. 22:40:31 These would be high AC throwers. 22:40:55 i dunno, most stuff in spider doesn't use shields or items 22:41:20 No, Crushers use shields and iron shot, these wouldn't 22:41:36 They would just have alot of AC, and decent melee 22:41:42 octopode crusher (08x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 99-127 | AC/EV: 1/18 | Dam: 35, 1003(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | XP: 2235 | Sp: iron shot (3d29), tentacle throw [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:41:42 %?? octopode crusher 22:42:00 "ac and melee" is kind of a well-worn niche, though, and throwing is already one monster's gimmick 22:42:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:42:28 Maybe it can pin a player down, like nets, but if you break free of it, it is damaged? 22:43:01 Though since crabs can regenerate limbs, the crab would have quite alot of regeneration 22:43:18 well, it's probably not necessary to mimic every aspect of real-world crabs 22:43:32 True 22:44:00 plus, so far, between fire crabs, apocalypse crabs, and ghost crabs, the major theme of Crawl's crabs is "breathes clouds at you" 22:44:14 storm crabs 22:44:16 muhahahahahahaha 22:44:17 Maybe these ones breathe tides at you? 22:44:33 thin mist crabs 22:44:33 ?? tidal 22:44:33 I don't have a page labeled tidal in my learndb. 22:44:37 steam crabs 22:44:38 i m o 22:44:44 eventually acid crabs 22:44:44 What's the water evoc? 22:44:49 more like steamed crabs 22:44:52 ??phial of floods 22:44:52 phial of floods[1/1]: The water {elemental evoker}: hits monsters with a beam of water (damage and knockback), making a temporary shallow water pool. Also summons up to 3 {water elemental}s. 22:44:58 primal waves is the monster version 22:45:00 sort of 22:45:16 unlike phial, primal wave has 150 noise 22:45:27 I don't think it's a "sort of"; iirc phial actually uses primal wave as its beam 22:45:28 So it'd be like a merfolk aquamancer, but can take hits, and deal some too 22:45:40 storm crabs sound fun but that might just be because i like Arthropods and also Weather 22:45:41 but can't summon water elementals 22:45:52 -!- kipster has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:46:19 Dapper|Jho: merfolk aquamancers don't have much less hp than merfolk impalers 22:46:31 merfolk aquamancer (03m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 14 | HP: 52-73 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | XP: 913 | Sp: primal wave (3d20), steam ball (3d18), throw icicle (3d23), blink [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:46:31 %?? merfolk aquamancer 22:46:36 unknown monster: "merfolk impalers" 22:46:36 %?? merfolk impalers 22:46:43 merfolk impaler (08m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%; atk: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 63-86 | AC/EV: 0/18 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 1078 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:46:43 %?? merfolk impaler 22:47:29 so imo merfolk aquamancers are already merfolk aquamancers that can take hits 22:47:44 I don't think anything that can breathe storm clouds is good for anything short of zot or extended 22:47:47 ?? storm clouds 22:47:47 storm clouds ~ storm cloud[1/1]: Has a 1/4 chance of zapping things in it with lightning each turn and makes a lot of noise. 22:47:48 they're also the most damaging thing in shoals so i dunno what you mean by "deal some too" 22:47:59 ?? clouds 22:47:59 clouds[1/7]: Flame, freezing vapour, mephitic ({mephitic cloud}; AKA noxious fumes or stinking), poison, black/grey/purple/blue smoke, steam, foul pestilence ({miasma}), mist (swamp water), and occasionally bugginess. Of these, the smokes and mist are harmless, and they plus steam can block LOS as per {scroll of fog}. Also, there's the {book of clouds}. 22:48:01 ?? clouds [3 22:48:01 clouds[3/7]: Harmful clouds do damage proportional to how many auts you spent in them. So if you're a na of chei moving into shallow water, you get: !lg saintroka nawr god=cheibriados 1 x=dam 22:48:05 ?? clouds [7 22:48:05 clouds[7/7]: Fire/magma running into freezing cloud | cold running into flaming cloud deletes the cloud and decreases range by 5. Water/fountains create steam when fired over by fire/magma/hellfire, freezing cloud when fired over by sufficiently strong (xdy, x*y>35) cold. (Note cold excludes throw icicle.) 22:48:10 ?? clouds [6 22:48:10 scroll of fog[3/3]: Don't forget that an invisible, non-insubstantial, creature becomes a "disturbance" when in an opaque (smoke, forest fire, steam, ink, calcifying dust, holy flames) cloud. Could be handy against unseen horrors. 22:48:14 ?? clouds [5 22:48:14 clouds[5/7]: Clouds out of LoS dissipate 4x as fast, and fire over water or cold/rain over lava dissipates 4x as fast (both stack together). 