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I am willing to bend on that one 00:34:31 -!- Miauw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:41 it's just the "are you sure you want to x your friendly fire vortex" that shows up constantly when playing/watching a firestorm caster 00:34:47 and it is never meaningful 00:36:00 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:42:54 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-356-g69021a9 00:47:35 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:50:13 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 00:51:35 yeah 00:58:54 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:21 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:09:02 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 01:20:44 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:32:39 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:40:42 fr: food acquirement doesnt give you royal jellies and just rations or something. royal jellies dont fix stats anymore and give only okay nutrition now 01:41:10 they are in the honeycomb slot, I think 01:43:49 oh, i didnt know you could acquire honeycomb 01:44:10 ??food acquirement 01:44:10 food acquirement[1/2]: If you worship Fedhas, you get fruit! Vampires get potions of blood, everyone else gets royal jellies, ambrosia, rations, or honeycombs, in that order of likelihood. Ghouls don't get rations or honeycombs, and instead are most likely to get chunks. 01:45:03 good entry 01:45:16 someone should update it 01:45:21 could i perhaps ask for food acquirement buff then? :P 01:45:23 haha 01:46:17 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:52:01 -!- djanatyn has quit [Excess Flood] 01:52:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140905030206]] 01:53:56 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:15 simmarine: yeah I noticed that food acquirement seems not updated 01:54:39 it gave me 6 royal jellies twice, which is basically 3 bread rations 01:54:44 i acquired food in my game since i didnt really need too much else and it seemed nice for zonguldrok. kinda disappointing to get 11 royal jellies really 01:54:54 looks like i won over your acquirements at least 01:55:11 yeah, I'll have to see if it was ever updated 01:55:11 for the food changes 01:55:21 royal jellies seem a little redundant these days honestly 01:55:37 i guess their gimmick is herbivores and carnivores can eat it? 01:55:45 yeah, and they take fewer turns 01:55:49 so you could eat in combat 01:55:58 i like porridge for that 01:56:01 ??royal jelly 01:56:01 royal jelly[1/2]: A 5000 nutrition food that also restores abilities. In 0.15, just 2000 nutrition with no other effects. For the boss of the Slime Pits, see {the royal jelly}. 01:56:06 ??royal jelly[2 01:56:06 the royal jelly[1/6]: Boss of the Slime Pits. Damage causes the creation of high-level Js such as acid blobs and azure jellies, which will never be on the other side of a wall and give no experience. When killed, the level allows teleport control, and the loot chamber walls become transparent and diggable. 01:56:09 is it one or two turns? 01:56:12 it is two 01:56:20 so porridge is better, but of course much more rare 01:56:37 yes, i somehow have 4 this game, though i probably found bear vault 01:56:46 in lair? 01:56:48 yeah 01:56:51 yay 01:56:53 my vault 01:56:54 ? 01:57:00 ive seen it quite a few times 01:57:00 unless it was the lair end or something 01:57:04 nah 01:57:07 the one with 3 bears 01:57:13 !vault gammafunk_lair_bear 01:57:14 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des;hb=HEAD#l1724 01:57:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:57:26 kind of a cavey thing 01:57:29 sometimes with eel 01:57:36 i remembered wanting to make a lair with both kinds of gluggy potions but then i dont think crawl could really support that with vault making 01:57:47 oh, i dont think ive seen that one 01:57:56 its just a door and you open it to three bears and some food 01:58:08 oh yeah mine is only two 01:58:10 two bears 01:58:15 nicolae_quartered_pool_little is a good vault 01:58:18 ah nm it can have 3 01:58:30 we still have some insane fruit vaults 01:58:33 that place in lair 01:58:39 !vault nicolae_quartered_pool_little 01:58:39 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des;hb=HEAD#l1799 01:59:20 i just like that its just a circle of alphabet soup really 01:59:30 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:32 this must be what tiles players see console as 01:59:56 yeah all the glyph shuffling makes it look like alphabet soup 02:00:16 !vault pleasuredromes 02:00:16 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/depths_encompass.des;hb=HEAD#l811 02:00:40 I think Basil never managed to make a vault after seen a few hangedman vaults 02:00:49 traumatized 02:00:50 "No thanks" 02:01:45 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:04:20 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Guilty! 