00:00:05 like, not the actual axe. just the mesmerization 00:00:19 just go all the way to axe of woe imo 00:00:33 quite powerful.... 00:01:13 I like that some of these sound right out of bcadren crawl, but it's always exciting to see what someone who's willing to code can do 00:01:43 yeah my three potentially good form ideas right now are: hydra form, ANGER FORM (brute form? yeti form? ancient bear form?), and quicksilver form 00:01:55 with boulder form and oklob form hovering somewhere on the backburner 00:02:06 also IRRADIATE I guess (that's not a form) 00:02:22 a process to increase fruit nutrition? 00:02:26 1glasses 00:02:41 PleasingFungus: yeti form only works if I get yeti landed 00:02:41 <_< 00:02:51 wouldn't that make it not work 00:03:00 I have thought of how to do player throwing (e.g. throwing monsters) 00:03:14 that sounds fun but possibly counterproductive 00:03:27 imo throw gammafunk instead 00:03:36 also I still really like the theme of mimic form 00:03:41 but I am not sure it will ever work 00:03:56 PleasingFungus: You cackle and disappear in a puff of smoke! 00:04:37 the vague idea was that it was a stealth form: turn into an item, sit on the floor, then instantly untransform (special mimicform ability) and stab unsuspecting monsters that wander towards you (attracted by the lure of treasure) 00:05:05 but thinking about how that would actually play, I just... strongly suspect it would be unfun 00:06:16 that would be very weird now that monsters don't pick up things, too 00:06:28 (as far as the player knows) 00:06:29 oh I forgot about that. w/e tho; it's flavor 00:06:39 it's not like they ever wandered towards items anyway 00:06:51 !lg giftdrop 00:06:52 1. GIFTDROP the Slayer (L27 VpCK of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 14 runes on 2013-01-20 23:56:34, with 9568347 points after 150203 turns and 16:33:33. 00:07:02 oh, am I wrong 00:07:39 I don't think you are, at least not in recentish versions. GIFTDROP was named for the doomrl tactic 00:07:54 no they just kind of moved around and picked up stuff they happened to move to 00:08:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-900-gee12738 (34) 00:08:49 also for player throwing my concern more is that it'd be optimal for many players to use it every fight, whereas I'd like it to be fairly situational 00:09:09 it might be better to balance on a form though 00:09:30 HULK 00:09:36 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:37 ?/hulk 00:09:37 Matching terms (1): rotting_hulk; entries (2): plague_shambler[1]: Replacement for rotting hulks in 0.13. Speed 10, stronger, more hp, inflict a Retching status that blocks food/potions, and on death spawns a cloud of miasma that spreads one tile per 10 aut. Gone in 0.15. | twelwe[1]: THE HULK CANNOT EQUIP ARMOUR. THE HULK NEVER STOPS BEING THE HULK, BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO PROGRAM. 00:10:33 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:10:36 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 00:14:44 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:18:32 -!- grisamentum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:18:58 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-900-gee12738 (34) 00:22:03 -!- zero_one has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:06 -!- grit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:23:50 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:25:42 -!- markgo` has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:29:47 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:32:54 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:34:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-901-g8d76ea3: Tweak the Dragon's Call message 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d76ea3336dd 00:34:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-902-g52aef17: Refactor Sacrifice Arcana code 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 43+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=52aef173f864 00:38:33 PleasingFungus: Does the moving around of UC colour definitions fix the bug where UC colour isn't shown in webtiles? Or is that still an existing bug? 00:38:56 I strongly doubt that it's fixed but I don't remember if I tested - it was months ago 00:45:23 I think it did not get fixed yet 00:50:17 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-902-g52aef17 00:54:13 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:56:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:58:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:16 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:00:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:05:29 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:06:07 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:06:28 hm. the floor tiles in abyss_greek_temple are wrong for the altars 01:06:34 I tried adding a FTILE: ABCDEFHIJKLMNOPQRS = floor_limestone w:5 / floor_nerves 01:06:40 but that randomizes per-altar, which is obv wrong 01:06:50 some vault wizard should fix this 01:11:17 !source skill_bump 01:11:17 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08:21:05 someone check my math here, this is very odd 08:23:54 -!- teflonbiscuit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:26:50 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: skill_bump uses skill*2 or (skill+3), whichever is smaller. 08:27:00 oh, whichever is *smaller* 08:27:03 I'm illiterate 08:28:03 thinking about the idea of 'tweaking zin recite to be better at low invo' that I was talking about a few weeks ago. not sure about the best way to implement it mathematically 08:28:13 <|amethyst> (I very nearly wrote max when I was rewriting that) 08:28:15 heh 08:28:21 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:28:23 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: could use skill + 3 always? 08:28:23 It Makes Sense 08:28:50 <|amethyst> or does "low invo" mean not quite so low as 3 08:29:51 I was thinking maybe something like up to 6 08:29:51 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:30:24 still, switching away from skill_bump probably wouldn't hurt - I'm not sure why it's currently being used? 08:35:44 well, I'll poke at it. ty for correcting my badmath 08:37:18 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:38:16 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:39:04 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:40:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:44:47 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:17 !tell thetower just pushed the AF_PARA refactoring you were asking for to a branch; not merging it in right now since it makes it less clear what's currently going on 08:47:17 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let thetower know. 08:50:10 New branch created: parareform (2 commits) 08:50:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[parareform] * 0.16-a0-903-g677f9d5: Halve Zin's hell effect protection 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=677f9d5e8918 08:50:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[parareform] * 0.16-a0-904-g53a3f3f: Make AF_PARALYSE based on HD 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53a3f3fb5112 08:50:26 oops 08:50:31 bad branching 08:50:36 ah well 08:53:14 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:41 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:54:08 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:45 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55:49 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:09 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58:25 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:49 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:23 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:41 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:52 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:53 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:05:10 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:05:21 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 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MF_ARCHER does almost exactly what I want for *taurs 09:15:03 it gives them an acc & damage buff, which should get them back to their old lethality 09:15:07 the problem is that it also disables melee 09:15:38 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-907-gba4a4aa: Fix altar floor tiles in abyss_greek_temple (hangedman) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba4a4aab186a 09:17:28 From CommanderC in tavern: rPois was not buffed vs. venom bolt: In 0.14, venom b. did 50% damage 90% of the times, and 100% damage 10% of the times: 0.5*0.9+1*0.1=0.55 avg. damage In 0.15, venom b. does 33% damage 66% of the times, and 100% damage 33% of the times: 0.33*0.66+1*0.33=0.5478 avg. damage 09:17:48 commanderc does not understand the code 09:17:52 ah 09:17:58 to be fair, it's confusing 09:18:03 I should check it myself and then post a response 09:18:07 the old 90% resist was against *being poisoned*, not against *poison damage* 09:18:09 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参!] 09:18:48 with rpois, venom bolt previously did 50% damage 100% of the time; it now does 33% damage 100% of the time 09:19:01 that's what I assumed 09:19:42 it's true that it has a higher chance to poison the player than it did before (with rpois) 09:19:57 as in apply the poison status 09:19:58 but that's a different question (and his math isn't discussing that) 09:20:00 yes 09:20:04 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:20:46 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that isn't quite right either 09:21:11 mm? it's been a few months 09:23:13 seems like splitting M_ARCHER into M_ARCHER and M_NO_MELEE or something would be reasonable 09:23:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, never mind 09:23:35 doy: doing that now 09:23:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I was thinking venom bolt had an irresistible component 09:23:47 everyone confuses poison arrow and venom bolt 09:23:51 me especially 09:24:01 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 09:24:04 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:24:18 probably because their names are of the form SYNONYM SYNONYM 09:26:25 !source bind_melee_flags 09:26:25 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l796 09:26:26 <|amethyst> obv. rename Sting to Toxic Dart 09:26:29 noooo 09:26:34 anyway what's going on here? 09:27:13 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27:26 I'm wondering whether I'll also need to bind my M_DONT_MELEE to a MF_DONT_MELEE, or whether I can just use the class flag - but I'm not really clear why we have to bind right now 09:27:40 -!- MackTheKnife has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:28:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it's needed for MF_TWO_WEAPONS because zombies inherit that 09:28:56 <|amethyst> the others, probably not 09:29:00 ah, ok 09:29:02 <|amethyst> !source mon-place.cc:2047 09:29:02 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc;hb=HEAD#l2047 09:29:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:35 that is definitely Some Code 09:31:52 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:34:40 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:14 PleasingFungus: I think CommanderC might be right: in check_your_resists(), if doEffects is set, the resistance check passed to resist_adjust_damage() is set to 66% for BEAM_POISON and BEAM_POISON_ARROW, because it's using the output from poison_player() to determine resistance. If doEffects is false, it's using player_res_poison(), which is probably should be using in every case. 09:35:36 !source check_your_resists 09:35:38 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc;hb=HEAD#l113 09:35:53 s/is set to 66%/is true 66% of the time/ 09:36:23 uh, where's it doing that in BEAM_POISON_ARROW? 09:36:46 Oh, my mistake -- not doing it in poison_arrow 09:37:04 but is doing it in beam_poison 09:37:08 but yeah that BEAM_POISON code is weird 09:38:04 I would assume beam_venom should be behaving like beam_poison_arrow for venom bolt, but I could see it working like this for naga spit, for example . . . 09:38:13 I don't know if they both use BEAM_POISON 09:38:52 they do 09:39:01 Basically everything poisonous except poison arrow 09:39:45 yeah seems like that should probably use player_res_poison 09:41:49 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:42:52 I'll fix it when I get home if no one gets to it first. 09:43:35 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:43 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:48:40 <|amethyst> %git a981f6 09:48:41 07bh02 {Keskitalo} * 0.10-a0-1439-ga981f6b: Simplified poisoning, rP is 90% effective 10(3 years ago, 8 files, 79+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a981f6b20fef 09:49:41 <|amethyst> that's the commit that made the effective poison resistance depend on whether you were poisoned 09:49:48 O.o if (resist == 0 && doEffects) canned_msg(MSG_YOU_RESIST); 09:50:44 <|amethyst> that was fixed in 09:50:47 <|amethyst> %git dda850b 09:50:48 07kilobyte02 * 0.10-a0-1619-gdda850b: Fix poison beams doing more damage when rPois, fix tracers. 10(2 years, 11 months ago, 1 file, 14+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dda850b75fa8 09:50:57 actually, that whole region looks buffy 09:50:59 *buggy 09:51:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-908-g238864b: Buff low-base-damage ranged monsters 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 17+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=238864b61eed 09:51:18 <|amethyst> it should probably be rewritten for the modern poisoning system 09:51:30 <|amethyst> it's been changed incrementally across two or three different systems of rP 09:51:32 well poison is kinda fucky at the moment 09:51:33 so it fits 09:52:32 I think it makes sense to keep the raw damage resistance against BEAM_POISON the same as against BEAM_POISON_ARROW. 09:53:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-909-gf7792b8: Make rPois affect venom bolt right (commanderc, lasty) 10(40 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7792b8842e3 09:53:24 I agree 09:53:32 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:54:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140911064110]] 09:54:22 rip 09:54:38 Should have at least dropped a microphone before exiting. 09:55:17 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:56:53 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: found a typo 10:00:27 PF is gone. 10:03:03 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-910-g739c61c: Restore full Zin piety contribution to Recite power. 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=739c61c5a0b4 10:03:07 <|amethyst> well, he probably reads logs anyway. And definitely reads commit messages :) 10:03:21 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:57 hello bloax jr. 10:08:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:10:00 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:14:00 -!- CipHuK has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:14:12 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:22 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:54 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:22 actually I'm illiterate 10:16:34 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:01 ah, that typo was leftover from a previous experiment with changing it to sk + piety + 13, as opposed to sk + piety*1.5 + 3 10:17:11 -!- sanka has quit [Client Quit] 10:17:28 good catch, thanks! 10:17:44 Hm. 10:17:52 I wonder where final attack damage is handled.. 10:18:29 it would be tragic if someone was to see what happens if you average it over 2-3 iterations!! 10:18:57 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:20:09 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:25:43 https://www.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html The Definitive Guide to Crawl 2.0 code 10:25:57 uhh 10:25:59 ah, a classic 10:26:01 I think something is broken 10:26:10 http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/#watch-TZer0 10:26:15 watch me hit za 10:26:43 uhhh... 10:26:51 I don't get it. 10:27:05 mm, 'za 10:27:11 oh it's that bug 10:27:17 hmm? 10:27:20 hit % 10:27:23 what version are you on 10:27:29 git 10:27:29 oh it's not %, it's... somewhere in ? 10:27:31 latest 10:27:39 %git 10:27:39 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-910-g739c61c: Restore full Zin piety contribution to Recite power. 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=739c61c5a0b4 10:27:56 well 10:27:59 hmmm 10:28:03 you're actually about 15 commits behind 10:28:06 notably this commit behind 10:28:13 bmfx was unable to use mutation-granted blinking just now too 10:28:25 %git ee12738d0 10:28:25 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-900-gee12738: Don't check MP for spells again after spending mana (#8997) 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee12738d0190 10:28:31 what does Zin piety to have to do with this? 10:28:33 ^ 10:28:34 oooh 10:28:37 -!- mamgarchan has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 10:28:49 rebuild time!!! 10:28:55 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:29:02 fun for the whole family 10:29:09 I forget the command 10:29:11 !version 10:29:21 trunk: 0.16-a0-817-g6a5ab01; 0.15: 0.15.1-1-gfacfea3; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 10:29:26 triggering rebuild. 10:29:37 done. 10:29:45 the weird thing is that I could swear I triggered a CLAN rebuild right after that commit was pushed... 10:30:28 well, not to worry, I'm watching it build now 10:30:30 :( 10:30:32 *:) 10:30:50 is it intended that mage backgrounds have no longer their level 1 spell memorized? 10:31:03 I remember someone was talking about doing that 10:31:14 hm 10:31:17 %git :/emoriz 10:31:17 07nagdon02 {doy} * 0.16-a0-181-g2625ad1: Do not display "Spell assigned to 'a'." at game start 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2625ad16af54 10:31:31 !locate ElanMorin 10:31:32 ElanMorin was last seen on CDO (Tedronai, L12 DgWn of No God). 10:31:52 not me, someone in ##crawl mentioned it 10:32:26 oh baby 10:32:35 you can pick unarmed as a weapon on anything now 10:32:47 Bloax: what? 10:32:59 as in starting weapon? 10:33:15 %git 931e68f4e08d4 10:33:15 07BlackSheep02 {wheals} * 0.16-a0-824-g931e68f: Make unarmed a valid newgame choice for all species 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 2 files, 3+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=931e68f4e08d 10:33:17 yes 10:33:23 Nice. 10:33:25 Wow, I need to read up on recent changes 10:33:37 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:33:38 hopefully I'm gonna update the changelog tonight 10:33:40 VSFi with unarmed 10:33:49 better known as "yeah i wasn't gonna splat anyway" 10:34:33 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:57 Why UC on a VS? It's the slowest way to get fast attacks . . . 10:35:13 Lasty_: proper lategame punch? 10:37:26 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:37:37 is this the bloaxpire? 10:38:48 no, their stats aren't quite high enough 10:39:08 that's the definite sign of bloax happening 10:40:55 okay so somewhere between 830 and 910 the starting spells were removed. I cannot find a commit message indicating that this was on purpose though 10:41:53 looks like it's 667f5ccfe 10:42:04 %git 667f5ccfe 10:42:04 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-861-g667f5cc: Refactor spell uselessness code 10(7 weeks ago, 3 files, 147+ 172-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=667f5ccfe078 10:42:41 heh 10:42:57 something is passing the wrong param to that, I think 10:43:11 well, it doesn't have that param in that commit 10:43:17 !source spell_uselessness_reason 10:43:18 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l1136 10:43:25 bool prevent 10:44:15 obvious solution: no more refactoring 10:44:33 !refactor doy 10:45:26 btw if someone has a better name for that param than "prevent", please suggest it 10:45:40 "prevents" might be better 10:46:41 alternately, I wonder if it's the enough_mp check kicking in too early 10:47:03 though passing temp=false would avert that 10:54:49 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:00:06 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-910-g739c61c (34) 11:01:22 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:12:13 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:19:11 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:19:41 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:27 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Client Quit] 11:22:38 wow that was simple 11:24:07 ? 11:24:43 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:24:51 [17:17:52] I wonder where final attack damage is handled.. 11:24:51 [17:18:29] it would be tragic if someone was to see what happens if you average it over 2-3 iterations!! 11:25:55 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:13 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:12 -!- necKro is now known as neckro 11:30:39 wow what a difference 11:30:45 -!- drke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:12 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:33:21 -!- drke_ is now known as drke 11:35:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:40:30 -!- drke has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:40:30 -!- drke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:46 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45:41 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 11:49:26 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:27 go try replacing http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l1476 with damage_done = max(random2(potential_damage+1),random2avg(potential_damage+1,3)) 11:51:42 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 11:54:01 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:22 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:55:57 -!- monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:23 is that desirable 11:58:17 no 11:58:54 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/sexy_graphs.png of course not 12:00:20 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00:50 strong attacks doing under 50% damage only 25% of the time? blasphemous! 12:07:00 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:30 uh 12:13:35 is that what I think it is 12:16:27 -!- drke_ is now known as drke 12:17:00 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-910-g739c61c (34) 12:19:08 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:49 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:23:58 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [] 12:25:53 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:35 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:28:09 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:29:25 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 12:29:50 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 12:30:16 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:41:15 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:41:24 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:41:43 -!- Kriby has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:02 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:45:53 I can't be poisoned but I am 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8999 by nubinia 12:47:36 -!- M1zzu has quit [Client Quit] 12:49:42 do to get different piety from sacrificing a rat corpse vs something bigger with more chunks like a death yak? 12:50:15 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 12:50:17 specifically asking for Trog, but not sure if it's god dependent 12:50:42 I don't think it is corpse-dependent, but don't quote me on this 12:50:45 ??blood_sacrifice 12:50:46 I don't have a page labeled blood_sacrifice in my learndb. 12:50:48 hmm 12:50:51 I didn't get an answer in ##crawl 12:50:59 ??sacrifice 12:50:59 sacrifice[1/3]: Pray on a square with items to attempt to sacrifice them to your god. To avoid sacrificing items you might want to keep they can be inscribed with !p or !*. One inscribed item will protect all the items on that square. 12:50:59 ??sacrifice[2 12:50:59 sacrifice[2/3]: Trog's {burn books} is invoked as an 'a'bility. 12:51:02 ??sacrifice[3 12:51:02 ru sacrifices[2/2]: Sac Health, Sac Essence, Sac Purity, Sac Arcana, Sac Drink, Sac Reading, Sac Courage, Sac Love, Sac Nimbleness, Sac Durability, Sac Artifice, Sac Stealth, Sac a Hand 12:51:06 mhhh. 12:51:17 yea. I didn't have luck with that either 12:51:31 ??okawaru[orpse] 12:51:32 I don't have a page labeled okawaru[orpse] in my learndb. 12:51:39 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:43 the orpse of zed 12:55:40 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:56:04 oop, 8999 is mine too 12:56:08 Summon Bugstorm 12:56:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:57:10 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:14 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:04 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:09 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:07 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 13:05:30 BS__ 13:05:30 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:05:39 !messages 13:05:39 (1/1) minqmay said (12h 23m 20s ago): http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/5482241_700b.jpg 13:06:21 um 13:07:59 welcome to minq?may... 13:10:39 the next bug reported better be good, it will be #9000 13:12:40 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:20 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:42 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-911-g63e409c: Increase the number of identify scrolls troves request. 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63e409c85b80 13:15:42 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-912-g6433d0d: Allow nagas etc. to cast/memorise Cure Poison (#8999). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6433d0dd3831 13:17:48 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:19:08 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:33 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:23:23 wheals: imho the bug after that is more important 13:23:27 all things considered 13:23:45 i was hoping nobody would bring that up 13:23:52 sorry :( 13:25:56 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:40 -!- matador has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:35:16 -!- xunplini has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 13:35:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:50 !tell Lasty_ evoking horn of geryon with sacced love tells you " The hell beast is enraged by your holy aura!" 13:37:51 wheals: OK, I'll let lasty_ know. 13:38:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:38:45 he ruined my horn of geryon!!! 13:39:20 DEFCON 1. This is going to ruin a bunch of games! 13:39:20 Lasty_: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:39:49 !learn add ru_to_do Improve Sac Love / Horn of Geryon interaction 13:39:49 ru to do[6/6]: Improve Sac Love / Horn of Geryon interaction 13:40:23 Every time I see someone with the horn, I lecture that it doesn't make hostile hell beasts (at least it's not likely to with good evo) 13:40:34 thanks for the heads up on that one. I probably would have never noticed, since I forget the Horn of Geryon has a useful effect sometimes 13:40:35 And they never use it enough even then 13:40:41 I use the horn! 13:40:42 god!!! 13:40:43 sometimes 13:40:44 the noise cost..... 13:41:02 Warning: Unknown monster: "item mimic: lightblue x" (~/.crawlrc:1467) 13:41:07 my rc: also ruined 13:41:28 oh, heh, interesting that it gives me a "path" on cszo 13:41:57 I was so happy with my various mimic glyph changes 13:42:04 now they're useless! 13:42:12 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:28 ha ha ha ha ha 13:42:58 apparently virus doesn't have regexp substition :( 13:43:03 I haven't heard any complaining about the mimic change yet, which is startling 13:43:13 will have to wait for when I make the wordpress post (tonight?), I guess 13:43:26 I hope you only hear praise and marriage proposals 13:44:03 hrm, how are trove mimics handled btw? 13:44:11 Since you can xv them to see the entrance cost 13:44:38 probably however they were before - it's not like xving them before would have revealed them 13:45:05 I guess that's true, it must give a valid entrance fee and everything 13:45:15 that is somewhat problematic I guess 13:45:23 but not terribly so 13:49:23 -!- matador__ is now known as matador 13:53:25 uh, weird 13:53:31 I just started a game 13:53:34 as a HESu 13:53:41 and my L1 spell wasn't memorized 13:54:12 yeah, guess whose fault that is 13:54:23 !blame obama 13:54:23 PleasingFungus? 13:54:25 I pronounce obama... Guilty! 13:54:33 ya we were talking about that earlier 13:54:52 it's caused by the new spell uselessness code, probably because a bad parameter is being passed somewhere 13:55:07 oh, should I track it down? 13:55:10 or has someone already 13:55:15 it might be nice 13:55:20 I don't think anyone's diagnosed it further than that 13:56:08 PleasingFungus: a bat could have killed me because I didn't have my spell 13:56:10 you monster 13:56:16 let me see if I can find the problem 13:57:28 !source give_basic_spells 13:57:28 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ng-setup.cc;hb=HEAD#l1096 13:57:30 somewhere in there is a hint 13:58:55 !function spell_is_uncastable 13:58:56 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l908 13:59:30 -!- stonage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:59:30 return msg != "" 13:59:33 I like it already 13:59:42 !function spell_uselessness_reason 13:59:42 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l1136 14:05:02 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:06:41 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:36 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:12:55 Grunt: can you teach me how to make tiles 14:14:56 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:59 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:17 -!- Orin has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:19 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:14 -!- Orin is now known as UncertainKitten 14:20:37 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:52 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:22:08 -!- wvc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:18 -!- wvc has quit [Client Quit] 14:26:05 wheals: just do whatever! <_< 14:26:15 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:42 -!- Aule has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:27:29 like: go berserk? 14:29:37 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:45 hm, the game is a bit inconsistent about whether "ziggurat" is capitalised 14:31:29 wheals: this is a tough one: historically, there are many ziggurats. 14:31:40 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:31:53 but in the context of the game, we think of "You entered the Ziggurat." 14:32:13 <|amethyst> there are also many vaults, but one the Vaults 14:32:43 <|amethyst> (then again, I guess there may be more than one the Ziggurat) 14:32:44 it says that you left a Ziggurat, but that you died in a ziggurat 14:33:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: zzzzzz] 14:33:08 unique when you got one, nameless when you depart dead :) 14:33:10 <|amethyst> also "gateway to a ziggurat" 14:33:17 I think lowercase is better. 14:33:34 ok, will change cases of upper to lower 14:33:40 lower seems like it's used more often already 14:33:44 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:53 <|amethyst> wheals: well, you don't want the label to say "ziggurat" 14:34:03 true, it's a bit like Volcano 14:34:42 !lm * zig.exit 14:34:43 7629. [2014-09-29 17:52:02] haldagan the Imperceptible (L27 NaFi of Cheibriados) left a Ziggurat at level 13 on turn 64531. (Zig:13) 14:34:46 !lm * br.exit=volcano 14:34:47 No milestones for * (br.exit=volcano). 14:34:53 right 14:34:56 !lm * br.enter=volcano 14:34:57 36197. [2014-09-29 19:14:58] Aule the Ogre Mage (L11 OgWz of Ru) entered a Volcano on turn 18339. (Orc:2) 14:35:00 !lm * zig.enter 14:35:01 44161. [2014-09-29 17:19:42] haldagan the Imperceptible (L27 NaFi of Cheibriados) entered a Ziggurat on turn 62679. (Depths:3) 14:35:05 interesting 14:35:31 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:35:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:29 you could perfectly well say "a ziggurat" there 14:36:49 !lm * br.enter=zot 14:36:50 31223. [2014-09-29 19:27:45] Johnny the Scorcher (L27 DgFE) entered the Realm of Zot on turn 171372. (Depths:5) 14:36:57 hm 14:37:18 <|amethyst> wheals: in-game (in ?:) it says "Entered Level 1 of a ziggurat" 14:37:36 <|amethyst> .echo $(!lm * zig.enter) 14:37:37 44161. :id=11382771:game_key=haldagan::clan::20140829104617S:offset=201725831:file=remote.clan-milestones-git:alpha=true:src=clan:explbr=:v=0.16.0-a0:cv=0.16-a:vlong=0.16-a0-910-g739c61c:name=haldagan:race=Naga:crace=Naga:cls=Fighter:char=NaFi:xl=27:sk=Stealth:sklev=24:title=Imperceptible:place=Zig::1:br=Zig:lvl=1:absdepth=28:ltyp=:hp=258:mhp=258:mmhp=258:mp=45:mmp=45:bmmp=45:str=39:int=25:dex=29:... 14:37:45 huh 14:37:57 !lg * killer=balrug 14:37:57 <|amethyst> !lm * zig.enter x=noun,milestone 14:37:58 44161. [2014-09-29 17:19:42] [noun=entered a ziggurat.;milestone=entered a Ziggurat.] haldagan the Imperceptible (L27 NaFi of Cheibriados) entered a Ziggurat on turn 62679. (Depths:3) 14:37:58 1301. LittleM the Black Belt (L18 VSMo of Makhleb), mangled by a balrug (a +3 demon whip of draining) (summoned by the player character) on Swamp:5 (swamp_icy) on 2014-09-28 01:23:28, with 204291 points after 31699 turns and 3:51:50. 14:38:28 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:38:34 <|amethyst> but "Are you sure you want to leave this Ziggurat?" 14:39:01 so is it getting capitalised in the milestone just a Sequell thing? 14:39:11 <|amethyst> I think so 14:39:12 <|amethyst> but 14:39:20 <|amethyst> !lm * zig.exit x=noun,milestone 14:39:20 7630. [2014-09-29 19:36:51] [noun=left a Ziggurat at level 9.;milestone=left a Ziggurat at level 9.] prestonbroadus the Warrior (L27 VpCK of Jiyva) left a Ziggurat at level 9 on turn 78808. (Zig:9) 14:39:34 <|amethyst> ^^ that milestone is capitalised in-game 14:39:36 yeah that's hardocded 14:39:40 in stairs.cc 14:39:52 <|amethyst> yeah, also hardcoded in chardump.cc and main.cc 14:39:57 * dpeg wonders how many players know what a ziggurat is :) 14:40:30 !lm * br.exit 14:40:32 455046. [2014-09-29 19:39:04] lennard the Imperceptible (L27 SpAs of Ashenzari) left Cocytus on turn 77463. (Coc:7) 14:40:38 !lm * br.exit=zot 14:40:39 17439. [2014-09-29 19:28:20] Johnny the Scorcher (L27 DgFE) left the Realm of Zot on turn 171395. (Zot:1) 14:40:47 dpeg: I tought my 5- or 6-year-old nephew to make one out of Duplo 14:40:54 <3 <3 <3 14:40:54 *taught 14:41:08 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:13 it seems to me that decapitalising it in all those places is more consistent 14:41:16 (but minus points for hostile stance towards gold god -- it is all written down in my paper notebook :) 14:41:23 <|amethyst> dpeg: Video games are probably the #1 way people learn the word "ziggurat" :P 14:41:26 wheals: yes, I'd think so 14:41:30 |amethyst: not me! 14:41:50 !lg . gozag 14:41:51 4. rchandra the Ninja (L26 SpEn of Gozag), mangled by an Orb Guardian (kmap: hall_of_Zot) on Zot:5 on 2014-07-28 00:26:33, with 587725 points after 86929 turns and 11:54:15. 14:41:59 <|amethyst> wheals: right, but not the shortname because you don't want Place: ziggurat:1 in the HUD 14:42:05 yeah 14:43:13 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-913-gcc3231e: Make 'ziggurat' capitalisation a bit more consistent (dpeg, |amethyst). 10(74 seconds ago, 3 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc3231e25e1f 14:43:17 -!- malorn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:43:53 rchandra: hey, I expected you to play the guy before complaining about it :) 14:44:47 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:45:08 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:33 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:45:59 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-914-g41ad7c1: Tweak formatting. 10(14 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41ad7c1e8716 14:46:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:47:25 rip ^ 14:47:25 rip 14:47:36 <|amethyst> I considered changing it to a v :P 14:50:05 -!- Aryth1 has quit [*.net *.split] 14:50:05 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [*.net *.split] 14:50:05 -!- the_glow has quit [*.net *.split] 14:50:05 -!- doy has quit [*.net *.split] 14:50:17 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:42 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:26 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-915-ga30a7c4: Fix the auto-memorizing of starting spells 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 17+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a30a7c4be053 14:53:34 I'm still going to have to memorize spammals all day today 14:53:36 life is so hard 14:53:52 ??rebuild 14:53:52 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 14:54:14 !tell theTower %branch zig-evokable is an implementation of your (?) suggestion for keeping infinite zigs around, if you want to look at it 14:54:14 wheals: OK, I'll let thetower know. 14:54:28 New branch created: zig-evokable (3 commits) 14:54:28 03wheals02 07[zig-evokable] * 0.16-a0-914-g267a13b: Add "a figurine of a ziggurat," evokable for a ziggurat. 10(50 minutes ago, 6 files, 46+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=267a13bcc491 14:54:28 03wheals02 07[zig-evokable] * 0.16-a0-915-gb3be80e: Place a figurine of a ziggurat at the bottom of all ziggurats. 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3be80e51ede 14:54:28 03wheals02 07[zig-evokable] * 0.16-a0-916-g75d3ef5: Remove ziggurats from Pan. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 103-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=75d3ef5bc712 14:54:42 oh, wow 14:55:46 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:52 bool spell_is_uncastable 14:55:57 @returns True if the spell is castable, false otherwise. 14:55:59 what 14:56:04 look 14:56:14 you wanted doxygen 14:56:16 gammafunk that is not what that function does. 14:56:17 you got doxygen 14:56:22 haha 14:56:24 seriously 14:56:29 <|amethyst> wheals: don't you need to place one outside of Zig:27 to get the ball rolling? :) 14:56:41 now you get to make a commit to fix it! 14:56:43 also imho use param[out] for msg but that's really kind of a small thing in compariosn 14:56:46 your commit credit! 14:56:47 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:50 that's what the one guaranteed in depths is for 14:56:55 yeah I was planning on it but that'll have to wait a few hours 14:57:00 he'll lose marvins though 14:57:13 no it's neutral 14:57:19 wheals: fyi there is a chance of multiple zigs in depths 14:57:20 I think 14:57:28 it'd be +1 and -1 14:57:32 <|amethyst> wheals: ah, right, you only removed the ones in Pan 14:57:50 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 14:58:11 on that note, what if the zig portal were "carried" by some kind of uber-hard boulder beetle 14:58:13 <|amethyst> I worry that this disincentivises ducking into a Zig "early" to get a few levels of items 14:58:29 <|amethyst> since you know you won't find another 14:58:38 you have to kill the bettle to get the...well I guess it'd be to stop the ball rolling, come to think of it 14:58:46 s/bettle/beatle/ 14:58:53 yeah, you have to decide too early to commit to "Zig or no?" 14:58:56 mm, beatles 14:58:58 which beatle should we kill 14:59:14 paul, obv 14:59:15 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:59:20 <|amethyst> did I ever mention my "octopus's garden" vault idea 14:59:24 ringo, always ringo 14:59:35 <|amethyst> you'd have 4 octopodes Paul, John, George, and Ringo 15:00:09 <|amethyst> I didn't get much further than that though 15:00:14 hah 15:00:19 would it have the mollusc lord? 15:00:20 what more do you need??? 15:00:30 <|amethyst> in particular, we don't have yellow submarines 15:00:38 just a box with four vautl-defined ordinary octopodes, ship it 15:01:07 ??mollusc 15:01:07 I don't have a page labeled mollusc in my learndb. 15:01:12 disappointing 15:01:19 i feel like making the decision to bail out of a zig permanent is more interesting, personally 15:01:43 i remember that elliptic did have other problems with the idea though, which go back to the strangeness of the place of zigs in the game really 15:02:08 that decision is, but the decision to enter is worse 15:02:09 I think zigs are probably too big a fan-favorite to just remove 15:02:34 <|amethyst> wheals: how about give the second figurine when you pick up the orb 15:02:41 I am not sure how relevant this is, but when I came up with ziggurats, one potential use (apart from bragging rights etc.) was to create a new type of player choice: when to enter, when to leave. 15:02:42 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:02:57 <|amethyst> wheals: that way if you bail you can still do (only) an orb-run zig later 15:03:12 also think of all the work hangedman just did on megazigs! 15:03:14 i like it 15:03:19 re funk 15:03:38 well it's been pointed out that players that are capable of clearing a zig are capable of doing so with the orb generally 15:03:42 The decision on "when to enter" already went away when they started asking for runes. 15:03:54 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:00 <|amethyst> I'd consider taking it down to one rune 15:04:01 what is that even remotely true gammafunk? 15:04:02 <|amethyst> maybe two 15:04:03 also I'm vaguely concerned about giving all orb-getters a one-use get-out-of-trouble-free zigtoken 15:04:05 -!- Redz has left ##crawl-dev 15:04:09 yes, sure it's true 15:04:12 gammafunk: my point is that ziggurats are, and should be, also interesting for players who don't even attempt clearing them fully. (Such as me.) 15:04:17 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, I didn't think about that 15:04:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: could make it take a few dozen turns to grow the portal 15:04:44 complications... 15:05:00 I don't think I'd have managed any of my zigs with the orb or even come close 15:05:01 I think just having the one, depths zig is probably enough 15:05:26 well, i did like the idea of completing zig:27 giving a thing that can also be used as a nearly-instant escape 15:05:33 well mine certainly would have been able to, the ones that could clear zig:27 15:05:38 I've only done two though 15:05:58 and making it not instant would lose out there, but make it better if we're giving it out for other things 15:06:01 btw, we can salvage Hangedman's ziggurat work, by chaining them: at Zig:27, there is a portal out, and a portal to another (harder) one. 15:06:08 <|amethyst> %git bb7c074 15:06:08 07dolorous02 * 0.4-a0-2623-gbb7c074: Remove description for shuggoth, as it's not implemented in the code anywhere anymore (just as the mollusc lord isn't). 10(6 years ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb7c074f36f3 15:06:11 <|amethyst> FR 15:06:39 dpeg: wait, why is this better than the zig token thing? 15:06:41 dpeg: yeah I agree totally that their primary interest in an actual game is the scenario you describe; I was talking about |amethyst's idea that orb run zig is a special thing we could allow 15:07:11 I am not saying it is! I am trying to combine the ideas of "just one zig per game" and "hangedman came up with the system of zigs getting harder". 15:07:30 <|amethyst> the second purpose of zigs is to let people show off and do a victory lap(s) 15:07:32 well, that's really what the evokable is for 15:07:32 -!- mamgarchan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:07:43 just lets you stash or whatever between zigs 15:07:51 well the system he designed is also kind of stop-gap; has anyone seen these megazigs at zig:27? 15:07:56 do our hell/pan portals still close off when you pick up the orb? 15:08:06 could just have a zig portal under the orb, i guess 15:08:10 I got a pan lord floor, so every single tile was filled with monsters from that set( chaos) 15:08:13 <|amethyst> dpeg: they do not 15:08:16 <|amethyst> %git 298e3e9 15:08:17 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1886-g298e3e9: Don't close portals upon picking up the Orb. 10(9 months ago, 3 files, 0+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=298e3e9e4b60 15:08:17 ok 15:08:20 it's not really valid gameplay at that point 15:09:20 <|amethyst> Come up with some zig-only uniques 15:09:25 <|amethyst> megabosses 15:09:27 yeah and I made a follow-up commit to allow the orb spawns to generate in all portals as well 15:09:48 megasigmund 15:09:57 ultrapurgy 15:10:03 gigaijyb 15:10:10 teraerica 15:10:22 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11:21 -!- Jho has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:23 immobility slug: like a torpor snail, but with LOS paralyse 15:11:24 just have unique floors, like zigsprint (with the ungenerated uniques) 15:11:46 use summons to spot it and then kill it with firestorm. hope you don't spawn in its LOS 15:11:48 <|amethyst> You call on the dead to rise... an exaskeleton appears! 15:11:50 Sigmund, Murray, the Lernaean Hydra. and Ignacio come into view 15:11:53 rchandra: use the generated ones too 15:12:11 30 gloorx vloqs come into view 15:12:23 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13:17 While we're talking about ziggurats, can we discuss reducing the entry condition again? 15:13:19 <|amethyst> BTW, would 'statue' monster on purple be reasonable? 15:13:40 statue (158) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 8 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, master archer | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 561 | Sz: Large | Int: high. 15:13:41 %??statue 15:13:44 <|amethyst> it's soh, right, we already moved the feature to darkgrey 15:13:50 <|amethyst> s/it's s// 15:13:52 <|amethyst> never mind 15:14:13 <|amethyst> dpeg: one rune is a nice parallel with Vaults, or two runs for the "progression" 15:14:17 heh, master archer flag 15:14:19 <|amethyst> s/runs/runes/ 15:14:40 <|amethyst> s/is/would be/ 15:15:32 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:36 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 15:16:20 |amethyst: I'd be fine with either... I feel that you can make use of the early zig storeys (hence have a meaningful "should I enter" decision) long before the damn thing lets you in 15:18:54 -!- derGrimnebulin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:22:03 03wheals02 07[zig-evokable] * 0.16-a0-917-g46fe624: Lower the zig rune requirement to 2 (dpeg). 10(51 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=46fe62436d3a 15:23:03 thank you! 15:24:52 why in the branch? (also, I'd probably make the requirement 1, if you're gonna reduce it to 2...) 15:25:06 I guess it does signal that it's harder than vaults 15:25:37 1 for V, 2 for zig, 3 for zot is pretty, though 15:26:12 mm 15:26:12 oh, because i forgot to checkout master again i guess 15:26:17 haha rip 15:26:21 imho cherry-pick??? 15:26:44 no idea what kind of merge/rebase conflicts that could cause 15:26:48 if any :P 15:27:19 it doesn't 15:29:03 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-916-g000e708: Lower the zig rune requirement to 2 (dpeg). 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=000e7080417a 15:30:40 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:33:02 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 15:33:24 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:38:28 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:10 -!- stonage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:40:57 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-917-g1d717b6: Don't #define away unique_ptr (#8960) 10(10 minutes ago, 19 files, 35+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d717b68e6df 15:40:57 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-918-g66a6cb6: Don't redefine nullptr if it exists (#8960) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66a6cb6403b2 15:41:00 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:41 (while I obviously approve of the evokable, I have to admit that I'd rather have the zig be an announced pan portal than something that always appears in the rather full depths) 15:41:41 theTower: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:42:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:24 <|amethyst> geekosaur: mind testing those? 15:42:27 would one of each work? 15:42:49 pulling... 15:42:56 so you still get one chance at an early zig, but not infinite 15:43:52 hmm 15:44:28 looking good, it's building without my forcing the 10.8 SDK 15:44:49 ...natirally, saying that caused it to die 15:45:40 http://lpaste.net/2670941308415115264 15:45:52 ...may not be related to that change though 15:46:17 (also, "lots of monsters" is inherently finite regardless of my exaggerated work or not, and I would rather have a "zig lord" sort of trick than bringing back uniques to all get silenced by mennas / tormented by khufurray) 15:46:45 <|amethyst> geekosaur: working on that one 15:46:55 <|amethyst> geekosaur: I should have expected it, it's in the same #if 15:47:05 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:47:13 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:25 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:48:32 !tell eronarn https://33.media.tumblr.com/6dc9f779edf1310b63b6dcd4bb86a946/tumblr_nbt8ljsAYS1qis33mo1_250.jpg 15:48:32 Pacra: OK, I'll let eronarn know. 15:50:06 Pacra: ...did you mean to send that here 15:51:39 !seen eronarn 15:51:39 I last saw Eronarn at Tue Jul 22 09:54:48 2014 UTC (9w 6d 10h 56m 48s ago) quitting, saying '*.net *.split'. 15:52:13 also the content of the link is neither crawl-related nor particularly sfw, so, I mean, kind of a lot of questions 15:52:39 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:54:24 * dpeg wonders about PleasingFungus's work :) 15:54:51 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:22 do you know what 'bad dragon' is 15:55:51 no! 15:56:01 -!- Orin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:06 Pacra: ...did you mean to send that here 15:56:12 PleasingFungus: looked it up 15:56:14 misclick for offtopic 15:56:31 sorry 'bout that 15:56:44 rip 15:57:09 crawl-dev-offtopic 15:57:10 dpeg, sorry also for you looking it up 15:57:35 strange humans :) 15:57:55 humans are not enough, gotta screw plastic dragons 15:58:04 -!- vvh2lma has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:12 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:59:10 fr plastic dragons 15:59:18 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:59:28 plastic dragon armour (rWebtileschat 16:00:28 what if i told you that i just made a patch that increases hp and mp regen while also decreasing the spikiness of player damage 16:00:31 would i be.. a monster? 16:00:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-919-gef7d70b: Don't make an ambiguous overload for std::move() (#8960) 10(7 minutes ago, 5 files, 8+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef7d70b77f69 16:00:42 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:47 <|amethyst> geekosaur: try that 16:00:49 you migth not be a dev :p 16:00:54 you would be horribly tedious for pressing a point no devs care about 16:01:04 possibly can call that monstrous 16:01:53 (I suggest working on a fork instead) 16:02:37 <|amethyst> note that, because this is pre-AC and the minimum damage post-AC is 0, decreasing spikiness also decreases the mean 16:02:40 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:11 <|amethyst> so you might want to adjust the AC formula in bignum crawl 16:04:25 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05:51 |amethyst, that seems to have built 16:05:51 (rWebtileschat) 16:05:58 we already have that resist 16:05:59 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:16 <|amethyst> geekosaur: I just worry that we might at some point have a third-party or contrib library that uses "Move" 16:06:37 <|amethyst> geekosaur: but naming it crawl_move sounds horrible 16:06:43 I have no idea; my C++ kinda maxed out at looking at the original error... 16:06:47 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 16:06:49 Pacra: console isn't real. 16:06:55 no no no 16:06:58 he means offline, right 16:07:06 console is the only real 16:07:43 offline is even less real! 16:07:51 offline more like offreal 16:07:54 god, some people 16:08:05 rWebtileschat := tile_display_mode = glyphs 16:08:19 console can get realer 16:08:24 one_true_language 16:08:41 oh god grunt changed the entry 16:09:06 to get rPsychological you play 0.17 16:09:27 -!- Orin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:10:15 if you so insist on being rWebtileschat have you tried not pressing f12 16:11:20 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 16:11:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:11:50 -!- Reverie|Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:12:09 some people would still complain about seeing the mention of messages 16:12:12 <|amethyst> geekosaur: so what is the value of that __cplusplus macro anyway? 16:12:22 (after all, some people complain about pressing a button after finishing fights) 16:12:45 f12 more like ugly_ascii_option_with_bad_chat_12 16:13:19 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:43 <|amethyst> !tell bh btw, I talked to the guy who was obscenely spamming webtiles chat, and unbanned him with the warning that it would be permanent next time. E says it won't happen again. 16:13:43 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 16:15:07 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 16:16:04 -!- teflonbiscuit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:16:05 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:18 <|amethyst> !tell bh of course, e had already discovered that e could get in with a proxy, but contacted me nonetheless so bonus points for that at least 16:16:19 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 16:16:30 __cplusplus: 199711 16:16:42 <|amethyst> that's funny 16:16:52 with the build options crawl uses 16:16:57 <|amethyst> I guess you can't rely on "old C++ version" meaning "no no features" 16:17:50 <|amethyst> s/no no/no new/ 16:17:53 -!- theTower has left ##crawl-dev 16:19:36 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:19:37 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23:25 Pacra: I had nothing to do with the idea behind lang = grunt or any ideas behind it :( 16:23:35 s/ideas behind/entires resulting from/ 16:25:31 no. no way 16:25:32 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:26:27 PleasingFungus: I did make some contributions after the fact, but that's it!!!! 16:27:30 * PleasingFungus shaves Grunt like a yak!!! 16:27:44 * Grunt flattens PleasingFungus like a pancake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16:27:47 * Grunt roars: ANNIHILATED! 16:28:08 !lg PleasingFungus annihilated 16:28:09 1. PleasingFungus the Brawler (L17 TrEn of Makhleb), annihilated by a reaper (a +2,+2 scythe of dragon slaying) on Abyss:1 on 2014-04-12 19:34:10, with 204637 points after 34671 turns and 2:48:13. 16:28:12 -!- potatolizard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28:20 rip dragonslaying 16:28:23 rip 16:28:27 I'm disappointed that that wasn't a Dr 16:28:31 I've been using lang=sgrunt since like... the 0.14 tournament. maybe I should change at some point 16:28:33 also yeah I am too 16:28:46 PleasingFungus: imo figure out how to chain fake langs 16:28:52 lang = !!!, dwarven 16:28:58 I have more exciting things to do 16:28:59 like 16:29:01 hydra form 16:29:02 !!! 16:29:05 how can !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16:29:07 not be exciting 16:29:07 I think it's viable 16:29:10 mm 16:29:10 !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? 16:29:15 !!!?!!!? 16:29:32 <|amethyst> ‽ 16:29:44 |amethyst: <3 16:29:46 btw 16:29:48 !lg * kaux~~dragon max=dam x=dam 16:29:48 5416. [dam=63] m1nced the Sorcerer (L27 DrCj of Ashenzari), slain by a reaper (a +0,+3 scythe of dragon slaying) (created by the effects of Hell) on Dis:7 on 2012-12-26 01:44:24, with 598421 points after 82208 turns and 5:35:06. 16:29:54 good hell effect 16:30:17 I have some vague notion that hell effects should be more consistently nasty 16:30:32 spook some players real good 16:30:43 also that the code should be less hilariously awful 16:30:47 scythe of player slaying 16:30:52 it's very pre-stone-soup 16:31:21 PleasingFungus: reminds me of some of the bits about wrath reform 16:31:29 "less summon spamming, more interesting/threatening effects" 16:31:42 ...which could just as well be describing hell effects :) 16:32:06 well, I actually do like summon spamming on hell effects 16:32:11 as long as it's interesting summons 16:33:12 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:26 summon-summoning summons 16:33:36 summons summoning summons summoning summons 16:33:45 Zannick, ever seen a full-on NetHack summon storm? 16:34:00 (watch some SplatTV; they come up rather frequently) 16:34:14 probably 16:34:37 -!- Orin has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:24 dang, quality dewz time 16:36:46 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:37:08 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 16:38:38 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:39:31 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:46 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 16:40:22 -!- potatolizard has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:45 -!- potatolizard is now known as Guest56528 16:42:53 -!- Orin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:01 admittedly i've only done hells once but i liked the stream of stuff 16:43:07 Grunt: what is grunt language like 16:43:23 if the average effect became scarier, then effects would presumably be rarer, which would feel worse 16:43:42 is that worse? 16:43:53 Pacra: It's DANG good!!! 16:44:12 (exclamation marks) 16:44:13 you sort of want to ahve force_mores on the hell effect messages because of the bad things that can happen 16:44:25 but then they all interrupt rests even if they do nothing 16:44:43 ill have to switch from dwarven 16:45:11 maybe not the "just print a message" ones then 16:45:25 aren't they entirely random 16:45:46 DANG; * * * don't die * * * 16:45:46 rip 16:46:04 ??grunt_reasons 16:46:05 Grunt reasons[1/1]: The stone giant throws a large rock! The large rock hits you!!!!!!!!! 05DANG rip 16:46:42 !source dat/desc/gods.txt 16:46:42 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/desc/gods.txt;hb=HEAD 16:46:44 hm 16:46:51 descript/> 16:46:55 s/>/? 16:47:10 right 16:47:31 03Kek02 {wheals} 07* 0.16-a0-920-g19b1b05: Shopping sorting 10(2 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 86+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19b1b05eccd6 16:47:31 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-921-gdb3f50f: Return to default sort after exiting a shop. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db3f50f9aae9 16:47:54 PleasingFungus: you will be happy to know i THOROUGHLY reviewed the code in that patch 16:48:37 "unlike some people"? 16:48:45 such as me 16:48:50 o 16:48:52 also me tho 16:48:55 me too 16:48:58 ref that mp bug 16:49:10 which was an nrook commit that I pushed 16:49:16 !send wheals the terrible wrath of No MP 16:49:16 Sending the terrible wrath of No MP to wheals. 16:51:30 just 46 left 16:51:44 patches? 16:51:47 yeah 16:51:52 sounds kind of 16:51:53 patchy 16:51:54 6 of which are by infiniplex 16:52:20 Grunt: you said you were working on yeti, how awful is #7399 16:52:31 (answer: wow is it weird) 16:52:31 -!- TomPliss has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:52:43 the time for 4400 has come... 16:52:46 wheals: yeti as a monster, not as a player race 16:52:51 imo toss 7399 16:52:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-922-gae79c9c: Brace. 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae79c9c722ff 16:53:10 yeti monster -- what for? 16:53:26 |amethyst: IMO add K&R -> allman to util/unbrace 16:53:38 dpeg: at the time I was making it there was commentary about not being enough late-game ice/cold threats for places such as Cocytus. 16:53:39 i got a bunch of those that i saw in the patch, but i missed that one i guess 16:53:40 "Right now, potions of mutation are in a weird place--on average, they're extremely beneficial--each mutation has a 60% chance of being beneficial, which over three mutations works out to a 21% chance of three good mutations, 43% chance of two good mutations, 28% chance of one good mutation and only a 6% chance of three bad mutations." 16:53:41 <|amethyst> wheals: I should, yeah 16:53:48 "That, combined with the fact that most positive mutations help you more than most negative mutations hurt you means that it's almost a no-brainer to just quaff them right away." 16:54:06 I usually keep the tavern crap pastes to ##crawl but this one is just too good 16:54:52 I especially like this part: "..the fact that most positive mutations help you more than most negative mutations hurt you.." 16:54:52 <|amethyst> embrace the purple 16:55:01 man, there is no way that 3471 would apply at htis point 16:55:08 3.5 years later 16:55:15 i even remembered to run util/unbrace itself 16:55:35 it is eronarn's memorial... 16:55:35 Breathe Bees (Summ/Tmut/Pois) lets you breathe a blast of bees 16:55:47 a worthy memorial imho 16:55:52 <|amethyst> wheals: it needs to be renamed util/rebrace anyway :P 16:56:09 util/style 16:56:28 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:32 fr util/freestyle 16:56:35 how about #7922? there was also a tavern thread (though it ended in people suggesting rhellfire for !res) 16:56:54 !bug 3471 16:56:54 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3471 16:57:08 <|amethyst> util/dolorous-lite 16:57:46 breathe bees, wow. next we'll have a hound unique with that. 16:58:08 <|amethyst> we already have trees that breathe wasps at you 16:58:24 I feel a little bad but I think 7862 is probably not going to ever be a thing 16:58:25 like, at all 16:59:11 "dopey caste" 16:59:41 i wonder about #7747 now that mnoleg has tentacles 16:59:55 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:00:04 wheals: well, among other things, the exact value of the resist would probably be +40 now 17:00:06 given 17:00:08 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: should have been named "beefolk", then it would have been in 0.15 surely 17:00:38 imo bring back 5810 17:00:39 that everything else has 40 17:00:40 yeah 17:00:52 well, given the bar system, but yes 17:01:01 aside from that... idk. this patch is missing the most important part of the change 17:01:07 which is the description 17:01:11 * wheals opens Grunt like a pillowcase with a +5 battleaxe of flaming!!!!!! 17:01:28 * Grunt flattens wheals like a pancake with a +9 giant spiked club of speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 17:01:34 <|amethyst> what's a pillowcase doing with a +5 battleaxe of flaming? 17:01:53 |amethyst: taking revenge on people opening it incessantly obviously :) 17:02:02 <|amethyst> I have no idea what you're talking about, so here's a picture of a pancake with a GSC on its head. 17:02:06 i wonder if popular demand wants it to be that spammy... in lang = sgrunt 17:02:06 <3 17:02:29 wheals: I'd rather that quirks don't depend on specific languages being set if we can avoid it. 17:02:34 aw 17:02:44 * wheals shaves Grunt like a yaktaur!!! 17:02:50 <|amethyst> Grunt: IMO make those part of the language definition 17:02:59 <|amethyst> Grunt: so we can have puns in other languages 17:03:14 <|amethyst> if we can translate puns, surely everything else will be trivial 17:03:22 so are people OK with resolving #7399 as wontdo? 17:03:38 !bug 7399 17:03:38 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7399 17:03:58 <|amethyst> Grunt: I guess "pun" is maybe not the right word for "proverbial ham" etc, but meh 17:04:20 Miscasting spells heals 10% of it's HP 17:04:21 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:04:22 wtf 17:04:24 wheals: yes 17:04:40 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:04:59 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:05:18 I am trying to think about why I would play this race and failing 17:05:39 it's the ice race with some extra screaming and broken miscast gimmicks 17:06:33 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:06:41 There's not really a good time to turn off CAO temporarily, is there. 17:07:12 { a million Crawlers screamed out and were suddenly silenced. } 17:07:17 !lm * cao year(time)=2014 x=hour(time) 17:07:18 Unknown function: hour 17:07:20 hm 17:07:30 !lm * cao year(time)=2014 17:07:33 1315171. [2014-09-29 22:07:30] Kenreth the Conqueror (L27 DsFi of Cheibriados) killed Mnoleg on turn 112728. (Pan) 17:08:24 rax_: what's broken? Another disk full? 17:08:33 (And hi!) 17:09:04 !lm * cao year(time)=2014 s=nhour(time) -graph 17:09:09 1315177 milestones for * (cao year(time)=2014): http://shalott.org/graphs/f9309a0c7423021fb0d35aa497332b1a5923bdbf.html 17:09:53 !lm * cao month(time)=201409|201408 s=nhour(time) -graph 17:09:54 ERROR: date/time field value out of range: "201409|201408" 17:10:21 !lm * cao (( month(time)=201409 || month(time)=201408 )) s=nhour(time) -graph 17:10:27 323111 milestones for * (cao ((month(time)=201409 || month(time)=201408))): http://shalott.org/graphs/3e8cd75de402700e46d19e79ee83b9526e506073.html 17:10:37 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10:46 <|amethyst> rax_: what's up? 17:10:50 looks like 10:00 would be the best time 17:11:18 * geekosaur wouldn't want to do maintenance at 0600ET... 17:11:28 not sure whether that's UTC or cao time 17:11:53 No disk fill, just want to do some maintenance that might require turning off VMs. 17:12:02 (unrelated to any CAO-specific problems) 17:12:10 <|amethyst> ah 17:12:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:12:52 <|amethyst> I updated bash both in and out of the chroot btw 17:13:09 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:54 oh I took the debian updates outside the chroot 17:14:58 but I didn't think of inside, thank you! 17:15:39 why does walking into a monster with a launcher equipped attack them with the launcher instead of firing at them? seems odd, since there's otherwise nothing stopping you from shooting at melee range 17:15:43 I assume it's a coding quirk 17:15:48 -!- Deviljho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:16:27 what's it do if you're berserk? 17:16:37 not sure, will test when I get a chance 17:16:56 (if you're berserk, you can't fire projectiles, just bash stuff) 17:17:16 ah, that's a good point 17:17:43 it would require code to make it fire at them, though it sounds like a good interface improvement 17:19:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:19:43 <|amethyst> also, you'd have to handle the case where they don't have (the right) ammo quivered and fall back to melee 17:20:11 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:20:39 so basically the current behavior is the simplest one that doesn't require special cases 17:21:02 <|amethyst> well 17:21:11 (...except that, being crawl, it's still a mass of special cases :) 17:21:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:21:25 the 'move' code is scary 17:21:28 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:12 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:22:49 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-922-gae79c9c (34) 17:24:02 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28:40 i'm inclined toward a 'no' on #8367 17:31:15 "Inventory: %.0f/%.0f aum (%d%%, %d/%d slots). Press ^ for skills prognosis" 17:31:34 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:40 yes it's a bit sad 17:31:56 -!- rax_ is now known as rax 17:33:36 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:36 -!- rax changed the topic of ##crawl to: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 17:40:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43:50 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:51 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:33 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:08 %git 17:49:08 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-922-gae79c9c: Brace. 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae79c9c722ff 17:49:12 hello 17:49:15 hello 17:49:17 hello 17:49:19 oh no it is a nicolae 17:49:21 run for your lives 17:49:22 !!!!! 17:49:29 it's fine, i'm only speed 5 17:49:35 oh 17:49:36 * gammafunk coveres himself in X 17:49:40 torpor nicolae 17:49:42 Time to get gw and qw to kite nicolae then 17:49:42 s/coveres/covers/ 17:49:43 <3 17:49:46 * dpeg swiftly limps away. 17:49:53 So gammafunk is Mnoleg... 17:50:02 Where does that leave everyone else? :b 17:50:16 !learn add gammafunk gammafunk is Mnoleg 17:50:17 Grunt works for gloorx vloq 17:50:17 gammafunk[12/12]: gammafunk is Mnoleg 17:50:24 awwww 17:50:27 i just had a question or two, i was thinking of making some vaults, 1) i had an idea for a ru overflow vault, since there aren't any, of a bunch of popcorn monsters around an altar with perm_ench: for various of the status effects that ru can inflict 17:50:34 that's so nice, I'm an & now 17:50:50 !learn edit gammafunk[12] s/$/ that's so nice, I'm an & 17:50:51 gammafunk[12/12]: gammafunk is Mnoleg that's so nice, I'm an & 17:51:00 nicolae-: sounds good to me 17:51:02 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:14 i was wondering if that idea would be worthwhile, since it'd be easy piety. i suppose i could probably just make it D:4 and below so that by the time you get there it's not three levels for taking out a muted orc wizard 17:51:28 nicolae-: we have vaults that abuse monsters in similar ways (the Xom meph altar, the Zin+Xom altar with the confused angel) 17:51:33 So I think it could work. 17:51:39 good, good 17:51:51 (also todo: make some Ru overflows myself) 17:51:58 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:52:06 nicolae-: would this only release the monsters if you worshiped ru, maybe? 17:52:29 also my second idea was for elf, now that there's blade in it, i was wondering about making some small vaults with weaker dancing weapons that would appear elsewhere in the branch, just as a way to make the dancing weapons feel more integrated into the branch at large 17:52:30 You make "release" sound like a euphemism :) 17:52:50 ...like release the kraken? 17:52:51 nicolae-, possibly we could adapt some of the old Blade entries into normal vaults 17:53:00 gammafunk: release from this mortal coil, so to speak 17:53:12 abandon the lies of the world of flesh for good 17:53:14 I thought we adapted blade entries into blade vault entries 17:53:31 PleasingFungus: I can't even remember what we do with vaults these days :( 17:53:33 I incant the sacred words. hangedman, thetower, tarotdeck, I summon thee 17:53:35 i like that ru manages to combine three god ideas of mine into one and does them all beter 17:53:53 nicolae-: sounds like your old ideas have 17:53:54 !glasses 17:53:59 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 17:53:59 made the greatest sacrifice 17:54:07 i ru the day you made the glasses script 17:54:14 |amethyst made it, actually! 17:54:25 when is CAO rebuild, anyone know? 17:54:33 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:54:34 whenever you want it to be...... 17:54:38 nonetheless, 17:54:38 gammafunk: ask the CAO overlord imo 17:54:41 I mean the usual schedule 17:54:44 ??cao 17:54:44 cao[1/2]: Crawl server, located in Tucson, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 17:54:47 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:53 ??cao[2 17:54:53 cao[2/2]: Webtiles is at http://webtiles.akrasiac.org/ or http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/ 17:55:00 PleasingFungus: tavern hates your change to make spells not memorised at start, why did you think it was a good idea?!?!? 17:55:05 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:06 it doesn't say who that is!!! 17:55:10 is it TZer0 17:55:13 :( 17:55:23 I think tzer0 is clan 17:55:26 wheals: no! I'm responding to that! 17:55:27 yes 17:55:29 why did you tell him 17:55:29 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:29 I think r*x is cao? 17:55:33 now I must hit submit fast 17:55:46 de facto I think |am*thyst runs cao for the most part? 17:56:00 but officially r*x, yes 17:56:15 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56:21 yeah, I run CLAN. 17:56:47 Aule poses the question 17:56:49 "How do commits get committed? Someone just makes the change and that's that?" 17:56:52 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:57:12 how is comitt formed 17:57:21 how do I push commit 17:57:21 Remove comitt 17:57:32 remove comitt from premises 17:57:53 See, I made a big tactical error here 17:57:53 IMO remove Bloax from premises 17:57:55 gammafunk: where's the question? I can drop in and explain git briefly :) 17:58:06 Grunt: see the post in GDD on tavern 17:58:07 bloax did nothing wrong 17:58:13 All of the cszo crew will thank PleasingFungus's post 17:58:16 because it dunks me 17:58:21 I find it really funny that I'm getting more complaints about removing starting spell memorization than about zin or mimic changes 17:58:21 what was I thinking 17:58:24 he only killed the crawl 17:58:27 our ancient enemy 17:59:03 wow doxygen takes a while to make 17:59:04 !!!!!! 17:59:12 I didn't know you could actually make doxygen 17:59:22 i'm doing make doxy-all 17:59:27 no idea what it does 17:59:43 it makes a big ball of htlm 17:59:45 *html 17:59:54 I haven't run it in a while 18:00:49 is there some kind of main file? 18:01:28 ah, index.html 18:01:32 yeah, there's...that 18:01:43 it's kind of a little confusing to navigate 18:01:44 imo needs more dhoxygen http://dhmo.org/ 18:02:10 these dependency graphs are pretty 18:03:19 show me a graph 18:03:47 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/sexy_graphs.png ohh baby 18:04:01 look at that frequency distribution 18:04:03 I don't know, does he deserve to see it? 18:04:25 graphs are mine! all mine! 18:04:34 oh no, not math ijyb!!! 18:04:39 PleasingFungus: for the record your mimic removal gave me many rc errors 18:04:49 I hear it also did that for certain devs 18:04:55 which makes me laugh and smile and also chortle perhaps. 18:04:57 rchandra: and then he broke starting spell memorization... 18:04:58 mimic aren't removed, only toothless, right? 18:05:02 I saw a shop mimic recently. 18:05:11 %git :/ackl 18:05:12 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-819-gcd26887: Make mimics cackle & vanish into a puff of smoke! 10(7 weeks ago, 33 files, 85+ 587-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd2688750040 18:05:12 yeah, they just poof when discovered 18:05:14 It didn't even say anything before disappearing. :-( 18:05:16 the mimic monsters are removed 18:05:20 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:05:24 Bloax: was it silenced or out of los or something 18:05:26 PleasingFungus: really good change, btw! 18:05:30 ty :) 18:05:31 no 18:05:34 i stepped next to it 18:05:35 at least the game complained about all my mons += item mimic:lightgrene X etc 18:05:36 hm. weird 18:05:49 yeah same for me...hrm 18:06:02 well there's not a lot we can do for rc errors 18:06:04 player-act_8cc__incl.png: Image format not supported, or image is corrupt. 18:06:09 I assume he did axed_mons 18:06:19 oh I can check the link 18:06:25 i guess imgur doesn't want me to show PleasingFungus the doxy 18:06:28 beware the wall of text cost 18:06:32 wheals: :( 18:06:48 yeah, the used of AXED_MONS sadly doesn't let us avoid those errors 18:07:05 hrm, I guess it really should just ignore such monsters in option processing 18:07:07 the wall of text cost isn't that bad if you know your png optimizers and palette squishers well 18:07:29 what if you type mon_glyph += deep elf sorceror : blue e 18:07:34 idk, I think it's good to give errors for this sort of thing 18:07:37 and you want to know why sorcs aren't changing colour 18:07:37 yeah, like wheals said 18:08:00 tbf we could probably? distinguish between 'axed mons' and 'mons that never were' 18:08:26 oh, except axed mons don't have names. nvm 18:08:30 wheals: what's the deal with deep elf sorceror in this example? 18:08:33 -!- lukano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:36 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 18:08:41 an easily misspelled word 18:08:45 deep elf sorcerer (13e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 52-77 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(112) | XP: 1730 | Sp: b.corrosive (3d18), banishment, haste, sum.demon, hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 18:08:45 %??deep elf sorcerer 18:08:50 unknown monster: "deep elf sorceror" 18:08:50 %??deep elf sorceror 18:08:50 ah ok 18:08:53 rip 18:09:00 yeah I think keeping the name in axed mons 18:09:05 and then checking those, but yeah 18:09:21 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:09:50 I was more upset that virus didn't let me do :sN,N+d/^/#/ 18:09:59 with appropriate N and d to comment it out 18:10:10 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:10:23 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:41 sorry for arriving late on my incantation I was busy slurping up souls 18:11:12 does virus actually differ from vi that much? (:N,Ms/.../.../) 18:11:30 it told me "not implemented" 18:11:36 so I guess it differs there 18:11:49 I meant more the different position of the address 18:12:19 yeah it didn't elaborate as to what wasn't implemented 18:12:29 I assume normal :s/../../ works? 18:12:30 the current implementation of blade was so that people who hated blade don't feel obliged to do it and also so that anybody who is doing early elf with whatever can do that without worrying about omniresistant fast things 18:12:35 not really planning to mess with virus anyway 18:13:15 if you can find room in elf to put any more vaults, be my guest, but there's not currently much room 18:13:18 theTower: now that you've done it, I think that the combination of omniresistant weapons and competent casters is interesting. (I do Elf regularly.) 18:13:28 thanks 18:13:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:42 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:13:47 yeah elliptic was saying how he dislikes elf because of how little variance in defense profile the enemies have 18:13:58 (two small one on elf:1, a big one on elf:2 and 3) 18:14:03 and there was thought to rework the enemy set but keep a theme of "magical school/place" 18:14:03 If this stays (I hope so), then I am sure the ties between the two parties can be strengthened. 18:14:17 gammafunk: exactly 18:14:31 "little variance in defense profile" = pro talk :) 18:14:37 that'd be a fun project for someone to take on, and maybe the HoB could also remain in this new elf 18:14:50 dpeg: yeah his words, not mine :) 18:14:54 I am hesitant, especially since dancing weapon strength is an awkward thing to control as implemented 18:14:58 elliptic is the master! 18:15:06 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:07 -!- CacoS has quit [] 18:15:32 Well the ghost code is....something...but we certainly can make more adjustments there; but it'd just take someone motivated enough to design good enemies 18:15:36 maybe combine hall of blades and elf:3 endings, somehow. i'm just thinking outside the box here. 18:15:41 lest we end up with "elf dispersal" 18:15:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:16:06 This is a good time as any to ask once more for properly dancing weapons (pairs of weapon doing the waltz, the foxtrot etc. ... until you disturb them) -- I am only suggesting this to draw more middle-aged ladies into Crawl land! 18:16:32 dpeg finally answering the questions in CYC 18:16:39 nicolea-, I am imagining something like the dis_castle set-up except the hall is the gate 18:16:44 -!- Stumpsv has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:16:57 wheals: I couldn't read that thread, too much rubbish (may I say bitch talk :) 18:16:58 theTower: oh, did you see infiniplex's interesing elf:3 patch? 18:17:11 that make a kind of castle out of the vault 18:17:26 hmm, been a while 18:17:42 I can dig it up for you, my concern with it was a long single-tile passage he said he'd clean up 18:17:45 (I only remember it having problems with large vault sizes) 18:20:10 man, how does he do those minimaps with no green rectangle 18:21:02 powerful cunning 18:21:04 geeze, now I can't find it 18:21:13 I am pro mantis 18:21:24 already found it myself 18:21:28 link? 18:21:40 %bug 8917 18:21:40 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8917 18:21:42 ty 18:22:05 I'm... divided on it, it's a very nice trick but also kinda of homogenizing 18:22:35 clearly he needs to work on another three versions of it :P 18:23:41 yeah I love the idea and the theme it adds, it may not play amazingly well I guess 18:24:01 like, if it was... 1/5 times I wouldn't even blink at the prospect 18:24:27 well just a lower-weight variant, then? 18:24:34 -!- Jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:24:36 sure 18:24:47 very rary is generally a good idea 18:24:52 avoid flat distributions 18:26:55 nicolae-: what do you think about a few weakling dancing weapons being included in the arrival vaults? 18:27:19 you didn't ask me, but I like it 18:27:31 also my real-life name is a lot like 'nicolae' so I can just pretend I misheard 18:27:37 i had been thinking of making a few along those lines, yes 18:27:38 !send dpeg 1d100 hell sentinels 18:27:38 Sending 1d100 hell sentinels to dpeg. 18:27:43 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:27:51 meanwhile my real name is nothing like "nicolae" so it's like i mishear every time i respond 18:28:13 are dancing weapons' strength basically proportional to their base damage? 18:28:21 !send gammafunk 0-12 sphinxen 18:28:21 Sending 0-12 sphinxen to gammafunk. 18:28:27 you're not Nicola E? fraud 18:28:29 !send PleasingFungus boxen 18:28:29 Sending boxen to PleasingFungus. 18:28:30 !send dpeg random2avg(101,3) hell sentinels 18:28:30 Sending random2avg(101,3) hell sentinels to dpeg. 18:28:37 !send grunt hippogrives 18:28:37 Sending hippogrives to grunt. 18:28:38 yes, but also they used to use weight or something for ac??? 18:28:44 dancing weapon (04() | Spd: 18 | HD: 15 | HP: 22 | AC/EV: 11/20 | Dam: 22 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 893 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 18:28:44 %??dancing weapon ; demon whip 18:28:52 !send PleasingFungus hippogriefers 18:28:52 Sending hippogriefers to PleasingFungus. 18:28:52 still low, I wonder how 18:29:20 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:29:25 dpeg: got some deaths for me? 18:29:25 bh: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:29:48 now i'm picturing dpeg nodding and rolling up a wheelbarrow and dumping some corpses in front of bh 18:29:57 nicolae-: basically. 18:30:02 oh 18:30:15 !lg Bloax DDMo 18:30:16 3. Bloax the Black Belt (L17 DDMo of Cheibriados), blasted by a quicksilver dragon (bolt of dispelling energy) on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2014-04-21 19:28:14, with 204626 points after 22239 turns and 4:09:35. 18:30:19 "hell's traffic accident" 18:30:22 !lg Bloax DDMo 3 -tv 18:30:23 3. Bloax, XL17 DDMo, T:22239 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 18:30:30 nicolae-: "Bring out yer dead!" 18:30:37 bh: no :( Did work. 18:30:51 !lg * map~~dpeg 18:30:52 131223. Strat the Talismancer (L27 DDGl of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2014-09-29 23:13:03, with 2959759 points after 79011 turns and 7:57:45. 18:30:55 !lg * map~~dpeg rip 18:30:56 29968. aeroldoth the Ruinous (L1 DECj), slain by a jackal on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_water_temple_mockup) on 2014-09-29 21:14:40, with 2 points after 43 turns and 0:00:41. 18:31:15 spectacular 18:31:21 I like the dpeg entry vault that entombs you until you starve to death 18:31:24 mmmm 18:31:32 !lg * ktyp=starvation s=map 18:31:33 5306 games for * (ktyp=starvation): 4702x, 25x dpeg_entry_water_fire, 11x zombieorc1_lemuel, 9x serial_bayou_lagoon_a, 9x due_unseen_surprise, 8x tgw_trog, 8x sewer_kobolds, 8x lexackson_kobold_supper, 6x lemuel_castle_with_subvaults, 6x tgw_fedhas, 5x sewer_minmay_w, 5x minmay_goblin_kobold_castle, 4x uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage, 4x minmay_goblin_outpost, 4x dpeg_entry_long_road, 4x sewer_co_scattere... 18:31:34 nicolae-: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ghost.cc;#l663 18:31:45 !rip bh 18:31:46 ... 18:31:48 bh the Nimble (L14 DgWn), shot by a centaur warrior (arrow of dispersal) on D:15, with 71617 points after 25430 turns and 0:18:24. 18:31:52 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:31:57 !lg * ktyp=starvation s=name 18:31:58 a lot of lemuel castle starvation 18:31:58 dancing weapon (15() | Spd: 12 | HD: 15 | HP: 36 | AC/EV: 22/16 | Dam: 44 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 859 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 18:31:58 %??dancing weapon ; giant spiked club 18:31:58 5306 games for * (ktyp=starvation): 88x xw, 74x test, 47x JPB01, 45x gw, 43x rw, 30x crawlie, 29x Xenene, 29x klamech, 28x chilliwack, 22x FIRECRAB, 20x malicor, 19x Gandelf, 19x qw, 16x phyphor, 16x Nexos, 15x davidgn, 15x aori, 15x Monkaria, 14x Archibald, 14x Zermako, 13x NyaaKitty, 12x MaseCarrigan, 12x AuditDaFed, 12x Pseudonut, 11x patkalaski, 11x sorear, 11x nsdk, 10x Frobop, 10x megamegu, ... 18:32:04 poor xw 18:32:06 rip botties 18:32:07 such a good command 18:32:10 !rip . 18:32:13 PleasingFungus the Champion of Chaos (L27 MiNe), worshipper of Makhleb, slain by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5, with 701698 points after 210099 turns and 16:05:21. 18:32:15 okay, accurate, huh 18:32:22 !lg PleasingFungus 18:32:23 319. PleasingFungus the Champion of Chaos (L27 MiNe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-09-29 18:22:19, with 23422719 points after 64049 turns and 8:40:36. 18:32:28 PleasingFungus: wow you took my suggestion seriously <3 18:32:29 theTower: yeah i updated the table there when i made the changes 18:32:35 Grunt: of course I did!!! 18:32:40 seemed suspicious 18:32:41 !rip pleasingfungus -tv 18:32:42 Subcommand $(!lg * recent !won !boring map= xl=${lm[2]} br=${lm[4]} lvl>=${lm[5]} fmt:"${vmsg}|${place}|${sc}|${turn}|${dur}" fmt:'${n}') failed: '${lm[2]}' is not an integer in 'xl=${lm[2]}' in $(rand $(!lg $(re-replace -t... in $(split | $(!rg * $(=rip.opt... in $(ripformat ${lm[0]} ${lm[1]... 18:32:45 !next PleasingFungus 18:32:45 !lg . title~~haos 18:32:45 aw 18:32:46 2. PleasingFungus the Champion of Chaos (L27 MiNe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-09-29 18:22:19, with 23422719 points after 64049 turns and 8:40:36. 18:32:46 The RNG decrees that PleasingFungus shall win DDTm next. 18:32:52 %git :/dancing.*weight 18:32:52 07wheals02 {gammafunk} * 0.15-a0-1055-gfb02dad: Don't make dancing weapon stats dependent on mass. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 13+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb02dadd07b4 18:32:54 !lg . title~~haos 1 18:32:54 1/2. PleasingFungus the Champion of Chaos (L27 DsFi of Makhleb), mangled by an orc warrior (a +2,+3 orcish war axe) (led by an orc high priest) on Zig:11 on 2014-01-23 01:59:51, with 723274 points after 93346 turns and 12:02:07. 18:32:57 huh 18:33:00 rip 18:33:01 I thought I'd won one 18:33:02 ...wait, ac is base damage, hahaha 18:33:11 good trick 18:33:20 well, now I have! 18:33:23 alas, too late for the tourney 18:33:30 wait, ac is base damage? 18:33:30 if only I'd played like one day faster 18:33:33 worth pointing out that everyone assumes that dancing weapons do less damage than they do 18:33:39 bh: it is sad: you've got some time for the week, I've got a lecture upcoming (next week) and an article to finish :( Will do my death homework nonetheless, promised. 18:33:43 since they forget that it's wielding a weapon 18:33:54 dancing weapon (04() | Spd: 3 | HD: 15 | HP: 60 | AC/EV: 44/10 | Dam: 88 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 217 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 18:33:54 %??dancing weapon ; fruit unrand:dark_maul 18:33:55 fair point 18:33:59 oh haha, I see 18:33:59 max dam: 122 18:34:04 dpeg: I tried to outsource it to the Tavern, but they weren't quite cutting it 18:34:15 or maybe not, who knows how monster weapon damage works 18:34:19 if we had better morgue parsing, I could probably automate the entire thing 18:34:20 er, 132 18:34:26 good ac 18:34:48 You hit the dark maul but do no damage. 18:35:10 what was the point of "fruit" in that monster command? 18:35:19 because chokos are gone :( 18:35:38 rip 18:35:39 unrands skip the base aside for when the unrand is already placed (in which case it places the base), so "fruit" is obviously just for shortness 18:35:51 if only one could use "dart" 18:36:32 club 18:36:41 good cleavechat in ##crawl 18:36:51 !lg * rip max=ac 18:36:54 dark maul is sometimes akin to a club, too 18:36:55 2982550. Yunor the Invulnerable (L27 GrHe of The Shining One), blasted by a greater mummy (divine providence) on Zig:23 on 2013-07-30 05:33:04, with 1253796 points after 129018 turns and 10:57:16. 18:37:03 !lg * rip max=ac place=!zig 18:37:04 No games for * (rip place=!zig). 18:37:11 hrm, can I search for not zig? 18:37:12 !lg * rip max=ac x=ac,ev,sh 18:37:15 bh: yes, I saw it 18:37:16 2982550. [ac=95;ev=7;sh=49] Yunor the Invulnerable (L27 GrHe of The Shining One), blasted by a greater mummy (divine providence) on Zig:23 on 2013-07-30 05:33:04, with 1253796 points after 129018 turns and 10:57:16. 18:37:18 !lg * rip place!=zig max=ac x=ac,ev,sh 18:37:23 2981389. [ac=85;ev=6;sh=28] Horhen the Shatterer (L24 GrFi of Okawaru), blasted by a deep elf annihilator (iron shot) on Elf:3 (st_stairs_12) on 2014-09-12 12:32:25, with 469429 points after 59040 turns and 4:53:13. 18:37:33 85 AC. dang 18:37:42 ~*~*~dang~*~*~ 18:37:45 !lg * rip place!=zig max=ac x=ac,ev,sh -log 18:37:48 bh: I spent quite some hours in private chat with Sequell, going through potentially interesting deaths. 18:37:50 2981389. Horhen, XL24 GrFi, T:59040: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Horhen/morgue-Horhen-20140912-123225.txt 18:37:55 level 24 and dying in Elf? 18:38:22 Pacra: ? 18:38:23 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/morgue-qw-20140817-220735.txt rip qw :( 18:38:29 anything interesting? 18:38:39 bh: I would really like to add that death while climbing the D:1 stairs... I hope there is a message for stair ascending. 18:38:51 such a fine climax to the book 18:38:53 dpeg: yeah, that's a good one 18:39:00 "And you win... but you don't." 18:39:10 #cheireasons 18:39:30 bad idea: polearms do more damage to centaurs :) 18:39:55 badder idea: make centaurs good at non-polearms 18:40:17 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:42 PleasingFungus: i was being sardonic 18:40:47 (sorry!) 18:40:48 o 18:40:50 dang 18:41:00 I'm thinking about simplifying cleaving per a discussion I had with |amethyst a few months ago 18:41:05 so it's on my mind 18:41:06 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 18:41:28 Bloax: I don't think it was Chei. 18:42:26 dpeg: with chei it would've been possible to kick them out of your LOS 18:43:22 PleasingFungus: hm? 18:44:58 Grunt: removing the complicated mechanic where walls can block cleaving under certain circumstances, and making it so cleaving attacks always (try to) hit everything around you 18:45:19 that's one change, not two, sorry 18:45:49 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:46:42 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:47:16 PleasingFungus: yes, mechanics over realism 18:48:16 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:48:28 (todo: bring back tuple swords) 18:48:31 <_< 18:48:31 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:36 tuple swords? 18:48:44 shorthand for double and triple swords 18:48:47 (falchion, claymore) 18:48:48 think of it as n-tuple :) 18:48:55 well 18:49:00 triple swords are on the 0.16 todo 18:49:03 good 18:49:05 ("Shaft", ("Blade", "Blade", "Blade)) 18:49:11 derp 18:49:16 Hilt maybe. 18:49:24 oh, right, I was going to ask about something about 18:49:30 %git a6557fe2ad 18:49:30 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-660-ga6557fe: Draw random demon types in Pan from the local pools first. 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 37+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6557fe2ad13 18:50:10 and how it makes my plan for a guaranteed demonic rune vault of just placing four/five pan lord vaults on one floor rather boring 18:50:25 dpeg: the argument for keeping the current system wasn't 'realism', to be fair, it was to encourage axe users to not fight in situations like... being in a 1-wide corridor with enemies on both sides 18:50:34 but I mean 18:50:51 (since greater demon and any demon are affected by this even without an explicit floor list) 18:50:54 axe users are still encouraged not to do that by virtue of not wanting to be in a corridor with enemies on both sides 18:51:38 anyway I was going to do this a few months ago, but the current cleaving code is kind of scarily complex 18:51:45 so I put it off 18:52:01 theTower: you want to make the demonic rune on a floor with four or five random pan lords? 18:52:01 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:52:54 well, no, I was going to just make the guaranteed demonic rune vaults get a floor warning and use serial vault code to place assoiciated decorations, this was just a logical extension of that 18:53:47 also I think there was some discussion of combining this with the "five-floor pan boss-rush" idea, but that's not required 18:54:08 yeah, not sure how I feel about the "boss rush" idea 18:54:18 but I don't know exactly what it will be 18:54:41 the non-fixed-lord floor can use said serial vaults if it does end up existing, anyway, but this seems interesting regardless of that 18:55:09 ("interesting") 18:55:27 interest! *crowd goes wild!* 18:55:51 * PleasingFungus compounds 18:55:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140929030205]] 18:56:30 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 18:56:44 I do like the floor warning idea for guaranteed vaults 18:56:49 hrm 18:57:40 I prefer the exploration aspect for the demonic rune as a contrast to the warning/fixed bosses for the other 4 18:58:18 you can still do that if you don't want to do hellion island!! 18:58:27 or holypan, I guess 18:59:02 for some of them it's something of a spoiler too 18:59:36 yeah, that was another concern 19:00:17 remove the guarantees, each vault has probability of rune related to total enemy HD or something :) 19:00:38 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:41 well it'd just end up that hellion island always gets it anyhow 19:00:45 sadly I cannot even begin to guess how to do it 19:00:55 err, s|it|that| 19:00:56 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00:58 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:01:24 I guess it's fair to argue that the guaranteed ones can be sufficiently dangerous that informing the player is no big deal 19:01:53 but it does ruin the "fun" of searching for the demonic rune to some degree 19:02:11 searching for a rune is still in abyss :P 19:02:16 yeah 19:02:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:23 (of course, I was also going to buff some of those guaranteed ones) 19:02:38 I don't think you'd make many people (no offense to rchandra) upset if you made demonic rune searching less time-consuming 19:02:44 -!- odiv_ is now known as odiv 19:03:08 i've personally found searching for the other runes more time-consuming overall 19:03:22 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:38 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:38 hmm. since I'm making them serial vaults, even without a warning it'd still be more likely to see the hint of the vaults if you... know what that's warning of, hrm. 19:03:57 heh, yeah 19:04:03 usually I end up finding the demonic first or second without looking too hard, but I'm not sure how much of that is because I recognize 4 or so guaranteed vaults 19:04:05 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04:28 well with Pan, one thing that's important in my mind is giving the player time to ramp up their character xp-wise to transition to hell/tomb 19:05:06 I know there are a lot of ideas about swapping hell/pan etc, but pan's difficulty sits at a pretty good place relative to hell/tomb 19:05:34 (how nice it is that I plan to fix up ds designs too :P) 19:06:14 well I hope it's not to make them 3x more difficult :) 19:06:15 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:06:40 black suns seems to be the general consensus for most dangerous ds monsters 19:07:13 ??demonspawn[4 19:07:14 demonspawn[4/4]: Classes include {warmonger}, {blood saint}, {chaos champion}, {black sun}, and {corrupter}, on top of said bases (and all but blood saints are priests). Base demonspawn are fodder by pan time, bases and classes each have chances for themed/mixed bands, singular placements in pan lord vaults, and cut into neqoxec/smoke demon pan spawns. 19:07:19 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:07:20 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schnarch] 19:07:23 gelid corrupter (096) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 67-114 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1369 | Sp: plane rend, corrupt body | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:07:23 %??corrupter 19:07:31 those have also given me trouble 19:07:37 !lg gammafunk pan 19:07:38 5. gammafunk the Convoker (L18 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by a Balrug (fireball) in Pandemonium on 2014-09-01 20:51:58, with 328552 points after 24155 turns and 6:55:14. 19:07:40 !lg gammafunk pan s=ktyp 19:07:42 5 games for gammafunk (pan): 3x beam, mon, quitting 19:07:45 ??pleasingfungus[3] 19:07:45 pleasingfungus[3/11]: Too much to do, not enough time to keep this TODO up to date. Full TODO (arranged in order of most to least likely): https://www.dropbox.com/s/cds3nzv7rshm5u3/annuv.rtf 19:08:11 !lg * br=pan ikiller=~demonspawn 19:08:12 3. keymashgrqeeg the Fetichist (L22 DsGl of Trog), mangled by an infernal demonspawn (a cursed -3,-3 great sword) in Pandemonium on 2014-05-26 19:00:57, with 481201 points after 21611 turns and 5:29:35. 19:08:17 !lg * br=pan ikiller=~demonspawn s=ikiller 19:08:18 3 games for * (br=pan ikiller=~demonspawn): 2x a putrid demonspawn, an infernal demonspawn 19:08:43 hrm. If you're wearing duplicate rings and put on a different ring, it doesn't ask which ring you want to take off. But if you have different rings and want to swap in for a duplicate, you get a prompt 19:08:49 need to make a keyword for their classes 19:09:30 oh, yeah 19:09:34 that's why! 19:09:37 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:47 !lg * br=pan ikiller=warmonger 19:09:48 No games for * (br=pan ikiller=warmonger). 19:09:52 !lg * br=pan ikiller=~warmonger 19:09:52 6. 1010011010 the Intangible (L25 FeBe of Trog), slain by a torturous warmonger (a +4 vampiric demon trident) in Pandemonium on 2014-08-29 12:54:19, with 591756 points after 128928 turns and 8:46:34. 19:10:02 ug 19:10:13 tisk tisk, he cut out the quote of my plans 19:10:20 !kw warm warmonger 19:10:22 No keyword 'warmonger' 19:10:30 aw 19:10:32 !lg * br=pan ikiller=~warmonger|black_sun 19:10:32 No games for * (br=pan ikiller=~warmonger|black_sun). 19:10:44 !lg * br=pan ikiller=~black_sun 19:10:44 i think | is not working right 19:10:45 8. asanbosam the Englaciator (L27 VpIE of Makhleb), blasted by a monstrous black sun (dispel undead) in Pandemonium on 2014-09-29 11:00:33, with 835685 points after 116463 turns and 16:24:20. 19:10:54 !lg * br=pan (( ikiller=~warmonger || ikiller=~black_sun )) s=ikiller 19:10:54 14 games for * (br=pan ((ikiller=~warmonger || ikiller=~black_sun))): 4x a torturous warmonger, 3x a monstrous black sun, 2x a putrid warmonger, 2x a torturous black sun, 2x an infernal black sun, a gelid black sun 19:10:57 !lg devteam br=pan killer~~black_sun 19:10:58 1. wheals the Anemomancer (L27 MuVM of Ashenzari), slain by a torturous black sun (a +0 mace) in Pandemonium on 2014-09-04 22:31:31, with 732638 points after 121994 turns and 5:21:49. 19:11:00 <3 19:11:05 !lg * br=pan (( ikiller=~warmonger || ikiller=~black_sun )) s=ckiller 19:11:05 14 games for * (br=pan ((ikiller=~warmonger || ikiller=~black_sun))): 4x a torturous warmonger, 3x a monstrous black sun, 2x a putrid warmonger, 2x a torturous black sun, 2x an infernal black sun, a gelid black sun 19:11:08 grr 19:11:58 !lg * br=pan (( ikiller=~warmonger || ikiller=~black_sun || ikiller=~blood_saint || ikiller=~corrupter )) s=ckiller 19:11:59 18 games for * (br=pan ((ikiller=~warmonger || ikiller=~black_sun || ikiller=~blood_saint || ikiller=~corrupter))): 4x a torturous warmonger, 3x a monstrous black sun, 2x a putrid warmonger, 2x a torturous black sun, 2x an infernal black sun, a golden dragon, a torturous blood saint, an ancient champion, an orc high priest, a gelid black sun 19:12:08 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 19:12:53 !kw dsclasskill (( ikiller=~warmonger || ikiller=~black_sun || ikiller=~blood_saint || ikiller=~corrupter || ikiller=~chaos_champion )) 19:12:56 Defined keyword: dsclasskill => (( ikiller=~warmonger || ikiller=~black_sun || ikiller=~blood_saint || ikiller=~corrupter || ikiller=~chaos_champion )) 19:13:02 something like: double epheraml infusion healing and halve its duration, make legendary destruction actually use a tracer, switch chaotic mirror to durations and uneven all of its effects while adding more minor beneficial ones, making corrupt body penetrate because funny summons flavour and also not be blocked by summons (but have a short range), give grand avatars dual random weapons 19:13:02 !lg devteam dsclasskill 19:13:04 1. wheals the Anemomancer (L27 MuVM of Ashenzari), slain by a torturous black sun (a +0 mace) in Pandemonium on 2014-09-04 22:31:31, with 732638 points after 121994 turns and 5:21:49. 19:13:20 dual random weapon randarts 19:13:34 i wonder whether i broke legendary dest tracing even more 19:13:50 maybe I should just make my own plans document public 19:15:14 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:14 (after all, things went so well the last time I wrote up essays) 19:15:57 Donald (02@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 84 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious | Res: 06magic(93), 12drown | XP: 1782 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:15:57 %??donald 19:15:59 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 19:15:59 %??fire dragon 19:16:22 !learn set gammafunk[1] TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low eights, mons_glyph player, tile_player_tile can use any tile and set offsets, moon wizlab, depths encompass 19:16:23 gammafunk[1/12]: TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low eights, mons_glyph player, tile_player_tile can use any tile and set offsets, moon wizlab, depths encompass 19:16:33 low eights 19:16:43 88888 19:16:51 that sounds high 19:17:10 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/eights/weight/ 19:17:10 gammafunk[1/12]: TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low weight, mons_glyph player, tile_player_tile can use any tile and set offsets, moon wizlab, depths encompass 19:17:29 !send the_moon gammafunk 19:17:29 Sending gammafunk to the_moon. 19:17:40 possibly Mun 19:17:50 to mu_the_moon 19:18:06 I tend to think of the unrand wizlabs being the ones who created those artefacts 19:18:23 sure, I think that's the idea 19:18:26 why did the moon trolls make a moon troll armour, what terrible implications seem under the surface 19:18:28 PleasingFungus, the bestworst badidea I've ever seen just got posted 19:18:32 !?!?!? 19:18:48 Brannock_: have you heard of bcadren? 19:18:55 good ol' bcadren 19:19:26 is this cicadalek's thing 19:20:31 god of orbs 19:20:34 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:20:38 demigod of klowns 19:20:39 it could work 19:20:48 I was going to ask if it was minmay's mutagenic corpse drop rate 19:20:55 I'm probably about to push that 19:20:55 he is so off the wall! 19:21:00 since I agree with him 19:21:02 * Grunt pushes PleasingFungus. 19:21:02 god of orbs? 19:21:02 * Sequell also pushes PleasingFungus. 19:21:05 !!! 19:21:07 no fair 19:21:09 don't get so pushy Sequell!!! 19:21:24 PleasingFungus: you what? welcome to the dark side. crate will prepare the ceremony for you 19:21:25 * geekosaur pushes Sequell 19:21:28 bah 19:21:39 I've always agreed with both minmay and crate about more things than not 19:21:55 I also very strongly disagree with them about a lot of things 19:21:58 I've missed not having dck on point 19:22:22 my opinion on this matter is so well worn I probably can't see the horizon from the groove in the ground 19:22:38 haha 19:23:08 you have opinions on mutagenic corpses???? 19:23:21 -!- markgo` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:23:25 I like to think of hangedman as conan in that opening scene where he's pushing that wheel around for years 19:23:51 my opinion on mutagenic corpses is that is NOT how mutations work and as a biologist it RUINS my immersion 19:23:54 !learn e wheals[2] s/$/, spell_weapon_check 19:23:54 wheals[2/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, leeches, give xtahua red drac breath (and clear out mon-abil as much as possible), ambient noise, refactor spell noise, make ghost crabs better :(, merge carni & sapro, bring back plague shamblers (sorta), spell_weapon_check 19:24:01 https://www.dropbox.com/s/cds3nzv7rshm5u3/annuv.rtf 19:24:05 ... 19:24:09 hate mouse hate mouse hate mouse 19:24:16 <|amethyst> %git b400b11 19:24:16 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-1969-gb400b11: Giant spores are fungi. 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b400b11c33a4 19:25:06 actually, xtahua red drac breath is a terrible idea now since those clouds don't mean anything past earlygame =\ 19:25:23 (still do it anyway though) 19:25:24 (hellfire clouds when) 19:25:27 <_< 19:25:28 |amethyst: do we store structured morgues, or just the text ones? 19:26:10 <|amethyst> bh: just the text ones, along with the item .lst files, which are somewhat more structured 19:26:22 hellfire clouds exist, just on the opposite side of the spectrum 19:26:39 |amethyst: hrm, ok. I was trying to figure out if there was an easy way or parsing the maps out 19:26:56 draining and acidic monster cloud use is planned for the future anyway 19:27:11 (need to make all clouds check half ac anyway) 19:27:24 <|amethyst> vitriol crab 19:27:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-923-gc0d8b4d: Normalise mutagenic corpse drop rates (minmay) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0d8b4d6e661 19:27:48 hey pleasingfungus are you going to use that name for the acid 2 19:28:16 crab is a weird name for a 2 19:28:26 vitriol demon could be ok, tho 19:28:31 ( :p ) 19:28:32 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:33 crabs should be crabs, otherwise I'll get crabby 19:28:40 so many blant demon and devil names 19:28:54 blant (05a) | Spd: 12 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 808(poison:6-12) | Res: 06magic(12) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 34 | Sz: small | Int: insect. 19:28:54 %??worker ant name:blant n_rpl 19:28:55 no no, it's a "devil", not a "demon" 19:29:04 know the difference! 19:29:13 need to put onto that devwiki page "actually shove those demons into real myths or something" 19:29:30 <|amethyst> we should totally have a branch themed around being in the guts of some huge monster 19:29:31 i don't think there are many real myths that divide demons by their type of elemental damage, though 19:29:50 |amethyst: that's an idea that keeps coming up, but it's hard to do right 19:30:07 nicolae-: ok, which divide demons up by their resistances then? 19:30:10 s|branch|portal| 19:30:11 current plan is rust devils and vitriol demons 19:30:21 yeah a portal 19:30:29 ref 19:30:31 iron devil (104) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 29-58 | AC/EV: 16/8 | Dam: 14, 14 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 401 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:30:31 %??iron devil 19:30:36 blizzard demon (122) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 49-83 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 20, 20 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 1123 | Sp: b.lightning (3d18), freezing cloud (2d22), airstrike (0-34), b.cold (3d21) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 19:30:36 %??blizzard demon 19:30:47 blizzard demons ;_; 19:30:55 you want to change blizzards? 19:30:55 there, there. 19:30:58 those are very good 19:31:08 I just feel for their freezing cloud nerf 19:31:10 he does, I was just using them to reference naming schemes 19:31:24 hrm 19:31:26 ??orange demon 19:31:27 orange demon[1/1]: 4 with reaching poison attack that gives the {weakness} status. Vaguely notable for being one of the few demons with no rPois. It's orange. 19:31:35 hm 19:31:36 what we need are big fancy adjectives with greek and latin roots 19:31:48 !lg * cv>=0.15-a br=pan s=ikiller 19:31:49 234 games for * (cv>=0.15-a br=pan): 35x Cerebov, 24x a Hell Sentinel, 24x a hellion, 16x a Brimstone Fiend, 14x a balrug, 11x, 11x a smoke demon, 6x Lom Lobon, 5x an Executioner, 5x Mnoleg, 5x Gloorx Vloq, 5x a blizzard demon, 4x a daeva, 4x an Ice Fiend, 3x a monstrous black sun, 3x a cacodemon, 2x a torturous warmonger, 2x an infernal black sun, 2x the fury of Okawaru, 2x a lorocyproca, 2x a su... 19:31:50 fr: big orange demons 19:31:50 <|amethyst> oxy- means "sharp" 19:31:55 demons love greek and latin roots 19:32:15 lorocyproca sounds kind of greco-latin 19:32:24 felis keyboardicus 19:33:18 but if demons are made more greek then they have to go into shoals 19:34:25 <|amethyst> demons should all have names taken from mediaeval Tuscan 19:35:02 (quick someone come up with a rough Latin translation of "blizzard") 19:35:02 <_< 19:35:37 gimme a sec 19:35:39 * dpeg wonders if devils use vi, and demons use emacs. 19:35:43 "nix tempestas" suggests the powerful Google Translate 19:35:50 PleasingFungus: that's "snow storm" 19:35:50 :b 19:35:55 yeah I know 19:36:04 you said rough!!! 19:36:33 tempest might be a good base for a new name though! >_> 19:36:50 TEMPTESTINATOR 19:36:58 i always thought you were inside a monster in cigo's 19:37:06 Apropos minmay ideas: I flaked f0r 0.15 in proposing the unique update. Gotta do that for 0.16 at least -- as soon as the wand identifiers are in :) 19:37:08 Tempest Tantrum Demon 19:37:15 what unique update? 19:37:18 well, you see, delmons can use the junction system, and 19:37:43 nicolae-: an old forum thread, where people scrutinised unique xp, and proposed changes. The data is already there. 19:37:59 <|amethyst> ningorgg 19:38:03 <|amethyst> er 19:38:21 ah, yes 19:38:23 <|amethyst> ningor 19:39:08 <|amethyst> I think that's probably the wrong part 19:42:00 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:42:16 |amethyst: do you feel strongly about what features are acceptable to cherry-pick into 0.15? 19:42:30 tempest tyrant 19:42:31 got it 19:42:45 ! 19:42:49 sounds like a fun monster 19:42:50 give it tornado too 19:42:50 what does it do? 19:43:03 I was thinking the tiles change would be nice (and probably the mons_glyph player when I get to that) 19:43:03 tempest tyrant (122) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 49-83 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 20, 20 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 1123 | Sp: b.lightning (3d18), freezing cloud (2d22), airstrike (0-34), b.cold (3d21) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 19:43:03 %??blizzard demon name:tempest_tyrant n_rpl 19:43:03 next do shadow demon 19:43:05 well, it tempests, tyrannically 19:43:22 clearly missing suppression 19:46:16 hm I need a better second word for this one, but 19:46:23 umbral oppressor (062) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 7/12 | Dam: 21 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 713 | Sp: shadow creatures, sum.demon | Sz: small | Int: high. 19:46:23 %??shadow demon name:umbral_oppressor n_rpl 19:46:38 caliginator 19:46:46 !banish nicolae- 19:46:47 Grunt casts a spell. nicolae- is devoured by a tear in reality! 19:46:51 are all demons The Man now 19:46:56 <|amethyst> better than the caligulator 19:46:57 I like this notion 19:47:28 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: sleep] 19:48:49 umbral oppressor just sounds like a homestuck character 19:49:09 * Grunt convulses! 19:50:05 maybe it's okay to have a few things named "demon" as long as the adjective isn't bland 19:50:26 !tell doy re your old corrosion-wears-off-by-steps idea: it seems like it'd be really annoying when resting? 19:50:27 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let doy know. 19:50:39 !send nicolae- cacodemons 19:50:39 Sending cacodemons to nicolae-. 19:50:43 if we don't use the word Shadow how will dith get to use them in his wrath 19:51:00 umbra is basically shadow with a hat on 19:51:16 It's shadow... with a ridiculous Latin accent 19:51:46 umbra (06W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 15-35 | AC/EV: 7/10 | Dam: 1406(shadow stab) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 219 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 19:51:46 %??shadow name:umbra n_rpl 19:52:44 <|amethyst> not a demon, but if you need an aligned human mage, might I suggest "scotomancer" 19:53:01 |amethyst: s/Hellbinder/? 19:53:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-924-g8eb3a9c: Fix a terrible (and extremely incorrect) comment 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8eb3a9c7a5f3 19:53:33 obviously replace those ps that have silly class name overlap with fancier names 19:54:23 where is reaverb to lecture on inaccurate commit messages 19:54:37 hm, not seeing why fireballs are louder than 15 noise 19:54:39 because this is the most serious example to date 19:54:40 but 19:54:43 hahaha 19:55:30 in all seriousness I'm not sure about formatting rules for doxygen 19:55:52 I guess it's nice if they're pretty, but the idea is you read the html 19:55:56 too bad we don't make that 19:56:03 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:33 it does make it more time-consuming to make them, though 19:57:28 didn't wheals just make the html like half an hour ago 19:57:32 PleasingFungus: not any moreso than poison 19:57:32 doy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:57:35 !messages 19:57:35 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (7m 9s ago): re your old corrosion-wears-off-by-steps idea: it seems like it'd be really annoying when resting? 19:57:47 You feel sick. x8 19:57:51 maybe someone kind could host something on a server 19:57:51 well wheals has yet to share his hard drive over the internet 19:58:04 poison had a huge mechanical change specifically to make it not annoying to rest through 19:58:08 yeah we talked about it, but... 19:58:25 this could just have a runrest_ignore_message in default 19:58:26 probably 19:58:51 I was thinking about that, but 19:58:52 runrest_ignore_runrest_ignore_message 19:58:52 imo 19:58:52 <|amethyst> As long as you don't have an interrupt on the "corrosion decreased" message I don't see the problem 19:59:15 right now, I hit '5', and it stops resting once the corrosion goes away 19:59:32 <|amethyst> so have corrosion expiring completely interrupt 19:59:34 I guess you could have different messages for partially and completely losing corr - yes 19:59:37 ok. 19:59:45 I am happy now 19:59:50 lies 19:59:54 :) 19:59:54 you're a developer for crawl 20:00:04 then there's the fact that corrosion probably stacks to much 20:00:09 1learn add devteam 20:00:14 please fix so tabstorm doesn't bring it up literally every day 20:00:15 gammafunk: what, you don't like -270 AC? 20:00:24 Grunt: -720 imo!!! 20:00:25 !lg * min=ac x=ac 20:00:29 3632874. [ac=-270] gw the Basher (L11 DDGl of Makhleb), blasted by an oklob plant (splash of acid) on Lair:1 (minmay_lair_oklob_tunnel) on 2014-09-14 17:13:08, with 11812 points after 10344 turns and 0:12:24. 20:00:36 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:36 nice 20:00:50 gammafunk: qw has done better offline apparently 20:00:51 what argument could be better 20:01:04 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:01:47 (actually, I think acid is quite hard to apply at times if you're using a decent ev character, and it seems to weaken the whole distinguishing effect as such) 20:02:02 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:02:17 (also corrosive bolt needs multiple levels since it's a solitary spell for mixed spellset monsters or it might as well just be bolt of earth) 20:02:23 (blah blah blah blah) 20:02:28 well if you go into slime wearing "rcorr you get the corrossion mallus very heavilly and quite fast 20:02:45 <|amethyst> add another damage type, sludge, that is easily resisted with AC, but that reduces your EV when it hits 20:02:51 that is the tricky part, yes 20:03:14 gammafunk: do you mean 'not wearing'? 20:03:17 well, either way, really 20:03:18 no I mean wearing 20:03:27 03PleasingFungus02 07[zig-evokable] * 0.16-a0-918-g7515f9e: Tweak zigfig description 10(65 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7515f9e2fc32 20:03:29 went in without rcorr today and got -18 corr very very fast. it was distressing 20:03:35 gammafunk: drop into bh's game for a moment 20:03:46 also I'm really hoping that 'zigfig' will catch on 20:04:01 <|amethyst> zignificant figures 20:04:19 <|amethyst> Zigmund 20:04:20 when's efreet figurines 20:04:40 mmm Zigmund 20:04:58 Bad item name: 'robe superb_item' 20:04:58 %??Sigmund name:Zigmund n_rpl hd:27 ; fruit unrand:scythe_of_curses . robe superb_item 20:09:59 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:59 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 20:09:59 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 20:10:00 http://sprunge.us/fXjI opine 20:10:07 clearly they're all actually under xl14 20:10:29 i don't think it needs a hard cap 20:10:46 maybe more of an elven leather cap? 20:10:46 9 seems pretty low for a hard cap, in any case 20:10:47 but black dracs fly! 20:11:00 yeah idk 20:11:05 PleasingFungus: my test would be a melee fight with trj 20:11:08 someone come up with a better formula 20:11:28 this one kind of implies a hard cap 20:11:30 x_chance_in_y(prev_corr, prev_corr + n) 20:11:34 pick an n 20:11:49 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 20:11:51 somehow I am not greatly concerned about fighting a unique boss that has produces more sources of corrosion for evaluating the need for a corrosion cap 20:12:11 I'm not talking about a cap 20:12:14 ah, that is a better formula 20:12:20 sorry, I'm still kind of out of it 20:12:25 n ~= 10 for a close match to your formula imo 20:12:43 (maybe 9??) 20:12:49 really though, i don't think it's that relevant when all corrosion wears off in the same amount of time anyway 20:12:58 I mean we're talking about the use of "rcorr here 20:13:02 whether you have -50 or -270, it's basically the same 20:13:26 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:40 wow, there's so much in rltiles/unused but not triple swords 20:13:44 what a travesty 20:13:53 (which is why i liked the idea of gradual wearing off 20:14:14 doy: combine the two 20:14:25 doy whether you have -50 or -270, it's basically the same <- this seems transparently false 20:14:32 well 20:14:37 actually nvm 20:14:40 I should sleep 20:14:53 !send sleep PleasingFungus 20:15:08 Sending PleasingFungus to sleep. 20:15:08 Aizul casts a spell. PleasingFungus falls asleep! 20:15:09 fuckin' aizul, man 20:15:15 what's the DEAL with that guy 20:15:20 he is a big jerk 20:15:26 !lg * ikiller=Aizul 20:15:27 1629. eustach the Hoplite (L17 DsCK of Xom), succumbed to Aizul's bolt of poison on Swamp:1 on 2014-09-28 17:20:52, with 165453 points after 57992 turns and 7:04:26. 20:15:31 !lg . ikiller=Aizul 20:15:32 2. SGrunt the Bringer of Law (L16 HuAr of Zin), slain by Aizul on Snake:2 on 2013-11-11 16:53:08, with 101228 points after 53477 turns and 2:31:40. 20:15:34 what 20:15:35 twice 20:15:38 !lg . ikiller=Aizul 1 20:15:39 1/2. SGrunt the Scorcher (L17 DEFE of Vehumet), blasted by Aizul (bolt of poison) on D:19 on 2012-06-19 03:05:50, with 195103 points after 57163 turns and 4:14:21. 20:15:40 !lg * ikiller=Aizul s=status 20:15:40 1629 games for * (ikiller=Aizul): 297x, 117x mildly poisoned, 110x very poisoned, 74x quite poisoned, 42x extremely poisoned, 28x lethally poisoned, 26x about to teleport,mildly poisoned, 19x about to teleport,very poisoned, 19x very poisoned,hasted, 18x about to teleport,quite poisoned, 16x about to teleport, 15x non-regenerating,extremely poisoned, 10x non-regenerating,very poisoned, 9x quite po... 20:15:49 heh 20:15:53 good about to teleport 20:15:54 !lg devteam ikiller=Aizul s=name 20:15:55 36 games for devteam (ikiller=Aizul): 4x gammafunk, 4x wheals, 4x bh, 4x erisdiscordia, 3x MarvinPA, 3x 78291, 2x sorear, 2x dpeg, 2x SGrunt, evilmike, itsmu, KiloByte, SamB, Napkin, neil, greensnark, Medar 20:16:01 gammafunk: rip 20:16:07 he always gets me when he walks into los 20:16:11 !lg devteam ikiller~~Asterion s=name 20:16:11 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:12 2 games for devteam (ikiller~~Asterion): wheals, Lasty 20:16:13 but 20:16:14 well when I walk him into los 20:16:16 gammafunk 20:16:17 what, lasty 20:16:18 one of my Aizul deaths was me, silencing myself and then trying to berserk 20:16:19 he can't walk!!!! 20:16:19 !lg devteam ikiller~~Vashnia s=name 20:16:20 One game for devteam (ikiller~~Vashnia): Lasty 20:16:23 ouch 20:16:25 poor Lasty 20:16:45 !lg * killer=the_serpent_of_hell cv=0.16-a vlong>=0.16-a0-423-g28a7641 20:16:46 4. Sharkman1231 the Conqueror (L27 DrWz of Ashenzari), blasted by the Serpent of Hell (flash freeze) on Coc:7 (coc_old) on 2014-09-28 01:37:08, with 956407 points after 90618 turns and 5:40:11. 20:16:53 !lm * uniq=the_serpent_of_hell cv=0.16-a vlong>=0.16-a0-423-g28a7641 20:16:54 42. [2014-09-29 23:25:29] lakren the Vine Blade (L27 VSAs of Zin) killed the Serpent of Hell on turn 86526. (Geh:7) 20:17:07 wow, I guess that SoH buff worked 20:17:09 8.7% now 20:17:10 !killratio the_serpent_of_hell * cv=0.16-a vlong>=0.16-a0-423-g28a7641 20:17:12 the_serpent_of_hell wins 8.695% of battles against * (cv=0.16-a vlong>=0.16-a0-423-g28a7641). 20:17:16 mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 20:17:16 -!- Kashira has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:17:17 * theTower plans quietly as he readies to introduce another source of sleep 20:17:30 Aizul^2 20:17:31 I ran into tar soh on my last guy and that miasma breath was unpleasant 20:17:35 but mostly because I was playing too fast 20:17:36 i think that's a pretty comfortable ratio 20:17:36 0.15 20:17:43 since it'll likely continue to go down as people get used to it 20:17:54 yeah that's what tends to happen with unique changes 20:18:02 !killratio asterion 20:18:04 asterion wins 2.824% of battles. 20:18:10 !killratio asterion * t0.14 20:18:12 asterion wins 3.259% of battles against * (t0.14). 20:18:15 no no no think of the last unsplit enchantments 20:18:34 unsplit enchantments? 20:19:01 !send gammafunk Charms/Hexes 20:19:02 Sending Charms/Hexes to gammafunk. 20:19:08 heh, way before my time 20:19:20 * PleasingFungus splits the enchantment like a bomb! 20:19:28 * Grunt spits the bomb like a pig!!! 20:19:43 huh, should corrosion really still amuse xom? 20:19:49 probably not 20:19:50 that seems like it's leftover from when it had a permanent impact 20:19:52 yeah 20:20:02 here is another hint: hells 20:20:17 also I think maybe getting corroded should always increase dur, just not always increase the stacks necessarily? 20:20:18 maybe put in a small chance each turn that xom is amused by what happened on that turn 20:20:45 I'm kinda concerned about the messaging being confusing for 'dur increased but stacks not increased' 20:20:47 idk 20:20:50 someone decide for me 20:21:22 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21:24 can I decide for you to make monster corrosion stack 20:21:36 sounds like work 20:22:35 -!- Nstar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:23:06 but how else will player yellow dracs become strong enough to not make people frustrated with getting them 20:23:11 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:51 they're already strong imo 20:24:53 well 20:25:00 for draconians, anyway 20:28:12 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:28:47 !lg PleasingFungus dr won 20:28:48 1. PleasingFungus the Metallomancer (L26 DrCj of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-02-17 19:41:14, with 1417630 points after 99968 turns and 10:41:06. 20:29:04 well, I won't say anything bad because it's the right god 20:29:08 haha 20:29:50 !lg . dr won x=race 20:29:50 1. [race=Grey Draconian] SGrunt the Grand Master (L27 DrMo of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-07-12 16:54:00, with 1396896 points after 99453 turns and 7:04:33. 20:30:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-925-g28d58c8: Reduce odds of corrosion with # of stacks 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=28d58c8d8eb0 20:30:23 !lg . dr s=race 20:30:23 17 games for PleasingFungus (dr): 9x Draconian, 4x Yellow Draconian, 2x Purple Draconian, 2x Red Draconian 20:30:23 huh 20:31:00 oh, I forgot to mention in the commit message that the corrosion messaging is bad 20:31:02 it is 20:31:09 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:31:15 what is it currently 20:31:24 (it's been a while since i've actually played...) 20:31:39 !gamesby . dr 20:31:39 gammafunk (dr) has played 4 games, between 2013-04-01 02:24:07 and 2013-08-31 00:41:04, won 1 (25.0%), high score 12440597, total score 12444786, total turns 146753, play-time/day 0:09:24, total time 23:58:14. 20:31:45 huh 20:31:49 when did that change 20:32:02 !lg . dr s=race 20:32:03 4 games for gammafunk (dr): 2x Draconian, Purple Draconian, Pale Draconian 20:32:12 !lg gammafunk dr won x=race 1 20:32:13 1. [race=Pale Draconian] gammafunk the Middleweight Champion (L27 DrMo of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-04-09 03:59:31, with 12440597 points after 129850 turns and 21:48:14. 20:32:15 mmm 20:32:23 no I mean - right now it'll say that you're corroded when the stacks increase or when just the duration does 20:32:23 sounds like you should take your Dr games 20:32:25 !glasses 20:32:25 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 20:32:26 which is a thing I introduced 20:32:26 beyond the pale 20:32:28 !!!!!!!!! 20:32:39 the repair your equipment thing is also bad but w/e 20:32:41 (okay, fine, rephrase that: yellow drac is currently boringggggggggg) 20:32:42 also 20:32:43 !banish grunt 20:32:44 PleasingFungus casts a spell. grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 20:33:10 !lg * dr recent s=race / won 20:33:11 185/28989 games for * (dr recent): 32/799x Grey Draconian [4.01%], 24/861x Green Draconian [2.79%], 22/780x Red Draconian [2.82%], 21/837x White Draconian [2.51%], 21/796x Mottled Draconian [2.64%], 18/772x Purple Draconian [2.33%], 18/837x Yellow Draconian [2.15%], 15/823x Pale Draconian [1.82%], 14/813x Black Draconian [1.72%], 0/21671x Draconian [0.00%] 20:33:23 ??draconian challenge 20:33:23 draconian challenge[1/1]: Win a draconian without ever getting a colour, i.e., stay under level 7 the whole game. 20:33:37 much harder without olddraining 20:33:48 do yellow dracs get the full 50% ac drop on an acid bite? 20:34:17 I thought it was just one -4ac application and stacking duration 20:36:08 if (has_ench(ENCH_CORROSION)) 20:36:09 a /= 2; 20:36:24 full 50%, yes (if the bite corrodes) 20:36:24 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参!] 20:36:31 ...huh 20:36:36 that's a pretty big buff to player yellow dracs then 20:36:40 ya 20:36:42 also, heh 20:36:48 // Extra AC for snails/turtles drawn into their shells. 20:36:58 rip agatesnails 20:37:26 theTower: i think it's been that way since corrosion no longer damages items directly 20:37:40 er, since that change went in 20:37:49 hmmmm 20:38:07 TURTLE 20:38:27 * PleasingFungus rushes grunt! 20:38:36 where's the summoner turtle 20:38:50 to make that ac boost mean something 20:39:20 * Grunt jumps, nimbly avoiding the rush! 20:39:50 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:31 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15.1-2-g8fbdab7: Add an overlooked change to the changelog 10(12 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fbdab7e0b33 20:41:36 PleasingFungus: doh 20:41:53 it's also in the wrong place in the 0.16 changelog but I'm gonna fix that when I do the rest of this set of changelog updates 20:42:01 rip 20:44:00 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:44 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:50 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:02:38 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:15 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:49 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:03 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:05:38 -!- ldf_ has quit [Quit: ldf_] 21:06:31 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:06:47 -!- theTower has left ##crawl-dev 21:07:46 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:07:55 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:11:10 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:11:14 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:15:27 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:18:47 <|amethyst> hm, am I supposed to start without spells memorised now? 21:19:13 <|amethyst> ah, I see 21:19:16 |amethyst: it was a bug, it's already fixes 21:19:18 d* 21:19:22 <|amethyst> server doesn't have -915 yet, yeah 21:37:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:07 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:42:20 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:20 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:47:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:48:58 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:41 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:42 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:52:46 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:56:51 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:37 -!- Nstar has quit [Client Quit] 22:05:12 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:08:01 |amethyst: can i bother you to apply my monster patch again :P 22:10:01 wheals: you monster 22:11:46 <|amethyst> wheals: building 22:12:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:18 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:14:44 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:21:34 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 130 | AC/EV: 4/4 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 2688 | Sp: major destruction (3d27 / 3d20 / 3d22 / 3d24 / 3d28 / 3d25 / 3d6), spectral weapon, haste | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:21:34 <|amethyst> %??asterion 22:22:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-926-g454f9e4: Remove an unused function and prototype. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=454f9e46693f 22:22:14 minotaur (04H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 55-93 | AC/EV: 5/7 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(52) | XP: 1089 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:22:14 %??minotaur 22:22:16 mm 22:22:36 PleasingFungus: look what you forgot to remove 22:22:37 !!! 22:22:58 sloppy about removing function declarations as always 22:23:02 %git :/really make 22:23:02 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1992-gf1e799b: Remove dart(ing out from under net)s 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1e799b432ca 22:23:06 hm 22:23:10 %git :/in walls 22:23:10 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-411-ga6711e2: Make beams even more unable to hit monsters in walls. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6711e214bd7 22:26:17 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:58 I am having difficulty finding people getting significant corrosion with the most acidiest thing in the game without using stupid tactics and or no rCorr 22:29:36 theTower: you think the change to corr to make it stack less readily was not needed && you're investigating? 22:30:26 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:43 okay I am going to stop myself from making a pun response 22:31:05 how caustic of you 22:31:05 (don't hold back now!!!!!!) 22:31:12 Grunt: good advice 22:31:41 theTower: then our (corr)espondence is now over. good day 22:32:22 I hope that in the future your thinking will not be so base (I think 100 years ago this would be a grammatically correct English sentence) 22:32:46 Patashu: it still is imo 22:32:58 ok good 22:33:03 <|amethyst> such vitriol! 22:33:03 all your acid are belong to us 22:33:16 <|amethyst> acerbic even 22:33:32 in case of acid trance, drop the bass (base) 22:33:35 !lm * ac<0 ev>10 x=ac br=Slime -13 -tv:<0.5:>0.5:x1.5 22:33:36 43/55. enxombed, XL24 HECK, T:69277 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 22:35:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:34 I wish I could tell if these tvs had rCorr or not 22:38:08 (I am tempted to say that the first few levels of corrosion should be more likely if the later ones are much less likely) 22:38:18 zappy(zap, 0, beem); 22:38:24 wheals: ZAP ZAP ZAP 22:38:25 i love writing new lines like these 22:38:50 theTower: but you can tell can't you? 22:38:56 'The acid burns! You resist.' vs 'The acid burns!' 22:39:01 oh right 22:39:08 I should slow these down 22:39:35 -!- Amnesthesia is now known as Amnesthesia|Else 22:40:11 also, somehow I am not convinced that it is bad for somebody to get -100 ac by refusing to rest it back during a jelly swarm on orc:4 johnny0 :P 22:41:24 oh sorry, that was unrelated to the discussion -- i had an old query to sequell and decided to look at it 22:41:39 oh 22:41:55 odd coincidence 22:42:12 i think that was back from when i was trying to find the 50% for monsters thing 22:42:44 it's 50% for armoured monsters anyway 22:47:20 (fr hell sentinels, dispater count as armoured) 22:48:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:49:57 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:40 -!- Amnesthesia|Else is now known as Amnesthesia 22:55:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:56:23 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 22:57:16 -!- theTower has left ##crawl-dev 23:01:04 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:05:05 what do the things in the monster list in debug mode mean? 23:05:19 the letters/numbers after the monster name 23:05:43 what are the letters/numbers 23:05:59 orc av7 23:06:22 goblin av4 23:06:26 naga av27 23:06:27 etc. 23:07:47 <|amethyst> mons_avg_hp(type) 23:10:37 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:10:39 seems a bit random to put there but ok 23:11:24 <|amethyst> it was probably for debugging the danger tiers 23:12:59 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-927-g3146c9a: Change a special case for MONS_DRAGON genus to use a flag instead. 10(5 hours ago, 3 files, 19+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3146c9a268e4 23:12:59 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-928-g13d7ff6: Change the handling in spl-data.h for noise. 10(4 hours ago, 3 files, 313+ 316-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13d7ff6b6884 23:12:59 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-929-g8443c2e: Use the spell_effect_noise system in many places. 10(3 hours ago, 12 files, 68+ 79-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8443c2e98874 23:12:59 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-930-g68c73b8: Pull explosions into spell_effect_noise as well. 10(43 minutes ago, 4 files, 47+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68c73b8ed8ac 23:12:59 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-931-gfda4c2a: Remove the code special case for IOOD casting noise. 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fda4c2a4b730 23:12:59 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-932-g72cfd3c: Use a constant. 10(18 minutes ago, 6 files, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72cfd3c3af10 23:13:04 !learn e wheals[2] s/, refactor spell noise/ 23:13:05 wheals[2/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, leeches, give xtahua red drac breath (and clear out mon-abil as much as possible), ambient noise, make ghost crabs better :(, merge carni & sapro, bring back plague shamblers (sorta), spell_weapon_check 23:16:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:51 !learn e wheals[2] s/, speall_weapon_check/ 23:17:51 No change: regex `, speall_weapon_check` does not match `todo: fix ghost speed, leeches, give xtahua red drac breath (and clear out mon-abil as much as possible), ambient noise, make ghost crabs better :(, merge carni & sapro, bring back plague shamblers (sorta), spell_weapon_check` 23:18:01 !learn e wheals[2] s/, spell_weapon_check/ 23:18:01 wheals[2/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, leeches, give xtahua red drac breath (and clear out mon-abil as much as possible), ambient noise, make ghost crabs better :(, merge carni & sapro, bring back plague shamblers (sorta) 23:18:06 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-933-gb8ff4c7: Let Xom cast branding spells on branded weapons. 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8ff4c721767 23:19:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:56 -!- schistosoma has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:24:12 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:48 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:32:06 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:32 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:34:58 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:35:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:36 given 931e68f, should Monk get weapon choice (and possible He/DK removed)? 23:37:12 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:57 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:43:30 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-934-g3c99d91: Fix some double encoding. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c99d91d0eac 23:44:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-935-g3f07b6e: Put mid/mindex in names under fulldebug, controlled by &^Q. 10(26 minutes ago, 5 files, 14+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f07b6e50af5 23:46:46 -!- Twinge has quit [] 23:51:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:53:21 -!- mamaG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:33 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:54:22 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:55:00 Spriggan characters appear as Cerebov 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9000 by nilsbloodaxe 23:55:08 good bug 23:55:28 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:33 Put it in goodmantis imo 23:56:40 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:02 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 23:57:05 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev