00:00:17 !refactor PleasingFungus 00:00:24 !rebase Grunt 00:00:25 PleasingFungus rebases Grunt. Grunt is banished to the reflog! 00:00:28 help gw isn't showing up on the tourney pages 00:00:32 no!!! 00:00:40 (probably that'll fix itself?) 00:01:12 applying a week in makes a kind of sense, since most of the critical bugs should be fixed by then??? 00:01:14 idk 00:02:57 !gamesby gw 00:02:58 gw has played 136 games, between 2014-05-28 04:59:00 and 2014-08-28 04:56:37, won 0, high score 4035, total score 44125, total turns 421399, play-time/day 0:02:04, total time 3:12:24. 00:03:09 &rc gw 0.15 00:03:11 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.15/gw.rc 00:03:34 Grunt: should be on the pages within 4 hours 00:03:49 ??gw 00:03:49 I don't have a page labeled gw in my learndb. Did you mean: ew, gc, ge, gh, gl, gr, hw, qw, rw, tgw, tw, xw. 00:04:36 !learn add gw see {grunt[8]} 00:04:37 gw[1/1]: see {grunt[8]} 00:05:06 (gw is a pun bot, right??) 00:06:44 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15.0-0-g69783ea 00:06:50 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:07:01 ??gw 00:07:01 grunt[8/19]: The pun machine 00:07:04 nice 00:07:14 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:36 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...] 00:08:00 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.2-0-ge6be5b4 00:08:25 grunt[18] was also an option maybe 00:08:41 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:09:09 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:29 ??grunt[18 00:09:29 grunt[18/19]: grunt plays like he codes: optimized for speed and maximum character death 00:09:32 heh 00:09:34 -!- PleasingFungus has left ##crawl-dev 00:09:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:40 I liked that one 00:14:02 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14.2-0-ge6be5b4 (34) 00:14:31 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-296-gbdb9f68 (34) 00:16:26 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:20:13 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Quit: Say hello, to the rug's topography...] 00:21:58 -!- espressodan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:18 -!- espressodan has quit [Client Quit] 00:26:29 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:54 -!- Gene_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:28:29 -!- espressodan has quit [Client Quit] 00:28:51 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:22 -!- espressodan has quit [Client Quit] 00:31:36 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:40 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:24 -!- espressodan has quit [Client Quit] 00:35:37 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:18 -!- espressodan has quit [Client Quit] 00:39:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:40 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:23 -!- eki has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:35 -!- espressodan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47:27 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:53:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:53:52 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:54:08 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:41 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:55:34 -!- SSG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04:23 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04:54 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06:02 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:06:27 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:13:30 -!- eki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:15:36 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:16:45 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:21 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:18:04 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:19:42 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:14 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:23:24 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:10 -!- zercules has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:34:52 -!- InvalidUser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:37:54 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 01:44:24 -!- Archison has quit [Client Quit] 01:49:58 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:49:59 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 01:50:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:53:05 Hmm, I guess I forgot to push my hints mode tweaks.. 01:54:19 Quite embarrassing. 01:54:26 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 01:54:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:55:00 0.15.1! 01:55:04 Yes! 01:55:30 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:55:37 I think there are just some mentions of obsolete features, nothing more serious. 01:57:48 what if we look unprofessional??? 01:59:01 that'll give an accurate impression about the nature of the project? 02:00:50 (the joke) 02:02:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:06:52 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:07:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140825030205]] 02:07:33 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:19 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:28 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15.0-0-g69783ea 02:17:33 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:33 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:01 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:20:29 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:22:28 -!- madgeek has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 02:24:26 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.2-0-ge6be5b4 02:27:28 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:30:22 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:42 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-296-gbdb9f68 (34) 02:31:49 -!- hauzer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:32:46 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:33:32 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:41:27 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:43:49 -!- tolly has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:49 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:47:49 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:03 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:51:19 -!- Franky has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:54:16 -!- giganticus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:54:16 -!- eki has quit [Client Quit] 02:58:40 -!- RaveRadbury has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:04:01 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:13:10 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:14:25 -!- ssc has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:15:19 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:45 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:08 so will cdo get .15 before the tournament starts 03:16:21 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:16:29 -!- Fatal_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:41 Hey, any of you know how to get sound working on? 03:16:49 I mean, I've done the basics but it just isn't working. 03:16:59 Like, I compiled it on windows, uncommented the sound bit 03:17:25 It says you need to link winmn though? I'm not sure what that means. 03:17:33 adding -lwinmn certainly didn't do it 03:18:59 I mean I literally know nothing about any of this but I managed to compile a working game with uh...csygwin 03:19:19 It's just sitll not reading the regex commands 03:19:56 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:20:34 I got it working on 0.7.1 but not on the new ones. 03:22:10 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:27:37 -!- Letchik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:41 -!- hauzer1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:31:43 -!- eb_ has quit [] 03:38:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:16 Hey pat. 03:48:31 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:54:08 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:58:05 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:58:20 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 04:06:07 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:08:24 Well, I'll check in later. 04:08:39 -!- Fatal_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:12:23 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:19:18 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:36 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:22:40 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:27:04 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:35:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:36:56 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:40:43 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:28 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:53:26 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:49 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:00:08 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 05:02:15 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:02:25 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=98 05:03:07 since napkin isn't around I suppose there'll be no .15 for cdo? 05:04:33 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:10:58 -!- Kolbur has left ##crawl-dev 05:12:12 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:53 ??aut 05:15:53 aut[1/1]: Arbitrary unit of time. 05:16:00 ??delay 05:16:00 attack delay[1/3]: Attack delay is 10 time units for a melee weapon with base speed 100%. Every 2 levels of weapon skill lower the delay by 1 unit. 05:16:24 ??delay[2 05:16:24 attack delay[2/3]: A weapon's minimum delay is half of its base delay (rounded down) but no more than 7 (5 for cutlasses). For example, a club (base delay 13) has minimum delay 6, while an executioner's axe (base delay 20) has minimum delay 7. 05:29:15 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:39:31 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:41:06 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:54:40 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 06:00:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:17:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:41 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:27 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:44 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:22:15 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:24:01 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:25:22 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:26:20 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 06:32:09 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:53 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 06:42:18 -!- stanzwecha has quit [Quit: au rev] 06:46:00 -!- tw__ is now known as tw_ 06:47:35 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:50:57 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:41 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 06:53:04 -!- gigantic_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53:12 !tell Grunt on wordpress: "Hoping you mean August 29th, not April, otherwise it’s going to be a long wait ;)" 06:53:12 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 06:59:03 -!- Miauw has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:51 I've talked to Aleksi (my "admin"), we're probably going to set up CLAN with a bit more memory for the tournament :) 07:01:44 good thing, moving between levels is awfully slow (compared to CDO) and the tournament hasn't even started 07:02:02 speaking of cdo, FR napkin 07:05:24 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:36 he says he's out of office this week, so CDO will presumably get 0.15 next week 07:06:43 so patience, please :) 07:11:59 -!- Pluie|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:16 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14:26 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:14:38 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 07:18:15 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:25:54 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:30 Lantea going down for a memory upgrade 07:32:44 Webtiles server stopped. 07:32:47 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:32:48 <|amethyst> TZer0: btw, how do you pronounce "lantea"? 07:33:02 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:04 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:11 with Norwegian pronounciation.. 07:33:13 soo.. uhh 07:33:24 <|amethyst> three syllables? 07:33:47 yeah 07:34:09 the e is is close to the one found in the word "fret" 07:35:59 <|amethyst> the first a is short and the second long? 07:36:22 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:37 <|amethyst> or both short? 07:36:39 more or less, the 2nd a is longer, but also quite short 07:36:50 <|amethyst> and where's the stress? 07:36:53 the e 07:37:23 hmm.. where's lantell.. 07:37:34 <|amethyst> okay, that's not *too* far from how I was pronouncing it 07:37:38 <|amethyst> TZer0: 08:36:22 ۰۰-- Lantell [~Lantell@crawl.lantea.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:44 oh, derp 07:38:11 <|amethyst> (I was doing /lan 07:38:14 <|amethyst> err 07:38:46 <|amethyst> læn ˈte ə 07:39:12 <|amethyst> every vowel wrong, but at least I had the right stress :) 07:44:08 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:37 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:54:40 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参!] 07:56:15 -!- Brannock has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:27 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:01:38 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:02:06 -!- radinms has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:03:15 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12:22 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:07 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:19:22 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:02 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:21:13 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:16 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:42:36 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 08:43:31 !cmd !abyssturns 08:43:31 Command: !abyssturns => .echo $(let (t (split ' ' (=abyssturns.tripturns ${1:-.} $*))) $t" min: "(foldr min (car $t) (cdr $t))) 08:43:35 !abyssturns 08:43:37 298 1549 863 241 31 338 277 575 227 188 1038 686 1856 166 283 703 545 189 218 623 2253 438 2054 322 15 261 614 150 177 570 3065 min: 1038 08:44:03 anyone here know why the min part isn't getting the min? 08:44:42 e.g. : 08:44:46 .echo $(let (l (list 2 6 3 8 6 4 7)) (foldr max (car $l) (cdr $l))) 08:44:46 8 08:44:54 (that one is for max 08:44:55 ) 08:45:14 that ^ works 08:50:07 |amethyst, it would seem we need some more clanmates 08:54:19 for a moment I rejoiced clan significantly sped up after the downtime 08:56:47 now it's just as slow as before :( 08:56:48 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:21 I guess the difference between CDO and clan isn't distance/latency as much as it's server load 09:03:45 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:03:57 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:09:30 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:50 -!- Pluie|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:19:09 -!- pisslord has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:19 -!- [1]techy121592 has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 09:22:10 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:59 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:25 Ok, I figured that problem out 09:23:29 !abyssturns 09:23:36 Kramin : Shortest abyss trip: 15 turns, Longest abyss trip: 3065 turns, Average abyss trip: 671 turns. 09:25:06 -!- Battlekrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:57 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:26:07 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:27:27 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14.2-0-ge6be5b4 09:28:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:58 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:33:07 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:35:03 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:38:41 blugh 09:39:21 i wish i knew anything, i'm poking through the source and i have no idea what i'm looking at half the time :( 09:39:38 what are you looking for? 09:40:11 stuff related to halo/umbra stuff, right now 09:40:40 most of my problem is having not enough experience with coding stuff, not nearly recently enough 09:43:17 -!- talism has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:43:18 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:33 -!- pisslord has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:44:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:44:46 tolly, you're looking to contribute? 09:44:51 or just poking around. 09:44:59 eventually the former, yeah 09:45:10 i just don't know what the fuck i'm doing :v 09:46:03 So how are you approaching that goal presently? 09:46:25 Messing around, looking for the code which powers a specific mechanic (umbra)? 09:46:35 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:51 tolly, and what OS are you using? 09:47:15 i'm on a mac, but i'm looking at the code via s-z.org 09:48:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:15 tolly, well, I ask because in the long run you're going to need tools like an edit, git, and a way to build the source. In the short term you're going to need tools like grep, since you'll be searching for references to methods and enum types due to unfamiliarity. 09:52:27 tolly, when I first started out, because I was eager to contribute quickly, I looked through mantis for a defect which a) seemed straightforward and b) wasn't too big in terms of "changing crawl" and then began to use grep to search for keywords that might point me in the right direction. (defects where the issue has to do with output text can be a good starting point due to the ease of finding the a 09:52:27 ffected text) 09:52:48 i'm not looking to make any revolutionary changes :P 09:53:56 but thanks for the tips 09:54:36 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:57:38 grep is pretty useful for making any changes 09:57:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04:53 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:10 -!- Roderic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:06:19 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:09:48 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:10:54 I would say that grep is a necessary tool, regardless of whether you are familiar with the codebase in question or not...but is critical for developers who are not familiar with the codebase. 10:14:19 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:42 apologies for incoming commit flood - I figured I should stick things into a remote branch so people could actually review them sometime before I pushed them to master 10:15:00 should just do that from the beginning! 10:15:20 New branch created: formreform (52 commits) 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-297-g593b9d6: Define NUM_FORMS 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=593b9d6d4c3e 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-298-gfcd5f01: Refactor out an unused param 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 11+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcd5f017042a 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-299-g60d5b60: Remove an unused & complex function parameter 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 3+ 47-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60d5b606da00 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-300-g3bd483c: Remove a set of unused parameters 10(3 weeks ago, 11 files, 68+ 171-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bd483cc1bb4 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-301-g18b033d: create Form classes; add name 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 141+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=18b033d71488 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-302-g24e0e8f: Add equipment slots to form objects 10(3 weeks ago, 4 files, 260+ 205-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24e0e8f521bc 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-303-g6cc1bcb: Add equivalent monster to form objects 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 89+ 59-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cc1bcb5157d 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-304-ge820787: Add size to form objects 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 20+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8207875a371 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-305-g73456ac: Add stealth modifier to form objects 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 121+ 97-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=73456acbdaf7 10:15:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[formreform] * 0.16-a0-306-g6d00938: Move form unarmed damage into form objects 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 76+ 83-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d009389f01b 10:15:22 ... and 42 more commits 10:15:32 (which will be in a few weeks) 10:15:32 doy: the rebase cost.................. 10:15:32 well. more like the force push cost 10:15:32 I get real nervous about doing force pushes 10:15:32 you shouldn't! 10:15:51 (for topic branches anyway) 10:16:19 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:16:54 PleasingFungus, lol 10:17:03 I warned you! 10:17:33 anyway the stuff to look at in that branch is mainly transform.cc and transform.h, but also somewhat spl-util.cc:spell_is_useless() 10:18:04 PleasingFungus, is there a learndb or devwiki for the highlevel purpose of formreform? 10:19:09 it's about 90% code refactoring. representing data about forms as data, not endless switch statements and if-elses 10:20:14 so with grep, i DL the source and open it via grep? 10:20:40 tolly: that's not exactly how grep works 10:20:50 ok 10:20:51 tolly, grep searches file contents for a word or series of words. 10:21:18 Cryp71c: then there's some other stuff that crept in there - is_undead removed (replaced with undead_state()), letting lichform memorize spells, refactoring spell_is_useless(), fixing the max mp bug. it seemed like a good idea at the time 10:21:27 i see 10:21:30 I think there was some particular reason why those depended on the refactoring 10:21:40 but i still need to download the source, right 10:21:47 yes 10:21:52 tolly, grep works on local files, so yes. 10:22:00 tolly, open "terminal" 10:22:02 if you haven't 10:22:15 and type "git" 10:22:19 I don't recall if it's installed by default 10:22:30 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:03 holy shit what is wrong with terminal's font :v 10:24:04 it's like 10:24:07 super light grey 10:24:11 on a field of white 10:25:14 okay, i think i fixed that :v 10:25:20 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:52 it's downloading dev tools now 10:28:08 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.7.0/20140723063708]] 10:31:07 real pros use the "homebrew" theme, imho 10:31:44 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:32:49 btw tolly go into terminal -> preferences -> settings -> text and check the "use bright colors for bold text" checkbox 10:32:53 iirc it's not checked by default? 10:32:59 and it breaks some stuff when testing console 10:37:00 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:39:11 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:24 -!- dillzy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46:08 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:24 -!- dillzy has quit [Client Quit] 10:46:26 let me take a look 10:46:31 sorry, got called away by a thing 10:46:38 i think i might be moving today :v 10:46:41 nice! 10:46:45 unless that's bad! 10:47:08 probably good 10:47:36 seeing as i've been living in a homeless shelter in a space with like 90 other dudes 10:47:46 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:48:01 hm, bright colors/bold text is checked 10:48:16 there's something in there that I could have sworn was unchecked by default 10:48:17 w/e 10:48:26 -!- Kadarus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:48:29 i'm sure i'll find out eventually in that case :v 10:48:41 -!- Kadarus|2 is now known as Kadarus 10:48:50 :) 10:49:06 okay so do you have some source code 10:49:22 downloaded a tarball thing 10:49:27 -!- eki has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:49:29 really wish i remembered what that meant 10:49:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:46 that's it, right 10:53:38 so what do i do with the tar baby 10:53:58 I suspect you can double-click it 10:54:10 also don't be racist!!!! 10:55:01 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:06 -!- eki has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:56:11 i like salty crackers 10:56:11 Bloax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:56:16 !messages 10:56:16 (1/1) ontoclasm said (11h 34m 19s ago): Can you send me your tornado without the background? thanks~ 10:57:43 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/nado.png 10:57:44 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 10:59:15 is that a racist thing? 10:59:47 * tolly doesn't remember if the brer rabbit stuff enough to be sure 11:00:09 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_baby#Racist_interpretation 11:00:11 http://www.newrepublic.com/article/put-differently/93088/tar-baby-racist-slur "probably not racist, mostly" 11:03:15 "not intended as racist but nevertheless informed by institutionalized societal racism" 11:03:33 (putting it into a rather nasty gray area) 11:03:40 geekosaur: why did you use all those words just to say "racist" 11:03:40 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 11:03:59 because he is being a tar baby 11:04:01 rip 11:04:02 because racism isn't a simple binary? 