00:00:06 demonic oklob. 00:00:07 G seems to give very little early on; even when you get potion petition purchasable the first time, it's unlikely to be especially powerful 00:00:11 hm. actually, I wonder if I'm misunderstanding the mechanic. 00:00:17 is the glow an actual radius? 00:00:30 no 00:00:32 or is it just "this gold is active & distracting everything "nearby" (in LOS)"? 00:00:35 yes 00:00:44 o 00:00:47 it looks exactly like a radius 00:01:00 well the los is a radius? 00:01:12 its meant to distinguish it from regular piles of gold 00:01:14 not sure what you mean by looks exactly like a radius 00:01:29 it's covering a set of tiles around the gold. 00:01:31 a radius. 00:01:40 which you would reasonably expect to be the active, relevant radius. 00:02:02 you mean the visuals for all adjacent tiles? 00:02:27 I mean that it visually covers all adjacent tiles, yes. 00:02:29 yeah I guess that could be confusing, I think the idea is to communicate "hey this gold has an effect" 00:02:52 sure, I now get that's what it's *trying* to do. 00:06:22 if you put any kind of halo around it, even if it's only on one tile, the same kind of confusion could arise unless the halo has the radius of an los, but that'd be annoying 00:06:53 by one tile I mean even if only the pile of gold itself were illuminated 00:07:18 <|amethyst> you know, it would be really nice is std::map iterators converted to bool (with .end() == false) 00:07:37 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:38 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#461 (domino - bf64415 : Brendan Hickey): The build has errored. 00:07:38 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/d31656bb52c4...bf6441553535 00:07:38 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41070440 00:07:38 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:08:48 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:08:59 possibly I am the only person confused by it. 00:09:02 in that case it's w/e. 00:09:05 I guess you could: use a distinct tile and glyph for gozag-enabled gold and print a message about the gold for the x cursor (a distracting pile of gold) 00:09:25 and then have no special halo 00:09:28 hey I found a zig 00:09:36 add a bunch of twinklies to the tile 00:09:47 make them animate with ui_random 00:09:55 an overlay 00:09:56 yeah, for the glyph you could probably find a different symbol 00:10:01 euro 00:10:02 but for ascii mode it's a bit of a problem I guess 00:10:12 make the gold ETC_GOLD 00:10:15 on console 00:10:17 problem solved 00:10:18 <3 00:10:19 etc_disco 00:10:19 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:27 gold isn't etc_gold, is it 00:10:28 huh 00:10:31 it's yellow 00:10:36 etc_gold is yellow and brown 00:10:42 well yeah that's another approach 00:10:46 maybe an ETC_SHINY 00:10:50 white/yellow/brown 00:11:01 ETC_BLING 00:11:19 for tiles make the aura appear only on the gold tile and change the tiles to sparkles 00:11:22 :) 00:11:43 (mind you, without summoning myself I don't need more restab on these characters in the slightest in zigs) 00:12:01 (so I am going to add an extremely small benemut potion chance too) 00:12:09 (corruption, clearly.) 00:12:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2257-g39c7246 (34) 00:12:31 yeah mummy zig levels were the main reason for a bit more restorab 00:12:38 oh, right, those 00:12:40 since you could go through several such levels yet not find any 00:12:42 the things I die to 00:13:37 !nick theTower 00:13:37 No nick mapping for thetower. 00:13:45 !lg hangedman xl>15 s=ikiller 00:13:46 40 games for hangedman (xl>15): 16x, 2x you, a Pit Fiend, a battleaxe of flaming, Khufu, a deep elf sorcerer, an orc warrior, a deep elf master archer, a blizzard demon, a soul eater, a deep elf blademaster, Buajeig the pandemonium lord, a titan, an anaconda, a ghost moth, an Angel, a cacodemon, an illusion of Mara, an ancient lich, a green draconian annihilator, a naga mage, a profane servitor, a... 00:13:51 ....you 00:13:51 8520 00:13:53 really 00:14:09 that's the total item weight in zigs currently 00:14:12 ugh, fine 00:14:22 pit fiend, nice 00:14:32 I've never even fought one of those I *think* 00:14:42 !lg * ikiller=pit_fiend max=cv x=cv 00:14:42 118. [cv=0.11-a] BakaFlockaFlame the Slayer (L27 NaBe of Trog), blasted by a Pit Fiend (blast of hellfire) on D:23 on 2012-02-01 20:51:35, with 599835 points after 89899 turns and 8:08:55. 00:14:43 gammafunk: by "things I die to" I mean one online zig and one offline zig 00:15:08 well I've only been in like 3, don't think I've died yet 00:15:37 ??hangedman[more_zigs_than 00:15:38 I don't have a page labeled hangedman[more_zigs_than in my learndb. 00:15:44 ??hangedman[more z 00:15:45 hangedman[3/19]: 1learn hangedman more zigs than wins 00:15:54 theTower: :) 00:16:12 question: didn't pain brand let you train necromancy at some point? 00:16:22 hrm, that would make a lot of sense 00:16:26 I don't think so 00:17:36 seems kind of odd that it doesn't. brand of "useless until you do find animate skeleton"? 