00:01:21 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:44 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15.1-3-g1b33baa 00:02:07 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:02:13 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140911064110]] 00:09:52 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:09:57 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-984-g7a3a96c (34) 00:13:01 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15.1-3-g1b33baa (34) 00:31:44 -!- tictactoe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:54 mm the grunt work is done, and I'm part way through the finicky stuff, but sleep beckons 00:35:59 gammafunk: btw guess who will be my test subject 00:36:12 ...lom lobon! 00:36:40 For the frequency part, yes :) 00:36:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:37:07 But this code does more, like having enemies be able to have both spells and invocations 00:37:27 ah, so asterion 00:37:34 Right again! 00:37:48 <3 00:42:40 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:43:13 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:18 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:50:36 interesting 00:51:04 -!- Amy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:54:26 heresyyy 00:54:31 * ontoclasm hisses 00:56:39 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:59:52 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:02:02 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:02:29 -!- schistosoma has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:03 -!- mkbehr has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:33 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-985-g4a9242f: Scalemail doll tiles (Bloax) 10(4 minutes ago, 5 files, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a9242f8b5d4 01:08:56 -!- mong has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:16:04 since we revived 3x-swords are we reviving splint mail? 01:17:33 also (rock) banded mail 01:19:22 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:19:27 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:50 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:34 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:29:15 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:29:52 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38:31 -!- titanjones_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:19 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:49 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:40:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:44:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:28 hm 01:46:02 not sure if it's already been reported, but an ~xl16 mi ghost is stated to have '.' 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it is probably the old ghost mr bug, yes. 07:00:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: zzzzzz] 07:01:57 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:06 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:12 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:12:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:39 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:00 -!- Oxybeles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:32:40 Basil: i think pghost MR is just really dumb 07:33:12 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:33:57 oh, never mind 07:34:09 it is really dumb, but that's not quite all that's happening 07:34:54 mm? 07:35:02 %bug 7296 07:35:02 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7296 07:35:10 uh 07:35:19 that's a bug about android keyboards 07:36:05 oop 07:36:05 %bug 7269 07:36:05 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7269 07:36:05 doesn't it key off of XL? 07:36:12 a little slow today, chei 07:36:36 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:37:57 this would also fix display of levelled-up monsters that haven't actually turned into a new monster yet, too 07:39:54 looks like xv is also wrong about nonbase purple dracs 07:40:03 heh 07:40:08 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:10 god, monsters with classes are 07:40:11 such a hack 07:40:21 I'm handling them right now and man 07:41:10 <|amethyst> hm 07:41:18 <|amethyst> for ghost xv 07:41:22 <|amethyst> I see two options 07:41:54 <|amethyst> 1. invert the ghost rank to get an approximate XL (within 3 of the true value) 07:41:57 <|amethyst> or 07:42:06 <|amethyst> 2. store the actual XL in the mon_info (and make it available to the player) 07:42:21 <|amethyst> since people can just look up morgues I don't think 2 would be a problem 07:42:28 another option: store the actual MR in ghost_demon 07:42:40 since people probably assume that's what happens 07:42:49 at least, i did until a few minutes ago 07:43:38 <|amethyst> maybe not the *actual* MR because you probably wouldn't want dying under Vuln to result in a lower-MR ghost 07:43:45 why not? 07:43:51 dying under corr gets you a lower ac ghost 07:44:03 <|amethyst> dying under berserk doesn't give you a higher HP ghost 07:44:14 <|amethyst> or at least ISTR code to avoid that 07:44:50 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:51 true, but running boots do make your ghost faster 07:45:55 so it's quite inconsistent 07:46:37 runboots should adjust movespeed, not actual speed, yes 07:46:39 for ghosts 07:46:46 move energy cost, you know 07:46:59 that has been on my todo list literally since i have been a dev 07:47:10 monster energy :( 07:47:36 dang 07:47:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:03 i think the exception for HP is since it would just make such ridiculous ghosts 07:48:26 God Bless 07:51:21 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-986-g8733f38: Actually make pandemonium lord see invisible show up right. 10(34 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8733f38a3dd0 07:51:43 oh i guess MR doesn't depend on HD anyway for non-ghost_demons now 07:52:11 <|amethyst> wheals: it does if it's negative 07:52:29 i mean, the only monsters with negative ones are ghost_demons according to the commit 07:52:44 mm, and zombies 07:53:53 <|amethyst> I guess draining was too good? 07:54:50 I forget, what's the syntax for giving monsters more than one item? 07:54:57 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-987-gffc47b1: Approximate player ghost monster_info MR (#7269) 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 31+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffc47b1fe4d8 07:54:59 comma? 07:55:00 . 07:55:01 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: goblin ; dagger . robe 07:55:18 ty both :) 07:55:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 07:56:16 hm, and how about pan lords? 07:57:10 not really clear what we should do there, either... 07:57:10 <|amethyst> do one of the other two things 07:57:10 <|amethyst> store HD in the monster_info (but then it's public) or store MR there 07:57:13 <|amethyst> but 07:57:47 <|amethyst> monster_info is supposed to be public 07:57:51 <|amethyst> so I guess you could store the rank 07:58:06 <|amethyst> anyway, must go 07:58:16 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:00:42 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-988-gdfead93: Give the same MR to players and monsters from Trog's Hand. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfead932c0bd 08:00:45 -!- dgu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:03:58 -!- Amnesthesia is now known as Amnesthedactyl 08:05:22 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11:06 -!- Oxybeles has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:12:30 wow, what a vicious buff 08:13:50 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:16:44 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:17:42 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:19:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:07 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:29:23 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 08:29:46 wheals: you have people talking to you in mantis 08:29:50 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5169#c27405 08:30:19 i saw 08:32:25 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 08:37:26 -!- joy1999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:40:52 !source beam.cc:4927 08:40:53 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l4927 08:41:14 This... looks like beams ignore a bunch of effects on ev, like constriction, paralysis, etc? 08:41:44 someone tell me if I'm crazy 08:44:19 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:44:44 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:47:17 btw EV_IGNORE_HELPLESS is used in exactly one place, for monsters: setting felid corpse zombie EV 08:48:42 PleasingFungus: wait, do helpless creatures raised as zombies typically have zero ev 08:48:55 no 08:49:22 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:30 hm 08:49:52 actually, I was wrong. EV_IGNORE_HELPLESS is literally never used for monsters 08:49:56 ty, Wensley 08:50:17 -!