00:01:28 <|amethyst> doy: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0001-More-random-selection-templates.patch http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0002-Use-random_if.patch 00:01:55 <|amethyst> doy: second one completely untested; probably I managed to screw the logic up in at least one of those loops 00:02:18 |amethyst: don't go completely loopy :) 00:02:41 are panlords ever etc colors other than random? 00:04:14 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus random-iterator-satisfying-predicate: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0001-More-random-selection-templates.patch some uses: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0002-Use-random_if.patch 00:04:14 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:11:59 .gfnext 00:11:59 FoAK^Lucy 00:13:30 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2887-gd875327 (34) 00:14:39 gammafunk: imo FoAK that 00:14:50 !lm . hesu 00:14:51 2883. [2014-11-25 02:14:26] gammafunk the Caller (L4 HESu of Sif Muna) became a worshipper of Sif Muna on turn 1321. (Temple) 00:14:55 need to get back to that one soon 00:15:50 quick we need to get someone on cszo to pan 00:15:57 so we can see ~*~*~colour~*~*~ 00:16:32 -!- cr0ne has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:03 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:19:22 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:20:10 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:23 !tell PleasingFungus seen on cszo: You hear Xom's avuncular chuckle. The titan evaporates and reforms as a shard shrike: 00:23:23 Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:23:33 hrm, how to make a vault place multiple times on a floor and only that floor without repeating on later floors or making a seperate serial-vault style hack 00:26:23 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27:15 !lg * killer~~_the_.*_shrike 00:27:17 1. yangabriel the Warrior (L18 MiFi of Nemelex Xobeh), slain by Nikola the shard shrike on Spider:2 on 2014-11-24 01:51:24, with 209765 points after 41188 turns and 2:16:44. 00:27:20 aw 00:27:22 only one 00:27:46 hm 00:27:56 I was just watching someone enter a wizlab 00:27:57 and it said 00:28:02 "Welcome to a wizard's laboratory!" 00:28:09 I think it should print the actual wizlab name. 00:28:17 yes, please 00:28:46 that is a really good idea im amazed nobody has thought of till now 00:29:13 (also, fix ?: please) 00:30:35 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:33:28 read: its been suggested before, plenty of times i assume 00:33:46 <|amethyst> doy: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0001-Filtered-iterator-class.patch 00:34:09 <|amethyst> doy: not sure how to best make a version that works with adjacent_iterator etc., without duplicating too much code 00:35:11 * Grunt hits the code. The code is duplicated! 00:35:54 anyway sleep 00:35:54 !lg * ikiller=shard_shrike 00:35:55 2. oryx the Invulnerable (L27 FoFi of The Shining One), slain by a shard shrike on Coc:7 (coc_dpeg) on 2014-11-24 08:02:36, with 889879 points after 69259 turns and 6:43:32. 00:36:21 !lg * randliches ikiller~~lich s=ikiller,place 00:36:22 5 games for * (randliches ikiller~~lich): 3x an ancient lich (Pan, Abyss:1, Depths:3), 2x a lich (Vaults:5, Depths:4) 00:36:39 !lg * randliches ikiller~~lich s=ikiller,place,ckaux 00:36:39 5 games for * (randliches ikiller~~lich): 3x an ancient lich (Depths:3 (bolt of lightning), Pan (chain lightning), Abyss:1 (chain lightning)), 2x a lich (Depths:4 (chain lightning), Vaults:5) 00:36:52 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:37:50 hrm, ancient lich in pan.....heh, must have been guarding a zig 00:38:13 ... 00:38:21 every single time somebody asked "what vaults are needed" 00:38:26 how did I forget "zig entries" 00:38:40 -!- DrKe has quit [] 00:38:56 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:58 -!- ruwin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:04 "Something's corpse armour sloughs away." 00:43:27 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:44:39 ...gross 00:44:40 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:45:31 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:15 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:46:46 eurgh, this planned loop 00:48:15 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:18 it would probably be Clever to use dgn.place_maps recursively in a decorative vault to place a certain range on a floor but I am too weak at the moment to figure out how to do that and it's easier by far for a quick hack of a serial vault for highly randomized stylized decor 00:52:14 New branch created: iterators (3 commits) 00:52:14 03|amethyst02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2888-gbdb908e: Filtered iterator class. 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 63+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdb908e1caeb 00:52:14 03|amethyst02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2889-ge959f7c: More random-selection templates. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 36+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e959f7c83b2c 00:52:14 03|amethyst02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2890-g2f0d521: Use random_if. 10(53 minutes ago, 16 files, 135+ 246-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f0d521e25cc 00:52:48 <|amethyst> !tell doy branch iterators (mostly untested) 00:52:48 |amethyst: OK, I'll let doy know. 00:53:07 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus I put it on branch iterators 00:53:08 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:53:57 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:12 ...actually, it's probably not even possible without running into the same allow_dup problem, blargh 00:56:24 screwy like a corkscrew 00:56:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:56:49 <|amethyst> probably the solution to the filtered iterator class failing on adjacent_iterator etc is to make the latter work more like "real" iterators: give them an operator!= that is essentially return !*this && !other || **this == *other; and have a way to make a false iterator 00:56:58 -!- markgo has quit [Client Quit] 00:57:06 <|amethyst> (false = past-the-end) 00:58:31 <|amethyst> If we did that we could also make a wrapper class with begin() and end() methods so you could do for (coord_def c : range(adjacent_iterator(centre))) 00:59:31 <|amethyst> (erm, that return !*this....; would be operator==, not !=) 01:01:30 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 01:02:19 oh, right, I forgot that dgn.place_maps can't even do what normal extra allow_dup does 01:02:26 I give up on tricks 01:04:45 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:07:14 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:09:36 |amethyst: that filtered_iterator class isn't going to be hugely useful (as far as i can tell) because you can't infer class template parameters 01:09:36 doy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:10:20 http://paste.tozt.net/2014-11-30WMLRGIU8-blah.cpp is what i came up with, although i know it still has issues too 01:11:51 <|amethyst> doy: just need a template function wrapper like make_pair to avoid that problem 01:11:54 yeah 01:12:09 it just took me a while to figure out how to write that 01:12:19 i really need to brush up on my c++ 01:12:42 <|amethyst> doy: btw, we already have _always_true for identity_pred 01:13:00 ah, cool 01:13:23 <|amethyst> doy: I kind of prefer to make the predicate a separate template parameter rather than writing it as a function type 01:13:40 <|amethyst> doy: because then you can rely on automatic type conversions 01:13:54 <|amethyst> doy: (of the predicate's parameters and return value) 01:14:38 <|amethyst> doy: otoh, that means shittier error messages 01:14:49 yeah, i just could not figure out how to write it that way and still have a default predicate argument 01:15:01 because default arguments can't be used for template inference 01:15:09 although i guess that isn't hugely important 01:15:33 <|amethyst> doy: use an overload instead of a default parameter? 01:21:41 yeah, i guess that works... i tried that before, but i was probably having other issues at the time 01:22:18 <|amethyst> there's still the question of where it is useful in the current codebase 01:23:06 <|amethyst> can't use it with random_iterator because the latter requires a container with a size() method 01:23:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:24:03 well, random_iterator could pretty easily be converted to use reservoir sampling 01:24:36 <|amethyst> doy: yeah, but then it's O(n) for vectors :( 01:25:22 surely we could use some template specialization magic to provide a different implementation for random access iterators 01:25:29 <|amethyst> yeah, probably 01:25:44 <|amethyst> I never have much luck with that 01:26:04 <|amethyst> I guess I should be reading up on that in more detail 01:26:24 yeah, it is true that diving into this task is reminding me how i actually really can't stand the especially c++-ish parts of c++ 01:26:46 it's probably good for me to know though 01:26:55 <|amethyst> This is the part of C++ I like :) 01:27:02 heh 01:27:05 <|amethyst> except for the error messages 01:27:24 <|amethyst> maybe I should try clang, I hear it's slightly better in that respect than g++ 01:34:21 03tenofswords02 07* 0.16-a0-2888-gc88283c: Minor vault batch 10(5 minutes ago, 7 files, 214+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c88283cccf9a 01:34:22 New branch created: ungendered (1 commit) 01:34:22 03|amethyst02 07[ungendered] * 0.16-a0-2888-gbdc2e65: Add 'ungendered' option for Spivak pronouns. 10(6 minutes ago, 6 files, 16+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdc2e65e205b 01:37:00 huh 01:37:25 -!- DrKe has quit [] 01:37:41 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:40 do I really only have 231 vaults to my name 01:42:44 <|amethyst> !tell ebering If you're looking for another project: make item_glyph, mon_glyph, and feature support -=, and is possible distinguish ^= from += 01:42:44 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ebering know. 01:42:53 <|amethyst> !tell ebering *if possible 01:42:54 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ebering know. 01:46:47 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:04 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:50:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:53 03doy02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2891-gbf94ad1: a few tweaks to the filtered_iterator 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 21+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf94ad17ad75 01:55:22 all these non-D branch vaults tagged with decor and at best most are a third of swamp's 01:56:48 should put in the effort to push one of said branches up, but which one 01:58:47 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:47 The build is still failing. (master - d875327 #894 : Steve Melenchuk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42524322 01:58:47 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:01:22 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:07:56 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:10:05 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:10:09 03doy02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2892-ge68cf14: simplify 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e68cf14c6b10 02:10:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2889-gd00b090: Don't crash on monster Summon Swarm. 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d00b090a1821 02:11:05 <|amethyst> I think that fixes the crashes in https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42524322 02:11:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:13:27 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:24 -!- Xeiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:20:38 ?/g god description doesn't work 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9280 by nubinia 02:23:01 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2889-gd00b090 (34) 02:29:29 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:29 The build failed. (iterators - 2f0d521 #895 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42528009 02:29:29 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:31:08 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:11 it'd be sweet if modifying templates didn't require recompiling literally everything everywhere 02:34:38 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:41 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:34:55 <|amethyst> doh 02:35:12 <|amethyst> error: parameter of overloaded post-increment operator must have type 'int' (not 'bool') 02:35:28 i was wondering about that one 02:39:52 03|amethyst02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2893-gd963650: Fix clang compilation. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d963650c17c6 02:40:57 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:41:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:49 -!- THICK_BOY_REAGAN has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:45:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:47:34 alright, i meant to go to bed like two hours ago 02:47:48 i will come back to this tomorrow 02:48:15 <|amethyst> good night 02:48:16 <|amethyst> and thanks 02:49:00 03doy02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2894-g74fac48: a couple more iteration helpers 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 48+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74fac48f27ea 02:49:00 03doy02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2895-g6536f10: use drop_iterator in one place 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6536f106463c 02:49:00 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2890-gdbabbbf: Anonymise some dummy parameters. 10(4 minutes ago, 5 files, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbabbbf05286 02:51:32 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:57:19 -!- bones_was_here_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:18 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:02:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:05:51 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:51 The build failed. 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Use !messages to read them. 04:21:34 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 04:23:30 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:30 !tell |amethyst wrt the comment in ungendered: I approve of rudeness to orcs 04:29:30 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 04:31:11 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:32:35 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141126030207]] 04:35:56 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2891-gfeb5085: Stop something's corpse armour falling off (ontoclasm) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=feb50857a53a 04:36:34 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 04:39:21 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:44 -!- Hombre has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:07 -!- zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:42:19 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:42:37 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:24 -!- DrKe- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:13 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:47:30 -!- Hombre has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:47:44 -!- Hombre has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:26 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:45 -!- DrKe- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:52:06 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:54:19 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:19 The build failed. 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(master - dbabbbf #901 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42530318 05:29:13 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 05:41:15 !tell PleasingFungus f - the ring "Yxkug" {+Inv rF+ rC+ MR++ Stlth+} (700 Gold) thanks for making gozag pretty good 05:41:15 Bloax: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:42:06 -!- penciltax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 05:44:07 Shard1697 (L17 DsSk) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Swamp:5) 05:44:41 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:56 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 05:47:59 -!- witty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:47:59 -!- witty has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:48:30 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:49:12 -!- OfflineOnly|DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:10 -!- DrKe|Online has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:50:17 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:53:31 -!- DrKe|Online has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:37 -!- DrKe|Online is now known as DrKe|CurrentlyOn 05:53:56 -!- DrKe|CurrentlyOn is now known as CurrentlyOnline 05:54:49 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:54:52 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 05:56:17 -!- OfflineOnly|DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:56:28 Flavor suggestion: There is a special safety system built into wands that circumvents user's lack of understanding of "this end points at the foe" principle, but it takes extra charges to activate. :p Getting down which end is "point this at the foe" thing is actually a reason why ID'd wands work better. 05:56:41 -!