00:00:02 ideally pick otherwise unused glyphs 00:00:17 say J for one 00:00:23 NSUBST: J = 2:0 / *:. 00:00:54 <|amethyst> the order of nsubst always makes me do a double-take 00:01:02 what is a good rule of thumb for how many 8s to add to a depths vault? 00:01:13 obv it depends 00:01:17 <|amethyst> particularly when the substitute is a digit glyph 00:01:27 -!- Manslay| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:30 |amethyst: yeah you could do that but it feels inefficient in some sense. I kind of wonder if you could have, say, a/b/c/d for each grouping, do some sort of shuffle witchcraft, and then have each separately have a chance to appear - so you only have (max group size) number of substs rather than (num groups) 00:01:55 that was re "use a different letter for each clump" 00:01:56 idk. maybe I should restrict this to what I can actually do right now 00:01:56 and let hangedman refactor it later if he so pleases 00:03:21 <|amethyst> I don't think that shuffle witchcraft would work, because it wouldn't know to maintain the same number of each letter within a clump 00:03:27 <|amethyst> because it wouldn't know about clumps 00:03:39 maybe 00:03:45 idk, I don't have this clear in my head 00:03:52 <|amethyst> I mean, you could just shuffle a b c and d, but then which monster is missing in clump 1 tells you which will be missing in clump 2 00:03:56 -!- kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:57 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2981-g9cd70b2 (34) 00:04:17 |amethyst: yeah that would be where the witchcraft comes in, and it's possible there's no way to reconcile witchcraft with goals here 00:04:20 <|amethyst> if that's acceptible then it's just one shuffle and four substs 00:04:26 -!- Manslay[work] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:42 <|amethyst> SHUFFLE: abcd (don't use those letters obviously) 00:04:49 would it be rude to use 1-7 for my groups, or is there another good set of glyphs to use? 00:05:09 difficult to search syntax.txt for single letters 00:05:12 <|amethyst> SUBST: ab=0 cd=. 00:05:49 <|amethyst> as long as you don't use MONS: I think 1-7 are fine 00:05:53 |amethyst: ya I got that but I think I'm doing a cruder (?) thing instead 00:05:55 ok 00:08:58 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:10:00 -!- Manslay| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:55 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:11:53 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:12:04 I can't remember how to place a monster on top of a thing 00:12:08 or a thing on top of a thing 00:12:11 in general 00:13:34 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:55 can I say "kmons: _ = 8"? 00:14:02 KITEM and KMONS is one way 00:14:22 -!- liquidsnake has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:14:35 I think that would work too if KFEAT _ is your altar 00:14:49 is there some order I have to put them in? 00:14:52 the panic beginsL https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14327 00:14:52 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:16:22 :/ 00:16:28 no stress, please. 00:16:30 PleasingFungus: I don't think so. but I'm barely qualified. 00:16:33 this is something we are on top of. 00:17:12 If you K something, it erases whatever that glyph normally stands for, but you can stack multiple K on one glyph. 00:17:27 KMONS: _ = 8 00:17:29 KFEAT: _ = altar_cheibriados 00:17:30 -!- dead_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17:31 So KFEAT: _ = altar_cheibriados / KMONS: _ = 8 will do exactly what you expect 00:17:35 yes 00:17:41 excellent. 00:17:56 ok, loot still needs to be placed, but let me test this first. 00:18:08 I wish I was at my computer right now. I'm in the mood to work on vaults 00:18:36 !send his computer johnstein 00:18:36 Sending johnstein to his computer. 00:19:22 Grunt: that big ass spider vault. you think the fancy floor pattern stuff is ok to leave in? 00:19:56 you will have to remind me what that is 00:19:59 I was thinking of chopping off the legs to make it smaller but leaving the part with the floor 00:20:23 you don't have my WIP vaults committed to memory?!? 00:21:16 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/spider.des 00:21:22 at bottom 00:22:02 "I was thinking of chopping off the legs" <- rude dude 00:22:26 it's a fun looking vault in game. it's just Huuuuge 00:22:47 fwiw: don't aim for fun-looking 00:22:50 aim for fun-playing 00:22:54 but I couldn't get it to look right with it smaller. 00:23:12 yea. felt like I was slipping down into a vault-making trap 00:23:26 ok 00:23:55 !send Grunt that suspiciously grunt-like skull and crossbones crypt end 00:23:56 Sending that suspiciously grunt-like skull and crossbones crypt end to Grunt. 00:24:03 (which is what the spidervault most reminds me of on first sight) 00:24:27 !lg * kmap~~pf_torpor 00:24:27 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:24:28 8. osklington the Whirler (L13 HaHu of Okawaru), mangled by an eight-headed hydra (kmap: pf_torpor_hydra) on Lair:5 on 2014-11-24 01:31:32, with 24796 points after 19301 turns and 3:49:56. 00:24:32 osklington, eh 00:24:39 !tv * kmap~~pf_torpor 00:24:39 8. osklington, XL13 HaHu, T:19301 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:24:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:25:01 he was under penance 00:25:02 ! 00:25:10 !log * kmap~~pf_torpor 00:25:10 8. osklington, XL13 HaHu, T:19301: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/osklington/morgue-osklington-20141124-013132.txt 00:25:17 PleasingFungus: that was actually one of my inspirations 00:26:36 ouch 00:28:01 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:28:34 dang, this vault is a heck of a lot larger than I'd realized 00:28:35 hm 00:29:24 http://i.imgur.com/JpGUbx9.png I feel like it could use some more enemies tbh 00:29:28 and/or some bands 00:31:55 this is very odd. If I say '0 band' instead of '0', I get glass or crystal instead of monsters. 00:32:18 <|amethyst> say where? 00:32:24 oh god, it's using the literal characters in "band" 00:32:41 |amethyst: e.g. NSUBST: 2 = 5:0 band / *:. 00:37:33 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:33 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please 00:37:33 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 00:37:34 mega spooky 00:38:38 <|amethyst> FR: give dragons and trolls 48-pixel tiles 00:38:52 <|amethyst> (and giants etc etc) 00:39:07 those troll tiles look so familiar but im not sure why 00:39:59 Y - Blood fountain (use sparingly!) 00:41:53 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:58 -!- read has quit [Changing host] 00:41:59 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:12 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:48:13 hm. yeah, scythes are definitely generating as random floor loot. 00:49:52 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:51:11 they have a nonzero rarity/commonness value, which means they're expected to generate normally, and that's been true since at least 2006. 00:51:21 (same value, 2.) 00:52:06 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:06 The build has errored. (master - e6f431b #982 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/43063154 00:52:06 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:53:52 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:33 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:59:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:00:55 http://sprunge.us/LCMC current statues, if anyone was interested 01:01:05 it's looking pretty good, though there is a slight chance of multiple caustic shrike bands 01:01:07 which is pretty funny 01:01:18 *current statues 01:03:28 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:04:52 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:07:44 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:11:01 -!- winlu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:14:38 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 37.0a1/20141201030207]] 01:16:07 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:18:52 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:26:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:35 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:30:52 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:37:24 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:36 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:43:35 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:41 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:40 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:56 oh my god, did pleasingfungus actually design a goddamn vault by pixel colours 01:54:24 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 01:54:53 it is a shame I missed him I was going to mock that so much 01:55:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:55:46 -!- witty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:55:46 -!- witty has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:55:56 almost all my vaults after a certain point were made in gimp 01:57:13 I don't think he passed that certain point yet! 01:57:48 (a better vaultedit would really do wonders, huh) 02:02:55 -!- ruwin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:59 -!- Kashira has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:07:09 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:11:35 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 02:12:48 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Client Quit] 02:14:05 !seen johnstein 02:14:05 I last saw johnstein at Fri Dec 5 06:35:33 2014 UTC (1h 38m 32s ago) saying 'looks challenging' on ##crawl-dev. 02:15:53 pleh, I guess I will have to wait. 02:22:03 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 02:22:26 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2981-g9cd70b2 (34) 02:22:33 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:23:58 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:26:29 -!- MaryPoppins is now known as Adeon 02:28:54 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:31:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:35:23 any armour good_item ego:ponderousness 02:35:30 pf_oxymoron 02:39:58 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:41:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:52:08 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:56:13 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:07 -!- rax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:59:13 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:59:51 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:25 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:05:16 -!- kipster has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:07:41 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:18:25 inspector071 (L27 MfMo) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(m.type)) in 'tags.cc' at line 5119 failed. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 04:39:22 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:42:30 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:46:57 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:53:31 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:25 !seen |amethyst 05:19:25 I last saw |amethyst at Fri Dec 5 06:38:52 2014 UTC (4h 40m 32s ago) saying '(and giants etc etc)' on ##crawl-dev. 05:19:33 Hm. 05:21:03 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23:27 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:27:10 -!- Kashira has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:28:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:33:50 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:41:37 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 05:48:20 -!- PsyMar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:32 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:43 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 05:58:17 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:58:25 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 06:06:37 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09:13 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:17:24 -!- glamas- has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:17:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:26 -!- glamas- has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:25:51 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27:42 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:28:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:38:07 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:17 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:53:30 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:53:50 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:54:58 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:01:10 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:40 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:05:46 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:06:46 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:11:18 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:20:21 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:23:21 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 07:31:58 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:37:40 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:00 !seen |amethyst 07:38:00 I last saw |amethyst at Fri Dec 5 06:38:52 2014 UTC (6h 59m 8s ago) saying '(and giants etc etc)' on ##crawl-dev. 07:38:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:52 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:41:04 !tell thetower pleasingfungus has a habit of linking his works in progress as pngs 07:41:04 wheals: OK, I'll let thetower know. 07:41:47 !learn add reserved_clan_names sultanas of swing [wheals] 07:41:47 reserved clan names[4/4]: sultanas of swing [wheals] 07:44:09 !learn add reserved_clan_names The Devteam Shrikes Back [wheals, courtesy of tabstorm] 07:44:10 reserved clan names[5/5]: The Devteam Shrikes Back [wheals, courtesy of tabstorm] 07:44:15 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:46:28 aaaand now I'm trying to build something based on shirking / shriking 07:47:54 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:58:17 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:02:44 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:07:33 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:09:13 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 08:25:36 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:26 -!