00:00:00 but I guess they could use irradiate 00:00:01 or maybe write new code! 00:00:21 * Grunt shreds gammafunk like tissue paper!!! 00:00:37 I was thinking you could do something very silly like shifters 00:00:57 !xxx grunt 00:00:58 gammafunk gestures. 8 tentacled monstrosities appear! The tentacled monstrosity tentacle-slaps grunt! x8 00:01:15 I like to imagine 8 successive tentacle slaps for some reason 00:01:19 very loony tunes 00:01:22 PleasingFungus: IIRC that was the basic implementation I did way back when - abuse of shifter code 00:01:30 !shatter gammafunk 00:01:30 Grunt gestures wildly while chanting. The dungeon rumbles around Grunt! gammafunk shudders from the earth-shattering force. 00:02:23 monster forms spells seem really hard to make meaningful since it's just "become an entirely different monster" 00:02:57 and yeah giving it a bunch of forms makes it a limited shapeshifter 00:04:00 -!- mkbehr has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:04:41 yeah it would be a limited shifter, that was it 00:05:12 a carefully selected, artisanally pruned set of forms 00:05:30 (though ofc you could always add some spells that it keeps in all forms... not sure irradiate is a good fit) 00:06:04 imo land mon-spell-slots before you do that 00:06:14 ya, I was thinking about some comments from there 00:06:27 btw my refactors for that branched are stalled on code being hard :( 00:06:27 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:06:28 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:06:28 sorry 00:06:33 rip 00:06:48 !send PleasingFungus !brill 00:06:48 Sending !brill to PleasingFungus. 00:07:40 I really love that whoever wrote _player_hurt_monster felt they had to make an excuse for writing a utility function 00:08:15 !source _player_hurt_monster 00:08:16 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc;hb=HEAD#l1068 00:08:51 scroll up two lines 00:08:52 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1205-g505bced (34) 00:10:42 ooh bwr 00:10:49 must predate DCSS!!! 00:10:59 <3 00:11:01 hm 00:11:05 hm 00:11:33 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 00:13:07 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:13 hm 00:14:21 one of these days I'm gonna suppress my instinct to rebase while working on a remote branch 00:14:23 "oh well" 00:15:11 03PleasingFungus02 07[irradiate] * 0.16-a0-1206-ge0e2948: Add a temp param to holiness 10(3 hours ago, 5 files, 16+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0e294801a57 00:15:11 03PleasingFungus02 07[irradiate] * 0.16-a0-1207-g7678859: New spell: Irradiate 10(9 weeks ago, 8 files, 108+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7678859402ff 00:15:11 03PleasingFungus02 07[irradiate] * 0.16-a0-1208-g9ac8c27: Rework monster malmutation 10(16 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ac8c27a4440 00:15:19 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:16:06 those are a good 26 minuses. 00:16:28 god, just look at that removed code in the last commit. look at it. 00:17:14 -!- tmoiy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:17:29 huh, quad damage doesn't cause you to do quad damage to yourself 00:17:30 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:18:21 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1205-g505bced (34) 00:25:21 03PleasingFungus02 07[irradiate] * 0.16-a0-1209-g6adc907: Tidy up an unused parameter 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6adc907d9315 00:27:37 -!- caricature has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:48 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1205-g505bced 00:41:05 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:41:27 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:13 -!- Kramin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:45:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:47:24 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:47:24 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:47:46 -!- soadzombi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:49:48 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:05 -!- caricature has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:56:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:56:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:23 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:04:44 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:08:59 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:15:34 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:16:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:18:33 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:21:34 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:41 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:33:19 -!- GhostSonOfGhost has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 01:33:45 -!- Noom_afk has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:37:42 -!