00:17:50 I don't know how pain brand damage really works though 00:18:11 okay, 0.234% explicit chance for restab per zig item tile is maybe a little low 00:18:28 sorry, people looking for royal jellies in zigs. 00:19:05 wait, no, that's the exactly wrong thing to edit 00:19:05 one benefit of the current system is that if you find an early pain brand, kiku looks better 00:21:23 gammafunk: how does 0.5% chance per zig item square sound 00:21:41 guess I'd think in terms of 00:21:47 oh hey I can just check 00:22:10 considering that zig loot scales with completed zig this is not precisely objstattable :P 00:22:30 bennu (08b) | Spd: 16 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-92 | AC/EV: 6/16 | Dam: 2708(holy), 1813(drain), 1804(napalm) | evil, see invisible, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(140), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++ | Vul: 12drown, 08holy | XP: 1286 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:22:30 <|amethyst> %??bennu 00:22:42 <|amethyst> oh, okay, they are evil 00:23:01 it's kind of hard to avoid them being evil, they explode in ghostly fire 00:23:15 theTower: well I think it's very relevent to think in terms of the first zig 00:23:17 0.67 0.00 4.00 00:23:23 average min max 00:23:28 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:23:29 restorab in the first zig 00:23:30 <|amethyst> theTower: it's actually the drain-XP 00:23:46 I know it's the drain-xp, that is just a side benefit of having drain-xp :P 00:25:18 so we're talking like 1.3 restorab on average if you make it 0.5% 00:25:29 gammafunk: replace the good_loot and super_loot lines of ziggurat.lua with http://pastebin.com/eiazLNmt 00:25:46 and then run objstat for restab and benemut 00:26:43 well I think you can multiply number created by the increase in probability just fine 00:26:50 don't see why that wouldn't be accurate 00:26:58 so yeah you're placing at least one on average 00:27:01 with that increase 00:27:11 "good enough" 00:27:13 could go a bit more, but that'd satisfy at least getting one 00:27:30 pfff, and step into the actual zig loot? 00:28:03 well, "step", I mean these are not large magnitudes we're talking; I just wanted there to be one on average so that's fine 00:28:04 I could probably figure out some smarter stuff with, like, magical level use much later 00:28:14 yeah I mean maybe even 00:28:18 conditional on the monster set but 00:28:21 it gets elaborate 00:28:56 yes, I need to keep some sanity 00:29:34 give rf items on the fire levels, rc items on the ice levels, rn items on the... 00:29:49 there are negative energy levels. 00:31:22 maybe there should be summoning levels. 00:31:35 isn't that tomb 00:31:51 not summoning enough 00:32:07 seems like most of the nasty zig levels have summoners 00:32:12 fire notably doesn't 00:32:14 I think 00:32:27 I guess none of the elemental ones 00:32:40 but only air and fire are much to worry about 00:33:07 corrupters and greater demon probably isn't enough for summon bombing to be anything, I guess 00:33:23 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:33:46 gammafunk: crypt... okay, curse skulls and revenants summon right 00:34:12 also some champions, vampire mages 00:34:32 those are the ones that summon under the silence of a completely full zig floor. 00:34:57 !vault asmod 00:34:57 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/hell.des;hb=HEAD#l381 00:35:26 earth should try to be a little scray, between the hell sentinels and earth fodder 00:37:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:40:10 03tenofswords02 07* 0.16-a0-2258-g2a7ae65: Edit zig loot mildly. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a7ae6531c3d 00:41:14 I will once more echo that nemelex is silly in a zig 00:41:43 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:43 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#462 (sdl2 - f5d2995 : Steve Melenchuk): The build passed. 00:41:43 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/95e4a74b54df...f5d29954f44d 00:41:43 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41070840 00:41:43 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:43:01 \o/ 00:44:04 I think I know how to address the "show keyboard" thing both in the short term and the medium term 00:44:06 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: bye!] 00:44:17 (on Android) 00:44:31 short term: click in an otherwise unhandled location to bring keyboard up 00:44:51 after that, have it show if it's hidden if we need text input for something (^F, etc.) 00:48:32 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:48:46 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:49:01 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:49:38 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:06:38 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:08:10 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:08:52 a - 816 gold the ring "Brior" {rF++ rC++ AC+1 Dex-2} <- enjoying the gozag shop experience 01:09:11 started noticing gold distraction in lair, though it still doesn't seem significant even with big piles of gold everywhere 01:09:12 idk 01:10:43 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:43 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#463 (master - 1e8e0b6 : Steve Melenchuk): The build passed. 