00:00:03 2. coldwave the Black Belt (L15 MfTm of Ru), slain by a small abomination on Abyss:1 on 2014-10-21 04:14:13, with 60970 points after 21864 turns and 1:56:09. 00:00:16 it can be many status..es? 00:00:29 !lg * current trunk tm status=~weak -log 00:00:30 2. coldwave, XL15 MfTm, T:21864: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/coldwave/morgue-coldwave-20141021-041413.txt 00:01:02 !lg * current trunk tm status=weakened 00:01:03 2. coldwave the Black Belt (L15 MfTm of Ru), slain by a small abomination on Abyss:1 on 2014-10-21 04:14:13, with 60970 points after 21864 turns and 1:56:09. 00:01:11 ah, that's the problem, it's weakened 00:01:24 !lg * current trunk vm status=~poison_vuln 00:01:25 No games for * (current trunk vm status=~poison_vuln). 00:01:31 !lg * current trunk vm status=~vuln 00:01:32 No games for * (current trunk vm status=~vuln). 00:01:53 !kw current 00:01:53 Keyword: current => cv>=0.15 00:02:01 ah, probably just current is fine 00:02:58 plah, just the orange demon 00:03:11 -!- Ctrl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:36 I'm sure all the status effects will eventually be the death of people 00:03:44 aside from poor mufe 00:05:06 dumb approach to scaling: add a new "greater sticky flame" spell/status 00:05:32 (monster spell) 00:05:45 well. 00:06:00 we could have, say, a spell that inflicts explosions when you're hit by fire, and... 00:06:06 -!- shogun has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:15 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 00:06:22 :) 00:06:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141026030205]] 00:06:29 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:10 let's see, that powder was planned for hell knights, hell effects, ???? 00:07:19 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:07:42 May I suggest that summonings miscasts be toned down? 00:08:21 Some of the miscasts are insane--I've seen permanent hostile shadow fiends and herds of spacial vortexes now. 00:08:35 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1702-gbf7a8d7 (34) 00:08:45 hrm, that seems wrong 00:08:54 what were you casting? 00:09:24 Monstrous Menagerie at 12% fail 00:09:31 those are not new, at least 00:09:38 Permanent Hostile shadow fiend now 00:09:45 absolutely impossible for me to deal with 00:09:48 theTower: yeah, you didn't increase the chance of those either, right? 00:10:01 nope, I only buffed.. some harmless effects 00:10:11 I'm not saying it's a new problem, just that it's a problem 00:10:11 I should go read the commit I guess 00:10:17 This is in 0.15 00:10:19 oh 00:10:47 well, summoning is a very strong school inherently (with all the spells made non-stupid in 0.14) 00:10:47 The summonings miscasts are way worse than the other spell skills imo 00:11:13 shogun: is menag in the red for you miscast wise? 00:11:22 like, if you don't mind the extra chances you could probably kill a shadow fiend with said summons >_> 00:11:26 It's lightred 00:11:36 theTower I tried but I got chain tormented immediately 00:11:45 yeah I think white, yellow, and lightred are the only colors 00:11:49 what level is this dude 00:11:50 yeah i think you can kill a shadow fiend with menag 00:11:58 15 now 00:12:00 there is definitely lightred and red gammafunk 00:12:06 oh ok 00:12:08 i mean you can but it can also kill you in 2 turns 00:12:13 yes 00:12:13 if it gets lucky 00:12:18 why would you willingly fight a shadow fiend at xl15 00:12:24 I do not think it's fair that summonings gets these level of miscasts 00:12:39 well 00:12:40 well im sure someone would argue summons are really strong and could take the penalty 00:12:44 ??miscast_effects 00:12:44 I don't have a page labeled miscast_effects in my learndb. 00:12:46 ??miscast_effect 00:12:46 I don't have a page labeled miscast_effect in my learndb. 00:12:49 ??miscast 00:12:49 miscast[1/1]: Failure to cast spells causes various generally nasty things to occur, becoming nastier with spell level and spell failure. Miscasts come in severity 0,1,2,3; 0 is always harmless. See { miscast}. 00:12:53 the lesson here though is just dont cast stuff at lightred 00:12:58 ??fire_miscast 00:12:58 fire miscast[1/2]: 0.16 1: 1-2 fire vortexes / burn scrolls (melt ice in 0.15) (2-14 damage if and only if vulnerable); 2: 5-33 fire damage / 3d14 fireball / sticky flame; 3: 9-41 fire damage and 15-25 turn fire vuln / 3d20 fireball. For earlier versions, see the next entry. 00:12:59 well, translocations tries to compare! 