00:00:31 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:09 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-118-ga2eff36 00:03:10 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-261-g3187ff9 (34) 00:03:59 -!- Dustin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:34 Does anyone know about when David Ploog comes around here? 00:04:58 !seen dpeg 00:04:59 I last saw dpeg at Wed Jul 16 19:36:01 2014 UTC (5w 3d 9h 28m 57s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: leaving'. 00:05:20 Oh wow. A while ago..huh. 00:06:07 Thanks though 00:07:01 I might as well stay and chat though, while I'm here haha. Talk with fellow crawlers :P 00:14:57 If you want to get a hold of dpeg, try e-mailing him; he's fairly responsive there. 00:15:23 Also if you want to talk to Crawlers and not just the devs, try ##crawl :) 00:15:28 -!- Dustin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:16:09 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-261-g3187ff9 (34) 00:16:25 -!- bedkrab is now known as sleepkrob 00:18:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:19:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:05 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:24 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:28:49 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:15 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:33:50 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-261-g3187ff9 00:39:18 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:48:57 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:52:02 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:53:53 !seen gammafunk 00:53:53 I last saw gammafunk at Sun Aug 24 05:40:15 2014 UTC (13m 38s ago) saying '!lm purplered' on ##crawl. 00:54:01 rip gamma-wait 00:55:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55:33 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 00:56:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:57:33 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08:28 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 01:08:29 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Client Quit] 01:10:48 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:12 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:13:24 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:20:16 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:20:58 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:23:14 -!- zkyp has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:36:01 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:38:22 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:04 -!- xlix has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:42:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:02 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:46:46 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:15 so why do wanderers start with one weapon and skill in another weapon anyway 01:48:12 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:48:15 because they lost their other weapon 01:48:22 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:48:47 it was a great sword of speed btw 01:48:53 but they lost it 01:49:13 good luck finding it back 01:52:24 Black floor tiles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8898 by nubinia 02:00:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:04 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:33 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:12 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:11:47 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:59 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:16:27 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:17:12 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:22 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-118-ga2eff36 02:17:31 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:18:29 -!- hackum is now known as hackum1 02:20:24 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:20:34 -!- rast- is now known as rast 02:20:45 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22:50 Tomb layout: error in stairs generation, impossible to reach Tomb 3 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 by starless 02:24:14 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:41 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-261-g3187ff9 (34) 02:25:40 -!- hackum1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:31:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:34:19 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:29 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:33 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:37:39 -!- rast--- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:41 -!- rast--- is now known as rast 02:37:41 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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09:43:26 they can't access a game in progress, no 09:44:03 save out, make backup, then you can play on and they can work from the backup 09:44:54 I doubt a save backup is needed for this bug though since it sounds like it should be easy to reproduce unless something very strange is going on 09:45:39 yeah that's what i suspect as well, haven't tried to reproduce it though 09:48:07 well I just glanced at the code and it is obvious why it doesn't work :) 09:49:00 let me guess: interacting between ash skill bonus and crosstraining was just not taken into account? ^^ 09:49:32 yeah, it just computes the crosstraining bonus and then later in the function it throws that away and uses the ash skill boost instead... 09:50:42 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:52:24 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:52:47 on another note, the current way how crosstraining works seems a bit too good to me, i can get basically 2 skills for the price of training only the one with the worse aptitude 09:53:16 since the crosstraining bonus was increased to 40% 09:54:02 that's sort of the point of crosstraining 09:54:07 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:21 it is definitely stronger than old crosstraining in a lot of use-cases 09:54:42 but it is weaker in a few 09:55:12 I might agree that 40% is a bit too high after playing with it a bit but we aren't changing it again before 0.15 release 09:55:21 if that's intended, ok :D 09:56:34 it's supposed to be reviewed at some point, I think, but one can do only so much before release 09:57:06 and unlike new races/gods you can't just tag it trunk-only 09:57:30 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:57:42 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:58:30 all the feedback was that it was quite a bit too weak at 20%, I think... maybe 33% or so would be best, I don't know 09:59:30 -!- siili has quit [Client Quit] 10:07:49 note that instead of getting two skills from the worse apt you could get one for much less with the better one 10:09:06 getting free dagger training with 1-h lblades is pretty strong though 10:09:32 yeah that's what i did this game with halfling 10:10:16 I sort of like giving more incentives to switch weapon types or swap between weapon types, but I don't know whether everyone agrees with me 10:10:17 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:28 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:51 I don't think it's a bad thing, just odd and all change is odd 10:12:20 change is. 10:17:02 is it a bug if a vault warden locks you and your ball lightnings away from him? 10:19:25 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:13 vault wardens are weird in general 10:22:03 well even better is that locked doors aren't locked for anyone but you 10:22:17 I'm pretty sure that's incorrect 10:22:40 I've been locked in with a vault warden several times so that another pack of monsters was left outside 10:22:50 and they stayed there too until the seal went away 10:23:00 <|amethyst> non-friendlies can open sealed doors if they can open doors 10:24:00 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-262-g6fc725f: Don't cheat Ash-skill-boosted chars out of their crosstraining bonus (#8901). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6fc725f290d3 10:24:00 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-119-g7994516: Don't cheat Ash-skill-boosted chars out of their crosstraining bonus (#8901). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7994516ae1ea 10:26:01 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:18 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28:20 -!- rast- is now known as rast 10:29:06 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33:34 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:40:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:40:33 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:55 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:46 -!- Letchik1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:43:10 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:01 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:56:10 -!- Letchik2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:41 It'd be nice if there was a split between console/tiles in the "Fastest Win (Time)" category. 10:57:26 <|amethyst> we could ignore tiles games for the tournament 10:57:53 yeah you're right 10:57:56 nobody good plays tiles 10:58:24 <|amethyst> alternatively, we could exclude console 10:58:56 <|amethyst> Seriously, though, should CKR be excluded from the tournament? 10:59:00 why? 10:59:13 <|amethyst> it's not even listed on crawl.develz.org 10:59:37 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13462 10:59:39 <|amethyst> I just want to take the opportunity to say that I don't like the 'account management' either. The ckr server isn't even listen on the main site, I only found out about it by accident. Pretty much the same when CBRO went online. At least put up a news entry on the main site when a new server goes online. 11:00:10 ckr was originally intended to be somewhat under the radar, iirc? 11:00:15 I don't see any reason to exclude them. 11:00:33 since if they go out of their way to actually partake in an english tournament despite not really being adept at it 11:00:35 <|amethyst> I guess an alternative would be to make the scoring unit a (player, server) pair rather than just the player 11:00:37 then they obviously want to be part of it 11:00:47 <|amethyst> "english tournament" ? 11:01:04 |amethyst: it's like a spelling bee, but instead you're attacked by killer bees made of ascii 11:01:09 well how many languages are the tournament rules available in 11:06:50 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:09:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:33 !diesel 11:10:36 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:49 oops, wrong tab ^^ 11:11:22 hmm... has anyone encountered a regular gameplay crash recently which failed to produce a crashlog? 11:12:10 ontoclasm: you should hurry up and get duvessa in 11:12:19 so that we can actually see what she's wielding 11:12:35 <|amethyst> johnny0: yes; for one thing, it happens when generating the milestone crashes 11:12:39 <|amethyst> johnny0: which server? 11:12:51 i'm not encountering it, i'm just curious 11:13:00 because the crash signal handler uses a ton of unsafe functions 11:13:13 -!- braveplatypus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:15:26 i guess the crash handler works fine for things like signals raised due to divide by zero, assertions, segfault due to a read, etc. 11:16:28 but if the signal is raised due to something like a malloc failure, i'd imagine things blow up pretty fast 11:17:19 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:53 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:52 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:20:27 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:20:38 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:40 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 11:22:38 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:23:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:57 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:24:14 |amethyst: I forget exactly what was said on the topic of CKR being part of tournament in 0.14, but I know the topic came up then too since it wasn't officially announced 11:24:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 11:29:28 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:47 -!