- CurrentlyOnline is now known as DrKe264 05:57:07 Extra penalty of charges for users with Int > 6. 05:58:32 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:52 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:02:47 why do wands need to be IDed? 06:03:52 -!- ChongLi has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:04:31 chequers: It is supposed to promote meaningful choices. Part of the game design philosophy. 06:04:40 I think it does exactly this quite nicely. 06:06:32 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:07:47 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:21:48 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:52 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:34 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:46:00 -!- OfflineOnly|DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:15 -!- OfflineOnly|DrKe is now known as DrKe265 06:48:23 -!- DrKe264 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:49:23 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:32 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:51:21 -!- DrKe264 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:29 -!- DrKe265 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:55:06 !tell doy insomnia-inspired insight: monster chain lightning has the same damage/power curve as players, unlike almost every other spell; imo flatten the curve and calibrate around Nikola 06:55:07 Grunt: OK, I'll let doy know. 06:55:40 * Grunt tries to go back to sleep. 07:01:35 !tell doy currently max dam is 10 + pow*2/3 where pow = 4*hd for monsters; how about 40+pow/9 (= 48 for Nikola in both cases, 82 -> 52 for aliches) 07:01:35 Grunt: OK, I'll let doy know. 07:03:30 -!- DrKe264 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:10:11 -!- DrKe264 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:58 -!- aiguu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:17:32 -!- DrKe264 is now known as DrKe258 07:26:53 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:29:17 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:29:27 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 07:39:02 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:42:52 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:31 Grunt: sounds reasonable to me 07:47:31 doy: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:47:59 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:02 i figured there was someone around who understood the details of the monster chain lightning implementation 07:48:04 (: 07:49:17 I hated the wands change at first, but I think the only problem with it is that the attack wands don't have enough charges to be worth identifying 07:49:20 cold/fire/draining 07:52:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:53:40 I'm not "around"; I'm trying to sleep and keep getting distracted by Ideas(tm) 07:53:51 <_< 07:54:34 !tell Lasty titles for Wulndraste the Traveler: Homesick (penance), Curious, Sightseer, Tourist, Nomad, Wayfarer, Voyager, Omnipresent 07:54:34 Grunt: OK, I'll let lasty know. 07:54:50 another random thought: maybe we should instead just rebalance monster hd 07:54:52 (: 07:55:12 sounds like a long term project 07:55:19 HD does too much. 07:59:31 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:03:23 -!- DrKe258 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:07:15 -!- DrKe258 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:37 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 08:11:57 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:22:19 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 08:22:35 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 08:23:19 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:53 Another wacky idea: under this god, you can collect staircases! (This works particularly well for the conducts where you can only use a single > staircase on each level.) When you step on one, you pick it up. 08:23:58 stairgod! 08:24:09 -!- DrKe258 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:24:10 stairmaster 08:25:57 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:27:05 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:29:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:27 -!- DrKe258 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:06 -!- DrKe258 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:38:47 -!- DrKe258 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:52 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:23 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:22 -!- DrKe258 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:55:59 -!- DrKe258 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:43 -!- Philonous_ is now known as Philonous 09:00:09 then have an ability with a high piety cost that lets you place staircases in arbitrary places 09:04:28 -!- aiguu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:08:09 Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) a - a +4 staircase (weapon) 09:08:25 !tell |amethyst I think I have a working proof of concept. 09:08:25 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 09:09:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:11:47 alternately, i wonder if power for monster spells is even meaningful 09:11:57 hmmm 09:12:10 i guess it is in order to let some spells share implementations between monster and player 09:12:15 never mind 09:12:48 -!- DrKe258 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:17:12 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:18:30 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:37 -!- DocEon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23:58 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:24:54 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:25:05 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:26:11 you know 09:26:39 i wonder if ancient lich chain lightning would be excessively murderous even if it was the same damage as nikola 09:26:52 because at least with nikola you know you definitely need relec 09:27:04 and nikola still has a kill ratio of ~5% 09:27:41 i mean, electric golems are certainly still a reason why relec is something you want 09:27:43 but 09:28:06 i guess people tend to do a lot of equipment switching in zot:5? 09:28:10 I agree. if you find out the lich has chain lightning and you have no rElec / !resist / cBlink you're dead 09:28:39 electric golems are not as bad because EV works against them 09:29:03 there's a lot of equipment switching in zot:5 and it's not always that you find rElec 09:29:21 because it's only found on randarts and you know what's up with randarts 09:29:26 yeah, electric golems are also not incredibly bad even without relec 09:29:43 and even then you might want to not pop a !res for every golem you meet 09:31:35 i'll push the damage rescaling at least, but it might be good to do a bit more thinking before adding that back to liches 09:31:52 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:34:30 -!- dead_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:34:59 the rescaling only cuts max damage by around a quarter, which i'm not sure is going to be all that meaningful if people were already getting two-shotted before 09:35:15 -!- DrKe258 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:21 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-2892-g8b5e8d6: tone down damage scaling for monster chain lightning 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b5e8d6b319c 09:36:55 does this nerf nikola? 09:38:26 no 09:38:51 it's rescaled around nikola's previous damage, since he was previously the only user 09:39:14 ah ok 09:39:44 -!- DrKe258 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:44:25 -!- DrKe258 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:10 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:46:33 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-2893-gba170f6: adjust lich primary spell weights 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba170f61b8dc 09:49:01 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:47 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:51:32 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:32 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:47 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:57 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:56:22 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:50 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:55 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:06:08 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:08:08 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:39 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:41 -!- DrKe258 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17:04 Jorgrun won't move unless he is in LoS 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9281 by Floodkiller 10:20:06 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:36 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:24:40 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28:34 hm 10:28:36 hmmm 10:28:45 how do you specialize a template based on an associated type 10:29:00 maybe I should revive my old insulation ego idea 10:29:02 <_< 10:29:10 doy: what type? 10:29:13 oh 10:29:20 template 10:29:21 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:29:24 I read temple 10:29:25 rip 10:32:21 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:24 <|amethyst> doy: what do you mean by "associated type"? 10:32:24 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:32:32 template<> class something 10:32:33 ? 10:32:34 i guess c++ calls them "member types" 10:32:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:33:39 <|amethyst> a type nested within a different class? The same class? 10:34:24 same class - i'm trying to figure out that thing we were talking about last night, where we have a different implementation of random_iterator depending on whether the template parameter is a container with a random access iterator or not 10:35:18 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:36:58 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:46:58 -!- paco has quit [Client Quit] 10:48:11 -!- Guest92301 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:50:40 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:40 The build was broken. (master - ba170f6 #904 : Jesse Luehrs): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42550140 10:50:40 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:53:54 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:02 -!- aiguu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:58:37 ... 10:58:38 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:59:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:12 hmmm 11:02:29 i guess a sufficiently smart compiler would be able to optimize away the dead code paths in something like "if (is_same::value) { thing1() } else { thing2() }" 11:02:31 right? 11:02:50 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-2894-gd50c8f4: fail deps.pl if submodules don't download properly 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d50c8f4836d1 11:03:07 !death the code 11:03:07 Death has come for the code... 11:03:40 <|amethyst> doy: maybe, but I think the usual way is to make a helper template function that takes the iterator tag as a (function) parameter 11:04:18 hmmm 11:04:32 and a sufficiently smart compiler would be able to optimize out the use of that parameter? 11:05:47 <|amethyst> doy: not sure, but the tag is an empty class, so even if it doesn't it's just one additional register 11:05:55 <|amethyst> s/just/probably just/ 11:09:42 so something like this then? http://paste.tozt.net/2014-11-30FgR55pS9 11:09:54 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:20 <|amethyst> doy: iterator_category is a type, so that needs to be: return random_iterator_impl(container, typename C::iterator::iterator_category()); 11:11:59 <|amethyst> doy: oh 11:12:08 ah, right 11:12:11 <|amethyst> doy: I think you may need iterator_traits<> ? 11:12:30 also possibly that 11:12:31 <|amethyst> I don't know if the iterators themselves contain their categories 11:12:35 they do 11:12:39 <|amethyst> here's what I came up with 11:12:39 but pointers don't 11:12:43 which is the use for iterator_traits 11:12:53 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:13:03 <|amethyst> http://sprunge.us/ICTi 11:14:01 <|amethyst> (the change in arena.cc was just so I could verify that it was using the random_access version) 11:14:21 yeah, that looks much better than my version 11:14:23 (: 11:14:31 <|amethyst> I'll push this 11:14:35 <|amethyst> it compiles for me anyway :) 11:14:57 |amethyst: make test? :) 11:15:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but travis will do that for me :) 11:15:16 true 11:15:29 also, this isn't something that the test suite would catch 11:15:30 (: 11:15:48 doy: hrm, we have no arena tests in make test? 11:15:48 <|amethyst> doy: though your version of the non-random-access iterator is better, since it doesn't use an always-true predicate 11:16:08 I guess arena is probably less usefull than testing the normal game state 11:16:10 gammafunk: this shouldn't affect behavior, only efficiency 11:16:18 <|amethyst> there are a few, but that won't tell us whether it's actually 1. choosing randomly or 2. using the right overload 11:16:25 <|amethyst> s/or/and/ 11:16:39 !tell PleasingFungus I rebased that patch 11:16:39 ebering: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:16:39 ebering: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:17:11 doy: well as a matter of principle some testing would be done with any commit, but I guess that's why you set up travis, like |amethyst said 11:17:25 yeah 11:17:36 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:38 tbh I'm not sure what's the best pre-push testing that should be done now that we have travis 11:17:53 I used to do a lot and it was time consuming, but maybe we can let travis do it 11:18:08 <|amethyst> for trunk you should definitely make sure it doesn't crash 11:18:25 <|amethyst> Though running make test doesn't always help there 11:18:42 yeah, it's probably that you still need to think of potential crash cases and explicitely test those 11:19:08 sadly that may involve testing tiles and webtiles/console in some cases 11:19:20 *testing both 11:19:44 if you use branches more often, you can just wait for travis to run the tests before merging 11:19:50 i do that sometimes 11:20:09 <|amethyst> %git cdc3713 11:20:09 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-2633-gcdc3713: Fix menus, remove grep (#9248, #9249) 10(8 days ago, 2 files, 6+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdc3713a70a2 11:20:27 <|amethyst> I ran 'make test', but the test suite doesn't actually go through any menus 11:20:39 <|amethyst> so I didn't notice that the main menu was broken 11:21:00 yeah, and with a menu entry being broken and not causing a crash, it's hard to imagine any test suite catching that 11:21:11 *being broken yet not causing a crash 11:22:09 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2894-gd50c8f4 (34) 11:23:15 -!- ParallaxScroll1 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:23:30 <|amethyst> doy: what would be nice is if it could fall back to the input_iterator version also if the container doesn't provide a size() method 11:23:58 <|amethyst> doy: I guess, though, random_access_iterators always give you a way to count size, since you can take differences 11:25:28 New branch created: insulation (2 commits) 11:25:29 03Grunt02 07[insulation] * 0.16-a0-2895-g83c5215: Armour ego: insulation. 10(8 minutes ago, 9 files, 32+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=83c52150fbbe 11:25:29 03Grunt02 07[insulation] * 0.16-a0-2896-g0941268: Give either Nikola's cloak or gloves the insulation ego. 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=09412687e61b 11:25:50 Hooray, insulation. 11:27:05 <|amethyst> Grunt: related to that, I was idly thinking of rings of air/earth to go alongside fire/ice: enhancer + (rElec, AC-4) or (rElec-, AC+4) 11:27:12 s/AC-4/AC-3/ 11:27:22 |amethyst: funnily enough I was thinking that earlier 11:27:28 :) 11:28:37 03|amethyst02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2896-g3f2192e: Specialise random_iterator for random-access iterators. 10(35 seconds ago, 2 files, 31+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f2192e99ddd 11:29:42 !lm . 11:29:43 10879. [2014-11-30 17:23:36] gammafunk the Sneak (L6 HESu of Sif Muna) killed Menkaure on turn 2266. (D:6) 11:29:59 Grunt: got your pizza vault when I was sad about only equiv of 6 rations on d:8 11:30:03 <3 11:31:36 FR: make Necromutation give you *both* vampiric and draining unarmed melee (50%, on a dice roll). This will potentially make it worthwhile for Transmuters. Maybe it won't be shunned by "power players", even. :) 11:31:41 RobertPalmer (L27 OpNe) (Zig:26) 11:31:56 |amethyst: yeah, using end(container) - begin(container) instead of container.size() might be better 11:34:01 |amethyst: heh, begin(container) - end(container) is almost certainly not going to do the right thing(: 11:34:27 <|amethyst> doh 11:35:31 next Grunt will be giving us the insufflation branch, where you take potions with your nose 11:35:52 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:35:58 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:36:07 <|amethyst> bh: fortunately mummies don't have noses 11:36:44 03|amethyst02 07[iterators] * 0.16-a0-2897-g4702224: 0 is not random (doy, doh) 10(87 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4702224f7967 11:37:09 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:06 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:06 The build is still failing. (master - d50c8f4 #905 : Jesse Luehrs): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42554024 11:38:06 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:38:07 |amethyst: have you even been to a museum, bro? 11:38:58 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:15 <|amethyst> oh, I guess our mummies do have noses, they just can't spell 11:39:19 <|amethyst> s/spell/smell/ 11:39:20 |amethyst: hm, do staves of fire/cold currently give rF-/rC-, and should air/earth do the same if there are rings? 11:39:24 er 11:39:28 rC-/rF- 11:39:38 mimmie 11:39:38 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:39:53 !insulate PleasingFungus 11:40:13 Grunt: They don't give rF-/rC- at the moment, I am pretty sure. 11:40:23 yeah 11:40:29 probably under the reasoning that they take up the hand slot 11:40:33 beware the hand cost...! 11:40:52 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:41:02 I thought so, but I thought maybe I was remembering oddly :) 11:41:29 !learn add |amethyst <+|amethyst> oh, I guess our mummies do have noses, they just can't spell 11:41:30 |amethyst[19/19]: <+|amethyst> oh, I guess our mummies do have noses, they just can't spell 11:41:43 Is there a chance that I can get someone to cooperate on my personal fantasy that liches are a master race and Lichform should give player some vampiric-branded melee? :p 11:41:44 oh, clearly give air RMsl, and then give Earth AMsl 11:41:53 attract missiles 11:42:08 >_> 11:42:31 potatolizard, doy: dpeg actually suggested the stair collection idea :) 11:42:37 for wbacktrackicus 11:42:46 PleasingFungus: Wulndraste 11:42:48 <3 11:42:55 somebody: you know it already gives branded melee, right 11:43:00 PleasingFungus: yes, that was copypasted from devwiki 11:43:07 imo scarab melee 11:43:18 o 11:43:21 that would explain 11:43:24 why it sounded familiar 11:43:28 yes :b 11:43:53 PleasingFungus: Riiight, but something should probably also give vampiric melee... and Lichform is currently regarded by most good players as *not worth it*, so why not? 11:44:22 how many people punch in lichform 11:44:29 how useful is vamp when you can punch in lichform 11:44:33 potatolizard: NOT. ENOUGH. 11:44:42 <_< 11:45:31 somebody: you are begging the question really hard. 11:45:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:36 <|amethyst> we already have something that gives vampiric melee, anyway 11:45:38 <|amethyst> being a vampire 11:45:45 :) 11:45:49 <3 11:45:57 |amethyst: Ah. I sort of forgot about that. 11:46:05 PleasingFungus: This question? 11:47:14 In any case, there's probably still the thing with Necromutation considered not being powerful enough to bother with by most good players. 11:47:37 I am not sure if it actually bothers anyone but me, so please let me know. 11:48:31 one, I don't think "something should probably give vampiric melee". (barring being a vampire.) two, I don't think that giving necromutation SPWPN_VAMPIRISM would change anyone's mind about whether it was worth the xp cost. three, I think the current SPWPN_DRAINING is more thematic. 11:50:10 RobertPalmer (L27 OpNe) (Pan) 11:51:12 !crashlog RobertPalmer 11:51:12 8. RobertPalmer, XL27 OpNe, T:166217 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/RobertPalmer/crash-RobertPalmer-20141130-174956.txt 11:51:27 PleasingFungus: Okay, this makes sense. However, do *you* think that it's powerful enough or worth the XP cost? 11:51:43 somebody: I think it is too powerful, and not worth the xp cost for most characters. 11:51:46 It is a very weird spell. 11:51:49 !source _do_high_level_summon 11:51:50 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l3911 11:52:02 It's only worth it for extended 11:52:09 PleasingFungus: Maybe you are right. 11:52:45 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:52:46 %git d00b090a1 11:52:46 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-2889-gd00b090: Don't crash on monster Summon Swarm. 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d00b090a1821 11:53:05 ah 11:53:06 oh, shoot 11:53:09 !seen |amethyst 11:53:09 I last saw |amethyst at Sun Nov 30 17:45:38 2014 UTC (7m 31s ago) saying 'being a vampire' on ##crawl-dev. 11:53:52 |amethyst: the LLD admin is reporting that some of the games from his server aren't showing up on CAO, e.g. http://lazy-life.ddo.jp:8080/morgue/dis/morgue-dis-20141110-141114.txt . do you know what's going on there? 11:54:40 |amethyst: reference http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/dis 11:54:50 how can we deny the mighty hell lord Dispater his goodplayer status? 11:55:29 also, he's having trouble rebuilding, but that's because he's on gcc 4.6 (which he already realized) 11:55:39 so I gave him a little bit of basic advice on that, which is hopefully enough to get him through? 11:56:53 oh, is he not building on a unix os? 11:57:07 he's on ubuntu 12.04 11:57:11 so he should be fine 11:57:13 once he upgrades his gcc 11:57:19 same thing travis uses 11:57:34 that's promising! 11:58:31 ebering: :) 12:00:54 that's what cbro uses too (fwiw) 12:02:17 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:03:28 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:04:09 "Somebody the Sensei (L21 DgTm), blown up by an ancient lich on Vaults:5, with 385636 points after 71356 turns and 6:17:10." 12:04:15 rip 12:04:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, wonder why this is missing... it's in CAO's copy of the logfile 12:04:44 I assume that was ood 12:04:57 Okay, it's *really* ironic. Forget my secret fantasy about Liches being a master race and making Necromutation more powerful. 12:05:15 !lg somebody ikiller=ancient_lich x=ckaux 12:05:16 1. [ckaux=wavering orb of destruction] Somebody the Sensei (L21 DgTm), blown up by an ancient lich on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2014-11-30 18:03:37, with 385636 points after 71356 turns and 6:17:10. 12:05:20 wavering! 12:05:24 kablooey 12:05:30 !lg somebody ikiller=ancient_lich x=ckaux,tdam,dam 12:05:30 1. [ckaux=wavering orb of destruction;tdam=35;dam=35] Somebody the Sensei (L21 DgTm), blown up by an ancient lich on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2014-11-30 18:03:37, with 385636 points after 71356 turns and 6:17:10. 12:05:34 !tv somebody ikiller=ancient_lich tv:<0.5 12:05:34 Broken query near '<0.5 -tv' 12:05:35 good dam 12:05:38 erp 12:05:45 !lg somebody ikiller=ancient_lich -tv:<0.5 12:05:45 1. Somebody, XL21 DgTm, T:71356 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 12:06:00 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:04 woah 12:06:06 PleasingFungus: Notice my inventive tactic! The damn thing just won't burn... 12:06:06 that's a lot 12:06:08 of adders 12:06:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: sure enough, it's missing from the db :( 12:06:13 heh 12:06:26 gammafunk: I was foolish. I should have spawned more and shielded myself. 12:06:28 somebody: hey, you got it moderately damaged! 12:06:31 and then you tabbed at high speed 12:06:47 yeah and STS adders probably should not be immolatable 12:06:47 PleasingFungus: Big. Fucking. Consolation. 12:06:52 since they're summons 12:06:56 gammafunk: Don't touch that! 12:07:00 somebody: rip 12:07:01 He-he. 12:07:06 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I could regenerate the db, but that will take several hours and it would be likely to happen again 12:07:19 my commit title will be "Further nerf somebody" 12:07:29 gammafunk: I hate you. 12:08:03 gammafunk: imo make all summons inner flameable 12:08:15 * somebody is pencilling in "Being able to feel only hate for gammafunk" in his to-do list. 12:08:21 I'm not sure whether I'm serious or not. 12:08:23 I hope that's a joke 12:08:24 PleasingFungus: Yeah, this would be a lot more fun. 12:08:46 well, I guess it'd be ok for ?immolation kinda sorta 12:08:51 but def. not inner flame 12:09:03 gammafunk: I'd be happy enough with that. 12:09:14 you were using the scroll there? 12:09:16 I didn't see 12:09:20 (In cases anyone accidentally cares.) 12:09:32 I guess so, inner flame is single target iirc 12:10:05 it is. 12:10:13 gammafunk: Yes, I was. It's a good tactic for early Dungeon. 12:10:21 gammafunk: It would be great to see ?Immolation being more different from I.Flame. 12:10:26 but tbh the scroll itself is the gimmick of inner-flaming all the thing already, making it interact with e.g. summon butterflies 12:10:32 is just bad 12:10:38 somebody: I am not sure it would be. 12:10:50 how would players know what to expect? 12:10:57 gammafunk: Maybe damage should just scale better. 12:11:06 Butterflies — tiny sparks of flame. 12:11:28 I think the more sensible thing is that inner flame can target actual things 12:11:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:11:47 it's already very liberal what it will affect, but summons feels too liberal 12:12:17 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:39 gammafunk: Well, how about zombies? 12:12:50 that seems fine to me 12:13:04 * somebody is relived. 12:13:31 the reason that inner flame can affect sticks to snakes is that they're considered more "real" than most summons, since they take a resource (arrows) to create, in the same way that zombies take corpses to create. 12:13:48 this is also why s2s does a bunch of other goofy stuff, like attacking out of LOS, etc 12:13:50 iirc 12:14:13 By the way, while you people are all busy rejecting my ideas, can I get someone to take a look at my poor, sad deceased character? 12:14:53 http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Somebody/morgue-Somebody-20141130-180337.txt 12:15:02 <|amethyst> what about it? 12:15:23 Was there anything I should have been less silly about? 12:15:30 Okay, I guess I'll ask at ##crawl. 12:15:33 <|amethyst> maybe you want ##crawl for that :) 12:15:35 <|amethyst> yeah 12:15:58 <|amethyst> Should have been less silly by dying on D:5 instead of making it to V:5 12:16:08 <|amethyst> that's my official dev advice 12:17:02 |amethyst: You are awesome. PM me you passport name so I can convince someone to name their non-ugly children after you. 12:17:18 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 12:17:47 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:05 his passport name is |amethyst 12:18:14 we require all devs to use passport names on irc 12:18:26 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:18:31 PleasingFungus' parents were really into gardening 12:18:38 <|amethyst> My passport name is "PASSPORT - United States of America" 12:18:53 |amethyst doesn't need a passport; every customs officer on the planet is required to memorize his face and let him through without question 12:18:56 * theTower shakes and rattles. 12:19:20 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:37 yeah, I bet you just tear up the dance floor 12:20:18 While reciting values from the gamma function, pretty much yeah 12:20:58 man, I don't even have plans for the twelfth nick 12:21:05 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:05 The build failed. (insulation - 0941268 #906 : Steve Melenchuk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/42555631 12:21:05 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:22:26 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:22:32 <|amethyst> /nick sgtmajor_arcana 12:23:21 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:02 hell no 12:24:45 ebering: you left in my dumb blood comment ,3 12:24:46 <3 12:24:57 theTower: an elf with :summonings entered swamp (best branch for me) at 6.5k right on time.....josephine and a pack of Z completely surrounding me, random teleport takes me to *more* undead (bunch of W in some vault) 12:25:18 I know it's not fair to blame you but I have to blame someone 12:25:18 am I responsible for every single vault in 12:25:21 of course it is 12:25:35 which one was that? phantasmal and two wraiths? 12:25:43 some circular rock enclosure 12:25:46 oh I can just check the log 12:25:49