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10:17:50 <PleasingFungus> testing now
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10:22:50 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1868-g61a326e: Simplify (|amethyst) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61a326e022a4
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10:28:06 <Cheibriados> Cursing with Ashenzari and Macabre Finger necklace 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9129 by Zooty
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10:39:44 <Wensley> why is chei dead :(
10:40:20 <Bloax> he fell asleep after a hard day of work
10:40:21 <Sequell> Bloax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
10:40:25 <Bloax> !messages
10:40:26 <Sequell> (1/1) wheals said (14h 26m 23s ago): perhaps you can make a less bad tile for obsidian statues? %git e8a12f6 and and %git 4d0b657 ; they're like silver statues but obsidian instead of silver
10:40:48 <Bloax> %git e8a12f6
10:40:49 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1848-ge8a12f6: Rename silver statues -> obsidian statues (theTower, PleasingFungus). 10(15 hours ago, 45 files, 89+ 90-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8a12f62053f
10:40:58 <Bloax> %git 4d0b657
10:40:58 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1849-g4d0b657: Add a very bad tile for obsidian statues. 10(14 hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d0b6572f173
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11:04:03 <Sizzell> shummie (L19 NaIE) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Bazaar)
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11:05:27 <Bloax> !tell wheals https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/obsidianstatue.png
11:05:28 <Sequell> Bloax: OK, I'll let wheals know.
11:05:38 <Bloax> 19 minutes
11:05:38 <Bloax> not bad
11:06:42 <johnny0> panda bat
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11:10:54 <geekosaur> http://lpaste.net/7442304611655876608 (Bad item: buggily book; 0.16-a0-1864-gf804c51)
11:12:16 <potatolizard> buggily bug bug!
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11:14:10 <Henzell> Dynast (L15 DrTm) ASSERT(num_heads) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 988 failed. (D:13)
11:14:25 <PleasingFungus> &versions
11:14:36 <Sequell> CAO: 0.16-a0-1823-g489f3f1, CBRO: 0.16-a0-1866-g6a05b1f, CDO: 0.16-a0-1714-g3438503, CKR: 0.16-a0-1838-g47c4c45, CLAN: 0.16-a0-1320-gb5a7ef2, CSZO: 0.16-a0-1866-g6a05b1f
11:14:39 <PleasingFungus> !lm shummie crash x=vlong
11:14:40 <Sequell> 6. [2014-11-04 17:02:17] [vlong=0.16-a0-1866-g6a05b1f] shummie the Devastator (L19 NaIE of Vehumet) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 47018. (Bazaar)
11:14:43 <PleasingFungus> %git
11:14:43 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1868-g61a326e: Simplify (|amethyst) 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61a326e022a4
11:14:50 <PleasingFungus> ihhh
11:14:54 <PleasingFungus> *ohh
11:14:56 <PleasingFungus> that *is* interesting
11:15:01 <PleasingFungus> that bug shouldn't be happening.
11:15:05 <PleasingFungus> !crashlog shummie
11:15:06 <Sequell> 6. shummie, XL19 NaIE, T:47018 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/shummie/crash-shummie-20141104-170217.txt
11:15:22 <PleasingFungus> geekosaur: I fixed that one
11:15:25 <PleasingFungus> %git :/ook
11:15:25 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1865-g101f5e0: Debuggify books (9127) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=101f5e0b939d
11:15:31 <PleasingFungus> one version after yours :)
11:15:37 <geekosaur> I tried to scan back but missed it apparently
11:15:41 <PleasingFungus> Bloax: nice :)
11:15:46 <geekosaur> hm, or chei was offline by then :/
11:15:56 <PleasingFungus> fix was shortly before chei came back online
11:16:30 <geekosaur> (also I did pull a new version but held off on it in case my save was needed)
11:16:49 <PleasingFungus> my fix isn't ideal; I suspect that the random weighting is compromised
11:16:53 <PleasingFungus> but........ eh.
11:17:16 <PleasingFungus> the potential problems with that are 100% cosmetic
11:17:25 <PleasingFungus> ....*very* curious about the shummie crash.
11:17:44 <PleasingFungus> OBJ_POTIONS, subtype 101
11:17:50 <PleasingFungus> !source itemprop-enum.h
11:17:51 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/itemprop-enum.h;hb=HEAD
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11:20:14 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1868-g61a326e (34)
11:20:44 <PleasingFungus> !source place_spec_shop
11:20:45 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc;hb=HEAD#l5566
11:21:25 <PleasingFungus> haha, shops used to sell gold
11:21:56 <Lightli> I'd buy 100 gold for 100 gold
11:22:45 <PleasingFungus> well, greed means that shops would probably sell it for less than 100 gold
11:22:47 <PleasingFungus> or more!
11:23:45 <Bloax> usually more
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11:26:00 <PleasingFungus> powerful zin tech....?
11:26:20 <PleasingFungus> fr: gozag shop that sells gold for 10 gp each
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11:41:39 <PleasingFungus> hm
11:41:45 <PleasingFungus> I wonder if it would make sense to give runes mass
11:42:39 <doy> do they not?
11:43:37 <PleasingFungus> hm
11:43:48 <PleasingFungus> I assumed they'd become massless when they stopped taking inventory slots
11:44:18 <PleasingFungus> yep, unit_mass = 0
11:44:19 <doy> (i don't actually know, it would just be weird for them not to)
11:44:29 <PleasingFungus> mainly this means that it's incredibly easy to apport them
11:44:30 <potatolizard> nessos gets weird centaur physiology related lines even if he's polymorphed
11:44:38 <potatolizard> that doesn't seem intentional
11:44:38 <PleasingFungus> potatolizard: yep!
11:44:45 <PleasingFungus> it is not but it is a tricky bug to fix iirc
11:45:07 <PleasingFungus> doy: itemprop.cc:2576
11:45:12 <doy> how much did they weigh before?
11:45:17 <PleasingFungus> reasonable question
11:45:28 <PleasingFungus> let me do some code archaeology
11:45:50 <PleasingFungus> (though tbh I think a new mass should be based purely on how hard we want it to be to apport runes; the old carrying-weight issue is obviously irrelevant now)
11:46:05 <doy> true
11:46:32 <doy> apportation is the only thing that uses it now, right?
11:46:34 <PleasingFungus> !learn add realism_of_crawl case OBJ_GOLD: unit_mass = 0;
11:46:34 <Sequell> realism of crawl[14/14]: case OBJ_GOLD: unit_mass = 0;
11:46:45 <doy> wasn't there something with gozag?
11:46:46 <potatolizard> gozag uses it too
11:46:50 <PleasingFungus> doy: I *think* that jellies might also use mass, but jellies can't eat runes
11:46:53 <PleasingFungus> er
11:46:55 <PleasingFungus> I think
11:46:56 <potatolizard> yeah the turn things into gold wrath
11:47:04 <potatolizard> and possibly a bunch of other stuff
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11:47:35 <doy> is there anything that uses weight other than apportation that doesn't also destroy the item?
11:47:36 <PleasingFungus> man, gozag.
11:47:40 <PleasingFungus> so many gods to fix...
11:48:50 <ackack> on the topic of gods
11:49:07 <ackack> i'm assuming the reason jiyva cycles mutations so often is to discourage people from farming them, since they aren't likely to keep an extensive good set anyway
11:49:15 <ackack> is there a better way to do this?
11:49:27 <potatolizard> !send ackack FLAVOUR
11:49:27 <Sequell> Sending FLAVOUR to ackack.
11:49:44 <PleasingFungus> how would that keep people from farming good mutations? you just leave the cycle & join zin when you get the set you want, surely.
11:50:01 <ackack> ??jiyva wrath
11:50:01 <Sequell> jiyva wrath[1/3]: ABANDONMENT: 30 penance, all slimes abandon you RETRIBUTION: 1/7 1-3 bad mutations, 3/7 slimify a hostile monster in view if possible, 2/7 glow with 50% chance of uncancelable bat, spider or statue form, 1/7 create 1 + xl / 10 + random2(3) J or G
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11:50:15 <PleasingFungus> ya but I mean -
11:50:18 <ackack> does zin block those muts?
11:50:21 <potatolizard> yes
11:50:26 <ackack> really? interesting
11:50:31 <PleasingFungus> I don't see the relation of the fast cycle to mut farming
11:50:33 <potatolizard> zin blocks everything
11:50:35 <PleasingFungus> with or without jiyva, really
11:50:56 <ackack> hmm
11:50:57 <PleasingFungus> let's say jiyva cycles muts ten times as slowly as he does now. how do you abuse this?
11:51:30 <ackack> i'd say you don't, really, i'm just trying to reason out why jiyva would cycle this fast
11:51:42 <ackack> i don't see much fun or interesting about it, and it seems kinda overlappy with xom
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11:52:59 <PleasingFungus> I have no strong opinion.
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11:53:47 <doy> i don't think it's as much about preventing farming as it is about forcing you to adapt to new situations
11:53:51 <doy> on a regular basis
11:54:10 <ackack> there doesn't seem to be that much adapting though
11:54:11 <potatolizard> I don't think it's about adapting as much as it's about never relying on your muts
11:54:28 <potatolizard> if you get rf+ that's great but keep carrying that rf+ ring
11:54:29 <ackack> right, you basically play as if they didn't exist, because you can't plan on that being the case
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11:59:59 <Lightli> ??realism_of_crawl
11:59:59 <Sequell> realism of crawl[1/14]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them
12:00:13 <Lightli> ??realism_of_crawl [2]
12:00:13 <Sequell> realism of crawl[2/14]: Fruit that lasts forever.
12:01:06 <PleasingFungus> still looking for the rune thing
12:01:13 <PleasingFungus> %git 260666bd9616a3
12:01:14 <Cheibriados> 07bh02 * 0.14-a0-743-g260666b: Add the Hydrataur, guardian the abyssal stair 10(12 months ago, 1 file, 22+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=260666bd9616
12:01:18 <Bloax> (while cut off meat rots very fast)
12:01:20 <PleasingFungus> this is not it :)
12:01:31 <PleasingFungus> Bloax: so does meat that's not cut off!
12:01:52 <Bloax> well we don't count destruction like that
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12:03:08 <PleasingFungus> maybe you don't
12:04:08 <PleasingFungus> doy: found it
12:04:09 <PleasingFungus> %git 15706b8936c1e
12:04:11 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-2433-g15706b8: Don't claim picking up a rune would burden you. 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=15706b8936c1
12:04:19 <PleasingFungus> not really a lot of thought put into the old weight, I think :)
12:04:31 <doy> (:
12:04:49 <PleasingFungus> my intuition is to put the mass somewhere around orb weight (but without the orb special-case failure chance), but I don't feel strongly
12:05:08 <PleasingFungus> (orb weight could also be adjusted, now that it doesn't burden you)
12:05:29 <PleasingFungus> (and then the special case could be removed... well, not the screaming part)
12:05:32 <PleasingFungus> (:
12:06:11 <doy> that sounds pretty reasonable to me
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12:07:03 <PleasingFungus> to clarify my design goal here: ninjaing a rune is fun, but it shouldn't be something you do with a level 1 spell and near-zero investment
12:07:24 <doy> right
12:07:32 <PleasingFungus> well, I guess the level 1 spell part isn't changing
12:07:51 <PleasingFungus> !source cast_apportation
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12:07:53 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-transloc.cc;hb=HEAD#l789
12:08:09 <wheals> btw apportation doesn't look at mass
12:08:10 <Sequell> wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
12:08:13 <PleasingFungus> man that comment is weird
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12:08:18 <PleasingFungus> wheals: oh!
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12:08:21 <wheals> !messages
12:08:22 <wheals> !messages
12:08:22 <Sequell> (1/2) bhaak said (9h 37m 32s ago): no, didn't see it.  finally! I'm out of that roguelike ghetto!
12:08:22 <Sequell> (1/1) Bloax said (1h 2m 54s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/obsidianstatue.png
12:08:28 <PleasingFungus> wheals: the comments still claim it does
12:08:32 <PleasingFungus> wheals: also, nice bug :)
12:08:44 <wheals> ew, a bug?
12:09:03 <doy> "// And don't allow apporting from shop inventories."
12:09:04 <doy> (:
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12:09:13 <PleasingFungus> did you see 9126?
12:09:18 <PleasingFungus> doy: very nethack!
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12:10:10 <wheals> oh i see the commit npow
12:10:23 <wheals> it was not eoc's fault btw, it was due to my cleaning up of his code
12:11:08 <PleasingFungus> hm. yeah, okay, it doesn't use mass, just scales purely off power. maybe it should scale harder on power, then?
12:11:13 <PleasingFungus> idk.
12:11:22 <PleasingFungus> ...what *does* use item mass at present?
12:11:34 <wheals> wow you can apport a net off of a monster
12:11:35 <wheals> that is so dumb
12:11:47 <wheals> shafts, i think
12:11:51 <wheals> air currents would fix this
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12:12:05 <doy> throwing
12:12:22 <PleasingFungus> awkwardly throwing, or all throwing?
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12:13:36 <doy> it affects the range of awkward throwing, and the noise of all throwing, i think
12:14:21 <PleasingFungus> i m h o
12:14:26 <doy> it affects the hp gained by jellies when they eat items
12:14:29 <PleasingFungus> neither of those are things which are important to retain
12:14:35 <PleasingFungus> ...ha, I thought it might!
12:14:37 <PleasingFungus> I was looking for that
12:14:40 <PleasingFungus> but couldn't find it
12:15:14 <doy> it affects the number of mushrooms you get from a corpse from fedhas
12:15:33 <PleasingFungus> haha
12:15:33 <doy> ...huh
12:15:47 <doy> it also affects the rate of armour/dodging/stealth skill training?
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12:15:59 <doy> that seems... really odd
12:16:28 <doy> !source _check_train_armour
12:16:29 <wheals> PleasingFungus: so now book_primary_string takes rnd % NDSC_BOOK_PRI, but it has to % its argument by 7
12:16:30 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/exercise.cc;hb=HEAD#l251
12:16:33 <wheals> that seems really weird
12:16:42 <PleasingFungus> wheals: it is, in fact, very weird
12:16:54 <PleasingFungus> it was a quick fix
12:17:02 <PleasingFungus> idk what the right answer is
12:17:05 <doy> seems like evp or something along those lines would be a lot more reasonable to use than weight
12:17:30 <wheals> PleasingFungus: as a tiles player, do you think Bloax's obsidian statue tile is good enough to go in
12:17:33 <doy> i think that's everything though
12:17:39 <PleasingFungus> wheals: works for me
12:18:01 <Bloax> well i'm a tiles player but apparently my vision is overpowered/10
12:18:28 <PleasingFungus> it might be nice to see it in, say, depths
12:18:33 <PleasingFungus> like, against a depths background
12:18:49 <PleasingFungus> if that makes sense
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12:20:20 <PleasingFungus> so, mushroom spawning could be based on monster chunk count
12:20:24 <PleasingFungus> automatic skill training can be based on evp
12:20:25 <wheals> isn't that based on mass
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12:20:32 <wheals> the chunk count i maen
12:20:35 <wheals> mean
12:20:36 <PleasingFungus> wheals: it's based on monster mass, not item mass
12:20:45 <wheals> nice
12:20:48 <PleasingFungus> :)
12:20:51 <wheals> well, i guess item mass is based on monster mass
12:20:54 <wheals> i _hope_
12:20:57 <doy> haha
12:21:00 <PleasingFungus> gonna go with 'probably'
12:21:04 <PleasingFungus> !source fill_out_corpse
12:21:05 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-death.cc;hb=HEAD#l74
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12:21:46 <wheals> corpse.butcher_amount = 0;    // butcher work done
12:21:47 <PleasingFungus> update: yes
12:21:55 <wheals> the comment is so sad now that plus2 got unionised
12:22:12 <PleasingFungus> also, turns out skeletons weigh 1/10th as much as a corpse
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12:22:23 <PleasingFungus> skeleton objects
12:22:39 <doy> is that realistic?
12:22:44 <wheals> that sounds on the high side IMO
12:22:55 <doy> i actually have no idea
12:23:02 <wheals> don't skeleton monsters only weight 1/3rd of the living thing
12:23:04 <wheals> or something
12:23:11 <wheals> s/weight/weigh
12:24:01 <PleasingFungus> 1/2
12:24:03 <PleasingFungus> just looked it up
12:24:07 <wheals> yeah
12:24:47 <PleasingFungus> also, ghouls & necrophages get hp based on the mass of monsters they eat
12:24:53 <PleasingFungus> but not the mass of the corpse, the mass of the monster it came from
12:25:00 <PleasingFungus> precedent :)
12:25:26 <Cheibriados> Got a badly buggy wand message 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9130 by eliotn
12:25:41 <PleasingFungus> erp
12:25:45 <PleasingFungus> that's gotta be mine
12:26:31 <PleasingFungus> %git
12:26:31 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1868-g61a326e: Simplify (|amethyst) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61a326e022a4
12:26:37 <PleasingFungus> and yep, it's up to date
12:26:47 <wheals> monster::body_weight looks rather suspcious
12:27:07 <PleasingFungus> ?
12:27:16 <doy> according to yahoo answers, a human skeleton is approximately 14% of the weight of a human corpse
12:27:25 <doy> so i guess we're not off by all that much
12:27:41 <wheals> well, the comment is weird in that many of the monsters with 0 weight in mon-data have no blood
12:27:56 <PleasingFungus> !source body_weight
12:27:57 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l346
12:28:12 <PleasingFungus> man I don't even know.
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12:28:13 <wheals> are there even any monsters with blood but not corpses
12:28:28 <PleasingFungus> vampires.......?
12:28:36 <PleasingFungus> can you suck blood from a vampire?
12:28:38 <PleasingFungus> that's deep, man.
12:28:48 <PleasingFungus> doy: if I tell you the fix for 9130, can you put it in?
12:29:09 <wheals> apparently they even have warm blood
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12:31:59 <PleasingFungus> doy: in itemname.cc, there are a number of foo_primary_string() and foo_secondary_string() functions. (e.g. wand_primary_string). they all switch on their inputs directly - the quick fix is to switch on the input modulo the number of options in the switch statement. (as book_*_string currently does.) this applies to staves, amulets, rings, and wands.
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12:34:17 <PleasingFungus> actually that goes to anyone who's currently online with commit access
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12:36:27 <doy> PleasingFungus: yeah, sure
12:37:24 <PleasingFungus> :)
12:37:40 <PleasingFungus> thinking about a better solution for splitting the seed in two
12:38:24 <Sizzell> necroviper (L6 GhMo) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (D:4)
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12:42:30 <edlothiol> PleasingFungus: could use hash_rand, if I understand the problem correctly
12:43:32 <PleasingFungus> !source hash_rand
12:43:33 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/hash.cc;hb=HEAD#l58
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12:44:36 <PleasingFungus> maybe? not sure what values we'd feed in.
12:44:47 <edlothiol> PleasingFungus: hash_rand(a, seed, 0) and hash_rand(b, seed, 1) would give you two "independent" "random" numbers up to a resp. b based on seed
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12:45:08 <|amethyst> this "seed" is, what, 32 bits?
12:45:09 <PleasingFungus> ah
12:45:14 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: notionally
12:45:25 <wheals> edlothiol making a hash of things again...
12:45:26 <PleasingFungus> !source ng-init.cc
12:45:27 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ng-init.cc;hb=HEAD
12:45:50 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1869-g6e01cad: temporarily fix buggy item descriptions (PleasingFungus) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e01cad6069b
12:45:50 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1870-gac29865: Add Bloax's obsidian statue tile. 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac29865fd209
12:45:50 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412: Hide a hack better. 10(8 minutes ago, 5 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44f74124609b
12:45:53 <PleasingFungus> !source initialise_item_descriptions
12:45:53 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ng-init.cc;hb=HEAD#l421
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12:46:09 <PleasingFungus> in practice they're all somewhere <= 255
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12:47:00 <edlothiol> PleasingFungus: though it could result in double descriptions, so it's probably not what we want...
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12:47:17 <PleasingFungus> I think we already cover that
12:47:29 <PleasingFungus> we have a really dumb while (true) loop at ng-init
12:47:39 <PleasingFungus> oh, wait, no, that's for the seed
12:47:41 <PleasingFungus> not the actual descriptions
12:47:43 <PleasingFungus> hm.
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12:48:04 <PleasingFungus> could make that loop check the resulting hashes rather than the seeds themselves
12:48:41 <PleasingFungus> &versions
12:48:52 <Sequell> CAO: 0.16-a0-1868-g61a326e, CBRO: 0.16-a0-1866-g6a05b1f, CDO: 0.16-a0-1714-g3438503, CKR: 0.16-a0-1838-g47c4c45, CLAN: 0.16-a0-1320-gb5a7ef2, CSZO: 0.16-a0-1866-g6a05b1f
12:49:21 <edlothiol> / this is very weird and probably a linleyism. [...] // yes, really.
12:49:45 <PleasingFungus> edlothiol: I stand by those comments
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12:50:18 <PleasingFungus> ...also, seed_3 should probably be an actual literal, rather than the current value of OBJ_SCROLLS
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12:50:27 <edlothiol> PleasingFungus: good comments ;)
12:50:39 <PleasingFungus> I try to write the comments I'd like to see.
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12:51:28 <Sizzell> Raiv (L7 MiBe)  (D:5)
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12:51:34 <wheals> !crashlog Raiv
12:51:35 <Sequell> 1. Raiv, XL7 MiBe, T:5029 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Raiv/crash-Raiv-20141104-185123.txt
12:52:26 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412 (34)
12:52:32 <wheals> segfault in webtiles?
12:52:58 <doy> hmmm, why aren't gitorious webhooks working
12:53:26 <|amethyst> wheals:  that's not a segfault but a sigterm.  probably someone chose the "yes, terminate my game" option?