- Redz has left ##crawl-dev 11:31:10 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:31:41 my attitude about this personally is that the tourney isn't really any different from the scoring pages 11:32:54 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:34:31 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:51 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:36:00 -!- rast- is now known as rast 11:36:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:57 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:12 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:43 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:22 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:49:47 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:55:32 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:35 ontoclasm: I am a failure at drawing clouds :( 11:57:37 I am sorryu 11:57:46 I think the job... will have to fall to another. 12:01:13 x 12:01:15 xD 12:02:14 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-119-g7994516 12:02:18 ??flash freeze 12:02:18 flash freeze[1/1]: A conjuration on Antaeus in 0.14 and a random chance per {blood saint} {legendary destruction} cast. Needs only line of fire and ignores EV, partially irresistible cold damage, decently hurts. Gives a Frozen status that slows the targets movement for three turns, but also blocks flash freeze being cast on said target. 12:05:41 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-262-g6fc725f (34) 12:08:40 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:59 PleasingFungus: i'll try but clouds are hard 12:11:15 fr freezing cube spell 12:11:35 !send ontoclasm ozocubu's icecubu 12:11:35 Sending ozocubu's icecubu to ontoclasm. 12:11:44 mm 12:11:55 (the joke is that the "ozocubu" is already an ice cube joke) 12:16:26 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:12 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:26 PleasingFungus: damnit now i'll never be able to read "ozocubu" without hearing it in the swedish chef voice 12:21:48 oetza-cyuuuubah 12:22:03 <|amethyst> borg borg borg 12:23:38 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:29:22 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:44 -!- tls9540 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:35:59 sewer vault with innaccessible contents 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8902 by Ashizen 12:37:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 12:38:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:33 -!- CacoS has quit [] 12:45:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:45:51 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:13 hmm 12:46:44 so I've just randomly looked into makeitem.cc, and saw 'itname' in _weapon_colour and _armour_colour, which seems useless at a first glance 12:47:02 I wonder if there's some side effect in item_def::name that I'm not aware of 12:52:21 -!- Kadarus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:39 <|amethyst> Zaba: I think it was just never removed 12:52:44 <|amethyst> it was used in 0.8 12:52:50 ah 12:53:14 <|amethyst> no side effects on the item_def anyway, since it's a const method 12:53:21 ah 12:53:24 missed that part 12:53:38 <|amethyst> could theoretically have global side effects 12:55:50 <|amethyst> hm, solving #8902 would be possible if you used four glyphs for " and four for X 12:56:00 <|amethyst> but maybe subvaulting would be easier 12:58:21 -!- Letchik1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:59:37 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:28 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:02:01 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:41 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-b1-119-g7994516 13:06:52 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:38 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:48 -!- Sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:19:05 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:08 -!- Vidiny has quit [] 13:26:42 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 13:26:54 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:36 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:37:39 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:17 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:54 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 13:51:01 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:03:27 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:03:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:09:10 -!- genghis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09:32 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:09:39 -!- SomeStupidGirl is now known as SomeStupidGuy 14:15:12 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:19:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:56 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:24:24 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:24:35 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:57 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:26:42 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:27:42 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27:57 -!- rast- is now known as rast 14:29:12 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:33:00 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:38:04 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38:50 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:45:20 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:45:34 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:32 has anyone ever looked at putting crawl on steam somehow? 14:48:02 -!- Z_LAMP_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:48:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:48:27 does steam really 'do' free games? 14:48:35 like, properly free, not IAP-supported 14:50:02 dunno 14:50:06 maybe not 14:50:48 -!