01:10:43 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/943817a3de95...1e8e0b63cae3 01:10:43 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41072264 01:10:43 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:16:06 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:17:36 update: I am not the only one confused by the gold aura 01:17:38 so probably we should fix it 01:17:54 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:21:55 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:23:17 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1/20141106120505]] 01:27:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:33:23 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:05 ... 01:34:30 so, if you stand away from a javelineer in reaching range, they will use their spear 01:34:49 anywhere else, including adjascent to them, will get javelins 01:35:20 somehow I think M_DONT_MELEE is short-circuiting here 01:38:26 erp 01:38:28 that's p funny 01:39:10 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:07 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:46:48 <|amethyst> yeah, see the "else if (!teleport...)" in handle_throw 01:47:04 !source handle_throw 01:47:05 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc;hb=HEAD#l1507 01:47:05 <|amethyst> fixing it there would cause archers never to talk maybe? 01:47:11 what 01:47:15 <|amethyst> or never to even approach you 01:47:36 man, I love how many places dlb put the comment "yes, there is a logic to this ordering". 01:47:44 <|amethyst> adjacent archers always shoot 01:48:00 is that a comment on his code or the people he worked with? 01:48:09 <|amethyst> non-adjacent ones don't *always* shoot, so have the opportunity to take other actions instead 01:48:38 <|amethyst> if we just made archers skip both of those checks it would keep them from poking at range 2, but would also keep them from doing lots of other things 01:48:58 <|amethyst> more correct might be to add something to the melee code 01:49:16 what on earth is the teleport boolean? 01:49:17 <|amethyst> it's kind of funny that M_DONT_MELEE only shows up in the *ranged* attack code 01:49:21 whether they're currently teleporting? 01:49:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: portal projectile 01:49:28 o 01:49:36 that's... not a good parameter name. 01:50:31 I'm intensely curious about the comments on lines 2196-2198 01:51:03 2253 is also very curious 01:51:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: until recently undead etc monsters who ended up under deep water actually survived 01:51:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but were perma-submerged 01:51:53 ah, I wondered if that was what it was referring to 01:51:56 or if it was something else 01:51:59 I was the one who removed that! 01:52:05 <|amethyst> ah 01:52:06 !source mon_special_ability 01:52:06 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-abil.cc;hb=HEAD#l1173 01:52:11 <|amethyst> couldn't remember if it was you or Grunt 01:52:26 * PleasingFungus grunts. 01:52:51 2303 desperately needs to be some kind of monster or spell flag 01:52:53 probably spell 01:52:58 CAN_USE_OFFSCREEN 01:53:55 <|amethyst> slot! 01:54:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2259-gedb9c00: Document a formula 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=edb9c0078d0b 01:54:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2260-gb92de7c: Move peeve/like application to their structs. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 93+ 84-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b92de7c00f27 01:54:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2261-g41bb36c: Answer a comment. 10(79 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41bb36c3666a 01:54:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2262-g5a62ea0: Simplify 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a62ea032f5a 01:54:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2263-g3ec7e53: Implement and use a map_find template function. 10(22 minutes ago, 17 files, 75+ 72-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ec7e53c43c5 01:54:28 er, spell slot flag, yes 01:54:28 that's what I meant 01:54:34 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 01:55:02 41bb36c <3 01:55:10 I figured that out some time after writing it, but forgot to replace it 01:56:01 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:01 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:56:13 oh, it's find, not count? 01:56:18 I was wondering - count did seem like an odd name 01:56:20 <|amethyst> well 01:56:27 <|amethyst> count returns whether it's there 01:56:31 <|amethyst> but 01:56:39 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:56:44 <|amethyst> if you then want to do something with it 01:56:52 <|amethyst> you have just searched your map twice 01:57:03 <|amethyst> whereas find returns the iterator to the element 01:57:04 rip 01:57:16 so this find is something like python's get()? 01:57:29 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:57:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: map_find is, yes 01:58:01 oh no you killed a XXX: what does this do? 01:58:11 don't worry, we've got no shortage :) 01:58:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: well, except both map::find and map_find don't return the element itself, but some kind of reference to it 01:59:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: (iterator, pointer) 01:59:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so you can assign through the result, unlike dict.get() 01:59:20 c++ 02:01:10 Heh, my Mf with 16 polearms found a vamp battleaxe, and if I'm reading this correctly, getting 20 axes would take polearms to 25+ with cross-training 02:01:36 you're in crawl-dev 02:02:12 Oops, sorry 02:02:23 it's ok 02:02:31 you're just not gonna get much advice here :) 02:02:36 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:36 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#460 (master - 943817a : Neil Moore): The build has errored. 02:02:36 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/b1db35518433...943817a3de95 02:02:36 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41070073 02:02:36 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:02:44 devs are terrible at this game, everyone knows that. 02:03:15 PleasingFungus: I wasn't really asking for advice anyway, just remarking on a fun consequence of the new cross-training mechanic (if I understood it correctly) :) 02:03:44 A corner case really (it's pretty unusual to have two skills that cross-train with one having -2 apt and the other having +4) 02:04:22 mf are very silly 02:04:25 <|amethyst> kryft: the old system was weird there too 02:04:42 |amethyst: Sure 02:04:50 I rather like the new system 02:05:06 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:06 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#461 (domino - bf64415 : Brendan Hickey): The build was fixed. 02:05:06 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/d31656bb52c4...bf6441553535 02:05:06 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41070440 02:05:06 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:07:35 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:36 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#465 (master - 2a7ae65 : theTower): The build passed. 02:07:36 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/39c7246e0d7a...2a7ae6531c3d 02:07:36 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41074036 02:07:36 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:07:45 travis are you freaking out 02:08:08 it passed!!! 02:08:14 I think it's trying to catch up 02:08:16 idk tho 02:08:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141108030205]] 02:09:46 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus btw, it might make sense to make a virtual base class for {,dis}like_response; then peeves and likes can all go into the same map 02:09:46 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:10:44 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus but you'd need to use pointers to get polymorphism so I guess it's probably more trouble than it's worth 02:10:44 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:14:58 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 02:18:58 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:11 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2263-g3ec7e53 (34) 02:23:01 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:23:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:29:32 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:36:13 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:37:47 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:38:07 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:07 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#466 (master - 3ec7e53 : Neil Moore): The build has errored. 02:38:07 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/2a7ae6531c3d...3ec7e53c43c5 02:38:07 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41076188 02:38:07 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:46:33 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:48:05 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .] 02:51:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:28 -!- nht has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:09 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:05 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:20:10 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25:56 -!- johlstei_ is now known as johlstei 03:32:43 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34:42 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:41:42 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:47 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:43:26 ApexPredator (L20 HaAs) (Lair:3) 03:43:37 ApexPredator (L20 HaAs) (Lair:3) 03:45:28 -!- crawlTV has left ##crawl-dev 03:45:57 -!- Apex has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:15 Searching for blade&&ego crashes my game. Mantis is down for me, but here is my save file: http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/saves/ApexPredator-crawl-git-3ec7e53c43-141115-0943.tar.bz2 03:47:42 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:57:49 ApexPredator (L20 HaAs) (Lair:3) 04:00:28 -!- kipster has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:02:51 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:10 Lasty_, Ru is really fun 04:26:23 maybe a bit strong but overall great experience good job :D 04:29:04 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:14 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:51:26 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:53 Hello, is it possible to define macros in lua script? here is what I want to do: On turn 0 of every game the ready() function resets my usual macro keys to the macro which lets me define a new macro for this key. Example: If I press 1 the game should ask me for a new macro for key 1 05:18:40 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20:53 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:21:23 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:29:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:46 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:49 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:51:29 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:04 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:00:09 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:31 yeah, CDO down... again 06:01:04 that makes it 6 dying disks already in 2014 06:10:42 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:18 Sounds like a death curse. Have you or any of your allies recently killed a mummy? 06:13:48 !crash ApexPredator 06:13:49 3. ApexPredator, XL20 HaAs, T:66709 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/ApexPredator/crash-ApexPredator-20141115-095741.txt 06:21:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:57 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:35:18 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:42:29 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:46:09 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 06:46:34 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:31 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:39 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 07:01:00 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:01 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:21 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:01:39 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:19 -!- Philonous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:23 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:27:20 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:47 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:36:37 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:02 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:22 -!- dpeg has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:42:34 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:03:47 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:02 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:04:15 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:04:17 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:04:29 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:04:42 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:06:17 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:57 <|amethyst> Hm 08:19:10 <|amethyst> Apex's crash seems to be my fault but I don't yet know why 08:28:23 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:32:17 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:34 -!- Apex_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:31 <|amethyst> ohhh 08:36:57 <|amethyst> doh 08:37:17 -!- Apex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:44:00 -!- Napkin has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:44:37 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:06 <|amethyst> there we go 08:45:52 * bh waits for the push 08:46:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:47:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2264-gff64977: Don't copy the map in map_find (doh) 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff64977adc9e 08:47:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2265-gabde7dc: Remove an extra leftover call to find(). 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=abde7dcbcf6f 08:47:52 <|amethyst> I'm sure there's some way there to make those two versions one template 08:48:28 <|amethyst> with a combination of is_const and add_const 08:51:27 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:13 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:20 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:20 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:23 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:56:36 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:48 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:03:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:04 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 09:10:32 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:14:34 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:14:43 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2266-gc8bc184: Deduplicate a template. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8bc184d7e4a 09:22:01 <|amethyst> ##c++ helped me out :) 09:24:16 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:26:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2267-ged810b6: Explicitly #include 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed810b68241e 09:28:25 -!- bullock has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:32:45 <|amethyst> oh, found an even better way to do it 09:33:22 |amethyst has reached level 6! Pick a stat to increase! 