22:48:23 ?? clouds [4 22:48:23 scroll of fog[2/3]: Any beam will have its to-hit reduced by 2 if it targets something in a cloud. 22:48:28 ?? clouds [2 22:48:28 cloud damage[1/1]: fire/forest fire/cold/holy flames/acid/negative energy: 10-32 dam if player, 6-21 dam if monster. ghostly flame: 4-18 dam. rain: 0-9 dam if 'fiery'. meph: 0-3 dam. poison: 0-10 dam. miasma: 0-12 dam. storm: 40-131 dam if player, 24-87 dam if monster. Average of 3 rolls (excp. poison/miasma/rain), Apply resistance, then apply AC, then multiply by auts/10 spent. 22:48:31 "fire over water or cold/rain over lava dissipates 4x as fast" what 22:48:35 how long has that been in the game 22:48:59 40-131 damage is ridiculous for either shoals or spider 22:49:11 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0/20141125180439]] 22:49:40 That one happens 1/4 of the time I think 22:50:07 Still, that hurts alot 22:50:38 AreBrandon: crystal spear doesn't get cast every turn but i bet you'd still be pissed if ancient liches were added to spider 22:51:17 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51:57 indeed 22:52:10 even if it was the monster version, it still overpowered 22:52:22 Most spellcasters would be one-shotted 22:52:33 *monster damage 22:54:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:52 sorry for mangling rune_parallel so much, grunt 23:01:43 backlog, once more I will remention formicid [aristocrats] 23:03:14 (formicid [nobles]) 23:03:18 but spider's non-humanoid theme! 23:03:52 are there plans for vine stalker monsters at any point, just out of curiosity 23:04:25 well, back when MarvinPA was active, he was kind of against just making monsters for player species just because 23:04:42 also since there are two monsters defined by antimagic a third will need something else 23:04:43 but we seem to have relaxed the standards a bit, so I wouldn't be surprised I guess 23:04:57 But, then we don't have the cool opening vault when you enter the dungeon 23:05:03 * theTower points at crushers 23:05:13 dapper|jho: those aren't Actually Monsters 23:05:13 well, the dummy monsters hardly count since they don't generate naturally 23:05:20 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:22 crushers were seen as a problem by him 23:05:30 so they're pretty much only ever used in the vaults that depict player characters 23:05:33 formicid geoformers 23:05:41 I'm fine with crushers since there's an explicit purpose to them 23:05:47 and tbf I understand the objection 23:05:54 certainly much better than the plain octopode use too 23:06:33 formicid surveyors 23:06:40 formicid foreman 23:07:11 vault-defined formicid warper. "It looks terribly depressed." 23:07:27 I would like for deep dwarfs to have a actual class like they used too: deep dwarf death knight, or maybe deep dwarf destroyer 23:07:35 Why? 23:07:35 they can use golubria, that's pretty fine 23:07:41 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:08:03 deep dwarves got cut because enemies that don't regenerate aren't tactically interesting 23:08:19 since you can leave and come back a hundred turns later and they're still half dead 23:08:32 (jorgrun gets away with no regenerating because he can kill you super hard [?]) 23:08:37 Grunt: deep dwarf chef, to use the cooking skill 23:08:42 so, they're zombies 23:08:48 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:56 zombies come with a necromancer, or are fast 23:09:07 (or you're in hells and there's not much of a chance to fudge around) 23:09:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:24 don't random zombies still spawn in crypt and maybe tomb 23:09:29 Deep Dwarf Beserker for the regeneration, Deep Dwarf Necromancers (make them have death's door) 23:09:40 pretend mummies using torment are like necromancers 23:09:48 deep dwarf berserker (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 49-86 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 548 | Sp: brothers in arms, trog's hand, berserker rage | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 23:09:48 %0.12?deep dwarf berserker 23:09:51 deep dwarf necromancer (12q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 24-51 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(56) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 284 | Sp: pain (d11), dispel undead (3d14), simulacrum, vampiric draining, agony | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 23:09:51 %0.12?deep dwarf necromancer 23:09:59 rip 23:10:05 i had a dumb idea about rmsl >.> 23:10:08 also eidola / death mages / revenants are necromancers 23:10:15 ontoclasm: no one has ever had a bad idea about rmsl! 23:10:28 you can't fire through deep dwarves okay 23:10:37 i'm pretty sure people have bad ideas about rmsl more often than they cast rmsl 23:10:52 I cast rmsl pretty often. 