00:00:40 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.2/20140917194002]] 00:01:36 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:01:46 hm. bug report: crawl uses the american 'billion', not the australian 00:02:04 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-778-g0731923 (34) 00:02:52 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:04:19 oh, nvm, apparently I'm out of date by exactly 40 years 00:04:47 bug closed: no change needed :( 00:07:45 rip 00:07:53 sounds like you're 00:07:56 a billion years too slow 00:07:57 ??????? 00:09:58 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:13:32 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:59 -!- Taraiph is now known as Tjaarraiyip 00:19:32 !send Grunt a billion-headed-Lernaean hydra 00:19:32 Sending a billion-headed-Lernaean hydra to Grunt. 00:22:29 omg, a very adorable thing 00:22:31 http://i.imgur.com/dEJdi1e.png 00:22:45 !send gammafunk an INT_MAX-headed Orb Guardian of fire 00:22:46 Sending an INT_MAX-headed Orb Guardian of fire to gammafunk. 00:24:03 yesss 00:24:11 gammafunk 00:24:14 I mean, should I even move the sword to one of the heads? 00:24:19 it'd great where it is 00:24:28 when are we getting to play the new race 00:24:39 hyfi. hyhe 00:24:53 number of heads = XL 00:24:59 nice 00:25:14 this is basically 1 thousand "fake races" 00:25:21 Grunt: The troll chops off one of your heads. You grow two more! Welcome to level 8! 00:25:28 PleasingFungus: <3 00:25:28 so every time someone says "hey how about a two-headed ettin species" 00:25:33 we can just give them the tile option 00:26:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:28:11 -!- Tjaarraiyip is now known as Taraiph 00:29:25 Henceforth, I will play exclusively as an irony devil. 00:30:19 I wonder what would be the most hilarious tile to play as 00:31:08 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:31:24 also adorable: http://i.imgur.com/ylOBJdH.png 00:32:50 erp! 00:33:30 I see you are also playing the noblest of all character options, the hufi:sbl, champion of 'people who just press enter repeatedly at character creation so they can get on with testing' 00:34:10 <3 00:34:11 imho do acid blob or royal jelly next 00:34:36 royal jelly only if you get the matching title 00:34:42 see also Executioner 00:34:46 or Green Death 00:36:16 !lg * ckiller=${title} 00:36:16 No games for * (ckiller=${title}). 00:36:17 fr 00:40:51 * doy presses * repeatedly, just to mix things up 00:41:14 doy likes to be in control I guess? 00:44:08 btw, numcmp() may be the Most C Function in crawl 00:44:56 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:54 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:47:32 Well some tiles obviously will need mcache entries: http://i.imgur.com/bAZndkR.png 00:47:37 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:47:40 I should document this and then have |amethyst take a look 00:51:34 how many of these are you gonna do? 00:51:53 hrm? It's just an rc option like 00:52:03 tile_player_tile = mons:gastronok 00:52:07 so I'm just testing it 00:52:22 it just allows and monster or monster tile 00:52:59 so you can do tile_player_tile = tile:mons_hydra_7 00:53:07 to get the full no. of heads on the tile 00:53:12 mons:hydra is pretty sad 00:53:19 since it's a 1-headed hydra 00:53:40 amazing 00:53:50 also 2 headed hydras look pretty dopey 00:53:56 never seen a 1-headed I don't think. 00:54:03 oh, I thought you were tweaking weapon/shield offsets 00:54:10 PleasingFungus: oh yeah I did a few 00:54:16 but mostly the player species monsters 00:54:20 some of those were not right 00:54:27 like look where the troll monster's hands are 00:54:46 and then I did a couple monsters 00:54:53 hrm, maybe just oof actually 00:55:07 new entries can always come in, and if we can we could move this to the tile text data 00:55:21 and out of tilemcache.cc 00:56:32 ...what did you do for the oof? 00:56:51 just moved it around so it's extra cute 00:56:59 little fire hands on the sword 00:57:18 the only thing you can do is adjust the weapon/shield offsets 00:57:22 nice 00:58:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140924030204]] 00:59:42 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:27 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:03 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04:41 -!- Noom_afk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:07:47 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:08:20 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08:48 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:13:02 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:18 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:17:14 -!- category has quit [Client Quit] 01:24:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:27:03 horizontal or vertical as well? 01:29:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:33:01 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:35:13 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:35:57 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:25 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:45:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:48:31 LogicNinja (L27 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1355: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Zig:13) 01:54:46 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 01:58:54 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:06:17 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.2/20140917194002]] 02:11:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:16:54 read: both axes 02:17:22 separate offsets for weapon and shield, so an x,y pair for each 02:17:33 hats would be possible if we caredthat much 02:17:59 hrm 02:18:08 I bet hat mcache would be easy to add in fact 02:18:25 kind of lame that it's only one helmet type though 02:18:26 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-778-g0731923 (34) 02:18:33 since helmets obviously wouldn't work 02:18:51 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:20:00 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:20:02 -!- Quashie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:26:10 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:34:16 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:45 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:41:53 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:28 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:49:31 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:41 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 02:52:50 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 02:58:39 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:58:42 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:01:33 Gonna play NaWz as Gastronok :3 03:02:52 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 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##crawl-dev 05:56:17 -!- Orin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:57:44 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:58:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:07 -!- penciltax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 06:00:10 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:07 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:04:18 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:54 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15:47 -!- fridurmus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:18:55 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:30 !message pleasingfungus I still see them generated in portal vaults. 06:25:30 You probably meant !messages, or possibly !tell. pleasingfungus I still see them generated in portal vaults. 06:25:33 -!- __Jeff has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:25:42 !tell pleasingfungus I still see them generated in portal vaults. 06:25:43 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:26:10 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:29:58 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52:27 -!- Orin has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:47 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 06:56:49 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:58:05 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:03:29 what exactly is the purpose of gozag's initial fee? 07:03:41 -!- fridurmus has quit [] 07:08:11 how does Ru + amulet of faith interact 07:08:14 it sounds like a very bad idea. 07:08:29 you get new offers faster 07:08:40 what happens on unequip? 07:08:40 so at 6* it does nothing 07:08:51 the opposite, it takes longer for new offers to appear 07:09:13 also it stacks so if you for some reason keep swapping it it takes ages to get an offer 07:10:02 it's nifty in that you can put it on when you find it, hit 6* and then remove it with no penalty 07:10:04 -!- ldf_ is now known as legally 07:10:18 -!- legally is now known as legally_blind 07:18:54 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the 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Let me know if you see problems; it's been tested a bunch in all builds, but it touches tiles/webtiles a fair amount 07:58:06 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 08:00:31 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:01:10 -!- cribozai has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:02:42 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:04:59 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:49 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 08:09:10 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:36 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:14:50 hey guys 08:14:50 Napkin: You have 25 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:15:21 how can i tell crawl to ignore the message "You sense a monster nearby" when auto-exploring? 