- Jesse__ is now known as doubtofbuddha 08:52:10 it's my job to ask the hard questions 08:52:26 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:12 FR: a library wizlab styled after a sif worshipper. let troggies put that burn book ability to good use 08:53:24 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:46 actually, a vault full of books could be a neat alternative to the hall of blades 08:54:00 though probably more valuable 08:54:06 we just need some really shitty books 08:54:46 ??book of envenomations 08:54:47 book of envenomations[1/1]: Spider Form, Poison Weapon, Olgreb's Toxic Radiance, Poisonous Cloud 08:54:50 wow 08:54:52 "You see here a Well-worn Manual Of Traps" 08:55:12 (a) A Manual of Stabbing. Ouch! 08:55:35 Well-worn can be a new book property, where on manuals it just gives you less overall training and on spellbooks it causes the book to disintegrate after any spell is learned from it 08:55:55 I actually really like the idea of a one-use spellbook 08:56:03 pamphlets, clearly 08:56:05 PleasingFungus: maybe we can call them 08:56:06 damn! 08:56:09 beat me to it :P 08:56:10 ha ha ha ha 08:56:14 8) 08:56:52 it conjures the idea of sif worshipers going door-to-door, handing out literature 08:58:55 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:10 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:44 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:08 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:04:43 hm. do shields currently add to monster AC? 09:05:21 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:05:46 yes 09:05:49 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:05:59 is this a bug? 09:06:03 my inclination is "yes" 09:06:28 do monsters even have the notion of sh 09:06:32 -!- fridurmus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:06:46 or is it just like, straight chance to block depending on shield type 09:07:31 oh nvm I'm wrong re shields giving ac to monsters 09:07:38 ok 09:07:40 good 09:12:41 yay, i found a reference for arbalests 09:12:42 https://38.media.tumblr.com/4ec3e3b50f8af176c2294cbe484e36de/tumblr_nchk77Ec9R1sn3ne4o1_500.jpg 09:14:10 still holding out for a ballista that only GSC-wielding races can equip 09:14:24 mm 09:14:29 it can fire javelins 09:14:35 giant spikeed crossbow 09:14:44 it can fire GSCs 09:15:01 it can fire halflings 09:16:15 -!- tswett_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:37 !lg * won crace=tr|og sk=crossbow 09:18:39 1. nht the Trollish Arbalest (L27 TrBe of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-03-11 00:55:13, with 10383394 points after 161609 turns and 14:06:46. 09:19:02 !apt tr crossbow 09:19:02 Tr (SK_CROSSBOWS)=-4* 09:19:13 hyper brutal 09:20:00 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:20:57 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:26:34 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31:23 -!- fridurmus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:07 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:52 -!- stonage has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-989-g1e90754: De-anonymize zombies 10(10 hours ago, 4 files, 10+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e9075421c51 09:39:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-990-g53847a3: Remove monster AC state 10(85 minutes ago, 15 files, 253+ 149-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53847a399e4e 09:39:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-991-g18cf4eb: Remove monster EV state 10(4 minutes ago, 15 files, 174+ 142-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=18cf4eb9c84a 09:40:02 expect exciting bugs from those too 09:40:05 esp re zombies 09:43:25 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:43:53 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:49 CAO going down briefly for server software upgrade 09:45:17 rip 09:49:54 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:51:24 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:52:59 ...or maybe not. It will go down whenever the server is able to actually finish its restart. 09:55:33 hm. I can't just insert colour tags into the bars... 09:55:36 I guess I'll do the paren thing 09:59:59 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-992-g8c9ec26: Add a hacky 0-ev mon bar display 10(26 seconds ago, 4 files, 25+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c9ec26c8475 10:01:52 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:09 -!