12:53:38 <|amethyst> wheals:  or it timed out
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12:53:47 <wheals> ok
12:53:47 <doy> i thought those used SIGHUP
12:53:54 <wheals> maybe that should not be announced here?
12:53:59 <|amethyst> disconnecting is a HUP
12:54:06 <|amethyst> hm
12:54:08 <wheals> i guess it would be hard to filter it out
12:54:25 <wheals> maybe the noun for the crash milestone should have signal type?
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12:55:26 <|amethyst> yeah, that would be handy
12:55:55 <|amethyst> at least, if the noun would otherwise be just '?'
12:56:10 <|amethyst> don't necessarily need to include "Aborted" for all the asserts
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12:57:35 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412 (34)
12:57:49 <PleasingFungus> man, I really need to start doing more features instead of refactoring
12:57:54 <PleasingFungus> then at least I'd have something neat to show for all the bugs
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13:04:27 <WhatIsLove> Hello, I've got  "Another game is already in progress using this save!    Hit any key to exit..."    after my connection got interrupted, is there any way I can continue to play my char? It shows as idling for 24 min
13:05:10 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412 (34)
13:08:39 <PleasingFungus> !lm WhatIsLove
13:08:40 <Sequell> 4281. [2014-11-04 18:46:53] WhatIsLove the Ducker (L2 DsGl of Dithmenos) became a worshipper of Dithmenos on turn 874. (D:2)
13:08:44 <PleasingFungus> !lm WhatIsLove  x=src
13:08:45 <Sequell> 4281. [2014-11-04 18:46:53] [src=cszo] WhatIsLove the Ducker (L2 DsGl of Dithmenos) became a worshipper of Dithmenos on turn 874. (D:2)
13:08:54 <PleasingFungus> !seen |amethyst
13:08:55 <Sequell> I last saw |amethyst at Tue Nov  4 18:56:10 2014 UTC (12m 45s ago) saying 'don't necessarily need to include "Aborted" for all the asserts' on ##crawl-dev.
13:10:03 <WhatIsLove> Actually it is my octopode on orc:3   seems like a cool char
13:12:10 <PleasingFungus> !locateall WhatIsLove
13:12:12 <Sequell> WhatIsLove: CLAN 0.14, L1 HOFi of No God | CSZO 0.16-a, L12 OpEE of Dithmenos
13:12:20 <Sizzell> shugdite (L27 MiFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
13:12:21 <PleasingFungus> eh. my ping stands
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13:16:30 <|amethyst> WhatIsLove:  there go go
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13:16:44 <|amethyst> WhatIsLove:  your game crashed and the debugger was still running
13:17:04 <Sizzell> shugdite (L27 MiFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:2)
13:17:34 <WhatIsLove> Alright, I'm back in action! thanx
13:18:39 <Sizzell> shugdite (L27 MiFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:2)
13:18:49 <Sizzell> zarzak (L27 GrCj) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
13:19:15 <PleasingFungus> oh, geez, lotta crashes going off.
13:19:20 <PleasingFungus> asdfasdf.
13:19:24 <|amethyst> %git
13:19:24 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412: Hide a hack better. 10(42 minutes ago, 5 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44f74124609b
13:19:27 <|amethyst> %version
13:19:28 <Sizzell> trunk: 0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412;  0.15: 0.15.2;  0.14: 0.14.2;  0.13: 0.13.2;  0.12: 0.12.3;  0.11: 0.11.3;  0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415
13:19:43 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlong
13:19:44 <Sequell> 9743. [2014-11-04 19:18:47] [vlong=0.16-a0-1866-g6a05b1f] zarzak the Annihilator (L27 GrCj of Cheibriados) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 178001. (Abyss:1)
13:19:44 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlong -2
13:19:45 <Sequell> 9742/9743. [2014-11-04 19:18:36] [vlong=0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412] shugdite the Swordmaster (L27 MiFi of Okawaru) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 95437. (Abyss:2)
13:19:46 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlong -3
13:19:47 <Sequell> 9741/9743. [2014-11-04 19:16:59] [vlong=0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412] shugdite the Swordmaster (L27 MiFi of Okawaru) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 95323. (Abyss:2)
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13:19:58 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlong -4
13:19:58 <Sequell> 9740/9743. [2014-11-04 19:12:17] [vlong=0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412] shugdite the Swordmaster (L27 MiFi of Okawaru) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 94909. (Abyss:1)
13:19:59 <PleasingFungus> !crashlog zarzak
13:20:00 <Sequell> 1. zarzak, XL27 GrCj, T:178001 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/zarzak/crash-zarzak-20141104-191847.txt
13:20:02 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlong -5
13:20:03 <Sequell> 9739/9743. [2014-11-04 18:51:23] [vlong=0.15.2] Raiv the Fighter (L7 MiBe of Trog)  (D:5)
13:20:06 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlong -6
13:20:07 <Sequell> 9738/9743. [2014-11-04 18:38:20] [vlong=0.16-a0-1866-g6a05b1f] necroviper the Ruffian (L6 GhMo) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 3697. (D:4)
13:20:18 <|amethyst> !crashlog shugdite
13:20:18 <Sequell> 4. shugdite, XL27 MiFi, T:95437 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/shugdite/crash-shugdite-20141104-191836.txt
13:20:38 <PleasingFungus> coullld disable the assert for now
13:20:47 <PleasingFungus> since it won't actually Break anything to have rnd=0
13:20:58 <PleasingFungus> maybe have it show up in dbg-scan instead
13:21:05 <PleasingFungus> er, not the assert, the bit in item::is_valid
13:21:09 <PleasingFungus> !source item::is_valid
13:21:11 <Sequell> Couldn't find item::is_valid in the Crawl source tree
13:21:16 <PleasingFungus> !source is_valid
13:21:17 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/traps.cc;hb=HEAD#l1762
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13:21:36 <PleasingFungus> !source ::is_valid
13:21:37 <johnstein> %git
13:21:37 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412: Hide a hack better. 10(44 minutes ago, 5 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44f74124609b
13:21:37 <Sequell> Couldn't understand ::is_valid
13:21:47 <wheals> item_def
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13:22:21 <PleasingFungus> !source items.cc:3897
13:22:22 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/items.cc;hb=HEAD#l3897
13:22:22 <Sizzell> shugdite (L27 MiFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:2)
13:22:36 <PleasingFungus> specifically the bit on lines 3929-3933 could be moved to dbg-scan
13:23:05 <Sizzell> shugdite (L27 MiFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:2)
13:23:08 <PleasingFungus> if we want to have buggy item reports instead of crashes
13:23:17 <Sizzell> zarzak (L27 GrCj) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
13:23:24 <PleasingFungus> man that's a lot of crashes
13:23:44 <Sizzell> zarzak (L27 GrCj) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
13:24:01 <|amethyst> hm
13:24:10 <|amethyst> items() is calling item_colour before that assert
13:24:18 <|amethyst> so why isn't rnd set?
13:24:21 <Sizzell> zarzak (L27 GrCj) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
13:24:29 <PleasingFungus> oh. it's possible that it's not an rnd issue
13:24:35 <PleasingFungus> but rather some other reason the item is invalid
13:24:51 <Sizzell> zarzak (L27 GrCj) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
13:24:54 <PleasingFungus> unfortunately, we leave the context of is_valid before triggering the assert
13:24:59 <PleasingFungus> so we don't know which condition it's triggering
13:25:14 <PleasingFungus> possibly those dprfs should be warning mprfs? probably not
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13:28:02 <Sizzell> zarzak (L27 GrCj) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
13:28:58 <|amethyst> someone mentioned a potion type 101?
13:29:01 <|amethyst> that's OBJ_RANDOM
13:29:05 <PleasingFungus> oh, that was a bazaar crash
13:29:21 <PleasingFungus> !lm * bazaar crash
13:29:22 <Sequell> 18. [2014-11-04 17:02:17] shummie the Devastator (L19 NaIE of Vehumet) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 47018. (Bazaar)
13:29:25 <PleasingFungus> this one
13:29:39 <PleasingFungus> but I think obj_random might have been in a higher context and thus not the problem
13:29:46 <PleasingFungus> !crashlog shummie bazaar
13:29:47 <Sequell> 1. shummie, XL19 NaIE, T:47018 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/shummie/crash-shummie-20141104-170217.txt
13:30:00 <Grunt> oh I am missing more parties
13:30:05 <Sizzell> zarzak (L27 GrCj) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
13:30:09 <Grunt> dang being at work......
13:30:11 <PleasingFungus> yeah, place_spec_shop
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13:37:22 <|amethyst> oh hm
13:37:27 <|amethyst> switch (item.base_type)
13:37:28 <|amethyst> {
13:37:28 <|amethyst> case OBJ_WEAPONS:
13:37:28 <|amethyst> _generate_weapon_item(item, allow_uniques, force_type,
13:37:28 <|amethyst> item_level);
13:37:30 <|amethyst> break;
13:37:34 <|amethyst> force_type might still be OBJ_RANDOM
13:37:45 <|amethyst> oh, that's okay
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13:42:05 <wheals> !lg * vmsg~~sticky_fire
13:42:06 <Sequell> No games for * (vmsg~~sticky_fire).
13:42:11 <wheals> weird
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13:46:30 <PleasingFungus> !lg * ikiller=smoke_demon current trunk s=vmsg
13:46:30 <Sequell> 82 games for * (ikiller=smoke_demon current trunk): 51x blasted by a smoke demon (divine providence), 12x blasted by a smoke demon (ball of steam), 12x incinerated by a smoke demon (sticky flame), 6x slain by a smoke demon, blasted by a smoke demon (sticky flame)
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13:53:47 <PleasingFungus> okay, here's a question I didn't ask, but should have; do potions use the 'special' field for anything?
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14:01:55 <doy> alright, i now have gitorious automatically mirroring to github
14:02:03 <doy> now to get travis working again
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14:07:26 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1872-g0172f80: don't fail if there are no files 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0172f80b2bb0
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14:17:42 <Cheibriados> buggy amulet 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9131 by all before
14:19:46 <ackack> i'm assuming this is tied in with some of the other goofiness but
14:19:48 <ackack> Your tendrils lash around the rakshasa's !bad item (cl:100,ty:0,pl:0,pl2:0,sp:0,qu:0) and pull it to the ground!
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14:26:06 <Sizzell> MrDespairSA (L4 GrEE) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (D:3)
14:26:20 <Sizzell> tapatio (L21 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Depths:2)
14:29:28 <Sizzell> tapatio (L21 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Depths:2)
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14:34:42 <Sizzell> tapatio (L21 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Depths:3)
14:35:38 <Sizzell> tapatio (L21 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Depths:3)
14:35:54 <Sizzell> tapatio (L21 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Depths:3)
14:36:02 <PleasingFungus> hm
14:36:31 <PleasingFungus> !crashlog tapatio
14:36:32 <Sequell> 5. tapatio, XL21 DgNe, T:66340 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/tapatio/crash-tapatio-20141104-203544.txt
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14:37:10 <PleasingFungus> !source item_def::is_valid
14:37:11 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/items.cc;hb=HEAD#l3897
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14:38:31 <PleasingFungus> yeah, I have no idea, and i can't do anything until I get home in ~6 hours.
14:38:32 <PleasingFungus> frustrating.
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14:44:36 <geekosaur> need the dprf, or move the assertions into is_valid
14:45:31 <PleasingFungus> well, dprf is useful for debugging, but it's not gonna do anything outside wizmode.
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14:45:55 <PleasingFungus> and I'm not sure that it makes sense to move the assertions into is_valid, since there are apparently places that we check for validity and just discard invalid results without crashing.
14:46:00 <geekosaur> point is, we have no state for what is_valid did, and the dprf it did wasn't logged
14:46:06 <PleasingFungus> ya :(
14:46:22 <PleasingFungus> we don't have item state, either, just a pointer into a global array
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14:51:22 <theTower> let's see, silence immune revenants, shove rare revenants into the tar set, rare ancient champions and shrikes into the dis set,
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14:51:59 <theTower> I guess the other two have salamanders and wellsprings already, and there's wargoyles / iron trolls in dis
14:52:26 <Sizzell> shugdite (L27 MiFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
14:56:00 <johnstein> !crash shugdite
14:56:01 <Sequell> 7. shugdite, XL27 MiFi, T:95804 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/shugdite/crash-shugdite-20141104-205222.txt
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14:58:41 <theTower> if only I had slime ideas
14:59:04 <wheals> slimetaurs
14:59:17 <theTower> but how do they use projectiles
15:00:56 <Sizzell> shugdite (L27 MiFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed. (Abyss:1)
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15:06:28 <dpeg> more shrike alarm on SA
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15:09:29 <theTower> !lg * cv=0.16-a end>20141031 br=Depths s=ikiller
15:09:29 <Sequell> 34 games for * (cv=0.16-a end>20141031 br=Depths): 3x a fire giant, 3x a deep troll, 3x a frost giant, 2x a caustic bee, 2x a necromancer, an ice dragon, an ancient lich, a yaktaur, a caustic shrike, a cyan very ugly thing, a titan, a minotaur, an ettin, a hill giant, a starcursed mass, a shadow dragon, Jory, a stone giant, a fire dragon, a hell knight, a centaur warrior, Margery, a spriggan berse...
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15:09:29 <theTower> 4/34, so many terrifying splats.
15:09:36 <wheals> !lg * depths ikiller=starcursed_mass
15:09:37 <Sequell> 2. smk137 the Intangible (L21 SpBe of Trog), blasted by a starcursed mass (accursed screaming) on Depths:1 on 2014-10-31 12:33:17, with 349337 points after 61483 turns and 2:24:41.
15:09:52 <wheals> !lg * ikiller~~shrike
15:09:54 <Sequell> 2. LogicNinja the Ruinous (L22 DEFE of Vehumet), splashed by a caustic shrike's acid on Depths:2 (hangedman_arch_fort) on 2014-11-04 20:26:24, with 438588 points after 67365 turns and 3:45:02.
15:10:01 <wheals> ruin'd
15:11:38 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1873-gce4553e: don't skip_join, it requires annoying configuration 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce4553ee8b7b
15:11:38 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1874-g60556f9: Make an assertion more verbose. 10(85 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60556f9792dc
15:12:00 <|amethyst> rebuilding CSZO so we might get better crashes
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15:13:58 <wheals> %git :/wand
15:13:59 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1728-gdb2a1f9: Unionize 10(7 days ago, 31 files, 308+ 292-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db2a1f968058
15:14:04 <wheals> %git :/buggy
15:14:04 <Cheibriados> 07doy02 * 0.16-a0-1869-g6e01cad: temporarily fix buggy item descriptions (PleasingFungus) 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e01cad6069b
15:14:24 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: thank you!!!
15:14:27 <wheals> i'm getting a buggily buggy wand after that
15:14:27 <PleasingFungus> I was going slowly insane
15:14:28 <wheals> i think
15:14:47 <PleasingFungus> that's odd
15:15:16 <wheals> %git e38b4da
15:15:16 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit e38b4da (git returned 128)
15:15:20 <wheals> oh right
15:15:34 <|amethyst> oh
15:15:43 <|amethyst> if it's giving negative numbers after that change
15:15:45 <wheals> eh, this seems to work ok
15:16:13 <|amethyst> err, rather, if p is negative that could still give "buggy" after the change
15:16:46 <Cheibriados> Glyphless player ghosts 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9132 by scorpionwarrior
15:16:46 <wheals> Bad item:
15:16:46 <wheals> buggily buggy wand
15:16:46 <wheals> item #15:  base: 3; sub: 11; plus: 16; plus2: 0; special: -79
15:16:46 <wheals> quant: 1; ident: 0x00000000; ident_type: 0
15:16:52 <wheals> i guess that special is it
15:17:08 <wheals> !blame gammafunk
15:17:09 <Sequell> I pronounce gammafunk... Guilty!
15:18:00 <PleasingFungus> right
15:18:06 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1874-g60556f9 (34)
15:18:06 <PleasingFungus> the parameter to those functions should be unsigned
15:18:14 <PleasingFungus> good catch, |amethyst
15:18:52 <|amethyst> err
15:19:07 <|amethyst> I'm not sure that converting back and from from unsigned to signed and back is that great
15:19:14 <|amethyst> item.subtype_rnd = you.item_description[IDESC_WANDS][item.sub_type];
15:19:24 <|amethyst> that's where we're converting the unsigned to a signed
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15:20:21 <|amethyst> not clear to me why that would give a negative number though
15:20:59 <|amethyst> since for wands the item_description should be random2(NDSC_WAND_PRI * NDSC_WAND_SEC) = random2(192)
15:21:05 <wheals> these ' ' ghosts are so spooky
15:21:14 <|amethyst> ohh
15:21:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  think I found it
15:21:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  in the unmarshall code
15:21:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:              if (th.getMinorVersion() < TAG_MINOR_CONSUM_APPEARANCE)
15:21:32 <|amethyst> you.item_description[i][j] = unmarshallByte(th);
15:21:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  should probably be unmarshallUByte
15:21:40 <PleasingFungus> ah, ok
15:21:43 <|amethyst> but
15:21:45 <PleasingFungus> that was what it was unmarshalling before, I think
15:21:51 <|amethyst> this means people will have buggy saves
15:21:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  yes, but before it was unmarshalling into a uint8_t
15:22:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  now it's a uint32_t
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15:22:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  and in C++ the shorter parameter gets sign-extended first then converted to unsigned
15:23:03 <PleasingFungus> seems like easy to fix - assume that no item descriptions seeds should be negative, and flip? those that are... likewise the special values for the corresponding items, since otherwise you'll get a weird mismatch
15:23:08 <PleasingFungus> that was wrt buggy saves
15:23:27 <PleasingFungus> yeah, I don't have a strong intuition wrt sign extension and mixed data sizes
15:24:22 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  hm...yeah, even the scroll mess shouldn't give something that's at risk of being negative
15:24:31 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  and everything else should fit in one byte still?
15:24:35 <PleasingFungus> should, yes
15:24:49 <wheals> ok, fixed it
15:24:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  are you at a computer or should I do this?
15:24:56 <PleasingFungus> I am not at a git
15:24:59 <PleasingFungus> sadly :(
15:25:07 <PleasingFungus> !tell wheals " elmdor: hey PF, my buddy zarzak got an item called a "+0 old great sword "
15:25:08 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know.
15:25:18 <wheals> sounds great!
15:25:19 <Sequell> wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
15:25:29 <theTower> fr harmless flavour adjectives everywhere
15:25:34 <wheals> harmless
15:25:40 <theTower> blood-stained blade trap
15:26:24 <doy> travis is so slow during the day
15:26:26 <doy> makes testing hard
15:27:09 <ebering> harmless blade trap
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15:28:17 <|amethyst> !lm * crash cszo
15:28:19 <Sequell> 2278. [2014-11-04 21:00:51] shugdite the Swordmaster (L27 MiFi of Okawaru) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 96028. (Abyss:1)
15:28:48 <|amethyst> !lm * crash cszo x=vlong
15:28:50 <Sequell> 2278. [2014-11-04 21:00:51] [vlong=0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412] shugdite the Swordmaster (L27 MiFi of Okawaru) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2195 failed on turn 96028. (Abyss:1)
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15:35:20 <wheals> !learn e wheals[2] s/, beam name checks/
15:35:21 <Sequell> wheals[2/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, leeches, improve ghost crabs, plague shamblers???, stony terence, replace props with attributes, dissolution, beam block effects
15:35:33 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1875-g447471b: Remove the '-plain' command-line option. 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=447471b8ace5
15:35:33 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1876-g86cb59e: Don't base behavior on beam names. 10(29 minutes ago, 14 files, 246+ 225-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86cb59e4bad0
15:35:33 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1877-g2b09f64: Make ghosts not a ' ' (#9132). 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b09f64a212a
15:35:33 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1878-g95f172b: Don't give draconian player illusions two breath attacks. 10(73 seconds ago, 3 files, 9+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95f172b81f64
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15:39:06 <theTower> what about dissolution
15:41:10 <PleasingFungus> what about dissolution?
15:41:27 <dpeg> I hear there's a problem with dissolution?
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15:42:51 <wheals> there's a solution, though
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15:46:19 <dpeg> an oozy, slimy solution hopefully?
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15:48:13 <Lightli> wow SA hates shrieks
15:48:21 <Lightli> "I'd rather fight an ancient lich over 5 shrieks"
15:48:33 <Lightli> If you're fighting 5 shrieks at once, something has gone wrong
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15:48:56 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic shriek"