00:13:00 ??summonings miscast 00:13:00 summonings miscast[1/1]: 1: 5-13 dmg / spatial vortex / imp 2: 2-4 spatial vorts / common demon / (0.15-) 2-3 lesser (0.16+) 2-4 small abom 3: (0.15-) small abomination (0.16+) 1-3 worldbinders / greater demon / 2-3 common / banish / hostile malign gateway 00:13:09 banish is really bad, obviously 00:13:11 I guess. To use high level spells then you need single digit fail rates 00:13:18 (...and yes, summoning also has banish) 00:13:19 I mean, 3d20 fireball, 9-41 damage 00:13:22 these can kill you 00:13:29 9-41 damage with fire vulnnnnnn 00:13:29 in one turn 00:13:37 ive never died because of a fire miscast 00:13:43 i guess, that doesn't compare to a permanent shadow fiend imo 00:13:51 i dont think ive died to a miscast ever 00:14:02 DrKe: you have a few wins now I heard, so you're getting better at crawl 00:14:22 well what i should have said was i never have actually gotten one 00:14:29 as far as i recal 00:14:31 a level 3 one 00:14:36 tabstorm still dies on slime:$ so he needs to get good 00:15:00 well I agree that a durably summoned t-1 is a Real Bad Thing 00:15:02 one usually risks higher summoning miscasts rates than conjurations 00:15:06 like level 3 miscasts are so rare 00:15:11 with a reasonable fail rate 00:15:14 I dunno, we could make it not durable I guess 00:15:37 and just of high enough dur that it's not trivial to abjure it 00:16:09 I always use sif so this doesn't affect me, hence I've never complained 00:16:31 Can it actually be abjured? I tried abjuring makhleb demons before and it didn't work 00:16:39 I know summon greater demon is easy to abjure 00:16:39 not durable ones, no 00:16:53 but I was saying they could be make into normal summons of high duration 00:17:10 So the lesson here is don't use spells until they're at yellow? 00:17:18 sure 00:17:18 well, ideally yes 00:17:19 that is usually good yes 00:17:24 ok 00:17:26 use more wizardry if you can 00:17:30 casting haste at red can result in berserk or haste quite often, more often than you want really 00:17:45 and i learned my lesson casting invis at red and getting mutated as a result with high contam 00:17:49 I mean, my fail rate is 12% lightred 00:17:58 lightred doesnt tend to be that bad ime 00:17:59 yes, its pretty close to 8% 00:17:59 i would never cast dark red 00:18:00 which is worse, red or lightred? 00:18:02 red 00:18:12 yeah I guess it would be that way 00:18:16 if its 8% its less than 1% chance of a level 3 miscast i think is how it works? 00:18:24 ??miscast 00:18:24 miscast[1/1]: Failure to cast spells causes various generally nasty things to occur, becoming nastier with spell level and spell failure. Miscasts come in severity 0,1,2,3; 0 is always harmless. See { miscast}. 00:18:34 Even 1% chance of getting a shadow fiend or abyss is too much 00:18:41 for this char 00:18:45 heh 00:18:54 well no character is going to want a shadow fiend or banishment 00:18:55 naga in abyss is bad 00:19:02 if you are that scared, then get 4% failure 00:19:02 -!- anubisbafoobis has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:19:13 i get haste at <5% so its really safe 00:19:29 well u cast spells 100s of times 00:19:37 so if it's 1% that is a very high chance of getting killed 00:19:44 sounds like a good reason to get more summonings skill then! 00:19:51 so don't cast spells 100s of times when they're at like 10% fail rate 00:19:52 since spells like menagerie rely on spellpower 00:19:53 next time I run into that titan on v:5 with no relec, I'm just going to patiently explain to it: "look, lightning bolts are too dangerous for my character..." 00:20:04 i mean maybe ive gotten fire miscasts and just dont remember it 00:20:13 like i got a 3d20 fireball that rolled like 3 damage after ac 00:20:19 and i thought it was a low level miscast 00:20:28 I guess it sounds like i'm complaning but really i'm just taking this as a lesson 00:20:32 but i have gotten screwed over by other schools tho 00:20:35 likewise, strictly speaking that level 3 miscast could just be... a hell beast 00:20:52 or a small abomination 00:20:52 I think it can be cahnged, but at least I know what can happen 00:20:55 or a worldbinder, whatever that is! 00:21:03 I think a hellbeast would be fair or any 2 really 00:21:08 but a shadow fiend is insane 00:21:23 well i think the lesson is dont cast at lightred then 00:21:39 seems like banishment would be worse than a single shadow fiend 00:21:49 i think you are a lot more likely to risk high fail with a school like summonings 00:22:02 well currently L3 miscasts sometimes have effects in the same tier as god wrath; some of the most harmfull effects in crawl 00:22:04 so maybe that is why the effects are worse 00:22:23 and banishment has always been a pretty standard L3 miscast 00:23:04 depends 00:23:13 if you're a low health shadow fiend is probably worse 00:23:23 I suppose you are okay if you have a blink scroll 00:23:27 which I did 00:24:00 if you're low health, instand 3d20 or 9-41 damage or something similar is likely to be game ending 00:24:05 well, if you didn't even die to the shadow fiend, i really don't see what the problem is 00:24:06 *instant 00:24:55 !lg . ikiller=player 00:24:55 No games for gammafunk (ikiller=player). 00:25:11 !lg gammafunk ikiller~~player 00:25:12 12. gammafunk the Caller (L7 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by a kobold (exploding inner flame) (hexed by the player character) on D:7 on 2014-10-21 02:34:27, with 622 points after 3432 turns and 0:30:33. 00:25:17 good 00:25:18 there we go 00:25:26 !lg . ikiller=~player s=kaux 00:25:27 12 games for gammafunk (ikiller=~player): 6x, 3x blast of hellfire, 2x exploding inner flame, puff of frost 00:25:39 huh, no deaths from fcloud due to micast? 00:25:44 !lg . ikiller=~player s=kaux 00:25:44 One game for doy (ikiller=~player): by divine providence 00:25:46 !lg gammafunk ikiller~~miscast 00:25:47 3. gammafunk the Caller (L6 HESu), slain by an Executioner (created by miscasting Summon Ice Beast) on D:7 on 2014-08-08 21:35:46, with 363 points after 3303 turns and 0:21:16. 00:25:52 !lg . ikiller=~player 00:25:53 1. doy the Fiendish (L6 GhCK of Makhleb), blasted by a smoke demon (divine providence) (summoned by the player character) on D:5 on 2010-08-28 16:42:56, with 668 points after 5291 turns and 0:13:50. 00:25:57 !lg gammafunk vmsg~~miscast 00:25:58 5. gammafunk the Caller (L6 HESu), slain by an Executioner (created by miscasting Summon Ice Beast) on D:7 on 2014-08-08 21:35:46, with 363 points after 3303 turns and 0:21:16. 00:26:07 that was a good miscast 00:26:13 -!- eliana has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:16 !lg * vmsg~~miscast s=vsmg 00:26:18 Unknown field: vsmg 00:26:31 !lg * vmsg~~miscast s=ckaux 00:26:33 your hesu was really talented 00:26:35 3068 games for * (vmsg~~miscast): 356x, 309x miscasting Sticky Flame, 262x residual poison, 175x miscasting Mephitic Cloud, 141x spell miscasting, 135x miscasting Regeneration, 126x miscasting Lightning Bolt, 125x miscasting Fireball, 114x miscasting Iskenderun's Battlesphere, 98x miscasting Throw Icicle, 90x miscasting Venom Bolt, 60x miscasting Iskenderun's Mystic Blast, 54x miscasting Vampiric ... 00:26:39 summoned something much stronger than ice beast 00:26:40 If you wait to cast ice beast and other 4th level spells until under 10% fail rate you're going to have a really boring time at best 00:26:45 as a Su 00:27:03 if you don't wait, you're going to have a pretty exciting time, as you have found out 00:27:05 (: 00:27:08 well I wait till about 28% fail 00:27:20 You can easily die from not casting those as a Su tho 00:27:22 and sometimes I do die to those miscasts, but not often enough that I care 00:27:25 not just as a character who summons 00:27:58 !lg . vmsg~~miscast s=ckaux 00:27:59 One game for DrKe (vmsg~~miscast): 00:28:00 I usually using it very sparingly at 28% and much more around 12% or so, when it's out of yellow 00:28:01 I dunno, I guess you guys are okay with it but it seems too harsh for ice beast miscasts to give executioner during normal play 00:28:14 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:28:20 i just dont really get it 00:28:22 shogun: it's not different from just dying to due ice damage really 00:28:27 for a lot of my fire elementalists id cast sticky flame at like 28% fail 00:29:01 i must lead a charmed existence 00:29:02 it's not really possible to avoid using spells until 10% fail or less on book starts 00:29:06 ??sticky_flame 00:29:07 sticky flame[1/5]: A level 4 fire/conjurations spell. Causes constant fire damage (2d4 - 1 per turn) to an adjacent target. When your character is covered in sticky flame, it shows as "Fire" on your HUD. 00:29:08 shogun: if you're concerned, you can play sif 00:29:26 or use wizardry 00:29:28 at 28% sticky will be yellow, so L3 miscasts will be very very rare 00:29:28 etc 00:29:37 there are lots of options 00:29:37 Why do these "instadeath" miscasts need to be in the game? 00:29:40 how rare are we talking 00:29:48 it's clearly not instadeath, because you didn't die 00:29:58 DrKe: I'm not sure I've even gotten another L3 from ice beast aside from that instance 00:30:03 Yeah but that's being results oriented 00:30:04 oh, is the cloud L3? 00:30:07 i mean yeah thats just what baffles me 00:30:10 the fcloud I mean 00:30:11 the cloud is level 3 00:30:13 no, that's pretty much by definition 00:30:17 yeah ok, I've gotten that a few times 00:30:20 maybe 4 times 00:30:29 And the shadow fiend is still there so it's not too late 00:30:32 it's a permanent summon 00:30:35 :) 00:30:49 time to kill it with your level 5 summons 00:31:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:37 -!- DrStalker has quit [] 00:31:59 that's a good way to get killed 00:32:07 see? you're learning! 00:32:09 (: 00:32:24 no, I mean a shadow fiend can kill a l15 char before they're done summoning 00:32:44 I can kill a shadow fiend pretty easilly as an L15 summoner 00:33:01 in any case, avoiding the level until you're strong enough is not that hard 00:33:12 I attempted it already. Turn 1 torment, turn 2 torment, turn 3 bolt of cold 00:33:35 man, where is reliable monster casting when they're supposed to appear >_> 00:33:49 Well I'm saying I've attempted it and I've done it; if you get some bad rolls you may need to heal/blink etc 00:34:16 you shouldn't have much difficulty killing it if you're not already wounded 00:34:19 you said easily 00:34:24 it can kill you in 3 turns 00:34:31 and all of its attacks go through summons 00:34:32 it can kill him easily 00:34:34 he can kill it easily 00:34:44 right 00:34:44 it goes both ways 00:34:46 haha 00:35:05 !tell roctavian the hellbinder sigils floortiles weren't adjusted when their adjoining tiles were 00:35:06 theTower: OK, I'll let roctavian know. 00:35:11 it's really not very difficult when you have: shadow createres + menag + hydra + sgd + ... 