23:11:07 Deep Dwarf Necromancer spell set: vampiric draining, death's door, animate dead. 23:11:08 people in total, i mean 23:11:12 for what it's worth, gammafunk, I agree with mpa wrt being wary of player race enemies 23:11:28 the vanilla op enemies & the formicid enemies were really, really bad. 23:11:48 yeah, the basic complain boils down to "don't add an enemy basically for theme alone without a good design" 23:11:52 Dapper|Jho: You need to describe why adding these monsters would improve the game, particularly over adding a non-DD version which regenerates health. 23:12:30 Okay 23:12:50 good design and also a good role >_> 23:12:51 also you were just shown both of these monsters existed at some point. they were removed for a reason! 23:13:09 I'd include role in the design, as I'm not sure you can seperate those 23:13:16 what do you mean by rle 23:13:17 role 23:13:25 where put to do what with who 23:13:37 ah 23:13:57 like the spriggan baker fullfills critical early-game baking requirements 23:14:01 I dunno, "threat design" feels different from "threat placement and use"? 23:14:03 Pfft 23:14:09 !bake gammafunk 23:14:30 well, i feel like threat design would include designing the threat, which would require thinking about who it will be threatening 23:14:40 well, either way, think about both, even if they're the same thing 23:14:52 the spriggan baker is a horrible warning of the much later dangerous spriggans, obviously 23:14:57 Yes 23:15:07 just like summoning demons and then actually fighting demons 23:15:37 that baked spriggan corspe...soon it will be your corpse that is baked... 23:15:42 *corpse 23:16:12 Demonspawn Destroyers: Demonspawn who worship Qazlal, and thus have clouds eternally surrounding them, they can throw large blasts of random elements, or summon elementals from the very clouds that surround them 23:16:13 "remember those moths of wrath how about seeing them allllllll the time in a branch" 23:16:27 tisk tisk 23:16:27 gammafunk: http://static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/1/3/2/large2/231560.jpg 23:16:39 the demonspawn principle is "worship two gods obliquely" unless it's xom 23:16:40 erry day 23:17:35 gammafunk: maybe it's time i drew another mummy comic 23:17:38 Well, make it Fedhas and Qazlal, they get to keep blasting invos, but they also can create plants from the falling to hamper the player 23:17:41 (also, since when do demonspawn classes mention "demonspawn" in their name) 23:18:04 Demonspawn is a placeholder for the demonspawn variant 23:18:12 [foo] 23:18:47 so, it's one part blood saint and one part corrupter 23:18:57 except with less randomness from either's parts 23:19:49 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:20:08 They can also create water and cast corona 23:20:39 Call them [foo] terramorphers 23:20:49 Though that sounds like a earth mage 23:21:11 terraformer 23:21:25 Yeah 23:21:40 ?? blood saint 23:21:40 blood saint[1/2]: 0.14 Makhleb/Vehumet Ds enemy class. Bad health and melee, casts {ephemeral infusion} and {legendary destruction}. 23:21:59 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 23:22:49 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3056-g2408add: Changelog through 0.16-a0-3055-gf5291b4 10(11 seconds ago, 1 file, 11+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2408add87463 23:22:51 formicid terraformers 23:22:51 yes 23:23:07 So terraformers would get Upheaval, grow plants, summon elementals, and ring of aqua 23:23:13 Demonspawn ones 23:23:14 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3055-gf5291b4 (34) 23:23:15 ha 23:23:45 I suppose, in the strictest of senses, elementals in pan might get an engulf once or twice 23:25:05 Got it! 23:25:10 [foo] Naturemancers! 23:25:19 * theTower rolls his eyes out of his sockets 23:25:59 * Dapper|Jho plucks the eyes from the ground, and feed them to Xom 23:26:06 This sounds like a great idea; once we simplify classed demonspawn by removing their "gelid" etc component, players will have enough conceptual space to learn & understand a new Pan monster type with four (!) unique abilities. 23:26:08 look, if you desperately want this representational nonsense, I've got the vaguest of plans to give zealots upheaval over hellfire/smite 23:26:10 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:21 ...actually, I'm not sure even then. 23:26:36 (and then make monks smite) 23:26:49 pleasingfungus: grow plants sounds similiar to thorn hunters, clearly just 3 23:26:52 !smite theTower 23:26:52 PleasingFungus gestures. Something smites theTower! 23:27:04 huh, need to remember that one for the next sequell duel 23:27:08 * Grunt calls down the wrath of NO GOD against PleasingFungus. Nothing smites PleasingFungus! 23:27:26 lol 23:27:33 What is this? The odyssey? 