15:48:56 <Lightli> %??caustic shriek
15:48:59 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic shreik"

15:48:59 <Lightli> %??caustic shreik
15:49:02 <Lasty_> yeah, you should prefer an ancient lich to 5 shrikes
15:49:03 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic shirek"

15:49:03 <Lightli> %??caustic shirek
15:49:09 <Lasty_> they're not in chei yet
15:49:10 <theTower> I think it's not updated yet
15:49:13 <Lightli> oh
15:49:14 <theTower> also they're "shrikes"
15:49:17 <Lightli> thanks
15:49:19 <Lasty_> they killed LogicNinja tho
15:49:41 <Lightli> also they called you a shitty dev
15:49:43 <theTower> a person everybody can take seriously
15:49:52 <Lasty_> I'm cool w/ that
15:49:56 <dpeg> Lasty_: you definitely earned your SA love <3
15:49:58 <Lightli> I guess that's an official welcome to the dev team then
15:50:08 <Lasty_> I'm pretty sure I got some abuse for Ru too
15:50:53 <dpeg> If you get no abuse, you're doing it wrong. Fellow devs would accuse you of bein' a "player-hugger".
15:50:53 <Lasty_> Also, who told them I'm a shitty dev? I thought that was our secret.
15:50:58 <Lightli> No, someone called you that
15:51:11 <Lightli> the same guy who said he'd rather fight an ancient lich over 5 shrikes
15:51:14 <Lasty_> haha
15:51:32 <dpeg> They might be right... but we all know they are shitty players :)
15:51:39 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic shiek"

15:51:39 <wheals> %??caustic shiek
15:51:45 <Lightli> not in chei yet
15:51:48 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic sheep"

15:51:48 <theTower> %??caustic sheep
15:51:52 <Cheibriados> caustic bee (11y) | Spd: 20 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-92 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 3408(acid:7d3) | fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold | XP: 2340 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect.

15:51:52 <Lightli> %??caustic bee
15:51:53 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic shrek"

15:51:53 <wheals> %??caustic shrek
15:51:54 <Lasty_> Now I want to read his post. Devs feed on hatred.
15:51:55 <Lightli> still on bee
15:52:10 <dpeg> Lasty_: powered by fear & pain?
15:52:11 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic shrikecursed mass"

15:52:11 <theTower> %??caustic shrikecursed mass
15:52:16 <Lightli> " Lasty actually buffed them recently because people were talking in ##crawl about how you could fight them effectively with Invis. So he added SInv.  P.S. Lasty is a shitty fucking dev and literally tried to argue with me that caustic shrikes were fine because I pointed out that given the choice between one alich and 5 shrikes, I'd take the alich, and he went "yeah, but 5 shrikes isn't as bad as 5 aliches!"  Ignoring that alich
15:52:27 <Lasty_> lol
15:52:29 <Lasty_> oh, that guy
15:52:35 <dpeg> broken at "that aliche"
15:52:49 <Lasty_> psst, |amethyst: feel like updating Chei yet again? I promise not to rebikeshed them for at least two days.
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15:53:07 <Bloaxor> a lichen
15:53:23 <|amethyst> Lasty_:  let me push this fix first
15:54:26 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic lich"

15:54:26 <wheals> %??caustic lich
15:54:43 <Sizzell> tapatio (L22 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2199 failed. (idx: 5, qty: 1, base: 7, sub: 0, spe: -5, col: 0, rnd: 76) (Depths:4)
15:54:51 <Lasty_> Aw, I lost my log of who was arguing about ancient liches.
15:54:51 <wheals> yup negative special
15:54:59 <theTower> clearly need to bring back summon undead except make it summon depths jerks
15:55:17 <theTower> titan, sphinx, shrike,
15:55:18 <wheals> lots of stuff has summon undead still
15:55:26 <wheals> like, uh, mummy priests
15:55:27 <theTower> bring back for liches, I mean
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15:55:36 <wheals> and maybe other things?
15:55:38 <wheals> oh sounds fun
15:55:43 <wheals> randlich spell imo
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15:57:02 <Lightli> clearly shrikes should go back into Zot :v
15:57:06 <Lightli> (not serious)
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15:59:15 <Lasty_> haha
15:59:20 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1879-g4ede7fa: Correct bad sign conversion from unmarshalling (#9131) 10(16 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ede7fa966a9
15:59:20 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73: Replace some magic constants. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c91d7365d44
15:59:23 <Lasty_> Then SA will love me again
16:00:09 <|amethyst> rebuilding cszo
16:00:29 <Sizzell> tapatio (L22 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2199 failed. (idx: 0, qty: 1, base: 7, sub: 0, spe: -5, col: 0, rnd: 218) (Depths:4)
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16:02:42 <|amethyst> Maybe /rebuild/ should have a turbo button
16:02:52 <|amethyst> to turn on -j4 or so
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16:03:31 <Sizzell> MrPlanck (L27 MiSu) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2199 failed. (idx: 1, qty: 1, base: 7, sub: 20, spe: -50, col: 0, rnd: 121) (Tomb:1)
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16:04:31 <Lightli> "Depths is slowly going to turn into someone's dream branch of a place with only LogicNinja player ghosts"
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16:04:54 <ackack> Lasty_: i believe the person in that alich argument was TheMattybee
16:05:01 <theTower> funny, wasn't depths originally hated when it had 1.5 more floors and 1.5x more draconians
16:05:18 <theTower> also wasn't it more hated when it had Cheating Spriggans
16:05:28 <theTower> also wasn't d:20-27 a slog anyway
16:05:34 <dpeg> theTower: the hate is cheap
16:05:49 <Cheibriados> ASSERT(col < NUM_COLOURS) in 'colour.cc' at line 109 failed.

16:05:49 <|amethyst> %??caustic shrike
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16:05:54 <|amethyst> well then
16:05:58 <Cheibriados> ASSERT(col < NUM_COLOURS) in 'colour.cc' at line 109 failed.

16:05:58 <|amethyst> %??goblin
16:06:18 <wheals> GAMMMMMAAFUNNNNNNNK
16:06:58 <reaverb> 1learn add :beh: %?? ::: $nick: Please not that Chei isn't working right now.
16:07:04 <theTower> also weren't we making every branch bleed into every other branch despite cutting crypt and lair enemies from late D
16:07:42 <wheals> what's a late D
16:07:55 <theTower> d stands for multiple things
16:08:06 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73 (34)
16:09:07 <wheals> so i guess a late D would be a golden dragon, for example
16:09:30 <theTower> those are more common now, yes
16:10:02 <theTower> V abuses more oods in its first four floors even before there was a split
16:11:01 <theTower> plus those zot vaults! and the guardian mummy removal from zot!
16:11:44 <wheals> How many times? 10000
16:11:45 <wheals> Dissolution jiggles. x10000
16:11:45 <wheals> == Done ==
16:11:57 <reaverb> wheals: ?
16:12:04 <theTower> oh, that's why dissolution is in your todo
16:12:05 <wheals> xs
16:12:17 <theTower> I wonder what broke his lines
16:12:36 <dpeg> something about intelligence?
16:12:46 <wheals> no, he actually does work
16:13:19 <theTower> so, you just won several lotteries, or...?
16:13:21 <wheals> or wait, he doesn't
16:13:40 <wheals> he was good_netural at the time, i thought that did it
16:16:16 <Cheibriados> caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 17 | HP: 90-128 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 4008(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4359 | Sz: tiny | Int: normal.

16:16:16 <|amethyst> %??caustic shrike
16:16:22 <wheals> hm i can't get anything to tal
16:16:23 <wheals> k
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16:16:42 <Cheibriados> acid blob (11J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-115 | AC/EV: 1/3 | Dam: 4208(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, see invisible | Res: 06magic(160), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 08blind, 12drown | XP: 2419 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: plant.

16:16:42 <theTower> %??acid blob
16:20:11 <Bloaxor> ??caustic shrike
16:20:11 <Sequell> caustic shrike[1/2]: potatolizard: they are jellies glued to beeeeeeeees
16:20:17 <Bloaxor> help
16:21:09 <|amethyst> I thought they were jellies glued to death yaks riding bees
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16:21:22 <Cheibriados> death yak (08Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-92 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 872 | Sz: Big | Int: animal.

16:21:22 <|amethyst> %??death yak
16:21:32 <Cheibriados> caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 17 | HP: 90-128 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 4008(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4359 | Sz: tiny | Int: normal.

16:21:32 <|amethyst> %??caustic shrike
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16:21:49 <wheals> is anyone else able to get monsters to speak in wizmode?
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16:22:07 <|amethyst> almost no effort.
16:22:09 <|amethyst> err
16:22:13 <|amethyst> Dowan says, "Stay away from my face!"
16:22:20 <wheals> hm
16:22:30 <|amethyst> Dissolution says, "Jiyva sees all!"
16:22:38 <Cheibriados> chimera (killer bee, death yak, acid blob) (06H) | Spd: 20 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-23 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 1008(poison:6-12), 30, 4208(acid:7d3) | Res: 06magic(12), 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 63 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.

16:22:38 <Bloaxor> %??killer bee-death yak-acid blob chimera
16:22:48 <|amethyst> wheals:  you're with jiyva?
16:22:51 <Cheibriados> chimera (killer bee, death yak, acid blob) (06H) | Spd: 20 | HD: 18 | HP: 81-120 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 1008(poison:36-72), 30, 4208(acid:7d3) | Res: 06magic(72), 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2588 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.

16:22:51 <Bloaxor> %??killer bee-death yak-acid blob chimera hd:18
16:22:52 <wheals> no, tso
16:23:00 <Bloaxor> yeah that about sums it up
16:23:05 <|amethyst> wheals:  hostile dissolution?
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16:23:10 <Bloaxor> except they're also iron bees
16:23:21 <wheals> xF'd him to be 'peaceful', but i tried it on dowan too
16:23:31 <wheals> and an orc
16:24:33 <wheals> jelly jiggling is all i can get
16:25:00 <wheals> hm,  The great orb of eyes pulsates ominously.
16:25:15 <|amethyst> wheals:  yeah, I'm not getting speech from peacefuls
16:25:32 <|amethyst> s/peaceful/good neutral/
16:25:34 <wheals> i can't get even from a hostile orc
16:25:40 <wheals> i think that's intentional, actually
16:27:39 <|amethyst> wheals:  oh, wandering monsters never speak
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16:27:46 <wheals> yep
16:27:48 <|amethyst> wheals:  and good neutrals are usually wandering
16:28:23 <wheals> but that's in maybe_mons_speaks, and xs should bypass that
16:28:55 <|amethyst> wheals:  is this a fulldebug build?
16:28:59 <wheals> yes
16:29:03 <wheals> er, 'make debug'
16:29:10 <wheals> (-j3 WEBTILES=y as well)
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16:30:31 <|amethyst> wheals:  &^Q8  to turn speech debugging messages
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16:30:55 <wheals> i already did before; every time it ends with  final result: empty!
16:31:21 <wheals> don't understand how ' monster speech lookup for default orc' fails
16:31:56 <wheals> hm, they have a __NONE
16:32:47 <wheals> still, same for Dowan
16:33:11 <|amethyst> it's never actually trying 'Dowan'
16:33:23 <|amethyst> just 'neutral Dowan' and 'default Dowan'
16:33:24 <wheals> isn't that what "default" means?
16:33:42 <wheals> or does it actually try "default dowan"
16:33:42 <|amethyst> wheals:  'default' is a prefix just like the others
16:33:45 <wheals> huh
16:33:57 <|amethyst> it's for things like 'default stupid friendly humanoid'
16:34:31 <|amethyst> whereas if I try with a hostile Dowan, it does try "Dowan"  (after a semicolon though!)
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16:35:14 <|amethyst> oh, the semicolon is just from message joining, never mind
16:36:04 <wheals> what's the thing right before plain "Dowan"
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16:36:42 <|amethyst> monster speech lookup for Dungeon Dowan; monster speech lookup for Dowan
16:37:04 <wheals> oh man
16:37:06 <wheals> it works
16:37:10 <wheals> if i'm in D
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16:37:37 <wheals> but not if i'm in slime
16:38:03 <|amethyst> oh, I see
16:38:21 <|amethyst> there's a flag to __try_exact_string specifically for ignoring "hostile"
16:38:43 <|amethyst> but it doesn't try skipping 'neutral'
16:39:06 <|amethyst> which kind of makes sense: you might not want the default speech strings to apply to non-hostile monsters
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16:39:16 <wheals> yes, that's good
16:39:32 <wheals> but this is a hostile dowan, and he works in d and not slime
16:39:33 <|amethyst> It does try
16:39:38 <|amethyst> hm
16:39:41 <|amethyst> let me see
16:39:58 <wheals> oh i think i see
16:40:10 <wheals> Dungeon has the same shortname and abbrevname
16:40:35 <wheals> or, hm
16:40:39 <|amethyst> ah
16:40:39 <wheals> it does not
16:41:07 <|amethyst> but you're right
16:41:12 <|amethyst> else if (str_to_branch(prefixes[i]) != NUM_BRANCHES
16:41:12 <|amethyst> || prefixes[i] == "Dungeon")
16:41:32 <|amethyst> str_to_branch only works with abbrevname
16:41:36 <wheals> yeah
16:41:54 <wheals> but i don't see any remotely recent changes that would have caused this
16:43:31 <|amethyst> are you sure it was recent?
16:43:44 <wheals> well
16:43:56 <wheals> it looks like it's been broken since branch-specific speech was added
16:44:00 <wheals> which seems hard to believe
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16:44:56 <wheals> %git 6e777bb6dbbd262c5a50142367ba893ece62d419
16:44:57 <Cheibriados> 07due02 * 0.6.0-a1-3388-g6e777bb: Fix monster speech, redux. 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e777bb6dbbd
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16:45:41 <wheals> in other words, that would have fixed monster speech for D, but everywhere else can't have been broken since then?
16:45:42 <wheals> right?
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16:46:02 <|amethyst> wheals:  dungeon, swamp, shoals, crypt, vaults, hell, dis, zot, abyss, depths, and many portal vaults would work
16:46:11 <|amethyst> wheals:  since those all have the same shortname as abbrev name
16:46:15 <wheals> oh
16:46:35 <wheals> this is still great :)
16:47:09 <|amethyst> also, this wouldn't break branch-specific speech
16:47:20 <|amethyst> since the problem is that the tag isn't being stripped and there you wouldn't want it to
16:47:27 <wheals> yeah
16:47:29 <|amethyst> so e.g. donald would work fine
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16:48:01 <|amethyst> nice catch :)
16:48:01 <wheals> you know, i can't remember ever seeing an orc talk in orc
16:48:32 <|amethyst> commit subject:   Justify the ambient noise level in Orc
16:50:03 <wheals> i hope donald is the only monster with branch speech since i'm not going to look through the whole file :P
16:50:04 <dpeg> amazing bug find
16:50:11 <dpeg> so we were missing this for years? :)
16:50:22 * wheals curses loudly, as orcs often do.
16:50:30 <theTower> I remember pleasingfungus having heavy agony over frederick speech
16:51:29 <theTower> although I think that was over systematic problems with checking gods because donald
16:51:56 <wheals> @The_monster@ says, "I forgot to wear corrosion-proof armour. Damn, I hate that!"
16:52:01 <wheals> @The_monster@ says, "Those amoebas look tasty."
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16:56:33 <wheals> %git eb2694d6
16:56:33 <Cheibriados> 07due02 * 0.6.0-a1-2364-geb2694d: Buff Donald, and make him considerably more interesting. 10(4 years, 10 months ago, 6 files, 350+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb2694d6baa8
16:56:41 <wheals> was the exact time that it was broken
16:56:52 <Cheibriados> caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 17 | HP: 90-128 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 4008(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4359 | Sz: tiny | Int: normal.

16:56:52 <greensnark> %?? caustic shrike
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16:56:55 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic bee"

16:56:55 <greensnark> %?? caustic bee
16:57:01 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "caustic wasp"

16:57:01 <greensnark> %?? caustic wasp
16:57:12 <greensnark> Mm, I am reminded of the Firesomething extension
16:57:15 <dpeg> wheals: amoebas?
16:57:24 <wheals> they got removed
16:57:31 <dpeg> I know!
16:57:46 <greensnark> Donald still sees them, his eyesight's just that good
16:57:59 <wheals> of course, he never mentioned they were giant!
16:59:03 <Cheibriados> Donald (02@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 84 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious | Res: 06magic(100), 12drown | XP: 1782 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal.