- rossi has quit [Client Quit] 08:47:12 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:15 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:50:06 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ is now known as Twiggytwiggytwig 08:55:55 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:02:02 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:02:06 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:09 ??reserved_clan_names[1 09:06:10 reserved clan names[1/5]: HuAr_you_HuHu_HuHu [|amethyst] 09:06:12 ??reserved_clan_names[2 09:06:12 reserved clan names[2/5]: 098 vaults [gammafunk] 09:06:14 ??reserved_clan_names[3 09:06:14 reserved clan names[3/5]: Tautological Constants [gammafunk] 09:08:09 clandestiny 09:08:12 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:08:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11:15 geekosaur: Shriking: Our Duty? 09:11:15 Lasty_: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:13:53 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:17:55 Speaking of which . . . 09:17:57 !shrikekills 09:17:59 39. liarnose the Impregnable (L25 MiAK of Lugonu), slain by a caustic shrike on Depths:5 on 2014-12-04 12:40:31, with 532430 points after 92540 turns and 7:11:30. 09:18:14 ??shriking 09:18:14 I don't have a page labeled shriking in my learndb. Did you mean: striking, shrike. 09:18:19 I have no idea. 09:18:24 why shriking? 09:18:38 pun on shirking 09:18:55 ah 09:26:23 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:07 !tell |amethyst could you look at the static functions in 1e85cf02 (in tags.cc) and see if you could turn them into lambdas somehow? 09:28:07 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 09:29:54 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:30:26 -!- maera has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:43:42 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:45:27 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:04 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:50:13 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:50:53 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:56:05 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:25 -!- zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:01:29 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:06:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:08:37 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:06 -!- MackTheFife has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:11:02 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:11:32 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:12:08 -!- Amy is now known as Guest29915 10:13:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:13:35 -!- Guest4956 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:13:56 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:15 -!- maera has left ##crawl-dev 10:15:49 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:11 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:25 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:14 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:15 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:29:20 !tell theTower I am unmockable! I am serene & ideal. 10:29:20 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let thetower know. 10:29:25 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:29:57 .gmap 10:30:03 87. monstruo the Thaumaturge (L11 HEFE of Sif Muna), blasted by a lindwurm (blast of flame) on Lair:3 (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake) on 2014-12-04 21:33:43, with 11899 points after 16844 turns and 1:33:17. 10:30:06 one of my own... 10:30:21 .elrank 10:30:21 1249 games for * (br=lair lvl>2 lvl<8 kmap!~entry kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_ kmap!~altar kmap!=): 72x bobbens_ice_dragon_lair, 70x gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake, 57x ice2_lemuel, 48x dpeg_oklob_gauntlet, 47x dragon1_lemuel, 42x forest_paths, 41x minmay_lindwurm_lava, 36x minmay_lair_drake_nest, 34x kilobyte_rumbling_trees, 32x grunt_megastairs_2, 32x worms_lemuel, 30x grunt_megastairs_3, 30x minmay... 10:30:26 two more... 10:30:49 .gmap -tv 10:30:56 87. monstruo, XL11 HEFE, T:16844 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 10:31:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:14 ahaha 10:32:22 ....boo! 10:32:42 .gmap x=dam,tdam 10:32:49 87. [dam=44;tdam=44] monstruo the Thaumaturge (L11 HEFE of Sif Muna), blasted by a lindwurm (blast of flame) on Lair:3 (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake) on 2014-12-04 21:33:43, with 11899 points after 16844 turns and 1:33:17. 10:33:28 pew 10:33:35 .gmap x=dam,tdam,mhp 10:33:42 87. [dam=44;tdam=44;mhp=61] monstruo the Thaumaturge (L11 HEFE of Sif Muna), blasted by a lindwurm (blast of flame) on Lair:3 (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake) on 2014-12-04 21:33:43, with 11899 points after 16844 turns and 1:33:17. 10:33:50 he could have rested 10:33:53 before peaking 10:33:56 but NOPE! 10:34:10 should have went with a better race & god 10:34:23 !xxx wheals 10:34:23 gammafunk gestures wildly while chanting. 12 tentacled monstrosities appear! The tentacled monstrosity tentacle-slaps wheals! x12 10:34:34 !dragonscall wheals 10:34:35 gammafunk calls out to the draconic realm, and the dragon horde roars back! The golden dragon tramples wheals!!! x3 10:34:38 !haunt wheals 10:34:38 gammafunk points at wheals and mumbles some strange words Insubstantial figures form in the air. The freezing wraith hits wheals! x3 The phantasmal warrior hits wheals! x5 10:34:48 * wheals appears unharmed. 10:36:18 !lg devteamnp s=species !boring 10:36:18 51451 games for devteamnp (!boring): 4902x Spriggan, 4292x Demonspawn, 3425x Deep Elf, 3057x Octopode, 2961x High Elf, 2394x Hill Orc, 2367x Merfolk, 2297x Mummy, 1797x Naga, 1467x Vampire, 1449x Kobold, 1449x Troll, 1437x Halfling, 1361x Mountain Dwarf, 1354x Human, 1346x Demigod, 1343x Ogre, 1325x Draconian, 1288x Sludge Elf, 1242x Minotaur, 948x Kenku, 907x Deep Dwarf, 868x Tengu, 826x Ghoul, 7... 10:36:39 HE no. 5, pre good 10:37:15 !lg devteamnp HE-- s=name !boring 10:37:16 2961 games for devteamnp (HE-- !boring): 1029x gammafunk, 488x Neil, 400x wheals, 194x SGrunt, 151x 78291, 127x erisdiscordia, 72x MarvinPA, 58x sorear, 52x KiloByte, 49x evilmike, 49x rob, 35x dpeg, 29x pointless, 27x ontoclasm, 27x bh, 23x elliptic, 22x evktalo, 20x mumra, 20x bookofjude, 19x doy, 15x SamB, 15x itsmu, 13x Medar, 11x PleasingFungus, 7x Zaba, 5x Lasty, 2x edlothiol, felirx, haranp 10:37:27 1/3 of all HE, nice 10:37:39 all devteam he* 10:37:39 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 10:38:00 !lg * HE-- s=name !boring 10:38:02 155538 games for * (HE-- !boring): 2376x striker, 2141x Faydane, 1805x zazu2006, 1746x Camkitsune, 1361x LogicNinja, 1267x soul, 1029x EatsDungeonBats, 1029x gammafunk, 1017x aori, 963x hymie, 925x Darmok, 914x Orfax, 862x Arielle, 677x AnalyticBranch, 647x pokeman, 646x heteroy, 608x BirdoPrey, 571x jejorda2, 531x shupac, 524x Luterac, 509x adamzap, 488x Neil, 485x Johan, 481x oxeimon, 472x johnn... 10:38:15 !gamesby logicninja he-- 10:38:15 logicninja (he--) has played 1552 games, between 2012-12-10 09:18:22 and 2014-12-05 10:36:48, won 1 (0.1%), high score 11486126, total score 26565342, total turns 7650168, play-time/day 0:27:44, total time 13d+23:38:55. 10:38:23 similar winrate 10:38:28 but 10:38:40 !hs logicninja he-- 10:38:41 1552. LogicNinja the Talismancer (L27 HECj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-09-03 21:41:23, with 11486126 points after 143889 turns and 8:33:37. 10:38:47 terrible score 10:39:03 !hs gammafunk he-- 10:39:04 1733. gammafunk the Genius of the Arcane (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-10-19 22:10:40, with 24084354 points after 61517 turns and 17:44:43. 10:39:11 barely twice as fast 10:39:19 you need to do better!!! 10:39:21 barely twice? good math 10:39:36 and of course 10:39:39 what 10:39:40 !hs * place=d:1 10:39:42 1053368. gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34. 10:39:49 that's my real best 10:39:54 sure, whatever you say 10:39:56 mr quitter 10:40:19 !calc 143889.0 / 61517.0 10:40:19 2.34 10:40:33 only a programmer bad at math would call 2.34 "barely twice" 10:40:43 but then again U.S. educational system... 10:41:40 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 10:44:34 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:45:41 PleasingFungus: I saw your post on gdd re the single player account login; has actual progress been made there? 10:45:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:46:37 I was summarizing the outcome of our last conversation 10:46:42 I have EXTREME confidence. 10:47:11 oh, that's... 10:47:36 I don't think bh is really serious about running a login server; he doesn't really have the time 10:47:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:48:16 -!- glamas- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:48:26 or rather he might help a bit with setup, but it'd take a responsive admin since it breaking would potentially mess up games everywhere 10:48:52 probably caching can help a lot there in terms of stability, but I don't have much experience with this kind of thing 10:48:57 I am not relying on bh specifically. 10:49:09 the bh cost!!! 10:49:11 I was hoping to talk to him at some point, since i know he has opinions. 