- ashizen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:53:08 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:08 ontoclasm1: well, steam's library isn't a "system library", and you need to link to it in order to enable any sort of steam-specific functionality 14:57:42 this is a problem when the program's code is licensed under the GPL and copyright of that code isn't held by a single entity 14:58:30 well, a problem or feature depending on how you look at it 15:00:21 tome4 is on steam and claims to be GPL 3.0 15:00:58 we should complain about it imo 15:01:02 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:04:15 it's also being sold for $6.99 15:04:21 well, that's [at least partly] why DG asks that copyright is assigned to him for contributions to tome4 15:05:22 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:12 he owns the copyright for the stuff that he's put the more restrictive license on -- he's free to release the program under another license provided it wouldn't violate some dependency's license 15:08:13 PleasingFungus: I'm pretty sure free games exist on steam. 15:08:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:08:37 they do 15:08:48 portal was temporarily free for a while 15:08:50 twice in fact 15:08:59 and I don't recall it having any dlc or iap 15:09:10 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:09:12 so I'm pretty sure it's supported 15:09:38 i imagine that hard part would be convincing steam to accept a free game :P 15:09:40 there are a bunch of free games on steam like alien swarm and spiral knights 15:10:04 well spiral knights at least is all about IAP 15:10:21 most of those are valve games -- i wonder if there needs to be some sort of ad revenue split or something for third party games 15:10:21 alien swarm i dunno 15:10:43 I'm sire somene can come up with something involving gozag >.> 15:11:48 haha 15:12:08 unlock nude demigoddess player doll - $3.99 15:12:26 ??crawl confessions[3] 15:12:26 crawl confessions[3/9]: Her Crawl iteration actually does use equipment since for some reason this is required for her survival, but her custom tile shows otherwise, as for her to be in character, she must be naked. My Demigoddess tile is specifically without underwear and has a specially long 'cape' for her very long godiva hair entirely for this purpose. 15:12:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12:52 50 piety at just 350 Octopennies 15:13:22 it should be called "sigmund scrip" imo 15:14:42 -!- Miauw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:15:08 mm 15:15:13 grindollars 15:18:09 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:24:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:25:55 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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I've managed to forget my password for CAO. Whats the best way to go about getting it reset? Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. 16:28:00 ##crawl sent me here... 16:28:19 |amethyst: ping 16:29:11 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=187449#p187449 ding ding ding 16:29:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:30:05 I remember noticing that when I was editing the rules 16:30:58 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:00 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:31:28 I probably wouldn't have written it that way but I don't think it needs to be changed 16:31:40 <|amethyst> gammaFactor: email sent 16:32:08 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:32:13 |amethyst: email recieved. Many thanks! 16:32:29 that reminds me 16:32:40 !learn e wheals[2] s/$/, equal-opportunity wizlabs 16:32:41 wheals[2/3]: todo: fix ghost speed, tunneling worms, leeches??, disarming cutlass, remove a kind of fountain, make snorg cast spells, fix monster bugs, make chopping/multidrop single-turn, look at crypt spawns, give xtahua red drac breath (and refactor all the things), cloud status light, noise, acquirement milestone, zigs, equal-opportunity wizlabs 16:33:21 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:33:22 -!- rast- is now known as rast 16:33:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:06 PleasingFungus needs to correct her team's tournament grammar, but doesn't think it needs to be changed. 16:34:08 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:44 password (L11 FoFi) ERROR: range check error (-1 / 80) (D (Sprint)) 16:34:54 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:04 <|amethyst> !lm password sprint crash 16:35:05 1. [2014-08-24 21:34:39] password the Nimbus (L11 FoFi of Fedhas) ERROR: range check error (-1 / 80) (D) 16:35:07 <|amethyst> !lm password sprint crash -log 16:35:07 1. password, XL11 FoFi, T:1865 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/password/crash-password-20140824-213439.txt 16:35:29 Bloax: pleasingfungus has a specific gender; the class of "team tournament captains" does not 16:35:37 (also, it'd be really funny if I was female-identifying right now) 16:35:37 personally i prefer the schizophrenic systme where the author, after he uses masculine, switches to feminine and vice versa when she is writing 16:35:37 -!- morphix0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:35:43 (boy, would you ever have egg on your face!) 16:35:50 wheals: yeah I thought that's what that page was doing, but apparently not? 16:36:13 PleasingFungus: except the guy who's writing this doesn't know what gender PleasingFungus has 16:36:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:17 thus it is of an indefinite gender 16:36:23 just like an indefinite team captain 16:36:30 !source _create_plant 16:36:31 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc;hb=HEAD#l2143 16:36:54 wonder why gdb shows that but not the stacktrace 16:38:11 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:15 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:38:16 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:20 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:22 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 16:38:49 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:39:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 16:39:46 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:01 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:42:11 wheals: maybe something to do with the function being extern vs static 16:44:35 that is the usual reason, yes 16:45:32 <|amethyst> yeah, since it's static it's not in the exported symbol table, which is what the backtrace thing uses 16:45:43 <|amethyst> it doesn't use the debug symbols at all 16:47:00 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:02 <|amethyst> oh wow 16:50:08 <|amethyst> that's a trivial crash to reproduce 16:50:08 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:55 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:51 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:58:39 does it have something to do with the map edge? 16:59:07 <|amethyst> nope 16:59:25 <|amethyst> !source _prompt_amount 16:59:26 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc;hb=HEAD#l2476 17:01:22 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:04:09 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-262-g6fc725f (34) 17:06:00 !lm password sprint crash -tv 17:06:00 1. password, XL11 FoFi, T:1865 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 17:07:22 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-263-g9fbdb5d: Don't let Fedhas worshippers crash at will. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fbdb5d7026b 17:07:23 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-120-gecb1b4f: Don't let Fedhas worshippers crash at will. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ecb1b4f25ed3 17:07:45 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:08:33 nice 17:09:56 best god or what 17:12:30 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:34 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:12:54 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:14:50 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:43 -!- Palyth has quit [*.net *.split] 17:17:18 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:18:13 -!- Philonous has quit [Quit: (<<<)] 17:20:05 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:05 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:10 -!- bcarpe211 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:41 -!- morphix0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:30:29 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:30 !lm gammaF 17:30:31 No milestones for gammaF. 17:30:33 !lm gammafunk 17:30:34 8614. [2014-08-24 22:25:43] gammafunk the Convoker (L19 HESu of Sif Muna) found a dark rune of Zot on turn 25214. (Pan) 17:30:38 oops wrong channel 17:35:33 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:40 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:52 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:46 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43:22 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-264-ge697c9f: Don't displace Fedhas-walkable plants when taking stairs (#5117) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e697c9fcbaec 17:43:23 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-121-ge1e87ec: Don't displace Fedhas-walkable plants when taking stairs (#5117) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1e87ecc66f2 17:44:22 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:53:05 gammaF 18:01:06 gammafunk: I'm used to being able to tab-complete! :( 18:01:22 your impersonator is really messing with my zen, man. 18:01:33 gammafunctor 18:02:13 /nick PleasingFactor 18:03:10 -!- InvalidUser has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:05:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:07:47 lol 18:08:15 after I said I wanted to translate the game into portuguese two people query'd me saying hola and como estas 18:11:47 -!- spedyrf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:12:40 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:04 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 18:15:44 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:32 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:29:11 -!- Cannonbait_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:23 -!- Codrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:09 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:36:10 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:33 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:36:34 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:49 -!- Brannock has quit [Client Quit] 18:40:10 -!- yonaikel has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:15 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43:51 -!- yonaikel has left ##crawl-dev 18:44:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:05 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:21 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:25 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:40 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:10 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 19:09:05 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:09:54 -!- giganticus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:06 SERIOUS BUG ALERT: 19:15:14 asterion can't retaliatory headbutt 19:15:38 severity: block 19:16:34 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:36 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:36 -!- rast- is now known as rast 19:17:47 SERIOUS BUG ALERT: 19:17:54 dowan and duvessa aren't pretty yet 19:17:57 severity: WOW 19:18:17 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:18:41 objection: duvessa is canonically non-pretty?? 19:20:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:31 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:41 are their titles still "sibling of D"? that is a block-level error 19:26:25 -!- gammaFactor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:28:54 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:30:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:57 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 19:32:22 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Client Quit] 19:35:15 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:23 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:24 -!- rast- is now known as rast 19:37:12 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:39:33 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 19:41:01 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 19:41:33 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:43:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:08 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:18 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:57 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 19:48:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:48:59 agile (from potion) increases monster's agility, right? 19:49:06 the Enchantress (13i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 1/28 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, DMsl | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold | XP: 3705 | Sp: dimension anchor, slow, haste, mass confusion, strip resistance, 04esc:invisibility | Sz: little | Int: high. 19:49:06 %??enchantress 19:49:16 the Enchantress (13i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 1/28 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, DMsl | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold | XP: 3705 | Sp: dimension anchor, slow, haste, mass confusion, strip resistance, 04esc:invisibility | Sz: little | Int: high. 19:49:16 %??enchantress perm_ench:agile 19:49:21 Kramin: it's +5 ev 19:49:27 no change here though? 19:49:27 not sure why chei isn't showing it 19:49:52 is it actually working? 19:52:53 chei bug or game bug, not sure. could check in wizmode probably 19:52:59 with the STETHOSCOPE 19:54:01 <|amethyst> it's chei 19:54:07 <|amethyst> or 'monster' rather 19:54:35 <|amethyst> xD shows EV=33 19:54:50 <|amethyst> Chei just goes to the monster_entry 19:57:59 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:33 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:00:10 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:00:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:23 ok 20:02:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:03:31 -!- madjake has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:04:07 what do you think of this: http://pastie.org/9499916 20:04:18 double moved by a zombie 20:04:26 after a 10 aut action 20:04:33 speed 8 zombie 20:04:50 manticore zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 9 | HP: 61-90 | AC/EV: 3/2 | Dam: 22, 11, 11 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(12), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 125 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 20:04:50 %??manticore zombie 20:06:06 ??energy 20:06:06 I don't have a page labeled energy in my learndb. 20:07:28 pretty sure that's normal, i think 20:07:55 yeah, I think it's just very unlikely 20:07:59 yeah 20:08:15 it's certainly right on the edge, would have to look at the actual numbers to be sure 20:08:24 do monsters get a random energy once per 10 aut or per turn? 20:09:01 speed 8 = 12.5 delay 20:09:23 so I guess it could have 12 max energy from the previous turn? 20:09:32 they get +/- 1 per move, so their move energy would be 11-13 20:09:40 (assuming the turn cost rolled 13) 20:10:03 then he could have 23 energy, take one turn, get one more energy and be at 12 20:10:15 and then coinflip of moving 20:10:19 yeah 20:11:02 so the actual delays have to line up perfectly, 13 then 12 then 12 20:11:56 ok, not a bug then 20:12:25 just rarer than your usual speed: 10 double move 20:14:45 -!- Kolbur has left ##crawl-dev 20:21:43 Grunt: not sure if you heard from simmarine or basil but I'm shutting off DorfServer on DBRO during the crawl tourney. 20:22:01 i just mentioned it a couple minutes ago actually, funny timing 20:22:55 Grunt: I can send you your save file so you can play during the tourney (that is, if you plan on blaspheming and playing DF instead of crawl) 20:23:01 ah ok simmarine 20:23:13 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:58 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:28:32 -!- Kramin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:30 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:32 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:34:05 -!- wmbt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:38:33 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:40:01 -!- giganticus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:31 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:55 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 20:42:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:43:45 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 20:45:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:49:55 -!- taotetek has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 20:56:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:45 johnstein: the only thing that's in that savefile is a world, probably, and I don't really need that :) 20:58:48 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:02 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:09 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:01:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:33 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 21:07:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:48 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:28 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 21:17:13 -!- hypertraveller has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:19:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:21:40 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-265-g0834102: Add you.corrosion() to clua. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=08341021b81f 21:22:22 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23:07 -!- sleepkrob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:23:27 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:59 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:49 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-122-g0879496: Add you.corrosion() to clua. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0879496efa06 21:29:02 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:38:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:40:42 -!- madjake has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:43:44 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:44:51 -!- Stoats has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:47:11 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:48:52 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:49:06 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:39 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:44 oh, here's an interesting question. 21:52:02 so song of slaying claims it "temporarily enhances [the caster's] melee skills". 21:52:15 But its slaying bonus actually also affects ranged attacks. 21:52:24 It would be trivial to change this. should it be changed? 21:52:38 (Certainly either the description or the effect should be!) 21:52:39 do rings of slaying affect ranged attacks? 21:52:49 Yes. 21:52:56 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:21 Probably I guess I'd change the status light to something like "mslay" or "sslay" to clarify the difference...? "song"? 21:53:49 what? it says just Slay(n) now 21:53:53 yes 21:54:03 just change the description to "melee and ranged attacks" 21:54:10 do we want to change things like that this close to release? 21:54:15 oh no 21:54:19 I'm thinking about for 0.16 21:54:20 yeah, is there any reason why it shouldn't affect ranged attacks? 21:54:21 ah, okay 21:54:26 given that other slaying does 21:54:32 My concern is that the noise isn't dangerous enough for a ranged-weapons user; referring specifically to the "no noisy on ranged weapons" thing 21:54:38 hm 21:54:40 huh? 21:54:40 %git :/laying 21:54:41 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-b1-28-g171dbaf: Allow autosacrifice on altars and when silenced (minmay) 10(3 weeks ago, 4 files, 10+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=171dbafcf896 21:54:44 how is it that different.. 21:54:51 what does noise have to do with being a ranged weapons user in this case 21:54:55 %git 0bb9f16e3168c8a208292d2eb4cb7fb957905de6 21:54:55 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-113-g0bb9f16: Don't let ranged weapons get Noisy (minmay). 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bb9f16e3168 21:55:03 if you get lots of dudes onscreen you will be overwhelmed whether or not you are an archer 21:55:08 imo 21:55:10 true 21:55:31 isn't that commit just because noisy works only when you melee with the weapon 21:55:31 changing the description is simple & could even be done this close to release :) 21:55:42 maybe? 21:55:42 and has nothing to do with the current question 21:55:50 yes changing the description is good 21:55:53 I thought there was something else going on but my memory is shaky 21:56:21 if I write a patch for my version of SoS and submit it will someone try it in trunk.. 21:56:26 or somewhere 21:56:45 probably someone will try it somewhere sometime 21:56:51 yeah, I'm interested in it 21:56:55 ok 21:57:21 elliptic: its basically "noise scales with slaying bonus, gaining slaying depends on monster HD, but in principle ucapped" 21:57:26 since everyone seems to say: "sos is bad" 21:57:54 it seemed pretty good the last time I used it, but that was on a qazlal char (so noise wasn't an issue) 21:58:41 I agree it doesn't seem very good on normal chars, I'm not sure how easy that is to fix though 21:59:03 transform song of slaying into song of flaying 21:59:04 Well, the idea was that it would be a little better at lower bonuses (since itd be a bit less noisy) so it's actually helping a low-level skald 21:59:48 making noise scale with bonus might help, sure 21:59:59 i think its current noise is 8, my scaling was something like: 1-10 slaying: 1 noise each lvl, 10-15: 2, 15+ 4 22:00:15 and you can only gain up to HD+2 slaying from killing a dude with whatever HD 22:00:26 so you cant rack up huge bonuses on weak dudes 22:00:31 10 slaying is a ton 22:01:01 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 22:01:21 yeah, I might have to adjust the formula for 22:01:23 how high it can go 22:01:27 based on HD 22:01:47 in my experience testing it it seemed rare to get above 7 22:01:55 unless you kill tmons or alichs 22:02:00 (im not sure if it scales with HD now) 22:02:01 Gonna rack up 32 slaying. 22:02:15 if you have that many alichs onscreen you are probably going to die 22:02:25 :p 22:02:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:03:04 Is there an issue with the current formula if noise was handled a bit better like you suggested? 22:03:05 powerful zig + triple xbow of speed + penbolt tech 22:03:05 Tabbing through Orc:$ with 7 slaying seemed plenty good for a level 2 spell. 22:03:21 well, I think on weak dudes like orcs, I'd want a bit less than 7 22:03:23 qoala: you can already tab through orc without 7 slaying, tho 22:03:26 and yea 22:03:29 that too 22:03:49 true, probably bad example, that was the first branch end I consistently hit 7 on. 22:03:49 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:04:28 still, 7 slaying should usually be enough for a level 2 spell? 22:04:34 well I'd move it to 4-5 22:04:40 if it could reach like 10 in practice 22:04:42 and have the nosie scaling 22:04:52 since I think it'd be better 22:04:54 probably 4 22:05:01 the benefit is worse the more you need it 22:05:10 because you'll be less able to stack slaying bonus 22:05:22 well, it's a risk you can take if you want 22:05:43 I think it currently works by the threat level (the scale that colors monsters grey/yellow/red) and I'm not sure switching to HD would be an improvement 22:06:02 I do really like the idea of noise scaling with bonus 22:06:05 I didnt know how it worked 22:06:13 i just figured HD was nice and mathematically simple 22:07:18 TS__: using HD for anything like this actually has some issues 22:07:20 -!- _miek has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:07:22 but there's relatively little in-game visibility on the actual numbers for HD. 22:07:23 What's that? 22:07:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-266-g8f376c1: Fix Song of Slaying description (Internet Kraken) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f376c1b5a09 22:07:30 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-123-g0918319: Fix Song of Slaying description (Internet Kraken) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=091831920a6a 22:07:31 the problem with hd is that it's not visible to the player 22:07:31 yes 22:07:33 i mean we have dazzle that checks HD.. 22:07:36 because monster HD isn't really correlated that precisely with power and isn't visible to player 22:07:44 though maybe thats bad too 22:07:48 I'm not super happy with dazzle & meph (?) either, yeah 22:08:17 wasnt aware it was considered "bad" 22:08:19 but o 22:08:32 checking HD against abstract behind-the-scenes numbers is still better than the player having to know "orc warlords have X HD" 22:08:39 elephant slug was the classic example of this when it existed: 20 or 21 HD, not strong at all 22:08:52 but then you poly it and "hi im a titan" 22:08:56 or old boggarts: 2 HD or something like that, but appears quite late 22:09:01 there's a vague notion that enemies that are Big have more hd 22:09:05 also new boggarts still have low hd? 22:09:11 just not nearly as low 22:09:13 boggart (06g) | Spd: 12 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-28 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(37) | XP: 117 | Sp: shadow creatures, invisibility, blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 22:09:13 %??boggart 22:09:13 well HD is one factor in the HP formula 22:09:14 boggart (06g) | Spd: 12 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-28 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(37) | XP: 117 | Sp: shadow creatures, invisibility, blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 22:09:14 %??boggart 22:09:38 elephant (03Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 52-80 | AC/EV: 8/2 | Dam: 2007(trample), 5 | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | XP: 482 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 22:09:38 %??elephant 22:09:41 spriggan defender (08i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 55-82 | AC/EV: 3/22 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 1487 | Sz: little | Int: high. 22:09:41 %??spriggan defender 22:10:21 well OK I can think of something else to fix the counter 22:10:47 anyway HD isn't the worst thing to use (the worst thing we use is still monster size IMO :P), I'm just not that excited about that - what is wrong precisely with using the threat level? 22:10:53 another thing I sort of dont like it how it goes out when i dont always want it to.. I was thinking something like "you stop killing, it starts going down fast" 22:11:06 or "use MP/turn" 22:11:16 i sort of like MP/turn for all charms but whatever 22:11:20 didn't it use MP/turn originally, but people didn't like that? 22:11:26 I have no idea 22:11:52 i wasnt playing when it was implemented.. Don't see how it is too bad at like 1 MP / 3 turns or something 22:12:02 but maybe if it was much more it'd run out too quick 22:12:36 well there are issues with there being various ways of regaining MP faster than that 22:12:57 sif channel and !magic 22:13:04 and CBoE i suppose 22:13:09 so you'd probably have to combine it with some version of the "go down when you aren't killing things fast enough" 22:13:10 is a problematic one 22:13:22 Yeah, I think that sort of fits better as well 22:13:26 I don't think SoS ever used MP/turn 22:13:46 it used MP/turn in Sil at the very least ;P 22:13:49 It might be awkward at least early on if infusion and SoS interfered with each other like that 22:14:05 yeah, that does sound bad 22:14:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:14:19 I'd often use infusion to help build up the first stacks of SoS in early skald implementations 22:14:20 well yeah but in sil there isn't CBoE 22:14:25 then once MP was out, SoS carried 22:14:27 for instance 22:14:45 you have your few potions of voice or miruvor 22:16:17 but, how high do you think it would be OK for it to go realistically 22:16:29 I was thinking at the upper limit you would have gong-esque noise 22:16:55 but then it might be a bit of a pain to not take your bonus too high by recasting 22:25:17 gong-esque noise is quite a lot of noise 22:25:28 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:25:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:13 yeah, that was back when i thought 22:26:17 you could have like +20 22:26:20 but that is too high really 22:26:36 probably 22:26:37 well, I need to think about what a good formula would be 22:26:51 for noise + counter 22:30:39 -!- causative is now known as halberd 22:30:50 -!- halberd is now known as causative 22:31:37 -!- ruwin has quit [] 22:40:35 hm. what is the fungus form equivalent to a 'hand'? 22:41:30 Hyphae. 22:42:01 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 22:42:58 -!- epsik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:44:42 PF 22:44:45 is there a way to creat 22:44:49 like 10k arrows in wizmode 22:45:03 relatively painlessly 22:45:20 <|amethyst> TS__: &%arrow q:10000 22:45:28 thanks man 22:47:17 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:48:22 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:04 Does berserk affect ranged damage? 22:52:21 you can't fire or throw while berserked, afaik? 22:54:34 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:58:51 dang 23:00:46 I've berserked with a longbow on purpose, long ago 23:00:57 in v:$, after pissing off ely by reading torment to open up proceedings 23:01:23 how'd that go 23:01:32 I survived 23:01:48 not entirely deservedly 23:02:10 I think you could clumsy bash for damage while mighted/berserked back then, tho 23:02:25 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:07:20 50th commit on my transform reform branch :) 23:09:31 :o 23:10:10 transform reform? 23:10:58 -!- giganticus has quit [] 23:16:21 -!- InvalidUser has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:24:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:16 oh, the branch is just code reworks just now. only very minor feature tweaks: necromutated players can memorize spells, players can see the reasons that spells are marked useless in their descriptions, wispform only has acid resistance instead of immunity, fungus form can put on/take off caps... 23:26:19 that sort of thing 23:26:36 I have a million plans for different tmut spells & forms but I've been laying the groundwork first 23:29:47 ok 23:30:09 cool, I like Tm so I'm looking forward to more stuff :) 23:33:46 Ashenzari's gate detection sometimes fails to update the webtiles minimap 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8903 by magicpoints 23:38:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:44:38 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:49:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:54:53 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:55:59 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:28 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:57:33 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]