06:35:53 too bad clan has no GDB, it could be useful here 06:36:32 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:48:59 <|amethyst> player_will_anger_monster (type=MONS_SKELETON) 06:49:30 <|amethyst> which doesn't define the dummy monster before passing it on to player_will_anger_monster(monster *) 06:51:01 <|amethyst> so the skeleton/zombie/simulacrum it's testing has no mons_zombie_base and mons_attack_spec fails 06:52:37 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Quit: restarting tmux plx] 06:53:47 since I guess dith doesn't mind any types of zombies, calling define_monster on zombified monsters too would fix it? 06:54:16 <|amethyst> I don't know if that will work 06:54:51 <|amethyst> not sure if that actually sets a base type (how would it choose one?) 06:55:42 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 06:55:42 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:56:12 <|amethyst> no, that just makes define_monster crash 06:58:13 <|amethyst> okay, have a fix 06:58:35 <|amethyst> a "fix" 07:02:04 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:02:11 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:05:11 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:06:17 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-357-g0c033bd: Don't crash when a Dithite might summon zombies. 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c033bd5f628 07:06:57 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:09:05 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:41 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:07 wow, nice hack 07:10:53 <|amethyst> and I just realised I shouldn't have used MONS_ORC, in case someone makes orc zombies hate Beogh 07:12:04 perhaps MONS_HUMAN 07:12:14 would be suitably generic 07:12:15 <|amethyst> I was going to do MONS_GOBLIN 07:13:34 nice hack lol 07:14:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-358-g98dd163: Be more careful with that dummy zombie. 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=98dd163920cf 07:15:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:16:55 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:19:26 -!- winsbury has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:20:08 |amethyst: <3 commit message 07:20:09 -!- Brannock__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:01 -!- Brannock__ has quit [Client Quit] 07:27:43 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-357-g0c033bd (34) 07:31:14 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:45 -!- hommebarbu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:42:12 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:44:12 -!- radinms has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:46:35 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:49:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:50:06 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:53:26 -!- xFleury has quit [Client Quit] 07:54:09 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:01:34 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:02:17 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:02:46 -!- Galewind has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:04:47 -!- ciaphas__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:05:06 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-359-ge7f7c42: Clean up some cloud code. 10(11 hours ago, 6 files, 55+ 63-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7f7c4266f92 08:07:07 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Quit: changing shell again] 08:07:11 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:38 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:20 man, cloud code is pretty confusing 08:08:46 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:29 actually, now that i think about it, it's around the same as the way monsters are stored 08:09:42 just that monster_at() hides it pretty well 08:09:45 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Client Quit] 08:10:38 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Client Quit] 08:12:36 <|amethyst> wheals: hm, you changed several things to use cloud.killer instead of cloud.whose... do those always match up? 08:13:43 oh, not sure 08:13:45 <|amethyst> wheals: also, 80 columns :P 08:14:11 i tested it with a a fire crab and freezing cloud spell, with qaz worshipper and not-qaz 08:14:29 and it seemed to prompt correctly in the 3 cases where it should 08:15:03 <|amethyst> wheals: hm 08:15:10 <|amethyst> wheals: clouds placed by a confused monster 08:15:34 -!- Stoats has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15:41 <|amethyst> since KILL_YOU_CONF satisfies YOU_KILL 08:15:53 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:16:49 !source beam.cc 08:16:50 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD 08:17:20 -!- hommebarbu_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:17:34 !source cloud.cc 08:17:34 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/cloud.cc;hb=HEAD 08:18:00 <|amethyst> wheals: also, in is_damaging_cloud you set cloud.whose, not cloud.killer 08:18:25 yeah, since actor_cloud_immune check whose but not killer 08:18:28 checks 08:19:23 that seems to be the one that always actually mattered in terms of whether the damage happened or not, afaic 08:19:25 t 08:19:46 <|amethyst> wheals: then probably that's what cloud_is_your_at should use? 08:20:11 <|amethyst> the other possible inconsistency I can think of, besides confused monsters, is a player-reflected cloud-creating spell 08:20:21 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:21:05 <|amethyst> which would have agent->mid == MID_YOU_FAULTLESS so KC_YOU but KILL_MON_MISSILE 08:21:24 <|amethyst> not sure if that would apply to a lightning bolt reflected into trees or not 08:22:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:08 luckily i think all cloud creating spells are pentrating and thus unreflectable 08:23:49 perhaps that is a good enough reason to use ::killer instead of ::whose, though 08:24:32 <|amethyst> not sure who "owns" steam clouds created by reflecting throw flame over water 08:24:49 good point 08:25:05 thematically it's not emerging from you, it would make sense for qaz not to protect you 08:29:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:53 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:12 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:31:17 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 08:31:40 !rng KC_YOU YOU_KILL 08:31:41 The RNG chooses: YOU_KILL. 08:32:58 a killer is you! 08:33:22 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:13 hm, i changed it to use YOU_KILL and clouds made by friendlies do damage; i hope that's the current behavior too 08:48:58 I suppose you don't use lamps of fire much 08:50:21 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:50:47 -!- Amy has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:52:10 -!- Noom_afk has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:52:45 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:24 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:38 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:08:02 -!- Hailey has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:09:36 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:13:40 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:16 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:27:54 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:04 -!- Miauw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:31:33 -!- Miauw has quit [Client Quit] 09:31:40 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:35:05 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:35:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:30 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-360-g33738f0: Make casting while starving more consistent with while silenced (#2272). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=33738f00f9f3 09:47:50 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:48:14 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:50:55 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:50:56 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! 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I think some of hangedman's, maybe 10:42:14 potatolizard: yes! 10:42:20 gotta get those 8s from somewhere :) 10:43:21 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:54 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:53 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:48:01 i guess i don't see how vaults could have an expectation of a specific ood list 10:48:11 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:21 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:49:09 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:09 really, you don't? 10:49:23 not at all 10:49:25 no sir 10:49:26 if they were designed at a time when an ood list of specific monsters existed... 10:49:28 oh 10:49:31 then get out of here 10:49:33 !banish Bloax 10:49:33 PleasingFungus casts a spell. Bloax is devoured by a tear in reality! 10:49:36 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:02 PleasingFungus: it seems like if they had expectations of specific monsters, they should just specify those specific monsters 10:50:21 held, mesmerized and sitting in calcifying dust 10:50:23 fuck shoals 10:50:25 just fuck it 10:50:31 probably 10:50:32 haha 10:50:32 idk 10:50:43 you forgot barbed and confused* 10:50:55 maybe at some point a proper vaultsman like hangedman will come in and chat about it; I am at the edge of my competency here 10:51:05 Bloax: and feared! 10:51:15 what a swell branch 10:51:33 ya 10:51:34 can you be mesmerised and feared at the same time? 10:51:42 yes 10:51:43 I am pretty sure I have been 10:51:46 nice 10:51:48 you can also be double mesmerized 10:51:50 also - yes 10:52:01 shoals is great 10:52:04 i don't want to know what happens if two sirens go in opposite directions 10:52:05 it is!!! 10:52:10 tug of war 10:52:10 while you are mesmerized by both 10:52:15 -!- Letchik has quit [Client Quit] 10:52:23 more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVnPJdUi-tg all the way through 10:52:26 you probably get dragged by the one who moves first 10:52:38 both, I suspect 10:52:41 need to test this now 10:52:49 oh yeah that's possible too 10:52:50 i suspect you'd be stuck 10:52:56 you probably just wiggle back and forth 10:53:02 being unable to approach neither 10:53:14 er, either 10:53:23 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:54:25 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:54:48 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:56:14 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:57:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140905030206]] 10:58:31 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:21 -!- Nabalzbhf3 is now known as Nabalzbhf 11:01:53 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:12:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:08 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:15:28 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:30 -!- elliptic is now known as circular 11:16:54 -!- circular is now known as elliptic 11:20:48 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:27 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:31 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 11:27:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:27:42 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:21 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:33:50 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:35:54 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:42:11 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:22 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:25 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:18 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15.0-27-gbdb0435 12:11:37 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:29 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-360-g33738f0 (34) 12:16:33 Dpeg's ghost pulls a quokka out of its cap. 12:23:29 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:23:50 -!- luukano_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:32 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:10 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:30:15 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:34 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:04 !gkills dpeg t 12:33:05 1 kills by dpeg's ghost (t): soul 12:33:09 rip 12:33:20 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Client Quit] 12:33:33 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:36:02 !gkills Bloax 12:36:02 30 kills by Bloax's ghost: 3x Bloax, Daniel, Econoterrorist, Aether, Duskembrace, orz3, amichele, Fizybubbleh, doome, Bloaxor, Teryn, Apsalar, July, ketsa, BirdoPrey, kober, Aneto, timbw, wuxia, mother3end, puppykicker, tkappleton, JulietteNo, epsilon, Herrn, 4tharraofdagon, Tmana, zkyp 12:36:09 !gkills Bloax t 12:36:10 No games for * (ikiller~~^(bloax|bloaxzorro|bloaxor|dumbbloax|dumberbloax)'s?_ghost t). 12:37:36 -!- oberstein has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 12:38:15 !lg dumberbloax 12:38:15 No games for dumberbloax. 12:38:19 hm 12:38:27 don't worry 12:38:31 i am just as confused as you 12:38:47 dumbestbloax imo 12:38:49 <_< 12:39:15 -!- ciaphas has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:40:18 -!- ciaphas_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:40:29 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:40 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:10 -!- Nabalzbhf has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55:37 -!- Nabalzbhf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:11 do trolls actually benefit from "gourmand? 12:56:55 they have innate gourmand, but "gourmand is marked as usable (white text, not sure the specific term for it). shouldn't it be greyed out? 12:57:23 it used to have a minor effect but it probably doesnt anymore 12:57:53 -!- hauzer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58:14 it isn't marked useless for cats either 12:59:13 hm, found a second gourmand and it was marked grey 12:59:15 weird 12:59:19 never mind me then 13:00:17 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:01:23 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:10:53 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 13:16:22 -!- ryedog_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:03 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:22:10 -!- allbefore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:19 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15.0-27-gbdb0435 13:35:18 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:58 -!- CatPlusPlus_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:37:42 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:22 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:00 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:49:58 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 13:53:16 !lg * t ikiller=~torpor 13:53:17 16. jenzors the Grappler (L11 TrWz), mangled by a yak (led by a torpor snail) on Lair:3 on 2014-09-10 17:21:59, with 7923 points after 8807 turns and 0:26:59. 13:53:35 good death message 13:53:39 !lg * t kmap=~pf_ s=kmap 13:53:40 One game for * (t kmap=~pf_): pf_torpor_hydra 13:53:48 !lg * t kmap=~pf_ 13:53:49 1. Shados the Basher (L12 HuFi of Okawaru), slain by a torpor snail (kmap: pf_torpor_hydra) on Lair:4 on 2014-09-04 03:06:12, with 17957 points after 18194 turns and 1:38:50. 13:54:33 .gmap t s=kmap 13:54:34 5 games for * ((map=~gammafunk || kmap=~gammafunk) place!=D place!=Forest t): 5x gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake 13:55:52 .crushed t s=br,kmap 13:55:53 12 games for * (cv>0.14 ikiller=octopode_crusher t): 6x Shoals (4x hangedman_shoal_octodias, 2x cheibrodos_shoals_oceanic_diplomacy), 6x Depths (5x, hangedman_six_sided_sadism) 13:56:13 !kw t 13:56:14 Built-in: t => rstart>2014072920 rtime<2014081420 cv=0.15 13:57:33 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:00 Hey, so this is apparently a thing: 13:59:00 !lg snack place=snake:5 13:59:01 8. Snack the Phalangite (L16 MfAM), slain by a greater naga (a +0 whip) on Snake:5 on 2014-09-09 04:19:22, with 126835 points after 30601 turns and 1:21:07. 13:59:12 !lg snack place=snake:5 -log 13:59:12 8. Snack, XL16 MfAM, T:30601: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Snack/morgue-Snack-20140909-041922.txt 13:59:41 The last action shown in the history is being hit by poison arrow, but the killer is a whip strike. 14:00:30 the player allegedly teleported, and died for no clear reason after the teleport 14:02:56 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:06 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:11 -!- HoneyLoc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:11 that looks like they died by poison but the killer attribution doesn't realize that 14:13:44 did anyone change anything with that code recently? 14:13:55 %git stone_soup-0.15 14:13:56 07ontoclasm02 * 0.15.0-27-gbdb0435: Cloud spell icons (cherry picked from commit 3e1b6d9f7e41469f636bf98a25bf3998a0663315) 10(16 hours ago, 6 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdb04351132b 14:14:53 !lg snack place=snake:5 x=ktyp 14:14:54 8. [ktyp=mon] Snack the Phalangite (L16 MfAM), slain by a greater naga (a +0 whip) on Snake:5 on 2014-09-09 04:19:22, with 126835 points after 30601 turns and 1:21:07. 14:16:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:34 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:09 oh 14:18:14 actually I bet they died by constriction 14:18:29 that makes more sense 14:19:10 not technically a bug then, but it would be nice if constriction deaths said something more distinct than "Slain by a greater naga" 14:19:20 (a +0 whip)? 14:19:22 well, it is a bug 14:19:25 because yeah 14:19:31 well, the monster is wielding the whip 14:19:35 same as the earlier bug with malign offering 14:19:45 it doesn't actually say that the whip did the damage :P 14:20:01 pretty sure it is saying exactly that 14:20:03 d: 14:20:21 "Slain by a greater naga ... wielding a +0 whip" 14:20:44 there is nothing incorrect there IMO (but maybe misleading and/or inconsistent with how we handle other such things) 14:21:09 yeah, regardless of the exact message, i think that is what that field should mean 14:21:33 we don't include the weapon when a monster kills the player with other methods 14:22:59 doy: are you sure we don't include the weapon when a monster kills the player with an aux attack while wielding the weapon 14:23:00 ? 14:23:08 I mean, I agree that ideally we probably shouldn't 14:23:23 well, clearly we do that - that is exactly this bug (isn't it?) 14:23:29 but i think we shouldn't 14:23:52 doy: well, in this case the aux attack doesn't kill the player, a status caused by the aux attack on a previous turn is what kills the player 14:23:53 so no 14:24:10 oh, i guess i'm not familiar with how constriction is actually implemented 14:24:14 I mean a minotaur with a weapon doing damage with one of its later attacks, say 14:24:20 minotaur (04H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 55-93 | AC/EV: 5/7 04(headbutt) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(52) | XP: 1089 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:24:20 %??minotaur 14:24:37 that 20 attack doesn't use the wielded weapon (because it is supposed to be the horns) 14:24:49 and I don't know offhand whether the weapon still shows up 14:24:53 yeah, i don't know 14:24:55 I guess it shouldn't be hard to check 14:25:35 !lg * ckiller=minotaur ${sdam}>${dam} x=sdam,dam 14:25:36 1032. [sdam=39;dam=11] tizzy the Black Belt (L13 DrMo of Dithmenos), slain by a minotaur (a +2 lightning rod (1/10)) in a Labyrinth (labyrinth_watery) on 2014-09-09 14:33:25, with 42059 points after 30360 turns and 1:25:53. 14:25:44 !lg * ckiller=minotaur ${sdam}>${dam} x=sdam,dam -log 14:25:45 1032. tizzy, XL13 DrMo, T:30360: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/tizzy/morgue-tizzy-20140909-143325.txt 14:25:59 yeah 14:26:21 -!- \Echo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:31:58 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:33:10 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0/20140825202822]] 14:33:22 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:33:40 -!- \echo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:34:22 -!- \Echo_ is now known as \Echo 14:34:44 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:18 -!- Jho has quit [Client Quit] 14:35:49 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35:52 -!- HoneyLoc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:32 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:39 -!- doy has quit [Excess Flood] 14:42:58 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:45 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 14:51:38 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:32 -!- schistosomatic is now known as schistosoma 14:52:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:54 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:15 -!- stanzwecha is now known as stanzill 14:56:38 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:57:21 Have of you guys seen the Demigod proposal on the tavern? 14:58:45 I replied to the thread 14:58:48 yes 14:59:05 Ah, didnt know if ya'll were on. What do you think? 14:59:21 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:59:37 Just curious if thats something that's likely going to make the cut 14:59:39 HoneyLocust: I wouldn't object to the change. 15:00:33 it sounds Interesting 15:00:44 I don't feel strongly about it 15:00:55 guess something should be done to avoid double questions 15:01:04 Eh, I'd like to try it out first. 15:01:06 double questions? 15:01:07 (at most one prompt per level up) 15:01:29 Why not just gain more levels every prompt? 15:01:46 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 15:02:13 Or is that not possible. 15:02:24 a buff inside a buff would be making them just pick a stat every level up 15:03:13 Bloaxzorro: I think it's better to keep the number of prompts low and give double stat increases instead. 15:03:49 currently Dg get 9 picks and 13 randoms 15:04:03 Ah, that answers my question then Dpeg/ 15:04:10 so if they got a 2x stat pick every two levels that'd be 26 stats 15:04:10 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:04:20 Obviously that would be adjusted 15:04:23 he's suggesting changing the schedule so you get exactly one stat-up of your choice with every level (as dg) - oh, or that, I guess 15:04:28 which would be 26 stats vs. 22 15:04:57 "Is there dev opposition to renaming the current Demigod to Golem?" 15:05:04 yes 15:05:04 A+ tavern right here 15:05:29 Tell them to squint and use their imagination at the character selection screen 15:05:39 -!- schistosoma is now known as schisto 15:05:47 why squint when you can stare at your nose 15:05:58 What if they dont have a nose? 15:06:02 and get blurry vision and doubled vision at the same time 15:06:03 Be sensitive please. 15:06:14 I like the idea that "golem" would have *less* of a theme/mechanic mismatch than "demigod" 15:07:14 Looks like XuaXua likes the idea. 15:07:14 HoneyLocust: then you can attempt to do it with your eyebrows instead 15:07:25 and if you don't have a nose nor eyebrows then i feel bad for you not having a face 15:07:32 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:37 Some people just dont have faces, man 15:07:47 maybe they're.. 15:07:50 robots 15:07:58 from space 15:08:39 But yes, Dg Stat Pickers Extraordinaire sounds cool. 15:09:04 "You feel a surge of divinity" every 4 levels and gain three stats to whatever you want 15:10:25 That's 20 stat points. I figure being able to choose where you want them is much more powerful than that missing 2 stat points anyway. 15:10:41 that's 24, actually 15:10:46 Is it now 15:10:54 27 / 4 = 6 15:11:05 6 * 4 = 24 15:11:13 Oh shit 15:11:25 6*3 = 18 15:11:31 I didnt divide by four 15:11:43 oh, right, three points 15:11:46 mm 15:11:49 math is hard 15:11:50 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:57 math is fun* 15:12:03 (losing is fun!) 15:12:04 Neither 15:12:18 of course, this technically makes them worse off wrt stat growth than normal races until they hit level 4 15:12:32 i'm not a fan of the every 4th level thing 15:12:37 it seems pretty restraining 15:12:42 Eh, just spitballing here 15:12:45 don't forget that Dg have an exp apt of -2 15:12:50 giving them less than current isn't great 15:13:09 True 15:13:28 flexibility helps a bit but these days all stats are decent if the character itself is flexible 15:13:47 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:09 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:26 Yeah. 15:15:51 well the last two statgains in that scheme would be at XL22 and XL26 15:16:06 XL18->22 and XL22->26 is a very long time 15:16:15 !lg * t won x=avg(xl) 15:16:16 722 games for * (t won): avg(xl)=26.57 15:16:18 !lg * t won x=avg(xl) dg 15:16:19 14 games for * (t won dg): avg(xl)=26.29 15:16:23 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:16:23 heh 15:16:30 !lg * t won x=avg(xl) urune<=5 15:16:31 505 games for * (t won urune<=5): avg(xl)=26.4 15:16:34 !lg * t won x=avg(xl) urune<=5 dg 15:16:35 7 games for * (t won urune<=5 dg): avg(xl)=25.57 15:17:08 but that's getting into sample size issues, ofc 15:17:15 !lm * t rune 15:17:18 7740. [2014-09-10 20:16:38] Basil the Middleweight Champion (L23 GhAr of Makhleb) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 62321. (Shoals:5) 15:17:25 !lm * t rune urune<=3 15:17:27 4523. [2014-09-10 20:16:38] Basil the Middleweight Champion (L23 GhAr of Makhleb) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 62321. (Shoals:5) 15:17:40 !lm * t rune Dg urune<=3 x=avg(xl) 15:17:42 80 milestones for * (t rune Dg urune<=3): avg(xl)=18.76 15:18:05 Bloaxzorro: what are you looking for there? 15:18:37 goodness if i know at this point 15:18:42 Lol 15:19:08 I think we can all agree that altar eating Dg are good for the game. 15:19:30 wow such flavour 15:19:36 much quality! ! 15:19:48 v rougelike 15:20:04 nethack isn't roguelike enough 15:20:10 Ugh. Nethack. 15:20:11