00:00:38 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-112-g92f6b21 00:02:04 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:03:33 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 00:04:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-254-g9bdfca2 (34) 00:05:03 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:07:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:08:04 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 00:08:12 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:53 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:11:24 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:16:45 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-254-g9bdfca2 (34) 00:17:39 -!- Letchik2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:33:52 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:36:33 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-254-g9bdfca2 00:38:21 -!- Letchik1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:41:04 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:45:51 felids are kind of ridiculous in sprint 00:46:46 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:51:52 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:54:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:00:45 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:17 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:01:56 -!- bedkrab has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:04:55 -!- Sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:04:58 -!- radinms_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:09:33 -!- Shome has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 01:10:02 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:25:26 do they still respawn in some random place 01:25:50 yeah 01:33:43 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:34:02 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:34:42 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:35:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:09 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:44:22 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:51:34 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:48 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:55:21 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:02:03 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:57 -!- giganticus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:45 -!- Letchik1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:57 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:17:17 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-112-g92f6b21 02:18:47 why isn't mapdesc set for milestones 02:19:16 hmmm, i guess it would be an information leak in normal games 02:19:23 maybe 02:19:35 seems like setting it for sprint would be fine though, and helpful 02:21:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:24:34 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-254-g9bdfca2 (34) 02:26:28 doy: yeah, *probably* 02:30:46 -!- eb_ has quit [] 02:37:45 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:44:21 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:36 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:59:55 !messages 02:59:55 No messages for TZer0. 03:08:45 -!- namad7 has quit [] 03:10:55 !lg . sprint 03:10:56 357. doy the Imperceptible (L8 SpAs of Dithmenos), killed by triggering an arrow trap trap in Sprint (Sprint I: "Red Sonja") on 2014-08-23 08:10:29, with 1264 points after 903 turns and 0:09:36. 03:11:18 !lg * killer=~trap_trap 03:11:18 No games for * (killer=~trap_trap). 03:11:33 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11:56 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:12:02 !lg * kaux=~trap_trap 03:12:03 17. Xurdan the Covert (L7 SpAs), killed by triggering an arrow trap trap in Ossuary (ossuary_zaba_two_paths) on 2014-08-22 04:46:27, with 782 points after 4868 turns and 0:21:17. 03:12:17 !lg * kaux=~trap_trap s=cv 03:12:18 17 games for * (kaux=~trap_trap): 14x 0.15-a, 3x 0.16-a 03:12:30 looks like a 0.15 regression, i guess? 03:16:15 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:15 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:20:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:29:27 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:50 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:34:34 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:36:18 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:37:13 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:39 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 03:46:27 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:48:25 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:54:31 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:12 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:58:51 %git 20f1758 03:58:51 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1595-g20f1758: Take the 'trap' out of web traps! 10(9 weeks ago, 7 files, 37+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20f17586caff 03:59:10 !blame PleasingFungus 03:59:10 I pronounce PleasingFungus... 