- Alpha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:38:12 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:44:27 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:45:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:12 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53:37 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:00:02 -!- soadzombi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:04:15 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:18:33 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1205-g505bced (34) 02:18:49 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:19:32 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:27:29 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:32:07 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:33:34 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:39 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:35:12 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:46:03 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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Use !messages to read it. 04:10:24 dck mumbles some strange words. The singularity violently warps Grunt! 04:11:27 !tell Grunt G G G GRUNT are salamanders still going to be a thing 04:11:28 dck: OK, I'll let grunt know. 04:11:34 !tell Grunt question mark 04:11:34 dck: OK, I'll let grunt know. 04:13:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:15 -!- Hailley has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:04 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:18:31 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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ZZZzzz…] 08:56:16 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:28 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:00:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:48 oh. I noticed an odd thing the other day; a guy walked onto a tile and autopicked up two nets, then another net. seemed like they weren't stacked properly 09:01:59 will try and replicate it, maybe 09:02:15 <|amethyst> I imagine that would happen if one of the nets had been trapping something 09:02:31 <|amethyst> I don't think escaping from a net makes it merge with other nets on the ground 09:02:40 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:03:16 <|amethyst> yeah, just verified 09:03:17 yeah. checked; you can replicate this by killing a thing while it's in a net, too 09:03:41 not the biggest bug, I suppose 09:05:19 oh. |amethyst, you saw I tossed up an irradiate branch? 09:06:12 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:12 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah 09:07:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I'm not sure I follow this: 09:07:19 <|amethyst> - HD penalty added; -10% stack, to max of -50%. Applies after 09:07:19 <|amethyst> draining, to avoid undue synergy. 09:07:24 <|amethyst> oh 09:07:31 <|amethyst> draining isn't a percent 09:07:34 <|amethyst> never mind 09:07:42 <|amethyst> s/a percent/multiplicative/ 09:10:00 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:00 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:45 -!- Alpha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:12:50 yeah, I could have been more explicit about that 09:12:51 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:51 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:02 maybe I'll touch up the message before it goes into master 09:13:22 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14:40 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:16:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I'd probably use calc_dice rather than dividing die size by hand 09:16:02 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:15 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: could even use calcdice_calculator but maybe that's overkill 09:16:36 can't use calcdice_calculator without including beam.cc, I think 09:16:50 <|amethyst> oh 09:17:05 but calc_dice is a good call 09:17:09 <|amethyst> I supposed moving that for this one case isn't worth it 09:17:24 <|amethyst> s/osed/ose/ 09:17:35 I strongly suspect that there are a bunch of cases in spl-damage.cc that could benefit from it 09:17:57 yeah, just search around that file for uses of calc_dice 09:18:01 <|amethyst> another reason is that your version can go over "max_" damage 09:18:07 oh, rounding? 09:18:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, if the division rounds up 09:18:14 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:21 oops 09:18:43 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:08 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:20:28 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:06 -!- TendaAway is now known as FatShack 09:22:30 -!- wat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:23:08 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: also, I'm not sure the form/undead restrictions are needed? 09:26:59 form stuff is flavor and can be cut (I'm already a little worried about the antisynergy & slippery slide into also banning ice form, etc) 09:27:10 not sure about undead stuff 09:27:10 <|amethyst> oh 09:27:19 <|amethyst> I thought the flavour came from the restrictions 09:27:22 oh, no 09:27:28 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:33 <|amethyst> Because I'm not a huge fan of the flavour either :) 09:27:35 ouch 09:27:38 rip 09:27:44 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:00 <|amethyst> transmuting a layer of skin into energy ought to reduce the AC from scales etc :) 09:28:10 it's like 09:28:12 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:28:17 a fantasy atom's thickness of skin 09:28:24 but I couldn't say an atom for obv reasons 09:28:42 the thing with contam is that it's goofy fantasy sci-fi. mutations, glowing in the dark, etc - "magical radiation" 09:29:18 <|amethyst> I think just "sending out a burst of radiation" is Trm enough without having to say you transmuted something into it 09:29:36 and it would make more sense considering that armour exists 09:29:38 but it's less fun :( 09:29:50 well, I can remove the form restrictions in any case 09:30:10 -!- Sigurd is now known as Guest60108 09:30:21 a little nervous about letting undead play around with glow mechanics too much, though ofc they already have haste/invis... maybe I'm being overcautious 09:30:58 <|amethyst> they still get explosions etc 09:31:02 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31:04 <|amethyst> they just get rot instead of mutations 09:31:09 rot and stat-drain 09:31:23 <|amethyst> you could always get up to yellow/red glow then go lichform 09:31:40 <|amethyst> so preventing casting in lichform doesn't solve that 09:31:41 well, there are certainly risks there 09:32:06 since it's very possible that you'll explode midway through your plan 09:32:42 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:49 well. if it's abusable, we can take actions 09:32:55 *excessively abusable 09:32:59 a little abuse is ok :) 09:33:06 er. in context of crawl spell effectiveness 09:33:24 <|amethyst> I don't hear about liches staying invis/hasted so I don't think there's too much to worry about 09:33:38 <|amethyst> could make one effect of glowsplosions "revert to normal form" 09:33:57 03PleasingFungus02 07[irradiate] * 0.16-a0-1210-g44e18f9: Use calcdice (|amethyst) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44e18f9f5eca 09:34:00 <|amethyst> (not guaranteed, just one of the possible effects) 09:34:35 invis while glowing isn't very good anyway 09:34:38 heh 09:34:46 would that actually help? unless it returned you to normal form and *then* malmuted you... but yeah, I don't hear much about liches abusing contam right now (though maybe minmay could correct me on that) 09:34:47 <|amethyst> oh right 09:34:58 03PleasingFungus02 07[irradiate] * 0.16-a0-1211-g3eff1ab: Remove flavour restrictions on Irradiate 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3eff1ab32184 09:35:36 rot's a real consequence for that. you could always turn up the rot amount, as an added bonus making mumies worse 09:35:48 rip mummies 09:35:59 idk. I think I'm willing to wait and see on this. 09:36:04 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:09 possibly keeping that absurd minmay zigsprint tv too much in mind. 09:36:19 ?? irradiate 09:36:19 irradiate[1/1]: L5 Tm/Cj. Does nontrivial damage to all adjacent enemies, at the cost of significant contam (zero to yellow in 2-4 casts). Themed as transmuting a thin layer of skin into magic, so doesn't work for undead or stone-skinned characters. 09:36:35 !learn e irradiate[1 s/Themed.*// 09:36:35 irradiate[1/1]: L5 Tm/Cj. Does nontrivial damage to all adjacent enemies, at the cost of significant contam (zero to yellow in 2-4 casts). 09:36:42 <|amethyst> hm, hydra form clarification is confusing 09:36:49 %git :/ehead 09:36:50 Could not find commit :/ehead (git returned 128) 09:36:54 hm 09:37:00 <|amethyst> "unlike real hydras, the caster will not heal if one of 09:37:01 <|amethyst> their heads is lopped off, though, unless cauterized by a flaming weapon" 09:37:05 augh 09:37:06 that's an... interesting combination of spell schools 09:37:08 I knew that sentence was too long 09:37:13 <|amethyst> I realise there's more, but it's garden-path 09:37:23 I will clarify the clarification. 09:38:14 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:14 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:51 The spell is flawed. Like real hydras, the caster will sprout new heads when decapitated, unless the wound is cauterized by flame. Unlike real hydras, though, this provides no healing. If all of the caster's heads are lopped off, the form will end. 09:40:05 ehhh 09:40:15 <|amethyst> I would move the "flawed" bit after the "Like..." sentence now 09:41:03 <|amethyst> Like real hydras...flame. However, because of a flaw in the spell, growing new heads does not provide healing as it does for real hydras. 09:41:24 <|amethyst> s/provide healing/heal the caster/ s/for// 09:41:42 lopping off real hydra heads heals the caster? 