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Disco, XL27 MiGl, T:81879 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:02:47 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2930-gdd371d7 (34) 00:03:03 Has anyone else run into an issue during the autogen step of dgamelaunch? 00:03:32 wow, doesn't haste once 00:06:04 um 00:06:15 I saw what looked like a goos bug there 00:06:18 *good 00:06:57 goose bugs 00:07:00 pwnmonkey: what issue? 00:07:31 autogen.sh cant fine autoconf or autoheader apparently 00:07:51 are those two programs installed? 00:08:13 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:08:35 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-2931-g2e49723: Make singularities attract, not repel. 10(12 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e49723cd49e 00:09:03 uh oh 00:09:17 what happens....when...they collide?! 00:09:21 they are in DGL 00:09:43 hmm weird, now it works. Nevermind. 00:09:50 oh you mean singularity wrt monsters 00:10:36 pwnmonkey: those programs are not in the dgamelaunch repos I've seen 00:10:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2931-g2e49723 (34) 00:11:32 right, I installed them through chroot /home/crawl/DGL apt-get.... but the repos are in crawl-dev not crawl. I just had to install them system wide. Forgot about that. 00:13:58 i wish the highlevel books were pre-id'ed 00:14:06 ...so i could draw them 00:14:28 would it be such a significant change if they were in fact pre-ided? 00:15:42 I think given extra work was put in place to make them not ID'ed by default, that's the opposite of the real question 00:16:27 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:16:40 but having them be UNID initially, is that really a big deal? 00:16:47 is it important? 00:17:11 <|amethyst> I think having them ID on pickup like other books would be fine 00:17:58 argument for: for any characters who are yet to decide which spell schools to train, knowing what high level spells are available would help them make a better choice 00:18:30 -!- tcsc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:39 very rare that it impacts your decision making I think, simply because of how high level the spells are 00:19:08 -!- tcsc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:14 people look for the necronomicon sometimes but they're going to ID the book anyway if they find a high level one 00:19:56 and in other cases where the book has a near immediate impact, you had enough skill to recognise the book on pickup anyway 00:21:21 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:24:23 argument against: lose gameplay flavour 00:25:05 potentially gain unique book icons 00:25:52 <|amethyst> chequers: I think flavour is well enough preserved by the memorisation restriction and the fact that those spells don't appear in normal books 00:26:04 plus the high-level thing might be confusing for newbies 00:26:27 ontoclasm: obviously the magic of the books makes them change appearances once identified, like how that robe works 00:26:27 it is 00:26:37 people ask "what does high level mean" every day in ##crawl 00:27:17 I'm not sure what ingame documentation there is on it though, there might be some. 00:27:26 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:26 The build passed. (master - 24bf5f5 #929 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42693367 00:27:26 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:30:25 maybe every book should not be ID'ed unless you could learn at least one spell in it or something 00:31:17 eek, anyway can't you learn basically any spell so long as you have the spell levels? 00:31:38 barring god restrictions 00:33:16 no, you can't memorize from highlevel books w/o 10 in the relevant school 00:33:36 and 6 spellcasting, but presumably if you have enough levels you have at least 6. 00:34:47 yes but then what chequers suggested is exactly the system we currently have 00:42:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:06 re the earlier traps discussion 00:43:40 the part of zot traps that I personally would like to experiment with is the way that they act as tactical terrain, since they are (among other things) tiles you really don't want monsters to step on while you're in LOS 00:43:53 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:07 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:12 which is something you could use for lesser zot traps 00:44:12 more vaults utilising zot traps? 00:44:21 no, zot traps are, as discussed, way too nasty 00:44:29 banishment, heavy contam, etc, etc 00:44:40 oh right, that's what you mean 00:44:50 personally I'd be fine if lesser zot traps *only* triggered when enemies stepped on them 00:45:07 and then you could have them do things like hurl elemental damage, statuses, etc at you 00:45:21 well, a trap that berserks whatever steps on it could function like that 'dangerous terrain' 00:45:33 a bit one-note 00:45:40 but something like that could be interesting too 00:46:02 <|amethyst> hopefully casters know about them and don't step on them 00:46:30 but making casters step on them could be a valid tactic 00:46:40 I guess liches can't berserk anyway 00:46:57 FR: Print a message when quaffing benemut with a source of rMut "Your resistance to mutations gives way, ..." 00:47:37 I rather like traps in brogue 00:47:39 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:47:53 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:48:39 I'm told traps in brogue are things that you're encouraged to lure enemies to 00:48:51 which is a style of play we don't like for crawl, for the most part 00:48:54 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 00:49:07 well, brogue is heavy on interacting with the environment 00:49:33 right, because crawl is not really about interacting with the environment, but more just about combat 00:49:35 -!- Genestran is now known as vonhedlund 00:49:54 for various values of combat 00:49:55 you can interact with thte environment to some extent in crawl, such as burning trees 00:49:57 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:50:01 and digging etc 00:50:12 I think people might like to see more of that, at least I would 00:50:13 sure, it's just kept pretty minimalistic 00:50:30 but I get that you wouldn't want to go too heavy on that 00:50:48 I think crawl's LOS system makes it a harder to do; brogue has a different LOS system 00:51:24 would more interactions such as electricity dealing more damage to things in water be a good or bad thing? 00:51:46 well, we removed the arcing effect that did just that from the electrocution brand 00:51:47 I get the feeling the game is heading the opposite direction 00:51:58 mostly because it was a frequent source of annoyance 00:52:06 zxc232: yeah, moving the opposite direction sounds about right 00:52:48 I'm not in principle opposed to more environmental manipulation, but anything that sounds like "lure enemies back to an earlier part of the level" is kind of a bad smell for me 00:52:52 brogue has a lot of hard limits on characters (power, hunger, etc) that drives people to need to lure 00:52:56 PleasingFungus: I completely agree there 00:53:03 crawl does not have those limits 00:53:22 theTower: crawl has a power limit for characters, more or less 00:53:25 in some ways early game crawl can be like that 00:53:27 as you've lamented 00:53:34 :P 00:53:39 PleasingFungus: I'm not sure that your sense of what's a bad smell is reasonable, you being a fungus after all? 00:53:53 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2932-g710f2c4: Better wizard-explore interaction. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=710f2c4f0b4a 00:53:55 pls no anti-fungus racism 00:53:55 in this channel 00:53:55 of all channels 00:53:55 sry 00:53:56 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:53:56 it's ok. 00:54:18 I mean, it's like if every character had pre-lair unseen horrors and pre-lair centaur warriors 00:54:42 sounds fun 00:54:46 Holy shit deck of battle is good. 00:54:51 imho implement that 00:54:52 I try 00:55:16 wouldn't be very difficult, just need horrific lair entry vaults >_> 00:55:33 we have some of those 00:55:38 the elephant herd one is kind of traumatic 00:55:44 despite being Melee Monsters 00:55:58 when I did HEIE in 0.12, going straight to vaults, unseen horrors and centaur warriors were basically my biggest concern 00:56:05 sinv was a great early find 00:56:15 now it's like, "oh, that" 00:56:34 should steal from crawlt 00:56:43 what, again? 00:56:46 invisible orb guardians 00:56:52 so good 00:57:22 invisible++, sinv means you only see them every N turns 00:57:39 they keep submerging 01:01:23 why are lair entrances such mangled stuff, considering how important that category is 01:01:29 onto the todo list it goes sheesh 01:02:01 mangled? 01:02:28 &dump 01:02:29 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/gammafunk.txt 01:03:17 code-wise 01:04:05 !tell nrook Your accursed piety trove gave me the cursed -8 plate armour of Sif Muna's Hope {Str-2 Int+3} I won't forgive you. 01:04:05 gammafunk: OK, I'll let nrook know. 01:04:37 hahahahah 01:04:41 exactly what you deserve 01:04:53 the other arte plate? +0, rc, some int 01:05:07 hopefully one of the other two artes are usable 01:05:16 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:05:30 but I'd have to have rc to try them on, thanks devs 01:05:39 what sort of states are the gods Gozag, Ru and Beogh considered to be in? 01:05:52 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:06:08 beogh? he's considered mostly fine; he's been in the game for many versions 01:06:21 I'd say Ru is basically complete, G is getting there 01:06:57 right, I seem to recall a change or changes or beogh 01:07:14 yeah that was a PleasingFungus project (tm) 01:07:23 these three gods I've never used before and I'm keen to start trying them out but only after 'the dust has settled' in a sense 01:07:23 I'm not sure if other changes are planned 01:07:30 I'm only just now doing a beogh run 01:07:38 I have beogh plans! 01:07:46 they're very buried, though, so don't hold your breath 01:07:47 not terribly impressed with the god's power so far, although I could probably be using smite more 01:08:19 yred gives you pain mirror and drain life and zombies before the gifts kick in 01:08:19 it seemed a lot like yred, which is another god I don't really use 01:08:23 beogh gives you.....smite 01:08:54 or maybe drain life comes a bit later, I forget now, but zombies are still very strong 01:08:59 ??drain_life 01:09:00 drain life[1/2]: A Yredelemnul 4* ability; drains 1+1d7+1d(Invocations) HP from all non-drain-resistant hostiles in your LOS and heals you for the lesser of (Invocations*2) and half the damage dealt (per monster). Costs 6 MP, 200 nutrition, and 2 piety. 01:09:24 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:16 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Client Quit] 01:10:26 what about nemelex? 01:10:30 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:30 The build passed. (master - 035df76 #930 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42694882 01:10:30 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:10:54 there's more to be done with nemelex but there's still plenty to test 01:11:09 nemelex is being worked on by this one thatched roof cottage 01:11:12 there's a certain new overall state to assess 01:11:16 or was it an igloo 01:11:48 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:11:56 actually I'm taking a break from them cards for now 01:12:20 the important part was "fix before he gets cut" >_> 01:12:24 yeah, a few people who've played with them seem satisfied about the power level of nem now 01:12:53 still a little dangerous and still has some purposeful gaps, but strong overall 01:13:44 my personal feeling is that beogh's stuff needs to kick in earlier, possibly by moving orc recruitment from *** to ** 01:13:56 reasonable 01:13:59 which would mean that HoMo gets pals immediately, but idk 01:14:01 that's neat 01:14:14 yeah, I felt like I was doing athiest conduct 01:14:20 otoh he does gain piety quickly 01:14:40 I personally worry about late-game, where orcs get slaughtered easily and it's equivalently athiest >_> 01:14:43 I also think smiting is really boring as a player ability but w/e 01:14:44 I'm about to go into orc, so maybe I'll gain piety back and actually get some orcs 01:15:04 pleasingfungus no it's great watch as I make it much better 01:15:06 PleasingFungus: that almost implies that elyv is boring?! 01:15:06 I'm fine with beogh being crummy later; I think it's okay to have gods that are good early and weak late as long as they're *actually* good early 01:15:11 gammafunk: no way!!! 01:15:19 theTower: you can make it stronger, but can you make it interesting...? 01:15:22 -!- mineral is now known as read 01:15:35 it's interesting by virtue of being the only thing you get from beogh in zot??? 01:15:45 -!- LegendaryDgWn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:52 hrm, is it actually hard to keep that band of warlords and large supporting orc contingent alive? 01:15:55 it is not 01:15:57 at least, when you're stuck on 7-40 4 mp irresistable attacks with minimal cost >_> 01:15:58 -!- LegendaryDgWn is now known as GreatDgWn 01:16:08 I mean specifically in like depths/zot, like theTower was talking about 01:16:18 my orcs usually finish dying off somewhere around zot:5 01:16:22 which seems about right 01:16:23 yeah 01:16:31 by then you should be more than fine 01:16:36 I was thinking about doing some weird hitdice stuff 01:16:54 so that they can survive much better with experience 01:16:57 how are you meant to handle Yred gifts? My one successful run with Yred involved keeping gifted monsters on their original floors and only recalling in hard situations - is that standard? 01:17:03 and is Beogh the same? 01:17:12 beogh is different because your pals gain xp 01:17:17 so you want to have some around so they can level up etc 01:17:21 also there's equipment gifting 01:17:23 zxc232: yeah that's good practice not just for keeping them alive, but for gaining full xp 01:17:26 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 01:17:26 for yred, that is 01:18:15 I think one vicious ache is how that xp disappates 01:18:23 -!- AwsmlyPwrfulDgWn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18:24 I think beoghites also do some leaving/recalling throughout the game as well, but probably not as much as yred people sometimes do 01:18:33 my yred runs were mostly let them kill everything 01:19:08 I am imagining somehow dissemenating a low amount of xp to same-class minions if a given dead orc had particularly much experience 01:19:11 but my first one was only my 3rd win and after that it was OpDK, nem choice during the tourney 01:19:19 where I'd rather not be meleeing 01:19:35 I find it often useful to have only a few pals around as beogh, so you can focus on getting a handful of powerful warlords rather than a big pile of chumps 01:19:58 also orc casters drop like flies and the only good choice for gifting for them is heavy armour, which feels silly; I never figured out the right solution for that 01:20:11 hrm, can you easilly control who stays with and who doesn't? 01:20:20 recall prioritizes by hit dice 01:20:24 and you can cancel midway 01:20:25 (I... am not really fond of crawl permallies as such, because the purposeful lack of control over them elicits much more risks) 01:21:02 (yred at least can replace some of those bone dragon servitors over time, but sometimes warlords don't feel worth it) 01:21:04 fedhas mushrooms are nice 'minions' I find, compared to yred gifts and summoning in general 01:21:14 summoning in general is a lot of fun 01:21:22 that's a lie 01:21:26 summoning is excellent but they're... summons 01:21:34 ya I know 01:21:53 I like the emotional attachment that players get to permallies (mercenaries & beoghites mainly) 01:22:00 I think that's a fun experience for crawl, even with the flaws 01:22:15 ??lies 01:22:15 lies[1/25]: Eustachio says, "Summoning is fun!" 01:22:23 hate losing anything permanent :| 01:22:24 I should delete that entry 01:22:33 it's a funny entry 01:22:42 yeah, it is 01:22:53 the whole list should use some trimming 01:22:54 don't let lies[1] and meph_reasons get you angry, gammafunk 01:23:04 theTower: but it's so nearly to 27! 01:23:15 you can't trim it now...... 01:23:20 -!- AwsmlyPwrfulDgWn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:20 well, okay, yes you can. 01:23:27 -!- AwsmlyPwrfulDgWn is now known as MightyDgWn 01:23:38 to inflict torment blah blah blah 01:23:46 what was the problem with the forest branch? 01:23:51 hoooooo boy 01:23:52 what, problem singular? 01:24:02 short answer: there were trees 01:24:04 I just remember a forest branch a while back, which disappeared 01:24:09 it dispersed! 01:24:11 like an aerosol 01:24:12 the singular problem is that it was a branch defined by debilitation 01:24:24 and that made people get quite tired of it 01:24:35 it did have one of the greatest ends that Basil has ever seen, though 01:24:43 and for that he's grateful 01:24:53 so then I got the guy who made all those debilitators to push the majority of them elsewhere 01:25:08 still need tartarus spirit wolves though 01:25:11 that one time the enchantress was stuck in a tree and I couldn't find her was good, yes 01:25:47 well water nymph don't debilitate any more, really 01:25:52 *nymphs 01:25:57 ...actually, thinking of ancient bears, I have an ideal for that stupid hell beast 01:26:02 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:26:03 -!- GreatDgWn has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:26:07 gammafunk: I honestly forget what nymphs originally did 01:26:13 emergency haste isn't quite the same thing, of course 01:26:14 theTower: hell bears???? 01:26:20 PleasingFungus: lured you to bodies of water instantaneously 01:26:22 hell bears. 01:26:22 hellephants, hell bears... what's next!? 01:26:24 gammafunk: oh yeah 01:26:27 I remember that 01:26:34 not exactly debilitation, but kind of 01:26:41 splish, splash 01:26:42 people can argue the water aura is debilitation! 01:26:47 yep 01:26:48 more splishing and splashing! 01:26:55 I just wish we could get it working on stairs 01:27:16 Basil: what do you mean by stuck 'in' a tree 01:27:17 ah yeah, since water is a feature and so are stairs 01:27:22 well, in a thicket 01:27:25 o 01:27:25 solution: water stairs. 01:27:31 I was hoping for something really funny 01:27:32 surrounded by trees and I couldn't find her 01:27:37 gammafunk: well, I mean, we have temp features 01:27:41 well shoals had those in terms of the graphical representation 01:27:47 yes, exactly 01:27:48 but there are technical issues about overriding stairs 01:27:50 and they were hard as heck to make out 01:27:51 re-use those tiles 01:27:55 going up? down? 01:27:55 I was chatting with someone about it a month ago or w/e 01:28:04 oh yeah 01:28:08 probably level checks 01:28:12 like when you save 01:28:15 stuff about travel code, among other things 01:28:16 it looks for stairs, etc 01:28:18 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:18 I think 01:28:20 hm 01:28:21 doesn't tomb do something now 01:28:27 tomb card, I mean 01:28:32 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Client Quit] 01:28:32 I think tomb can now override water but still not stairs 01:28:35 for the same reason 01:28:40 %git :/[Tt]omb 01:28:40 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-2258-g2a7ae65: Edit zig loot mildly. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 9+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a7ae6531c3d 01:28:43 %git :/[Tt]omb c 01:28:43 07N7829102 {PleasingFungus} * 0.16-a0-2130-gfe08d39: Let Tomb card place walls on stone stairs. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe08d391a6f6 01:28:47 oh 01:28:48 no I'm full of it 01:28:55 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:58 oh no 01:29:01 dang, I'm cited. that's good, I guess? 01:29:15 waiiit a second. 01:29:15 let's see 01:29:36 ah, okay, someone already fixed the bracing there. 01:29:38 good. 01:29:57 4 weeks before braces fixed would turn neil into the HULK 01:30:01 so thank goodness 01:30:02 ! 01:30:04 dang... 01:30:11 !messages 01:30:12 No messages for TZer0. 01:30:26 theTower: yeah I've been thinking about tar spirit wolves; I'll probably at least take a shot at that sooner than later 01:30:30 fauns and satyrs and nymphs went to shoals because they're greek. druids and thorn hunters and treants went to swamp because it's the closest to a forest. spriggans to depths because depths oods were all big heavy giants and dragons and such 01:30:57 and spider got torpor snails, most terrifying of all the mighty forest beasts. 01:31:05 hrm, tartarus...wolves 01:31:14 vaults were moved around to lair and swamp and depths, layout is resting 01:31:15 I guess we want natural holiness things? or are they ghost wolves 01:31:23 unknown monster: "spirit wolf" 01:31:23 %0.14?spirit wolf 01:31:25 hm 01:31:30 spirit wolf (13h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 43-60 | AC/EV: 5/19 | Dam: 27 | sense invisible | Res: 06magic(86), 09poison+++, 13neg+++ | XP: 412 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 01:31:30 %0.13?spirit_wolf 01:31:38 I guess they were natural 01:31:39 natural holiness things in tar is kind of against the theme, I guess 01:31:42 those stats are not gonna stick tho 01:31:46 of course 01:31:49 since those stats were garbage even for forest 01:31:53 Dam: 50 01:32:02 Dam: 30, 30, 30, 30 01:32:19 make them hd:30, since they're already speed 15 01:32:22 I can imagine some nice bite/claw two-punch thing 01:32:24 orb of ghostly fire 01:32:40 the main thing is getting their spirit howl right, tho 01:32:50 !lg gammafunk he-- x=ac,ev xl>20 01:32:51 7. [ac=28;ev=10] gammafunk the Demonologist (L22 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Vaults:2 (minmay_crypt_entry_simple_sparse) on 2014-08-26 10:34:32, with 661808 points after 36572 turns and 10:28:47. 01:32:56 hmm 01:32:59 ? 01:33:05 spirit wolves are talked about right now, ancient bears are dead but they were a filler extension point that can easily see new blood, 01:33:12 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:33:16 I was expecting ~3/12 01:33:22 heh 01:33:22 wandering dire elephants and emperor scorpions later joined depths 01:33:30 apises ;_; 01:33:34 apis 01:33:38 api 01:33:38 I honestly did not remember emperor scorpions being in forest 01:33:46 apes 01:34:07 theTower: bring back Pan and you have a full sweep! 01:34:11 (don't do that, though.) 01:34:13 Basil: I can't help the lich ac 01:34:24 oh right tengu also joined depths 01:34:35 but that was pre-dispersal anyway 01:35:27 pleasingfungus: I like to think that a top-tier hex-using strong ranged monster lives on, seperate of the debacle and also actually in pan 01:35:37 why restrict yourself to forest, though? 01:35:41 let's start bringing back 01:35:44 dwarf monsters 01:35:56 I still think ddbe were fine 01:36:13 if only they had somewhere to go with spbe being dominant already 01:36:48 also there's a witch in that sprint 01:37:28 so many things are higher priority than salvaging ddar or huldra or nisse or trollkronor 01:37:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:52 are these new tomb things 01:38:07 the dwarven tomb of fallen heroes, yes 01:38:41 -!- Patashu has quit [Client Quit] 01:38:43 need to revitalize important monsters like vapours, flaming corpses, plague shamblers, and pulsating lumps first anyway 01:38:58 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:11 pulsating lump speed 20 01:39:18 hairy devils 01:39:25 morphogenic ooze, with af_polymorph 01:39:31 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:31 (and also speed 20) 01:39:52 also we need a unique 3 01:40:06 to go with the unique 5 and unique 1? 01:40:11 yes 01:40:15 I dunno, I like that contrast 01:41:53 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:42:00 okay, fine, a unique 9 01:42:06 the only other monster I'd care about is, like midges 01:42:22 and that's because I've got a horrible desire for 5s to have more than 4 monsters 01:42:24 !lg * gree s=name ?:n>20 01:42:25 5401 games for * (gree): 401x Neuromancer, 177x tedric, 167x NekoRex, 156x dscm, 153x TZer0, 120x crowhite, 105x Stanimator, 94x Acidburn6, 93x uglyjohn, 89x Celsitudo, 86x NTRAFF, 79x tychotesla, 74x Farconics, 73x SirSamVimes, 67x TravelLog, 66x AnAngryHobo, 65x yogidabear, 58x Viilla, 57x lorbis, 56x bonger, 55x PurpleRed, 54x fearitself, 53x trazz, 52x neil, 51x Neodymium, 51x LogicNinja, 51x ... 01:42:55 Nanagram 01:43:06 wargoyle, LRDs self 01:43:11 oh wait there's another list of removeds in the changelog 01:43:29 suppression, spiny worm, ... 01:44:02 actually, would a slow corrosive monster work in spider, hmmmmmm 01:44:45 why slow 01:45:16 fair point 01:45:28 in Diablo 2, some spiders would try to avoid fights 01:45:30 needs more than just "acid emperor scorpion", though 01:46:05 what about some spiders that avoid fights, but when you're getting low on HP or swarmed, they dive in? 01:46:41 I am sure another maintain_range variation in spider will be well recieved 01:46:48 hellspider 01:46:54 they don't necessarily have to maintain range 01:47:01 just not not chase you 01:47:16 makes me think of the dearly departed spen 01:47:18 just not chase * 01:47:29 so they just mill about? 01:47:38 and then swarm you if you're low, yes 01:47:58 seems... silly 01:48:07 probably is 01:48:11 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:19 chances are best with monsters just going right for you 01:48:51 maybe if it was on ever-so-incomplete trapdoors so that you can't readily target them when they're not hunting... 01:49:22 deep dwarves riding spiders? 01:49:50 look spriggans are small 01:49:57 and dwarves for some reason are normal sized 01:50:00 !tell gammafunk my revenge reverberates through the ages!! 01:50:00 nrook: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:50:00 nrook: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 01:50:06 they'd have to be on an emperor scorpion or something 01:50:07 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:50:22 dwarves are normal size because md was removed before someone tried making them small 01:50:36 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1.1/20141113143407]] 01:50:44 actually, somebody tried making them small before they were removed 01:50:49 too late 01:51:06 halflings riding emperor scorpions, I guess 01:51:20 are there even halfling enemies? 01:51:25 there aren't 01:51:32 ??race list 01:51:32 race list[1/1]: 0.15 races: Ce DD DE Dg Dr Ds Fe Fo Gh Gr Ha HE HO Hu Ko Mf Mi Mu Na Og Op Sp Te Tr Vp VS 01:51:43 did that vault get removed 01:51:52 they were turned into corpses 01:51:59 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:51:59 rip 01:52:22 formicid, halfling, high elf, vine stalker 01:52:49 vinestalker antimagic overlaps with those snakes 01:52:53 (not counting uniques includes demigod, felid) 01:53:01