00:01:52 !lg grunt fe-- 00:01:53 28. SGrunt the Plane Walker (L20 FeWz of Sif Muna), mangled by a spriggan berserker (a +0 antimagic war axe) on Depths:4 on 2014-12-03 02:08:39, with 324945 points after 144544 turns and 8:43:51. 00:01:59 er... 00:02:16 yes 00:02:19 rub it in 00:02:21 why don't you 00:02:21 >:( 00:02:51 Grunt: I was randomly telling tabstorm about it, since we were talking about oddly skilled chars 00:02:56 and he asked "did it die?" 00:03:13 and apparently, rip 00:07:43 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:43 The build passed. (pretty_shiny_sparkles - c3228e8 #958 : Steve Melenchuk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42942317 00:07:43 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:09:57 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:11:40 yay 00:11:42 my commits are 00:11:44 |amethyst: where's that commit you made that removed "untold damage"? 00:11:45 ~*~*~sparkly~*~*~ 00:11:51 Grunt: :) 00:11:55 sorry I squashed your commit 00:11:57 well 00:11:59 I mean, not really sorry 00:12:01 but you know 00:12:04 PleasingFungus: I almost wrote "untold damage" into the Fatal Attraction description 00:12:07 but decided not to 00:12:16 %git HEAD^{/align} 00:12:16 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-2848-gcaa0ce6: Improve(?) the message for entering a malign portal. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=caa0ce6dc9be 00:12:19 %git HEAD^{/align}^^{/align} 00:12:19 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-2846-g89b0ea9: Don't let trees enter malign portals. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=89b0ea9da0a4 00:12:23 oh 00:12:25 it's that first one 00:12:32 ya 00:12:48 !send PleasingFungus terrible forces 00:12:48 Sending terrible forces to PleasingFungus. 00:13:27 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2961-gc280d91 (34) 00:16:25 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 00:22:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:24:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:25:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:31:26 <|amethyst> !tell doy one nice specialisation of for_loop_wrapper would be class items_at : public for_loop_wrapper 00:31:26 |amethyst: OK, I'll let doy know. 00:32:10 <|amethyst> !tell doy err, I guess just a typedef is sufficient, no need for silly inheritance 00:32:10 |amethyst: OK, I'll let doy know. 00:33:02 <|amethyst> !tell doy (problem is, where's a good place to put it that #includes both libutil.h and items.h?) 00:33:02 |amethyst: OK, I'll let doy know. 00:34:10 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:34:20 -!- vimpulse has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:21 fr a spell that does untold damge 00:34:31 3dUntold 00:36:31 !send ontoclasm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00:36:31 Sending !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to ontoclasm. 00:36:51 unknown monster: "ushabti HD:1" 00:36:51 <|amethyst> %??ushabti HD:1 00:36:54 ushabti (078) | Spd: 8 | HD: 1 | HP: 5-8 | AC/EV: 9/6 | Dam: 30 | 11non-living, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1 | Sp: death rattle (2d4) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 00:36:54 <|amethyst> %??ushabti hd:1 00:37:01 <|amethyst> there you go, untold damage 00:37:47 <|amethyst> (I think that's the only monster beam spell that can do 2d4 damage) 00:38:11 ontoclasm: and, when you enter wizmode, you'd get the spell ("Infinitestrike") automatically. :) 00:38:27 unknown monster: "test spawner spellschain_lightning.200.wizard" 00:38:27 %??test spawner name:greater_lightning_spire n_rpl n_des col:electricity spellschain_lightning.200.wizard 00:38:34 greater lightning spire (11X) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%; 07stationary) | HD: 1000 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 127/127 | 11non-living, amphibious, spellcaster, regen | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 07acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 1 | Sp: chain lightning | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 00:38:34 %??test spawner name:greater_lightning_spire n_rpl n_des col:electricity spells:chain_lightning.200.wizard 00:38:54 <|amethyst> vimpulse: x+k 00:38:57 todo check the HD 1000 damage of chain lightning 00:39:13 <|amethyst> vimpulse: err, x, +, ctrl-k rather 00:39:34 <|amethyst> vimpulse: it's better than a spell because it doesn't even take a turn :) 00:39:43 |amethyst: Infinitestrike would still be more fun. You zap the monster out of existence!!!!!!!!! :) 00:39:45 5-95000 00:40:16 |amethyst: though, true, Ctrl+K is better for wizmode speedruns. 