09:41:46 :p 09:41:48 <|amethyst> :P 09:42:01 Like real hydras, the caster will sprout new heads when decapitated, unless the wound is cauterized by flame. However, because of a flaw in the spell, growing new heads does not provide healing, as it does for real hydras. If all of the caster's heads are lopped off, the form will end. 09:42:05 so many commas 09:42:12 <|amethyst> Sorry, I'm comma-heavy 09:42:16 may take out the bit about the flaw 09:42:28 it's mostly just a IOOD joke anyway 09:42:30 <|amethyst> and could remove the comma before "as" with no real loss 09:42:49 survivable, I guess 09:43:09 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:11 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:44 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:45:40 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1206-g02846e5: Clarify the decapitation clarification (|amethyst) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=02846e54a8cf 09:45:43 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:51:34 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 09:51:42 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20141004030203]] 09:58:53 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:55 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:06:03 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:06:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:07 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:14 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:18 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:16 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:16 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:18 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:16:15 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:15 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:12 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:28:16 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:16 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:38 -!- efhn has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 10:34:31 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:53 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:04 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:43 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:39 dpeg impostor spotted 10:40:54 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:41:16 Don't listen to this dpeg scoundrel, he's been trying to infiltrate, sabotage and corrupt innocent roguelike games for years on end! 10:41:40 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:42:20 <|amethyst> FR: an innocent roguelike game with no killing (or theft) 10:43:18 what would it have, then? 10:43:22 -!- dpeg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:45 <|amethyst> You scoop up the field mouse. You bop it on the head! 10:43:50 <|amethyst> A good fairy appears. 10:43:55 last attempt, freaking bad windows connection 10:43:59 I know. You enter a dungeon, only to find out that every creature has already been mysteriously murdered. 10:44:22 could have a robot finding a kitten 10:44:31 that's been done before 10:44:33 <|amethyst> Zaba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq8Ghej--8A 10:44:50 hah 10:44:50 You enter a field. You can (a) pick a poppy seed, (b) rescue an upside beetle, (c) ruin this year's harvest. 10:45:16 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:54 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:45:55 dpeg__: you don't need two Gozag altars!! 10:45:58 :( 10:46:29 \nick d$$$ 10:46:36 \nick dpegold 10:46:44 \nick dpegozag 10:47:10 Gozag altars often come with more $$$! 10:47:18 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:47:29 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:56 for me I think those are fedhas altars, he's light green 10:48:21 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:48:22 mm point taken 10:48:30 (dark green here, so even better!) 10:49:52 -!- fridurmus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:53:37 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:53:59 -!- Guest60108 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:55:35 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:57:19 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:57:43 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:13 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:18 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:05:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:08:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:50 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:09:02 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:09:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:10:03 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:47 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:18 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:14:10 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:26 .elrank 11:14:26 1059 games for * (br=lair lvl>2 lvl<8 kmap!~entry kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_ kmap!~altar kmap!