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34.0a1/20140818030205]] 13:34:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:19 the new ruthless efficieny banner sounds fun 13:36:41 how is it tracked? is there a very specific milestone for it? 13:38:44 no, there are two new milestone fields though 13:38:50 potions_used and scrolls_used 13:38:58 Sequell doesn't know about them yet though I think 13:39:05 !lg * x=potions_used 13:39:05 Unknown field: potions_used 13:46:07 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:55 <|amethyst> !lg * pen=200 s=name,char,god 13:50:57 4 games for * (pen=200): Neferu (HOPr (Beogh)), Roarke (MiFi (The Shining One)), MarvinPA (NaIE (Trog)), wheals (HOPr (Beogh)) 13:51:16 -!- rkd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:51:41 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:55:45 pen? 13:55:49 penance 13:55:54 oh ok.ty 13:56:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:57:58 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-259-g9aa467b: Fix launcher/ammo brand interactions involving penetration 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ZZZzzz…] 19:10:53 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:30:12 ??tournament 19:30:12 tournament[1/5]: The 0.15 tournament will run from 20:00 UTC Aug 29 to 20:00 UTC Sep 14. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.15/ 19:30:57 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:53 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:18 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:16 -!- rubinko has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:40:42 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:42:40 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:29 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:48:25 -!- Sky__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:48:31 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:04 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:24 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:00 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140823030201]] 19:59:59 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:00:42 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:02:03 Don't generate runed doors in zigsprint 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8895 by qoala 20:05:29 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:12:13 03qoala02 {doy} 07* 0.16-a0-261-g3187ff9: Don't place runed doors in zigsprint 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3187ff9494d7 20:13:12 doy: not going to cherry-pick? 20:13:30 wheals: Cheibriados is just too fast 20:13:47 hehe 20:14:44 with nausea gone, should the gourmand is_useless_item check care about saprovorous anymore? (itemname.cc:3455) 20:15:29 gourmand is useful for ghouls (who have sapro 3) i know 20:16:36 right, there's a check that explicitly notes that ghouls can always benefit from it, but it's only useless for player_likes_meat 3 and saprovorous 3. 20:17:05 well, sapro 3 is impossible for non-ghouls anyway now 20:17:12 so may as well just get rid of that check 20:17:19 03qoala02 {doy} 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-118-ga2eff36: Don't place runed doors in zigsprint 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2eff36b0167 20:18:08 yeah, I wasn't certain if I was missing something since nausea was removed while I was disappeared. 20:18:40 i wonder if sapro and carnivore should be combined now 20:19:18 who, other than ghouls, still gets sapro innate? 20:19:50 kobolds 20:23:11 not kobolds, strangely 20:23:14 but trolls 20:23:15 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:42 -!- bh is now known as Guest88019 20:24:07 %git 17fcb76 20:24:07 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-772-g17fcb76: Remove Saprovorous from Ko, LO, HO, and Og 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 15+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=17fcb76da48e 20:27:06 I guess the combination of the need to eat and the ability to eat nearly everything did make Trolls the more interesting one 20:40:58 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:32 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:49:36 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:07 How can I help in translating the game? 20:52:53 Ignore saprovorous when checking if gourmand is useless 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8896 by qoala 20:59:28 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59:47 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:10 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:01:03 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:01 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:13:32 !source xom.cc 21:13:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/xom.cc;hb=HEAD 21:14:19 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:15:41 TS__: no, they're either benemuts or "random xom mutations," apparently 21:15:54 yeh was wondering how 21:15:57 someone got Slow move from xom 21:16:05 i figured xom was able to give it 21:16:06 because lol xom 21:18:53 -!- Sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:19:25 i guess it should lose MUTFLAG_BAD 21:20:47 is the abyss bot supposed to save? 21:22:03 ah, i see, yes 21:23:20 Game crashes when trying to leave dungeon with orb 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 by post 21:25:14 looks like the same as #8894? 21:25:34 just offline, so no milestones, so only happens at game end 21:25:41 yeah, although |amethyst seemed to think that one was a felid issue? 21:26:06 no, it happened with hill orcs at least as well 21:26:08 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:26:54 is anyone going to answer pluie: ' How can I help in translating the game?' 21:26:57 I think there currently is no way to help though 21:27:01 due to transifex exploding 21:27:21 -!- asdf__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:28:24 I'm a professional translator, and I've been playing Crawl since 0.6, so I want to give something back :P 21:28:35 wheals: i'm just going by what the commit message said 21:28:45 why can you.max_level go above 27 for non-felids? 21:28:46 Pluie: you can submit patches to dat/descript/(ja? you mentioned the new japanese server in ##crawl) manually on mantis 21:29:17 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:34 how do you switch languages? 21:29:37 it has all the descriptions of almost everything, and those are the only thing we have infrastructure to translate right now 21:29:51 I can translate the entire game 21:30:02 I don't understand programming stuff though 21:30:10 I wanna to translate the game to portuguese by the way. 21:30:12 chrisoelmueller, kilobyte, and galehar were all interested in coding a way to translate messages 21:30:18 Pluie: well, most of the game isn't in a form that is translatable though 21:30:34 what the three of those share is that they are no longer active :( 21:30:34 currently anyway 21:30:49 atm the only stuff that's translatable in crawl is external files to the source code 21:30:51 descriptions and stuff 21:31:18 you switch languages by setting language = in the rcfile, also in trunk builds the game detects language based on locale 21:34:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:17 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:31 So, how can I do it? 21:35:30 <|amethyst> Pluie: things that are translatable currently are in crawl-ref/source/dat/descript and crawl-ref/source/dat/database 21:36:17 How do I access those things to translate and do I send the translated thing to somebody? 21:36:17 <|amethyst> see the dat/descript/pt/ directory for the current portugese stuff 21:36:26 <|amethyst> we used to have a transifex account 21:36:31 <|amethyst> s/account/project/ 21:36:35 <|amethyst> but no longer do 21:36:57 <|amethyst> simplest would be to make your edits to those files (and/or add new files) 21:37:02 I've never done anything other than playing the game, so you'll have to enlighten me on how to acess all of that 21:37:23 <|amethyst> then make a mantis issue, and either upload your updated files, or make a patch with git and upload that 21:38:21 <|amethyst> You can start at http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=tree;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript;hb=HEAD 21:38:28 <|amethyst> those text files are things that can be translated 21:38:45 <|amethyst> there's a pt directory there that has the current portugese translations 21:38:50 so for example this? http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ability.txt;h=60a5ab75bf9857ada7931c35e4b61a0f493c9982;hb=HEAD 21:38:53 <|amethyst> but there are a lot of things that aren't there yet 21:39:09 <|amethyst> yes 21:39:15 <|amethyst> and the current translations of that file are in 21:39:17 <|amethyst> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/pt/ability.txt;h=a1a49036ad2688cddd58b5f44fd15c377a055cc9;hb=HEAD 21:39:42 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:52 <|amethyst> (which as you can see is missing many things) 21:40:08 <|amethyst> the key ("Brothers in Arms ability" etc) stays the same in the translated version 21:40:13 Who translated these things? 21:40:35 <|amethyst> people on transifex 21:40:59 <|amethyst> since the project was deleted, I don't think we have any information on who those people were 21:41:31 so, should I just retranslate all of this stuff? 21:41:38 i remember someone saying the portuguese translation was really laughable, i think 21:41:38 <|amethyst> If they're bad 21:41:49 -!- Palyth has quit [] 21:41:56 <|amethyst> but also there are plenty of things that don't have a translation at all 21:42:01 There's some stuff here that as a native, I'd never use 21:42:11 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:17 Like "esbafor fa" as a translation to "breathe fire" 21:42:22 esbafora fogo* 21:42:24 <|amethyst> Pluie: probably a lot of people decided to be "helpful" by pasting it into Google translate 21:42:31 Yeah, that happens... 21:42:51 <|amethyst> for quotes.txt in particular, those shouldn't really be translated 21:43:17 There are some that can be translated 21:43:30 <|amethyst> instead it would be better to find either original Portugese literary quotes; or published translations 21:43:37 nevermind 21:43:41 well, yeah, but that'd be kinda hard 21:43:55 <|amethyst> quotes are not as important as the other stuff 21:44:28 <|amethyst> I see there are no Portugese spell or monster descriptions at all 21:44:58 I can do that 21:45:01 <|amethyst> species and backgrounds are probably also important (but IIRC size-limited, because they have to fit on the character selection screen) 21:45:21 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 21:45:36 <|amethyst> some ifnormation: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/translation.txt;h=db91225daca720f101c0e9c12fbcc22b70c53f87;hb=HEAD 21:46:02 the transifex stuff is irrelevant now, right? 21:46:19 <|amethyst> yes, but there is still some useful information there 21:46:27 <|amethyst> like formatting and aliases 21:47:25 the quotes thing seems to be outdated too 21:47:41 er, that they have :quote, not that they shouldn't be translated 21:47:45 <|amethyst> oh, yeah 21:48:06 <|amethyst> quotes are now separate in quotes.txt, with just the plain key 21:49:18 I still don't understand how to access the already translated text 21:50:29 Pluie: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/pt/ability.txt;h=a1a49036ad2688cddd58b5f44fd15c377a055cc9;hb=HEAD is the already translated text 21:50:36 unless you mean something else? 21:50:50 (along with the other .txt files in that directory) 21:51:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=tree;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/pt;hb=HEAD for the directory 21:51:50 I know but 21:52:04 How do I get to that page from this page http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=tree;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript;hb=HEAD 21:52:16 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 21:52:23 oh its a different directory. I get it now 21:52:51 is it intended that formicids can't use shaft self in tomb? 21:53:28 I mean, it'd make sense 21:54:12 it uses is_valid_shaft_level so that you can't shaft in branch ends or pan or wherever but this also prevents shafting on all -cTele levels 21:54:31 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:54:55 is_valid_shaft_level checks -cTele? 21:55:00 that seems... odd 21:55:04 <|amethyst> // Don't generate shafts in branches where teleport control 21:55:05 <|amethyst> // is prevented. Prevents player from going down levels without 21:55:05 <|amethyst> // reaching stairs, and also keeps player from getting stuck 21:55:05 <|amethyst> // on lower levels with the innability to use teleport control to 21:55:05 <|amethyst> // get back up. 21:55:52 when could you actually get stuck? 21:56:38 in current crawl i'm pretty sure you can't 21:56:57 that said, i'm pretty okay with shaft self not working in tomb 21:57:46 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:02 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:11 perhaps for hell? 21:58:25 doy: tomb is the only connected branch in the game where you can't shaft even before the end 21:58:57 oh right, most of hells doesn't have -ctele 22:00:08 minmay: tomb is also the only connected branch where connectivity requires going up to reach the bottom level 22:01:28 doy: ...I can't figure out how that is related in any way 22:01:58 just saying, tomb is special in a lot of ways 22:02:21 <|amethyst> I do see minmay's argument, though: deliberate shafting is more like rtele than ctele 22:02:32 yeah 22:02:36 <|amethyst> and you can rtele to sequence-break Tomb all you want 22:02:40 i don't really have a particularly strong preference 22:02:46 oh really? 22:03:12 <|amethyst> well, presumably you'd land in a bad situation and die, so "all you want" might be exaggerating a bit? 22:03:18 well, yeah 22:03:27 i just didn't realize they weren't no_rtele_into or whatever 22:03:36 i hear that rtele is actually pretty good in tomb 22:03:59 at least orbruntomb :b 22:07:42 rtele is the most common and best way to do tomb:2 22:08:21 you also can't shaft in abyss but I supposed that sort of makes sense 22:08:29 that's because abyss isn't connected 22:08:43 does anyone actually expect to be able to shaft in abyss 22:09:01 when you're a fo and you're surronded, you at least want to 22:09:02 well i guess it's sort of reasonable maybe yeah 22:09:22 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:09:24 but i don't see how you could possibly guess that tomb would block self-shaft 22:09:41 unnaturally hard rock floor 22:09:45 when every other multi-level branch you've seen allowed you to self-shaft 22:10:05 wasn't it possible to shaft in tomb at one point 22:10:11 and people would mission impossible the rune? 22:10:16 or was that just for zot 22:10:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:28 -!- Guest88019 has left ##crawl-dev 22:10:55 that was zot, since for a short time shafts kept your x,y position 22:11:21 so you would minefield above the orb chamber 22:11:38 i'm not sure if this was ever actually done though 22:11:40 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 22:11:46 ooh 22:11:48 there is at least one tv of zot mission impossible 22:12:05 was that bug still around when the new mimic bug was 22:12:13 where you could blink onto a mimic and pick it up or climb it 22:12:34 because that would probably have been a cool way to abuse that mimic bug 22:12:42 i think it was actually unintended intended behavior 22:13:17 <|amethyst> %git d647f48 22:13:18 07galehar02 * 0.10-a0-220-gd647f48: Randomize the destination of hatches and shafts (#3200). 