08:15:32 seems like "runrest_ignore_message += You sense a monster nearby" is being ignored 08:23:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:24:38 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:00 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:32:44 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:52 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:00 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: on fait les courses] 08:43:19 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:51 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:51:07 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:52:45 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:00:00 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:11 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:29 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:42 -!- DrKe has quit [Client Quit] 09:04:05 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:17 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:21:06 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:22:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:23:10 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:24:34 -!- telnor is now known as telnoratti 09:28:35 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:29:48 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:36:02 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:36:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:59 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:09 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:45:14 -!- Napkin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:25 -!- Napkin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:45:31 hrrmmpf.. my ogre companion kills a mummy and I get cursed? 09:45:36 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin 09:46:47 Napkin: yeah, that got changed -- the player gets all of the curses from ally kills now 09:47:45 i wonder why.. 09:48:04 there are a couple of obscure ways to still avoid them, although probably only corruption is worth mentioning 09:48:09 it was interesting seeing basil tackling tomb with a group of oklobs -- they killed things fast enough that his hp was dropping like crazy 09:48:50 Napkin: i imagine because it was a bit tedious to get the optimal result (an ally eating the death curse) 09:49:48 i find it weird 09:50:01 potatolizard: pacification too (and this is a big deal in tomb, since both you won't get cursed and enemies will) 09:50:04 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:50:17 what's next? i get fire damage because an ally falls into lava? 09:50:22 !seen lasty 09:50:22 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:50:23 I last saw Lasty at Thu Sep 25 11:26:10 2014 UTC (3h 24m 12s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 09:50:27 feh 09:50:31 oh, that already happens 09:50:33 so'n quatsch ;) 09:50:35 just use spectral weapon! 09:51:20 !tell lasty Vaults are allowed to use things for flavor! see also: trog vaults, etc 09:51:20 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 09:51:30 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:28 potatolizard: the purpose of the fee is to make it less of a no-brainer to join gozag late 09:52:41 since late-game characters tend to have a ton of surplus gold 09:52:51 yes well 09:52:52 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:01 what it actually does is punish you for DARING to buy early potions 09:53:20 or consumables, or equipment, or whatever 09:54:24 PleasingFungus: hey 09:54:50 fair enough, I thought people wanted fewer of them tho 09:55:06 I suppose there's also the skin of Zhor, but that's probably fine 09:55:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:25 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:01 *probably*????? 09:57:07 potatolizard: yes 09:57:09 that is another goal 09:57:15 explicitly 09:57:27 how is that desirable in any way 09:58:09 gozag is a god that takes ages to kick in and on top of that you want to postpone the possibility of joining him even further? 09:58:35 ls: reading directory .: Input/output error -- uhoh 09:59:03 per the 'peg: if you think you'll want to join gozag, you have to plan in advance; if you see an early shop, one of the tradeoffs you have to consider is, "if I buy things here, this will mean I can't join gozag". (or not for a long time, at any rate, and by the time you get the gold again, you'll probably want to have joined another god!) 10:00:04 it's not "postponing the possibility", unless you are absolutely fixated on gozag; it is pretty much ruling out gozag. which is a choice that you can make, and that the game tries to make it clear that you can make - I think it always displays the fee on ctrl-o? 10:10:43 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:12:34 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:13:33 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:23 -!- zkyp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16:53 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:18:26 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:20:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:14 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:32 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:53 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:45 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:04 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:00 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.2/20140917194002]] 10:34:39 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36:07 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:41 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:38:31 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:39:28 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:42:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:43:18 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43:46 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:47:45 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:48:23 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:49:15 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:31 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:21 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:59:21 hmmm 10:59:38 i wonder if moving the low hitpoint warning from once per hit to once per turn would be reasonable 10:59:46 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:00:35 seems like it's not really particularly useful to get a low hp warning multiple times in one turn if you're getting hit by multiple things 11:01:31 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:07 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:12 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:41 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:14 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:24:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:26:23 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:42 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:46 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:34:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:22 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:29 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:35:52 doy: reasonable 11:36:22 probably 11:36:25 yeah, the trouble is just figuring out how to make things run every turn 11:36:30 _input is just a mess 11:36:41 -!- vvh2lma is now known as How_to_accept_Ve 11:36:57 -!- How_to_accept_Ve is now known as vvh2lma 11:37:19 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:37 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:39 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:04 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:09 " Has anyone else noticed that auto explore in webtiles trunk has been allowing monsters to walk around a bit in vision until they see you? I guess it doesn't stop unless they notice you? " 11:45:11 this sounds odd 11:45:28 I bet he's playing cheinaga 11:48:21 -!- Amnekian has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:05 PleasingFungus: that reminds me a bit of https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6503 11:49:17 possibly cheinaga is more likely though 11:50:28 either/or 11:52:40 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:40 <|amethyst> I wonder if this was a stupid monster 11:54:41 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:54:46 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:50 <|amethyst> !source mons_tracking_range 11:54:51 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-pathfind.cc;hb=HEAD#l36 11:56:36 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 11:58:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re the .jp server admin's questions: on the public servers, we put each trunk release in a separate directory then have a wrapper script that picks the latest (with some extra complexity if they already have a save in an old version) 11:58:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but for stable we just install over the existing directory 11:59:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: for the binary, we move the old one out of the way first (then remove it if the cp succeeds) 11:59:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but for data files we don't bother with that: it really is just a cp -r 11:59:50 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:32 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:13 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/blob/szorg/chroot/sbin/install-stable.sh is the script we use to install stable on the servers once it is built (the %%VAR%% stuff is substituted by another script) 12:03:52 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:03:53 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but some of the details there are probably specific to our dgamelaunch + webtiles setup 12:04:37 <|amethyst> !tell gammafunk no time to look at the patch this afternoon, but ping me again later 12:04:37 |amethyst: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 12:04:52 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-778-g0731923 (34) 12:05:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:06:08 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:14:52 Is there a wizmode command to cause poisoning? 