=): 68x bobbens_ice_dragon_lair, 48x ice2_lemuel, 46x gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake, 43x dragon1_lemuel, 41x dpeg_oklob_gauntlet, 38x minmay_lindwurm_lava, 37x forest_paths, 35x minmay_lair_drake_nest, 33x kilobyte_rumbling_trees, 30x worms_lemuel, 24x minmay_lair_venomous_thicket, 24x grunt_megastairs_2, ... 11:15:42 !firestorm gammafunk 11:15:42 Grunt points at gammafunk and mumbles some strange words. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs gammafunk! 11:16:03 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:16:48 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:49 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:17:06 is tome of destruction intended to be usable under ru with sac artifice? 11:17:12 !dragonscall Grunt 11:17:12 gammafunk calls out to the draconic realm, and the dragon horde roars back! The golden dragon tramples Grunt!!! x3 11:17:23 hrm, probably not 11:17:32 ??tome_of_destruction 11:17:32 tome of destruction[1/1]: Casts random conjurations when read. Power depends on evocation skill. Also explodes on occasion. You might also (un)luckily get a random freezing/poisonous cloud, or a hostile small abomination. The page's writing has no bearing on the spell produced. 11:17:32 johnny0: good news: it's still not usable! 11:17:33 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:17:33 !tornado gammafunk 11:17:33 Grunt mumbles some strange words. A great vortex of air appears and lifts Grunt up! gammafunk is engulfed in raging winds. 11:18:05 zero power tome still has its uses i guess (fog, clouds, tele) 11:18:22 I hope reaver didn't botch this new mutation commit, because I'm using it as a model 11:18:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:18:33 uh oh, new mutation 11:18:35 is there a reasonable webdiff? 11:19:01 like 11:19:02 depends on what you mean by that. just a website to highligh diffs in patches? 11:19:12 %commit 7ad26a952 11:19:21 %git 7ad26a952 11:19:21 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1185-g7ad26a9: New mutation: Forlorn 10(4 months ago, 7 files, 26+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ad26a9524e2 11:19:29 I remember there is a bot in here that can tell you about commits, but I forget how it works 11:19:36 ok cool 11:19:37 nrook: like that ^ 11:19:40 yeah this is precisely what I want 11:19:59 Forlorn is precisely what you want? I never want forlorn 11:20:03 bad reaverb! 11:20:16 !send gammafunk placid magic 11:20:16 Sending placid magic to gammafunk. 11:20:17 it reflects the turmoil in my soul 11:20:38 but actually it's my rad new bad mutation idea: spells are slower to cast but have higher power 11:21:39 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:46 nrook: Might want to be careful with trying to meddle with Crawl timing. 11:21:52 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:57 See: My attempt to make blurry vision work like that. 11:22:18 I have no fear 11:22:24 maybe I should have more fear 11:22:24 %git :/lurry vision 11:22:24 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-975-g6df881b: Revert "Make blurry vision mut cause scroll reading to take more time." 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 20+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6df881bab6b4 11:22:37 I think this doesn't have the same hazards of blurry vision, exactly 11:22:38 precisely what went wrong when you were trying to change blurry vision? 11:22:49 nrook: the time was taken after the effect kicked in, not before 11:22:49 nrook: That's not "this is hard code-wise". It's "timing has a lot of weird effects which might make for bad gameplay" 11:23:09 so e.g. if reading ?tele took 4 delay, it could end up firing immediately 11:23:12 <|amethyst> so, for example, Blink under this new regime would be no worse 11:23:12 iirc 11:23:19 yeah 11:23:21 <|amethyst> because you can't be hit *while* casting it 11:23:22 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23:34 but I think there are a lot of spells that are hurt by taking longer to cast 11:23:38 whereas there are relatively few scrolls 11:23:38 I think that's fine 11:24:08 I think most characters would be very sad to have 50% slower spells, even if they were 50% more powerful 11:24:17 esp since 50% isn't actually 50% (hi stepdown) 11:24:21 <|amethyst> also 11:24:37 <|amethyst> +50% and -50% works out to -25% 11:24:47 <|amethyst> even if it were linear 11:25:30 also I'm not sure this mutation is a good idea, since it sounds like it occurs with every cast 11:25:37 Didn't we remove the slow move mutation 11:25:39 there's a reason haste is kinda overpowered for casters 11:25:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:25:49 "You wasted at least one charge getting the wand working." - since the "zapped" count tells you how many you wasted, can it just say "you wasted two charges" etc ? 11:26:04 I don't think the math works out that way. Say your spell does 10 damage. Doing 10 damage over 1 aut is precisely as efficient as doing 15 damage over 1.5 aut 11:26:04 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:22 <|amethyst> nrook: that's not 50% slower, that's 33% slower :) 11:26:43 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:52 <|amethyst> well 11:26:58 rchandra: the zapped count is an "at least" 11:27:01 nrook: (Also its better if you kill the enemey with a single empowered spell because then it dies before those 1.5 auts) 11:27:10 yeah then it's better 11:27:22 yes, it's not wrong - it's just adding busywork 11:27:36 <|amethyst> I would say make it 200% power at 150% delay 11:27:38 oh I see 11:27:59 <|amethyst> so that it's a net positive but there is a drawback 11:28:12 that's a bit confusing but I guess consistent with invis or offscreen enemies using wands 11:28:30 <|amethyst> 150% power at 150% delay seems like it would be worse because you do the same DPT but have fewer opportunities to change tactics 11:28:37 <|amethyst> worse than not having it 11:28:45 |amethyst: this was intended to be a bad mutation 11:28:48 <|amethyst> ohh 11:29:19 I prefer double-edged mutations to be good mutations but I guess it doesn't matter too much. 11:29:42 and let me precisely say what the timing is: This mutation will apply an enhancer to all spells, but will cause them to incur 50% more delay than normal 11:29:57 well wiz+ spellpower- is a great mutation for anyone but a dedicated blaster 11:30:10 I had a bunch of ideas for double-edged bad mutations because I was brainstorming tomb curses, but pf pointed out double-edged mutations make no sense as curses 11:30:11 Bloaxor: often contested on the forum 11:30:15 (I think you are right.) 11:30:21 wiz- spellpower+ is a really bad mutation for anyone except characters with amazing spellcasting abilities 11:30:41 yet respectively they're a bad mutation and a good mutation 11:30:44 nrook: no, of course not. Go with bad, very bad and really bad mutations for curses instead. 11:30:53 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:31:05 so I decided I'd just code up cool double-edged bad mutations until I ran out of ideas 11:31:13 <3 11:31:44 fits with my attention span too :p I can stop whenever I want without losing part of the contribution 11:31:53 well I think we've accrued a lot of badmutes that are bad in a highly impactful way, and we need to think about how we want the random mutation sources like !mutation and purple meat to behave 11:31:53 Could add the double edged effects to randarts or something. 11:32:02 ^ 11:32:35 -!- morphix0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:34:39 rchandra: yeah, consistent with invisible or offscreen enemies was my thinking. 11:34:41 I think we can add cool bad mutations without first Fixing Dungeon Crawl's Random Mutations Forever 11:34:54 huh 11:36:36 double edged mutations would make a lot of sense for cursed item (not monster curses) 11:36:36 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:43 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:55 I have some ideas for this, but not a full plan (didn't expect this to be 0.16 stuff) 11:37:06 yeah thematically I think they are fine there, lots of double-edged enhancements on mythical blades and stuff 11:37:31 double-edged blades, huh 11:37:37 pun alert! 11:37:46 minmay pointed out a while back that instances of random mutation from the two sources have changed a lot because of recent bad mutations 11:37:56 (I mean cursed items in general, as effects beyond sticky curses... but again, don't rush it, just add cool mutations :) 11:38:12 so.... how is it determined whether a mutation is good or bad (in the code)? 11:38:26 gammafunk: The risk/reward ratio or the actual chances of getting a good or bad mutation? 11:38:27 and I agree with him, and we certainly should think about how we want those sources to function 11:38:34 the former 11:38:57 nrook: you mean, how do we decide which category to put mutations in? 11:39:22 PleasingFungus: no, I mean, how do I make a new mutation bad instead of good 11:39:24 oh 11:39:36 in terms of "which characters do I insert into text files and then commit into a vcs system" 11:39:40 MUTFLAG_BAD 11:39:45 instead of MUTFLAG_GOOD 11:39:49 I don't see any such lines in the reaver commit I'm copying :p 11:40:04 mutation were refactored since then IIRC 11:40:04 nrook: yes, that is right. But we still want more interesting mutations, so don't stop adding good ones (as in good ideas, not necessarily good mutations). 11:40:10 look at mutation-data.h 11:40:19 and like. any mut there, really 11:40:20 and some comment was removed that I still need to move back. 11:40:21 I don't think we're trying to converge on a situation 11:40:27 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:28 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:40 where rmut becomes essential endgame or even postgame 11:40:41 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:42 PleasingFungus: oh yeah this is the right place 11:42:26 gammafunk: sure, agreed 11:42:43 gotta be careful about making malmut too nasty 11:42:53 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:22 we can have slightly more complex rules for assigning badmuts I guess, not sure, but of course that's an entirely new can of worms 11:43:33 mm? 11:44:06 !send gammafunk mutation worms 11:44:06 Sending mutation worms to gammafunk. 