00:41:07 !fight test spawner name:greater_lightning_spire n_rpl n_des col:electricity spells:chain_lightning.200.wizard v test spawner 00:41:14 <|amethyst> Grunt: FR: LANG_GRUNT makes &G say something pithy like "SO MUCH BLOOD!" 00:41:16 er 00:41:21 !fight cancel 00:41:29 !fight test spawner name:greater_lightning_spire n_rpl n_des col:electricity spells:chain_lightning.200.wizard v test spawner arena:small 00:41:34 opinion: should paralysis end delays (putting on armour, eating food, climbing stairs...?) 00:41:42 <|amethyst> (difficulty: it normally says nothing) 00:41:45 that's @ grunt & @ |amethyst, I guess 00:42:02 !fight cancel 00:42:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm... probably not stair delays, probably yes to the others 00:42:22 -!- Schizzik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:42:26 PleasingFungus: hi :) would it be realistic for it to end _any_ delays? 00:42:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you don't want getting paralysed halfway up to force you to repeat the whole process 00:42:36 yeah 00:42:40 there's one case in particular I'm wondering about 00:42:51 well, easier to show than tell 00:43:07 This might work: You start climbing the stairs. You turn to stone. A turn passes. x4 You turn back into a living being. You finish climbing the stairs. 00:43:29 <|amethyst> isn't that what currently happens? 00:43:32 dunno 00:43:53 I believe it is, yes. 00:44:14 well, not with those exact messages. 00:44:30 <|amethyst> I think it does make sense to stop all delays but stairs and maybe shaft self 00:45:02 passwall? 00:45:02 I don't think it's unrealistic for an adventurer to start eating, get paralyzed, wait for some turns, become unparalyzed, then finish eating. 00:45:06 |amethyst: there's at least one other LANG_GRUNT-specific message elsewhere 00:45:12 vimpulse: why on earth would anyone care about realism? 00:45:14 so it's doable :) 00:45:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, yeah, probably passwall 00:45:20 ??realism 00:45:20 realism of crawl[1/15]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 00:45:53 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I mean, probably it shouldn't stop passwall 00:46:43 PleasingFungus: when the game acts more realistically and logically, it's easier for players to figure out how an effect (e.g. paralysis) will affect their character. 00:47:14 consistency is good, yes, but I think we tossed "realism" out the window somewhere around the D:1. 00:47:26 what with the hobgoblins, kobolds, magic spells, 00:47:32 |amethyst: yeah, I gotcha 00:47:37 <|amethyst> I would argue that, given the complexity of a computer program versus reality, "realistically" is different from, and often opposed to, "logically" 00:47:38 PleasingFungus: still, realism (when possible) will reduce the need for players to do source diving. 00:47:56 s/reallism/transparency/ 00:47:59 s/ll/l/ 00:48:14 I don't think "realism" is a remotely useful goal. "consistency", "intuitiveness", and, yes, "transparency" are important. 00:48:15 As long as the game explains itself adequately... 00:48:22 but "realism" is a red herring. 00:48:39 PleasingFungus: fair. "Intuitiveness" is a better goal than "realism". 00:48:47 <|amethyst> vimpulse: If you want to be realistic about temporary paralysis to the extent that players can use their intuitions.... you'll have to have players with epilepsy experience 00:49:09 <|amethyst> (and devs) 00:49:28 |amethyst: I wouldn't have thought that an epileptic seizure was a type of paralysis. I would have thought that it was a type of seizure. 00:50:06 Well we do have an obamacare minigame working in a git branch 00:50:13 <|amethyst> well, we don't have temporary magical paralysis in the real world, and that's probably one of the more common things that's remotely similar 00:50:16 navigate the pitfalls of the healthcare system 00:50:33 PleasingFungus: So you're asking if paralysis should end delays. My humble opinion is -- do whatever would be most intuitive to the majority of players. 00:50:33 <|amethyst> If you take realism too far, you end up with Dwarf Fortress 00:50:46 <|amethyst> that doesn't help 00:50:48 PleasingFungus: Unless it makes the game un-fun. 00:50:51 <|amethyst> what *is* more intuitive? 00:51:02 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:51:14 |amethyst: I would have thought that paralysis should pause the action; the end of paralysis should make the action resume. 00:51:17 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:22 |amethyst: To me, that's most intuitive. 00:52:05 |amethyst: Thank heavens, I've never been paralyzed. I'm simply using common sense. 00:52:24 <|amethyst> huh? 00:52:42 <|amethyst> well 00:52:56 so, the solution is to get some devs to take very selective cocktails of 00:53:10 <|amethyst> theTower: I approve 00:53:15 <|amethyst> curare 00:53:18 <|amethyst> atropine 00:53:21 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:53:27 does beer count? 00:53:42 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:43 that's for testing confusion and sleep 00:53:55 clearly !ambrosia 00:54:06 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:54:12 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:54:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2962-gb8e75e7: Refactor reading 10(50 minutes ago, 7 files, 179+ 108-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8e75e732132 00:54:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2963-gdda4581: Make Blurry Vision cause reading to take longer 10(19 minutes ago, 7 files, 66+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dda458198599 00:54:44 boom 00:54:57 it's a blast from the past, the reaper review! 00:55:00 or something like that. 00:55:51 <|amethyst> since we're adding delays 00:56:08 (I guess that would be a "bolt from the blue"... a blinkbolt?) 00:56:22 |amethyst: this was the delay I was wondering about wrt paralysis interrupting, btw 00:56:23 <|amethyst> need to either re-add the butchery delay, or make autobutcher chop everything 00:56:32 |amethyst: I believe wheals has a TODO for the former 00:56:43 imo nag him <_< 00:56:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm... that one is kind of tough since reading scrolls can mean many things 00:57:04 yeah exactly 00:57:19 reading enchant weapon and a lich steps around the corner and paras you? probably want to interrupt 00:57:35 reading blink and you get para'd midway through? you definitely want to finish that! 00:57:51 tbf, it's not *that* many turns either way 00:58:07 <|amethyst> hm 00:58:15 <|amethyst> what happens with damage? 00:58:20 how many turns does it take to read a scroll of blinking? 00:58:31 vimpulse: depends on how blurry your vision is! 00:58:31 <|amethyst> %git 00:58:31 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-2963-gdda4581: Make Blurry Vision cause reading to take longer 10(23 minutes ago, 7 files, 66+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dda458198599 00:58:34 <|amethyst> read 00:58:40 PleasingFungus: ah. 00:58:43 <|amethyst> normally it's just one turn 00:58:48 read: hi! 00:58:55 Stop reading your scroll of blinking? [y/n] 00:58:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:59:28 ^ That could work. 00:59:41 |amethyst: currently it's uninterruptible; I was poking around with a system like armour donning/shucking where you get one chance to cancel out 01:00:05 but it was firing that immediately, every time, supposedly in response to a message; I wasn't really sure why or what 01:01:02 inquiry, when's blurry mouth 01:01:18 it's already here! 01:01:22 thanks to reaverb 01:01:44 -!- crabman has quit [Client Quit] 01:01:44 ???? 01:01:53 blurry mouth?? 01:01:53 Remember when you woke up with that horrible taste in your mouth? It's like that, but *all the time.* 01:01:55 oops 01:02:00 hoist on my own dumb joke petard 01:02:03 %git :/lurry m 01:02:07 Could not find commit :/lurry m (git returned 128) 01:02:08 feh 01:02:10 anyway 01:02:12 If the player is reading a scroll which is tagged "emergency_item" (e.g. blink or teleport), or a scroll of recharging, then perhaps you can assume they want to continue. If they are 01:02:12 it's a gozag wrath effect 01:02:16 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 01:02:17 ohhhhhh 01:02:26 okay that makes sense 01:02:56 reading any enchant scroll, you can assume they don't. If they are reading an iffy scroll, you can ask the player what to do. 01:02:57 since he somehow turned into the god of gold and potions 01:03:13 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: probably the rule for paralysis interrupting should be the same as damage interrupting 01:03:34 