00:35:50 All I have is menag/shadow creatures and shadow creatures does zilch on d11 vs a shadow fiend 00:36:34 time for early lair rune branches 00:36:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:36:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:36:56 speak of the devil I cast menag again and got hell sentinel :D 00:37:08 maybe i was wrong about you learning d: 00:37:44 lol 00:38:35 anyhow, I'm sad that theTower didn't break crawl with a bug in his miscast reform that I could fix and take glorious credit for, but sounds like there's not real problem 00:39:50 -!- grillatactics has quit [Quit: grillatactics] 00:40:37 !tell roctavian man, the white floor for wucad / tukima isn't remotely white anymore =\ 00:40:37 theTower: OK, I'll let roctavian know. 00:44:18 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:28 -!- tucky has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:00:44 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:38 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 01:08:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:09:31 -!- kipdster has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:17:45 //do we really need this check in the case of colour cycling? 01:17:57 what do I do if I find a question in the source, and I know the answer? 01:19:20 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:20:18 .crushed -tv 01:20:18 62. arthad, XL24 GrFi, T:60930 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:22:29 dang, 62 damage 01:22:38 !cmd .crushed 01:22:39 Command: .crushed => !lg * cv>0.14 ikiller=octopode_crusher 01:22:47 specific 01:23:11 well make a monster so you can have a cool basil command 01:23:34 like .spiced or something 01:23:51 .seasoned 01:24:39 .t vs 01:24:41 2883. TZer0, XL25 VSFi, T:52844 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:25:47 !cmd .t 01:25:47 Command: .t => !lg * !won !boring t ((tiles || !@hugeterm)) max=xl ntv=0 -tv ${*:-xl>15} 01:26:46 oh, clan 01:27:04 ??clan 01:27:04 clan[1/3]: European Crawl server, located in Germany. http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/ or crawl.lantea.net, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.14 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut) 01:27:08 ??clan[$ 01:27:09 clan[3/3]: Rebuilds trunk at 00:00-GMT+1 and 0.15 at 20:00-GMT+1. 01:27:24 ??is_clan_down 01:27:25 11 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes, 16 seconds since last activity (clan) 01:28:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:33:37 Summoning is a bad choice with vehumet 01:33:43 56000 turns, **** piety 01:33:48 and amulet of faith to boot 01:34:40 oops, wrong channel 01:39:52 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:39:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:44:26 -!- shogun has left ##crawl-dev 02:02:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:04:13 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:07:42 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:14:07 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:18:55 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1702-gbf7a8d7 (34) 02:27:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:48 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 02:41:42 ugh i need to stop drawing dwarves 02:41:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:55:20 -!- dfddfdfdf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:57:47 -!- teflonbiscuit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:03:58 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:13:58 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:18:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:22 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:30:31 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:45:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:52:12 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:08:40 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:18:07 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 04:18:42 -!- xugundxug has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:26:52 !seen edlothial 04:26:53 Sorry checkers, I haven't seen edlothial. 04:27:06 !seen edlothiol 04:27:07 I last saw edlothiol at Mon Oct 27 10:59:27 2014 UTC (22h 27m 40s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 245 seconds'. 04:44:44 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:03 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:12 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:34:20 -!- schistosoma has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:15 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:00:45 -!