10:49:43 it would be very lovely to have 10:50:10 I wonder how we can resolve accounts that are currently in use by multiple individuals, like...Patashu I think it was? 10:50:14 !nick patashu 10:50:14 Mapping patashu => (!ckr) patashu patashucore hyperpatashu 10:50:16 yeah 10:50:23 !lg patashu ckr 10:50:23 No games for patashu (ckr). 10:50:25 hm 10:50:29 not sure how to override the nick 10:50:38 !lg * name=patashu ckr 10:50:39 3. Patashu the Sneak (L2 TeEn), slain by a worker ant on D:4 on 2014-07-10 00:41:20, with 8 points after 164 turns and 0:01:05. 10:50:56 currently is a strong term 10:51:08 anyway I think there will be some cases we have to mediate manually, but that is solvable. 10:51:19 well that's one example, and I have no idea how many instances of this there are 10:51:31 there's not really a way to know aside from...hrm 10:51:34 actually 10:51:37 ? 10:51:37 ??nick 10:51:38 nick ~ !nick[1/3]: !nick to add; remember to include !nick as this isn't included by default! !nick -rm to remove all nick mappings. !nick -rm to remove from the nick mapping. 10:51:41 ??nick[2 10:51:41 nick ~ !nick[2/3]: If a nick mapping is too long to fit in a single entry (e.g. !nick greatplayers), you can do .echo $(nick-aliases greatplayers) in PM to see the full list. 10:51:43 ??nick[3 10:51:44 nick ~ !nick[3/3]: https://loom.shalott.org/nickmap.txt 10:52:23 well...he's the only instance in the nick db of someone excluding a server 10:52:32 so I guess that bodes well 10:52:44 ya 10:52:45 PleasingFungus: nick[3] is the live nick db I use for e.g. player titles 10:53:06 Ultra High Tech Database Science 10:53:06 I think that there will certainly be more cases, but I'm also quite certain it's a solvable problem. 10:53:18 yeah it's clearly not an epidemic 10:53:47 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:53:49 we'll probably have more problems the longer we wait, of course, but not much to be done about that besides what we're doing 10:54:11 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:29 well no single signon has worked for many years now, but the times they are a changin 10:54:32 I kind of wish we didn't have to roll our own system (that we could use openid or some goofy shit like that), but I don't know how you'd link between that and existing accounts 10:55:09 I think part of the problem is we want something that can always fallback to local cache 10:55:21 ah, do we? wasn't aware that was a requirement 10:55:37 unless we're talking about supporting non-official servers, which I think shouldn't be bound to this system in any case 10:56:05 hrm, I guess we could actually require the authentication system to always be working if a Real Company was backing it 10:56:22 ??greatplayers 10:56:22 greatplayers[1/2]: Players who have won every currently available to play race. Lifetime membership once you get in! 10:57:04 ??okplayers 10:57:05 I don't have a page labeled okplayers in my learndb. Did you mean: !players, players. 10:57:09 well 10:57:52 ??gammaplayers 10:57:52 I don't have a page labeled gammaplayers in my learndb. 10:58:31 that's ??almost_entirely_outstandingplayers 10:58:32 mm. idk. I'm not sure why you're connecting "using a third-party id solution instead of our own home-rolled central id server" to "can we fall back to local cache". I'm not sure that there's a strong connection between those things 10:59:01 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:59:05 -!- trystero has quit [Client Quit] 10:59:21 no, the connection is this: if this system fails, whatever it is, should that mean players can play their games even if e.g. the webtiles server itself is fine 10:59:46 I don't think we're communicating here at all. 10:59:49 the connection has failed. 10:59:53 won't that still allow abuse? 11:00:07 no, since registrations would def. require it to be working 11:00:15 and game data can just get synced later 11:00:32 oh. local cache meaning the webtiles server can still authenticate 11:00:33 I mean that will still have to happen through logfiles/milestones 11:00:36 right 11:00:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:01:42 yea those files will still get updated 11:02:26 I was making the connection between the third-party system because if the system is more turn-key with a company behind it providing technical support, there's no equivalent of e.g. r.x or nap.kin we need to turn to in order to admin the system 11:02:37 !tell |amethyst when do options get reloaded while running? there's nothing in the manual about it. I'd like to test my feature override code to make sure it does the right thing 11:02:38 ebering: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 11:02:51 !tell |amethyst it does the right thing at load, at least 11:02:52 ebering: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 11:03:03 i think crawl.setopt 11:03:39 I was surprised to learn not all servers were set up identically 11:04:05 since when I set up cbro, I knew cszo and clan used the same setup. I just extrapolated 11:04:06 yeah, I mean what we provide is basically "help setting up a server in a way that's reasonable", and by we I really mean |amethyst 11:04:41 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:24 -!- Maera has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:28 -!- Maera has left ##crawl-dev 11:08:38 idk. *could* we set up some reasonable map between existing nicks and third-party accounts? we were talking about making the oldest account across all servers canonical (by default)... deploy a list to all servers, tell people they must log in on the first server they set up their account on to link it with openid, then... hm. it feels like we still end up needing our own server to sync the... 11:08:39 ...mappings 11:11:46 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12:17 Your tendrils lash around the orc's !bad item (cl:100,ty:0,pl:0,pl2:0,sp:0,qu:0) and pull it to the ground! 11:14:04 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15:10 !blame Whistling_Bread 11:15:11 I pronounce Whistling_Bread... Guilty! 11:15:12 erp 11:15:18 owned by tab-complete 11:15:34 AreBrandon: anyway, toss it up on mantis and I'll get wheals to have a look or s/t 11:16:17 Will do 11:18:18 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:11 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:36 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:23 -!- Sharkman1231 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:01 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2981-g9cd70b2 (34) 11:24:12 it's wheals! 11:25:07 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:25:09 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:19 hiho 11:25:43 !send PleasingFungus a potion of bad item 11:25:43 Sending a potion of bad item to PleasingFungus. 11:25:49 oh 11:26:00 DEAD MONSTER hits you with a !bad item but does no damage. 11:26:21 PleasingFungus: was it wielding anything 11:26:41 how would I know???? 11:27:08 ask AreBrandon imo 11:28:27 !bad item error with Jiyva tendrils mutation. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9300 by RBrandon 11:29:48 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:29:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:10 oh 11:30:19 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:37 is !bad item a good or merely ok item? 11:32:01 unbad 11:32:11 ok qualifies imo 11:33:27 a - the +1 short sword Okawaru's Shrug {flame, rN+, Dex+1} 11:33:34 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:09 pleasingfungus: 11:34:24 I will literally go ahead and add about two lines of comments to every other vault 11:34:34 before I let you commit a vault with a comment for every line. 11:35:07 dang 11:35:33 the dreaded PleasingFungus vault refactoring! 11:36:03 theTower: it's like a comment for every three lines 11:36:23 ...and 3^3 is? 11:36:31 close enough 11:36:46 you will take my comments from my cold dead hands 11:36:53 Born 2 Comment 11:36:56 challenge accepted. 11:36:57 ^ bumper sticker 11:36:59 badass 11:36:59 nooo 11:37:07 gammafunk: there's like 11:37:10 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:37:11 flames coming off the tops of the letters 11:37:17 PleasingFungus has a sick doxygen tatoo 11:37:19 and a skull & crossbones at each end 11:37:33 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:37:54 ☠BORN 2 COMMENT☠ 11:38:25 funny thing I'm 100% certain people have gotten "programming language comment" tattoos 11:38:30 oh I'm sure 11:38:41 theTower: anyway. my current feeling is that I should either rune the doors or move the first group of enemies back a bit 11:38:46 since it's kind of an autoexplore trap otherwise 11:38:56 autoexplore traps, in depths???? 11:39:06 idk. it seems easy to fix 11:39:10 *rune the front doors 11:39:28 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:41 I am just always wary of runed doors 11:39:42 yeah I don't know how I feel about runed doors in depths vaults, since depths vaults are kind of very dangerous as a rule 11:39:58 you could argue for more use of runes doors, I guess 11:40:01 * PleasingFungus shrugs 11:40:08 can just move guys back 11:40:08 they were oversaturated in their first secret door replacement and I've never been sure they've dropped down to acceptable levels 11:40:27 also, I think I'm gonna move the goofy ponderous armour to the chei altar, fix the armour types (plate armour / crystal plate armour w:5 / gold dragon armour w:5 maybe? all ego:ponderousness), and slap an acquire any under the 8 11:40:38 which I think might get the loot to acceptable levels 11:40:59 right now it still feels super dangerous with not much reward, beyond xp I guess 11:40:59 PleasingFungus: if they're not double doors, noise will likely get through to those enemies pretty easilly, but that does depend on the specifics of the layout 11:41:13 *layout of the vault (although the layout of the level certainly plays a role) 11:41:22 oh, right, I was going to mention that 11:41:28 speaking of vault comments look at the one for sewer_co_cracked_pipes 11:41:36 another advantage of runing the front doors, but I'm fine with enemies from later parts of the vault coming into earlier ones as you fight 11:41:47 !vault sewer_co_cracked_pipes 11:41:48 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/sewer.des;hb=HEAD#l1118 11:41:48 the hell sheel SHELL needs to be thicker 11:42:16 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:42:17 # The harder rat nest also contains cheese and more loot. 11:42:19 rip 11:42:19 rip 11:42:28 theTower: the hell shell SHELL? 11:42:33 also the orange rat 11:42:34 what 11:42:35 spelling is hard. 11:42:45 the shell needs to be thicker 11:43:03 all of it, or just the outer part? 11:43:05 I read that vault title as "crack pipe" 11:43:27 outer part, the inner part being thin is fine 11:44:16 there's a lot of chance that noise will scatter the chamber arrangements otherwise 11:44:31 aight 11:44:32 (I mean, before you even see the vault) 11:44:34 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:24 even with the inner chamber thickness I made for water palace, all the games I've watch that finish it found most of the occupants awake already before they crossed the inner door 11:45:27 -!- cs_0x6373 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45:42 !vault gammafunk_depths_water_palace 11:45:42 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des;hb=HEAD#l2914 11:45:52 an inevitable consequence. 11:45:54 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:26 well, you've got something odd going on on the left center side of the inner chamber 11:46:30 there are single-tile walls for a small portion, and double-doors are not especially thick 11:46:59 PleasingFungus: there's an outer wall beyond that 11:47:16 that's a basically decorative chamber 11:47:19 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47:24 but at the top and bottom are single-tile segments 11:47:41 ... 11:47:43 UGU 11:47:45 obv. implement sound-proof walls 11:47:46 !crashlog inspector071 11:47:46 12. inspector071, XL27 MfMo, T:90205 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/inspector071/crash-inspector071-20141205-091856.txt 11:48:12 also, indeed, ugh, not using two glyphs for the 5s so that non-chamber spots don't have no_rtele_into 11:48:27 !source invalid_monster_type 11:48:28 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l895 11:48:33 wheals: I think someone needs to grab the save tbh 11:48:51 that should probably use an ASSERT_RANGE instead 11:49:16 yeah I noticed that, but those locations are so very sparse 11:49:55 stilllllll baddddddddd 11:50:54 pleasingfungus: honestly, putting each chamber's nsubst's into a line per each and a comment saying "allot specific monster counts in random spots with each chamber" will be phenomenally better than comments explaining nsubst lines 11:51:58 oh. also I forgot, my local draft has a torpor snail per chamber 11:52:01 er, per corridor 11:52:27 makes the subst lines slightly longer, since I swapped out one of the 0s 11:52:50 (about the multiple caustic shrikes, that's from 9 band because 9 band only has like four actual consequences in depths, caustic shrike band, spriggan defender / air mage band, and deep elf high priest band) 11:52:59 yeah I know 11:53:01 (I'm not sure if you want to keep that or not) 11:53:08 I think it's funny 11:53:16 * theTower rolls his eyes 11:53:20 bricks? 11:53:30 theTower: need more superdeep monsters 11:53:38 de high priest band is certainly weird 11:53:52 core wormsss 11:53:58 what's in that band? high priests are maybe the least dangerous high level elves 11:54:21 isn't a lone death mage pretty wimpy compared to hellfire 11:54:35 depends on your rn 11:54:41 deep elf death mage (16e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 55-77 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1119 | Sp: b.draining (3d22), vampiric draining, call lost soul, twisted resurrection | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:54:41 %??deep_elf_death_mage 11:54:45 high priests make the other deep elves join them in religious excursions anyway 11:55:12 also, more seriously, caustic shrikes need a place to spread their horrifying metallic wings and soar 11:55:15 (their bands are also used by preservers, it's mostly the non-top ones but with a chance for annihilator) 11:55:24 that place being one vault. 11:55:30 (well, okay, maybe like six) 11:55:33 ya 11:55:48 idk. 0 band helped a lot; possibly I don't also need 9 band 11:55:56 !rng band disband 11:55:57