16:59:03 <greensnark> %?? Donald
16:59:11 <greensnark> Yay Donald's still amphibious
16:59:16 <doy> haha
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17:02:25 <PleasingFungus> theTower: ya, the specific problem is the randomized prefix stripping order (specifically for donald); it checks either "beogh dungeon donald -> dungeon donald -> donald" or "beogh dungeon donald -> beogh donald -> donald", and it's a coinflip for which
17:02:27 <PleasingFungus> iirc
17:02:53 <PleasingFungus> I mean, this code was put in specifically for donald, but it applies to everything
17:03:35 <PleasingFungus> which means you can't use "no god fred -> generic text; fred -> generic text / godbotherer text"; you'd have to spell out every single god
17:05:11 <PleasingFungus> I eventually concluded that I'd need to rewrite mon-speech.cc to have any chance of getting to the bottom of things, and so gave up
17:05:39 <Cheibriados> crash when going down to an unexplored floor in depths 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9133 by tapatio
17:06:03 <|amethyst> !lm tapatio crash
17:06:03 <Sequell> 7. [2014-11-04 21:54:57] tapatio the Devastator (L22 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2199 failed. (idx: 0, qty: 1, base: 7, sub: 0, spe: -5, col: 0, rnd: 218) (Depths:4)
17:06:13 <|amethyst> !lm tapatio crash x=vlong
17:06:14 <Sequell> 7. [2014-11-04 21:54:57] [vlong=0.16-a0-1874-g60556f9] tapatio the Devastator (L22 DgNe) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2199 failed. (idx: 0, qty: 1, base: 7, sub: 0, spe: -5, col: 0, rnd: 218) (Depths:4)
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17:06:22 <PleasingFungus> %git
17:06:22 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73: Replace some magic constants. 10(77 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c91d7365d44
17:06:36 <PleasingFungus> people need to go crash more
17:06:39 <PleasingFungus> so we can get their logs
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17:09:57 <PleasingFungus> !crash gammafunk
17:09:58 <Sequell> 7. gammafunk, XL10 KoCK, T:13597 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/crash-gammafunk-20130831-170101.txt
17:10:34 <|amethyst> 9134 is related to ugly thing corpse stuff I bet
17:10:38 <|amethyst> %bug 9134
17:10:38 <Cheibriados> 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9134
17:10:44 <Cheibriados> Auto-explore always leads to two piles of mutagenic chunks 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9134 by ManMan
17:11:14 <PleasingFungus> imagine me shaking my head, over and over again
17:11:41 <|amethyst> d - [Slime:1] a mutagenic chunk of flesh (gone by now)
17:11:51 <|amethyst> (spoiler: it's not actually gone)
17:12:31 <|amethyst> so maybe it's not ugly thing
17:12:38 <wheals> If you want a picture of crawl's future, imagine PleasingFungus shaking his head -- for ever.
17:13:12 <PleasingFungus> also, when I'm not doing that, I'm holding my head in my hands.
17:13:14 <PleasingFungus> why is code so hard.
17:13:34 <|amethyst> hm, no, it does seem to be specific to UT chunks
17:14:08 <|amethyst> well
17:14:50 <|amethyst> the visit loop is specific to UT chunks
17:14:54 <|amethyst> "gone by now" is not
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17:17:26 <Sizzell> Foatgucker (L13 MiFi)  (D (Sprint))
17:17:39 <|amethyst> !crashlog * sprint
17:17:40 <Sequell> 539. Foatgucker, XL13 MiFi, T:3377 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Foatgucker/crash-Foatgucker-20141104-231721.txt
17:18:13 <|amethyst> infinite recursion in a bolt?
17:18:24 <wheals> my fault i bet
17:18:54 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: my KoCK crashed, so what
17:19:33 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: I don't get it
17:20:03 <gammafunk> WebTiles joke, I'll explain later in WebTiles
17:20:05 <Grunt> sounds like a real KoCK block
17:20:09 <Grunt> :(
17:21:14 <geekosaur> warms the KoCKles of your heart, doesn't it
17:21:50 <wheals> very easily reproducible
17:21:54 <gammafunk> ??gammafunk
17:21:55 <Sequell> gammafunk[1/11]: TODO: make monster color inherit when possible, grand avatar movement bug, monster ranged always going through allies
17:22:22 <gammafunk> !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/make monster[^,]+, //
17:22:22 <Sequell> gammafunk[1/11]: TODO: grand avatar movement bug, monster ranged always going through allies
17:22:31 <Grunt> !learn add future_of_crawl <whals> If you want a picture of crawl's future, imagine PleasingFungus shaking his head -- for ever.
17:22:31 <Sequell> future of crawl[1/1]: <whals> If you want a picture of crawl's future, imagine PleasingFungus shaking his head -- for ever.
17:22:38 <gammafunk> whals
17:22:39 <wheals> whals
17:22:44 <PleasingFungus> whals
17:22:47 <Grunt> rip
17:22:47 <Sequell> rip
17:22:52 <wheals> rip
17:22:55 <PleasingFungus> rip
17:23:03 <PleasingFungus> (is there an echo...?)
17:23:08 <Grunt> cursed -3 phone keyboard strikes again
17:23:10 <gammafunk> .echo no
17:23:11 <Sequell> no
17:23:57 <Grunt> !learn edit future_of_crawl[1] s/whals/wheals/
17:23:58 <Sequell> future of crawl[1/1]: <wheals> If you want a picture of crawl's future, imagine PleasingFungus shaking his head -- for ever.
17:24:22 <Grunt> 1learn add wheals <wheals> whals
17:24:26 <gammafunk> I keep saying, we really need some lua test scripts or something
17:24:35 <PleasingFungus> talk to nrook
17:24:45 <gammafunk> for you people who make so much code but don't test it quite so much
17:24:45 <dpeg> or to kilo byte
17:24:46 <PleasingFungus> he has no end of opinions on testing
17:25:00 <PleasingFungus> and has been waiting for an interested dev
17:25:16 <gammafunk> of course I test mine like a weird maniac, and I don't code much
17:25:45 <PleasingFungus> I have been very sloppy with testing lately
17:25:52 <PleasingFungus> it is shameful and I feel bad about it
17:26:01 <gammafunk> well when you change larger portions like you've been
17:26:04 <gammafunk> it's harder to test, in all fairness
17:26:12 <Grunt> don't get too
17:26:14 <gammafunk> but yeah some easy things def. have not bee caught
17:26:17 <gammafunk> *been
17:26:17 <Grunt> !glasses
17:26:18 <Sequell> ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■)
17:26:22 <Grunt> testy
17:26:25 <Grunt> about this
17:26:48 <gammafunk> |amethyst: what do you think about making like a few lua test scripts, any suggestions there?
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17:27:11 <gammafunk> I'm not even sure what is the best way; we could just run qw but that's still a narrow set of things
17:27:45 <gammafunk> I'm a bit more confident in writing lua these days, but I'm still new at it
17:28:57 <gammafunk> I guess what I'd like is something people could decide to run as an rc, maybe broken down by like "items", "monsters (including spells", "abilities", or whatever would be reasonable
17:29:12 <gammafunk> s/spells/spells)/
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17:29:40 <gammafunk> then PleasingFungus could have run e.g. ./crawl -rc testing/test-items.rc at some point
17:29:51 <gammafunk> and maybe some of those crashes would have been discovered
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17:30:17 <doy> i added a qw test script a couple months ago
17:30:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  test/ would be the usual place
17:30:47 <gammafunk> doy: does it just run qw, or does it do something test-specific?
17:30:52 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  oh, you said "there", not "where"
17:31:07 <gammafunk> |amethyst: yeah, like what kind of testing approach
17:31:14 <gammafunk> would be helpful and not a mountain of work
17:31:17 <doy> gammafunk: just runs qw
17:31:36 <gammafunk> well qw is certainly better than nothing and can run fast if you turn off throttling
17:31:47 <doy> test/stress/qw.rc
17:32:07 <gammafunk> I also see though that people are maybe not actually testing save compat?
17:32:24 <gammafunk> that's kind of time-consuming to do but there's maybe no shortcut to that
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17:32:49 <gammafunk> s/but/and/
17:33:22 <PleasingFungus> I certainly tested save compat with my changes
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17:33:50 <PleasingFungus> not *sufficiently*, maybe, but i spent about three straight hours last night trying to work out one kink in save compat
17:33:52 <PleasingFungus> so idk
17:33:54 <gammafunk> yeah I saw some commits from wheals, but maybe he did test it and it was just a case he wasn't aware of
17:34:15 <wheals> i tested a bunch of spells, but imb was not one
17:34:22 <gammafunk> ah ok
17:34:32 <gammafunk> I guess I'll just wait until a big enough forest fire happens that people get super excited about testing
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17:35:04 <theTower> forest fire? there's no other branches to disperse
17:35:21 <gammafunk> when another branch burns down, we'll be ready
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17:35:47 <theTower> maybe people will try out newestnemelex?
17:35:59 <gammafunk> or rather, we'll not be ready, but we'll feel compell...ok it was a bad analogy
17:36:48 <gammafunk> did N7 have any changes in mind to Nem's card system, or was the project just the new cards?
17:36:56 <theTower> just cards
17:37:02 <theTower> there's a lot of card changes though!
17:37:16 <gammafunk> if the latter, then I guess it's just a case of ...well I guess another experimental branch if you want
17:37:28 <gammafunk> the uh "make a Pan lord" card seems possibly problematic
17:37:53 <gammafunk> but maybe there's only one way to find out
17:38:25 <wheals> so
17:38:28 <wheals> http://sprunge.us/ciOb
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17:39:17 <gammafunk> wheals: ....that monster speech....
17:40:06 <gammafunk> maybe disso could get the prince ribbit treatment
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17:40:18 <gammafunk> but what about the other slimes in slime, they still hate the player
17:40:39 <wheals> just like all other monsters
17:41:01 <wheals> mostly the idea is to take away his jiyva-specific speech
17:41:09 <wheals> and replace it with really crappy ones
17:41:18 <Sizzell> Foatgucker (L16 MiFi)  (D (Sprint))
17:41:22 <gammafunk> wheals: well you can use lua to condition the speech
17:41:44 <gammafunk> I do that with asterion, but it checks some stuff on the player
17:41:47 <gammafunk> and there are other examples
17:41:54 <PleasingFungus> that monster speech is amazing
17:42:03 <PleasingFungus> I was ambivalent on the patch but man
17:42:05 <Sizzell> Foatgucker (L16 MiFi)  (D (Sprint))
17:42:19 <PleasingFungus> "I've been considering becoming a priest of Zin."
17:42:49 <Sizzell> Foatgucker (L16 MiFi)  (D (Sprint))
17:42:53 <gammafunk> wheals had his little brother write it, come on
17:43:39 <wheals> well yes there's a reason i don't usually write monster speech >_>
17:43:58 <gammafunk> tbqh I didn't care for the speech I wrote either
17:44:52 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1881-gbc1c971: Allow monsters besides Donald to talk in all branches. 10(51 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc1c97133ccd
17:44:52 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1882-g6dea47a: Don't hit an inifinte loop when casting IMB. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dea47a319cb
17:45:01 <Sizzell> Foatgucker (L16 MiFi)  (D (Sprint))
17:45:06 <wheals> ??rebuild
17:45:07 <Sequell> rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely.
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17:45:55 <wheals> !learn e wheals[2] s/dissolution, /
17:45:55 <Sequell> wheals[2/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, leeches, improve ghost crabs, plague shamblers???, stony terence, replace props with attributes, beam block effects
17:46:19 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1882-g6dea47a (34)
17:46:29 <wheals> mm, nice and fast
17:47:04 <PleasingFungus> it's always fast, when it's not locked up crashing!
17:47:18 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: no one has triggered the item crash since you pushed the more verbose assertion. how do you feel about this
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17:47:39 <wheals> lots of people have
17:47:45 <wheals> !lm * crash noun~~spe
17:47:46 <Sequell> 105. [2014-11-04 22:02:57] MrPlanck the Conqueror (L27 MiSu of Trog) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2199 failed. (idx: 1, qty: 1, base: 7, sub: 20, spe: -50, col: 0, rnd: 121) (Tomb:1)
17:47:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  because I just fixed the crash too
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17:48:18 <PleasingFungus> o
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17:48:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  and someone did anyway
17:48:20 <PleasingFungus> you did
17:48:21 <PleasingFungus> ?
17:48:32 <PleasingFungus> oh, right, I still have most bots on ignore
17:48:40 <PleasingFungus> I guess I could change that
17:48:45 <PleasingFungus> eh. sounds stressful.
17:48:56 <|amethyst> !lm * crash~~base:
17:48:57 <Sequell> 3. [2014-11-04 22:02:57] MrPlanck the Conqueror (L27 MiSu of Trog) ASSERT(mitm[p].is valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2199 failed. (idx: 1, qty: 1, base: 7, sub: 20, spe: -50, col: 0, rnd: 121) (Tomb:1)
17:49:09 <|amethyst> %git :/bad sign
17:49:09 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-1879-g4ede7fa: Correct bad sign conversion from unmarshalling (#9131) 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ede7fa966a9
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17:50:21 <PleasingFungus> oh, is that what was causing the crash, too?
17:50:27 <PleasingFungus> I thought it was just the buggy item names
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17:50:48 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  both I think
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17:51:22 <PleasingFungus> huh
17:51:24 <PleasingFungus> well, that's nice.
17:51:43 <PleasingFungus> thank you very much for the fix!
17:54:07 <|amethyst> ah
17:54:25 <|amethyst> yeah, that crash was because col = 0
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17:55:00 <|amethyst> for potions (base == 7), it was calculating with subtype_rnd == -50
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17:55:32 <PleasingFungus> sounds like we should either have more asserts (in the places we're using subtype_rnd), or to explicitly use abs
17:55:40 <PleasingFungus> so that we actually catch the problem closer to the source
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17:55:58 <wheals> isn't x % y always positive?
17:56:06 <|amethyst> wheals:  no
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17:56:18 <wheals> huh
17:56:26 <wheals> don't remember where i got the impression
17:56:35 <doy> % is undefined on negative numbers, isn't it?
17:56:46 <doy> or something like that?
17:57:28 <Grunt> doy defies definition.
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17:57:35 <|amethyst> yeah, it's undefined in C++03
17:57:53 <|amethyst> in C++11 it's specified (and negative)
17:58:10 <|amethyst> http://stackoverflow.com/a/13100805
17:58:18 <doy> ah, okay
17:58:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  probably making it unsigned was a mistake
17:58:34 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  err, making it signed rather
17:58:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  then again, it was signed before wasn't it?
17:58:44 <|amethyst> hm
17:59:04 <|amethyst> or we could leave it signed and assert something about the range somewhere or other
17:59:07 <PleasingFungus> %git 6c7e10ac97
17:59:07 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1863-g6c7e10a: Remove consum_desc 10(21 hours ago, 9 files, 78+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c7e10ac9768
17:59:24 <PleasingFungus> went from uint8_t to uint32_t
17:59:33 <|amethyst> ?
17:59:37 <|amethyst> that's item_description
17:59:39 <PleasingFungus> item_description, yes.
17:59:53 <PleasingFungus> appearance was signed then and now.
18:00:00 <|amethyst> ah
18:00:01 <PleasingFungus> I assume short is signed?
18:00:04 <|amethyst> yes
18:00:12 <Cheibriados> Several Crashes on Vaults:1 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9135 by ManMan
18:00:13 <PleasingFungus> so yeah, we've always been doing fun signed-unsigned math
18:00:20 <|amethyst> great :P
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18:00:27 <PleasingFungus> !crashlog manman
18:00:28 <Sequell> 35. ManMan, XL27 NaWz, T:200520 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ManMan/crash-ManMan-20141029-170556.txt
18:00:38 <PleasingFungus> ?
18:00:49 <Grunt> !lm manman crash s=char
18:00:50 <Sequell> 35 milestones for manman (crash): 35x NaWz
18:00:55 <Grunt> ?
18:01:05 <PleasingFungus> well
18:01:06 <Grunt> !lm manman
18:01:07 <Sequell> 4030. [2014-11-04 22:58:29] ManMan the Acrobat (L19 MfTm of Cheibriados) entered the Vaults on turn 40566. (D:13)
18:01:12 <PleasingFungus> it is possible for crashes to not generate milestones
18:01:16 <Grunt> .
18:01:24 <PleasingFungus> if something goes horribly wrong (this has happened before)
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18:01:51 <gammafunk> !kw crash
18:01:51 <Sequell> Built-in: crash => verb=crash
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18:02:27 <Grunt> !send PleasingFungus segfault breath
18:02:28 <Sequell> Sending segfault breath to PleasingFungus.
18:02:36 * PleasingFungus crashes!
18:02:40 <wheals> !remove Grunt's bad breath
18:03:00 <dpeg> |amethyst: should the monspeak doc state that the short branch names have to be used?
18:03:00 <gammafunk> unrelated but
18:03:02 <wheals> poor manman
18:03:07 <gammafunk> !runes .
18:03:08 <Sequell> No milestones for gammafunk (gid=gammafunk:cszo:20141001014837S rune).
18:03:11 <Grunt> !seen d peg
18:03:11 <Sequell> Sorry Grunt, I haven't seen d.
18:03:13 <gammafunk> oh
18:03:15 <Grunt> !seen dpeg
18:03:16 <Sequell> I last saw dpeg at Wed Nov  5 00:03:00 2014 UTC (16s ago) saying '|amethyst: should the monspeak doc state that the short branch names have to be used?' on ##crawl-dev.
18:03:24 <gammafunk> hoow did those go away
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18:03:28 <gammafunk> !cmd !runes
18:03:28 <Sequell> Command: !runes => .echo $(let (gid (!lm ${1:-.} $* alive x=gid fmt:"${x[0]}")) (!lm ${1:-.} gid=$gid rune s=noun x=+max(turns) fmt:"${.}"))
18:03:35 <Grunt> !runes
18:03:36 <Sequell> No milestones for Grunt (gid=SGrunt:cbro:20140319052452S rune).
18:03:46 <Grunt> o_O?
18:03:49 <Grunt> !lm . alive
18:03:49 <Sequell> 1. [2014-04-19 05:24:53] SGrunt the Skirmisher (L1 MuCK of Xom) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1)
18:03:51 <Grunt> rip
18:04:15 <PleasingFungus> I thought we fixed the rune thing
18:04:17 <PleasingFungus> twice
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18:05:00 <wheals> !lm * rune
18:05:02 <Sequell> 271191. [2014-11-05 00:04:16] braks the Pulveriser (L23 DsGl of Dithmenos) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 72144. (Vaults:5)
18:05:08 <wheals> !lm * rune trunk
18:05:09 <Sequell> 129898. [2014-11-05 00:04:16] braks the Pulveriser (L23 DsGl of Dithmenos) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 72144. (Vaults:5)
18:05:18 <wheals> seems to be working
18:05:25 <Grunt> !runes wheals
18:05:26 <Sequell> No milestones for wheals (gid=wheals:cbro:20140928170501S rune).
18:05:31 <Grunt> splat
18:06:01 <gammafunk> !runes . place=d:1 urune=15
18:06:03 <Sequell> Subcommand $(!lm . gid=No milestones for gammafunk (place=d:1 urune=15 alive). rune s=noun x=+max(turns) fmt:"${.}") failed: Broken query near '1 urune=15 alive). rune s=noun x=+max(turns) fmt:"${.}"'
18:06:19 <gammafunk> oh
18:06:39 <gammafunk> !runes . lg:place=d:1 lg:urune=15
18:06:40 <Sequell> Subcommand $(!lm . gid=No milestones for gammafunk (lg:place=d:1 lg:urune=15 alive). rune s=noun x=+max(turns) fmt:"${.}") failed: Broken query near '1 lg:urune=15 alive). rune s=noun x=+max(turns) fmt:"${.}"'
18:06:46 <gammafunk> !lm . lg:place=d:1 lg:urune=15
18:06:47 <Sequell> 85. [2014-02-22 20:15:34] gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna) left the Realm of Zot on turn 48770. (Zot:1)
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18:06:58 <Grunt> heh I am watching a summoner of Ru with Sacrifice Courage
18:07:06 <Grunt> I accidentally typed "Summon Courage"
18:07:07 <Grunt> fr!!!
18:07:10 <Grunt> gammafunk: get to work on that imo
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18:08:03 <gammafunk> no thanks, summonings not a school in desperate need of changes...maybe charms does
18:08:10 <gammafunk> but that's a Hard Problem
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18:08:52 <Lasty> summon courage: +slaying/archmage for each scary monster in sight?
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18:09:25 <gammafunk> wow, stacking the archmage
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18:09:59 <gammafunk> Grunt: I think I might finallly fix g. avatar movement though
18:10:07 <gammafunk> that that is sort of a summon
18:11:06 <gammafunk> s/that that/and that/
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18:11:10 <wheals> wow the terence tile looks extremely goofy
18:11:22 <gammafunk> there's a new one?
18:11:36 <wheals> no, this current one
18:11:43 <wheals> he looks quite fat
18:11:48 <gammafunk> ....you've only just now seen that...
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18:15:43 <gammafunk> if (success && one_chance_in(++good_count))
18:15:44 <gammafunk> empty = *ri;
18:15:49 <gammafunk> I remember that loop hack!
18:16:08 <gammafunk> grunt code taught it to me
18:16:45 <PleasingFungus> augh
18:17:01 <PleasingFungus> stop writing "clever" code!!!!!!!!!
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18:17:24 <gammafunk> but it's so simple....
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18:18:10 <gammafunk> !function find_habitable_spot_near
18:18:11 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc;hb=HEAD#l4007
18:18:26 <gammafunk> I basically need to add a special function to call for grand avatar
18:18:33 <PleasingFungus> "hm yes, I like writing misleading code that combines boolean short-circuiting with state changes in conditionals" - gam a. funk
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18:19:25 <PleasingFungus> if (success) { good_count += 1; if (one_chance_in(good_count) empty = *ri; } <- this but with actual newlines
18:19:39 <PleasingFungus> erp, and another closing paren
18:20:11 * gammafunk looks dejected
18:20:36 <PleasingFungus> write clever code in personal projects where no one will care if you can't read it in a month
18:21:17 <|amethyst> is the second version actually more readable?
18:21:18 <gammafunk> well the part I like about it is not the rng call in the condition, it's the use of one_chance_in to get discrete uniform
18:21:23 <Lasty> pf breaks another heart (ps i agree w you )
18:21:25 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: with whitespace, yes, probably
18:21:42 <gammafunk> what you wrote actually still preserves the part that I like
18:21:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  seems like either way you kind of have to know the randome-selection algorithm
18:21:48 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: ya that's a cute gruntism that shows up here & there (e.g. in the function just below!)
18:21:53 <gammafunk> just breaks it out a bit
18:22:04 <|amethyst> s/dome/dom/
18:22:08 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: yeah it feels like that should also be abstracted out; it's an idiom that appears in multiple places
18:22:09 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: but....!!!! grunt says he learned it from crawl code!!!!
18:22:12 <PleasingFungus> w/e
18:22:24 <Grunt> what's this about a Gruntism
18:22:30 <Grunt> // DANG // rip
18:22:31 <gammafunk> Grunt: the loop hack thing
18:22:33 <gammafunk> I found it again
18:22:34 <|amethyst> Grunt:  PleasingFungus doesn't like C programmers :)
18:22:58 <gammafunk> (and I'd like it on record that I didn't write this function)
18:23:06 <Grunt> !send gammafunk loopy
18:23:06 <Sequell> Sending loopy to gammafunk.
18:23:18 <Grunt> !send loopiness gammafunk
18:23:19 <Sequell> Sending gammafunk to loopiness.
18:23:19 <gammafunk> but ok my plan for this is an additional test if mon_type == MONS_GRAND_AVATAR
18:23:21 <wheals> 1learn add crawlcode <gammafunk> (and I'd like it on record that I didn't write this function)
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18:24:00 <PleasingFungus> C is fine, but C should not be written in C++
18:24:04 <gammafunk> and call itlike _grand_avatar_can_move_here_because_there_is_another_monster_still_in_its_los_with_the_grand_avatar_enchant
18:24:11 <PleasingFungus> here is where C is appropriate: when you are writing embedded systems
18:24:13 <gammafunk> (*ri)
18:24:41 <minmay> also git
18:24:44 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: is that your impression of a pf function name
18:24:55 <gammafunk> I just wanted to be clear what function would do
18:25:18 <gammafunk> but yes god PleasingFungus refactorings some times
18:25:25 <Lasty> good function name
18:25:33 <PleasingFungus> isn't it just the one tentacle throw refactoring
18:25:51 <Lasty> they should all be named hat
18:26:01 <PleasingFungus> it seems like that could get kind of confusing.
18:26:06 <|amethyst> hat_t hat = hat(hat);
18:26:08 <gammafunk> yeah probably, I just only have c++ experience through crawl code so my view is skewed
18:26:57 <gammafunk> and then it's silly academic C code no one uses for C, so not exactly similar worlds to tie my coding experience together for C/C++
18:27:07 <gammafunk> s/for C//
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18:28:37 <Grunt> academic C code
18:28:38 <Grunt> hm
18:28:47 <Grunt> |amethyst: hat. hat. hat.
18:29:05 <|amethyst> template<class T> class random_chooser { ... };   random_chooser<coord_def> ch;  if (success) ch.consider(*ri);
18:29:16 <|amethyst> I guess it would need another name
18:29:27 <PleasingFungus> I was going with one_of
18:29:39 <PleasingFungus> for my python example implementation
18:29:43 <theTower> %git fad644818c9b
18:29:43 <Cheibriados> 07tenofswords02 {mumra} * 0.13-a0-1126-gfad6448: CLEAR practice: consolidate several Lair vaults 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 1 file, 135+ 288-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fad644818c9b
18:29:47 <PleasingFungus> that I was writing out since I don't know how to write it in C++
18:29:52 <theTower> vault refactoring?
18:30:05 <PleasingFungus> theTower: ?
18:30:14 <gammafunk> theTower wants to feel included, awwww
18:30:14 <theTower> probably doesn't count
18:31:03 <PleasingFungus> I'm so confused
18:31:16 <wheals> haha jessica generates when i'm testing terence
18:31:23 <minmay> gammafunk: academic C code like "0 global variables" or academic C code like "typedef int *intPointer;"
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18:32:28 <gammafunk> heh, I was going for "used only for academic research/publications and for no other purpse ever I mean ever"
18:32:56 <|amethyst> so "0 local variables", gotcha :)
18:33:25 <gammafunk> |amethyst: well I bet your academic C code was rather better than mine ever was!
18:33:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  I do agree that ++ in the middle of an expression like that is less readable than it could be
18:34:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  I disagree with && versus nesting (though in this case, of course, you need the nesting once you eliminate the ++)
18:34:17 <wheals> but more readable than it should be!
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18:35:25 <gammafunk> yeah I tend to find the || and && chains in ifs more readable, but then again I'm used to reading them now
18:35:40 <Grunt> er
18:35:46 <Grunt> I was just watching Wombat on cszo
18:35:47 <Grunt> and
18:36:00 <Grunt> Wombat's game ended unexpectedly.
18:36:00 <PleasingFungus> !crashlog wombat
18:36:00 <Sequell> No milestones for wombat (crash).
18:36:02 <PleasingFungus> yep
18:36:07 <PleasingFungus> so okay, manman and wombat
18:36:10 <wheals> did he cast imb
18:36:10 <PleasingFungus> !lm wombat x=vlong
18:36:11 <Sequell> 1912. [2014-11-05 00:31:28] [vlong=0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73] Wombat the Peltast (L19 OpAs of Cheibriados) killed Vashnia on turn 67034. (Snake:5)
18:36:17 <Cheibriados> naga mage (06N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 7 | HP: 30-51 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 403(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 416 | Sp: spit poison (d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.venom (3d12), mystic blast (3d13), haste, poison arrow (3d14), teleport other, teleport self [04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: normal.