- kait_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:02:03 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:15 [PATCH] Report duplicate argv options to stderr 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9097 by chequers 06:09:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:16:45 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 06:20:59 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:33:24 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:38:31 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:44 -!- doy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:22 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:46 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:28 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:56:03 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:04 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:01:57 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 07:04:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:05 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:05:20 -!- pentax has quit [Client Quit] 07:09:22 -!- tumblemist has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:20:35 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:23:14 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1703-g5157612: Fix changelog. 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5157612ac014 07:24:42 <|amethyst> Guess I should edit PF's trunk update post to match 07:28:03 |amethyst: it's pretty minor :) 07:28:54 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:33:23 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:37 <|amethyst> dpeg_: wouldn't want someone to die because we mislead them about eating RJ in combat 07:34:46 <|amethyst> dpeg_: they should die to their own inadequacies instead! 07:39:04 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:14 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:41:57 ??royal jelly 07:41:57 royal jelly[1/2]: A 5000 nutrition food that also restores abilities. In 0.15, just 2000 nutrition with no other effects. For the boss of the Slime Pits, see {the royal jelly}. 07:42:20 ??royal jelly[2 07:42:21 the royal jelly[1/6]: Boss of the Slime Pits. Damage causes the creation of high-level Js such as acid blobs and azure jellies, which will never be on the other side of a wall and give no experience. When killed, the level allows teleport control, and the loot chamber walls become transparent and diggable. 07:43:13 oh nutrition also got boosted 07:44:22 !learn edit royal_jelly[1] s/^.*just // 07:44:23 royal jelly[1/2]: 2000 nutrition with no other effects. For the boss of the Slime Pits, see {the royal jelly}. 07:49:58 |amethyst: alright! 07:52:52 <|amethyst> (I do think RJ should be give more, or pizza less, nutrition; or vice versa and swap the eating times too) 07:53:04 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:53:11 <|amethyst> (but that requires adjusting food vaults and spawn frequencies so meh) 07:54:02 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:54:20 <|amethyst> but that requires effort so meh 07:54:22 1learn add 07:54:24 * Grunt flees. 07:58:37 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 08:09:16 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:12:46 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:15:49 killer bees are a great enemy. There isn't much like them in late D / depths. I'm thinking a corroding, extremely fast pack threat (acid bees) could be good addition to those areas. 08:17:08 Early bees are dangerous because they're hard to escape and deal what is at the time a stacking significant threat (poison), but later poison isn't nearly as threatening, while corrosion is. 08:20:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 08:21:35 Lasty_: interesting (and acid bees pois-vulnerable or not)? 08:22:43 By that point in the game, virtually every non-TSO character has access to easy poison, so probably not poison vulnerable. 08:23:05 maybe not poison invulnerable either, but not extra-vulnerable anyway 08:23:32 yeah 08:24:59 so basically fast bee-shaped brown ugly things? 08:25:17 who you can't talk out of being brown 08:25:46 sounds interesting 08:25:58 more or less, yes 08:27:02 This is probably overkill, but if we wanted them to be terrifying, we could give them boring beetle digging (burrowing bees) 08:27:31 but that would probably just mean that positioning doesn't matter, which is boring 08:27:33 or maybe you are talking about two enemies 08:27:39 add one of those guys 08:27:45 and a pack of acid bees 08:28:59 if corrosion happened in -1 increments you could manage the corrosion rate a bit more granularly 08:29:09 Let's forget I suggested a fast burrower for now -- I'm not sure it's a good idea. 08:29:20 But acid bees are obviously great. 