11:04:04 I regret everything 11:04:13 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140825030205]] 11:04:40 nothing in this world is binary 11:05:01 except binary 11:06:26 <|amethyst> use "gum doll", it's closest to the original 11:06:33 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anansi#How_Anansi_got_his_stories 11:06:42 <|amethyst> (but no one will know what you mean) 11:06:52 -!- eki has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07:00 <|amethyst> (OTOH, that's better than having people think you meant something else) 11:07:45 mmm the word police 11:08:23 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08:29 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:08:46 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:10 Bloax, they have a workers' exchange program with the grammar nazis. 11:09:38 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:15 What if I told you that I am a legit grammar nazi?? 11:11:14 thanks for your helpful info pleasingfungus 11:11:16 (politics are terribly nonconsensual things) 11:11:41 also thank you geekosaur 11:12:10 oh pleasing is gone 11:13:15 <|amethyst> If everyone would agree that the Commonwealth has the best ball-and-stick game 11:13:18 I oculd wax lyrical about the distinctions I was drawing but I'm not sure anyone else really cares >.> 11:13:22 <|amethyst> we'd have hegemony cricket 11:14:03 and, well, most of the reason I care is it how it interacts (or more precisely fails to interact) with my own personal brainfail... 11:21:09 geekosaur i am somewhat interested in the topic 11:21:27 despite it being rather unhealthy for me to dwell on :v 11:21:40 anyway probably not a conversation for this particular channel though 11:22:50 but this probably isn't the place to discuss it. but in short: there's a conflict when people are trying to not be racisyt, but as young children they absorbed some level of institutionalized societal racism at a level that's really hard to spot or do anything about 11:23:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:14 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:32 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:30 tolly have you mastered the arkane sekryts of grep yet 11:24:39 alternately have you untarred your archive 11:29:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34:21 not quite yet, i'm catching a bus right now 11:34:29 -!- tolly is now known as tollyphone 11:35:37 imho don't get hit 11:35:56 i'm pretty good at missing them 11:36:23 possibly I should stop distracting you 11:36:42 * tollyphone 's life is a constant string of close misses with death and/or any kind of social contact 11:37:23 nah i'm just waiting for this bus's driver to come off their break 11:37:28 this sounds vaguely familiar 11:41:13 <|amethyst> I caught a bus once, but it was too small to keep so I threw it back. Turns it it was an endangered species, so they still took away my busing license 11:41:24 <|amethyst> I've since taken to bow-hunting garbage trucks 11:41:46 <3 11:44:25 oh. |amethyst, did you see I pushed formreform to a branch, for review? 11:44:54 hm. I think my maxmp fix was a non-optimal solution 11:45:03 if we used unsigned bytes instead of signed, we could do it without a minor tag... 11:45:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I saw but haven't looked at it yet 11:45:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: semester started yesterday 11:45:19 fair enough! 11:45:24 no rush, it'll be a few weeks until I merge 11:45:41 <|amethyst> hopefully you're waiting until after the tournament, not the middle of it :) 11:45:46 <|amethyst> !time 11:45:48 Time: Aug 28, 2014, 04:45:46 PM, UTC. The 2014 0.15 tournament starts in 1 day, 3 hours, 14 minutes and 13 seconds. 11:46:27 tempting to merge right before the end 11:46:30 but probably afterward, yes 11:46:40 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:46:40 -!- [1]svendre is now known as svendre 11:47:06 <|amethyst> If I don't remember, someone copy %cf47855 tomorrow 11:47:10 <|amethyst> err 11:47:13 <|amethyst> s/%// 11:47:17 <|amethyst> %git cf47855 11:47:18 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-134-gcf47855: Remind online trunk players about the tournament. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf4785587213 11:47:58 -!- giganticus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:48:24 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:48:41 <|amethyst> I guess we could also do a one-or-two-line blurb on the servers' webtiles and dgl banners 11:49:09 <|amethyst> also, make 0.15 the default on the servers where trunk is already the default 11:49:15 <|amethyst> s/already/currently/ 11:49:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:50:29 both seem reasonable 11:50:49 let's see if we can get this tournament in the top 10 of crawl tournament turnouts! 11:51:58 -!- Wark- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:38 -!- debo has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:01:13 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:42 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:03:09 <|amethyst> btw, when we switch to C++11 12:03:14 <|amethyst> should we also consider boost? 12:04:26 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:08:32 -!- giganticus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:43 -!- giganticus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:43 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15.0-0-g69783ea 12:15:55 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14.2-0-ge6be5b4 12:16:10 is it known issue that clan versions are mixed up? 12:18:18 -!- giganticus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:16 in console 12:21:35 i was somewhat involved in another project that used boost, i remember like half of all compiling questions were because of boost version issues 12:21:49 -!- giganticus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:23 yeah, i'm kinda questionable on boost 12:22:35 can I set my tourney info in my CAO 15(beta) rc file? 12:23:05 -!- Kadarus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:23:24 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:23:50 should be able to 12:23:56 cool 12:24:10 i guess r*x hasn't updated it to say it's the actual release yet 12:26:40 -!- giganticus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:20 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-296-gbdb9f68 (34) 12:30:13 <|amethyst> usually I handle that for CAO and CSZO 12:30:16 <|amethyst> and, no, I haven't 12:30:49 <|amethyst> I'll do that when I add the tourament blurb, but I don't know if that will be today because I teach a three-hour night class 12:30:56 %branch formreform 12:30:56 Branch formreform: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/formreform 12:31:12 <|amethyst> wow 12:31:18 oh no oinking 12:31:31 <|amethyst> I forgot I implemented that 12:31:59 |amethyst: yes, i only found out about it because i clicked on the git history of chei instead of monster by accident once 12:32:15 <|amethyst> I hope you didn't look at 'roguelike' 12:32:22 <|amethyst> that was my learning-Python project :) 12:35:47 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:20 PleasingFungus: good 14-year old comment 12:39:14 -!- sleepdice is now known as ziodice 12:39:44 -!- giganticus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:58 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:45:04 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:12 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:48:58 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:51:45 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:53:02 <|amethyst> Grunt: you were doing debian stuff? 12:53:53 <|amethyst> Grunt: gnuvince comments on reddit that the debian packages depend on an obsolete font package name: http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/2esk07/crawl_015_storm_over_zot/ck2svx8 12:54:39 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:07 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:21 <|amethyst> Grunt: I think debian downstream (the who was a 4.1 developer!) has a patch for that against 0.14.1: https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/crawl 12:56:32 <|amethyst> Grunt: s/who/maintainer/ 12:57:07 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:55 uhhh 12:58:59 make: *** No rule to make target `strings.h', needed by `util/levcomp.tab.o'. Stop. 13:00:18 (lemme guess there's some dependency file I needed to purge before building?) 13:01:30 yep. rm strings.[do] 13:02:26 PleasingFungus: one of your comments get something wrong, US_SEMI_UNDEAD is ghouls and US_HUNGRY_UNDEAD is vampires 13:02:34 i think you made some code mistakes based on this confusion too 13:03:00 <|amethyst> wheals: no, you have it backwards :) 13:03:04 <|amethyst> !source get_undead_state 13:03:05 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/newgame.cc;hb=HEAD#l163 13:03:11 they are very very badly named enums 13:03:19 <|amethyst> rename them then 13:03:30 oh ok, the comment was definitely wrong though 13:03:32 <|amethyst> US_LICHMUMMY, US_GHOUL, US_VAMPIRE 13:03:46 yeah i know I was confused about it at some point 13:04:05 tbh the whole concept of 'undead state' is a little odd, since it's linked so very tightly to race 13:04:06 <|amethyst> BTW, lots of praise from Darren Grey for 0.15 changes 13:04:06 <|amethyst> http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/2esk0w/dcss_015_storm_over_zot/ck2o4ks 13:04:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, the only reason it exists to to merge mummies and liches somewhere 13:04:30 +*Whatistheplayer's(current)placeontheUndeadSpectrum? 13:04:30 +*(alive,hungryundead(vampire),semi-undead(ghoul),orverydead(mummy, 13:04:30 +*lich) 13:04:41 wow, sorry for the newlines there 13:04:43 <|amethyst> ah, yes, that is backwards 13:05:17 change US_SEMI_UNDEAD to US_THIRSTY_UNDEAD 13:05:24 US_IT_WANTS_TO_SUCK_YOUR_BLOOD 13:05:37 <|amethyst> US_THIRSTY_MY_FRIENDS 13:06:13 US_SOMETIMES_SORT_OF_UNDEAD_ISH 13:06:54 also there are an astonishing number of different places where "can the player starve" and "does the player have hunger costs" are calculated (those are two different questions) 13:07:00 I have a standing todo to unite those 13:07:07 er 13:07:21 rather, to add helper functions for those two distinct questions & to use them consistently 13:13:04 -!- MrPlanck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:14:02 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:15:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140808030201]] 13:15:46 -!- Kadarus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:17:15 -!- Nabalzbhf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:27 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:41 PleasingFungus: wow, you didn't mention porcupine blood in the commit message 13:19:42 shameful 13:20:02 oh 13:20:04 I forgot about it 13:20:23 there are a lot of weird oversights with the badforms that have been lingering since they were added 13:20:32 porcupine blood, porcupine/treeform stat adjustments 13:20:48 treeform gscs... 13:20:58 ruined! 13:25:47 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:12 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28:22 -!- rast- is now known as rast 13:28:33 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:29:47 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15.0-0-g69783ea 13:30:13 letownia (L9 DEVM) (D:7) 13:30:21 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:21 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 13:30:33 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:31:55 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15.0-0-g69783ea (34) 13:32:34 !crashlog letownia 13:32:35 3. letownia, XL9 DEVM, T:6523 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/letownia/crash-letownia-20140828-183011.txt 13:32:53 -!- zercules has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:33:47 <|amethyst> that's during IO 13:34:16 <|amethyst> so *probably* not a crawl bug 13:34:43 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 13:35:15 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:16 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:16 -!- [1]svendre is now known as svendre 13:35:29 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:27 -!- ziodice has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:35 ok, cdo has 0.15 too 13:47:50 nice! 13:48:00 potatolizard: ping 13:48:40 ty very much, napkin. (And sorry for the inconvenient timing!) 13:48:48 wheals: hm? 13:49:09 <|amethyst> I contacted frogor (pudquick) about OS X builds 13:49:13 <|amethyst> and gave him a heads up that we might be dropping universal builds in 0.16 13:50:26 i remember you were complaining about cdo :P 13:50:48 hooray! 13:51:02 |amethyst: could you add the milestone files etc to the stats/scoring bot/website? 13:51:37 uhm 13:51:41 I can't save my rcfile for some reason 13:51:48 <|amethyst> Napkin: I can add them to scoring; elliptic to the tournament 13:51:52 <|amethyst> Napkin: and thanks! 13:52:11 dispater and asmo start with their unrands wielded, right? 13:52:17 unable to create file "/dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-0.15/perunasaurus.rc" 13:52:58 mhm, so i guess there's no good reason for the special flag on them either 13:53:06 try again, potatolizard 13:53:24 better login again, actually 13:53:54 mm, it worked even without relogging 13:53:59 <|amethyst> Napkin: looks like /morgues/0.15 isn't online yet? 13:54:14 <|amethyst> Napkin: and elliptic will need the rcfiles online I believe 13:54:41 <|amethyst> @rc neil 13:54:42 http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/Neil.rc 13:56:04 thanks, fixed, |amethyst 13:57:01 you are not releasing often enough! i'm forgetting something every time ;) 13:58:25 <|amethyst> 12 releases a year 13:58:45 <|amethyst> 0.201410 : Refactor over Zot 13:58:53 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59:03 at least, |amethyst ;) 14:03:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:05:12 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:06:16 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:09:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:15:53 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:28 "Ever-Gnashing Radulae" 14:17:29 yisss 14:18:10 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:12 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:28:37 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:20 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:34:06 -!- Vizer__ has quit [Quit: bye] 14:39:34 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:41:18 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:27 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 14:47:16 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 14:47:25 what is porcupine blood 14:48:24 0.15 cdo games aren't tracked/announced? 14:48:49 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:51:06 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:51:55 would it make sense to dump the wizmode names in crashes instead of the number? or is it a problem to call the function that gets them, in case it crashes itself? 14:52:24 s/names/names of durations/ 14:52:49 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:00 yeah, the crash dump code should really call as little other code as possible 14:53:13 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:53:53 in particular, it shouldn't allocate any memory, or things like that, because it might be called from a segv handler 14:54:08 and there are very few things that it's safe to do from a segv handler 14:55:56 tollyphone: at present, if the player is turned into a porcupine, they don't have blood 14:56:07 so they don't bleed when struck, and can't cast sublimation 14:56:25 ah 14:56:26 I can only assume this is a rare, little-known fact about porcupines. 14:57:22 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:36 who maintains sequell again? 14:58:57 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:58:59 that would be the snark 15:03:12 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:03:17 mm, apparently gretell isn't tracking 0.15 either 15:04:29 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:33 -!- somebody1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:07:43 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:17:05 <|amethyst> Napkin: gretell's list of milestones/logfiles needs to be updated apparently? 15:17:17 oh, yes 15:17:41 are you logged in by any chance? 15:17:50 kinda relaxing at the moment ;) 15:18:13 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:18:28 !cheers napkin 15:18:28 * Sequell slides a glass of rum across the bar to napkin, on the house. 15:18:40 :D 15:18:45 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:32 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:58 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:25:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:12 -!- Miauw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:32 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:29:15 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:56 wheals: rw is in qw's rcfile, I don't know how much time rwbarton will have to run it though 15:31:51 ah, ok 15:31:56 %rc qw 0.15 15:31:57 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.15/qw.rc 15:32:53 -!- espressodan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:32 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:36:53 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:23 hey elliptic, could you add 0.15 of cdo to the tourney scoring, please? 15:38:29 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:02 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:45:09 Napkin: sure, thanks for setting it up! 15:45:20 thanks! 15:49:46 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:21 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:54:56 !lm * 0.15 s=src 15:54:57 2204 milestones for * (0.15): 1313x cszo, 770x cao, 72x clan, 48x cbro, ckr 15:55:14 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:55:31 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:37 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:56:01 <|amethyst> greensnark: CDO 0.15 stuff is up for sequell's perusal 15:56:12 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:34 <|amethyst> hm, only one ckr? 15:56:45 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.15 s=src 15:56:45 443 games for * (0.15): 243x cszo, 171x cao, 17x clan, 12x cbro 15:56:48 they might just have updated or something 15:57:01 <|amethyst> no, it's been in scoring for a while 15:57:02 !lm * 0.15 ckr 15:57:03 1. [2014-08-28 20:33:50] hyun13600 the Summoner (L12 GrSu of Sif Muna) killed the ghost of kagans the Hoplite, a powerful MiFi of Cheibriados on turn 18062. (D:12) 15:57:11 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:23 |amethyst: 0.15 branch has, but that was 0.15-a until release 15:57:35 <|amethyst> oh 15:57:37 <|amethyst> !kw 0.15 15:57:51 specifically it was v=0.15.0-b1 15:57:56 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:02 rip sequell 15:58:02 <|amethyst> !kw 0.15 15:58:03 Built-in: 0.15 => cv=0.15 15:58:10 <|amethyst> ah 15:58:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:30 <|amethyst> I didn't realise the version keywords excluded beta 15:58:59 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:07 <|amethyst> (I knew cv=0.15 did, but didn't know that's what plain "0.15" meant) 15:59:10 !lg * 0.15 s=src 15:59:10 453 games for * (0.15): 243x cszo, 172x cao, 17x clan, 12x cbro, 9x cdo 15:59:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:41 maybe I will go qwqw on ckr to check that it is working though 15:59:46 ??ckr 15:59:46 ckr[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by sd1989 on irc. http://kr.dobrazupa.org:8080/ 16:00:31 !lg * 0.15 s=src 16:00:32 453 games for * (0.15): 243x cszo, 172x cao, 17x clan, 12x cbro, 9x cdo 16:01:14 !lg * 0.15 s=src 16:01:15 454 games for * (0.15): 243x cszo, 172x cao, 17x clan, 12x cbro, 9x cdo, ckr 16:01:19 <|amethyst> yay 16:01:20 !lg * 0.15 1 16:01:21 1/454. sergedm the Sneak (L3 OpAs), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2014-08-28 05:33:53, with 37 points after 1055 turns and 0:02:14. 16:01:25 !lg * 0.15 ckr 1 16:01:26 1. qwqw the Firebug (L1 DsFE), got out of the dungeon alive on 2014-08-28 21:00:20, with 0 points after 1 turn and 0:00:07. 16:02:21 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:02 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:07:45 hi mumra 16:08:22 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:49 -!- RodericNull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:09:24 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:12:00 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:35 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:37 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:17:12 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:18:38 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:49 Hm. Sending an email to the Japanese server guy. 16:18:53 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:19:07 What would be required for his server to become one of the official ones? (for after this tournament, presumably) 16:20:52 that he share his webtiles patches! 16:20:58 I'd like to have that server score one 16:21:08 maybe that's pretty ad-hoc though 16:21:55 is the jp server listed in learndb? 16:22:00 we could at least do that 16:22:16 although I guess it doesn't have an 'official' abbreviation 16:23:35 ??objstat 16:23:35 objstat[1/3]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a full debug build of crawl ("make debug") to generate item/monster statistics by level/branch; see crawl -help for details 16:23:37 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:23:41 ??objstat[2 16:23:41 objstat[2/3]: Latest (Generated 2014 Aug or earlier) statistics: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing 16:23:46 hrm, that's a lie I think 16:23:52 but I'm going to update them anyhow 16:24:00 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:44 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:25:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:51 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: milestones, logfiles, morgues, and preferably rcs need to be publicly available 16:27:34 hi 16:28:20 -!- Sky has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:28:27 aight 16:28:57 my vague concern about the webtiles changes is that they will quite certainly conflict with webtiles-changes to some extent - I know both touch the lobby 16:29:05 but I suppose there's no harm in asking. 16:29:09 mumra: hi! 16:29:23 <|amethyst> might point it out to edlothiol if you haven't already 16:29:32 <|amethyst> mumra: hi!! 16:29:38 yes, I've seen them 16:29:50 |amethyst: hi!!! 16:30:01 and they'll probably be hard to merge with webtiles-changes 16:30:03 wow, 0.15 16:30:18 I haven't looked at the source, thoug 16:30:19 h 16:32:26 mumra, my memory is shoddy - was boulder form your project? 16:32:37 yeah that was me 16:32:49 ah! 16:32:59 I was working on it for a while 16:33:03 since it was very close to an idea I had 16:33:10 (boulder beetle form) 16:33:16 the bouncing turns out to be very hard to implement well, though. 16:36:51 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:38:32 yeah 16:38:36 i had a plan for that 16:39:01 the tragedy is i never finished boulder sprint :( 16:39:05 aka screwball scramble 16:40:14 What was your plan? 16:40:42 i can't remember now P 16:40:47 it was like a year ago 16:41:12 it was working very primitively tho iirc 16:41:32 heh 16:41:52 the thing was having to raytrace in case the velocity was high enough to skip cells 16:41:59 heh 16:42:07 yeah I've been running into all kinds of fun problems like that 16:42:15 -!- Philonous has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42:16 classic issues, tbf 16:43:00 gammafunk: sent the japanese server op an email. carefully revised it to be relatively comprehensible even after being filtered back and forth through machine translation, in the hopes that it'll help. we'll see! 16:43:16 i miss that kind of fun 16:43:37 i need to steer my career towards games programming tbh 16:44:47 heh 16:44:47 no don't!!! 16:44:47 -!- giganticus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:47 games programming for a living seems like it is the worst thing 16:44:47 hobby = good, job = bad 16:44:47 heh 16:44:49 ...guess I should go revise my job search in light of these statments 16:44:52 well we do games occasionally in my job and they're the projects i enjoy most 16:44:59 ahh 16:45:08 i would just rather be doing it ALL the tim 16:45:22 and games i've designed rather than ones designed by a marketer ... 16:45:26 mm 16:45:36 not a lot of people actually get to do that 16:45:43 unless you're notch 16:45:48 -!- dob_at_school has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:45:50 mumra: what's the one dcss project you started on or were really thinking of started on that you'd most like to see through if you somehow had the time? 16:46:59 going to laugh if he says boulder form 16:47:01 gammafunk: well, several to choose from ... :P 16:47:15 i think some of the procedural level generators were going in a really good direction 16:47:51 and i wish i'd seen some of that through to the end 16:47:54 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:59 infiniplex has done some nice layout work recently, based on earlier stuff you and he had talked about, but mostly cleanups and revivals of some older layouts and layout ideas 16:48:22 nice 16:48:50 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:19 the evocations stuff i was starting to work on could have been really cool too 16:49:39 I keep complaining about getting the big cavern and big city with lots of doors on d:4-d:7, but I enabled infini there so I guess I can blame myself 16:50:02 yeah I did want to see the cup of charity thing go through 16:50:12 box of beasts needs some love, I think 16:50:24 cup of charity? 16:50:43 almost deck-like effects, but you give this evocable gold to get them 16:50:49 -!- Roderic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:50:49 it's a random effect each time 16:50:59 but you see what it is ahead of time 16:51:13 huh 16:51:22 gold increases exponentially with each use 16:51:24 in a way it's like potion petition, but not just potion effects, and generally not with mallus stuff mixed in 16:51:28 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:51:47 remember the whithered hand thing you started? I just loved that for the theme 16:51:53 hehe 16:51:59 we do have the macarbe finger unrand, which is similar theme 16:52:30 an amulet of warding that lets you wear a ring (on the finger),so you get an extra ring slot 16:52:43 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 16:53:24 i seem to remember when that was submitted on mantis 16:53:41 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:51 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 16:53:53 yes, pubby, creater of the Fo species and prolific creator of crazy unrands 16:54:20 the cup of charity mechanics were actually implemented, i just never wrote all the random effects for it 16:54:28 the implementation only has about 3 different effects 16:54:38 %branch cup-of-charity 16:54:38 Branch cup-of-charity: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/cup-of-charity 16:54:43 too many things that i 90% implemented :P 16:56:03 still, this last year i have learned how to actually complete projects :P 16:57:59 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:58:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:07 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:57 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:02:20 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:24 Bug report: if a headless hydra skeleton falls onto a pile of other skeletons, you cannot use animate skeleton to animate the others. 17:04:12 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:04:32 huh 17:04:45 You just keep trying and failing to animate the hydra 17:04:53 that's pretty funny, to be fair 17:05:00 what happens if you cast animate dead? 17:05:08 i didn't know if it was a bug or a feature 17:05:13 I'm sure it works fine, and the hydra just doesn't rise 17:05:16 I am undecided 17:05:49 possibly headless hydras collapsing should leave no skeletons 17:06:09 so you get the neat special case, once 17:06:09 It seems reasonable, considering that the only other effect they can have it jellies eating them 17:09:17 they can block doors! 17:09:33 -!- stanzwecha is now known as stanzill 17:10:31 I think it is ok to allow animate skeleton to unblock doors occupied by headless hydra skeletons 17:10:40 you can call it 'new secret tech' 17:10:40 player skill! 17:11:14 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:44 -!- bananaken has quit [] 17:19:13 we are supposed to just make all items/corpses fall in squares that are not doors 17:19:20 by we I guess I mean I 17:20:00 to solve the annoying use of ani skel, and just to prevent door closing annoyances in general 17:20:19 and then we (by which I mean PleasingFungus) are supposed to make door juggling somehow not a thing 17:20:28 door juggling sounds more fun than the actual thing 17:20:31 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-296-gbdb9f68 (34) 17:20:44 Simple: make opening doors torment you. 17:20:48 well we still have door mimics because of you, don't we? 17:20:53 or are those gone 17:21:17 no I think *closing* doors should torment you 17:21:23 Ah, good point 17:21:38 opening doors could hellfire you though 17:21:53 fr: hellfire doors in geh 17:21:59 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:58 Or it could slow you or give rot . . . basically, a death curse. 17:23:06 hehe 17:24:01 Okay, this is crazy, but now I want torment/hellfire doors. 17:24:07 Rarely, as part of vaults. 17:24:12 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:24:15 man 17:24:17 "Enter this vault and get tormented?" 17:24:19 think of new door vault 17:24:53 you open 3 layers of torment doors 17:24:58 and it's only butterflies 17:25:45 With one hellion in th emiddle 17:26:27 no, I removed door mimics, though I was and still am torn on the subject 17:26:38 ontoclasm: bloax sent you the tornado you asked for 17:26:40 Seriously, though: torment doors. This should be a thing. 17:26:59 well if you're serious, I'm not sure I see the point 17:27:10 I mean you realize you can disint the door 17:27:12 or ood it 17:27:29 Well, presumably these wouldn't be susceptible to those. 17:27:31 but aside from that, what would be the purpose, just to fight something at half hp? 17:27:36 yes 17:27:45 that's all the point there is. 17:27:51 well, I feel that's probably just best accomplished by making the thing you fight 17:27:54 have torment the spell 17:28:03 haha, fine 17:28:08 and if you don't even know that ahead of time, that's probabbly better than the door 17:28:20 perhaps door mimic code should go too then 17:28:38 wheals: what is your position on mimics? 17:29:22 we will never defeat PleasingFungus on this topic unless there's a unified front 17:29:23 i don't like them very much, but my position on door mimics is that i think i read the check for opaque monsters is surprisingly cosstly 17:29:36 and los checks are done quite often 17:29:51 PleasingFungus: think of the function call cost 17:30:02 and beware it 17:30:39 -!- ilyak has quit [Quit: nite] 17:32:04 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:32:05 -!- Codrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:06 imho 17:33:12 wait until I push my mimic branch before complaining about it 17:33:24 and by mimic branch I obviously mean a branch filled entirely with mimics 17:33:28 very crawl alternative 17:33:28 oh wow 17:33:32 mimic mimic 17:33:40 no but I wasn't criticizing said branch, didn't know it existed 17:33:50 I swear I talked to you about it a few weeks ago 17:33:52 eh 17:33:55 what's the premise? 17:34:01 or the branch idea 17:34:03 "make mimics cackle and vanish in a puff of smoke" 17:34:06 ah 17:34:12 there is not an actual branch filled with mimics :( 17:34:14 yet 17:34:21 (...or ever) 17:35:07 well, that's a significant improvement 17:35:38 yeah I recall that idea, didn't realize you had already done it 17:35:56 he isn't hasted patch executioner status, but he's at least a t-2 demon, our PleasingFungus 17:36:11 <3 17:36:11 I'm like a....rotting devil 17:36:13 remember those? 17:36:36 awww 17:36:43 don't be so down on yourself 17:36:49 I'm sure you're a blue devil, easily. 17:36:54 <3 17:37:19 gammafunk swoops at PleasingFungus! 17:37:44 PleasingFungus blasts gammafunk with hellfire! gammafunk is burned terribly! 17:38:06 i implemented like 5 Bad Ideas today 17:38:13 * gammafunk claps 17:38:16 can i be an R, maybe 17:38:16 dang!!! 17:38:25 an R 17:38:28 that's an interesting choice 17:38:38 as a tiles dev, I have a question 17:38:58 (what is a R) 17:39:00 ((in context)) 17:39:04 rakshasa/mara 17:39:07 rakshasa (08R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 47-86 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 20 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(146), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 994 | Sp: mystic blast (3d16), phantom mirror, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:39:07 %??rakshasa 17:39:16 ??R 17:39:16 I don't have a page labeled R in my learndb. Did you mean: ', 6, ar, cr, d, dr, er, gr, jr, mr, pr, q, re, rf, rl, rn, t, tr, u, v, wr, ©, ☡, 🍕. 17:39:20 hrm 17:39:26 that is a very specific glyph 17:39:27 thought we had entries for every glyph 17:39:36 ??🍕 17:39:36 food[2/4]: Sultana is 70. Grape is 100. Strawberry is 200. Lychee/choko/rambutan is 600. Apricot/pear/apple is 700. Banana/lemon/orange is 1000. Cheese/sausage is 1200. Beef jerky/pizza/snozzcumber is 1500. Porridge is 6040. In 0.15+, fruit is now condensed into one generic "fruit" item (worth 850 nutrition). 17:39:37 yeah it's unusual, there aren't many R 17:39:39 You just need to make more duplicating demons 17:39:41 oh man I forgot I did that 17:39:42 also grand avatars, and dryads 17:39:47 ah, right 17:39:47 learndb police got most of them, iirc 17:39:55 learndb police!!! 17:39:55 it needs some undead, so it can have every holiness 17:40:01 more like 17:40:02 Bloaxor: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:40:03 oh, and a holy 17:40:03 the fun police 17:40:04 just as well; that would have been pre-glyph-reform, right? 17:40:06 !messages 17:40:07 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (22h 53m 17s ago): :) 17:40:08 well considering the enemies, yeah I guess they encapsulate bad ideas pretty well 17:40:10 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:40:19 no, R was untoutched 17:40:26 closely related to the word police 17:40:35 where Dryads always R then? 17:40:38 grand avatar (06R) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 50 | AC/EV: 20/5 | Dam: 30(reach) | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 08acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm++ | XP: 0 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 17:40:38 %??grand avatar 17:40:41 they were 7s... 17:40:45 ah ok 17:40:50 maybe they should be is 17:40:52 moved then those were moved of 7, I guess 17:40:53 that's almost an 8 17:41:01 well they're spell-only 17:41:03 so R is ok 17:41:06 avatars were maybe 8s or *s at one point 17:41:16 spellforged servitor (138) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 80 | AC/EV: 10/10 | 11non-living, spellcaster, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 607 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 17:41:16 %??spellforged_servitor 17:41:19 hrm 17:41:32 yeah that's a bit inconsistent really 17:41:43 avatars as 9s, they're like inverted demonspawn 17:41:43 those two (servitors and g. avatars) seem they should be same glyph 17:42:03 huh, avatars are only rpois++ 17:42:24 and servitors not racid 17:42:27 yet avatars are 17:42:45 not to mention "napalm++" vs not 17:42:56 resistances, how do they work 17:44:06 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:47:04 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:49:18 -!- tollyphone has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:50:17 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:50:50 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53:27 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schnarch] 17:55:18 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:32 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:01:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:02:17 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:03 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:12:10 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:32 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:15:22 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:15:41 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:48 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:21:28 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:15 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:23:09 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:25:52 what 18:25:59 I missed a mumta visit 18:26:03 :((( 18:26:09 *mumra 18:26:17 (dang rip) 18:32:13 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:33:24 !source ranged_attack.cc 18:33:24 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ranged_attack.cc;hb=HEAD 18:35:00 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:01 hm. grunt, question 18:35:05 -!- Nstar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:06 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 18:35:13 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:35:41 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:41 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:36:58 ranged_attack::weapon_damage() calls calc_base_unarmed() damage for throwing weapons, which checks you.skill_rdiv(wpn_skill) (SK_THROWING) 18:37:06 ...even if the attacker is a monster? 18:37:43 I need to double-check, but it really looks an awful lot like increasing your throwing skill increases the damage monsters do by throwing 18:39:28 Uh, wait until I get home? 18:39:50 aight 18:40:25 I'm fairly sure calc_base_unarmed() is only (supposed to be) used for players. 18:41:07 supposed to be is, I think, the key qualifier here 18:42:09 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:28 we dropped support for DOS. Why should we keep around universal mac builds? 18:43:40 !send windows2k bh 18:43:40 Sending bh to windows2k. 18:43:58 hm? 18:44:18 send him to Win95 ME imo 18:44:21 for some reason i thought we still support win2k, that's around the same time 18:45:16 Here's a possibly reasonable question: Do we plan on ever dropping old mac support? 18:45:37 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:47:40 well, it seems more like a thing that just happens without a plan 18:48:46 like much of crawl development... 18:49:33 Do we have decision criteria for arch support? 18:50:20 "someone is willing to put in the effort to support it", I suspect 18:50:59 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:42 I still have plans to get it into macports, with gcc from macports dependency so it should build even on ppc and without the apple-gcc hackery 18:53:15 (and the new machine is on its way so I can stop tiptoeing around this one's failing components) 18:56:57 My assumption here is that we have very few macports players and getting decent memory semantics is more valuable than supporting them forever 18:57:27 -!- bh has quit [Quit: back later] 18:57:28 my assumption is that if there is a method that someone can use to get the game, someone will use it. it's not that hard to make a binary distribution 18:58:04 and, users of old macs already end up falling back on macports or homebrew to get software, because *nobody* builds for 10.5- or PPC any more 18:58:18 also, webtiles/console exist 18:58:20 and 32 bit Intel support will start to vanish soon 18:58:36 because Apple no longer includes it in Xcode 18:58:38 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:37 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:00:44 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:01:54 it's pretty much the way everything else in the ancient-mac world works, and has for some years now. 19:03:35 -!- Harkenn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:35 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140808030201]] 19:08:51 -!- ayutzia has quit [Client Quit] 19:09:47 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:14:48 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 19:15:50 -!- Sovek_ is now known as Sovek 19:16:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:23:00 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:06 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 19:23:06 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:38 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:55 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 19:29:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:25 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:52 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 19:31:02 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:35:16 !seen |amethyst 19:35:16 I last saw |amethyst at Thu Aug 28 21:29:31 2014 UTC (3h 5m 17s ago) saying 'mumra: hi!!' on ##crawl-dev. 19:35:16 * Grunt grunts, as Grunt often does. 19:35:16 !seen PleasingFungus 19:35:16 I last saw PleasingFungus at Fri Aug 29 00:34:48 2014 UTC (8s ago) saying '!seen |amethyst ' on ##crawl-dev. 19:35:16 Hello! 19:35:16 !seen wheals 19:35:16 I last saw wheals at Fri Aug 29 00:34:56 2014 UTC (5s ago) saying '!seen PleasingFungus ' on ##crawl-dev. 19:35:16 !abyss Grunt 19:35:16 wheals casts a spell. Grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 19:35:16 hi! 19:35:24 !glaciate wheals 19:35:24 Grunt gestures. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs wheals! 19:35:30 hi... 19:36:03 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:21 !seen mumra 19:37:22 I last saw mumra at Thu Aug 28 22:40:10 2014 UTC (1h 57m 11s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 264 seconds'. 19:37:23 * wheals sends Grunt to convert name == "great icy blast" to origin_spell == SPELL_GLACIATE 19:37:36 !abyss macports 19:37:37 bh casts a spell. macports is devoured by a tear in reality! 19:37:41 -!- Harkenn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:37:42 !send beam.cc wheals 19:37:42 Sending wheals to beam.cc. 19:38:52 update: goblin throwing a tomahawk for 27 damage 19:38:57 good goblin 19:39:12 %git dbbd74f5 19:39:13 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-415-gdbbd74f: Nerf throwing (#8493). 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 31+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbbd74f5e0fc 19:39:16 !! 19:39:51 just checking git blame 19:39:54 this would predate that commit 19:40:11 hm 19:40:54 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:41:55 how do I give monsters multiple items in vault syntax? I forget 19:42:30 orc ; hand axe . leather armour 19:42:36 ahh, . 19:42:47 orc ; executioner's axe . crystal plate armour 19:43:23 orc; fruit unrand:axe_of_woe . slice of pizza unrand:maxwell's_patent_armour 19:43:32 rip "choko unrand:" 19:43:47 !send Grunt the Choko of Woe 19:43:47 Sending the Choko of Woe to Grunt. 19:43:57 aw, giving the goblin a claymore pre-that-commit didn't cause it to do massive damage :( 19:43:59 !send wheals Maxwell's Patent Choko 19:43:59 Sending Maxwell's Patent Choko to wheals. 19:44:02 anyway yeah 19:44:04 good bug 19:44:14 imo make it 0.15.0-1-g 19:44:27 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:44:40 thinking about the right solution 19:44:50 I guess there's a simple fix 19:45:03 There are other chunks of code there that check for actor->is_player(). 19:45:09 er, attacker->is_player() 19:45:12 yes 19:45:20 it is quite a bit of fun to kill monsters by throwing fruit at them. 19:45:20 Simplest fix would be to put one of those in and return 0 if so <_< 19:45:48 well 19:45:48 !send bh eggplants 19:45:48 Sending eggplants to bh. 19:45:48 simplest fix is... 19:45:48 git revert ranged_combat 19:45:48 (compiling) 19:45:52 <_< 19:45:55 >_> 19:46:01 ^_^ 19:46:09 Grunt: speaking of eggplant 19:49:35 bh? 19:50:48 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:51:24 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-297-g9d5d16d: Don't add player throwing skill to monster damage 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d5d16d2908c 19:51:26 hang on... 19:51:26 experiencing some technical difficulty 19:51:26 * Grunt throws eggplants at bh. 19:51:26 * wheals throws crystal spear at Grunt. 19:51:37 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15.0-1-gde91a02: Don't add player throwing skill to monster damage 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=de91a0227881 19:51:37 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15.0-2-gd176ec0: Don't make monsters 'flee' seemingly at random (7645) 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d176ec07ee3a 19:51:42 btw there is one place in the game where eggplants don't indicate an error 19:51:45 unless I removed it 19:51:54 * Grunt throws iron shot at wheals. 19:52:02 * wheals hears the distant roaring of an enraged eggplant. 19:52:06 ,3 19:52:08 <3 19:54:27 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:56:43 Grunt: and another thing, I didn't have blog access 19:56:43 * bh catches the eggplant! http://s24.postimg.org/vejfzie6c/IMG_20140828_204507092_HDR.jpg 19:56:45 So I couldn't make the release statement 19:56:48 anyhow 19:56:49 so there 19:57:15 bh: <3 19:57:26 !blame gammafunk 19:57:26 I pronounce gammafunk... Guilty! 19:57:29 * gammafunk mumbles about how bad an idea mass fireball was 19:57:40 wait, was mass fireball a serious suggestion 19:57:43 gammafunk: delayed mass fireball, otoh 19:57:48 PleasingFungus: serious suggestion?!?!?! 19:57:53 PleasingFungus, it was a PATCH 19:57:56 by GRUNT 19:58:01 PleasingFungus: Mass Fireball was my attempt to justify the original implementation of Glaciate, really <_< 19:58:04 whaaa 19:58:06 whaaaaaa 19:58:08 whaaaaaaaa 19:58:11 now you see 19:58:13 I basically said, "if we want a spell like this, it should turn into this". 19:58:20 this was the multi-beam version, right? 19:58:23 Yes. 19:58:53 Man, we could make an awesome unique that is a hasted exec that can show up and give other monsters crazy spells 19:58:58 grunt unique for april 1st 19:59:11 gammafunk: Summon Vault 19:59:13 gammafunk: that is all 19:59:16 haha 19:59:20 summon profane_halls 19:59:24 a mass spell like orb of destruction would be fun 19:59:29 bh: Orb Burst 19:59:33 !send bh the orb card 19:59:34 Sending the orb card to bh. 19:59:39 bh: level 9 pure conjuration 19:59:41 who was it who died to double orb burst? 19:59:46 me, and many others 19:59:48 that was the best tv 19:59:56 !lg * ckaux~~orb_of_des max=tdam x=tdam 19:59:56 I think I was thinking of you; I remembered it being a dev 19:59:58 1754. [tdam=219] jeanjacques the Bringer of Life (L23 HOWn of Elyvilon), blown up by Boris on Crypt:2 on 2013-05-12 23:46:05, with 389359 points after 42846 turns and 3:45:43. 20:00:01 !lg * ckaux~~orb_of_des max=tdam x=tdam -2 20:00:02 1753/1754. [tdam=176] killington21 the Infernalist (L27 DrFE of Vehumet), blown up by ancient lich on Zot:5 on 2013-05-14 02:03:05, with 640732 points after 110243 turns and 10:37:31. 20:00:02 something like searing ray that just keeps shooting orbs of destruction 20:00:04 !lg * ckaux~~orb_of_des max=tdam x=tdam -3 20:00:06 1752/1754. [tdam=171] Surr the Black Belt (L20 OpHu of Okawaru), blown up by Boris on Crypt:5 on 2011-09-19 09:33:17, with 224740 points after 54881 turns and 3:23:30. 20:00:11 was trying to exact revenge against agnes, who had just killed a previous promising optm 20:00:14 I really showed her 20:00:15 blown up by ancient lich 20:00:15 !lg * ckaux~~orb_of_des ckiller=you max=tdam x=tdam 20:00:16 40. [tdam=147] BountyHunterSUx the Heavyweight Champion (L27 TrFi of Nemelex Xobeh), blew themself up in Pandemonium on 2013-02-20 05:07:17, with 1234933 points after 147704 turns and 17:57:22. 20:00:16 !lg * ckaux~~orb_of_des ckiller=self 20:00:17 No games for * (ckaux~~orb_of_des ckiller=self). 20:00:22 !lg * ckaux~~orb_of_des ckiller=you max=tdam x=tdam -tv 20:00:23 40. BountyHunterSUx, XL27 TrFi, T:147704 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 20:00:25 ??ahmed 20:00:25 I don't have a page labeled ahmed in my learndb. 20:00:28 ?ahmed 20:00:31 ?/ahmed 20:00:31 No matches. 20:00:36 ah, that troll alt of BHS 20:00:52 that guy also did a nem shuffle troll 20:00:55 weird place, cszo is 20:01:10 shuffletroll <3 20:01:23 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:01:23 well wasn't a troll alt actually, just someone trying to troll BHS 20:01:23 shuffle trollfle 20:01:28 Grunt: "your blink will be uncontrolled - continue anyway?" I added that!!! 20:01:34 feelin good 20:01:36 PleasingFungus: this isn't my TV 20:01:39 o 20:01:47 that would explain why it's unrelated to conversation 20:01:47 gamma: are you going to implement /ignore? 20:01:53 /ignore bh 20:02:03 aaaagh it's hugeterm 20:02:06 bh: if i do that, I'll be functionally banned from cszo the same day, most likely 20:02:06 or uh 20:02:08 no 20:02:10 it's inverted term 20:02:12 wtf 20:02:12 PleasingFungus: australiaterm 20:02:19 this is disgusting. 20:02:21 I am disgusted. 20:02:21 sandman25term 20:02:27 but australia has no crawl servers!? 20:02:36 but we have not solid plan for tiles chat admin beyond a lot of JS stuff 20:02:42 and even that is a lot of work 20:02:55 it would be nice if someone made an oceania crawl server. we get a lot of requests 20:03:02 KABOOM 20:03:04 mmmm. 20:03:06 good. 20:03:12 m-m-m-multikaboom! 20:03:13 hrm, it would, although with ckr and jp servers, is there much of a need? 20:03:27 PleasingFungus: we had csn at one point 20:03:28 they're still pretty far away from each other! 20:03:32 -!- ayutzia has quit [Client Quit] 20:03:38 yeah, not sure how many aussie players we have 20:03:42 I know of only one 20:03:48 the carrot that is vengeful 20:04:03 and I have no idea how the routing is set up there - that sort of thing can be counterintuitive 20:04:13 of course many are probably playing on clan or something 20:04:21 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:04:23 reading something about two neighboring south american countries that have better pings to the US than to each-other... 20:04:30 heh 20:04:31 !route PleasingFungus 20:04:37 * PleasingFungus is lost! 20:04:44 !reroute PleasingFungus 20:04:49 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:28 is anyone feeling ambitious to take on something big in 0.16? 20:05:32 yeah, it's about 5000 miles from aus to korea, as the bird flies 20:05:35 !send gammafunk ambition 20:05:36 Sending ambition to gammafunk. 20:05:36 similar to japan 20:05:40 man, I need that 20:05:49 gammafunk: thinking of anything in particular? 20:05:52 !send gammafunk big projects 20:05:52 Sending big projects to gammafunk. 20:05:59 I still want to do something with strategicifying items... 20:06:00 no I worded that poorly, I'm asking if anyone else is basically 20:06:20 strategic items & tranmutations reform are my two big ambitious plans 20:06:32 the latter being more likely than the former, I think 20:06:43 !send PleasingFungus formreform 20:06:43 Sending formreform to PleasingFungus. 20:06:52 hrm, is that a case-by-case thing? 20:06:55 transmutations reform I mean 20:06:56 which? 20:06:58 oh 20:07:25 oh, I have some vague notion of doing a big revamp of the school, similar to how summonings were revamped in 0.14 and conjurations were in... 0.12? 20:07:27 necromut could def. use a general redesign, with a possible fallback to just making it more easier to cast 20:07:45 yeah, one thing I'd say is that transmut are in a much better state than summons were 20:07:50 there is a chance i may do demigods in 0.16 20:07:52 in that a lot of trans do work nicely 20:08:07 -!- rchandra1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:23 -!- rchandra1 is now known as rchandra 20:08:29 ?/dating 20:08:29 Matching entries (2): djanatyn[6]: you should be updating your prior distribution according to bayesian statistics | minmay[15]: yeah. getting greaterdemigod felt like i was dating anna kendrick with the knowledge that a dev is going to murder her someday 20:08:33 ^ 20:08:41 dform is not terribly good unless you want to invest in transloc/phase or can otherwise fix your ev, but statue is at least a lot better 20:08:53 I think we have proven that statue form is now good :) 20:08:56 !hs * op 20:08:57 138212. magicpoints the Petrodigitator (L27 OpAs of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-08-28 07:02:22, with 37179957 points after 39341 turns and 10:25:53. 20:09:06 clearly it's 20:09:07 oh heh, she could have gotten that with old statue :) 20:09:09 !glasses 20:09:09 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 20:09:11 ... 20:09:13 ...... 20:09:15 op 20:09:19 * gammafunk claps 20:09:22 both statue and dragon got their ev improved in 0.15! 20:09:35 oh, how was dform changed ev-wise? 20:09:39 less of a penalty? 20:09:40 it went down a size 20:09:49 since giant or huge was removed. one of them 20:09:49 SZ_HUGE -> SZ_GIANT 20:10:17 but it still gives an ev penalty beyond the size change, no? 20:10:22 or was that always only from the size change 20:10:40 don't think so, it's just that the size penalty is pretty big 20:10:40 -!- lrvs has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:10:51 (but not SZ_BIG, that's pretty small) 20:11:10 my concern about it is that it's probably always optimal to use phase with it, but that actually might be more a problem with phase in general 20:11:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:51 spider is still good to use, but it does seem a bit boring now; necromute seems the only one with major design problems 20:11:51 ? 20:11:57 it's not as though they cross-train 20:12:07 sorry, they being? 20:12:12 phase shift & dragon form 20:12:25 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:12:37 no yeah, I mean that since you have bad EV, you are very compelled to learn that spell to get 30/30 defenses 20:13:03 and the transmutations suffer in general from 'cast a lot of buffs with this' 20:13:31 but perhaps that's because our charms are just so problematic 20:13:33 -!- Anticipation has quit [Client Quit] 20:13:42 as in, it's really not the transmuation school's fault 20:14:09 problematic.... 20:14:21 yeah idk that there's anything special about the phase shift / dragon form interaction 20:14:35 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:40 fr: phase dragons 20:14:52 my DrMo would cast ozo+phase every time the fight looked the least bit scary to have good defenses 20:14:55 dimensional anchor breath 20:15:01 with was with old rmsl and swift 20:15:05 so it got very silly 20:15:12 in terms of status lights 20:15:14 what makes dragon form special in that regard, though? 20:15:36 all I'm saying is that the transmuations tend to nerf your defenses in various ways, and we have easilly available spells to fix those nerfs 20:15:59 so it because this routine of cast 4 spells to get good defenses to go with your very good offense 20:16:18 in crate voice: "defense don't get worse if you have more of them..." 20:16:23 defenses 20:16:37 actually idk why I'm arguing this 20:16:38 eh 20:16:45 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16:46 here is another thing I am thinking about 20:16:56 the new font for offline tiles item quantities 20:17:01 !send PleasingFungus ponderinghat 20:17:01 Sending ponderinghat to PleasingFungus. 20:17:10 it is a nice font but I think it should probably be reverted 20:17:53 since it is very small 20:18:06 and can't be eyeballed nearly as easily as the old one 20:18:24 and the advantage of it (displaying four-digit item quantities) is not a real need that exists 20:19:00 CAO and CSZO are calling 0.15 beta, will that fix on their next update or does |gemstone need to be poked? 20:19:51 -!- Anticipation has quit [Client Quit] 20:20:06 this is something I'd want to talk to |amethyst about, though 20:21:26 rchandra: yeah, |amethyst needs to edit the DGL menu I think 20:22:07 -!- sd1989 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:43 PleasingFungus: i could also try making a clearer one 20:22:43 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:22:56 it's a perfectly clear font, it's very nice 20:22:58 !messages 20:22:58 (1/1) Bloax said (9h 25m 15s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/nado.png 20:22:59 it's just much smaller 20:23:13 since it needs to be, to fit four characters in the space that three previously took up 20:23:22 but I don't think that's a worthwhile tradeoff! 20:23:37 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:23:58 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:24:20 mm 20:26:00 <|amethyst> rchandra: Hopefully I'll get some time to do that tomorrow morning before the tournament 20:26:21 -!- Alumjha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:27:33 mp can never go negative without wizmode nonsense, right? 20:27:51 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:28:11 overflow maybe? 20:28:20 aight 20:28:21 good enough 20:28:27 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:33 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:34 I mean, there's the 128 mp bug, but... 20:28:44 .t 20:28:45 No games for * (!won !boring t (tiles || !@hugeterm) ntv=0 xl>15). 20:28:48 oops 20:28:50 !time 20:28:50 Time: Aug 29, 2014, 01:28:50 AM, UTC. The 2014 0.15 tournament starts in 18 hours, 31 minutes and 9 seconds. 20:29:20 <|amethyst> but you're asking because you want to unmarshall as a ubyte, in which case you'd *want* that -128 to be loaded as +128 20:29:26 yep! 20:29:33 <|amethyst> there could be bugs that push it negative 20:29:53 <|amethyst> I would consider adding an assert when marshalling 20:30:49 <|amethyst> that way we'll hear about it from the crash logs, rather than from the whistleblower on the new infinite-MP bug :) 20:30:51 is ASSERT_RANGE open or closed? 20:31:00 <|amethyst> clopen 20:31:13 <|amethyst> it's closed at the bottom, open at the top 20:31:15 |amethyst: 'osed 20:31:21 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:21 <_< 20:31:30 aight 20:31:30 : [) 20:31:59 i guess that turned out as a worse smiley than i was hoping 20:32:05 <|amethyst> (yes, I know "clopen" has a technical meaning that is not that, but why should topologists have all the fun?) 20:32:22 <|amethyst> wheals: nice Fu Manchu 20:35:05 it turns out to be really hard to get a character with 135 max mp to 0 mp, since it regens so fast 20:35:12 in retrospect, I should've spawned an eye of draining 20:35:18 instead of casting shatter repeatedly 20:35:26 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 20:35:29 * Grunt stares at PleasingFungus. 20:35:32 it turns out to be really hard to get a character with 135 max mp.... 20:35:37 efh 20:35:38 *feh 20:35:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:36:14 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-298-gaf1c665: Don't make huge MP values wrap to negative on load (5781) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=af1c66565f39 20:37:49 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 20:37:53 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:37:58 !send PleasingFungus huge MP 20:37:59 Sending huge MP to PleasingFungus. 20:39:12 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:41:13 |amethyst, what's your opinion about inventory item digit fonts? 20:42:07 <|amethyst> I think at desktop resolutions my new ones might be a little more readable, because they're heavier weight (ontoclasm seemed to think so) 20:42:30 huh 20:42:39 <|amethyst> but I haven't looked at them on something really hi res 20:42:48 my monitor is stupid huge 20:42:53 <|amethyst> so it might be terrible on a phone 20:42:55 well 20:43:02 phones probably require an entirely different ui anyway 20:43:06 if we want to do things right 20:43:27 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 20:43:37 <|amethyst> anyway, it wouldn't be unreasonable to use two fonts, one when you need four digits 20:43:54 <|amethyst> Just showing '999' when the number is higher is a little misleading though 20:44:02 <|amethyst> 999+ would be fine probably 20:44:03 1k+? 20:44:04 my personal alternative was showing "1k+" 20:44:07 ... 20:44:12 "my" 20:44:15 thief 20:44:16 and I can't even glaciate him, since he has an exemption 20:44:22 s/glaciate/banish 20:44:24 !glaciate wheals 20:44:24 PleasingFungus gestures. PleasingFungus conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs wheals! 20:44:30 mm 20:44:54 lotta glaciating going on recently 20:45:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:08 I'm holding off on renaming undead state enums until I decide whether the undead state system needs to exist. 20:45:14 !singularity !glaciate 20:45:14 Grunt mumbles some strange words. The singularity violently warps !glaciate! 20:45:25 !rebase !singularity 20:45:25 PleasingFungus rebases !singularity. !singularity is banished to the reflog! 20:45:29 !tell Basil singularity when 20:45:29 Grunt: OK, I'll let basil know. 20:45:37 speaking of which, you should change beam.cc to be good 20:45:48 !send beam.cc PleasingFungus 20:45:48 Sending PleasingFungus to beam.cc. 20:45:51 and not awful 20:45:54 as the creator of feature_def, I leave this matter in your ample hands, wheals. 20:46:00 you are proven. you are a creator. 20:46:09 1learn add wheals 20:46:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: discussion of the digits is at https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8821 20:47:05 but i have so many plansss 20:47:12 ah, I remember that. didn't recall ontoclasm's comment. 20:47:18 ??pleasingfungus[3 20:47:18 pleasingfungus[3/11]: Currently: transmutation reform (irradiate, mimic form, code -> data). Full TODO (arranged in order of most to least likely): https://www.dropbox.com/s/cds3nzv7rshm5u3/annuv.rtf 20:47:21 like, make elemental-coloured status lights possible 20:47:30 wheals: nooooooooooooooooo 20:47:47 and remove more files 20:47:49 wait 20:47:51 <|amethyst> so yall's "1k+" suggestions are clearly infringements of my "≥1K" intellectual property 20:48:00 Does this mean we could make der blinkenstatuslights? 20:48:02 <_< 20:48:14 I thought of it first! 20:48:16 Garden of coloured status lights 20:48:20 I actually tried to implement it 20:48:21 then it turned out to be hard 20:48:27 then you made your solution while I was working on mine 20:48:40 !learn add devteam I actually tried to implement it then it turned out to be hard 20:48:40 devteam[18/18]: I actually tried to implement it then it turned out to be hard 20:48:54 clear infringment of the marvinpa entry 20:49:05 which, tbh, is never far from my mind when talking about these things 20:49:16 not talking to me surely, i never do anything that turns out to be hard 20:49:24 <|amethyst> ??devteam[intellectual 20:49:24 devteam[15/18]: They rather get their substitute for intellectual satisfaction from not quite understanding what they are doing in their daring irresponsibility and from the subsequent excitement of chasing the bugs they should not have introduced in the first place. –E. Dijkstra 20:49:31 the best one 20:49:32 hm 20:49:37 i guess i should make instant multidrop an implementable 20:49:43 !rng star_wars god_wrath 20:49:43 The RNG chooses: god_wrath. 20:49:46 FINE 20:49:50 ??devteam[literally 20:49:50 devteam[6/18]: sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up 20:49:58 <3 20:50:12 my life philosophy 20:50:13 ??literally[then gave up 20:50:13 I don't have a page labeled literally[then gave up in my learndb. 20:50:39 <|amethyst> the "<3" combination in ascii never really looked like a heart to me. It's more like a butt in an ice cream cone 20:50:53 !learn add literally see {devteam[6]} 20:50:53 <|amethyst> maybe I need a different font 20:50:54 literally[11/11]: see {devteam[6]} 20:50:56 ??literally[$ 20:50:57 devteam[6/18]: sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up 20:50:58 there 20:51:02 you're more like a butt in an ice-cream cone!!!! 20:51:03 :( 20:51:14 ice cream in a butt-cone 20:51:15 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51:33 💔 20:51:42 <|amethyst> ♥ 20:51:45 ...💖 20:51:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:52:10 I have no idea how many people in this channel have clients that actually render unicode emoji 20:52:16 ??literally[$ 20:52:16 devteam[6/18]: sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up 20:52:22 aren't there any others 20:52:24 This is a much more interesting conversation than ##crawl right now 20:52:24 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:34 <|amethyst> ??literally[10] 20:52:34 literally[10/11]: is that literally the entirety of Macbeth 20:52:35 HoneyLocust: high bars! 20:52:37 HoneyLocust: we're devs; we're always interesting 20:52:39 <_< 20:52:46 <|amethyst> ??literally[9] 20:52:47 literally[9/11]: dungeon sprint is literally unplayable 20:52:50 ??tragedy 20:52:50 tragedy[1/6]: !lm xenene febe br.enter=lab 2 -tv:>$:channel=tragedytv 20:52:51 hm 20:52:56 <|amethyst> I don't see what's wrong with [10] 20:53:10 <|amethyst> it seems perfectly cromulent even by pedant standards 20:53:12 |amethyst: nothing's wrong with it, it's a reference to a funny thing 20:53:16 <|amethyst> ah 20:53:33 <|amethyst> ??shakespeare 20:53:34 macbeth[1/1]: 1. whog, XL1 KoHe, T:0: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/whog/morgue-whog-20100813-185722.txt 20:53:38 so great 20:55:04 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:55:23 not the entirety, anyway 20:55:58 feh 20:57:27 <|amethyst> !learn add marlowe see {macbeth} 20:57:27 marlowe[1/1]: see {macbeth} 20:57:33 <|amethyst> conspiracy theories! 20:59:07 booo 21:00:55 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:03 -!- Alark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:03:40 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 21:03:56 FR: Corr displays Slaying malus beside Wpn: 21:05:06 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:05:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:39 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:11 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:33 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:13:34 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:16:56 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:48 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:22:13 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:23:05 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:24:51 -!- Kramin42 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:53 -!- Kramin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:04 -!- Kramin_ has left ##crawl-dev 21:25:53 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:26:14 hm. spl-miscast.cc claims octopodes have beaks, but octopodes can also get "Your mouth lengthens and hardens into a beak!" from mutations. my verisimilitude! 21:26:16 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:26:50 they don't get beak aux attacks do they? 21:27:09 <|amethyst> read: not without the mut, no 21:27:11 perhaps their beaks are small, weak and mouth-like 21:27:14 PleasingFungus: "Your beak legthens and hardens into a better beak!" 21:27:26 yesss 21:27:29 <|amethyst> You feel beakier 21:27:32 better. faster. beakier. 21:27:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalopod_beak 21:28:14 aaaa 21:29:01 ya they're cool 21:29:01 -!- its_jenna has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:01 it is kind of pincer like 21:29:12 neat 21:29:38 is there a sequell keyword for excluding games which ended in a crash? 21:29:46 !abyssturns grunt 21:29:48 grunt : Shortest abyss trip: -88058 turns, Longest abyss trip: 102531 turns, Average abyss trip: 1070 turns. 21:29:50 <|amethyst> crashes don't end games 21:30:02 <|amethyst> you could do "games that never ended" probably 21:30:08 <|amethyst> !lm * lg:ktype= 21:30:17 176870. [2014-08-29 02:29:56] boatmurder the Hoplite (L10 MiFi of Okawaru) fell down a shaft to D:12 on turn 9793. (D:9) 21:30:19 I have that already 21:30:28 the original implementation of op had MUT_BEAK 21:32:11 !lm sgrunt abyss.enter cbro !ak s=cv 21:32:12 17 milestones for sgrunt (abyss.enter cbro !ak): 12x 0.14-a, 5x 0.15-a 21:32:16 !lm sgrunt abyss.exit cbro !ak s=cv 21:32:16 12 milestones for sgrunt (abyss.exit cbro !ak): 8x 0.14-a, 4x 0.15-a 21:32:23 !lg sgrunt abyss cbro !ak s=cv 21:32:23 4 games for sgrunt (abyss cbro !ak): 3x 0.14-a, 0.15-a 21:32:32 3+8 != 12 21:32:51 !lm sgrunt abyss.enter cbro !ak ktype!= s=cv 21:32:52 17 milestones for sgrunt (abyss.enter cbro !ak ktype!=): 12x 0.14-a, 5x 0.15-a 21:33:12 still 12 21:33:36 !lm sgrunt abyss crash 21:33:37 2. [2014-01-17 04:34:47] SGrunt the Sharpshooter (L20 KoHu of Dithmenos) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3288: Invalid item: crossbow (Abyss:1) 21:33:49 !lm sgrunt abyss crash x=gid 21:33:50 2. [2014-01-17 04:34:47] [game_key=SGrunt:cbro:20140016202952S] SGrunt the Sharpshooter (L20 KoHu of Dithmenos) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3288: Invalid item: crossbow (Abyss:1) 21:33:50 Kramin42: please stop pinging me >:( 21:33:55 sorry 21:34:07 does the 's' not stop that 21:34:18 No, it does not. 21:34:31 oh, hmm 21:35:22 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:35:54 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:36:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:45 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:35 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 21:43:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:26 -!- Kramin42 is now known as Kramin 21:51:19 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Client Quit] 21:51:24 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:53:42 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:54:09 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:22 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:21 -!- Anticipation has quit [Client Quit] 21:59:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:04:01 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:50 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:05:00 g.runt 22:07:21 g.amma.f.unk 22:07:48 !help !abyssturns 22:07:48 !abyssturns: Could be incorrect if you have crashes in abyss, play multiple games simultaneously, or are a dev 22:08:12 fixed enough 22:08:16 -!- dizzy__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:39 heh 22:08:41 !abyssturns 22:08:43 PleasingFungus has 67 round trips to the Abyss, Shortest abyss trip: 10 turns, Longest abyss trip: 5059 turns, Average abyss trip: 1237 turns. 22:08:47 huh 22:08:49 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:08:50 huh 22:08:52 !abyssturns 22:08:52 nice cammand 22:08:54 Grunt has 55 round trips to the Abyss, Shortest abyss trip: -88058 turns, Longest abyss trip: 102531 turns, Average abyss trip: 1070 turns. 22:08:56 !abyssturns 22:08:56 AK, probably 22:08:58 gammafunk has 46 round trips to the Abyss, Shortest abyss trip: 0 turns, Longest abyss trip: 5461 turns, Average abyss trip: 1101 turns. 22:09:07 1.1k, doin good 22:09:15 oh, beaten by sg.runt 22:09:16 dang 22:09:19 o/ 22:09:20 er 22:09:29 no, he has crash which put generated an abyss.enter milestone but then left him outside 22:09:36 it's not AK 22:09:44 that is taken care of 22:09:56 aight 22:10:08 how would I query for my 10-turn abyss trip? 22:10:23 how did I have a 0 turn abyss 22:10:34 if you land on a portal 22:10:38 Enter abyss, die same turn? 22:10:40 Oh. 22:10:51 hrm, can't really recall that 22:11:14 I could find your 10 turn trip if you really want it 22:11:27 ??abyss[cquir 22:11:27 abyss[9/9]: This is a scroll of acquirement! What kind of item would you like to acquire? Something appears at your feet! You are suddenly pulled into a different region of the Abyss! 22:11:33 my favorite abyss trip 22:11:35 oh, don't bother, it's quite all right 22:11:39 gammafunk: hahaha, that was you? 22:11:45 nope, wahaha 22:11:50 =abyssturns.tripturns PleasingFungus 22:11:52 1537 198 2379 293 1653 23 56 2606 351 1796 571 306 179 857 2819 604 20 3074 1675 20 376 263 670 124 3232 80 785 2604 205 53 456 3054 2321 310 1130 571 892 274 397 2359 2362 119 3347 843 745 1661 38 358 5059 2144 58 853 1264 4908 569 3052 4123 498 90 10 846 150 3496 22 2059 3040 46 22:11:59 near the end 22:12:02 yeah 22:12:15 =abyssturns.tripturns simmarine 22:12:18 2032 522 264 747 2044 258 6118 773 187 23 39 533 1275 900 1191 265 2213 508 64 2134 1391 664 124 166 1703 898 1440 1302 69 498 1391 77 16 1369 5 1792 626 903 705 126 2764 4223 21 958 62 146 43 1435 4 68 466 338 119 215 0 1384 122 1268 1627 132 536 2529 21 85 138 65 276 125 1387 677 5 1402 25 20 346 1947 6 37 22 270 47 181 25 10 5 71 31 49 24 861 67 376 805 82 374 930 1743 320 1293 228 314 1927 353... 22:12:27 5 22:12:31 i have a 1 22:12:36 and a 0 22:12:40 oh yeah 22:12:41 i think thats just xom 22:12:45 guess it's not terribly uncommon 22:12:46 <3 xom 22:12:49 oh rightttt 22:12:53 yeah he does that doesn't he 22:12:58 ??abyss guide[$ 22:12:58 abyss guide[3/3]: !lm simm hacj abyss.enter 3 -tv:<0.25 22:13:00 theres the 1 though 22:13:03 no, landing on a portal means you exit the same turn 22:13:09 so it could be xom 22:13:13 oh ok 22:13:16 but it doesn't have to be 22:13:17 hmm 22:13:25 well xom has done that to me, but I don't recall ever landing on a portal 22:13:29 so it's probably xom for me 22:13:39 i dont see my 1 in pm 22:13:58 lowest i see is actually 4 22:14:04 (besides 0) 22:14:35 you sure? 22:15:00 yes 22:15:00 you sure you have a 1? 22:15:00 in abyss guide[3], i just press b> and im out 22:15:00 watch the tv if you want :P 22:15:20 ??abyss guide[3 22:15:20 abyss guide[3/3]: !lm simm hacj abyss.enter 3 -tv:<0.25 22:15:30 !nick simm 22:15:31 Mapping simm => simmarine simm hypersimm 22:15:51 !lm simm hacj abyss.enter 3 x=name 22:15:52 3/4. [2013-05-16 05:36:47] [name=simm] simm the Anemomancer (L27 HaCj of Vehumet) is cast into the Abyss! (yellow draconian shifter) (Zot:2) 22:16:40 What's a nasty thing to zombify that comes from, say, d:10 or so? 22:17:04 Writing up yred wrath descriptions 22:17:10 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:33 well I guess an ugly thing zombie might be bad 22:17:48 hill giant zombie I guess 22:17:54 hydra? 22:18:09 hm 22:18:32 !lg 0.15-a ikiller=hydra_zombie 22:18:33 No games for gammafunk (0.15-a ikiller=hydra_zombie). 22:18:36 !lg * 0.15-a ikiller=hydra_zombie 22:18:36 No games for * (0.15-a ikiller=hydra_zombie). 22:18:43 !lg * 0.15-a ckiller=hydra_zombie 22:18:43 56. PanicAtNabisco the Slayer (L18 MiFi of Okawaru), slain by an eight-headed hydra zombie on Swamp:5 (swamp_pestilence) on 2014-08-26 09:48:54, with 232662 points after 35016 turns and 3:10:37. 22:18:55 !lg * 0.15-a ckiller=hydra_zombie br=D min=lvl 22:18:55 52. Fidget98160 the Skirmisher (L3 MuFi), slain by a seven-headed hydra zombie on D:1 on 2014-04-03 22:15:22, with 85 points after 7743 turns and 0:06:55. 22:19:00 oh right 22:19:09 !lg * 0.15-a ckiller=hydra_zombie br=D lvl=10 22:19:10 6. tcjsavannah the Cloud Mage (L11 NaAE of Cheibriados), slain by a six-headed hydra zombie on D:10 on 2014-07-30 01:11:15, with 7734 points after 10412 turns and 1:15:21. 22:19:20 well you can get hyrda zombies on d:10 22:19:27 !lg * 0.15-a ckiller=hydra br=D lvl=10 22:19:27 60. letownia the Slicer (L11 KoBe of Trog), mangled by a 15-headed hydra on D:10 on 2014-08-25 08:45:51, with 6949 points after 9067 turns and 0:42:17. 22:19:34 nice 22:20:09 not enough slicing 22:20:11 or perhaps 22:20:12 too much? 22:20:16 !lg * 0.15-a ckiller=hydra br=D lvl=10 s=ikiller 22:20:16 60 games for * (0.15-a ckiller=hydra br=D lvl=10): 11x a six-headed hydra, 11x an eight-headed hydra, 8x a four-headed hydra, 8x a five-headed hydra, 6x a seven-headed hydra, 5x a 11-headed hydra, 3x a three-headed hydra, 3x a nine-headed hydra, 2x a ten-headed hydra, a 12-headed hydra, a 15-headed hydra, a 13-headed hydra 22:20:31 iirc I looked that one up and it started with like six heads 22:20:36 too much slicing. 22:20:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: ProzacElf] 22:20:47 people taking d:10 to be a hydra tutorial, basically 22:21:17 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 22:21:26 -!- wheals_ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:21:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:53 hm. I wonder whether I can/should say something about the relationship between wrath & xp gain in these wrath descriptions. 22:26:07 PleasingFungus: {wrath} does explain that part 22:26:13 fwiw 22:26:18 {wrath}? 22:26:21 ??wrath 22:26:22 penance[1/3]: With every god (not just yours), you have a penance number, which can be increased for long-term punishment. For every 1% of an XL you gain, there's a 10% chance of any particular god angry at you attempting divine retribution in the next 200 aut (on average); you then lose 1d3 points of penance for that god. 22:26:22 oh you mean in sequell? 22:26:26 no I'm talking about 22:26:27 in-game 22:26:30 oh, sorry. 22:26:37 well, you didn't know! 22:26:39 That seems like a good idea :) 22:28:10 ty! 22:35:29 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:46 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:32 ugh 22:37:35 why do we have so many gods 22:37:38 can't we get rid of a few of these? 22:38:05 !send PleasingFungus Jiyva 22:38:05 Sending Jiyva to PleasingFungus. 22:38:51 Fedhas Madash is dissolved! Jiyva gurgles happily. 22:39:25 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:42:00 we need 27 gods 22:42:14 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:28 add a god of crystals, crawl has hardly any ancient magic crystals compared to the average rpg 22:43:42 huh. kind of weird that sif gives divination miscasts, given that, as far as I can tell, they're exactly the same as sif's explicit wrath effects (int drain, confusion, mp drain) 22:43:44 <|amethyst> Crystalline Rune of Folger 22:46:40 just 9 more to go - b, h, i, j, l, p, r, u, w 22:53:02 -!- InvalidUser has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:54:02 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:39 okay, halfway through the gods 22:54:43 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:54:46 so many gods... 22:55:56 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140825030205]] 22:56:03 too many gods to handle :( 22:56:40 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:57:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:58:51 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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