18:36:17 <PleasingFungus> %??naga mage
18:36:24 <PleasingFungus> mystic blast (3d13)
18:36:34 <wheals> i'm not actually sure whether monsters triggered it
18:36:34 <Grunt> mmmmmmmmmmm
18:36:39 <|amethyst> hm
18:36:42 <|amethyst> no crash log on the server either
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18:37:27 <wheals> http://sprunge.us/jTUh
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18:38:28 <PleasingFungus> brutal vm nerfs
18:38:32 <PleasingFungus> and, er, ae
18:38:39 <wheals> ae has swiftness
18:38:42 <wheals> so 'lol'
18:38:46 <PleasingFungus> true
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18:39:04 <PleasingFungus> so, is he actually killable
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18:39:23 <PleasingFungus> 15 ac is a lot for d:2-4
18:39:49 <PleasingFungus> ne would be fine, except that he's nonliving, so ha ha ha
18:39:53 <PleasingFungus> en is likewise out of luck
18:39:55 <PleasingFungus> hm
18:39:58 <wheals> possibly not without consumables
18:40:03 <wheals> en can't hex him?
18:40:35 <wheals> ah, unaffected by EH
18:40:43 <wheals> and confuse
18:41:31 <PleasingFungus> there's an argument that nonliving monsters (or at least gargoyles & pals) shouldn't be confuse-immune
18:41:54 <theTower> obviously should involve intelligence
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18:42:02 <Cheibriados> orange crystal statue (048) | Spd: 6 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, evil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 412 | Sp: brain feed [11!AM, 06!sil], draining gaze [11!AM, 06!sil], mass confusion [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high.

18:42:02 <PleasingFungus> %??orange crystal statue
18:42:11 <Cheibriados> orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8519 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal.

18:42:11 <gammafunk> %??orb_of_fire
18:42:14 <wheals> he is killable as far as i can tell, though he will outdamage early on
18:42:20 <gammafunk> confused oof? no thanks!
18:42:21 <theTower> okay, probably not
18:42:22 <wheals> +you
18:42:54 <wheals> !killratio terence
18:42:57 <wheals> !killratio jessica
18:42:58 <Sequell> terence wins 11.99% of battles.
18:42:58 <PleasingFungus> yeah idk what kind of reasonable split there would be, besides "gargoyles aren't quite nonliving and so get a Special Case"
18:43:01 <Sequell> jessica wins 5.752% of battles.
18:43:01 <wheals> !killratio sigmund
18:43:05 <Sequell> sigmund wins 26.77% of battles.
18:43:07 <PleasingFungus> alternately, make gargoyles living holiness
18:43:13 <wheals> wow T is much higher than i expected
18:43:19 <PleasingFungus> (this is something I floated before; iirc |amethyst was against it)
18:43:28 <PleasingFungus> wheals: he is the super-worm of early d
18:43:34 <theTower> hyperworm
18:43:38 <PleasingFungus> please remember the caliber of players he is up against
18:43:58 <wheals> !killratio terence .
18:44:00 <Sequell> terence wins 15.67% of battles against wheals.
18:44:02 <wheals> haha
18:44:07 <PleasingFungus> ouch
18:44:12 <gammafunk> !killratio terence .
18:44:13 <wheals> !lg . ikiller~~terence s=ckaux
18:44:14 <Sequell> terence wins 10.34% of battles against gammafunk.
18:44:14 <Sequell> 45 games for wheals (ikiller~~terence): 8x mace, 5x falchion, 5x hand axe, 3x hand axe of electrocution, 3x wand of magic darts, 3x flail, 2x, 2x hand axe of chopping, 2x short sword, 2x wand of frost, 2x morningstar, flail of protection, mace of draining, wand of flame, long sword, flail of crushing, trident, trident of protection, falchion of protection
18:44:18 <gammafunk> sd
18:44:20 <gammafunk> sad
18:44:34 <PleasingFungus> my standing position on terence is that he should be renamed and rethemed to edmund, but otherwise unchanged. could always replace edmund with a gargoyle (but probably not one named terence)
18:44:35 <wheals> see, six were wands!
18:45:07 <gammafunk> but as always, speedrunners exception for me
18:45:14 <Grunt> imo Edward
18:45:24 <Grunt> give him a pretentious Roman numeral too
18:45:34 <Grunt> (this would for the gargoyle)
18:45:40 <gammafunk> !killratio terence . !HESu !HEIE
18:45:42 <Sequell> terence wins 2.702% of battles against gammafunk (!HESu !HEIE).
18:45:46 <Grunt> !killratio terence . recent
18:45:47 <Sequell> terence wins 0.0% of battles against Grunt (recent).
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18:45:53 <theTower> who names their church decorations anyway
18:45:55 <wheals> !killratio terence . recent
18:45:57 <Sequell> terence wins 18.91% of battles against wheals (recent).
18:46:00 <wheals> wow
18:46:02 <Grunt> wheals: rip......
18:46:11 <PleasingFungus> Grunt: what, edward AND edmund? madness.........
18:46:12 <gammafunk> !lg wheals ikiller=terence s=char
18:46:13 <Sequell> 45 games for wheals (ikiller=terence): 4x HEAM, 4x HODK, 2x DEFE, 2x DrCj, 2x OpSu, 2x DrTm, 2x HOBe, OpFE, HEIE, MfIE, TeEE, DsCK, DsTm, DrHe, HuHe, DsAK, HEAK, OpEE, MfGl, NaFi, HOEE, FoHe, CeHu, MuCj, DsFE, DsAE, HEWr, HEAE, DgCj, HaBe, HOPr, DsMo, DsDK, DrFE
18:46:14 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: muhahahahaha
18:46:24 <gammafunk> geeze wheals all over the dang map
18:46:25 <wheals> chars of shame
18:46:27 <PleasingFungus> give him a fancy double name. francis edward
18:46:46 <PleasingFungus> adolf edward francis von jozef
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18:47:06 <gammafunk> terpsichore
18:47:24 <gammafunk> !lg * ikiller=terpsichore
18:47:26 <Sequell> 9. LuckyNed the Spry (L16 OgHu of Okawaru), slain by Terpsichore on D:17 on 2011-03-30 02:38:06, with 81649 points after 36164 turns and 2:31:06.
18:47:33 <gammafunk> !lg * nostalgia ikiller=terpsichore
18:47:34 <Sequell> 1. cptwinky the Shatterer (L20 DsWn of Yredelemnul), slain by a scimitar (animated by Terpsichore) on Snake:3 on 2014-06-10 04:15:37, with 284281 points after 46915 turns and 4:00:05.
18:47:34 <theTower> warwick
18:47:42 <gammafunk> good, got one at least
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18:47:51 <gammafunk> oh nice, and it was a dancing weapon
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18:48:45 <wheals> !lg . ikiller~~terence / kaux~~\+4
18:48:46 <Sequell> 5/45 games for wheals (ikiller~~terence): N=5/45 (11.11%)
18:49:53 <Grunt> !lg * kaux~~\+12 ckiller=Terence
18:49:54 <Sequell> 1. haldagan the Shield-Bearer (L4 FoFi), slain by Terence (a +12 hand axe) on D:2 on 2014-07-09 07:57:46, with 63 points after 1746 turns and 0:06:38.
18:49:56 <Grunt> !
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18:50:47 <wheals> !lg devteamnp current ignominy s=name
18:50:48 <Sequell> 14 games for devteamnp (current ignominy): 6x neil, 3x gammafunk, 2x wheals, PleasingFungus, ontoclasm, dpeg
18:50:52 <wheals> dang...
18:50:59 <Grunt> !lg * kaux~~a_\+12_
18:51:00 <Sequell> 1. haldagan the Shield-Bearer (L4 FoFi), slain by Terence (a +12 hand axe) on D:2 on 2014-07-09 07:57:46, with 63 points after 1746 turns and 0:06:38.
18:51:01 <theTower> !kw ignominy
18:51:02 <Sequell> Keyword: ignominy => ckiller=worm
18:51:02 <Grunt> !!!!!!!!
18:51:07 <wheals> 1kw ignominy ckiller=worm|terence
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18:52:06 <primordial> Ghosts are a black tile again. Did I mess up my rcfile or is this intentional?
18:52:25 <Grunt> %git HEAD^{/\' \'}
18:52:26 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit HEAD^{/\' \'} (git returned 128)
18:52:30 <Grunt> %git HEAD^{/.*\' \'.*}
18:52:31 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit HEAD^{/.*\' \'.*} (git returned 128)
18:52:37 <Grunt> %git HEAD^{/ape NetHack}
18:52:37 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1877-g2b09f64: Make ghosts not a ' ' (#9132). 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b09f64a212a
18:52:38 <wheals> !lm primordial x=vlong
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18:52:39 <Sequell> 205. [2014-11-05 00:33:48] [vlong=0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412] primordial the Cutter (L4 VpWn) killed Terence on turn 5628. (D:2)
18:52:40 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: ^
18:52:43 <Grunt> er
18:52:44 <Grunt> primordial: ^
18:52:46 <wheals> !lm primordial x=sr
18:52:47 <wheals> !lm primordial x=src
18:52:47 <Sequell> Unknown field: sr
18:52:48 <Sequell> 205. [2014-11-05 00:33:48] [src=cbro] primordial the Cutter (L4 VpWn) killed Terence on turn 5628. (D:2)
18:52:52 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: you're not primordial, sorry.
18:52:54 <wheals> ah, cbro is not up to date
18:53:08 <PleasingFungus> or am I...?
18:53:14 <Grunt> PrimordialFungus
18:53:15 <Grunt> hm
18:53:15 <Cheibriados> PrimordialFungus (13f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 40-66 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 3313(confuse) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 625 | Sp: drain life [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: plant.

18:53:15 <wheals> %??deathcap name:PrimordialFungus
18:53:19 <Grunt> wheals: hi...
18:53:24 <primordial> Can I add something to my rcfile in the meantime? mon_glyph += ghost : white W
18:53:25 <primordial> ?
18:53:25 <PleasingFungus> MEGA spooky
18:53:25 <wheals> (fr: ancient deathcaps???)
18:53:32 <wheals> primordial: nah, i'll rebuild it
18:53:34 <wheals> ??rebuild
18:53:34 <primordial> Black tile ghosts are oldschool
18:53:35 <Sequell> rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely.
18:53:54 <primordial> okay thanks
18:54:02 <wheals> should just take 45 minutes or so ;)
18:54:14 <wheals> probably under 5, really
18:54:31 <wheals> hm, maybe just under 10
18:54:54 <gammafunk> true story: mon_glyph += player ghost  defines work now
18:55:05 <PleasingFungus> nice
18:55:22 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: also you could make all ugly things red * no matter the colour
18:55:34 <gammafunk> so we've got that going for ourselves, which is nice
18:55:46 <PleasingFungus> ?
18:55:48 <Cheibriados> primordial lich (16L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 36 | HP: 123-164 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 3013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 13935 | Sp: airstrike (0-82), draining gaze, black mark, sum.horrible things | Sz: Medium | Int: high.