08:29:21 :D 08:30:03 anyone around who works on webtiles-changes? I have been updating my server to use it today and have accumulated a pile of patches 08:32:24 killer bee (07y) | Spd: 20 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-23 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 1008(poison:6-12) | fly | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 62 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 08:32:24 %?? killer bee 08:32:28 raven (02b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-39 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 14, 11 | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(20), 08blind | XP: 261 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 08:32:28 %?? raven 08:32:42 jiangshi (08V) | Spd: 18 (move: 60%) | HD: 10 | HP: 52-77 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 2705(vampiric), 2705(vampiric) | 07undead, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1066 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 08:32:42 %?? jiangshi 08:33:52 mb spd 20, hd 8, ac4, ev 18, damage 18 (acid), mr 70 08:33:56 checkers: last time I heard something about this, webtiles-changes will have to wait a bit (until Christmas) 08:34:00 size tiny 08:34:15 brown very ugly thing (08u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 82-115 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 2708(acid:7d3) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 08acid | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1443 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 08:34:15 %?? brown very ugly thing 08:35:26 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:03 checkers: I would post them to mantis and then !tell gammafunk and edlothiol. they've been adding a few patches here and there for webtiles-changes and I've been testing them "in production" on DBRO. sounds like |amethyst is also planning to test on cszo soon 08:38:00 dpeg_: yeah, i'm hoping to get these patches in before it hits trunk of course :) 08:38:06 johnstein: thanks, will poke 08:38:25 checkers: ah, I see... sorry for my lack of context 08:38:47 checkers: yea I think it's a good idea. we've found a few things so far in testing 08:39:23 is clan still down? 08:39:39 ??is clan down 08:39:40 12 days, 7 hours, 10 minutes, 31 seconds since last activity (clan) 08:39:54 ??is cbro down 08:39:54 is cbro down[1/1]: CBRO should NOT be down 08:40:25 how do I update ??cbro is down to do the activity thing? 08:40:55 er. ??is cbro down 08:45:26 !learn q is clan down 08:45:26 is clan down[1/1]: do {!isonline clan} 08:47:12 ah didn't know about !learn q 08:47:13 Ty 08:50:08 [PATCH] various webtiles-changes improvements 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9098 by chequers 08:51:54 sleeptime, I'll try to poke those two in person 08:52:35 would be good to chat and see what their plan is, I don't want to write patches they don't want :) 08:54:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:44 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:04:49 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:09:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10:33 Coagulated blood and list of unseen items 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9099 by Yermak 09:20:05 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24:39 -!- VoidFox has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:04 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:19 -!- grillatactics has quit [Quit: grillatactics] 09:41:13 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:48:23 -!- _159 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:48:42 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:51:23 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1704-g7f7d5df: Changelog fix (Grunt) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f7d5dfda2fc 09:54:36 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:59:40 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:59:46 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:00:56 * Grunt grunts 10:00:59 . 10:01:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:02:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re 9099, they can be specifically excluded from \ like the other obsolete potions 10:03:56 idk. I guess. 10:04:20 I'm too tired/grumpy to make good decisions right now. 10:04:47 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:01 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:05:16 The only good fungus is a grumpy fungus! 10:05:40 -!- Ratboiler_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:05:42 why so grumpy all the time, PF? 10:05:48 yes, what's up? 10:06:00 just woke up 10:06:04 I don't think I'm grumpy all the time? 10:06:10 I don't think that's a true thing. 10:06:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1705-geaa80b0: No longer list coagulated blood in \ (#9099) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eaa80b051ada 10:06:33 I suppose I'm basing that on the fact that you've told me you're grumpy a few times but never told me you're not grumpy. Not exactly good science. 