09:33:29 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:33:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2268-ge6247f0: Use type inference rather than std::conditional<> 10(12 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6247f0b745f 09:36:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:54 oh man, C++ is quite scary nowadays 09:37:03 <|amethyst> hehe 09:37:04 C++ has always been scary 09:37:06 what does '-> decltype' even mean 09:37:17 bh, it used to have less syntax, at least 09:37:26 <|amethyst> Zaba: auto...-> means I'm putting the return type after the parameters 09:37:36 <|amethyst> Zaba: (which I need because the type refers to one of the parameters) 09:37:48 <|amethyst> Zaba: decltype() means "the type of this expression" 09:37:51 ah 09:38:17 isn't there already some (non-standard?) keyword for that? typeof? 09:38:34 <|amethyst> yeah, typeof is a g++ extension to does something similar 09:38:43 okay 09:38:48 <|amethyst> s/does/do/ 09:39:36 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:10 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:41:08 are c++ templates just like functional programming with some syntax benefits? 09:41:11 someone tell me 09:41:20 I want the short answer 09:41:31 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yes, functional programming at compile-time 09:41:38 I see 09:41:54 I guess lisp did win in the end 09:41:57 <|amethyst> heh 09:42:00 syntax benefits? I'd say drawbacks 09:42:10 <|amethyst> yeah, the syntax is nasty 09:42:24 <|amethyst> I'd hate to use C++ templates as my primary programming language 09:42:25 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1/20141106120505]] 09:43:24 you can do some very stupid things with templates 09:43:36 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'd say ML won in the end... these are strongly typed 09:44:03 <|amethyst> hm 09:44:17 <|amethyst> or arguably, the templates are not typed, but they produce strongly typed things 09:44:44 -!- Isabel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:20 or fail with spectacular error messages 09:45:48 <|amethyst> error: could not convert ‘(it.std::_Rb_tree_const_iterator<_Tp>::operator==, std::basic_string > >((*(const _Self*)(&(& map)->std::map<_Key, _Tp, _Compare, _Alloc>::end, std::basic_string, std::less >, std::allocator, std::basic_string > > >()))) ? 0u : (& it.std::_Rb_tree_const_iterator<_Tp>::operator-> templatestruct f{enum{r=f::r>::r+f::r>::r};}f<0,0>::r 09:46:23 (in g++ that should generate something around 700m bytes of error messages) 09:47:58 bh, clang just says 'fatal error: recursive template instantiation exceeded maximum depth of 256' 09:48:13 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:48:31 <|amethyst> bad clang 09:48:34 well, rather 09:48:52 <|amethyst> how else are you supposed to compute the Ackermann function at compile time? :) 09:49:06 http://sprunge.us/VTRP is what it says 09:49:14 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:49:34 I suppose you can use -ftemplate-depth= to prevent it from giving up so early 09:49:42 and really, 256 sounds like a crazy high default to -me- 09:50:19 <|amethyst> yeah, 256 is probably good for people who are writing actual code 09:50:30 <|amethyst> rather than trying to get the compiler to do the work for their program 09:50:35 I think something like 32 would be sufficient for them 09:51:04 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:51:19 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:49 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:19 <|amethyst> silly people, wanting their type-checking to be decidable 09:52:33 <|amethyst> might as well just use Pascal 09:52:53 haha 09:53:36 |amethyst: soon I should have a C++ -> wang tile compiler ready to go, then we can compile crawl into itself 09:53:48 <|amethyst> I had someone tell me recently that Pascal was their favourite language 09:54:24 <|amethyst> granted, they're a teacher rather than practitioner, but still :/ 09:54:53 well, pascal is probably going to stick around in academia forever 09:54:53 * gammafunk wonders if |amethyst considers himself a teacher or a practitioner.... 09:55:02 <|amethyst> I'm both! 09:55:11 \o/ 09:55:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:55:39 |amethyst: do they give you grad students? 09:55:50 ...cause if we want extra labor for crawl 09:55:52 <|amethyst> depends on what you mean by "give me" 09:56:00 <|amethyst> I'm not a member of the graduate faculty 09:56:33 <|amethyst> but my boss is, and he often has me monitor his grad students and tell them what to do, so he doesn't have to 09:57:12 !source mon-cast.cc:7041 09:57:12 |amethyst: we have been trying to sequence the orc genome ;) 09:57:13 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l7041 09:57:13 <|amethyst> maybe if I'm teaching the C++ class again next semester 09:57:28 <|amethyst> or, better, the "intro to software engineering" class 09:57:45 I'm going to make the check here more detailed, basically something like "only cast spectral weapon when asterion is in melee range" 09:58:01 I'm not sure of the best check for that other than somethig crude like distance 09:58:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hm 09:58:48 <|amethyst> gammafunk: range <=2 might be better 09:59:05 hrm. since we're near the start of the release cycle, how about considering SquareLOS? 