18:55:48 <theTower> %??ancient lich name:primordial_lich n_rpl perm_ench:might hd:36 spells:airstrike.20.wizard;draining_gaze.20.wizard;black_mark.20.wizard;summon_horrible_things.20.wizard
18:56:11 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: mon_glyph works by monster type, which ugly things only have one  value of
18:56:26 <gammafunk> so if you make a definition for one, all ugly things get it regardless of their internal colour
18:56:44 <gammafunk> it's just the display colour though, their behaviour will be normal, based on internal colour
18:57:16 <gammafunk> theTower: is that the zig lord
18:57:36 <PleasingFungus> well, I'd *hope* their behaviour would be normal!
18:57:37 <theTower> not nearly enough
18:58:22 <Grunt> imo update the randlich list if you're having these ideas
18:58:27 <Grunt> s/list/lists/
18:58:35 <Grunt> that goes for the rest of you too........
18:58:38 <gammafunk> but don't we need to give the player a level of control expected for roguelike gameplay?
18:58:52 <gammafunk> let them define the properties of any monster in their rc
18:58:52 <Grunt> !send gammafunk draconian ugly things
18:58:53 <Sequell> Sending draconian ugly things to gammafunk.
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18:59:11 <gammafunk> hp:1 perm_ench:slow
18:59:16 <gammafunk> hd:1
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18:59:25 <theTower> spells:fire_storm
18:59:39 <Cheibriados> Invalid spell slot format: 'firestorm' in 'firestorm'

18:59:39 <gammafunk> %??rat spells:firestorm
18:59:41 <gammafunk> oh right
18:59:49 <Cheibriados> Unknown spell name: 'firestorm' in 'firestorm.200.wizard'

18:59:49 <gammafunk> %??rat spells:firestorm.200.wizard
18:59:54 <Cheibriados> rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | spellcaster | XP: 1 | Sp: fire storm (8d1 / 8d2) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.

18:59:54 <theTower> %??rat spells:fire_storm.200.wizard
18:59:54 <Cheibriados> rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | spellcaster | XP: 1 | Sp: fire storm (8d1 / 8d2) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.

18:59:54 <gammafunk> %??rat spells:fire_storm.200.wizard
19:00:00 <gammafunk> heh
19:00:14 <Cheibriados> rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 2-8 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | spellcaster | XP: 1 | Sp: fire storm (8d2 / 8d3) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.

19:00:14 <gammafunk> %??rat spells:fire_storm.200.wizard hd:2
19:00:17 <gammafunk> huh
19:00:33 <PleasingFungus> he's a hairy wizard
19:00:37 <gammafunk> looks like the d:1 firestorm rat would be no joke son
19:00:49 <Cheibriados> fire vortex (05v) | Spd: 15 | HD: 10 | HP: 23-37 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 004(pure fire:15-24) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 283 | Sz: Large | Int: plant.

19:00:49 <theTower> %??fire vortex
19:01:00 <theTower> also probably a little painful
19:01:02 <gammafunk> yeah good point
19:01:30 <gammafunk> clearly glaciate rats then
19:01:38 <Cheibriados> rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 2-8 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | spellcaster | XP: 1 | Sp: glaciate (10-30) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.

19:01:38 <gammafunk> %??rat spells:glaciate.200.wizard hd:2
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19:01:46 <gammafunk> ouch
19:01:59 <Cheibriados> rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | spellcaster | XP: 1 | Sp: glaciate (10-24) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.

19:01:59 <gammafunk> %??rat spells:glaciate.200.wizard hd:1
19:02:10 <Cheibriados> test spawner (16X) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%; 07stationary) | HD: 1000 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 127/127 | 11non-living, amphibious, regen | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 07acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 1 | Sp: fire storm (8d751 / 8d750) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: plant.

19:02:10 <Grunt> %??test spawner spells:fire_storm.100.natural,glaciate.100.natural
19:02:21 <gammafunk> dang, that display
19:02:21 <Cheibriados> test spawner (16X) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%; 07stationary) | HD: 1000 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 127/127 | 11non-living, amphibious, regen | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 07acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire storm (8d751 / 8d750) [11!AM, 06!sil], glaciate (10-6018) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: plant.