23:27:41 by "equally good at stabbing", do you mean "equally bad" 23:27:50 or does everything get lblade stabs 23:28:35 equally bad. 23:28:45 but that seemed unnecessarily negative. 23:28:50 gyre and gimble 23:28:57 oh, I should update the manual 23:29:01 or someone should 23:29:20 -!- cr0ne has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:01 do gyre and gimble have doll tiles 23:31:18 latest does-too-much combination of bad ideas: http://sprunge.us/bVdG 23:31:30 I should go to sleep before I get even loopier and come up with even worse ideas 23:31:53 Same here 23:31:54 Night 23:32:21 ahahaha wow those spell rates 23:32:31 * Dapper|Jho with a tip of his top hat, and a rub of his monocle, Dapper|Jho takes a bow and leaves via stage right 23:32:33 I do suppose the breath timer helps but 23:32:36 -!- Dapper|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:33:19 redback (05s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 21-33 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 1804(strong poison:33-58) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 219 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 23:33:19 %??redback 23:33:26 oh, 12 is indeed slower 23:33:40 12 is cockroach speed, for reference 23:33:50 I am vaguely adamant about not adding another kind of spider 23:34:00 yeah, that language of "slower" in the monster descript is maybe a bit misleading 23:34:08 since the player might thing "slower than me" 23:34:16 for starters, having to describe that speed as such 23:34:19 ghost moth (06y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 13 | HP: 56-88 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 1802(drain stat), 1802(drain stat), 1204(strong poison:47-84) | fly | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1699 | Sp: draining gaze [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 23:34:19 %??ghost moth 23:34:41 theTower: remove [no adjective] spiders to compensate 23:34:55 ;_; 23:35:29 oh never mind 23:35:32 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:35:34 I didn't read that descript very well 23:35:42 !lg * killer=spider 23:35:43 251. nefandi the Ducker (L9 VSWr of Ru), succumbed to a spider's poison on D:8 (hangedman_pestilent_swarm) on 2014-12-09 03:45:05, with 2390 points after 6534 turns and 0:48:18. 23:35:46 heh 23:35:51 clearly just call them storm striders 23:35:56 !vault pestilent_swarm 23:35:57 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/food.des;hb=HEAD#l165 23:35:58 yeah spiders can kill you 23:36:05 spider (10s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-29 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 1008(poison:10-20) | web sense | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 132 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 23:36:05 %??spider 23:36:08 then you further emphasize the pun without the whole spider bit 23:36:09 sure 23:36:09 okay, maybe i'll finally remember it this time 23:36:15 how do i make urands in wizmode 23:36:22 &o and then what 23:36:22 fruit unrand:gyre_and_gimble 23:36:28 (any base item will work) 23:36:35 ontoclasm: Just type the name. 23:36:35 (alternatively, &|) 23:36:36 (canonically this was a choko but rip) 23:37:28 from &o you can also select the correct base type and then type the unrand name 23:37:57 but then you have to remember silly rules like the ""s 23:38:08 just use &| and look in the pile 23:38:09 okay 23:38:12 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:46:25 silly rules? it takes partial matches 23:49:37 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-8-december-2014 23:51:00 * reaverb doesn't know if he should mention the Maurice time machine thing isn't on there. 23:52:45 glow in the dark 23:53:14 M_BACKLIGHT ? 23:53:30 BA!source mon-data.h 23:53:35 !source mon-data.h 23:53:35 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h;hb=HEAD 23:53:53 "excepting felid claws, which now stab as well as shortblades." whoa 23:53:59 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:54:04 !apt fe hexes 23:54:05 Fe (SK_HEXES)=4! 23:54:08 !!!! 23:54:38 read: are you getting 23:54:45 hexcited 23:54:48 FeEn-dish ideas 23:54:51 .... 23:54:55 wow 23:55:00 I am sorry 23:55:02 but grunt isn't 23:55:05 haha 23:55:28 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:36 !apt fe stealth 23:55:36 Fe (SK_STEALTH)=4 23:55:40 Surprised Fe share Hexes=+4 w/Vp 23:55:49 Yeah it seems a bit odd. 23:57:35 theTower: Yeah, hell rats have M_GLOWS_LIGHT now. 23:57:50 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-3057-g4aec31c: Don't special-case some actors to not fumble in water 10(80 minutes ago, 6 files, 3+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4aec31c2756c 23:59:11 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host]