09:59:09 a radius over a distance? 09:59:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk: well, "better" for asterion, so he doesn't give you a free attack 09:59:25 yeah better for asterion for that yeason 09:59:58 *reason 10:00:17 oh, maybe I can look at the spectral weapon code itself 10:01:22 <|amethyst> !foe || distance2(mon->pos(), foe->pos()) > 8 10:02:11 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:12 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#468 (master - c8bc184 : Neil Moore): The build failed. 10:02:12 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/abde7dcbcf6f...c8bc184d7e4a 10:02:12 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41095483 10:02:12 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:02:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: something like return find_spectral_weapon(mon) || !foe || distance2(mon->pos(), foe->pos()) > 8; 10:02:30 <|amethyst> gammafunk: in _ms_waste_of_time 10:02:53 yeah, but obviously not with 8 as the cutoff? 10:03:05 <|amethyst> gammafunk: distance2 returns dx^2 + dx^2 10:03:12 ah, ok 10:03:15 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so 8 is over two, up two 10:03:19 we have a conversion for that, though 10:03:20 <|amethyst> over three would be 9 10:03:36 <|amethyst> oh, grid_distance 10:03:39 right 10:03:48 yeah that seems pretty simple and reasonable 10:04:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:05:21 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 10:13:09 -!- Apex_ is now known as Apex 10:15:37 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:17:38 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:22 -!- krag has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:21:18 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 10:29:27 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:36:00 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:55 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:40:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:03 -!- hannobal has quit [Client Quit] 10:51:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:09 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 10:53:10 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 10:58:48 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:48 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#470 (master - e6247f0 : Neil Moore): The build was broken. 10:58:48 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/ed810b68241e...e6247f0b745f 10:58:48 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41096586 10:58:48 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:59:07 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-2269-g52e2f7b: Have monsters only cast spectral weapon when close to their foe 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=52e2f7bd9145 11:00:08 wonder where these test segfaults are coming from now 11:03:30 -!- Big_guy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:04:24 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:04:47 doy, did you have an opinion about the brand ID thing? 11:04:47 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:05:21 PleasingFungus: haven't thought too much about it yet 11:05:54 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:54 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#466 (master - 3ec7e53 : Neil Moore): The build was broken. 11:05:54 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/2a7ae6531c3d...3ec7e53c43c5 11:05:54 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41076188 11:05:54 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:06:01 it feels more reasonable from a consistency standpoint, because player weapons "burst into flame" when wielded, but 11:06:55 i don't think "it'll make players pay more attention to brands in a bad way" is a big deal 11:07:14 ./crawl(_ZN13like_responseclE12conduct_typeibPK7monster+0xbc) [0x6debbc]: like_response::operator()(conduct_type, int, bool, monster const*) 11:07:19 PleasingFungus: these crashes look like your fualt 11:07:20 fault 11:07:21 !blame PleasingFungus 11:07:22 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 11:07:25 well. 11:07:28 I didn't write that function. 11:07:31 someone else did. 11:07:35 and their name starts with a pipe. 11:08:06 oh 11:08:12 that crash is known and fixed 11:08:17 travis is running through the backlog again 11:09:29 i was referring to things like https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/jobs/41096600 and https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/jobs/41095493 11:14:21 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-2270-gba5297f: fix compilation 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba5297f6f58d 11:14:23 !blame gammafunk 11:14:23 I pronounce gammafunk... Guilty! 11:14:33 doy, bringing us the future of crawl development 11:15:19 you should probably fix your clock 11:15:25 I guess 11:15:40 yeah, my laptop just doesn't keep time well when it's off, for some reason 11:15:59 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:00 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#471 (master - 52e2f7b : gammafunk): The build is still failing. 11:16:00 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/e6247f0b745f...52e2f7bd9145 11:16:00 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41101667 11:16:00 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:16:00 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:06 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:16:13 but ntp won't do a hard reset of the clock unless it's off by like 10 minutes or something 11:16:31 and so it just gradually adjusts the time, but when it's off by like four minutes, that takes a while 11:17:19 -!- jejorda2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:17:23 gammafunk: hmmm, do you think it'd be logical to extend that proximity check to other monster charms, like wiglaf's might or de knight shroud? 11:17:27 ntp doesn't hard reset, usually it gives up 11:17:30 wait, hold on a sec 11:17:31 crap 11:17:59 ? 11:18:03 hard reset is often done with ntpdate; ntp -G may do it at startup but still won't hard reset if time subsequently drifts 11:18:11 geekosaur: there's an option to make it do a hard reset 11:18:29 ntpd -s 11:18:37 only at startup though 11:18:45 right, only at startup 11:18:55 theTower: sorry, fixing a bug, not related to your question 11:20:39 doy: yeah thanks for the fix, I had local changes and didn't commit them, forgot my usual pre-push checks this time 11:21:33 also terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::string' 11:21:43 from 11:21:50 !source mapdef.cc:282 11:21:51 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mapdef.cc;hb=HEAD#l282 11:21:59 that throw message isn't working properly, it seems 11:22:43 the error message never shows up on stdout/stderr 11:23:29 maybe it need .c_str() to display properly? 11:23:56 ...nope 11:24:17 03Grunt02 07[sdl2] * 0.16-a0-2028-gdb69f5c: Fix up some Android debug messages. 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db69f5c881c5 11:24:17 03Grunt02 07[sdl2] * 0.16-a0-2029-ga8bd554: Map the back button on Android to ESC. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8bd5541e967 11:26:07 apparently using throw like that is just bad style 11:27:47 !throw gammafunk 11:27:50 fr 11:27:58 I already implemented that! 11:28:06 !crush gammafunk 11:28:07 PleasingFungus crushes gammafunk like a grape!!!!! 11:28:11 before it got ruined by refactoring... 11:28:22 !ruin gammafunk 11:28:27 seriously though 11:28:36 !nerf PleasingFungus 11:28:37 * Sequell nerfs PleasingFungus!!! 11:28:47 !function level_range::set 11:28:47 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mapdef.cc;hb=HEAD#l277 11:29:06 this seems to be a case where we should use die, but 11:32:34 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:33:22 -!- nht_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:05 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:34:39 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:35:23 -!- Amnesthesia is now known as Amnesthesia|Else 11:35:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:59 theTower: oh, re: your original question, I could see wiglaf's might, but does shroud not protect against ranged? 11:39:18 one solution there is just to have them spawn with the shroud up 11:39:25 I think fannar does that with ozo? 11:39:49 I have a question. 11:39:58 !source mutation.cc:2437 11:39:58 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;hb=HEAD#l2437 11:40:15 This seems to be subtracting out ru mutations... for demonspawn only? 11:40:23 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:32 %git b9f27a85 11:40:32 07Lasty02 * 0.15-a0-1557-gb9f27a8: Iashol: fix demonspawn/silver issue 10(5 months ago, 2 files, 12+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9f27a8583b8 11:40:41 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:49 confusing. 11:42:49 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:58 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:43:24 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:44:34 03Grunt02 07[sdl2] * 0.16-a0-2030-g57361f5: Android: only show keyboard when text input is needed. 10(2 minutes ago, 6 files, 24+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57361f544df4 11:44:49 (text input needed -> always?????) 11:46:05 bin doch hier, dpeg 11:46:15 schon wieder platten sterben 11:46:24 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:50 und RAID resync mit Apache & MySQL dauert einfach zu lange ;) 11:47:15 -!- heteroy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:38 in 13 minutes I will get another new disk.. supposedly with only 96 hours running yet 11:50:55 wiglaf's tile shows him wearing a hat, and his description also mentions the hat, but he can spawn without one 11:51:52 s/can/will 11:52:22 well I can't recall any time except the last time I saw him 11:52:37 maybe he should always be wearing a hat? 11:52:43 hint: 11:52:46 monsters generally cannot wear hats 11:53:04 but the description even talks about the hat 11:53:15 I want to wear Wiglaf's hat! 11:53:37 you cannot handle wiglaf's hat 11:53:43 it is too much hat for a mere mortal 11:53:45 maybe make it an unrand? 11:54:20 or have a chance to be, like with gastronok 11:55:59 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:59 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#472 (master - ba5297f : Jesse Luehrs): The build has errored. 11:55:59