- schistosoma has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:05:32 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:08:54 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:05 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:53 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:05 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:14:03 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:20:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:20:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-993-g5618d5b: Stop leaking AC/EV information in monster xv 10(46 seconds ago, 6 files, 54+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5618d5b7d93d 10:26:33 wtf, why does monster_info::res_magic reimplement monster::res_magic 10:26:35 stop it!!!! 10:26:45 ...also, why does trog's hand apply after vuln 10:27:07 for monsters 10:28:23 PleasingFungus: monster_info represents map knowledge, which is marshalled in saves 10:28:38 that's not to say it should be re-implementing methods from monsters 10:28:49 -!- irlitg has quit [Quit: pew] 10:28:56 hm 10:28:59 but it can't simply call a monster method 10:29:01 also I wonder if I broke saves 10:29:10 yes of course I know it can't call a monster method 10:29:11 that's an important thing to wonder about 10:29:29 I added more fields to monster_info without poking at tags.cc 10:29:37 that sounds not good 10:29:37 hm 10:29:46 I guess I have time to look at it before I go 10:30:10 also mr should work the same way as ac/ev, that is, the monster calculates it (with a calc_unid field) and passes it as an int to the monster_info 10:30:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-994-g8cdc582: Halve monster trog hand mr with ?vuln 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cdc5824e6e1 10:30:47 monster_info doesn't have the necessary info to recalculate it right 10:32:37 wow, looks like literally one call to monster_info::res_magic 10:32:52 why are you surprised? 10:33:12 <|amethyst> the only place you would use it is when describing a monster's MR 10:33:24 yeah 10:33:24 <|amethyst> if you're using it in calculations you'd use monster::res_magic 10:33:24 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: on y va] 10:33:33 well I could make all sorts of guesses on just how monster_info is used 10:33:46 and I'm sure I'd be disappointed at how wrong that is 10:33:50 also, hm. it looks like there are already some fields that aren't marshalled in monsterinfo 10:34:15 yeah my point is just you have to be careful, since it's going into a save as distinct data 10:34:34 yeah. now I'm just wondering why they're not marshalled 10:34:58 ac, ev, and now base_ev 10:35:02 oh 10:35:09 maybe it's because I broke saves a few days ago 10:35:12 that would do it 10:35:32 Ah Well 10:35:34 well probably you just broke map knowledge, which isn't going to mess up anyones game really 10:35:42 RUINED 10:36:02 now not memorizing your starting spells that's different!!! 10:36:07 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:36:12 <|amethyst> enchanter buff 10:36:20 to be fair, that was kind of nrook's fault 10:36:26 tfw the giant gecko closes in and you got no spammals to make 10:36:30 or wait no was it me 10:36:31 hm 10:36:43 the mp thing was nrook. trying to remember whose the memorization bug was 10:37:02 The resulting tavern thread was good though 10:37:05 so I forgive you 10:37:06 it was... somewhere between me and lasty 10:37:10 but mostly me 10:37:28 don't you pin this on me. :D 10:37:37 (even if its apt) 10:37:45 sorry, new team members are the default blame choice for a while 10:37:53 And with good cause! 10:37:58 Lasty_: it got that way because of Basil, who broke crawl on his FIRST DAY 10:38:37 That's how you know a dev is doin' things 10:38:48 I have very few commits relative to other team members, but I've never broken crawl, not even compilation to my knowledge 10:39:04 see, not doing enough things 10:39:47 I'm the Carl Freidrich Gauss of crawl development; Few, but ripe! 10:40:06 I just sent out a suggestion for how to break Nemelex 10:40:08 <|amethyst> This is the same Gauss that has like 190 things named after him? 10:40:11 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:40:25 |amethyst: he didn't know that would be the case when he said that, in all fairness 10:40:47 gammafunk: I wanna hear the basil story 10:41:04 Ah, what was it 10:41:12 right 10:41:12 he broke save compat 10:41:20 with his change to book knowledge 10:41:27 as in you recognize all book types you've seen before 10:41:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, and lots of the things named after him weren't published in his lifetime because he didn't think they were good enough 10:41:35 which was a great feature 10:41:51 sadly Basil didn't do save compat right and it created essentially corrupted saves 10:42:05 so those had to be updated with special code to fix them on load iirc 10:42:18 |amethyst remembers the details better I'm sure, since he had to help 10:43:17 |amethyst: his intelligence was in the far upper quantiles of the gaussian distribution, much unlike mine 10:43:59 <|amethyst> hm, I don't remember working on that one 10:44:11 http://sprunge.us/MGeH does this look about right? 