12:16:37 there is a command that lets you adjust durations 12:16:41 I forget what it is though 12:17:42 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 12:17:43 <|amethyst> &^D 12:17:51 <|amethyst> &^Dpoisoning 12:18:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:08 note that poisoning duration is in scaled units 12:19:18 and isn't really a duration 12:19:42 but if you set it to 1000*X then that should do X HP damage 12:19:43 <|amethyst> yeah, 50000 is something like 50 hp of poisoning (not counting your regen) 12:21:10 Thanks 12:22:47 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 12:23:18 -!- vissborg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:02 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:36 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:28:55 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:41:58 Zooty (L20 DsGl) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1723: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Shoals:5) 12:42:20 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:25 -!- epsik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:44:49 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:51:16 -!- legally_blind is now known as ldf 12:57:26 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:57:27 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:57:36 -!- pangaea_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:57:48 -!- titanjones has quit [Client Quit] 13:01:40 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:27 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:04 -!- vvh2lma has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:06:04 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:06:51 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:47 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:49 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:12:26 -!- tswett_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:46 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:15:36 |amethyst: thank you very much! I'll relay that 13:15:52 at some point we should get some means of communication that's less silly than this... maybe I'll ask him to go on irc or something, idk. 13:16:03 silly/indirect/convoluted 13:26:14 oh, hm. brannock suggests that the autotravel weirdness was caused by doy's 6693b336bd (or, rather, was made more common), which seems plausible. 13:30:25 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31:48 |amethyst: would you like me to hold off pushing that patch until you've taken a look? 13:32:39 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:33:20 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:36:11 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 13:37:00 <|amethyst> gammafunk: honestly, I'd care more about edlothiol's opinion than my own when it comes to mcache stuff 13:37:13 <|amethyst> gammafunk: since I understand it not 13:37:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk: (mostly for lack of trying) 13:38:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, that means that plant-intelligence monsters can only pathfind 4 steps now 13:38:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: for the purposes of i_feel_safe 13:40:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: (more specifically, mons_can_hurt_player -> _mons_has_path_to_player) 13:41:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yes, in fact, now you can rest with an iron golem (even awake) on screen and you won't stop until it gets five squares away 13:41:39 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: before that change, I think you would have needed some terrain in the way so it had to take > 8 steps to get to you 13:43:02 yeah, I think the mcache part of it is not so important, since that's just an interface I'm using. I'll push the patch and then ping edlothiol. If there's a problem with the approach we can temporarily disable parsing of the option pretty easilly 13:43:40 erp! 13:43:47 unintended consequences 13:44:00 crawl code is scary 13:44:19 maybe I should make a project out of rewriting that group of functions (and moving them out of - misc.cc, isn't it?) 13:44:44 PleasingFungus: I'm freezing your commits because of unintended consequences!!!! 13:45:55 Prepare... for unforseen consequences. 13:46:09 -- Duke Nukem, _Halo 3_ 13:47:02 unseen consequences (06x) | Spd: 30 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-53 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 12 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 731 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 13:47:02 %??unseen_horror name:unseen_consequences n_rpl 13:47:24 yeah, using range there at all is probably not great 13:47:35 s/unseen_c/unforseen_c/ I guess 13:48:05 i mean, having goblins appear unsafe if they are within a pathfind distance of 40 to you is not good either 13:48:10 maybe it should just use a fixed value there 13:48:52 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:09 clearly export this to the rcfile. let the player decide 13:49:45 do you want to be unable to rest when enemies are on the other side of a wall, or do you want to autoexplore into and around your foes? Only you... can decide!!! 13:56:08 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140925030203]] 14:01:22 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:49 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:02:39 <|amethyst> !tell wheals re 6dfabde: you changed hangedman_spider_trapstep to use Zot, !Zot:$ instead of Zot:1-4 (a good idea), but the depth() check I added there to prevent placing shafts on Zot:4 should be also be updated, to use something like dgn.br_depth("Zot") - 1 instead of 4 14:02:39 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 14:03:07 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-779-g6d4cac7: Don't feel safe when stupid creatures are visible but far. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d4cac72fc8e 14:04:05 -!- Jesse__ has quit [Client Quit] 14:04:09 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:04:12 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:05:42 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:05:57 stupid creatures...that's so insensitive! 14:07:06 !seen edlothiol 14:07:06 I last saw edlothiol at Thu Sep 25 17:42:20 2014 UTC (1h 24m 45s ago) joining the channel. 14:10:40 -!- read has quit [Quit: uni] 14:11:44 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 14:16:34 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:50 -!- Bullock has quit [Client Quit] 14:22:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:23 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:57 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:05 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 14:37:47 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:23 hmmm 14:39:33 or is LOS_RADIUS + range what we actually want there 14:39:42 rather than max(LOS_RADIUS, range * 2) 14:39:45 -!- squimmy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:29 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:46 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-780-gd9090ed: Add option tile_player_tile and show player weapon and shield 10(4 days ago, 10 files, 294+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9090ed7355b 14:44:46 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-781-g0411c40: Some weapon and shield tile offsets 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 73+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0411c40f4770 14:44:46 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-782-g932a93e: Fix a crash for monsters without mcache entries 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=932a93ed1337 14:45:38 -!- squimmy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:55 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:59 * Grunt summons a segmentation fault! Your game dies... 14:47:01 !tell edlothiol I poked with some tiles/webtiles code for the three commits from d9090ed (780-782), and use the mcache and monster_entry interfaces a bit; if you see and problems or potential refactorings for these commits, let me know, thanks! 14:47:02 gammafunk: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 14:47:32 !send Grunt MONS_PROGRAM_BUG (x27) 14:47:32 Sending MONS_PROGRAM_BUG (x27) to Grunt. 14:47:52 * Grunt squashes the MONS_PROGRAM_BUGs like ants!!!!!!!! 14:48:42 MONS PROGRAM BUG (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-7 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | Res: 06magic(1) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: little | Int: insect. 14:48:42 %??giant_cockroach name:MONS_PROGRAM_BUG n_rpl 14:48:57 -!- squimmy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:01 MONS PROGRAM BUG (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-7 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | !sil | Res: 06magic(1) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sp: shatter | Sz: little | Int: insect. 