10(3 years ago, 6 files, 93+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d647f4884440 22:13:29 anyway if you could ever shaft in tomb it was before it got a sequell milestone 22:13:32 !lm * shaft 1 22:13:33 1/83011. [2009-12-05 18:17:50] hash the Missionary (L8 HOPr of Beogh) fell down a shaft to D:9 on turn 6944. (D:6) 22:13:41 !lm * shaft s=v 22:13:42 83011 milestones for * (shaft): 11101x 0.14.0-a0, 6137x 0.9.0, 5730x 0.7.1, 5703x 0.15.0-a0, 5576x 0.12.0-a0, 5241x 0.11.0, 4247x 0.10.0, 4100x 0.8.0, 3139x 0.11.0-a0, 2925x 0.10.2, 2765x 0.8.0-a0, 2539x 0.10.0-a0, 2341x 0.14.0, 2072x 0.6.0, 1844x 0.14.1, 1548x 0.12.1, 1543x 0.13.0-a0, 1194x 0.10.1, 952x 0.6.1, 873x 0.11.1, 861x 0.11.0-b1, 843x 0.9.0-a1, 812x 0.11.2, 802x 0.6.0-a1, 779x 0.7.0-a0, ... 22:14:33 shaft milestone appears to have been introduced in 0.6 22:14:54 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:15:15 anyway, i'm not too concerned about people being surprised by not being able to shaft in tomb, since there are plenty of other places you can't shaft, and it's something that you can find out pretty easily through playing 22:15:54 considering the abyss has levels these days, not sure why being unable to shaft there is not weird but being unable to shaft in tomb is 22:16:23 people just expect the absolute worst from abyss I guess 22:16:29 in design terms I mean 22:16:32 <|amethyst> tomb uses stairs and abyss portals 22:16:35 i think that tomb is a literal place, while abyss is sorta not literally connected by stairs 22:16:48 the abyssal stairs being figurative 22:16:50 <|amethyst> shafting would be like self-banishment 22:17:02 yeah, i mean, there are plenty of ways to rationalize it 22:17:11 i think there are plenty of ways to rationalize it in tomb too 22:17:13 I'm not saying abyss design is bad but if people have their expectations about abyss not met they'll probably just go "oh well it's abyss fuck this" 22:17:31 just saying that it should be based on whether it makes for good gameplay, rather than "does it make sense" 22:17:46 about tomb, I think the reason why shafts are forbidden there is simply that random shafts there would be mean 22:17:48 because making it make sense either way isn't hard 22:18:16 and then the code is such that it is easiest to just forbid shafts in general there 22:18:30 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: bye!] 22:18:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:41 yeah, i don't think tomb should have random shafts 22:19:10 well, there's code to never place random shafts on most branches:$-1 and fo can still self-shaft on those levels 22:19:27 i guess tomb uses the trap glyphs and those might ignore the code 22:20:16 !source traps.cc:1783 22:20:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/traps.cc;hb=HEAD#l1783 22:20:41 it only blocks shafts on :$-1 during level generation, not otherwise 22:22:40 elliptic: I don't actually see mention of Tomb specifically in the relevant code; it just blocks shafts on all -cTele levels and it happens that there are only two levels in the game where that has any effect, Tomb:1 and Tomb:2 22:23:15 minmay: well, yes, but presumably that code had tomb in mind 22:23:17 that seems to be the "easier to code" bit he was talking about 22:23:55 the ctele levels could also have the turns_on_level bit 22:23:56 elliptic, eb_: the code doy just called up shows how easy it would be to change it to only block tomb shafts during level generation 22:24:14 because it already does that for :$-1 22:25:48 minmay: I'm not saying this would be difficult to change. I'm saying that I assume that the people who made there be no shafts in tomb weren't worrying about Fo self-shafting (because Fo wouldn't exist for several years) 22:26:55 elliptic: of course. still, Fo exists now, as much as you might not like that 22:26:57 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 22:27:19 that's why I originally asked "is it intended" 22:27:32 minmay: I meant the comment to be in support of allowing Fo self-shafting in tomb 22:27:33 it seemed like it was an oversight when adding Fo 22:28:45 also minefield card may have existed back then!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:29:04 that may also have been an oversight in the design :) 22:29:13 (ref again mission impossible zot) 22:29:32 i wonder if it'd be a positive change to add no_rtele_into for the "inner" parts of tomb:1-2 22:30:09 I don't know if it was an oversight so much as inertia - there are certainly ways of rationalizing no shafting in tomb, so it isn't obvious that the current behavior is bad 22:30:16 doy: that would be extremely negative IMO 22:30:47 i guess it would make teleporting safer 22:30:50 which isn't great 22:31:11 <|amethyst> it would make descending with teleportitis a pain rather than dangerous 22:31:26 <|amethyst> since you'd get sent back to the beginning 22:31:29 yeah, currently teleporting in tomb:1-2 is quite interesting: dangerous, but also it gives ways of skipping a lot of it 22:32:05 "rtele is the most common and best way to do tomb:2" just makes it sound not that dangerous 22:32:20 well I might have exaggerated a bit with that 22:32:21 i've never tried it, so i don't actually know 22:32:27 i mean probably most people don't actually think of it so "most common" is wrong 22:32:42 and the best way is corruption 22:32:43 i think it's more that the stairs run on tomb:1 is pretty dangerous 22:32:50 doy: that is an exaggeration for sure 22:33:43 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [] 22:33:58 anyway even if you think preventing people from skipping the inner part of tomb:1 with teleportation is a good thing (I don't agree with this) it seems to have a bad effect on every other case where you teleport on tomb:1 or tomb:2 22:34:16 yeah 22:35:06 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:37:36 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:02 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:41:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:47:07 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:40 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:56:22 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 22:58:51 doy: It's not the most common or best, you do incur a risk of dying doing it, stair dancing is still safer really imo 22:59:15 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:16 even the W:1 corridor is imo not super dangerous, just really odious 23:00:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:23 yeah, i've never had too much of an issue with it, if you're careful to just lure the mummies over one at a time 23:00:56 yeah its pretty dang annoying though 23:01:01 lots of resting involved 23:01:39 Nowadays I think I like to just rtele on W:2 and W:3 while ctele exists (to leave W:3), fighting in tomb is just not fun 23:01:47 yeah, if you can kill greater mummies at all then the tomb:1 corridor is the least dangerous part of tomb, just tedious 23:02:01 -!- InvalidUser has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:02:02 though i need a bit more practice of W:3 tele 23:02:28 the tomb:2 ambush is dangerous for some characters though if you don't teleport (but teleporting is still dangerous for them) 23:02:39 Who do you have in mind 23:02:51 spriggan stabbers? 23:03:02 it would take them awhile to kill everything i imagine 23:03:06 the tomb:2 ambush is the most tedious place, i think 23:03:23 for characters with really low HP you can't really stairdance that safely 23:03:23 because you can just keep stair dancing until they happen to randomly wander over close enough to pull them up 23:03:28 yeah, i guess 23:03:28 yeah 23:03:34 like sp, vs 23:03:43 also for trogites or Fo or other impaired characters it can be dangerous 23:03:59 oh yeah trog tomb is not a fun experience 23:04:11 if you have a wand of hasting it isn't bad 23:04:14 It ate like 4* of piety 23:04:18 no it wasnt hard just annoying 23:04:24 and consuming of piety because of all the resting 23:04:29 but if you don't have a good source of haste then stairdancing is so much more dangerous 23:04:35 though I was using trog's hand quite a bit since I wanted the Ha species score 23:05:06 !hs * ha 23:05:06 45293. Yermak the Ninja (L27 HaBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-05-13 17:46:11, with 30380526 points after 48370 turns and 10:00:51. 23:05:59 he had potential PF 23:06:02 but 6k pan happened 23:06:09 followed by dumbness 23:06:19 rip 23:06:21 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:24 in tar 7 23:06:27 anyway 23:07:21 regarding tomb, do you think it will ever go away from fixed layout 23:07:29 (s) 23:09:12 never is a long time, but the fixed layout is kind of a big part of tomb's Thing 23:09:45 question 23:09:52 is there a planning page for .16? 23:10:19 (i.e. to discuss things like chunk removal, ammo mulching, and other such planned changes?) 23:10:32 not afaik 23:10:51 I have a long list of things to add when a page is made 23:11:03 but I was waiting on Plan Master Gammafunk to make one first 23:12:25 rip gammafunk 23:12:30 yeah rip 23:20:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 23:27:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:28:34 -!- Wolfram_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:30:11 -!- doy has quit [Excess Flood] 23:34:05 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:08 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:10 -!- rast- is now known as rast 23:43:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:28 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:59 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:47:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:49:21 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 23:50:21 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:50:48 -!- hauzer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:52:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:53:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:59:11 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev