00:00:01 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:01:35 -!- memorygoround has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:04 hmmmmmm, I wonder what will go wrong if... 00:04:32 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:32 The build was fixed. (master - 06e28aa #921 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42587423 00:04:32 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:04:48 (splitting up an old encompass vault into multiple parts and then using a serial vault to place the ensuing large parts) 00:04:55 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:07:59 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:11:55 -!- cr0ne has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:17 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2920-g6aac557 (34) 00:14:38 ugh, of course dgn.place_maps is still too weak 00:21:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141126030207]] 00:21:58 does it just refuse to actually try and place more than one standard vault 00:22:04 or even refuse to place one 00:28:50 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:07 I suppose since lair_small_ending doesn't actually work most of the time I shouldn't expect the same for this circumstance 00:35:48 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:39 -!- simmarine__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:23 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:57 open inquiry problem whatever: dgn.place_maps is a stupid, and there's a subtle brokenness where all the small lair ends are designed to have a second lair end and try vaguely hard to do such, but do not reliably in any fashion 00:40:18 -!- ruwin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:57 for now I will just give up and make vaults that vaguely resemble these stupid random grids 00:52:11 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:11 The build failed. (potionreform - ea8c15c #922 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42592424 00:52:11 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:05:14 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:28 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:10 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:10:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:11:55 -!- witty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:11:55 -!- witty has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:12:02 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:17:46 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:46 The build was fixed. (master - 77ee436 #922 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42592426 01:17:46 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:23:15 Photonic (L11 GrFi) ERROR in 'godabil.cc' at line 5526: ASSERT failed: chosen_sacrifice of 1215 out of range ABIL_FIRST_SACRIFICE (1203) .. ABIL_FINAL_SACRIFICE (1215) (Lair:1) 01:23:58 Photonic (L11 GrFi) ERROR in 'godabil.cc' at line 5526: ASSERT failed: chosen_sacrifice of 1215 out of range ABIL_FIRST_SACRIFICE (1203) .. ABIL_FINAL_SACRIFICE (1215) (Lair:1) 01:24:17 uhh... 01:24:21 well, that's a weird failure 01:25:22 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:26:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:42 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:51 I am sure that in a third of a day pleasingfungus will wake up and annoyedly fix up crashes introduced in incomplete refactoring of messy code 01:31:52 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:30 memorygoround: hahahaha 01:33:41 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:37:27 chosen_sacrifice of 1215 out of range ABIL_FIRST_SACRIFICE (1203) .. ABIL_FINAL_SACRIFICE (1215) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9284 by Photonic 01:38:16 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:10 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:10 The build passed. (gitorious-merge-requests/31 - 25416bb #922 : Austin Appleby): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42592451 01:40:10 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:42:36 Photonic (L12 GrFi) ERROR in 'godabil.cc' at line 5526: ASSERT failed: chosen_sacrifice of 1215 out of range ABIL_FIRST_SACRIFICE (1203) .. ABIL_FINAL_SACRIFICE (1215) (Lair:4) 01:47:04 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:40 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:49:45 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:51:14 -!- tatara has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:53:02 Photonic (L12 GrFi) ERROR in 'godabil.cc' at line 5526: ASSERT failed: chosen_sacrifice of 1215 out of range ABIL_FIRST_SACRIFICE (1203) .. ABIL_FINAL_SACRIFICE (1215) (Lair:4) 01:57:38 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:56 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 01:59:50 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:05:35 |amethyst: are you around? 02:05:44 whatever happened to potions of blood? 02:06:10 did they get nuked for non-vampires, or what? 02:06:55 ontoclasm: I think they still exist 02:07:58 they dont randomly generate now i think? 02:08:02 hm 02:08:25 they might have a tiny bug but i'm having trouble caring enough to fix it 02:08:38 bleh, I think that effects that alter the world through choice of character are silly 02:08:55 apart from stuff that are activated abilities 02:09:20 hm, maybe it's just because this guy got version-transferred long enough, seems it doesn't happen in new games 02:09:28 so not worth it 02:09:53 bleeh, I'm having a problem here 02:10:08 I have almost ssh running on my docker-project 02:10:18 but I can't run dgamelaunch as terminal 02:10:25 I think it is trying to chroot / 02:10:37 which the system doesn't like.. 02:10:39 I think.. 02:14:52 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:21:03 -!- simmarine__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:28 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:11 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:11 The build has errored. (master - 91149f4 #923 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42592634 02:22:11 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:22:23 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2920-g6aac557 (34) 02:22:51 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:23:34 !tell |amethyst http://pastebin.com/rAK4iz19 02:23:34 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 02:38:26 Orb of destruction is a "creature" in doorways. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9285 by Xentronium 02:41:05 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:47:37 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:50:03 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50:37 -!- SickSadWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:53:19 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:54:46 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:44 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:49 who made singularity? 02:57:51 pf? 03:00:56 I thought it was spicerack 03:01:02 -!- memorygoround has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:05:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:06:26 !tell pleasingfungus imo the Plane Papyrus deserves a more unique-sounding name, since it is highlevel; maybe the Picatrix or the Akashic Record 03:06:27 ontoclasm: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 03:11:10 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 03:11:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:11:57 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:16:50 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:28:51 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:58 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:30:45 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 03:37:12 -!- muravey_ has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 03:39:37 -!- LegendaryDgWn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:45:35 -!- LegendaryDgWn has joined ##crawl-dev 03:53:43 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:22 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:59:19 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:59:58 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:03:08 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:10 -!- gareppa has quit [Client Quit] 04:08:54 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:09:01 -!- Xeiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:10:58 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:43 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:16:51 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:19:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:20:28 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 04:31:49 -!- rophy has quit [Client Quit] 04:36:37 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:22 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48:21 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:51:38 !tell |amethyst do we have a nice way of notifying all server-admins? 04:51:39 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 04:51:53 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:51:55 !tell I think we should make a separate IRC-channel for server-operators 04:51:55 TZer0: OK, I'll let i know. 04:52:26 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 04:55:45 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:05:30 -!- zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:10:38 -!- penciltax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 05:11:11 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:12:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:12:44 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:32 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 05:28:03 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:31:21 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 05:37:31 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 05:39:42 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:44 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52:40 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:54 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:56:40 -!- SickSadWorld has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:00:29 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:08:58 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:37:36 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:39 -!- debo has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:37:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:18 -!- kober has quit [Client Quit] 06:40:07 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:32 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:46:13 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:04:16 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:06:35 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:09:24 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11:53 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:18:53 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:26:04 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:30:25 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:42:17 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:47:36 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:51:56 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:52:45 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:58 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:00 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:14 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:03:38 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:04:14 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 08:06:33 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:37 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12:54 -!- aiguu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:17:37 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:20:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:22:22 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:23:31 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:39 -!- Amy is now known as Guest62103 08:27:51 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:28:55 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:31:30 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43:58 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:46:43 Firebatgyro (L2 DsMo) ERROR in 'godabil.cc' at line 5526: ASSERT failed: chosen_sacrifice of 1215 out of range ABIL_FIRST_SACRIFICE (1203) .. ABIL_FINAL_SACRIFICE (1215) (D:2) 09:09:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:09:39 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:11:49 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:13:35 -!- Irrlicht has quit [Quit: Im OFF] 09:18:28 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:33 !crash Firebatgyro 09:20:34 22. Firebatgyro, XL2 DsMo, T:717 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Firebatgyro/crash-Firebatgyro-20141201-144635.txt 09:21:03 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:21:47 -!- Piginabag_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:23:37 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26:33 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:04 -!- vcordie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:37:40 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:37:40 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:38:46 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:51 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:42:31 -!- Ahrin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:05 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49:01 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:21 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:54:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:32 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:56:35 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:11 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:59:24 -!- grisnicke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:17 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:37 -!- aiguu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:02:14 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2921-g3a24241: Fix a range assert (9284) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a242417f4c4 10:03:59 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:20 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:07:44 -!- muravey_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:08:16 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:20 the Serpent of Hell (05D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 320 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 3504(fire:20-39) per head | 05demonic, 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: {head 1: fire breath (3d40), head 2: fireball (3d31), head 3: hellfire (3d20)} [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], sum.dragon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 10:09:20 %??serpent of hell 10:10:42 -!- TMTurtle_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:15:19 -!- Monkaria has quit [Client Quit] 10:15:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16:16 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:34 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:25:40 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:04 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:13 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2921-g3a24241 (34) 10:31:45 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-2921-g3a24241 (34) 10:32:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:34:32 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:36:07 -!- Jeffrey__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:44 -!- Jeffrey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:40:39 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2921-g3a24241 (34) 10:46:11 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2921-g3a24241 (34) 10:51:36 -!- aiguu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:54:02 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:56:40 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:00:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:00:41 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 11:01:12 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:01:33 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:01:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:37 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:37 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Changing host] 11:01:37 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:37 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Changing host] 11:01:37 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:40 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:40 The build has errored. 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Applies curare on 2 out of 5 hits in addition to venom brand. 12:58:02 oh 13:00:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:03:05 -!- witty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:03:05 -!- witty has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:06:04 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:09:46 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:11:31 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:14:29 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:25:05 !tell Basil current line of thought on Singularity: fix the size of the pull damage die; varying the duration is enough 13:25:05 Grunt: OK, I'll let basil know. 13:25:45 !tell Basil if you're somehow around before I get home from work, make it happen (d5 or d6 or so is probably good) 13:25:45 Grunt: OK, I'll let basil know. 13:25:59 !messages 13:25:59 (1/2) Grunt said (54s ago): current line of thought on Singularity: fix the size of the pull damage die; varying the duration is enough 13:26:01 !messages 13:26:02 (1/1) Grunt said (16s ago): if you're somehow around before I get home from work, make it happen (d5 or d6 or so is probably good) 13:27:27 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:30:25 !tell Basil hi :) 13:30:25 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:30:25 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let basil know. 13:30:30 hi 13:30:31 Basil: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:31:16 !tell ontoclasm why are you pinging *me* about the Plane Papyrus's name????? 13:31:16 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 13:32:14 Grunt: ontoclasm wants to rename the Plane Papyrus to something more exotic, closer to how the necronomicon is named; he suggests the Picatrix or the Akashic Record 13:35:55 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39:15 surely the akashic records would be a little large 13:39:35 it is all of the hardbooks 13:40:30 greatorbofeyes: that's why I suggested the singular!! 13:41:00 New unrand - Gyre and Gimble 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9286 by argonaut 13:41:30 hahaha what 13:41:42 eww 13:42:31 it is a good workaround to make dualwielding on a fixedart that is just one weapon, I will admit 13:43:43 kind of boring to not even fit a brand on them though 13:43:51 distortion 13:44:10 oh, argonaut 13:44:13 that was my second guess 13:44:56 oh my god they're swordchucks. 13:47:47 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:49:04 greatorbofeyes: From what I can tell, at min-delay they're base damage 11 swinging on a delay of 3 13:50:38 ??quick blade 13:50:38 quick blade[1/2]: (short blades; +6 acc / 5 dam / 0.7 base delay / 0.3 min delay). Ultra-fast short blade. Doesn't chop hydra heads. 0.2 min delay with haste/finesse. Quick blades cannot have the speed brand. 13:51:10 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:17 looks like they're 12 base delay, 18 sbl for mindelay, and yeah 11 base dam 13:51:20 ??demon blade 13:51:20 demon blade[1/1]: (long blades; -1 acc / 13 dam / 1.3 base delay / 0.6 min delay). A terrible weapon, forged in the fires of Hell. Can be {bless}ed into a {eudemon blade}. 13:51:50 (note it's also 2-handed for obvious reasons) 13:51:52 probably quite strong, honestly 13:51:55 yes 13:56:25 -!- someguy320975 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:57:12 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:03:01 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:07:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:26 the long awaited SpEn buff 14:12:33 !messages 14:12:33 (1/1) johnstein said (2h 55m 47s ago): I also think a server-admin IRC room is a good idea. 14:13:33 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:17:36 -!- lyrick has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:58 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:26 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:57 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:26:45 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27:29 .elrank 14:27:30 1239 games for * (br=lair lvl>2 lvl<8 kmap!~entry kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_ kmap!~altar kmap!=): 72x bobbens_ice_dragon_lair, 69x gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake, 57x ice2_lemuel, 48x dpeg_oklob_gauntlet, 47x dragon1_lemuel, 42x forest_paths, 40x minmay_lindwurm_lava, 36x minmay_lair_drake_nest, 34x kilobyte_rumbling_trees, 32x worms_lemuel, 31x grunt_megastairs_2, 29x grunt_megastairs_3, 28x minmay... 14:27:39 oh man, 3 away from the top 14:27:54 never thought I'd catch up to bobbens, but it looks like it's gonna happen 14:28:53 edlothiol: any thoughts on that webtiles js performance commit I told you about? 14:30:37 !lg * ikiller=shard_shrike 14:30:38 2. oryx the Invulnerable (L27 FoFi of The Shining One), slain by a shard shrike on Coc:7 (coc_dpeg) on 2014-11-24 08:02:36, with 889879 points after 69259 turns and 6:43:32. 14:32:01 -!- Xeiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:32:22 -!- lyrick has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:41:14 -!- anubisbafoobis has quit [Quit: anubisbafoobis] 14:42:00 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:10 !lg * killer=shard_shrike 14:42:12 5. Yermak the Ninja (L27 SpCj of Trog), mangled by a shard shrike (created by the effects of Hell) on Coc:7 (coc_hangedman) on 2014-11-29 09:09:23, with 733176 points after 64654 turns and 10:00:49. 14:42:22 !tv * killer=shard_shrike 14:42:23 5. Yermak, XL27 SpCj, T:64654 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 14:43:36 hm 14:44:29 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:54 oh, I wonder who gooe could be... 14:45:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46:27 -!- gammafun1 is now known as gammafunk 14:46:55 I wish there was a way to get the shard shrikes to be battier when in tight terrain like that 14:47:08 it makes them much more brutal than I'd prefer 14:47:33 yeah, aside from blinking, it's hard 14:47:38 they have no where to move, I presume 14:48:14 I guess there's probably a path from where they are to some other tile, but I'm not sure how the monster AI actually handle batty movement 14:48:48 just give them maintain distance and let them be speed 30 ice tie fighters 14:48:58 is maintain distance a thing 14:49:09 yeah for orb spiders 14:49:21 orb weavers? whatever those are called 14:49:24 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:36 (but don't give shard shrikes maintain distance) 14:49:56 people hate that even more since it's frustrating to get close enough to kill them 14:50:00 they're orb spiders but should be called orb weavers 14:50:07 also speed 30 maintain range flying would just be stupid obv 14:50:30 I honestly wonder if shard shrikes would be easier if they were made blink-y. 14:50:49 are they really too difficult? 14:51:02 are caustics also batty? 14:51:06 caustics are not. 14:51:26 hrm, that seems maybe a bit odd, the difference in movement mechanic for two things named "shrike" 14:51:29 yeah 14:51:39 but I suppose we don't really have that consistency as any kind of rule 14:51:59 jump spiders don't move much like other spiders 14:52:20 I think shard shrikes are sort of fine when in the open and fine when in a corridor but perhaps excessively nasty when they're all packed in a room with you 14:52:39 hrm, jump spiders might be kind of a good model I guess, or maybe something to look at; I don't exactly know what they do 14:52:40 mm 14:52:53 they have blink distant and blink close, iirc 14:52:59 jumping spider (12s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 22-43 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 2016(ensnare), 508(poison:16-32) | see invisible, web sense | Res: 06magic(20), 08blind | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 300 | Sp: blink close [11!AM, 06!sil], blink away [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 14:52:59 %??jumping spider 14:53:06 ya 14:53:30 well, if they're all packed in a room with you 14:53:35 I think there's just no where for them to go 14:53:41 regardless of batty or any blinking 14:53:43 -!- Schizzik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:53:52 that's an extreme case, of course 14:54:00 but for sort of "semi-open" terrain 14:54:09 maybe some blink fun could work better 14:54:28 and for hallways where there's a spot for them to blink to 14:56:15 I will contemplate. 14:56:17 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:17 unseen horror (06x) | Spd: 30 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 12 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 723 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 14:56:17 %??unseen horror 14:56:28 the PonderingFungus 14:56:30 harpy (03H) | Spd: 25 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-50 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 19, 14 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison | XP: 620 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:56:30 %??harpy 14:59:25 .gfnext 14:59:25 DESu^(Sif|Jiyva) 14:59:34 .gfnext 14:59:34 HuFE^Zin 15:03:15 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:26 getting hufe about it? 15:06:59 .gfnext 15:07:00 HuFE^Zin 15:07:06 heh, didn't really account for that 15:07:09 .gfnext 15:07:10 HuFE^Zin 15:07:13 .gfnext 15:07:13 HuFE^Zin 15:07:15 heh 15:07:17 ... 15:07:18 ... 15:07:20 .gfnext 15:07:20 HOAs^Oka 15:09:26 hrm, maybe I could just write a random-choose function that works kind of like !next, saving the last result so as not to repeat, but... 15:09:29 !next 15:09:30 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win "the HE species score with HESu" next. 15:09:33 accurate 15:11:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:14:09 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:11 !lg gammafunk hesu 15:16:12 818. gammafunk the Summoner (L10 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Swamp:1 (cheibrodos_swamp_mausoleum) on 2014-11-30 18:22:14, with 6792 points after 6762 turns and 0:56:36. 15:16:23 shame, that was a good elf 15:16:24 cheibrodos'd again 15:16:33 but josephine on the swamp stairs 15:16:36 had to tele, landed there 15:17:07 -!- Nunya has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1.1/20141113143407]] 15:17:34 oh yeah that game 15:17:39 hm 15:17:46 !lg * swamp killer="ghost crab" 15:17:46 No games for * (swamp killer='ghost crab'). 15:17:49 !lg * swamp ikiller="ghost crab" 15:17:49 1. quixotic the Nimble (L17 TrMo of Cheibriados), slain by a spectral six-headed hydra (called from beyond by a ghost crab) on Swamp:5 (swamp_pestilence) on 2014-09-20 22:34:54, with 170066 points after 33200 turns and 1:24:02. 15:17:58 pity 15:18:00 called from beyond! 15:18:04 ya, good message 15:20:08 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:59 .gfnext 15:21:59 HuFE^Zin 15:22:06 .gfnext 15:22:06 HOAs^Oka 15:24:02 gammafunk, PleasingFungus: Clearly need to rename caustic shrikes to resolve the intraspecies battiness differential. 15:24:27 -!- greensna1k has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:28 so many renamings 15:24:31 it's tiring. 15:24:57 Tiring? I think you meant to say "super exciting". And I'm sure roctavian won't mind totally redoing the tile . . . :D 15:25:11 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:26 "Now they're caustic bears!" 15:25:39 ??todo monsters 15:25:40 todo monsters[1/17]: sloths, cassowaries, moas, hoatzin, locusts, paper wasps, bullet ants, mantis shrimp 15:25:56 Caustic locust or shrimp. Clearly. 15:26:11 Though caustic sloth has a good sound to it 15:26:45 acid albatross 15:26:52 Sold. 15:26:56 penetrating pelican 15:27:04 Melting moa. 15:27:12 dang... 15:27:23 man, this list. 15:27:25 "time flies" 15:27:58 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:58 -!- Tedronai has quit [Changing host] 15:27:58 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:58 -!- Tedronai has quit [Changing host] 15:27:58 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:05 -!- Elsi_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:08 blade horrors, electric rays, rocket hawks, transdimensional hellspiders 15:29:09 someday... 15:31:25 We already have electric rays but we call them eels. Or golems. 15:32:18 or serpents 15:33:55 true 15:34:14 Reflavor shock serpents as rays, move them to Shoals, done. 15:34:48 need a bacteria monster 15:35:05 -!- Crehl has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:05 -!- greatorbofeyes has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:05 -!- ElanMorin has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:05 -!- Earlo has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:05 -!- inspector071 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:06 -!- Elsi has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:06 -!- fortyCakes has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:06 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:06 -!- buppy has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:07 -!- codehero has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:07 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [*.net *.split] 15:35:08 -!- Elsi_ is now known as Elsi 15:35:08 -!- Xjs-moonshine is now known as Xjs|moonshine 15:35:08 When I think of bacteria monsters I think of starcursed masses splitting and rejoining 15:35:10 -!- Tedronai is now known as ElanMorin 15:36:08 I really love the theme of starcursed masses, but man they are pretty unfun to fight 15:36:16 I still have a probably-terrible idea for butterflies that hurt anything standing next to them 15:36:39 gammafunk: yeah. Their behavior/mechanics are pretty opaque imo, which doesn't help 15:36:56 yep 15:37:28 man, you and I don't agree about *anything* in the abyss. 15:37:42 well, except that the "merging when hit" mechanic isn't really communicated well right now. 15:37:45 it's that you say you and "I" 15:37:50 *it's cute that 15:37:55 You think their flavor is terrible but they're a great and transparent monster? 15:38:01 or...well...me I guess 15:38:07 pronouns are weird! 15:38:53 Lasty_: their flavour is great and they're a great monster, but they're not as transparent as they should be 15:38:59 there's a venn diagram here, waiting to get out. 15:39:03 Oh, haha 15:39:09 So we actually agree about a lot of things there :) 15:39:28 well, I was more complaining about gammafunk & the abyss stuff from the other day 15:39:58 yeah they're not fun to fight, and I'm by no means alone in that sentiment, but I agree some tile swapping when they split to indicate potential smite damage at least indirectly 15:40:05 would be a modest improvement 15:40:29 Tile-swapping? Console please. 15:40:43 well slime J use bold colour in console 15:40:46 gammafunk: doesn't potential smite damage purely depend on the # of masses onscreen? 15:40:46 it's not much though 15:40:52 -!- Karagy has quit [Client Quit] 15:41:00 probably? 15:41:10 I mean the idea is you'd use a different tile based on that 15:41:26 not the worst idea 15:41:42 if only we had any spriters 15:41:54 but my objection to them is more how they end up being like a mini trj, making more of themselves, but not even in relation to damage 15:42:06 just like, wherever they happen to be.....surprise...now there are more 15:42:41 if the splitting were more controlled by player action, it'd probably be better; I mean it probably is controllable, but how am I supposed to know how 15:42:42 My main complaint is that 1) it's really hard to tell if they're merging or duplicating or what, and how many distinct source masses there are, and 2) it's really hard to tell what the danger level of the monster is at any given moment. 