11:44:25 hrm, wonder when hangedman is implementing his new brain worms 11:45:08 his last estimate was that he'd be back to crawl dev (not crawl-dev) in nov, iirc 11:46:06 good! 11:46:38 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:47 dpeg__: *two* underscores?! 11:46:53 who is this imposter! 11:46:54 one is not enough! 11:46:58 -!- PleasingFungus is now known as Pleasin_______ 11:47:01 dang 11:47:10 pretty pleasin 11:47:18 <|amethyst> underscores are actually characteristic 0 11:47:20 Fill in the blank... 11:47:24 <|amethyst> err 11:47:25 <|amethyst> 2 11:47:32 he's just underscoring his position 11:47:35 <|amethyst> so dpeg_ is an imposter but dpeg__ is the real thing 11:47:44 -!- Pleasin_______ is now known as dpeg 11:47:50 ha! ha! 11:47:54 -!- dpeg is now known as PleasingFungus 11:50:13 oh. I was thinking about ignite poison 11:50:13 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:32 I had an idea that might work for making it a good/fun spell 11:50:54 well, two ideas 11:51:21 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:28 Reasons for liking crawl: You won't put on a cursed -8 pair of gauntlets of fumbling 11:51:43 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:53:06 PleasingFungus: what are they? 11:54:42 basically both ideas revolve around triggering off the 'poisoned' condition, to make it a "poison synergy/combo spell" rather than a "maybe destroy spider/snake/hive" spell 11:55:21 ...the anticipation grows 11:55:21 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:33 idea A is to spark a cloud of flame on all poisoned monsters in LOS (trading away the poisoned condition and possibly also doing some direct/immediate fire damage?) 11:56:17 idea B is to turn it into a (smite?) targeted spell that triggers an inner flame-like effect on the targeted poisoned monster: explosion & flame clouds in a square around them 11:57:15 either way, it should almost certainly be fire / poison or fire/ tmut / poison, so that poison casters would actually reasonably consider using it; might lower the level, esp in the latter case 11:58:22 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00:49 well, would definitely lower it in the latter case (I'd lean towards fire/poison but nrook likes the fire/tmut/poison thing) 12:01:05 PleasingFungus: so delayed damage instead of immediate damage? 12:02:04 well, the main contrast with the current ignite poison is the targets it effects (& the schools, I think) 12:05:24 I think either is an improvement. The current spell is very simple-minded in execution and use. 12:05:24 well since we have inner flame, which is also in the fire school, option 2 sounds less good 12:05:24 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1206-g02846e5 (34) 12:05:24 yeah 12:05:24 I presume you mean it would do this explosion instantly though? 12:05:24 yeah 12:05:24 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:39 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:39 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:06:39 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 12:07:00 I'm wonder how this interacts with e.g. pcloud and OTR 12:07:07 my thought was that, like monster ignite poison, casting the spell would wipe out the poison status 12:07:20 gammafunk: in terms of the clouds or in terms of the synergy? 12:07:23 PleasingFungus: ah, nice 12:07:24 synergy 12:07:46 just because it's easy with those spells to apply some poison to tons of monsters 12:08:02 my hope was that, in fact, it would interact well, since that is the entire point of having a multi-school multi-spell combo 12:08:16 option B would be easier to limit the synergy, though 12:08:19 yeah sure, but it shouldn't be *too* synergistic 12:08:25 since you can only explode one monster at a time with B 12:08:27 also ya 12:08:39 oh yeah 12:08:41 one monster 12:08:55 yeah actually since we have a lot of AOE 12:08:56 in poison 12:09:03 I kind of like B more now that I think about it 12:09:06 I like full area affect better than targeting. 12:09:10 :) 12:09:10 haha 12:09:27 hahaha 12:09:29 (note: I have no underscores in my name and in fact have a +, so my opinion is better) 12:09:34 dang!!! 12:09:52 dpeg__: it's just harder to balance AOE spells against each other 12:09:58 I mean smite targetting is really powerful 12:10:04 * Grunt ponders what his opinion is worth <_< 12:10:05 it is less fun UI of course 12:10:48 Grunt: three wheals, or two rchandras and a brannock 12:10:58 That's... oddly specific :) 12:11:00 (imperial brannocks, not metric, ofc) 12:11:17 gammafunk: which is less fun UI? 12:11:32 smite targetting compared to "just cast it" 12:11:49 less fun for the player 12:11:55 yeah 12:12:02 oh. I personally felt like smite targeting would be more fun 12:12:07 more "physical" 12:12:22 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:12:49 dpeg__: I'm not sure it's great to have multiple all-los spells in poison 12:13:34 hrm, this is a radicial change for the spells utility in snake, either way 12:13:46 -!