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:03:50 There are only about 20 different kinds of scrolls. Someone could go through the list and decide what the game should do in each case. 01:03:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: including calling out to _userdef_interrupt_activity etc 01:04:02 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think otherwise it would be too confusing 01:04:20 plausible 01:04:34 btw, I dug up my earlier code, and it seems to be somehow interrupting itself before it starts 01:05:32 http://sprunge.us/eBba 01:05:46 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:05:48 if you cancel out, it claims to stop and then continues anyway 01:07:04 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:11:08 Perhaps an even nicer UI than "Continue reading the scroll?" would be this? "Do you want to [k]eep reading the scroll, or [s]top reading?" 01:11:22 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:59 Kind of like how modern word processors have switched from "Yes/No/Cancel" to "Save/Discard/Cancel". 01:14:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 37.0a1/20141201030207]] 01:16:38 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 01:17:34 hi. 01:18:02 -!- crabman has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:18:11 hi :) 01:19:22 I just realized that "war, destruction, escape" is a miserable trio of deck name descriptors 01:19:38 should figure out something better in the future 01:20:22 theTower: Escape is fine. It tells you what it (may) let you do. But "war" and "destruction" are sort of ambiguous. 01:20:49 earth wind and fire 01:21:07 this deck may let you war 01:21:23 what is even in war now 01:21:27 ??deck of war 01:21:27 deck of war[1/1]: Randomly (per-card) {deck of destruction}, {deck of summoning}, or {deck of battle}. In trunk, it won't pull from destruction decks. 01:21:37 ontoclasm: what's in war nowadays? drones. 01:21:49 fr: Sci-Fi Crawl 01:21:57 the deck of war never changes 01:22:01 summoning and buffs, yes 01:22:52 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:48 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:24:59 the documentation of cards never changes 01:27:25 "escape" is sort of a lie as well 01:27:56 -!- DrStalker has quit [] 01:29:09 escape because everything else got shafted 01:29:21 escape because your allies got hasted 01:29:48 escape because there are clouds everywhere 01:30:09 escape because here's a delayed full heal 01:30:30 probably the decks should have kind of abstract names 01:30:36 "deck of paths" or something 01:31:13 deck of emergency, deck of augmentation, deck of blasting 01:32:32 wrath 01:32:32 crisis 01:32:32 deck of Iskenderun 01:33:24 deck of glories 01:33:54 deck of spades 01:34:14 mmm 01:34:38 i still want you to somehow give me an excuse to draw the cards 01:37:08 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:18 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:38:37 -!- zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:40:19 -!- bullock has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:40:30 first, all description screens need to show the tile / glyph of the whatever being looked at, then decks need to have a book-like card look-up accessed in their description 01:40:46 then you can get away with drawing the actual cards 01:40:55 hah 01:41:22 yeah, get right on that, slacker!! 01:41:36 sorry, busy with hives 01:41:44 extremely high priority. 01:42:18 abuzz with activity? 01:42:51 abuzz with basilisks and hydras and other generic floorspawn 01:43:00 <|amethyst> He's just itching to get them in trunk 01:43:03 theTower: the chaosforge has good deck descriptions, which also describe each card that can be in that deck. See, for example: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Deck_of_wonders 01:43:23 ... 01:43:36 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:44:10 I am hyper aware of like 95% of everything involved in this 01:44:44 the most important bit is that since actual card descriptions and deck descriptions exist in the game they should be accessible? 01:44:57 rather than hidden in the already hidden look-up feature 01:45:27 ontoclasm: " http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Deck_of_wonders" 01:45:33 ...damnit, bad past 01:45:48 : "The card depicts absolutely nothing." 01:46:03 mmmm 01:47:04 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:47:13 "The card depicts a blacksmith raising a large hammer, shown from the perspective of the anvil." 01:47:59 "The card depicts the figures of great beasts lurking in a sandstorm." 01:48:10 I did not make this an easy task did I 01:49:23 "The card depicts something the brain refuses to register." 01:49:36 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:49:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:52:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:54:31 If I press yyyyy on my keyboard, to step northwest, and the game asks "Really walk into a travel-excluded area?", then an answer of lowercase 'y' is enough to make my character keep walking. :( 01:57:20 !learn add ##crawl-admin Channel for server-operators. Feel free to join if you wish to set up a server (community or not). 01:57:20 ##crawl-admin[1/1]: Channel for server-operators. Feel free to join if you wish to set up a server (community or not). 01:57:21 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:01:37 -!- witty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01:37 -!- witty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:04:42 theTower: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/wraith.png 02:05:11 vimpulse: I wonder if it'd make sense to check if the last key pressed was a lowercase 'y' ... 02:05:15 impressive 02:05:24 i worked super hard 02:05:30 -!- Chapayev has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:06:14 it will be compensated in effort by drawing repulsiveness 02:06:49 Keskitalo: I think that would be a good solution. 02:07:44 when I do ?/m to look up Lich or Ancient Lich, it only provides the description and not the AC/EV/MR / resists 02:07:56 that's not right is it? 02:08:24 good crawl bug description: http://i.imgur.com/7QcMvk5.jpg 02:08:48 WA 02:08:49 LL 02:09:20 need a wizlab that just uses words for terrain and monsters 02:09:52 -!- tumblemist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11:34 (it's spectral weapon pathing) 02:11:55 (spectral polearm pathing specifically) 02:12:21 ah 02:12:43 yeah, would not have gotten that 02:14:35 but polearms are ( 02:16:18 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:17:46 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:01 <|amethyst> zxc232: it's a side-effect of them being ghost_demons 02:18:30 <|amethyst> zxc232: they have their own special structure for per-monster AC, EV, etc, so that can't be gotten easily for a "generic" lich 02:18:34 hrm 02:19:35 I see 02:19:46 <|amethyst> zxc232: it could be done but there would be things to work out (what to show for "ugly thing" for example) 02:20:49 "The platonic ideal of an ugly thing" 02:20:52 could AC: Varies etc suffice? 02:21:30 AC: {good??} 02:23:19 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2963-gdda4581 (34) 02:24:37 the phaedo is a clevery disguised guide to determining lich AC 02:30:19 -!- MackTheKnife has quit [Quit: Page closed] 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HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, evil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 412 | Sp: brain feed [11!AM, 06!sil], draining gaze [11!AM, 06!sil], mass confusion [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 07:39:13 %??orange crystal statue 07:43:01 -!- orionsaresh is now known as orionstein 07:45:02 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:46:19 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:47:44 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:44 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 07:50:17 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:50 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:04:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 08:07:29 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:23 -!- Amy is now known as Guest4956 08:15:19 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:39:30 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 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Use !messages to read it. 09:40:09 no crashes? 09:40:10 !messages 09:40:10 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (13h 34m 58s ago): shopping.cc:2106:22: warning: comparison of constant 54000 with expression of type 'const short' is always false [-Wtautological-constant-out-of-range-compare] return item.link == ITEM_IN_SHOP; 09:40:30 uh oh 09:40:47 your short can't store 54000? 09:40:55 I think that was fixed 09:40:57 sorry 09:40:58 i thought most arches had shorts as the same size as ints 09:41:01 |amethyst and grunt tweaked it 09:41:02 uually -32768 .. 32767 09:41:07 huh 09:41:16 no, short is usually 2 bytes, int will be 4 or 8 depending on arch 09:41:18 maybe -NON_ITEM would be better then 09:41:22 most commonly 4 for int 09:41:32 maybe i'm thinking of long? 09:42:22 long is same as int on amd64, 8 bytes vs. 4 on x86 (usually) 09:44:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:13 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2965-g5de482b: Improve curse weapon UI 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5de482b04059 09:46:52 PleasingFungus: doesn't 09:46:53 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:46:54 %git fa193e0fb 09:46:54 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-2955-gfa193e0: Partially clean up _determine_armour_ego 10(11 hours ago, 4 files, 116+ 85-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa193e0fbd9f 09:46:58 lower hat brand chances? 09:47:01 or am i totally lost 09:47:15 oh, if coinflip() 09:48:10 yep 09:48:51 the joke is that i was the last to change them 09:48:53 i think 09:48:55 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:49:03 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:33 Should we start generating ponderous crystal plate? Seems like it fits the same niche as ponderous plate, but if anything, moreso 09:50:03 seems mean 09:51:05 plate armour is fairly common, so finding ponderous plate is an interesting choice; crystal plate is very, very rare, so finding crystal plate and having it be ponderous crystal plate is just mean 09:51:10 of course, sometimes mean is good 09:51:20 but it would be very different 09:51:33 geekosaur: and overflowing is only guaranteed for unsigned types, right 09:51:33 On the other hand, you rarely find +10 crystal plate 09:51:48 and +10 ponderous crystal plate would be a more tempting choice than +10 ponderous plate 09:53:00 I mean, does anyone use the ponderous plates that generate? 09:54:19 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:54:19 -!- glamas- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:54:33 woohoo, just 7 items on mantis in "source cleanup" category 09:54:37 we must truly have a clean source 09:55:35 !send beam.cc wheals 09:55:35 Sending wheals to beam.cc. 09:58:36 Seriously, tho: is ponderous plate armour a compelling choice? 09:59:20 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:02 i feel like i've been tempted once 10:01:10 i think there were no other non-+0 plates 10:01:34 Did you end up using it? 10:03:59 -!- vurk has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 10:21:54 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:22:24 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:28:28 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:29:48 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:45 PleasingFungus: robin is spooking me real good 10:30:52 goo 10:30:54 d 10:31:00 !locate wheals 10:31:01 wheals was last seen on CBRO (wheals, L4 DEMo of Ru). 10:31:04 -!- ConstantineXVI has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:31:25 demo, huh 10:31:36 have you considered getting wrecked 10:31:42 i don't think i can get past her ac 10:32:03 unknown monster: "robin" 10:32:03 %?? robin 10:32:03 unknown monster: "robin" 10:32:03 %??robin 10:32:03 hi lasty 10:32:03 bye Cheibriados 10:32:06 On my screen mine acme first :p 10:32:14 likewise. 10:32:15 Probably wearing +10 ponderous plate. 10:32:18 !send Acme Lasty_ 10:32:18 Sending Lasty_ to Acme. 10:32:26 They do good work 10:32:28 she has 1 ac, 2 with the helmet 10:32:37 Doesn't spawn w/ armour? 10:32:42 wheals: nice 1 hp you had there 10:32:46 Lasty_: animal skin 10:32:48 which iirc is 0? 10:32:52 2 10:32:54 same as robe 10:32:55 goes well with 27 maxhp 10:33:01 uh 10:33:02 ~*~*~27~*~*~ 10:33:04 maybe i should have made one of the sacrifices 10:33:05 uhhhhh 10:33:23 ??animal skin 10:33:23 animal skin[1/1]: The only difference between a skin and a robe is that the skin weighs almost twice as much. 10:33:23 i think all of them would have made the only book so far useless 10:33:40 right, no, for some reason i thought robes were 0 base ac 10:33:42 not sure why 10:33:52 Oh, ah 10:33:57 robe nerf 10:34:13 in a sense 10:34:15 rip robin 10:34:20 wheals: offers were sac arcana, sac love, and . . . ? 10:34:21 wheals: imagine if the hobgoblin had killed you at the end there 10:34:27 oh, dodging 10:34:30 !killratio robin * 10:34:32 robin wins 11.65% of battles. 10:34:35 ah, back up! 10:34:37 slightly 10:34:39 which would be an instant death with this char 10:34:44 Clearly you go for heavy armour summoner 10:34:45 :p 10:35:24 ooh, cigo's 10:35:32 neat 10:35:35 that beautiful badtile... 10:35:46 my current char is an attempt to get cigotuvi's running so I can test it in an actual game 10:35:57 and see if I need to buff it 10:36:03 I feel no shame about buffing my own characters!!! 10:36:18 !nerf PleasingFungus 10:36:19 * Sequell nerfs PleasingFungus!!! 10:36:23 hahhahaa 10:36:24 good miscasy 10:36:25 haahahahahahahahaha 10:36:28 Next time I get a char w/ necro, I'll absolutely try Cigo's. It's right up my alley, since I like Necromancy and AC, and dislike permanent minions 10:36:29 rip 10:36:37 you feel clever all of a sudden. 10:37:07 !lg * killer="soul eater" s=ikiller 10:37:08 838 games for * (killer='soul eater'): 188x a soul eater, 147x an orc high priest, 110x Xom, 63x an orc sorcerer, 46x an indirect mummy death curse, 34x a silver statue, 26x the anger of Yredelemnul, 22x the severe capriciousness of Xom, 20x a deep elf demonologist, 19x the malice of Kikubaaqudgha, 15x a kobold demonologist, 14x a card of wild magic, 12x the capriciousness of Xom, 12x Frances, 10x... 10:37:19 !lg * killer=soul_eater s=cikiller 10:37:19 838 games for * (killer=soul_eater): 188x a soul eater, 147x an orc high priest, 114x a pandemonium lord, 63x an orc sorcerer, 46x an indirect mummy death curse, 34x a silver statue, 26x the anger of Yredelemnul, 22x the severe capriciousness of Xom, 20x a deep elf demonologist, 19x the malice of Kikubaaqudgha, 15x a kobold demonologist, 14x a card of wild magic, 12x Frances, 12x the capriciousnes... 10:37:34 !lg * killer=soul_eater s=-cikiller 10:37:35 838 games for * (killer=soul_eater): a minotaur, miscasting Summon Ice Beast, a mummy priest, miscasting Regeneration, the wrath of Vehumet, miscasting Spellforged Servitor, miscasting Sublimation of Blood, the demon whip "Spellbinder", the effects of Hell, the Scythe of Curses, miscasting Twisted Resurrection, miscasting Monstrous Menagerie, the fury of Makhleb, Saint Roka, Khufu, miscasting Disp... 10:37:37 !lg * killer="soul eater" s=ikiller ikiller~~miscasting 10:37:37 24 games for * (killer='soul eater' ikiller~~miscasting): 8x miscasting Animate Dead, 5x miscasting Vampiric Draining, miscasting Monstrous Menagerie, miscasting Twisted Resurrection, miscasting Summon Ice Beast, miscasting Sublimation of Blood, miscasting Recall, miscasting Spellforged Servitor, miscasting Bolt of Draining, miscasting Dispel Undead, miscasting Agony, miscasting Regeneration, misc... 10:37:41 heh 10:37:45 it's a majority! 10:37:46 w o w 10:37:51 !lg * killer=soul_eater vmsg~~khufu 10:37:51 1. Anranius the Destroyer (L23 TeWz of Vehumet), blasted by a soul eater (drain life) (summoned by a greater mummy (led by Khufu)) on Crypt:5 (evilmike_haunted_forest) on 2013-08-29 22:48:47, with 409516 points after 105058 turns and 10:17:41. 10:37:51 well 10:37:53 a plurality 10:37:54 aw 10:38:04 !lg * cikiller=a_seraph 10:38:05 1. CarbonBasedLifeform the Eclecticist (L25 OpFE of Vehumet), shot by a seraph (arrow) in Pandemonium (evilmike_holy_pan) on 2012-03-30 17:32:20, with 487199 points after 37060 turns and 7:19:49. 10:38:08 :( 10:38:16 !lg * killer="soul eater" ikiller="miscasting animate dead" s=name 10:38:16 9 games for * (killer='soul eater' ikiller='miscasting animate dead'): Nowiz, nerdbeard, wheals, Expolaris, ThunderPants, Doragen, Euph0ria, baer, patman 10:38:16 rip 10:38:25 i'm in good company 10:38:25 !lg wheals killer="soul eater" ikiller="miscasting animate dead" 10:38:26 1. wheals the Ducker (L5 DEMo of Ru), slain by a soul eater (summoned by miscasting Animate Dead) on D:4 on 2014-12-04 16:38:10, with 212 points after 6592 turns and 0:15:19. 10:38:29 ah, just now 10:38:31 that's a fast update 10:38:53 lol 10:39:10 should have sacced something, i guess 10:39:15 How high was your fail chance? 10:39:19 67 10:39:20 i think 10:39:21 Grunt: holy pan isn't *that* common, and not *that* many people do extended 10:39:24 it was my fault 10:39:31 PleasingFungus: they appear on the orb run rarely!! 10:39:40 I forgot about that 10:40:06 dang. 10:40:13 fr: rename giant newts newts 10:40:21 holy shit 10:40:30 The helpless hobgoblin fails to defend itself. 10:40:31 The hobgoblin is stunned! You hit the hobgoblin. 10:40:37 ? 10:40:44 clubstabbing 10:40:52 heh 10:40:55 Haven't you ruined that yet?! 10:40:55