19:02:21 <Grunt> %??test spawner spells:fire_storm.100.natural;glaciate.100.natural
19:02:25 <Grunt> much better
19:02:37 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1882-g6dea47a (34)
19:05:20 <primordial> theTower Primordial Lich? New monster? :P
19:06:19 <theTower> it's a reference to a crawl fork
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19:11:21 <primordial> Btw, my VpWn started with !lignification
19:11:22 <gammafunk> 4.1 liches, very powerful
19:11:25 <primordial> that's a bug, right?
19:12:00 <Zannick> ?? lignification
19:12:01 <Sequell> potion of lignification[1/2]: Replaces potions of slowing, causes temporary uncancellable {tree form}.
19:12:07 <Zannick> ?? lignification[2]
19:12:08 <theTower> 4.1 liches are powerful by virtue of having a unique in lair
19:12:08 <Sequell> tree form[1/4]: Immobile form with -Tele, +50% HP, 20 + XL/2 AC, minimal EV, rN+++, rPois, and torment immunity. Unlike statue form, tree form does NOT give rot or poison immunity.
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19:13:31 <primordial> Vampires can't use it, unless it's hunger status dependent
19:13:37 <primordial> and I just wasn't full enough
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19:14:27 <wheals> pretty sure it is
19:14:53 <primordial> so vp can transform at high hunger statuses?
19:15:10 <primordial> good to know
19:15:15 <wheals> yeah, vptm is allowed for example
19:15:21 <primordial> ah okay
19:15:38 <primordial> I started with !lig, !rage and a dagger. pretty terrible start for vp
19:15:45 <primordial> I can't even use the potions at the start haha
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19:24:58 <ontoclasm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/mosaictest.png
19:25:06 <ontoclasm> wip of course
19:25:25 <nicolae-> i like it
19:26:07 <theTower> makes me think of snake
19:26:49 <nicolae-> ditto
19:27:05 <Grunt> wip
19:27:06 <Grunt> ?
19:27:06 <Grunt> rip
19:27:07 <ontoclasm> yeah, it's for snake
19:27:20 <nicolae-> work in progress
19:28:23 <Zannick> snake in progress
19:28:46 <theTower> work unwinding
19:29:21 <Bloaxor> needs a bit of doom marble shininess
19:29:30 <Bloaxor> otherwise looking gud
19:29:41 <ontoclasm> yes, it's not shaded at all
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19:30:26 <Bloaxor> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/CthulhuWall2.png unfortunately the only example i have lying around
19:30:33 <Grunt> yes nicolae- I know what a wip is
19:30:37 <Grunt> rip...
19:30:56 <nicolae-> are you sure grunt
19:30:58 <nicolae-> are you sure
19:31:01 <nicolae-> did you check everywhere
19:32:09 <ontoclasm> do you like the broken-up curves on the right, or the flat ones on the left?
19:32:22 <ontoclasm> (i tried masaicing them too but they look dumb
19:32:27 <ontoclasm> mosaicing*
19:33:02 <nicolae-> what do you mean, ontoclasm
19:33:22 <ontoclasm> the curvy bits on the right-hand side are broken into blocks
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19:33:40 <Bloaxor> reminds me of some warcraft 3 textures
19:33:44 <Bloaxor> which is a good thing
19:33:53 <Bloaxor> so the right side is a good side
19:33:56 <nicolae-> ah, so there are
19:34:04 <nicolae-> i didn't notice at first
19:34:10 <ontoclasm> yeah, it's sort of hard to see
19:34:21 <ontoclasm> it's supposed to be just subtle detailing
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19:38:32 <Bloaxor> gnight
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20:02:02 <PleasingFungus> I think left or right could look good; I don't have a strong preference
20:02:15 <PleasingFungus> that's @ ontoclasm
20:02:19 <ontoclasm> mm
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20:03:28 <PleasingFungus> I give EXTREMELY helpful advice.
20:03:33 <ontoclasm> hah
20:03:41 <PleasingFungus> fwiw I think the right side *currently* looks better but the left could be just as good once shading is added
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20:04:28 <ontoclasm> well, have a look at this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/mosaictest2.png
20:04:49 <PleasingFungus> !tell theTower " Spellbinder is a neat gimmick but it's also horrible, unless you like summoning hostile shadow fiends on yourself and hitting yourself with Tornado." <- is this actually how spellbinder works, or is lessens confused?
20:04:50 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let thetower know.
20:05:09 <PleasingFungus> ontoclasm: def right
20:05:12 <minmay> PleasingFungus: I'm not sure it can summon hostile shadow fiends but it certainly tornadoes you
20:05:21 <minmay> ??spellbinder[2
20:05:22 <Sequell> spellbinder[2/3]: !lg minmay 2940 -tv:<T116000:>T116100
20:05:23 <PleasingFungus> oh wait that's not left-right split
20:05:27 <PleasingFungus> minmay: nice.
20:05:33 <ontoclasm> no, that's all the same
20:05:46 <ontoclasm> i don't like the straight portion
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20:05:49 <PleasingFungus> I don't really like the simple dark bits
20:05:51 <PleasingFungus> ya
20:05:53 <PleasingFungus> in the straight portion
20:05:54 <minmay> it also makes explosions on you a lot
20:07:09 <Grunt> Reminds me of that whirlwind axe design with a radius 1 tornado effect that also occasionally summoned twisters.
20:07:20 <Grunt> ...kills everything until you get a twister, wherein it kills you
20:07:24 <PleasingFungus> rip
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20:07:34 <Grunt> yeah rip...
20:08:10 <nicolae-> it killed PleasingFungus
20:09:15 <theTower> !tell pleasingfungus completely off for shadow fiends, spellbinder will give you _friendly_ versions if applicable as such
20:09:16 <Sequell> theTower: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
20:09:45 <theTower> the trick is to use it for demonologists and then tell the fiends to attack the other deep elves.
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20:10:32 <theTower> or greaters or probably a bunch of other top things that don't have fire / ice / air / earth spells
20:11:03 <theTower> or conjurations
20:11:08 <theTower> bit of a narrow list
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20:13:45 <Grunt> !lg  * vmsg~~Spellbinder
20:13:47 <Sequell> 4. Zig the Eclecticist (L21 GrVM of Okawaru), killed by the demon whip "Spellbinder" on Vaults:3 (hangedman_vaults_stitches) on 2014-11-01 00:14:20, with 289225 points after 55756 turns and 2:25:47.
20:13:53 <Grunt> !lg  * vmsg~~Spellbinder -tv
20:13:55 <Sequell> 4. Zig, XL21 GrVM, T:55756 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org).
20:13:56 <theTower> unborn, vampire kni
20:13:57 <theTower> what
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20:14:40 <theTower> oh, the vaults guys are a strong target too
20:15:19 <theTower> oh
20:15:21 <theTower> hahaha
20:16:00 <gammafunk> it's kind of annoying (very annoying) to have a weapon that's so conditionally dangerous though
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20:16:25 <gammafunk> I guess it can be a specialty weapon, but most things it'd be good on die just fine to ordinary good weapons
20:16:26 <theTower> yeah, people probably don't want to be super picky and memorize the list of "safe" targets
20:16:49 <theTower> it could probably really help if conjurations miscasts weren't so readily damage damage more damage >_>
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20:17:33 <ontoclasm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/mosaictest3.png
20:17:35 <ontoclasm> any better?
20:17:56 <gammafunk> looks cool
20:17:56 <nicolae-> yeah
20:18:03 <nicolae-> one of the tiles on the middle left or so is missing a gap
20:18:10 <Lightli> miscast fireball
20:18:28 <ontoclasm> aha, wow, nice catch
20:19:21 <nicolae-> i like it otherwise though
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20:26:17 <minmay> personally I think the problem with spellbinder (and stuff that causes miscasts in general) is that there are a million different miscasts and you'll never know what all of them do without spoilers
20:27:05 <theTower> higher targets that won't explode on you: de demonologist, unborn, vampire knight, gob, gooe, greater mummy, executioner, tormentor, shadow demon, soul eater, curse skull / toe, murray, sphinx, dr shifter, rupert, kirke, mnoleg, khufu, asterion, vaults dudes, satyr, sharpshooters / vashnia, ocs / obsidian, anubis guards
20:27:22 <theTower> wait anubises are priestly / natural nevermind
20:27:41 <theTower> and yes, I have not exactly helped in that regard
20:27:49 <minmay> well, an unspoiled player won't know that list
20:28:08 <theTower> indeed, I was just curious as to how large that list was
20:28:30 <theTower> it's probably not too miserable for scythe of curses or plutonium sword, at least, through brief experience
20:28:45 <minmay> those are a bit better since they only cause a tiny subset of miscasts, yes
20:28:54 <gammafunk> fr: spell species, a playable species that represents of the concept of "spell"
20:28:54 <minmay> and they don't include making an explosion or tornado on top of you
20:28:58 <gammafunk> has a miscast ability
20:29:11 <gammafunk> s/of //
20:29:31 <minmay> also plutonium sword and scythe of curses do the same stuff to every monster you hit with them
20:29:43 <minmay> whereas spellbinder does something different to every spellbook in the game
20:29:44 <theTower> also true
20:30:14 <nicolae-> maybe miscasts can be further tweaked so that they don't affect anything but the miscaster
20:30:29 <theTower> thinking things over, the only school that would really support another scythe of curses rip-off is enchantments
20:30:31 <nicolae-> so you don't have to worry about tornading yourself with spellbinder
20:30:52 <|amethyst> nicolae-:  no more offensive glowsplosions?
20:31:09 <nicolae-> rip
20:31:13 <theTower> the four elements and conjurations pretty much rely on explosion being seperate from individual damage to even have much variety though >_>
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20:34:21 <gammafunk> ??cxc
20:34:21 <Sequell> cXc[1/2]: Server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM
20:35:32 <minmay> ??mdae
20:35:33 <Sequell> mdae ~ mda ~ mottled dragon armour[1/1]: 6AC, 5ER, rNapalm. Can be created by enchanting a mottled dragon hide.
20:35:38 <minmay> oh someone finally deleted that, good
20:35:53 <theTower> re-theming barbs, re-theming horror, adding powder... still leaves twister, the two ice explosions, one conjurations explosion
20:36:07 <theTower> am shrugging
20:36:49 <theTower> (and, yes, some effects could just be cut, of course)
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20:38:50 <theTower> (...and powder is an explosive effect anyway >_>)
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20:40:43 <primordial> I still get blacktile ghost on CBRO
20:41:25 <|amethyst> &versions
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20:41:30 <|amethyst> &version
20:41:37 <Sequell> *: 0.16-a0-1887-g83119a4
20:41:37 <Sequell> CAO: 0.16-a0-1871-g44f7412, CBRO: 0.16-a0-1882-g6dea47a, CDO: 0.16-a0-1714-g3438503, CKR: 0.16-a0-1887-g83119a4, CLAN: 0.16-a0-1320-gb5a7ef2, CSZO: 0.16-a0-1882-g6dea47a
20:41:57 <|amethyst> oh
20:42:11 <|amethyst> I think that didn't fix existing ghosts?
20:42:17 <Grunt> r i p
20:42:20 <|amethyst> did you just enter the level?
20:42:26 <|amethyst> or had you been here before?
20:43:30 <theTower> I wonder if an unrand that inflicts anchor would be any interesting
20:43:32 <gammafunk> !lm primordial s=tiles
20:43:33 <Sequell> 207 milestones for primordial: 207x false
20:43:38 <gammafunk> !lm primordial x=tiles
20:43:39 <Sequell> 207. [2014-11-05 02:32:32] [tiles=false] primordial the Nimble (L8 VpWn of Kikubaaqudgha) became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha on turn 10932. (Temple)
20:43:41 <theTower> pile of things that translocate
20:43:47 <gammafunk> is it a black player ghost?
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20:45:32 <gammafunk> !function ghost_demon_init
20:45:33 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l4770
20:46:51 <primordial> Yes
20:46:56 <primordial> black tile player ghost
20:47:02 <primordial> I updated my save also
20:47:24 <gammafunk> that code should probably just set it to COLOUR_INHERIT
20:47:50 <gammafunk> primordial: if the ghost was generated pre-upgrade, it wouldn'tget fixed
20:48:02 <primordial> oh okay
20:48:30 <simmarine> theTower: i heard caustic beewaspbirds arent in zigs yet...
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20:49:54 <theTower> well, I have to double back, since the obvious placement of wasps in spider doesn't work with birds
20:50:26 <minmay> maybe the birds are there to eat the spiders
20:50:41 <theTower> the great circle of life
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20:50:54 <theTower> if anything, a brief look does say that shrikes can live in swamps...
20:51:37 <gammafunk> theTower: oh if you're poking around there, could you maybe increase restorab pots in zigs?
20:52:27 <theTower> sure, a little
20:52:43 <gammafunk> yeah not a lot or anything
20:53:35 <nicolae-> all loot in zigs now replaced by restorab potions
20:53:55 <theTower> all loot in zigs now replaced by restorab potion mimics
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20:55:12 <nicolae-> all loot replaced by entrances to other zigs
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20:55:18 <nicolae-> fractal infinitely-recursive zigs
20:56:12 <theTower> all loot in zigs now replaced by ziggurat figurines
20:56:31 <nicolae-> all loot in zigs replaced by the player
20:56:40 <theTower> just corpses of the player
20:56:43 <nicolae-> you are the ziggurat and you're fighting inside yourself
20:56:44 <theTower> staring at you
20:57:06 <nicolae-> it shouldn't be too hard to make an entrance vault where the player enters surrounded by corpses of their own species and name, should it
20:57:32 <theTower> actually I was going to do something of that nature with a demon pit entrance
20:57:48 <nicolae-> that works
20:58:00 <nicolae-> but i do like ensuring that the memento mori is the first thing a player sees
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20:58:17 <theTower> the lua is nasty though, so I haven't finished it
20:58:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  COLOUR_INHERIT there would make pan lords black
20:58:53 <gammafunk> |amethyst: no I mean for player ghosts
20:59:03 <nicolae-> what makes it so nasty, wouldn't it just be a lua call to get the name, a lua call to get the species and then stick them into the corpse defi...ooooh right, never_decay
20:59:07 <gammafunk> they should set that colour in their ghost init function thingy
20:59:15 <gammafunk> yeah that check should still be there
20:59:16 <theTower> actually, no, it's not just corpses
20:59:20 <theTower> is the thing
20:59:28 <nicolae-> go on
21:00:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  the monster->colour is already COLOUR_INHERIT (it was set to that in reset())
21:01:36 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  and ghost_demon's colour can't be COLOUR_INHERIT because it's a colour_t
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21:01:46 <gammafunk> ah right, ok
21:02:19 <theTower> http://pastebin.com/miqJ0krS
21:03:04 <gammafunk> the whole thing is a little wonky, with ghosts anyhow, but what can you do
21:03:36 <gammafunk> before it was set in the ghost player ghost init function which is probably why I thought that
21:03:50 <|amethyst> theTower:  I don't think you want those leading ..s
21:03:53 <nicolae-> oh, damn
21:03:58 <gammafunk> but it was hard coded (with a comment that mentioned it matched mon-data.h)
21:04:08 <theTower> I wish I had a better pair than trying to say death yaks are goats
21:04:11 <|amethyst> theTower:  dgn.create_monster(b.x, b.y, .. placement[1] ..    should be  dgn.create_monster(b.x, b.y, placement[1] ..
21:04:56 <theTower> and anacondas are very plain in comparsion
21:05:09 <theTower> thanks
21:05:11 <gammafunk> acutally as I think about it, probably no reason for ghost.colour to be unsigned, not that it matters much
21:05:58 <gammafunk> it's weird going from unsigned -> signed -> signed -> unsigned for actual display
21:06:01 <theTower> and minotaur to hungry ghost is very dull
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21:09:01 <theTower> nicolae-: any ideas on those clearly key fronts
21:09:08 <ontoclasm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/mosaictest4.png
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21:10:26 <ontoclasm> theTower: player goats
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21:10:33 <nicolae-> hmmm, you're matching up player species with "worse" versions of themselves, i take it?
21:10:41 <nicolae-> or something opposed to them thematically
21:10:43 <nicolae-> or both?
21:10:51 <theTower> yes
21:10:56 <theTower> to the both
21:11:34 <nicolae-> well, if minotaurs like mazes, they'd probably hate deep troll earth elementalists
21:12:09 <nicolae-> ontoclasm: the colorizing of the mini-tiles in between the snakey tiles kind of distracts from the overall look, imo
21:12:33 <ontoclasm> too contrasty?
21:12:36 <nicolae-> the green palette in mosiactest3 was nice
21:12:38 <nicolae-> kinda, yeah
21:12:47 <nicolae-> it's kind of muddly
21:14:02 <nicolae-> or, re: minotaur opposite, you could do a few centaur warriors, since a centaur is basically a reverse minotaur
21:14:14 <theTower> heh
21:15:02 <|amethyst> nicolae-:  horse, cow, what's the difference anyway?
21:15:14 <|amethyst> nicolae-:  now, yaktaurs...
21:15:19 <nicolae-> there is none, it's all a lie by Big Farmer
21:15:36 <ontoclasm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/mosaictest5.png maybe?
21:15:48 <ontoclasm> or still too much?
21:16:52 <nicolae-> better but a bit too much, like i said i think the straight green palette for the in-between spaces looked nicest
21:17:01 <ontoclasm> mm
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21:18:38 <chequers> ??cpo
21:18:38 <Sequell> cpo[1/1]: Open beta server (as of 2014/11) in Sydney. Webtiles: http://crawl.project357.org/ SSH: crawl@crawl.project357.org (pw joshua or key available via webtiles). Operated by chequers.
21:18:49 <chequers> !learn cpo edit s/http/https/
21:18:50 <Sequell> I don't know about !learn cpo.
21:19:03 <chequers> !learn edit cpo s/http/https/
21:19:03 <Sequell> cpo[1/1]: Open beta server (as of 2014/11) in Sydney. Webtiles: https://crawl.project357.org/ SSH: crawl@crawl.project357.org (pw joshua or key available via webtiles). Operated by chequers.
21:19:12 <primordial> Is cpo covered by webpage scoring now?
21:19:14 <ontoclasm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/mosaictest6.png
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21:19:24 <primordial> cao webpage scoring
21:19:33 <|amethyst> no
21:19:51 <|amethyst> nor sequell unless that changed very recently
21:19:56 <|amethyst> !lg * x=src
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21:19:58 <Sequell> 3734939. [src=cszo] cycnet the Nimble (L9 DrBe of Trog), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:8 on 2014-11-05 03:18:51, with 2656 points after 6636 turns and 0:56:24.
21:20:01 <|amethyst> !lg * s=src
21:20:03 <chequers> primordial: yes
21:20:05 <Sequell> 3734939 games for *: 1602035x cao, 966263x cdo, 807804x cszo, 145280x clan, 143983x ckr, 27897x cbro, 24437x rhf, 9527x csn, 7319x lld, 262x cxc, 132x cpo
21:20:08 <|amethyst> oh
21:20:11 <|amethyst> they are now
21:20:16 <primordial> cool
21:20:16 <chequers> about ~24hrs
21:20:18 <|amethyst> chequers:  what are the URLs
21:20:26 <chequers> i'll drop out of "beta" later this week
21:20:29 <chequers> |amethyst: /morgue
21:20:50 <|amethyst> chequers: milestones and logfiles I mean
21:20:58 <primordial> I'm not sure why my ping is higher to cpo than cbro considering i'm 3x as far from USA as AUS
21:21:21 <primordial> mystery of the interwebs
21:21:22 <nicolae-> koalas sitting on the internet cables again, i bet
21:21:53 <chequers> primordial: internet from your country usually connects to the internet in california
21:21:58 <chequers> sydney is ~200ms from california
21:22:06 <primordial> heh, that sucks
21:22:14 <gammafunk> seems a short enough trip, I should visit!
21:22:24 <_miek> where are you from primordial?
21:22:28 <chequers> i'll put out the sofa bed
21:22:42 <chequers> |amethyst: https://crawl.project357.org/dcss-milestones-trunk
21:22:55 <chequers> and similar for logfile / 0.15
21:22:55 <primordial> I'm actually from California but i'm in Manila
21:23:00 <_miek> ah...
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21:27:43 <|amethyst> chequers:  is ssh broken right now?
21:28:06 <|amethyst> chequers:  oh, it's my terminal
21:28:19 <chequers> case closed
21:29:40 <|amethyst> chequers:  you might want to install the full ncurses/terminfo terminal definition set into your chroot
21:30:12 <|amethyst> chequers: so people with weird values of $TERM like gnome-256color can log in without having to change that :)
21:31:24 <chequers> good idea
21:31:31 <chequers> i should just trash the chroot :P
21:31:41 <chequers> well, that's probably not a good idea
21:31:42 <|amethyst> chequers:  hm   ERROR: The certificate of `crawl.project357.org' is not trusted.
21:31:57 <chequers> which browser? I didn't install intermediates because my chrome didn't seem to care
21:32:22 <|amethyst> wget
21:32:25 <gammafunk> haha
21:32:33 <gammafunk> that's how |amethyst browses the internet btw
21:32:34 <|amethyst> but Firefox would probably also give an error
21:32:38 <|amethyst> at least some versions
21:32:42 <chequers> lol
21:32:46 <gammafunk> just | to more
21:32:50 <gammafunk> and reads the html himself
21:32:57 <chequers> sounds like richard stallman
21:33:03 <|amethyst> nah, I use gopher
21:33:12 <|amethyst> and archie
21:33:21 <chequers> |amethyst: --no-check-certificate btw
21:34:24 <|amethyst> I know, but I don't want to do that in the score-fetching scripts
21:34:47 <|amethyst> if you don't care about people checking the certificate you shouldn't force https :)
21:35:05 <chequers> heh
21:35:17 <|amethyst> let me see how difficult it will be to add an exception for this site
21:35:21 <|amethyst> or
21:35:25 <chequers> I originally set up https just so people with websocket-noncompliant proxies could play
21:35:32 <chequers> nah, i'll install the bundle, and see if that fixes it for you
21:35:43 <|amethyst> I guess I could just get your cert and install it on CAO
21:38:02 <|amethyst> ok, installed your cert
21:38:17 <|amethyst> you should still fix that for picky browsers, but I can do scores now
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21:42:54 <|amethyst> !hs cpo
21:42:54 <Sequell> No games for cpo.
21:42:56 <|amethyst> !hs * cpo
21:42:57 <Sequell> 132. chequers the Invulnerable (L27 GrFi of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-11-03 09:53:15, with 10610783 points after 160216 turns and 15:11:27.
21:44:17 <chequers> second win :)
21:44:32 <Grunt> sounds like you have a
21:44:32 <Grunt> checkered past
21:44:41 <nicolae-> hm, is there any way to specify the name of a randbook completely, without having "the Catalogue of" in front of it
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21:44:55 <Grunt> by convincing PleasingFungus to implement it
21:45:00 <Grunt> or we shall remove him
21:45:02 <PleasingFungus> ! ? ! ?
21:45:03 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
21:45:06 <nicolae-> i can do that
21:45:24 <nicolae-> *touches jumper cable attachments together to make a spark*
21:45:34 <Grunt> yes, give him the spark of inspiration
21:45:35 <Grunt> !!!!!!
21:45:47 <nicolae-> PleasingFungus:
21:45:50 <nicolae-> hm, is there any way to specify the name of a randbook completely, without having "the Catalogue of" in front of it
21:47:26 <nicolae-> if not that's fine, i'd probably abuse the power anyway, except replace probably with definitely
21:47:40 <chequers> |amethyst: should be correct now
21:47:54 <Grunt> nicolae-: book_noun is always prepended if you are specifying a title, it looks like
21:48:06 <Grunt> !source spl-book.cc:2173
21:48:06 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-book.cc;hb=HEAD#l2173
21:48:44 <nicolae-> *shakes fist in some direction*
21:49:13 <|amethyst> chequers:  hm, still says "hasn't got a known issuer." here
21:49:14 <bh> !abyss grunt
21:49:15 <Sequell> bh casts a spell. grunt is devoured by a tear in reality!
21:49:29 <PleasingFungus> hm. once chequers gets his stuff all into scoring, I'll add him to the servers page and then make a post.
21:49:41 <chequers> |amethyst: you may not have the ca root in wget's store
21:49:43 <chequers> AddTrust External CA Root
21:49:43 <chequers> SHA1: 02faf3e291435468607857694df5e45b68851868
21:49:45 <Grunt> !firestorm bh
21:49:45 <Sequell> Grunt points at bh and mumbles some strange words. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs bh!
21:49:45 <PleasingFungus> ckr, lld, cxo?, cpo
21:49:49 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: cXc
21:49:51 <nicolae-> mlo
21:49:55 <PleasingFungus> close enough!
21:50:05 <Grunt> THAT IS NOT CLOSE ENOUGH, PUNY SNACK.
21:50:07 <chequers> |amethyst: i present the full chain now, ref http://docbert.org/cgi-bin/ssl.cgi?host=crawl.project357.org&type=web
21:50:12 <chequers> PleasingFungus:
21:50:14 <chequers> !hs .
21:50:14 <Sequell> 284. chequers the Invulnerable (L27 GrFi of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-11-03 09:53:15, with 10610783 points after 160216 turns and 15:11:27.
21:50:19 <chequers> ^ cpo game
21:50:24 <theTower> nerf zin more obviously
21:50:25 <PleasingFungus> !
21:50:27 <Grunt> !
21:50:30 <PleasingFungus> !lg chequers x=src
21:50:31 <Sequell> 284. [src=cpo] chequers the Grappler (L7 TrCK of Xom), engulfed by a cloud of freezing vapour on D:5 (lemuel_ice_spiral_2) on 2014-11-04 09:45:02, with 912 points after 3441 turns and 0:06:42.
21:50:34 <PleasingFungus> mm
21:50:38 <PleasingFungus> ok, let's see
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21:51:06 <bh> !seen edlothiol
21:51:06 <Sequell> I last saw edlothiol at Wed Nov  5 00:39:17 2014 UTC (3h 11m 49s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1'.
21:51:12 <chequers> please note it will be in beta for a few more weeks
21:51:14 <Grunt> d a n g
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21:51:28 <PleasingFungus> should I hold off on announcing it?
21:51:28 <bh> so dev, let's make a deal. If someone switches our makefile over to c++11, I'll rewrite the RNG again
21:51:43 <chequers> specifically because it's on a low-cpu server right now, and I'm planning to incrementally bump the instance size as required to keep my costs low
21:51:59 <chequers> I don't mind if you announce now or in a few weeks
21:52:09 <chequers> just that there are some non-release-blocker kinks
21:53:12 <PleasingFungus> ??cpo
21:53:13 <Sequell> cpo[1/1]: Open beta server (as of 2014/11) in Sydney. Webtiles: https://crawl.project357.org/ SSH: crawl@crawl.project357.org (pw joshua or key available via webtiles). Operated by chequers.
21:53:28 <bh> ??joshua
21:53:28 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled joshua in my learndb.
21:54:43 <ontoclasm> okay, here's how it looks in-game: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/mosaictest7.png
21:54:57 <nicolae-> oooo
21:54:57 <ontoclasm> doesn't match the walls
21:55:13 <ontoclasm> and needs to be darker, but still
21:55:40 <nicolae-> yeah it does stand out from the walls but on its own i like it. it's very snakey.
21:55:54 <bh> ontoclasm: how'd you do that?
21:56:03 <ontoclasm> do what?
21:56:09 <ontoclasm> make it form curves?
21:56:12 <bh> mhmm
21:56:42 <bh> oh, they're all off-centre from what my brain assumes
21:56:47 <ontoclasm> yeah
21:56:53 <nicolae-> well first you need five black candles, a pentagram, a pretty good knowledge of latin, a ritual knife, and a goat you're not particularly attached to,
21:57:12 <ontoclasm> each tile has two "intersections" and half the intersections are not actually intersections