10:06:39 generally congenial, occasionally grumpy 10:06:45 Lasty_: perhaps not. :) 10:07:19 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:08:00 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:46 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 10:13:53 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141026030205]] 10:20:03 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:34 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:20:46 morning, dpeg 10:23:06 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:37 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:24:41 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:25:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:26:18 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:28:10 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:07 bh: Hallo! Don't say anything, I haven't forgotten my load. 10:30:49 dpeg_: really no hurry 10:31:33 Universal rule of progress: things stall at 85%. 10:31:57 yeah. My solver for figuring out aperiodic floor tilings is stalled 10:32:04 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:33:54 ??aperiodic floor tiling 10:33:56 I don't have a page labeled aperiodic_floor_tiling in my learndb. 10:33:57 heh 10:34:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:35:13 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:36:40 haven't had much time to bang on the solver. Depending on the underlying tiling, I believe it's NP-Hard 10:37:34 I sense that there's some deep connection here to percolation theory 10:41:28 -!- NekoRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:47 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:52 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:20 bh: there is a solution. Its name is Dissolution. 10:47:39 Grunt: nope. 10:48:46 rip 10:49:00 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:19 isn't the niche of fast band-based monsters in depths covered by spriggan air mages and deep troll professions 10:50:45 theTower: is this question a reply to Lasty's idea about acidic bees? 10:50:51 yes 10:51:00 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:21 theTower: I think you could say so, but the devil is in "covered". One could argue about that. 10:51:32 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:52:09 I think the niches don't have to have perfect slots fit into them, and crawl has a lot of "swarms" as stands 10:52:46 !tell PleasingFungus !send PleasingFungus cheerfulness 10:52:47 Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:52:58 (we, uh, did just get a new one, in fact >_>) 10:53:21 air mages and deep trolls aren't particularly similar to killer bees in terms of how you play against them or in terms of what they do to you. 10:53:46 * theTower shrugs 10:54:13 !tell PleasingFungus be sure to channel any residual grumpiness into offing more players.... 10:54:13 Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:54:26 Grunt: always the best way! 10:54:32 I vaguely worry that it dilutes branch identity to think in terms more narrow than, uh, hmm 10:54:33 !send Lasty_ bumblebees 10:54:34 Sending bumblebees to Lasty_. 10:54:38 !death dpeg_ 10:54:39 Death has come for dpeg_... 10:54:43 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:56:02 Oh god, bees! Such friendly bees! 10:56:04 "burst-damage of conjurations", "summons", "smite", "debilitation", "monster support", "can't flee", 10:56:17 * theTower shrugs 10:57:03 I mean, when I think of absent niches in D/Depths I think of how depths lacks more hyper-oods since all the dragons and deep elves and titans are common sights 10:57:56 The way I'm looking at it, there's nothing in the late game that one treats like one treats killer bees, and frankly, killer bees can often inspire interesting gameplay and fun levels of panic, so it's potentially worth adding something that gives higher-level players a chance to make use of the bee-fighting strategies they've learned in a new context. 10:58:10 jiangshi? 10:58:44 If you need a super-OOD for depths, acid bees can be incredibly nasty. :p 10:58:58 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:59:07 unfortunately, most 098 vaults can't really support using bands 11:00:10 if you want a super OOD for depths deprive players of their hard-earned survival tools 11:00:16 because that's what makes early killer bees deadly 11:00:51 I suppose that's vaguely addressed in the corrosion? 11:00:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:01:06 Jiangshi are good and interesting, but they don't come in the same numbers that bees do, and they don't hit as hard as bees do relative to depth. 11:01:20 that's definitely the idea behind the corrosion 11:02:07 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:49 I mean, just looking at those stats, they'd melt to lrd / clouds / fireball in a fashion that doesn't happen to early killer bees outside of, ahem, meph 11:06:06 I guess I just don't see the... uniqueness of adding acid bees? 11:06:20 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:06:52 it takes a lot more than corrosion to change the fact early you lack options, defenses and tools 11:13:13