15:42:51 s/complaint/complaints/ 15:42:56 right basically that 15:42:58 and other tense agreements 15:43:22 Lasty_: does it matter how many distinct source masses there are? 15:43:32 gammafunk: they aren't very much like trj at all.... 15:43:47 if their splitting was controlled by player action, maybe they would be 15:43:48 PleasingFungus: I have no idea! Do they split more if there are more source masses? Do they combine differently? Is their damage potential different? I have no idea at all. 15:43:50 "very much like" was just a reference to trj making more J 15:43:57 Lasty_: no, no, no 15:43:59 respectively 15:44:01 just like all summoners 15:44:14 because they make more things 15:44:21 What about their health pool? Presumably the combined health pool is larger if there were two masses to start w/ 15:44:37 summoners do, but you kill the summoner and.. 15:44:43 remember old monsters summons? 15:45:00 Lasty_: this feels like it shades neatly into complaints about randomized monster health 15:45:11 pleasingfungus: if you want shard shrikes to be more batty, I would presume screwing around with attack and move speeds would make them move more? like jiangshi and sixfirhies 15:45:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:36 theTower: the concern is about tight rooms where they don't have room to bat about 15:45:48 PleasingFungus: I disagree. With a hill giant, after facing one you have some sense of what hp pool "hill giant" represents. After a bunch of encounters, you have a fairly accurate sense. 15:45:52 jiangshi and sixfirhies are an entirely different kettle of fish 15:45:59 sorry cocytus is very cavernous 15:46:20 With masses, I have no idea at all. The feedback is really unclear, and you never know for sure how many distinct mass monsters there were. 15:46:27 two of the five shard kills are people stuck in rooms with shrikes 15:46:34 starcursed mass (02X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 132-169 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Dam: 16 | 11non-living, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1330 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 15:46:34 %??starcursed mass 15:46:37 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:47 the answer is "one, that exploded" 90% of the time 15:46:51 As it is, as soon as I see masses, I run the opposite direction and teleport if needed. Unclear amounts of damage and health coupled with the prospect of irresistable(?) paralysis is just too dangerous. 15:47:16 they do function pretty well as a "run away from that" monster 15:47:16 it's just about controlling LOS 15:47:17 theTower: sure, but 90% is not a great confidence interval in crawl 15:47:20 just like everything in crawl 15:47:24 considering that the paralysis comes when you let them split from, say, runnin 15:47:40 and that if you don't let them expand it's a high health yak 15:47:45 if you can guarantee you won't be in LOS of more than a few in a time, they're pretty easy to handle 15:47:49 theTower: You see one that's 5 steps away. What are the odds that it can paralyse you before you reach it? 15:47:51 and yeah, running away is not a great strategy 15:47:53 Lasty_: 0 15:47:59 assuming you're not a chei-ite 15:48:17 ..is not..? 15:48:18 for starcursed masses 15:48:19 PleasingFungus: But without knowing the monster in and out, how would you know that? 15:48:34 running away is often a very good strategy for them 15:48:37 would you like the minimum para number spelled out in the description 15:48:42 it's five 15:48:44 as it is for most monsters in the abyss tbh 15:48:54 With starcursed masses, after facing one you have some sense of what threat "starcursed mass" represents. After a bunch of encounters, you have a fairly accurate sense. 15:49:08 theTower: I know it's five, but how do I know whether in five steps there will or will not be 5 of them? 15:49:09 well 15:49:10 I say that 15:49:15 but apprarently you don't 15:49:17 so idk 15:49:23 theTower: we were talking about different tiles depending on how many masses are onscreen 15:49:33 and presumably colours? 15:49:38 idk about console 15:49:43 ??glyphs 15:49:44 glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 15:49:51 *I don't care about console 15:50:01 if you play console, you have already accepted that you will have a worse UI 15:50:05 and less information communicated 15:50:11 that's part of the joy of ascii 15:50:13 anyway 15:50:15 do you have any good opinions? 15:50:20 I'm waiting for one to appear 15:50:21 PleasingFungus: I tried that approach of "fight them enough times and you figure it out", but I never figured it out. I learned that sometimes you randomly die, and sometimes you don't, and you never know which one it'll be until the group suddenly does starts getting smaller or you die. 15:50:21 lasty: the thing is, between "run up to it and hit it" or "run away and let it explode" the answer is much more easily the former 15:50:45 theTower: And that works great until it doesn't and you randomly die and you wonder what was different. 15:50:46 you could have a distinctly more vivid tile for five masses 15:50:49 a sort of breakpoint thing 15:50:53 somehow I have never randomly died 15:50:59 !lg Lasty_ ikiller="starcursed mass 15:51:00 No keyword 'mass' 15:51:01 !lg Lasty_ ikiller="starcursed mass: 15:51:02 No keyword 'mass:' 15:51:03 !lg Lasty_ ikiller="starcursed mass" 15:51:04 No games for Lasty_ (ikiller='starcursed mass'). 15:51:06 hm 15:51:13 !lg lasty ikiller=starcursed_mass 15:51:13 No games for lasty (ikiller=starcursed_mass). 15:51:14 !lg Lasty_ killer~~starcursed 15:51:15 No games for Lasty_ (killer~~starcursed). 15:51:15 I think something else killed me while I was paralyzed 15:51:24 !lg Lasty abyss status~~para 15:51:25 1. Lasty the Executioner (L21 HOHe of Elyvilon), slain by an apocalypse crab on Abyss:1 on 2014-04-19 20:41:00, with 328322 points after 76325 turns and 5:18:05. 15:51:34 !lg Lasty abyss status~~para -tv:0.5 15:51:35 Unrecognised TV option: 0.5 15:51:35 theTower: Maybe that's the difference. I used to think that masses were harmless until I started running into situations where they weren't harmless. 15:51:37 !lg Lasty abyss status~~para -tv:<0.5 15:51:38 1. Lasty, XL21 HOHe, T:76325 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 15:51:45 well 15:51:49 they're certainly not *harmless* 15:51:55 smitey damage & smitey paralysis are nasty 15:52:19 oh, you wandered into los of 7 masses 15:52:21 they need luck, like a lot of crawl monsters need 15:52:23 that's gonna hurt 15:52:24 Well, one of two things happens: either you take a small amount of smitey damage and wail on them until they stop existing, or you die. 15:52:37 well 15:52:45 um 15:52:53 with a bunch of options you have an interim period of "quick, pull out a mass hit thing" 15:52:53 are you fighting on some kind of featureless plain 15:52:58 also that 15:52:59 that only features single monsters at a time 15:53:00 and no items, etc 15:53:04 they're just a good example of something that's far too opitmal to run away from; if that's the expectation, it's ok, but it'd be nice if they were maybe a bit less common 15:53:11 I mean, for heaven's sake, did you even watch that tv 15:53:13 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:53:16 wand of cold, wand of fire, clouds rods spells blah blah blah 15:53:22 ?/G menu doesn't work 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9287 by cheetah7071 15:53:22 PleasingFungus: I can't, I'm at work. 15:53:22 o 15:53:23 it was your death 15:53:30 yeah, I'm pretty sure it was my faulty 15:53:32 that one's a duplicate report and it's on my todo, btw 15:53:50 But it was my fault because I had a really warped expectation of what masses do 15:53:58 there's at least three colours available for console, by the way 15:53:59 Lasty_: I think the tile thing could help, and maybe making them bold in console when they can start to para you 15:54:09 and now that I know to run the fuck away they never kill me 15:54:28 at least some better UI communication would make there be less a guessing game 15:54:45 gammafunk's argument is that running away is too effective in abyss, partially due to the way terrain warps & regularly blocks off pursuit, iirc? 15:54:57 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:03 It's true, running away is very effective in the abyss 15:55:14 I remember there was discussion a few months ago about making terrain warps rarer & larger 15:55:22 a whole block of terrain rather than single tiles 15:55:29 Whereas standing still is very bad, since monsters keep spawning around you and if you stay and fight they'll converge on you 15:55:45 PleasingFungus: That sounds very interesting. 15:55:59 PleasingFungus: I'd be interested in seeing something along those lines. 15:56:06 dpeg suggested that there should be a 'preview' of where the warp would be, even 15:56:14 ya it could be cool 15:56:53 also I would be a happy person if abyss didn't do the weird thing where dig/disintegrate sometimes print the message for destroying a wall, but don't 15:57:07 I don't think the terrain warping is really a major issue; I shouldn't have used that word if I did 15:57:16 !lg greaterplayers place=abyss s=ikiller 15:57:18 2021 games for greaterplayers (place=abyss): 155x a smoke demon, 147x, 109x a small abomination, 103x a large abomination, 80x a white imp, 60x a ynoxinul, 58x an Executioner, 55x a sixfirhy, 46x a lemure, 45x a starcursed mass, 45x an ufetubus, 45x a lich, 39x a hellwing, 38x a neqoxec, 37x a skeletal warrior, 37x a thrashing horror, 34x a Balrug, 33x a wretched star, 31x an orange demon, 30x a t... 15:57:27 !lg greaterplayers place=abyss s=ikiller recent 15:57:29 195 games for greaterplayers (place=abyss recent): 14x a starcursed mass, 12x a large abomination, 11x a smoke demon, 11x a thrashing horror, 10x a raiju, 7x a sixfirhy, 7x a wretched star, 6x a spatial maelstrom, 6x a small abomination, 6x a tentacled starspawn, 5x a balrug, 5x, 4x an Executioner, 4x a worldbinder, 3x a blizzard demon, 3x an ancient zyme, 3x a freezing wraith, 3x a sun demon, 3x ... 15:57:31 it's really just the "random junk" type layout combined with the enemy converging on you everywhere on the level 15:57:40 Hey, starcursed mass is #1 15:57:43 ya 15:58:14 pleasingfungus: there used to be some effort done to make sure dug abyss tiles stayed dug, but it had some code burden or something and lost functionality? 15:58:21 !lg * place=abyss s=ikiller recent 15:58:27 13360 games for * (place=abyss recent): 1028x a small abomination, 963x a starcursed mass, 874x a large abomination, 700x a raiju, 654x a wretched star, 652x a thrashing horror, 585x a tentacled starspawn, 564x a smoke demon, 506x, 316x a ynoxinul, 296x a sixfirhy, 295x an ancient zyme, 273x a lich, 226x a bone dragon, 223x a spatial maelstrom, 210x an Executioner, 204x a worldbinder, 179x a balru... 15:58:27 oops 15:58:28 if the pieces of the abyss could be more relatively open with maybe less monsters converging in mass like you're worshiping Q now, it'd be more fun to search for the rune in the abyss 15:58:34 but I'm not sure of a simple fix for that 15:58:37 *en masse 15:58:48 in starcursed mass 15:58:50 !!! 15:58:52 gammafunk: agreed 15:59:04