21:57:20 <PleasingFungus> hm. I wonder if you could make them blend in better with the walls just by shifting them more toward yellow
21:57:29 <ontoclasm> nicolae-: sssshh tile magic is not for the uninitiated
21:57:44 <bh> ontoclasm: I look forward to enabling you to do cooler stuff with dominoes
21:57:44 <ontoclasm> PleasingFungus: maybe
21:57:55 <nicolae-> what are dominoes
21:57:59 <nicolae-> i mean, re: crawl
21:58:09 <bh> nicolae-: the thing I've been talking about for a few weeks
21:58:23 <nicolae-> i haven't been in here when you've been talking about it, apparently
21:58:28 <bh> wang tiles
21:58:45 <nicolae-> i know what those are
21:58:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  scoring is running now (regenerating player pages; it always regens all pages the first time after restart to prime the cache, and that takes a while)
21:59:06 <bh> calling them dominoes draws fewer giggles
21:59:24 <nicolae-> ah
21:59:32 <nicolae-> what is the purpose of implementing wang tiles
21:59:51 <bh> nicolae-: to let ontoclasm make some really cool tiles
21:59:53 <Grunt> hey bh
21:59:56 <Grunt> http://sprunge.us/aYdG
21:59:59 <bh> and vault placement
22:00:07 <nicolae-> i'm not sure i follow
22:00:11 <Grunt> This might be the wrong approach to take, but........?
22:00:16 <|amethyst> nicolae-:  so that not all edges in a set of tiles have to match up with all other edges
22:00:24 <bh> Grunt: no clue. I don't understand our makefile
22:00:34 <Grunt> (in particular you'd want to check if you get an error from specifying that option I think)
22:01:09 <ontoclasm> bh: i was actually inspired by remembering this: http://celticmythpodshow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/pic-2.jpg from seeing it like 10 years ago
22:01:11 <Grunt> I am lucky it is the same syntax between gcc and clang
22:01:13 <Grunt> clang??
22:01:13 <Sequell> clang
22:01:17 <PleasingFungus> hm. is cbro recent enough to list in this post?
22:01:30 <nicolae-> |amethyst: oh, whoa, neat
22:01:32 <|amethyst> !lm * cbro 1
22:01:36 <Sequell> 1/176308. [2014-01-04 01:18:34] johnstein the Chucker (L3 OgAM) killed Jessica on turn 1122. (D:2)
22:01:37 <bh> ontoclasm: is that a boardgame?
22:01:58 <ontoclasm> yeah
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22:02:09 <PleasingFungus> it is 2014
22:02:12 <PleasingFungus> !lm * ckr 1
22:02:12 <|amethyst> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Carcassonne-board.jpg
22:02:15 <Sequell> 1/537071. [2013-11-06 07:18:46] IronSoup the Brawler (L15 TrHu of Cheibriados) entered the Orcish Mines on turn 18242. (D:6)
22:02:25 <PleasingFungus> dang, older than I'd realized
22:02:26 <PleasingFungus> hm
22:02:30 <PleasingFungus> I will list both.
22:02:49 <ontoclasm> yeah, carcassonne too
22:02:51 <bh> also, we can write some pretty straight forward level generators that use wang tiles
22:02:56 <|amethyst> CKR was around for some time before it was official
22:03:38 <PleasingFungus> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/new-servers
22:04:17 <PleasingFungus> hm. |amethyst, if someone nags us, can we fix a specific weapon brand in their game?
22:04:20 <PleasingFungus> after the holy wrath thing
22:04:26 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: it isn't CXO!!!!!
22:04:34 <chequers> PleasingFungus: the cxc link is broken
22:04:47 <PleasingFungus> Grunt: fixed
22:04:48 <PleasingFungus> chequers: hm
22:05:10 <johnstein> oh cool. I have the first CBRO milestone. as it should be
22:05:17 <PleasingFungus> ??is cxc down
22:05:18 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled is_cxc_down in my learndb.
22:05:23 <PleasingFungus> q??is cdo down
22:05:24 <Sequell> is cdo down[1/1]: do {!isonline cdo}
22:05:26 <johnstein> !lg * cbro won 1
22:05:29 <Sequell> 1/430. Change the Farming Annihilator (L27 FeCj of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-01-18 06:34:23, with 8225387 points after 213543 turns and 1d+6:33:48.
22:05:32 <|amethyst> server's up but not webtiles
22:05:37 <|amethyst> !lm * cxc
22:05:38 <Sequell> 1965. [2014-11-05 01:54:57] Turgon the Fighter (L14 DsFi of Ashenzari) left the Elven Halls on turn 9080. (Elf:1)
22:05:38 <|amethyst> !lm * cxc tiles
22:05:39 <PleasingFungus> !learn add is_cxc_down do {!isonline cxc}
22:05:39 <Sequell> 1613. [2014-11-05 01:54:57] Turgon the Fighter (L14 DsFi of Ashenzari) left the Elven Halls on turn 9080. (Elf:1)
22:05:39 <Sequell> is cxc down[1/1]: do {!isonline cxc}
22:05:43 <PleasingFungus> ??is cxc down
22:05:44 <Sequell> 2 hours, 10 minutes, 46 seconds since last activity (cxc)
22:05:54 <PleasingFungus> someone should probably fix that
22:05:59 <chequers> !isonline cpo
22:06:00 <Sequell> 1 hours, 28 minutes, 17 seconds since last activity (cpo)
22:06:12 <chequers> oh, that checks last milestone time?
22:06:15 <chequers> !isonline cao
22:06:17 <Sequell> 23 seconds since last activity (cao)
22:06:18 <|amethyst> !isonline cxc
22:06:19 <Sequell> 12 seconds since last activity (cxc)
22:06:24 <|amethyst> !isonline cpo
22:06:25 <Sequell> 1 hours, 28 minutes, 42 seconds since last activity (cpo)
22:06:33 <|amethyst> yeah
22:06:43 <|amethyst> yeah
22:06:45 <|amethyst> err
22:06:46 <|amethyst> !isonline cpo
22:06:47 <Sequell> 1 hours, 29 minutes, 4 seconds since last activity (cpo)
22:06:49 <|amethyst> hm
22:07:00 <|amethyst> I just started a game, that should be a milestone
22:07:09 <|amethyst> !isonline cpo
22:07:10 <Sequell> 1 hours, 29 minutes, 26 seconds since last activity (cpo)
22:07:13 <chequers> oh.
22:07:16 <|amethyst> !lm * cpo x=cv
22:07:17 <Sequell> 718. [2014-11-05 02:37:43] [cv=0.16-a] Frogmyte the End of an Era (L19 HEAE of Qazlal) reached level 5 of the Vaults on turn 47731. (Vaults:5)
22:07:19 <chequers> i think sequell is failing the ssl redirect
22:07:21 <|amethyst> !lm * cpo s=cv
22:07:22 <Sequell> 718 milestones for * (cpo): 714x 0.16-a, 4x 0.15
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22:07:35 <chequers> greensnark: can you update the URLs for crawl.project357.com to use HTTPS?
22:08:56 <|amethyst> Medar:  cxc webtiles seems to be down?
22:09:13 <Grunt> r i p
22:11:41 <|amethyst> so we have eight servers running at the moment?
22:11:59 <|amethyst> and one that is expected back soonish
22:12:16 <PleasingFungus> need eighteen more
22:12:22 <|amethyst> was two not that long ago :)
22:12:23 <PleasingFungus> ...but nine is good too.
22:12:26 <PleasingFungus> :p
22:13:02 <gammafunk> even one live new webtiles server now
22:13:52 <PleasingFungus> hm. did we end up fixing the mystery trace-less crash bug?
22:14:01 <chequers> need a little worldmap with all the servers
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22:16:05 <theTower> needs to be in asciii
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22:18:37 <PleasingFungus> I'd prefer some kind of really cute 16-bit map
22:18:42 <PleasingFungus> with like
22:18:51 <PleasingFungus> some dragons and hydras and stuff lurking in the corners
22:19:04 <PleasingFungus> ...the sun hovers above, but actually it's an orb of fire
22:19:43 <Grunt> here there be dragons
22:20:18 <bh> PleasingFungus: http://oryxdesignlab.com/
22:20:32 <PleasingFungus> ! ! !
22:20:35 <PleasingFungus> wait, oryx
22:20:38 <PleasingFungus> that sounds familiar
22:21:11 <bh> Realm of the Mad God?
22:21:25 <johnstein> |amethyst: still planning on setting up a server architecture team?
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22:22:30 <johnstein> or maybe even a server admin mailing list or room so we can stay synced up if needed. I bet there's updates I may want to consider that you smart guys are already doing
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22:23:41 <PleasingFungus> ah, that would be it, yeah
22:23:48 <PleasingFungus> sort of
22:24:13 <PleasingFungus> realm of the mad god's sprites came from a tigsource contest in which artists made a bunch of stuff, and then programmers used it to make games (independently)
22:24:22 <PleasingFungus> a *ton* of games used those sprites in particular
22:24:25 <PleasingFungus> (because they were good!)
22:24:27 <simmarine> yes
22:24:35 <PleasingFungus> man, I kinda miss tigsource
22:24:44 <PleasingFungus> unrelated question: can randart names be prefixes?
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22:25:08 <PleasingFungus> hm, I guess that wouldn't make any sense.
22:25:10 <PleasingFungus> hm.
22:25:28 <chequers> https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zksFfl-RlT3s.kT39EmPWmsKA
22:26:05 <chequers> you could probably embed that somehow
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22:28:48 <PleasingFungus> neat!
22:29:38 <PleasingFungus> FUCK
22:29:44 <PleasingFungus> I could have named this commit "remove pirates"
22:29:45 <PleasingFungus> and I didn't :(
22:29:52 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1883-gabd4d49: Add a few randart weapon name components 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=abd4d491d322
22:31:04 <bh> PleasingFungus: go to your room and think about what you've done :(
22:31:47 <PleasingFungus> dpeg was right.
22:31:49 <PleasingFungus> pirates... are bad.
22:32:51 <PleasingFungus> also people are trying to get me to bring back "of the Doge"
22:32:56 <PleasingFungus> as an artefact armour name
22:33:12 <nicolae-> of the Doug
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22:33:47 <bh> PleasingFungus: wow, such Venetian!
22:33:58 <PleasingFungus> ya
22:34:05 <theTower> no Astonishment or Surprise, really
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22:34:37 <theTower> would be good under killer_name
22:34:41 <ontoclasm> i thought we had a finnish server
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22:35:01 <PleasingFungus> we did
22:35:03 <PleasingFungus> it died
22:35:04 <PleasingFungus> a while ago
22:35:06 <ontoclasm> ah
22:35:12 <nonethousand> When bots announce a Ru "sacrifice" milestone the sentence is not punctuated. Should I mantis this or is this a bug with the bots
22:35:36 <Grunt> nonethousand: imo tell Lasty
22:35:43 <nonethousand> Grunt: I did
22:35:57 <Grunt> Lasty: imo fix it :)
22:36:16 <PleasingFungus> oh
22:36:19 <PleasingFungus> !seen wheals
22:36:20 <Sequell> I last saw wheals at Wed Nov  5 01:59:29 2014 UTC (2h 36m 50s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving'.
22:36:30 <Grunt> !seen PleasingFungus
22:36:30 <Sequell> I last saw PleasingFungus at Wed Nov  5 04:36:19 2014 UTC (11s ago) saying '!seen wheals' on ##crawl-dev.
22:36:35 <PleasingFungus> !seen Grunt
22:36:35 <Sequell> I last saw Grunt at Wed Nov  5 04:36:29 2014 UTC (6s ago) saying '!seen PleasingFungus' on ##crawl-dev.
22:36:40 <Grunt> !seen Grunt
22:36:40 <Sequell> Sorry Grunt, that person is dead.
22:38:13 <nicolae-> oh god, Grunt's dead?
22:38:26 <nicolae-> and he was so young. i assume.
22:39:17 <Grunt> I am as ancient and wizened as time itself.
22:39:48 <theTower> pff, and not any older
22:40:10 <bh> any objections to adding "karamazovian" to our list of insults?
22:40:16 <theTower> all the cool people preceed the concept of time
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22:42:24 <PleasingFungus> bh: seems a *little* real world, I guess
22:42:34 <PleasingFungus> then again, khufu
22:42:37 <PleasingFungus> do as you will.
22:42:47 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1884-g06f590e: Don't spawn chaos champions with old weapons 10(72 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06f590e6e74c
22:42:50 <primordial> i don't even know what karamazovian means as an insult and i've read the book
22:43:27 <gammafunk> old ass weapons, don't want em
22:43:28 <PleasingFungus> !tell wheals 06f590e might or might not fix the issue where "old" weapons are showing up; probably a good idea to keep an eye out
22:43:29 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know.
22:43:29 * theTower grumbles about not just listing them
22:43:47 <PleasingFungus> it would be reasonable to make a list of "fake" weapons
22:43:56 <PleasingFungus> staff, rod, cutlass, old.*
22:44:06 <PleasingFungus> or, alternately, to add another field
22:44:36 <PleasingFungus> yo, grunt
22:44:45 <bh> primordial: we're in the same boat. Whatever it means, it can't be good
22:44:46 <PleasingFungus> I was thinking about two gold changes
22:44:49 <Grunt> PleasingFungus
22:44:56 <PleasingFungus> er, gozag
22:45:07 <Grunt> take it up with dpeg imo
22:45:07 <Grunt> :)
22:45:09 <PleasingFungus> oh
22:45:12 <PleasingFungus> ok.
22:45:14 <theTower> goldzag
22:45:18 <PleasingFungus> well, he agreed with one of them already
22:45:19 <nicolae-> i wanna hear the changes ideaes
22:45:20 <PleasingFungus> but that one's more work
22:45:22 <Grunt> I'll be interested in hearing your suggestions anyway......
22:45:35 <PleasingFungus> (1) restore old bribe branch behaviour (with repeatedly bribable allies), adding the additional constraint that they can't leave their branch
22:45:55 <PleasingFungus> since that was fun and good (in my experience, sample size: 1)
22:46:13 <bh> 'calf-wit' that's pretty good
22:46:36 <PleasingFungus> (2) make corpse gold either less dependent on mass or entirely independent of it
22:46:50 <theTower> hddddddddd
22:46:53 <PleasingFungus> right now gozagites get kinda screwed by e.g. spider, which seems not ideal
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22:47:13 <PleasingFungus> I do like the idea that an elephant turns into a HUGE PILE OF CASH
22:47:24 <PleasingFungus> so some scaling seems reasonable, purely for theme
22:47:40 <PleasingFungus> but there should be some base gold value, I think
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22:48:26 <nicolae-> gold4elephant
22:48:38 <PleasingFungus> elephant4gold, clearly!
22:48:55 <theTower> pleasingfungus is clearly a strong player in the illicit ivory trade
22:49:07 <nicolae-> no! because you trade in the elephant for gold!
22:49:15 <PleasingFungus> yes, that's what I said
22:49:19 <nonethousand> hd correlates a bit with size maybe
22:49:39 <theTower> spriggansssssssss
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22:49:57 <nicolae-> i was riffing on cash4gold, where you get cash for gold, implying that the item received comes first, therefore gold4elephant, qed
22:50:21 <PleasingFungus> quod erat goldemstratum.
22:50:48 <PleasingFungus> oh. also
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22:51:43 <PleasingFungus> I think that the effects of webbing/netting on sh should be halved or removed.
22:51:55 <PleasingFungus> mainly as a way to differentiate sh from ev a bit more.
22:52:08 <nicolae-> makes sense to me
22:52:18 <theTower> you know, with de-monstered mimics
22:52:25 <theTower> how is there not a fairy gold vault yet
22:52:34 <PleasingFungus> !send inspiration theTower
22:52:35 <Sequell> Sending theTower to inspiration.
22:53:01 <Cheibriados> 03bh02 07* 0.16-a0-1885-g0f03bb0: More Insults 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 24+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f03bb062f33
22:53:04 <Grunt> _gozag_all_that_glitters
22:53:04 <Grunt> hm
22:53:04 <theTower> no no no I said it in public this means nicolae- has to do it
22:53:06 <theTower> or grunt sure
22:53:06 <PleasingFungus> haha
22:53:28 <PleasingFungus> clearly have 1-3 large gold piles scattered among ~a dozen fake ones
22:53:36 <PleasingFungus> also, boggarts
22:53:38 <PleasingFungus> it has to be boggarts
22:53:53 <nicolae-> well i GUESS
22:53:54 <PleasingFungus> !send bh insults
22:53:55 <Sequell> Sending insults to bh.
22:54:01 <nicolae-> are feature mimics still a thing
22:54:13 <nicolae-> i kind of want to make a xom vault with like six altars but five are mimics
22:54:15 <PleasingFungus> they are
22:54:52 <theTower> argh, I can't remember the "gold until morning" quote
22:54:56 <nicolae-> i also want to make a xom vault with a store that sells randarts super cheap but all the randarts are for item slots you can't use
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22:55:15 <PleasingFungus> bardings
22:55:17 <nicolae-> so if you're human or mostly so it only generates giant clubs and bardings
22:55:24 <nicolae-> and so on
22:55:26 <theTower> mostly human
22:55:38 <PleasingFungus> the lua might be tricky
22:55:50 <nicolae-> actually it wasn't too bad, it was just long
22:55:53 <theTower> need a "useless" modifier like there is for "useful"
22:56:20 <nicolae-> it kept crashing though when it tried to generate "any weapon randart ego:holy_wrath"
22:56:43 <nicolae-> like every six or so times i'd generate a level with the shop on it it would crash, i don't remember what the assert was though
22:57:40 <theTower> ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2806 failed.
22:57:52 <nicolae-> sounds about right, yeah
22:58:02 <theTower> 0200&%foo
22:59:16 <theTower> huh, I get an error message for pain but not flaming (and the crash for holy)?
22:59:19 <theTower> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f03bb062f33
22:59:24 <theTower> goddamnit irssi copy-paste
23:00:02 <theTower> wait, no, I just put in "any item blah" by accident
23:01:36 <|amethyst> (idx: 23, qty: 0, base: 0, sub: 43, spe: 0, col: 13, rnd: 255)
23:02:43 <|amethyst> next time  (idx: 528, qty: 0, base: 0, sub: 18, spe: 0, col: 14, rnd: 156)
23:03:33 <|amethyst> alway quantity 0
23:05:16 <chequers> |amethyst: fr for your scores bot: add a user-agent
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23:13:25 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1886-g15dda65: don't run qw tests by default 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=15dda6538d0f
23:13:25 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1887-g3a3701c: cut down the number of builds a bit 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a3701cfb3d3
23:13:25 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1888-g65a91a3: handle errors properly in travis build runner 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65a91a3fac2e
23:13:39 <PleasingFungus> travis <3
23:13:41 <PleasingFungus> hm
23:13:43 <PleasingFungus> design question
23:15:10 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-1885-g0f03bb0 (34)
23:16:08 <johnstein> dumb question. what is .travis ?
23:16:22 <doy> johnstein: https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/
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23:17:03 <johnstein> kinda like Jenkins?
23:17:07 <PleasingFungus> so I'm working on a test implementation of "shield (a)evp", moving shields over to the armour penalty system. I want them to 'require' similar amounts of strength as armour (in the way that, intentionally, you're 'suggested' to have as much strength as the displayed encumbrance value), but I don't want the actual evp to be as large. I think I can do this, but the question is: is it too...
23:17:08 <PleasingFungus> ...confusing to display an encumbrance value for shields that corresponds to a smaller penalty than the same encumbrance value for armour would give?
23:17:10 <johnstein> automated builds etc?
23:17:13 <doy> johnstein: yeah
23:17:43 <johnstein> cool. anything I should keep tabs on as a server admin?
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23:17:52 <travis-ci> crawl-ref/crawl-ref#135 (master - abd4d49 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored.
23:17:52 <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/6dea47a319cb...abd4d491d322
23:17:52 <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40025855
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23:18:34 <PleasingFungus> hm
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23:19:15 <PleasingFungus> I don't see any errors
23:19:17 <doy> hmmm, i should disable that until i get things working properly
23:19:42 <doy> yeah, ignore travis for now
23:20:15 <|amethyst> the "error" there seems to be qw timing out
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23:20:38 <|amethyst> https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/jobs/40025856
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23:20:44 <doy> yeah
23:20:50 <doy> i just disabled the qw tests
23:21:27 <doy> seeds aren't stable across build types (or across commits, really), so it's hard to tell what's going to make it take forever
23:21:59 <PleasingFungus> http://pastebin.com/QB9549ZV here's a thing about acquirement by lessens that people might want to reference at some point
23:22:04 <PleasingFungus> so I'm sticking it in the logs
23:23:42 <|amethyst> ah, I think I have a fix for the holy wrath crash
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23:25:09 <johnstein> to revert back?
23:25:14 <PleasingFungus> revert what back
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23:25:53 <johnstein> sorry. thought it was already fixed but there was no way to revert to the previous egos. like how you fixed the rings
23:26:09 <johnstein> oh
23:26:14 <johnstein> holy wrath crash
23:26:16 <johnstein> sorry
23:26:18 <|amethyst> doy:   printf "'$cmd' returned exit value %d", $exit;
23:26:23 <PleasingFungus> I don't know what the holy wrath crash is
23:26:31 <|amethyst> doy:  looks dangerous if $cmd might have % signs one day
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23:26:40 <johnstein> yea. I misread. it's been a long week
23:26:41 <PleasingFungus> I am hoping it is the mystery milestoneless crash
23:26:43 <johnstein> :/
23:26:47 <doy> $cmd is hardcoded in the script, i'm not too worried
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23:27:15 <theTower> pleasingfungus: surely it is vaguely related to the any weapon randart ego:holy_wrath nicolae- complained about earlier
23:27:20 <PleasingFungus> oh
23:27:25 <PleasingFungus> plausible
23:27:43 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1889-g55cb6ae: sigh 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=55cb6ae33b89
23:27:43 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1890-g485ae62: Don't crash when rerolling a bad randart. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=485ae622b986
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23:28:08 <|amethyst> doy:  I suppose :P
23:28:49 <doy> and all that would happen would be a broken error message anyway, it's not dangerous in the same way it is in c
23:29:04 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: huh, what introduced that bug?
23:29:08 <|amethyst> yeah
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23:31:03 <Sizzell> neil (L1 MfFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2859 failed. (D:1)
23:31:29 <Sizzell> neil (L1 HuFi) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 3031 failed. (D:1)
23:32:19 <|amethyst> %git 0ae4b3eb
23:32:19 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.6.0-a0-2075-g0ae4b3e: Fix test failure: need to clear the item before rerolling a randart. 10(5 years ago, 1 file, 9+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ae4b3ebec27
23:32:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  probably that
23:32:46 <PleasingFungus> !
23:32:55 <|amethyst> I can reproduce it back to 0.10 at least
23:32:59 <PleasingFungus> dang
23:33:00 <theTower> fascinating
23:33:02 <|amethyst> haven't tried further back because servers
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23:40:34 <|amethyst> %git 0b74ee5
23:40:34 <Cheibriados> 07by02 * 0.7.0-a0-2477-g0b74ee5: Item generation asserts. 10(4 years, 5 months ago, 6 files, 59+ 66-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b74ee5ed7cb
23:40:43 <|amethyst> probably started crashing then
23:41:00 <|amethyst> or, at least, reliably crashing
23:41:10 <theTower> even if 4.1 is more curious by having things that never were, it'd probably be interesting to have 0.1 on some servers
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23:41:53 <johnstein> hardcore nostalgia?
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23:43:40 <theTower> except with the speed 15 hydras
23:43:42 <theTower> ...without
23:44:25 <potatolizard> with!
23:45:41 <Grunt> 4.0b26 imo
23:46:02 <PleasingFungus> 1.0
23:46:05 <PleasingFungus> with summon vampire
23:46:32 <primordial> Yeah, have 4.00.26
23:46:38 <theTower> summon vampire with vampire summon vampires sounds interesting
23:46:46 <primordial> that was played for a long time before DCSS
23:46:50 <theTower> maybe a nemelex card could be summoners, what could go wrong
23:46:52 <primordial> and the last DC !SS
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23:47:12 <PleasingFungus> getting boggarts from shadow creatures is
23:47:14 <Grunt> summoners summoning summoners summoning
23:47:14 <PleasingFungus> interesting
23:47:39 <Grunt> tier 1: worldbinders, tier 2: corrupters
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23:47:43 <Grunt> tier 0: ???
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23:48:33 <primordial> giant orange brains are good shadow creatures too
23:48:52 <theTower> worldbinder / boggart / corrupter, obviously
23:48:55 <primordial> anyone remember when makhleb gave blue devils? You could just flood zot 5 with summons offscreen haha
23:49:07 <doy> blue deaths, you mean
23:49:12 <primordial> yeah blue deaths
23:49:46 <theTower> although it'd be odd that boggart relies on the place when the other two tiers don't
23:50:53 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1891-g9d79221: Make cursed jewellery itemspecs work (#5938) 10(42 seconds ago, 2 files, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d79221650d5
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23:52:13 <PleasingFungus> hm
23:52:28 <PleasingFungus> %git 39b5387b
23:52:28 <Cheibriados> 07Cryp71c02 * 0.10-a0-1585-g39b5387: Fix build issues stemming from merge 10(3 years ago, 29 files, 91+ 135-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39b5387b564b
23:52:43 <|amethyst> One more suggestion nagdon had there was renaming 'cursed' to 'baditem'
23:53:03 <|amethyst> which would probably be a good idea but I didn't want to go through all the vaults
23:53:06 <PleasingFungus> every turn, I'm getting "clamping speed increment on something: 310"
23:53:16 <PleasingFungus> that seems not ideal
23:53:50 <PleasingFungus> oh, I wonder if it's because I was triple-stat-zeroed
23:53:53 <PleasingFungus> and moving very slowly
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23:54:18 <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/65a91a3fac2e...55cb6ae33b89
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23:55:18 <|amethyst> ah
23:55:21 <|amethyst> test needs updated
23:55:28 <|amethyst> test error: ...awl-ref/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/test.lua:14: Expected '10 chunks of hydra flesh', but got '10 poisonous chunks of flesh'
23:55:33 <doy> yeah, already fixed
23:56:00 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1892-gf113ad9: fix tests for dechunk 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f113ad9b9809
23:56:00 <Cheibriados> 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1893-g333cb66: still need alsa even for BUILD_ALL 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=333cb664c162
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23:56:18 <PleasingFungus> oh, hm. interesting
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23:56:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  hm, wonder if the clamp needs to be there at all?
23:56:57 <PleasingFungus> never actually seen someone use http://microsyntax.sites.yale.edu/needs-washed before
23:56:58 <PleasingFungus> neat
23:57:35 <doy> you don't spend much time in the midwest, i take it
23:57:43 <PleasingFungus> none at all :)
23:57:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  I used to use "reach" as a ditransitive
23:58:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  "Could you reach me the salt?"
23:58:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  that one's probably much more narrowly distributed than needs-washed
23:58:46 <PleasingFungus> ooo
23:58:49 <PleasingFungus> powerful....
23:59:04 <|amethyst> and I don't have the wine-whine merger :)
23:59:15 <PleasingFungus> wait, how do you differentiate them?
23:59:31 <|amethyst> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmqJQ-nc_s
23:59:54 <PleasingFungus> ahh, hwhine
23:59:56 <PleasingFungus> ?