10:44:11 <|amethyst> it wasn't a tricky fix anyway 10:44:23 I think you at least helped diagnose it, since we always asked neil if we were even remotely unsure about saves 10:44:35 wrt fixing map knowledge 10:45:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, that means map info from old saves/levels will have uninitialised values 10:46:02 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:46:08 yeah need to init them probably 10:47:14 if they have a saver version less than the minor tag version, I mean 10:47:19 s/saver/save/ 10:47:31 sure 10:47:33 hm 10:47:44 should I bother trying to set it to something meaningful? 10:47:53 or just 0 everything 10:48:05 how is monster_info::ac/ev/base_ev actually used? 10:48:12 I should just look it up I guess 10:48:13 <|amethyst> when doing xv on a monster 10:48:32 <|amethyst> what I don't remember is whether xv on a visible monster makes a new mon_info or takes it from map_knowledge 10:48:41 ah yes, we added that didn't we (we probably being PleasingFungus ) 10:48:46 <- 10:48:49 <|amethyst> if the former, it doesn't matter and you might not even need to save it 10:48:58 <|amethyst> but 10:49:17 I'd rather have defined fields if possible, just to forestall future trouble 10:49:22 <|amethyst> I would probably still do something like mi.ac = get_mons_class_ac(mi.type); in the else 10:49:46 <|amethyst> it's not perfect but that's all you can do at this point because you don't have access to the original monster 10:49:51 sure 10:50:12 <|amethyst> (with the else inside the #if) 10:50:18 |amethyst: related to this change to use -1 for monster._colour and use a method for accessing colour, what do you think about the mgen_data interface? 10:50:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-995-gf3a3465: Save compat for AC/EV monster info 10(22 seconds ago, 2 files, 18+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3a34657abcb 10:50:36 this is the only struggling point, since this is used extensively, and it has the colour in an argument 10:50:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140911064110]] 10:51:09 <|amethyst> gammafunk: mg.colour == BLACK is used to mean "no colour specified" 10:51:22 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:51:41 well a lot are passing colour data from a parent monster 10:51:56 so I need to pass -1 in those cases 10:52:16 but it seems kludgy to maybe defined COLOR_BASE = -1 or something 10:52:32 and then test the parent monster 10:52:49 <|amethyst> you mean like tentacles? 10:52:55 yeah, that's one example 10:53:03 if a vault define were to change the color of a kraken 10:53:18 I can't break the "color chain" 10:53:50 the only record of the actual color is in the parent monster's (private) data 10:54:08 could make a method of like bool monster::custom_colour() or something 10:54:21 and make all those mgen calls essentially test that 10:55:07 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:37 <|amethyst> perhaps in monster::colour(): if (is tentacle && specified colour == -1) return get parent->colour(); 10:56:58 <|amethyst> that is, check the parent every time 10:57:15 <|amethyst> maybe that's too slow, but I doubt it 10:58:26 hrm, I'll need to check if an approach like that will work for all instances 10:58:39 <|amethyst> hm 10:58:40 of inherited colour 10:58:44 <|amethyst> I guess there's e.g. slime monsters 10:58:52 <|amethyst> where you only have the "parent" at creation time 10:59:08 <|amethyst> there you'd want to inherit the specified colour (-1) rather than the actual one 10:59:31 <|amethyst> so that if the player changes slime monster colour again, both change and not just the parent 10:59:59 <|amethyst> I guess that's what you mean by monster::custom_colour 11:00:13 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:27 yeah we'd need to know if it's -1 or not somehow; and I guess I need to make mgen default to colour of -1 11:00:29 <|amethyst> but if the parent had vault-specified blue, the child should also have specified blue rather than -1 11:00:56 <|amethyst> what's the different between -1 and BLACK for mgen? 11:01:05 hrm 11:01:33 I don't know what monter creation does if the color is black 11:01:40 and is never changed 11:01:49 e.g. it's not a butterfly/ugly thing 11:01:49 <|amethyst> mg.colour == BLACK means "don't set the monster's colour" 11:02:05 but in the end it has to become something? 11:02:55 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:59 <|amethyst> !source mon-place.cc:1440 11:03:00 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc;hb=HEAD#l1440 11:03:31 <|amethyst> hm 11:03:53 <|amethyst> trying to fine the line that sets the colour from the monsterentry 11:03:57 <|amethyst> s/fine/find/ 11:04:35 -!- read has quit [Quit: bye.] 11:04:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ah, define_monster 11:05:17 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so it got set to mons_class_colour when the monster was defined, then later that is updated from the mgen_data 11:05:50 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but if the mgen_data's colour is BLACK it just leaves it alone (so you get the class colour, subject to changes to monster_symbols) 11:05:50 yeah 11:05:50 if (col == BLACK) // but never give out darkgrey to monsters 11:05:50 col = random_monster_colour(); 11:05:59 + mprf("DEBUG base ac: %d (%s / %s)", mon->base_armour_class(), 11:05:59 + mons_type_name(mon->type, DESC_PLAIN).c_str(), 11:05:59 + mons_type_name(mon->base_monster, DESC_PLAIN).c_str()); 11:06:05 shouldn't this be dprf? 11:06:46 <|amethyst> likewise in init_abomination 11:06:47 so then I don't even need to use -1 for color, it looks like? 11:07:31 <|amethyst> hm, sounds like 11:07:35 <|amethyst> but then 11:07:51 <|amethyst> somehow you have to distinguish "I want this to be default" from "I want this monster to have a random colour" 11:08:09 yeah looks like PF left in some debugging mprfs 11:08:28 does he not use a debugger? 11:08:35 too lazy to compile make debug i guess 11:08:38 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:17 make debug-lite should probably be a developer's default, unless there's some good reason why not (which could certainly be the case) 11:09:28 my standard build it FULLDEBUG=Y TILES=Y, it's just that I've had issues with dprf not showing up 11:09:43 also, oops 11:09:54 also I bet you don't have a debugger 11:09:58 admittedly 11:10:05 os x unreasons 11:10:09 oh, right 11:10:16 -!- tls9540 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:10:22 hrm, I used gdb there, but I guess that became impossible recently? 11:10:24 <|amethyst> I have a debugger and still add print statements 11:10:26 since there's no gdb, there's lldb and that seems to eat the enter key 11:10:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: can't you run lldb in a separate terminal from crawl? 11:10:44 can I 11:10:54 <|amethyst> gdb lets you attach by PID with gdb -p 9271 11:10:58 <|amethyst> don't know about lldb 11:11:08 yeah it's hard to avoid adding them at certain times, but I guess there should be a way to mark them and always see them through your git hooks 11:11:41 wonder why dprfs aren't working, though, that sounds pretty serious 11:12:00 it might have been the old terminal color settings issue 11:12:05 I haven't tried in a while 11:12:15 <|amethyst> oh, right 11:12:20 <|amethyst> debug stuff is darkgrey 11:12:32 <|amethyst> and if your terminal doesn't do bold-is-bright, that's black on black 11:12:45 yeah I ended up turning that on at some point 11:12:52 oh, but osx terminal can definitely be configured to display properly 11:12:55 ha, I was looking at the people who had starred my crawl repo mirror on github, and one of them is the cataclysm dda developer :) 11:12:58 but it might have been after the last time I poked at dprf 11:13:11 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:22 <|amethyst> also, when adding a new dprf 11:13:22 also there's a better term for os x than the default one, forget its name 11:13:33 xterm 11:13:34 <|amethyst> look at diag_type and see if your message fits under one of those 11:13:36 I think 11:13:48 wait 11:13:49 for os x? I don't think it's called that 11:13:50 I'm dumb 11:13:52 that's a unix term 11:13:59 oh right. two things: first, 1e9075421 seems like it might have nasty unintentional side effects - certainly it didn't work the way I intended it to originally, that is, displaying zombie species names instead of type names (though probably the change is for the best) 11:14:01 and we know os x isn't unix (hahah) 11:14:07 iterm2 11:14:09 yes 11:14:17 <|amethyst> you can run xterm on OS X 11:14:26 <|amethyst> it used to come with an X server by default even 11:14:31 <|amethyst> I don't know about now 11:14:32 yeah you can run the X server 11:14:45 but doing that just for a terminal.... 11:15:48 is there a sentimental reason for keeping around 167 git branches 11:15:52 in the crawl repo 11:16:01 I've wondered about cleaning that up 11:16:22 <|amethyst> why would we delete code? 11:16:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 11:16:43 because it's rotted and useless? :) 11:16:49 but the code isn't deleted, is it? 11:17:07 if you delete a branch that has commits that aren't in any other branch, the code is lost 11:17:13 so we have branches like squarelos 11:17:16 <|amethyst> not immediately, but on the next gc 11:17:21 last updated: 4 years ago 11:17:31 <|amethyst> we also have a branch for 0.3.1 11:17:40 <|amethyst> well 11:17:40 that's fine, it's historical 11:17:42 how does OS X display stuff if it no longer has an X server, then? 11:17:46 there are also branches in there that were merged 11:17:51 e.g. mine 11:17:51 wheals: ha ha ha 11:17:54 <|amethyst> wheals: it has its own windowing system 11:17:59 ah 11:18:04 oh that wasn't a joke? 11:18:07 my god wheals 11:18:26 <|amethyst> wheals: three or four of them actually 11:18:30 wheals: Pleasing fungus is reading the bits directly and drawing them himself 11:18:34 <|amethyst> I don't even know what's current 11:18:35 obv 11:18:40 second, I implemented draconian/demonspawn class zombies using a prop (and fixed a bug in the process - I *think* demonspawn class zombies previously didn't use the base type's stats?), *but* now I'm wondering if I could have used draconian_type in some way 11:19:08 though you would still have needed the props to handle hypothetical ghost demon zombies with ac/ev values differing from the monster class (these don't currently exist, but we want to future-proof!) 11:19:19 also I can't remember what draconian_type is 11:19:42 stale branches as counted by github, listed in decreasing order of staleness 11:19:45 https://github.com/bstrie/dcss-mirror/branches/stale 11:19:56 draco_type? 11:20:07 something like that 11:20:08 it's actually quite a useful view, what with the ahead/behind graph on the right for each branch 11:20:15 looks like a field on monster_info 11:20:18 oh 11:20:22 that's useless, nvm 11:20:36 ...also someone else should probably fix my debug prints before a server rebuilds 11:20:51 since I can't until I get home 11:21:26 wow, ddredheal, ouch 11:21:33 brutal dd nerfs 11:21:36 I wonder if there's a cute way we can flag those debug prints and catch it with a git hook 11:21:43 FR: xom worshippers have a 0.0001% chance to view any debug print message 11:21:49 not write them? :P 11:21:58 well, it's hard to never ever use them 11:22:18 there are some weird instances where you don't quite know the conditions to use for a debugger 11:22:30 I think wheals is referring to using mprf instead of dprf, probably 11:22:32 idk 11:22:38 https://github.com/bstrie/dcss-mirror/compare/movespeed is interesting 11:22:59 yeah but some are truly just temporary, as in you'd never want to commit them 11:23:00 def a huge player buff 11:23:48 haha, kb had a small dwarf branch 11:23:57 I guess just use a comment with a special tag on the opening line 11:24:02 <|amethyst> on it 11:24:40 huh, elliptic has a new_squarelos branch that's only three (!) years old 11:24:41 <|amethyst> err 11:24:48 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:24:48 PleasingFungus: oh awesome, I didn't realize that comparative view existed 11:24:49 <|amethyst> just on changing them to dprfs 11:24:58 <|amethyst> not on banning dprf from the repository or anything like that 11:25:14 PleasingFungus: see, a nice interface is why the mirror exists at all :) (but perhaps I'm being unfair to gitorious) 11:25:18 I think you can remove them; I was only using them to figure out why abomination hd wasn't randomizing, if they're the mprfs I was thinking of 11:25:31 Wensley: you aren't 11:25:49 (the reason was because abomination hd was getting clobbered in define_monster) 11:26:09 <|amethyst> oh, several warnings now 11:26:12 Wensley, you aren't 11:27:07 I need to set my clang to have higher warning settings 11:27:46 sounds like it would just make a lot of noise 11:27:46 does ccache work with clang 11:29:08 does crawl work with clang? 11:29:21 I've always used gcc with it... 11:29:22 apparently, yes 11:29:25 and yes 11:29:33 "Commit message should be descriptive, not funny. If you look into the commit log there are some pearls like "Simplify." etc." 11:30:01 yeah, saw that and it's funny that *that* is what he calls out 11:30:23 people who have never worked with a 400k code base 11:30:27 !tell johnny0 https://github.com/bstrie/dcss-mirror/compare/win32-backtrace probably way behind what you're doing but might be useful in some way? 11:30:27 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let johnny0 know. 11:30:28 .txt 11:30:50 400k lines I should say, I guess 11:31:33 https://github.com/bstrie/dcss-mirror/compare/abyssal-overworld wtf 11:31:48 it's a layout 11:32:11 called Abyssal Underworld, in a branch called abyssal-overworld 11:32:23 // Gentrification; some cities are richer than others, this affects wall types 11:32:28 see, nothing confusing 11:32:35 // Terrain height gives us mountains, rivers, ocean 11:32:49 haha 11:33:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:34:23 what is this, adom 11:36:29 %branch mons-gods 11:36:29 Branch mons-gods: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/mons-gods 11:36:34 this looks promising 11:36:41 l 11:36:49 yeah I was looking at that 11:37:10 it's certainly Something 11:37:56 it was in master for a few minutes even, iirc 11:40:20 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:35 -!- Nioji has quit [Client Quit] 11:41:09 ! 11:41:11 a few minutes? 11:41:57 augh, I just noticed the graphs on http://s-z.org/crawl-stats/activity.html aren't zeroed 11:42:03 !blame |amethyst 11:42:03 I pronounce |amethyst... Guilty! 11:42:28 -!- stonage has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:44:44 neat, september had a new author of the month 11:45:19 huh 11:45:29 i guess that was all my branches being merged post-t 11:45:49 ya 11:46:04 vaguely surprised that mine only put me in third 11:46:31 is this up to date for today? 11:46:39 i guess not, since then it would have oct 11:47:27 need to get into the top 20 for + 11:47:32 net + I mean 11:48:29 does the parentheses thing work right for monsters with 0 base ev? 11:48:45 I think so 11:48:47 i guess i should assume you tested it, unlike how i probably would ;) 11:48:56 didn't test that case actually 11:49:12 but I do have !cur_bars && base_bars 11:49:22 which seems right? 11:49:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:43 er 11:51:53 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 11:51:54 that commit probably should not have added a line of whitespace to initfile.cc 11:52:01 git commit -a unreasons 11:52:10 <|amethyst> tempted to do a mass s/unsigned int\( .*ARRAYSZ\)/size_t\1/ 11:52:36 uh oh 11:52:46 that would miss the time when i just used 'unsigned' though 11:52:48 <|amethyst> and probably also s/unsigned int\( .*\.size()\)/size_t\1/ 11:52:58 |amethyst: so you think we still need something like INHERITED = -1 for COLOR; the random color case seems like just a fallback, and couldn't we do a final thing to set a random colour if the value is -1 11:53:12 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:53:18 er if the value is still BLACK, not -1 11:53:42 -!- Calisca has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:49 <|amethyst> yeah 11:54:17 <|amethyst> hm 11:54:41 <|amethyst> BLACK is supposed to be a fixed colour for the monster 11:54:46 <|amethyst> so it would have to be a creation time 11:55:11 <|amethyst> but that's a problem because then if you change the colour for butterflies, existing butterflies won't change 11:55:41 <|amethyst> I guess the latter isn't a huge deal 11:55:46 well I feel that random colour monsters like that are not a problem, yeah 11:56:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-996-gcd97ca2: Formatting. 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd97ca2479a6 11:56:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-997-ge529b23: Remove some debugging prints (wheals) 10(33 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e529b230aec7 11:56:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-998-gab1cef0: Don't shadow a method with a local var. 10(28 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab1cef029c36 11:56:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-999-gfb6bfb0: Fix signedness. 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb6bfb05d1c9 11:56:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1000-g8944a90: Remove an unused variable. 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8944a90a5ccb 11:57:16 probably would have gone with ev rather than evas, to match armour_class()'s use of ac 11:57:23 since ev isn't a field now 11:57:28 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh right 11:57:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: forgot it wasn't a member var 11:57:42 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that's why I didn't use ev 11:58:02 yeah I figured 11:58:18 probably those should use a range check, from FIRST_NONBASE_* to LAST_NONBASE_* 11:58:24 which i assume you didn't know about 11:58:35 I didn't. I do have a comment 11:58:36