- dck has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:14:00 yeah. I'm fine with that 12:14:25 yeah no problem there, of course, it's still good in most places 12:14:47 until ~extended~ (but let's be honest, it wasn't good in extended before either) 12:15:11 (and not all level 5 spells have to be good in extended, much less lower level spells, if we end up lowering its level in this change) 12:15:20 w/e, either of PleasingFungus' ideas would be an improvement 12:16:10 dpeg__: Well I'm curious as to your thinking on that issue. I think of the other elemental schools, and they all tend to have one all-los spell at most? 12:16:23 Ice has at least 2 12:16:42 that's probably wrong, but let's see: Ice has refridge and 12:16:48 what is the second? 12:16:48 oh, metabolic englaciation 12:16:51 the spell that no one remembers about 12:16:54 ah, ok 12:17:03 the second haste that stacks with haste 12:17:04 actually 12:17:05 yeah, not a damaging spell, but it is all los 12:17:10 poison already has two all-los spells 12:17:17 (which is only more reason to not give it a third!) 12:17:34 otr and ignite poison and? 12:17:43 ignite poison isn't currently poison 12:17:47 but alistair's is 12:17:47 grrr 12:17:55 ha ha ha 12:19:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:39 yeah I'll vote for B (remember, just ignore my vote anyhow) 12:19:56 /ignore gammafunk 12:19:56 ??B 12:19:57 I don't have a page labeled B in my learndb. Did you mean: ', 6, be, d, q, qb, t, u, v, ©, ☡, 🌽, 🍕. 12:19:58 oops, typo 12:20:02 :) 12:20:09 ??' 12:20:10 swap slot[1/1]: Press = (equals key), and use it to re-letter two of your weapons to "a" and "b". Then press ' (apostrophe key) to swap between them! This is excellent for secondary things like missile weapons, rods, etc. If either slot is a non-wield item, the toggle will be between the opposing slot and unarmed. If not wielding slot a or b, ' will swap to a. 12:20:16 ... 12:20:26 is anyone ever going to do that 12:20:28 air magic doesn't have an all-los spell 12:20:29 people forget about ' waaaaay to much 12:20:42 minmay: yeah I was kind of counting tornado there 12:20:42 sure but 12:20:43 is anyone gonna do ??' 12:20:47 except me, I guess, just now 12:20:48 but tornado isn't an all-los spell!!!! 12:21:06 it's all-los-like 12:21:06 fair enough, I'm not sure how its range works 12:21:07 minmay: nighstalker reasons 12:21:08 i guess it is for a turn or two if you have reduced LOS radius 12:21:09 like a roguelike 12:21:30 tornado-like-like 12:21:39 PleasingFungus: yeah but, crawl is a roguelike, you can't say crawl is rogue 12:21:47 chainlightning is also sort-of all-los, CBL if you really stretch 12:22:00 spelunky is a roguelikelike 12:22:02 those two go out of LOS 12:22:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:22:15 anyway, as always, minmay is right. 12:22:22 effin minmay 12:22:24 although chain lightning gets its damage halved while out of los (????????) 12:22:28 haha what 12:22:32 that's uh 12:22:50 that's *like* not making it abusable for out-of-los nonsense 12:23:29 crawlcode 12:23:33 also http://i.imgur.com/EjNVpQu.png 12:23:51 new infiniplex castle sometimes makes there be no elf killhole possible 12:23:54 on elf:3 12:24:14 good 12:24:25 also I thought you were sending your cool sprite 12:24:52 Yeah the sprite attracts a lot more attention than the "lack of an elf killhole" :D 12:25:09 that's not a sprite, that's a real-life picture of me 12:25:28 reaverb: you didn't notice the giant elf castle?! 12:25:37 the castle is pretty rad 12:25:51 I like the vestigial geoelf on the sides 12:26:42 %git f364055c 12:26:42 07greensnark02 * f364055c63c9: Reduce delay for wearing shields. Chain lightning weakens greatly when it goes out of LOS of the caster. 10(8 years ago, 2 files, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f364055c63c9 12:26:51 layout could probably use some better placement when the full castle is made; most of the time it's just a half-castle 12:27:14 good commit message 12:27:30 and "influence" 12:28:40 if this game is still being developed 8 years from now, just think of the derision our commit messages will receive from the cyber-devs 12:29:11 Simplify. 12:29:15 crawl 0.ff will be a true model of perfection 12:29:20 "Also..." 12:29:25 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:29:44 Add formatting fixes. 12:29:46 <_< >_> 12:29:58 does that mean we're currently on 0.0f? 12:30:05 Anyway would it be good if chain lightning just didn't do anything out of LOS? 12:30:12 or 0.10, depending on your indexing 12:30:20 Could add a blurb to the description like is done with OOD 12:30:30 reaverb: probably I would make it just not arc to enemies out of LOS of the caster 12:30:44 I don't know that it needs to be mentioned in the description 12:31:10 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:14 unless you feel it's really important for nikola to be able to chain-lightning summoners' guys to hit summoner players while they're not in LOS? 12:31:59 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:02