14:49:01 %??giant_cockroach name:MONS_PROGRAM_BUG n_rpl spells:shatter 14:49:22 should have hd 0 14:49:30 MONS PROGRAM BUG (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-7 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | !sil | Res: 06magic(1) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sp: shatter | Sz: little | Int: insect. 14:49:30 %??giant_cockroach name:MONS_PROGRAM_BUG n_rpl spells:shatter hd:0 14:50:58 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:54 !lg * cv>0.14 place=lair lvl>2 lvl<8 s=kmap kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_room kmap!~entry 14:51:54 3897 games for * (cv>0.14 place=lair lvl>2 lvl<8 kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_room kmap!~entry): 3429x, 40x gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake, 24x slime_altar_2, 23x grunt_megastairs_2, 20x dragon1_lemuel, 17x ice2_lemuel, 16x grunt_megastairs_3, 15x forest_paths, 15x dpeg_oklob_gauntlet, 12x grunt_megastairs_4, 11x bobbens_ice_dragon_lair, 11x beast_lair_carwin_large_3, 11x worms_lemuel, 10x grunt_megast... 14:52:08 unknown monster: "program bug" 14:52:08 %??program bug 14:52:20 gammafunk: wow 14:52:22 Top Killer over the range it places, excluding special vaults 14:52:31 oh 14:52:43 yeah special rooms and entry vaults 14:52:45 !lg * cv>0.14 kmap!~~uniq kmap!~~special_room kmap!~~entry rip s=kmap 14:52:48 292826 games for * (cv>0.14 kmap!~~uniq kmap!~~special_room kmap!~~entry rip): 261767x, 559x kennysheep_big_flooded_room, 452x vehumet_altar_wand_db, 339x ossuary_zaba_flooded, 335x dpeg_arrival_caged_fury, 333x hangedman_cross_stitches, 330x lemuel_castle_with_subvaults, 299x david_nohive_1, 280x evilmike_arrival_run_for_it, 276x ice_cave_small_necro, 273x erik_lair_orcish_takeover, 268x minmay_g... 14:52:49 is enchanted lake also known as 14:52:52 ELECTRIC EEL CITY 14:52:58 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:27 Take me down to the electic eel city where the eels are slimy and the lindwurms are pretteh! 14:53:29 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:53:45 !kw rip 14:53:45 Keyword: rip => !boring !won 14:54:45 !lg * kmap=gammafunk_enchanted_lake s=ikiller 14:54:45 No games for * (kmap=gammafunk_enchanted_lake). 14:54:50 !lg * kmap=gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake s=ikiller 14:54:51 40 games for * (kmap=gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake): 20x a dire elephant, 8x a catoblepas, 7x a lindwurm, 2x an electric eel, a wyvern, a water moccasin, a griffon 14:55:02 only two eel kills anyhow 14:55:25 gammafunk: I rather dislike the use of the mcache, though that's mostly because I dislike the mcache generally... so that whole area could use refactoring anyway, but your changes haven't made it much worse ;) though there's some extraneous whitespace after a } and a missing semicolon in the javascript code ;) 14:55:46 edlothiol: haha, yeah, I am not good at javascript 14:55:58 I also didn't not enjoy working with that interface one bit :( 14:56:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:25 The way it exposes information through the parent class (that's not hidden) essentially relies on the information it tries to hide 14:56:35 s/hidden/static/ 14:57:20 like the mcache_monster stuff you're not suppose to use, but how can you get the data if you don't know exactly with info indices you need, which you'd only know by looking at mcache_monster 14:57:32 and the whole thing just feels overly complicated 14:57:36 the whole thing would be unnecessary if we had a better tile picking process where multiple tiles could be stacked without hacks like this 14:57:58 hrm, yeah I could imagine 14:58:39 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:33 some kind of tile representation that represented a "stack of tiles"? 15:00:45 I should fix that javascript, at least 15:00:47 ideally, I think tile picking would just be a function that returns an array of tiles (+ offsets), which would then immediately be rendered 15:01:34 edlothiol: and this would work fine webtile serialization? 15:01:42 s/fine/fine with/ 15:01:46 it would make it much simpler 15:02:11 or even make it much simpler to move the tile picking to the client 15:02:43 yeah tile picking on the client 15:02:51 sounds like it would be nice for server load 15:03:19 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:05:18 !lg * cv>0.14 place=depths lvl>1 lvl<5 s=kmap kmap!~uniq 15:05:19 673 games for * (cv>0.14 place=depths lvl>1 lvl<5 kmap!~uniq): 346x, 20x hangedman_pleasuredromes, 14x radiant_caverns_b_rkd, 13x box_level_dp, 11x hangedman_slaughterboxes, 11x hangedman_spin_cycle, 8x radiant_caverns_a_rkd, 8x grunt_twisty_corner, 8x hangedman_crystal_crosses_colossus, 7x minmay_octagon_city, 7x gammafunk_depths_water_palace, 7x grunt_runaround, 6x evilmike_negative_zone, 6x lit... 15:05:29 !vault grunt_twisty_corner 15:05:29 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/large_abstract.des;hb=HEAD#l1293 15:06:05 oh that's a fun one 15:06:09 don't recall seeing it 15:06:17 I think I've played through it myself twice or so. 15:06:25 It's, well, Just A Vault™. 15:06:28 But I'm catching up to grunt 15:06:47 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:54 I can be the best depths non-encompass 15:07:05 imo vault more 15:07:09 (tomb subvaults when) 15:07:18 imo more good trove vaults 15:07:18 moon wizlab! 15:07:32 imo moon trolls 15:07:39 ofc 15:07:40 legendary unseen terrors of the wind!!!!! 15:07:48 oh_no 15:07:48 always place the mtla when it dies 15:08:37 Legendary Unseen Moon Terror Troll (06x) | Spd: 45 | HD: 27 | HP: 177-273 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 18 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(108) | XP: 11345 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 15:08:37 %??unseen horror hd:27 perm_ench:berserk name:Legendary_Unseen_Moon_Terror_Troll n_rpl 15:08:46 first it was of VITAL IMPORTANCE that I allow tile players to play the game as a giant gecko if they so wished 15:08:59 Bloax: needs perm_ench:tornado 15:09:03 ah yes 15:09:20 would perm_cench:tornado work? 15:09:23 Legendary Unseen Moon Terror Troll of The Wind (06x) | Spd: 45 | HD: 27 | HP: 177-273 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 18 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(108), 12wind | XP: 11345 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 15:09:23 %??unseen horror hd:27 perm_ench:berserk perm_ench:tornado name:Legendary_Unseen_Moon_Terror_Troll_of_The_Wind n_rpl 15:09:33 that's interesting 15:09:51 I was thinking I'dhave to just give it tornado the spell to avoid making a monster 15:10:17 *making a new monster type 15:10:28 mummy obelisk (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 716-787 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead / sum.mana viper, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:10:28 %??greater mummy hd:500 perm_ench:paralysis perm_ench:tornado name:mummy_obelisk n_rpl 15:11:08 obelisk mummy* 15:12:15 color:black and go full Kubrick 15:12:19 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:05 unknown monster: "greater mummy color:black" 15:13:05 %??greater mummy hd:500 perm_ench:paralysis perm_ench:tornado name:TMA-1 n_rpl color:black 15:13:11 bad monster colour "black" in "greater mummy hd:500 perm_ench:paralysis perm_ench:tornado name:TMA-1 n_rpl col:black" 15:13:11 %??greater mummy hd:500 perm_ench:paralysis perm_ench:tornado name:TMA-1 n_rpl col:black 15:13:14 bleh 15:13:38 TMA-1 (14M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 716-787 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead / sum.mana viper, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:13:38 %??greater mummy hd:500 perm_ench:paralysis perm_ench:tornado name:TMA-1 n_rpl col:darkgrey 15:14:03 The Moon Monolith 15:15:10 %git d9090ed7 15:15:10 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-780-gd9090ed: Add option tile_player_tile and show player weapon and shield 10(4 days ago, 10 files, 294+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9090ed7355b 15:15:39 hrm, what happens when you forget a simecolon like that 15:16:13 s/simecolon/semicolon/ 15:16:46 imo slimecolon 15:17:36 unknown monster: "electric_eel spell:corrosive_bolt" 15:17:36 %??electric_eel name:slimecolon col:green spell:corrosive_bolt 15:17:51 slimecolon (03;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 1/15 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(12), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 54 | Sp: b.electricity (3d6) | Sz: small | Int: reptile. 15:17:51 %??electric_eel name:slimecolon col:green 15:17:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:01 I wonder 15:18:05 slimecolon (03;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 1/15 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(12), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 54 | Sp: b.electricity (3d6) | Sz: small | Int: reptile. 15:18:05 %??electric_eel name:slimecolon col:slime 15:18:13 slimecolon (14;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 1/15 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(12), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 54 | Sp: b.electricity (3d6) | Sz: small | Int: reptile. 15:18:13 %??electric_eel name:slimecolon col:death 15:18:28 sadly it's not animated in irc 15:18:39 slimecolon (14;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 497-614 | AC/EV: 1/15 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(400), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 15000 | Sp: b.electricity (3d103) | Sz: small | Int: reptile. 15:18:39 %??electric_eel hd:666 name:slimecolon col:death 15:19:00 fr: slimy water enemies 15:19:01 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:09 because *water enemies* 15:19:27 slimy giant goldfishes 15:19:46 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:35 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:02 gammafunk: nothing happens, javascript allows omitting semicolons in many cases, it's just bad style 15:22:09 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:20 I have.....bad style?!?! 15:22:27 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:28 in any case thanks for looking at thepatch 15:23:33 (except sometimes, something like this happens: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/3057) 15:26:24 -!- flower has quit [Client Quit] 15:26:33 "nope - that's a bug in IE. Probably should let @BillGates know about it though. thanks!" 15:27:43 "Mr. President...we have reports of a missing semicolon on line 5437 of laughyface.js, in the function draw_laughy_face()..." 15:27:50 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:09 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:22 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:44 -!- Kintak has quit [Client Quit] 15:30:01 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:31:03 (Un)brace yourselves! 15:31:05 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:31:11 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-783-gf476f6a: Add a javascript semicolon, clean up whitespace, and unbrace 10(21 minutes ago, 4 files, 10+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f476f6a0203d 15:34:26 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 15:36:39 does unbracing literally just mean "remove braces around a block of code" and if so what does it accomplish? 15:36:44 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:38:22 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:29 just a readability/cleanliness thing? 15:38:30 my guesses: conforming to our coding standards, promoting understanding of how the braces work, and removing potential for bugs due to improper brace usage 15:38:48 you could argue the same about the whitespace cleanup really 15:38:56 yeah, that makes sense. 15:39:12 -!- grisamentum has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:20 also, giving |amethyst an excuse to write cool scripts that fix things automatically 15:39:23 did end-branch treasure used to be better? 15:39:35 no 15:39:41 <|amethyst> yes 15:39:46 gammafunk: that sounds terrifying unless you're checking every change by hand 15:39:58 yes to it used to be better? 15:40:07 i havent played since MDs or so but i just cleared orc:4 and got 2 id scrolls, 22 stones, a meat ration, and a potion of poison 15:40:14 <|amethyst> for a while a few years ago the base type distribution used to be acquirement rather than floor stuff 15:40:22 <|amethyst> not acquirement quality 15:40:23 oh wow 15:40:41 oh 15:40:43 <|amethyst> but no potions/scrolls at least 15:40:49 you mean on branch:$ random loot? 15:40:49 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:40:55 as in not placed by vaults? 15:41:06 <|amethyst> not the random loot, but several branch-ending vaults 15:41:15 <|amethyst> (not all of them) 15:41:31 hrm, well those place items the |*% classes 15:41:33 <|amethyst> actually, orc:4 probably hasn't changed much 15:41:43 do you mean that those classes changed? 15:41:46 <|amethyst> elf and tomb definitely did 15:41:52 it feels like whether or not i can do a 15 rune game is basically luck now. like i keep clearing lair, orc, 2 lair branches, and then have like no resists 15:42:12 <|amethyst> gammafunk: IIRC, not the glyphs, but the 'equivalent' ITEM: thing was actually different 15:42:24 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:24 |amethyst: hrm, but didn't those vaults always use the glyphs 15:42:37 originally, none of those branches had any loot at all 15:42:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no, some of them used ITEM: for whatever reason 15:42:39 so 15:42:41 (: 15:42:42 ah, ok 15:42:55 <|amethyst> doy: why would you go in elf? 15:42:56 grisamentum: that is most certainly not true, but it could be for a very specific builds 15:43:13 |amethyst: i mean the the branches grisamentum mentioned 15:43:23 the resists you need for 15 runes are basically the same as what you need for 3-runes 15:43:24 <|amethyst> doy: ah 15:43:33 arguably you need a bit more rN, but that's hardly critical 15:44:02 and no one would say whether or not one can do a 3-rune game is basically luck 15:44:08 (in fact 0.15 win rates are higher) 15:44:21 not that this disproves the dependance on luck, but it's just clearly not the case 15:44:32 i'm not suggesting its some kind of .15 thing 15:45:09 well the change in some branch end loot maybe have occurred, but we also improved the quality of artefacts in general, which are source of those resists 15:45:55 read: re: the scripts (util/checkwhite and util/unbrace), we use scm, so you always can (and should) look at the diff generated by running those tools 15:46:11 maybe i just have rosy memories of waltzing through branches that now seem prohibitively difficult 15:46:17 so in essense you always are checking every change they make, you just don't have to type the changes yourself :) 15:46:44 * gammafunk puts on ETC_ROSE colored glasses. 15:47:16 !lg goodplayers s=cv cv!~- / won o=% 15:47:20 7342/313933 games for goodplayers (cv!~-): 609/9540x 0.15 [6.38%], 603/14474x 0.14 [4.17%], 611/17562x 0.13 [3.48%], 539/15853x 0.12 [3.40%], 882/30167x 0.10 [2.92%], 565/22124x 0.9 [2.55%], 673/26569x 0.11 [2.53%], 432/18048x 0.8 [2.39%], 335/17925x 0.3 [1.87%], 551/29952x 0.4 [1.84%], 503/28971x 0.7 [1.74%], 117/7740x 0.2 [1.51%], 626/50201x 0.5 [1.25%], 257/21088x 0.6 [1.22%], 39/3719x 0.1 [1.0... 15:47:22 wow 15:47:29 yeah i figured you must have a tool like that 15:47:29 i didn't realize it was quite that severe 15:48:09 the tool is just git diff in this case, as in it's all just a part of your patch, which you read before pushing 15:49:00 !lg . s=cv / won o=% 15:49:00 14/2236 games for gammafunk: 2/63x 0.11 [3.17%], 4/218x 0.13-a [1.83%], 4/233x 0.12-a [1.72%], 3/470x 0.12 [0.64%], 1/159x 0.13 [0.63%], 0/178x 0.16-a [0.00%], 0/130x 0.14 [0.00%], 0/190x 0.15-a [0.00%], 0/104x 0.14-a [0.00%], 0/16x 0.10 [0.00%], 0/462x 0.15 [0.00%], 0/13x 0.11-a [0.00%] 15:49:15 I'm doing what I can to lower those rates 15:49:38 hrm, is there a way to merge major versions with that? 15:49:49 e.g. 0.15-a and 0.15 counted together 15:50:45 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 15:50:47 i think just excluding the -a versions would be more accurate 15:50:58 since the things available in -a versions vary pretty wildly 15:51:11 (which is why i do cv!~-) 15:51:48 yeah, but then there's big variance based on when you happened to play, depending on sample size 15:52:10 !lg . cv=0.15-a|0.15 / won o=% 15:52:11 0/652 games for gammafunk (cv=0.15-a|0.15): N=0/652 (0.00%) 15:52:16 !lg . cv=0.14-a|0.14 / won o=% 15:52:17 0/234 games for gammafunk (cv=0.14-a|0.14): N=0/234 (0.00%) 15:52:20 good 15:52:25 !lg . cv=0.13-a|0.13 / won o=% 15:52:26 5/377 games for gammafunk (cv=0.13-a|0.13): N=5/377 (1.33%) 15:52:33 I'm steadily improving 15:52:33 <|amethyst> some people pretty much only play trunk except in tournaments 15:52:43 right 15:53:16 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:53:17 <|amethyst> (and probably that subset of people isn't representative in many ways) 15:53:30 <|amethyst> s/isn't rep/is unrep/ 15:53:45 !lg neil cv>0.14 s=cv / won 15:53:46 0/696 games for neil (cv>0.14): 0/46x 0.16-a [0.00%], 0/109x 0.15 [0.00%], 0/541x 0.15-a [0.00%] 15:54:11 consistency! consistency! consistency! 15:56:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:57:04 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:36 most older players are in that group 15:58:05 -!- __Jeff has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:10 !lg grunt cv>0.14 s=cv 15:58:11 54 games for grunt (cv>0.14): 53x 0.15-a, 0.16-a 15:58:29 !lg grunt cv>0.13 s=cv 15:58:30 240 games for grunt (cv>0.13): 186x 0.14-a, 53x 0.15-a, 0.16-a 15:58:48 Thinks he's to good for stable releases... 15:59:16 !lg cv>0.6 s=cv 15:59:17 156 games for doy (cv>0.6): 69x 0.7, 25x 0.15, 20x 0.10, 11x 0.9-a, 8x 0.12, 7x 0.7-a, 7x 0.11, 4x 0.14, 3x 0.13, 2x 0.8-a 15:59:50 aha, the other extreme 16:00:05 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:01:55 !lg Bloax s=cv 16:01:56 1060 games for Bloax: 204x 0.14-a, 185x 0.15-a, 160x 0.13, 131x 0.10, 118x 0.14, 108x 0.13-a, 59x 0.16-a, 50x 0.15, 20x 0.12, 13x 0.11, 7x 0.12-a, 5x 0.11-a 16:02:31 hm 16:02:39 !lg Bloax s=god 16:02:39 1060 games for Bloax: 617x, 228x Cheibriados, 146x Trog, 40x Xom, 8x Lugonu, 5x Qazlal, 5x Okawaru, 3x Dithmenos, 2x Jiyva, Sif Muna, Gozag, Makhleb, Kikubaaqudgha, Vehumet, Ashenzari 16:02:52 take it easy babe 16:03:11 !lg * chei s=name 16:03:12 32227 games for * (chei): 767x pigah, 593x Roarke, 334x keymashgrqeeg, 328x xw, 269x Tasonir, 246x LiLin, 204x Bloax, 163x casual, 143x dscm, 143x soloincognito, 134x tongitongu, 134x Elynae, 121x 4thArraOfDagon, 120x Herrn, 116x pfcuttle, 110x Grinner, 106x BirdoPrey, 93x nmf, 92x Bolas, 90x Thndr, 89x perfect1234, 88x zugundertherug, 88x Saty, 88x madcurse, 88x Nightdew, 87x Joehai, 86x Guido, 8... 16:03:35 !lg * sif s=name 16:03:36 74257 games for * (sif): 694x Kave, 604x gammafunk, 568x 4thArraOfDagon, 434x Darmok, 422x aTarkinC, 405x buffalo66, 394x silentsnack, 327x Bruce, 291x Sky, 287x Sorbius, 278x Johan, 264x minmay, 262x clouded, 258x Ragdoll, 257x crawlie, 255x Celsitudo, 255x qtip, 235x m1nced, 225x Orfax, 218x BirdoPrey, 217x Moose, 209x murphyslaw, 202x jejorda2, 201x Neil, 199x Dalarist, 195x Solvent, 194x chuka... 16:03:42 get on my level of devotion 16:03:49 !lg gammafunk 16:03:49 2236. gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna), slain by a baby alligator (led by an alligator) on Swamp:3 on 2014-09-20 17:51:00, with 16697 points after 7886 turns and 1:05:57. 16:03:50 man, I will overtake whoever Kave is real soon 16:04:05 also that baby alligator was totally out of line 16:04:19 I let him hit me thinking it would be fine, and he let me down 16:04:38 #crawldice 16:05:05 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:10 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 16:07:45 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:55 |amethyst: how do you feel about a cszo rebuild, as I can be around to look at things and fix for this evening but likely not on or after the nightly rebuild? 16:08:57 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:43 ontoclasm: I pushed the tile doll thing. and even gave oof mcache offsets 16:10:01 it was....a bit more complicated than I originall anticipated 16:10:07 *originally 16:11:29 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:53 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:12:02 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:07 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 16:13:59 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:13 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:56 -!- stanzwecha is now known as stanzill 16:16:52 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17:24 gammafunk: nice 16:17:25 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:17:49 ...oof weapon offsets 16:17:54 ontoclasm: I gave "reasonable" mcache entries for all player species monsters as well 16:17:59 the troll one is....amusing 16:18:04 fr orb of fire blademasters 16:18:04 but it's the best we can do 16:18:23 gammafunk: yeah, until/unless somebody makes new troll tiles that work better 16:18:26 the oof are so cute, because the gap in the weapon makes it look like they have little fire hands 16:18:34 * ontoclasm glares accusingly at itself! 16:18:49 troll tiles are really bad at the moment 16:18:53 yeah, troll tile is pretty good, but could always stand a revamp I guess 16:19:15 it's a pretty ok tile imo, not that it couldn't be improved a lot 16:20:42 there's a kind of funny asymmetry from the tiles clearly designed for a weapon only 16:21:09 like the deep elf tiles have these raised hands, so when I gave them offsets for shields, they're holding the shield very high 16:21:20 like they're confused as to how to use it 16:21:38 that's just how elves roll 16:22:03 the vampire monster tile is maybe the worst, since it's arms are crossed, so I put the weapon/shield there 16:22:03 they hold the shiled really high so their enemies will become distracted 16:23:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:26:20 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:28:11 clearly DE should have better UC apt if they know to keep their hands up 16:34:24 !apt unarmed 16:34:25 Could not understand "unarmed" 16:34:28 !apt uc 16:34:29 UC: Mi: 1!, Gh: 1!, HO: 1!, Vp: 1!, Mf: 1!, Te: 1!, Op: 0, Dr: 0, Hu: 0, VS: 0, Ko: 0, Gr: 0, Fo: 0, Ce: 0, Tr: 0, Na: 0, Fe: 0, Ds: -1, Dg: -1, DD: -1, Og: -1, Mu: -2*, Ha: -2*, Sp: -2*, HE: -2*, DE: -2* 16:34:37 ew -2 wtf 16:35:21 -!- Jho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:37:20 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:43 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:38:34 -!- Orin has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:42 http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/09/bug-in-bash-shell-creates-big-security-hole-on-anything-with-nix-in-it/ interesting 16:41:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:42:09 -!- Orin is now known as UncertainKitten 16:42:21 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:44:26 looks like that only works if bash is bringing in the environment, but that'd affect a reasonable number of things I'm sure 16:44:42 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:48 bash always brings in the environent 16:45:07 it scans the environment looking for things that look like functions, and blindly `eval`s them 16:45:25 -!- Pedroff has quit [Client Quit] 16:45:26 well it can be told to flush it in various ways, which it is often is told to do 16:46:16 if you can stuff something into the environment that doesn't get sanitized, that can be used to exploit. this includes at least three envars in the CGI spec that are often not snaitized properly because of broken web browsers that don't comply with standards, and it includes $TERM in pretty much any sshd deployment, among others 16:46:54 also ISC's DHCP client passes server-provided DHCP options in the environment. since it's often trivial to set up a rogue DHCP server, you can attack any client using the ISC DHCP client 16:47:08 all assuming /bin/sh is bash 16:47:18 yeah I wouldn't claim that there aren't a lot of ways you could exploit that 16:47:39 * geekosaur has been answering questions about this all. day. and most of yesterday. 16:48:41 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:50:33 (the good news is, debian's /bin/sh typically is not bash) 16:53:40 yeah that's what's surprising, how are some of these notable endpoints not taking extra case to sanitize ENV stuff; cgi scripts I could understand 16:53:45 s/case/care/ 16:54:17 they're assuming the shell doesn't do stupid things and are in the main secure otherwise 16:54:23 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:44 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:54:46 big old complicated bash secure?! 16:54:52 but bash (and only bash) does this thing where it will arbitrarily think a thing in the environment must be a function, based on a cursory look at the front of it 16:54:54 and eval it 16:55:25 that question is why *BSD and debian both use the almquist shell as /bin/sh :) 16:55:27 yeah I guess that's really it then, just terrible bash behaviour; seems like ENV sanitization shouldn't be that hard a thing 16:56:21 heh, dash wikipedia page already mentions shellshock 16:57:10 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:11 heck, I'm a zsh user and wouldn't want to let go of it --- but I would never have considered using it as /bin/sh, too big and too hard to do a security audit on 16:57:16 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:04 yeah I'm a lazy bash user who only occasionally uses more advanced shell features, since shell programming is so Fun 16:58:16 interactive shell for a normal user is one thing, key piece of system inftrastructure often invoked as root by ${DEITY-No God} knows how many programs is quite another 16:58:43 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:43 -!- grisamentum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:29 I don't use anything like the full feature set of zsh but you'll take **/ globs away from my cold dead hands, and I use glob flags reasonably often to restrict to normal files or by uid etc. as well 17:02:00 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:02:52 I don't do too much sysadmin stuff or heavy/detailed file manipulation; cdards is about the only shell feature of note I think I'd care to preserve when using new shell 17:02:58 should try zsh some time I guess 17:03:20 but then I'd have to port my .bashrc and.... 17:04:02 find -exec or xargs are about as far as I need to go 17:04:28 and then there's dired for the rest 17:05:29 ontoclasm: some of the player tiles in action: http://imgur.com/a/GWzbI ; some of these could stand maybe some tweaking, and we'll probably have to add popular ones, but I know how to do that now 17:05:43 would be great if we could move these offsets to the tile text data, of course 17:06:40 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:34 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:18:07 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-783-gf476f6a (34) 17:20:00 well clan is updated I guess 17:22:08 !update gammafunk 17:22:42 * gammafunk reverts Grunt! 17:26:03 Well, I may just do a cszo rebuild, unless anyone just abruptly slaps me in the face 17:26:06 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:06 ...with a wet trout 17:26:56 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:26:59 what if it's not wet but large 17:28:07 I forget what xom uses 17:28:10 !xom 17:33:31 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:38:40 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:16 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:31 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:32 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42:25 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43:52 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:07 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:42 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-783-gf476f6a (34) 17:53:16 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:53:22 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:53:34 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:20 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:07:10 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schnarchismus] 18:07:25 -!- joy1999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:10 -!- Jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:08:45 -!- mong has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:11:19 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:12:08 -!- Big_guy has quit [] 18:12:19 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:45 -!- simmarine_ is now known as simmarine 18:13:00 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:13:51 -!- johnnyzero has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:36 -!- CacoS has quit [] 18:15:41 araganzar (L19 GrFE) (Elf:2) 18:21:42 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:27 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:14 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:24:20 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25:25 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:53 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:32:56 !crashlog araganzar 18:32:56 20. araganzar, XL19 GrFE, T:63649 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/araganzar/crash-araganzar-20140925-231540.txt 18:35:12 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:27 -!- eb_ has quit [] 18:37:59 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:47 -!- Orin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:48 _This portal proclaims the superiority of the material over the divine; those who enter it will find they have lost all favor with their chosen deity. Enter anyway? 18:38:52 how does this interact with Ru? 18:38:58 -!- Orin is now known as UncertainKitten 18:39:25 it is basically getting completely fucked over? :/ 18:39:56 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:42 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:12 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:38 yeah, I guess it should refuse Ru worshipers? 18:44:56 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:22 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45:38 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:17 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:25 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:07 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: zzzzzz] 18:55:09 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:03 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:54 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:03 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:02:03 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:20 -!- johnnyzero has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:02:37 -!- tswett_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04:38 -!- read has quit [Quit: bye.] 19:04:49 -!- Amnekian has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:06:15 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:01 -!- captainkilljoy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11:03 gammafunk: might be an idea. 19:11:10 since Ru is seriously special. 19:14:51 gammafunk: what happens if you're a demigod or not worshipping a god? 19:15:09 well I'd recommend maybe tryign in wiz mode 19:15:24 probably edit the des to give very high weight to that trove 19:15:25 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 19:15:29 not sure how they're chosen though 19:15:36 Hmm 19:15:48 hold on. 19:18:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:19 I'm just trying to see if I can find it in the source. 19:19:13 eh, I'll look it up tomorrow 19:19:17 too tired right now 19:19:23 stopped playing due to that reason 19:19:46 !source source/dat/des/portals/trove.des:156 19:19:46 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/source/dat/des/portals/trove.des;hb=HEAD#l156 19:19:59 !source dat/des/portals/trove.des:156 19:19:59 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/trove.des;hb=HEAD#l156 19:20:15 TZer0: that second link there 19:20:39 Just modify the chance for piety to be always true 19:21:17 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:21:33 wait, does this mean that demigods will never see that trove? 19:21:47 yeah 19:21:49 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:55 but it looks like it just needs simple modification for Ru 19:21:56 that's kind of strange 19:22:02 ...how so? 19:22:32 because I thought the world would always be the same (excluding holy pan) regardless of character played 19:22:43 I mean, for the very same reason, armour doesn't cease to exist if you're playing a felid. 19:23:07 well holy pan is one exception, I think this trove type 19:23:11 is another good exception 19:23:21 it's also excluding gozag 19:23:27 so.. 19:23:32 what happens if you find this trove 19:23:36 and then switch to Gozag? 19:23:41 you won't find this trove 19:23:44 if you're with gozag 19:23:47 ... 19:23:51 if it has been generated 19:23:58 and you then switch to Gozag 19:24:00 what happens? 19:24:14 I think the trove toll changes possibly, not sure 19:24:36 So maybe it should generate as an optional flag on the trove 19:24:46 and if you're following Gozag, Ru or if you're a demigod 19:24:51 it should default to a fallback? 19:25:07 well you can't become something other than a demigod, so that case is fine 19:25:25 Yeah, but it could provide a flavour text. 19:26:02 yea looks like this happens at portal generation 19:26:13 so you could ditch your god for ru/gozag I guess 19:26:19 Mhm 19:26:25 but then that's kind of the same as just losing your piety, so 19:26:30 But what happens if a Ruian enters? 19:26:32 does it fuck him over? 19:26:40 just try it in wiz mode and see :) 19:26:55 -!- Kashira has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:27:01 I didn't merge this change, but yeah I got other stuff up at the moment 19:27:16 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:28:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:51 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:35:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:57 TZer0alt (L3 VSCj) (D:1) 19:38:55 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:17 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:18 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:27 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:45 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:45:22 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:45:37 gammafunk: confirmed, it fucks you over. 19:46:25 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:25 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:28 and it lets Gozag-worshippers in for free. 19:48:52 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:54:48 gammafunk: and yeah, Gozag-followers get in for free. 19:54:58 TZer0: was that the crash? 19:55:06 me generating a vault on top of me 19:55:09 haha 19:55:14 well how does it fuck you over? 19:55:32 Ru piety hits 0. 19:55:56 ah 19:56:02 ok well that's not fucked over...er 19:56:03 hrm 19:56:09 what happens if you kill a bunch of monsters? 19:56:16 does it offer you sacrifices? 19:56:27 It offered me a to sacrifice, yeah 19:56:36 however, I did just set my Ru piety to 160 19:56:39 and then I entered 19:56:46 I didn't do it the manual way to get up there. 19:57:29 yeah then 19:57:34 you need to accept sacrifices I think 19:57:50 not sure how Ru will behave with that 19:58:18 repeat all sacrifices.. armless, headless, unloved lump of flesh fighting the armies of Zot.. 19:58:33 sounds like a great plan 19:58:46 but seriously, that vault is suicide for anyone following Ru. 19:58:54 *trove 19:59:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:00:58 -!- AGinsber1 has quit [Client Quit] 20:02:04 anyway, good night 20:06:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:39 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:09:06 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 20:11:48 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:55 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 20:22:12 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:23:40 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:04 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:26:26 !lg logicninja place=zot:5 20:26:27 5. LogicNinja the Devastator (L27 DEFE of Vehumet), mangled by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2014-09-26 01:24:02, with 673882 points after 97654 turns and 4:58:02. 20:26:31 only 5 20:26:38 !lg logicninja place=zot s=char 20:26:39 12 games for logicninja (place=zot): 3x DEFE, 2x DECj, 2x OpFE, HECj, VSBe, HEFE, KoFi, HECK 20:27:04 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:42 !lg logicninja place=vaults s=char 20:27:43 21 games for logicninja (place=vaults): 6x NaFE, 5x DEFE, 2x DECj, VSBe, DgEE, DjCj, NaWz, HECK, GrBe, HEFE, MiBe 20:27:54 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 20:28:12 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:54 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:00 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-784-g771f783: Add the fixed hp gain from Draw Out Power back in. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=771f783900e3 20:38:44 -!- eoc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:47:29 -!- eb_ has quit [] 20:47:57 -!- HoneyLoc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:42 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:52:33 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:56:16 -!- fambida has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:01:12 -!- ldf_ has quit [Quit: ldf_] 21:09:43 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:11:33 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:15:16 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:51 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:20:13 -!- HoneyLoc_ has quit [] 21:23:12 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:29 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:01 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:25:39 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:25 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:27:18 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:27:38 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:27:39 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:28:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:58 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 21:35:09 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36:26 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:18 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:33 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:54 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:55:39 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:56 -!- mkbehr has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:57:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:12 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:04:50 -!- Jesse__ is now known as doubtofbuddha_ba 22:07:47 -!- Nstar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:08:18 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 22:11:49 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:13:30 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:14:52 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:23:39 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:13 -!- bencryption has quit [Client Quit] 22:27:22 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:31:41 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:43 some random panlords should have umbras or silence auras 22:34:50 or similar 22:35:10 constantly surrounded by a cloud of miasma 22:35:26 can dig like a boring beetle 22:40:33 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 22:40:57 ontoclasm: are you talking in the right channel? 22:41:06 I may be missing something 22:42:00 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:44:16 -!- doubtofbuddha_ba has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:02 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:43 it sounded like a suggestion/proposal to me 22:49:54 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:51:11 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:52:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:37 silence + chaos melee panlord sounds fun 22:54:49 and not even ironic fun 22:57:58 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:00:55 i wonder if a chaos melee pan lord has ever banished itself 23:01:19 gammafunk: it was a suggestion 23:01:30 as per my standard, sort of a dumb one, but a suggestion nonetheless 23:02:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:30 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:45 well some pan lords do have silence the spell, but maybe other aura types 23:06:57 have to be careful with miasma since some demons are susceptible 23:07:01 to the poison at least 23:07:07 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:25 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:04 PleasingFungus: LogicNinja was real excited about the player tile thing, he tried out a few different tiles for laughs, then settle on orb of fire 23:08:08 then he went into zot 23:08:14 !lg LogicNinja place=zot:5 23:08:15 5. LogicNinja the Devastator (L27 DEFE of Vehumet), mangled by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2014-09-26 01:24:02, with 673882 points after 97654 turns and 4:58:02. 23:08:35 he asked, "did orb guardians get a speed buff recently" 23:10:50 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:13:18 playertile? new rc file option? (I saw the 27 headed Hydraplayer the other day) 23:14:47 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16:23 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:16:37 ahahaha 23:16:39 god bless 23:16:48 also I just read through trove caht 23:16:50 *chat 23:17:39 "switching to gozag and entering the trove" is fine; that's equivalent to entering the trove, losing all your piety, and then abandoning your god and going gozag, which is also fine. its "free" in both cases, as long as you didn't like your god and don't care about wrath! 23:17:45 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:17:47 I'm also fine with it being a prohibitive cost for ru-ites 23:17:51 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 23:18:33 there are lots of troves costs which are already prohibitive for lots of characters - I don't see any reason why this trove shouldn't be in this category. part of giving players choices is that, sometimes, they really shouldn't take them! 23:20:59 <|amethyst> re gozag, just make it take half/all your money instead 23:21:28 Getting a piety trove with Ru is similar to getting a ?rc trove with Ash 23:21:44 -!- jbenedet1o has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:21:56 <|amethyst> except for discoverability 23:22:40 <|amethyst> given how "faith works on Ru, I could see people being surprised by the trove's interaction with Ru 23:23:33 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:23:46 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:50 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 23:24:31 exiting Coc just brought me to the geh section of hell. new bug, known, or feature? 23:24:50 that sounds not goo 23:24:51 d 23:27:22 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:27:57 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:29:04 ??mantis 23:29:04 mantis[1/1]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 23:33:04 oh 23:33:10 I know the commit that caused that 23:33:37 oops. just submitted 23:33:38 %git 882065da1a 23:33:38 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-757-g882065d: Land the player in the right place when returning from one of the hells. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=882065da1a43 23:33:49 no I mean it's good to submit it, I don't actually understand why that bug happened but 23:33:53 I am certain this commit is at fault 23:34:09 exiting coc, to geh part of vestibule 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8987 by rchandra 23:34:49 !tell wheals 8987 looks like it might be caused by your 882065da1a 23:34:50 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 23:35:20 |amethyst: yeah I'd be fine with the warning text being tweaked maybe 23:35:28 for ru 23:36:19 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 23:37:05 %git :/player tile 23:37:05 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-780-gd9090ed: Add option tile_player_tile and show player weapon and shield 10(4 days ago, 10 files, 294+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9090ed7355b 23:37:43 I need to make that so it can be updated in-game somehow 23:38:19 I don't know how the Options methods are exposed in lua 23:38:28 <|amethyst> crawl.setopt("foo = bar") 23:38:30 specifically the parsing stuff 23:38:56 |amethyst: well what I mean is, I'd like to have code in my rc that checks my xl 23:39:00 and sets the tile based on that 23:39:16 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:39:16 I actually have this code now, but I have to reload the game when my xl changes 23:39:27 <|amethyst> you'd need to run that code from ready() 23:39:33 <|amethyst> so it happens every turn 23:39:44 <|amethyst> maybe that's too frequent 23:39:58 ok, and I'd have to use crawl.setopt(), as in I can't just make "lines or rc" 23:40:18 <|amethyst> yeah 23:40:19 so I can't use e.g. "tile_player_tile = ..." in my ready function? 23:40:20 ok 23:40:33 <|amethyst> but crawl.setopt() takes lines of rc 23:40:40 right, ok 23:40:47 and it runs them through the same parsing methods? 23:41:00 well it'd have to I guess 23:41:35 &rc 23:41:37 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc 23:41:40 <|amethyst> yeah, it uses read_options() 23:41:57 <|amethyst> I think you can even embed Lua in the string 23:42:34 <|amethyst> assuming you don't mind hurting your brain getting all the backslashes right 23:42:52 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42:53 nifty, I was thinking I'd need to change it 23:43:11 oh, but one problem is that tile:mons_cigitovis_monster (with the correct spelling) doesn't work 23:43:19 since my silly check for the monster can't find a monster 23:43:36 I think I need to figure out how to just use a dummy monster and set the tile with a property for monster_info 23:44:22 really wanted to become a demonic plan at xl27 but that too doesn't work :( 23:44:28 *demonic plant 23:44:38 I would never make a demonic plan 23:44:57 are you using rcfile lua to script a tiles progression path for your character? because that's beautiful and someone needs to do that 23:45:07 PleasingFungus: that's exactly what I've done 23:45:09 or am doing 23:45:21 beging as a deep elf demonologist 23:45:29 and then become large abom at xl 2 23:45:31 and it just keeps going 23:45:40 mostly based on what tiles I like 23:45:51 I'm a giant orange brain for like 3 or 4 xl 23:46:01 because ha ha giant orange brain 23:46:45 need to make some mcache entries for some of these 23:46:55 gammafunk: just force a save on levelup 23:47:34 well that's inconvenient, especially when |amethyst just told me how to do it in rc 23:48:00 I mean I have to reload the rc, so it's save and quite for that route afaik 23:48:03 *quit 23:48:18 that messes with my adoring spectators rchandra 23:48:21 programmer time > player time (even if programmer and player are the same person) 23:48:47 I just spent probably like 16 realtime hours writing the code to make this possible 23:48:57 it would be nice if there was a way to have spectators carry on through saves/deaths - particularly for watching qw/gw 23:48:57 and I'm supposed to run away from writing like 5 lines of lua? 23:49:20 well programmer time > player time!!! 23:51:44 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:09 yeah it might not be feasible even, having to do it for both dgl and webtiles 23:52:17 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:00 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:59:10 I would like a feature that would allow spectators to pull up the submenus. inv, %, A, spell lists. ability lists. maybe even search. 23:59:17 but that's probably way out of scope