00:01:01 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-93-gfe3f9bc 00:02:45 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-223-g37887f7 (34) 00:03:22 -!- zercules has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:04:03 -!- zercules_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:05:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:06:36 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:43 -!- Kramin is now known as Kramin42 00:07:07 -!- Kramin42 is now known as Kramin 00:07:32 -!- giganticus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08:08 issues with merging ruthless efficiency: (1) you lose the beautiful elegance of three 27s, (2) you lose the design elegance of a bite-sized but still very challenging banner, (3) the rune banner is quite tricky already without being in the '2' slot 00:08:20 *merging ruthless efficiency into speed demon 00:08:56 my point is that 2 and 3 are just too similar 00:09:06 I'd solve 3 and mitigate 1 by changing the rune time limit to 81 minutes (still fairly tight - per earlier tonight) and make the game-win time limit 243 minutes 00:09:07 there's not much of a functional difference there 00:09:31 oh, huh 00:09:36 it's "reach the last level"? really? 00:09:40 yeah 00:09:46 for some reason I thought it was just reach a rune branch 00:09:50 hm 00:10:26 well, I think my observations stand, but that's a fair point 00:11:58 !lm . x=dur 00:11:58 8476. [2014-08-18 16:48:50] [dur=0:00:00] gammafunk the Caller (L1 HESu) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 00:12:57 !lm . x=dur -2 00:12:58 8475/8476. [2014-08-18 16:41:03] [dur=0:25:02] gammafunk the Caller (L8 HESu) killed Blork the orc on turn 3402. (D:7) 00:13:15 !lg * recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<0:27:00 s=player,dur 00:13:16 No keyword 'rune' 00:13:19 !lm * recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<0:27:00 s=player,dur 00:13:20 ERROR: invalid input syntax for integer: "0:27:00" 00:13:23 hrm 00:13:36 i think it's seconds 00:13:41 !calc 27*60 00:13:41 1620 00:13:45 !lm * recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<1620 s=player,dur 00:13:48 Unknown field: player 00:13:57 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:14:02 !lm * recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<1620 s=name,dur 00:14:06 56 milestones for * (recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<1620): 33x qw (2x 0:21:42, 2x 0:18:41, 0:24:18, 0:21:59, 0:19:49, 0:21:16, 0:19:12, 0:18:51, 0:17:43, 0:20:35, 0:22:17, 0:20:15, 0:19:47, 0:18:03, 0:24:13, 0:18:56, 0:16:45, 0:19:36, 0:22:59, 0:20:00, 0:20:43, 0:20:14, 0:19:13, 0:23:34, 0:17:27, 0:20:40, 0:20:55, 0:21:48, 0:23:32, 0:19:03, 0:19:06), 8x xw (0:20:59, 0:18:51, 0:17:53, 0:... 00:14:10 haha 00:14:13 dang you qw 00:14:15 stahp 00:14:35 !lm * !@bots recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<1620 s=name,dur 00:14:38 56 milestones for * (!@bots recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<1620): 33x qw (2x 0:21:42, 2x 0:18:41, 0:24:18, 0:21:59, 0:19:49, 0:21:16, 0:19:12, 0:18:51, 0:17:43, 0:20:35, 0:22:17, 0:20:15, 0:19:47, 0:18:03, 0:24:13, 0:18:56, 0:16:45, 0:19:36, 0:22:59, 0:20:00, 0:20:43, 0:20:14, 0:19:13, 0:23:34, 0:17:27, 0:20:40, 0:20:55, 0:21:48, 0:23:32, 0:19:03, 0:19:06), 8x xw (0:20:59, 0:18:51, 0:17... 00:14:45 forget the thing for no bots 00:14:56 !lg @bot 00:14:57 10083. gw the Cudgeler (L7 OgBe of Trog), slain by a big kobold (a +0,+0 whip) on D:4 (minmay_goblin_kobold_castle) on 2014-06-07 02:00:35, with 442 points after 5925 turns and 0:02:08. 00:15:02 !lm * !@bot recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<1620 s=name,dur 00:15:05 14 milestones for * (!@bot recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<1620): 3x Haifischqw (0:22:47, 0:18:24, 0:20:32), 2x jeanjacques (0:25:45, 0:17:00), 2x assemblerBot (0:18:31, 0:22:28), 2x splat (0:24:40, 0:21:08), irum (0:26:26), knark (0:25:12), espressodan (0:20:41), staplegun (0:19:21), joy1999 (0:23:19) 00:15:15 huh 00:15:18 like half of those are bots 00:15:24 jeanjacques a bot 00:15:37 well I don't know which all are 00:15:51 haifischqw is 00:15:53 kind of suspicious 00:15:54 imho 00:16:00 sure, but splat? I forget 00:16:03 assemblerbot likewise 00:16:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:16:22 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/assemblerbot.html look 00:16:31 1nick bot assemblerbot 00:16:39 12767 ||| INVOKING BERSERK. 00:16:45 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:16:54 splat appears to be real 00:16:57 well yes there are bots in there, we're just trying to see what's reasonable for a banner 00:17:01 sure. 00:17:09 yeah I guess it's probably T3 worthy 00:17:12 sorry, I was just thinking that someone could add them to the bot map 00:17:26 !gamesby assemblerBot 00:17:27 assemblerBot has played 40 games, between 2014-04-23 12:13:13 and 2014-04-26 09:39:11, won 0, high score 259878, total score 1130955, total turns 391046, play-time/day 1:01:42, total time 4:06:51. 00:17:35 many don't play that much I guess 00:17:41 no I mean 00:17:49 look at a log 00:17:52 12767 ||| INVOKING BERSERK. 00:18:00 yes? 00:18:07 you're saying they're bots, which I agree with 00:18:10 oh I thought you were disagreeing with my bot assessment 00:18:12 sorry 00:18:12 I'm saying they're not really active bots 00:18:18 lazybots 00:18:19 but yeah I guess it's all the same 00:18:21 :( 00:18:38 all the same? what are you, some kind of bot racist? 00:18:40 !gamesby Haifischqw 00:18:41 Haifischqw has played 30 games, between 2014-05-23 06:19:18 and 2014-05-29 02:25:30, won 0, high score 334096, total score 1154993, total turns 312497, play-time/day 0:30:41, total time 3:34:52. 00:18:47 yeah 00:18:48 !scoringlink Haifischqw 00:18:48 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/haifischqw 00:18:51 that would indeed be 00:18:53 the haifisch bot 00:18:55 0 wins 00:18:59 rude. 00:19:27 iirc haif won on her second game - I don't recall if it was her second online game or overall 00:19:35 yeah my sense of what's fair for T2 vs T3 is off 00:19:45 it's a little arbitrary :) 00:20:27 what did you think of my "d:15 by 27min / rune by 81min / win by 243min" suggestion? I guess 81min is probably too easy for t2 00:20:36 maybe 54min 00:20:50 well yeah 81 is way high probably 00:20:53 hrm let's see 00:20:57 !lm . recent rune min=dur x=dur 00:20:58 15. [2014-07-27 08:04:53] [dur=3:39:04] doy the Bludgeoner (L18 GrFi of Makhleb) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 37635. (Snake:5) 00:21:00 ): 00:21:05 hahaha 00:21:08 rip 00:21:20 I mean, it's different when you're playing normally vs when you're going for speed 00:21:22 and we're talking about the latter 00:21:25 !calc 54*60 00:21:25 3240 00:21:33 !lm * !@bots recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<3240 s=name,dur 00:21:34 yeah, i've never been particularly good at speed 00:21:36 270 milestones for * (!@bots recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<3240): 53x qw (2x 0:21:42, 2x 0:18:41, 0:24:18, 0:18:56, 0:35:36, 0:21:59, 0:41:07, 0:19:49, 0:37:51, 0:38:16, 0:21:16, 0:19:12, 0:29:49, 0:48:45, 0:46:17, 0:38:05, 0:17:43, 0:49:35, 0:20:35, 0:35:52, 0:22:17, 0:20:15, 0:19:47, 0:18:03, 0:24:13, 0:18:51, 0:46:50, 0:16:45, 0:19:36, 0:22:59, 0:20:00, 0:20:43, 0:37:30, 0:20:14, 0:... 00:21:41 270! 00:21:43 uh 00:21:46 53 qw 00:21:47 clearly this is the right number 00:21:54 oh that again 00:21:58 !lm * !@bot recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<3240 s=name,dur 00:22:02 198 milestones for * (!@bot recent rune noun!=abyssal noun!=slimy dur<3240): 24x ophanim (0:48:09, 0:43:33, 0:40:37, 0:33:30, 0:46:40, 0:47:44, 0:52:59, 0:43:48, 0:37:12, 0:38:10, 0:43:09, 0:42:43, 0:44:37, 0:45:40, 0:36:45, 0:52:01, 0:43:00, 0:50:56, 0:39:01, 0:52:48, 0:42:34, 0:39:09, 0:34:38, 0:31:28), 20x kyprion (0:52:27, 0:37:09, 0:46:17, 0:44:38, 0:47:33, 0:40:38, 0:31:46, 0:46:03, 0:46:54,... 00:22:09 ah, ophanim 00:22:12 now we're onto something 00:22:14 much more boring number 00:22:23 !lg ophanim min=dur x=dur won 00:22:24 124. [dur=1:08:12] ophanim the Conqueror (L24 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-10 17:17:43, with 2024795 points after 43516 turns and 1:08:12. 00:22:28 dang 00:22:31 pretty fast 00:22:58 well rune <54 mins seems reasonable for T2 00:23:10 !lg * recent !@bot min=dur x=dur 00:23:12 889638. [dur=0:00:00] quitrobin the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (saegor_entry_simple_E) on 2013-10-12 00:33:35, with 20 points after 0 turns and 0:00:00. 00:23:15 !lg * recent !@bot min=dur x=dur won 00:23:16 6290. [dur=1:08:12] ophanim the Conqueror (L24 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-10 17:17:43, with 2024795 points after 43516 turns and 1:08:12. 00:23:21 only sad thing is my fastest is 64 mins 00:23:30 guest I have to get good in order to get that banner 00:23:50 still faster than tabstorm of course 00:24:02 !lg * !@bot won dur<=14580 s=name,dur 00:24:03 734 games for * (!@bot won dur<=14580): 62x jeanjacques (2:55:02, 3:44:51, 2:16:57, 1:48:01, 3:52:31, 3:10:51, 2:50:39, 3:28:06, 3:15:20, 3:10:19, 3:11:56, 3:31:36, 2:28:16, 3:20:45, 3:22:08, 3:33:38, 3:18:28, 2:23:02, 2:45:35, 3:23:31, 3:57:06, 1:42:21, 3:01:45, 2:47:56, 2:15:53, 4:02:01, 2:45:08, 2:16:04, 3:32:27, 2:20:08, 3:34:40, 3:47:20, 1:48:56, 2:50:23, 2:17:11, 3:31:50, 3:52:57, 3:59:36, 1... 00:24:11 hm 00:24:25 jeanjacques, the practically-a-bot 00:24:26 !lg * !@bot won dur<=9720 s=name,dur 00:24:27 132 games for * (!@bot won dur<=9720): 18x jeanjacques (2:16:57, 1:48:01, 2:28:16, 2:23:02, 1:42:21, 2:15:53, 2:16:04, 2:20:08, 1:48:56, 2:17:11, 1:58:12, 2:08:53, 2:13:31, 1:48:18, 1:40:17, 1:25:04, 2:40:03, 2:18:22), 14x Elynae (2:00:07, 2:25:10, 2:39:42, 1:08:43, 2:19:24, 1:49:42, 1:52:03, 2:17:10, 2:08:24, 2:30:52, 2:31:07, 2:06:26, 2:11:03, 2:15:02), 11x ophanim (1:57:54, 2:07:02, 2:01:11, 2:... 00:24:31 there. 00:24:53 162 minutes, which isn't a very pretty number at all. 00:25:29 !lg elliptic recent won s=dur 00:25:30 47 games for elliptic (recent won): 9:39:13, 6:53:43, 6:24:11, 5:44:49, 6:26:04, 6:20:08, 5:54:41, 1:39:28, 7:49:37, 2:45:27, 3:21:46, 3:38:00, 5:29:58, 3:21:38, 4:24:19, 6:03:57, 6:56:08, 5:20:56, 4:20:53, 5:52:46, 3:20:22, 4:04:52, 3:19:35, 6:08:59, 4:41:36, 6:38:01, 4:37:38, 4:41:46, 5:29:34, 5:25:58, 3:25:42, 5:21:27, 6:08:48, 5:02:43, 5:24:38, 6:24:58, 5:29:50, 9:11:56, 5:58:56, 4:35:28, 4:46... 00:25:52 well I don't know, he'd be good to ask though 00:26:25 !lg @devteam s=score,name 00:26:28 57725 games for @devteam: 1853x 20 (508x neil, 245x KiloByte, 164x Napkin, 156x MarvinPA, 126x wheals, 79x bh, 77x 78291, 67x rob, 58x SamB, 45x dpeg, 37x sorear, 37x erisdiscordia, 34x HangedMan, 32x bookofjude, 31x gammafunk, 26x ontoclasm, 22x evilmike, 17x mumra, 16x SGrunt, 11x elliptic, 10x N78291, 8x pointless, 7x rax, 7x Medar, 6x greensnark, 6x doy, 4x edlothiol, 4x itsmu, 3x haranp, 3x P... 00:26:55 weird query 00:26:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:27:00 yeah it's wrong 00:27:04 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:27:04 what is that even querying 00:27:33 oh, i see 00:27:35 score-name pairs for every combination of name and score for every game played by a member of the devteam (including unwon, quit, etc) 00:27:35 heh 00:27:35 !lg @devteam won s=score,name o=score 00:27:36 1418 games for @devteam (won): 52436210 (elliptic), 34569961 (elliptic), 33813486 (rob), 33336361 (78291), 32355846 (elliptic), 28587140 (78291), 26487821 (rob), 26402253 (elliptic), 24084354 (gammafunk), 17869119 (elliptic), 17576087 (elliptic), 16716374 (evilmike), 16545935 (elliptic), 16468365 (elliptic), 16428480 (elliptic), 16281472 (PleasingFungus), 16063249 (elliptic), 15976919 (elliptic), ... 00:27:43 hrm 00:27:48 well that's basically it 00:27:51 I'm on the list!!! 00:27:51 no. 3!!!! 00:27:57 oh dang 00:27:57 N7 00:27:59 curse him 00:28:03 I'll take no. 4 00:28:12 it's kind of funny how n7 became a dev and then vanished two weeks later 00:28:19 he ascended 00:28:22 ya 00:28:25 someone should probably take over nemelex 00:28:44 I could...I have...plans...for nemelex 00:28:44 at some point 00:28:45 !gamesby n78291 00:28:45 n78291 has played 6604 games, between 2007-09-22 22:46:23 and 2014-05-09 02:06:16, won 466 (7.1%), high score 33336361, total score 1446040602, total turns 139791292, play-time/day 3:06:29, total time 313d+15:56:19. 00:28:55 plans!!! 00:28:55 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:28:59 I support Plans 00:29:15 my plan 00:29:18 ??gammafunk[4] 00:29:19 gammafunk[4/10]: The first dev to officially propose deicide. 00:29:26 o 00:29:27 PleasingFungus: support plan9! 00:29:32 nvm then 00:29:42 gammafunk please consider 00:29:44 without nemelex 00:29:50 how would you have nemelex's choice??? 00:29:57 lol 00:29:58 it would still be there, in his honor 00:30:01 in conclusion, please destroy ely. 00:30:03 tia 00:30:12 Nemelex (RIP)'s choice ? 00:30:29 The Last Choice of Nemelex 00:30:42 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Client Quit] 00:32:05 PleasingFungus: well if you can convince dpeg 00:32:05 since he designed ely iirc 00:32:11 huh 00:32:17 didn't know that 00:32:38 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [] 00:32:45 and DD I think 00:33:18 !lg dpeg DD-- won 00:33:18 1. dpeg the Avatar (L27 DDHe of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2009-08-12 16:57:51, with 1917857 points after 93950 turns and 9:04:42. 00:33:23 haha 00:33:27 perfect 00:33:33 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:33:43 eh. in principle I'd support fixing ely instead but idk what there is to salvage 00:34:01 -!- rphillips has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:35:26 then again, the cost of ely being in the game is very low 00:35:27 if anyone has access, the trunk builds on cdo are over 2 weeks outdated 00:36:19 -!- rphillips has quit [Changing host] 00:36:19 -!- rphillips has quit [Changing host] 00:37:02 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:38:07 PF: imo it has a large cost: it's hard to go to all perma food and have a balanced hunger clock with ely existing 00:38:25 -!- _godzilla has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:38:46 the thing is that I don't support that plan in any case 00:38:48 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Client Quit] 00:38:48 maybe we shouldn't go all permafood 00:38:48 if you want to get rid of annoying spell/ability hunger 00:38:49 why? 00:38:51 since i like tactical hunger costs 00:38:52 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:38:57 I like spell/ability hunger 00:38:57 all permafood is much better than chunks imo 00:39:01 as a mechanic 00:39:06 so 00:39:06 o well 00:39:09 rip 00:39:33 funnily, dpeg is more in favor of that idea 00:39:41 which, all permafood? 00:39:52 ya 00:39:57 yeah, but he wants kind of more hunger costs 00:40:23 my concern is that we make exploration more required to not starve for some builds 00:40:36 and? 00:40:51 the whole point of having different builds is that they have to be played differently 00:41:00 well they're played differently now 00:41:29 in fact you can play them both ways currently; take more turns exploring or not 00:41:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:56 tbh I'm not sure you can do permafood only in a great way with food costs in so many areas, like TS said 00:42:23 99% of food costs are an illusion of danger 00:42:43 -!- Suzera- has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:42:43 tactical. eating. 00:42:50 the 1% is like 00:42:53 eating a fruit so i can zerk 00:42:56 -!- Codrus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:43:05 because im very hungry for the 5th time on a given floor 00:43:09 from just exploring 00:43:36 well it's mostly an issue with certain things like ely and spell hunger, particularly spell hunger with e.g. sif channel; there are just such a range of nutrition requirements 00:43:57 I think it would be easier to design permafood only if there weren't such a range 00:44:22 sif channel isn't that bad 00:44:30 mummies can abuse it let's not pretend mummy casters are good 00:44:48 well sounds like you're saying "it isn't bad without a food cost" 00:44:51 just less odious 00:45:03 because you dont constantly have to butcher n' eat after each fight 00:45:04 as in "it would be fine to not have a food cost" 00:45:06 yes 00:45:09 that is correct 00:45:09 which may be the case 00:45:26 ely probably not because its literally 1 hitting people 00:45:32 and gaining piety from it 00:45:34 to 1 hit more people 00:45:42 literally!!! 00:45:45 sounds like an anti-drug advertisement 00:45:53 how would sif channel having no hunger cost be reasonable 00:46:04 I pacify monsters...to gain more piety...to pacify more monsters... 00:46:15 Because: In combat, your primary limitation is MP, followed by spacing 00:46:17 heh 00:46:23 as a conjurer/summoner 00:46:30 to channel you have to sacrifice spacing (turns) 00:46:37 to some extent 00:46:44 (this is why sif is worse than vehumet) 00:46:53 for weak n00bs, yes 00:46:59 (for nonsummoners) 00:47:05 not for powerful developer-players 00:47:17 aka DPs 00:47:50 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:48:59 aka summoners 00:49:05 nerf plz 00:49:16 devs. devs nerf plz. devs. 00:49:22 nerf devs 00:49:35 !nerf PleasingFungus 00:49:35 * Sequell nerfs PleasingFungus!!! 00:49:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140817030204]] 00:49:46 wow 00:49:50 strong nerf 00:50:01 For a character that has decent melee skill, it's not a huge deal to lose out on spacing or to have their MP go down: they can just fight stuff so it's not important to keep MP reasonably high 00:50:25 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:50:28 but for weaker-defense dudes, it is imporatnt to keep the MP up, so it is a sacrifice of turns when you let enemies close on you to hit aaaaaaaaaaaa 00:50:55 again no one pretends mummy spellcasters are amazing because of channeling 00:51:39 !lg * recent Mu-- / won 00:51:41 97/24111 games for * (recent Mu--): N=97/24111 (0.40%) 00:51:47 !lg * recent Mu-- god=sif / won 00:51:49 32/1488 games for * (recent Mu-- god=sif): N=32/1488 (2.15%) 00:51:55 oh SHIT 2% 00:51:56 see, powerful channel 00:52:01 quite powyrful 00:52:02 oh wait 00:52:09 !lg * !boring recent Mu-- / won 00:52:11 97/21450 games for * (!boring recent Mu--): N=97/21450 (0.45%) 00:52:16 !lg * !boring recent Mu-- god=sif / won 00:52:18 32/1484 games for * (!boring recent Mu-- god=sif): N=32/1484 (2.16%) 00:52:21 huh 00:52:25 not many quit mummies 00:52:27 remember that musk was a tourney combo 00:52:33 lots of splatted musks' 00:52:42 !lg * !boring recent Mu-- / won s=god 00:52:42 i imagine, in there 00:52:44 97/21450 games for * (!boring recent Mu--): 32/1484x Sif Muna [2.16%], 10/467x Okawaru [2.14%], 9/1934x Xom [0.47%], 9/381x Ashenzari [2.36%], 8/971x Trog [0.82%], 6/262x Vehumet [2.29%], 5/335x Nemelex Xobeh [1.49%], 4/318x Yredelemnul [1.26%], 4/317x Kikubaaqudgha [1.26%], 4/318x Gozag [1.26%], 3/77x Dithmenos [3.90%], 2/141x Cheibriados [1.42%], 1/291x Lugonu [0.34%], 0/10x Jiyva [0.00%], 0/134... 00:52:52 !lg * !boring recent Mu-- / won s=god o=% 00:52:54 97/21450 games for * (!boring recent Mu--): 3/77x Dithmenos [3.90%], 9/381x Ashenzari [2.36%], 6/262x Vehumet [2.29%], 32/1484x Sif Muna [2.16%], 10/467x Okawaru [2.14%], 5/335x Nemelex Xobeh [1.49%], 2/141x Cheibriados [1.42%], 4/317x Kikubaaqudgha [1.26%], 4/318x Yredelemnul [1.26%], 4/318x Gozag [1.26%], 8/971x Trog [0.82%], 9/1934x Xom [0.47%], 1/291x Lugonu [0.34%], 0/10x Jiyva [0.00%], 0/134... 00:53:25 the other thing with all-permafood would be undeads 00:53:37 because it then becomes mad annoying to deal with their food interaction (vp/gh) 00:53:42 or "you can scum) (Mu) 00:53:50 but Mu can scum in lair already.. so 00:54:13 it would also make spriggans more powerful/less interesting 00:54:20 yeah those would need some rework, but I think the chunkless thing is on haitus for the time being 00:54:51 why? spriggan is already on all permafood.. it's not like you'd spawn more of it, you'd reduce other races' hunger rates 00:55:23 the whole idea is you can spawn quite a bit fewer rations and reduce the hunger rate a lot, so that one is not bombarded with "You are feeling hungry." several times a floor 00:55:33 while still maintaining a "clocl" 00:55:35 er, clock 00:59:16 like current spriggan has a decent frequency for hunger messages (very rare) 01:01:41 also hunger is never in any way a meaningful issue for spriggans in my experience 01:02:20 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03:32 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:03:37 -!- Oblivion4 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:04:04 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:05 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08:27 I guess a SpCj could have a hard time 01:08:36 that apt 01:08:46 !apt sp 01:08:46 Sp: Fighting: -2*, Short: 1, Long: -2, Axes: -2, Maces: -3*, Polearms: -3*, Staves: -3*, Slings: 2, Bows: 2, Xbows: 0, Throw: 1, Armour: -3*, Dodge: 4!, Stealth: 5!, Shields: -3*, UC: -2*, Splcast: 2, Conj: -3*, Hexes: 2, Charms: 4!, Summ: -2, Nec: -1, Tloc: 4!, Tmut: 3!, Fire: -2, Ice: -2, Air: -1, Earth: -1, Poison: 0, Inv: 0, Evo: 4!, Exp: -1, HP: -3, MP: 3! 01:09:07 !apt summ 01:09:07 Summ: Te: 2!, DE: 1, Ds: 0, Op: 0, Dr: 0, Hu: 0, VS: 0, Ko: 0, HO: 0, Vp: 0, Mf: 0, Fo: 0, Na: 0, Fe: 0, Ha: -1, Gh: -1, HE: -1, Dg: -1, Gr: -1, DD: -1, Ce: -1, Mu: -2, Sp: -2, Mi: -3*, Tr: -3*, Og: -3* 01:09:36 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:12:39 !tell marvinpa https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=187029#p187029 hahahahaha wow you were actually right 01:12:40 minmay: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 01:12:54 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:16:28 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:16:28 not with 4 sc 01:16:33 and high int 01:16:44 i mean you easily spawn like 30 bread a game 01:16:46 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:16:54 plus lots of royal jelly 01:17:07 and often hundreds of fruits 01:17:11 and with 4 sc, easy to acquire |energy on first acq 01:17:26 if you must force yourself to be a spriggan conjurer 01:17:57 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:41 wait 2 sc.. why did i think they had 4 01:21:17 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:25 -!- Chimpion has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:27:52 -!- slitherrr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:45 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:23 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:48 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:37 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:46 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:42:20 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:43:08 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:44:44 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:48:43 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:44 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:59:44 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:02 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:45 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-93-gfe3f9bc 02:20:48 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:52 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:25:18 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-223-g37887f7 (34) 02:26:48 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:27:25 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 02:29:46 -!- sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30:37 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:38:55 .echo $(length (split , (!lg * s=name / won ?: N>9))) 02:38:56 .echo $(length (nick-aliases goodplayers)) 02:39:00 418 02:39:00 351 02:39:34 according to lg there are 418 goodplayers and according to the nick mapping there are 351 02:40:01 should I add the rest of them to the nick mapping? I think I can make a command to do it 02:41:52 -!- rorriMnm1D has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:43:19 .echo $(length (nick-aliases greatplayers)) 02:43:19 60 02:43:21 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Client Quit] 02:44:36 -!- ZRN_ is now known as ZRN 02:46:17 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:48:26 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 02:51:09 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:51 !lg * playable grotesk 02:56:53 453. Attica the Skirmisher (L4 GrFi), quit the game on D:2 (uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage) on 2013-06-18 08:21:29, with 164 points after 880 turns and 0:06:05. 02:56:55 lol 02:57:05 how do I play grotesk? 03:02:30 I think that was the original gargoyle name 03:02:43 %git :/rename grotesk 03:02:49 Could not find commit :/rename grotesk (git returned 128) 03:02:54 %git :/rgrotesk 03:02:55 Could not find commit :/rgrotesk (git returned 128) 03:02:57 %git :/grotesk 03:02:58 07dolorous02 * 0.13-a0-1297-g7c14b23: Mark grotesks as artificial beings (prohibiting their being Death Knights). 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c14b2386103 03:04:19 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:10:34 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:17 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:19:27 johnstein: yeah, but they have been renamed and sequell treats them as different species 03:19:55 !lg * gr won 03:19:55 953. silentsigil the Axe Maniac (L27 GrFi of Xom), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-08-19 00:38:38, with 14769886 points after 107859 turns and 15:44:49. 03:20:01 !lg * gargoyle won 03:20:02 952. silentsigil the Axe Maniac (L27 GrFi of Xom), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-08-19 00:38:38, with 14769886 points after 107859 turns and 15:44:49. 03:20:10 !lg * grotesk won 03:20:11 1. 78291 the Wrestler (L27 GrDK of Yredelemnul), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-05-31 15:40:32, with 1478518 points after 92378 turns and 5:23:39. 03:20:28 there is one grotesk win I guess 03:27:13 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:42 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:29:47 -!- Basil has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 03:31:01 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:16 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:22 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:32:20 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:42:33 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:43:33 -!- grit has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:48:24 -!- rat4000 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:52:14 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55:46 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:09:48 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:14:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21:17 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:52 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:31 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:24:47 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:31:53 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:56:45 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:05 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 05:09:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:13:10 -!- Philonous_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:10 -!- Tedronai has quit [Client Quit] 05:44:37 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:52:46 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:55:07 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:08 asanbosam (L20 VpEn) ASSERT(blood.sub_type == POT_BLOOD_COAGULATED) in 'rot.cc' at line 596 failed. (Crypt:2) 06:00:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 06:00:33 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:18:58 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:22 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:20:44 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:20 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:26:53 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 06:27:51 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30:58 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:31:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:39 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:36 Kramin: updating goodplayers is what !update-goodplayers is for, might want to check out why it isn't working 06:35:04 -!- gareppa has quit [Client Quit] 06:35:18 hmm, ok 06:35:40 !kw playable:race 06:35:41 Built-in: playable:race => crace=Human|High Elf|Deep Elf|Halfling|Hill Orc|Kobold|Mummy|Naga|Ogre|Troll|Draconian|Centaur|Demigod|Spriggan|Minotaur|Demonspawn|Ghoul|Tengu|Merfolk|Vampire|Deep Dwarf|Felid|Octopode|Gargoyle|Formicid|Vine Stalker 06:36:28 !tell pleasingfungus 243 minutes for a win sounds a bit too easy for a tier 3... 06:36:28 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:36:41 or maybe way too easy 06:38:03 -!- gigantic_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:53 !lg . won t / dur<4:03:00 06:38:54 ERROR: invalid input syntax for integer: "4:03:00" 06:42:58 .echo $(length (split , (nick-aliases goodplayers))) 06:42:58 418 06:43:03 !countgoodplayers 06:43:04 418 good players 06:43:09 fixed 06:43:22 !cmd !update-goodplayers 06:43:22 Command: !update-goodplayers => !nick goodplayers $(!lg * won s=name fmt:"${.}" join:" " ?:N>9) 06:43:46 I don't know why it wasn't working before though 06:45:14 I could do a similar thing for greatplayers actually 06:46:56 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:55:02 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 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-!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:29 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:00 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:24:47 -!- TendaAway is now known as Tenda 07:32:30 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:43:17 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:44 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:45:22 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 07:45:43 -!- epsik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:45:54 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:57 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:48:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 07:49:27 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-211-gb862c81: Ru: reset Ru altar to brown. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b862c81d2822 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-212-g28acc18: Ru: fix name of no dodging mutation 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=28acc18555ec 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-213-g575b6c1: Ru: fix god description typo. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=575b6c1fd0a7 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-214-g710566e: Ru: correct the uselessness of summoning evokers. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=710566e13e6c 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-215-g44062c3: Ru: Fold sacrifice wiz command into offer gift command 10(3 days ago, 3 files, 10+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44062c3fc5dd 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-216-g36782c5: Ru: don't give horror for submerged monsters. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=36782c5bc7b7 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-217-g989f22b: Ru: Improve randomized mutation sacrifices. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 52+ 69-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=989f22b37f27 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-218-g14d0938: Ru: give message when you're too healthy to use Draw Out Power 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=14d09384b01c 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-219-g3d803a4: Ru: Fix another erroneous cannot memorize message. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 16+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d803a4e12e6 07:50:13 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.16-a0-220-g2bc948e: Ru: Preventing out of sight monsters from being redirected. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bc948ea5086 07:50:13 ... and 2 more commits 07:52:38 Experimental (iashol) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-222-gd16465f 07:53:48 ??iashol 07:53:48 ru[1/5]: The god of renouncing the material world via sacrifice in order to gain knowledge and power. Ru helps adherents who strip away the trappings of their mortal life to see the true nature of reality, thus gaining great power. Worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. 07:54:10 ??ru[2] 07:54:10 ru[2/5]: Granted powers: 1*: Attacking enemies falter and/or attack themselves or other enemies. 2*: Enemies that damage you can receive statuses. 3*: restore health and mana. 4*: jump three tiles and explode at destination. 5*: deal huge damage and inflict statuses to everything on screen. All powers scale with piety. 07:55:45 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 07:57:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:05:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 08:06:02 -!- radinms has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:08:06 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:14:22 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:15:09 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:13 are default glyphs for dungeon features (not monsters) ever changed? 08:18:24 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 08:20:58 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:21:16 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:00 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:24:07 -!- Suzera- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:25:37 |amethyst: Thanks! 08:32:16 -!- RodericNull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:32:23 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:37:20 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47:00 Kvaak: everything changes eventually 08:47:54 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:48:57 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:59 the unicode feature glyphs are all changes 08:50:14 everything used to be ascii 08:50:20 mm, I was mostly wondering about grates and glass walls 08:50:38 there's an important difference between the two yet it's kind of hard to tell them apart 08:51:59 they seem pretty easy to tell apart to me 08:52:02 blue vs cyan 08:52:10 well, you can always change them yourself if you want 08:53:01 I know, I changed grates to ┼ 08:55:52 -!- Tenda is now known as TendaAway 08:57:06 just figured I might not be the only one who wonders why he's being smited through glass walls, with the colors being rather similar and grates being somewhat rare 08:57:21 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 09:01:32 http://paste.tozt.net/2014-08-19vejC58oZ-IChGXatlxP.png this is what they look like to me 09:01:41 are they less differentiated for you? 09:02:14 <|amethyst> doy: do you have bold-is-bright turned off? 09:02:20 <|amethyst> doy: it's supposed to be lightblue 09:02:27 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:27 |amethyst: no 09:02:36 pretty sure that is lightblue for me 09:02:40 <|amethyst> can you even see darkblue then? :) 09:02:54 <|amethyst> I have problems seeing your lightblue even :) 09:02:58 not very well, i keep meaning to fix that one of these days 09:06:01 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:53 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 09:11:35 #tilesreasons 09:13:35 yeah, like having to differentiate between individual pixels is any better 09:13:38 (: 09:13:44 http://i.imgur.com/HWxVGEq.png 09:14:06 there's a clear difference between the two when they're side by side but not when I notice I can see a monster through a wall and think "oh, it's glass" 09:15:55 That seems to have metal, not glass 09:16:39 oh right, it's lightcyan 09:17:59 http://i.imgur.com/nz2ukkH.png 09:18:12 <|amethyst> I think it does make sense to reglyph grates in unicode 09:18:22 the difference is there but my first instinct is still "it's blue, and I can see through it" 09:18:26 <|amethyst> and maybe granite statues and idols 09:20:29 darkgrey granite statues is a bit bad anyway 09:20:44 <|amethyst> being the same glyph as a monster was my concern 09:20:51 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:32 <|amethyst> if the monster is supposed to be confused for the feature, then IMO make the monster behave like a mimic 09:22:38 * wheals mumbles something about U+1F33D 09:23:05 <|amethyst> sadly I don't think it's safe to use things outside the BMP by default 09:23:18 <|amethyst> nice as that might be for death cobs 09:23:39 had to reglyph death cobs too since I kept trying to pick them up 09:23:43 but that's probably intentional 09:23:43 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:24:32 <|amethyst> (even where >16-bit unicode is supported, which is most places now, there's font support, and it has to be width-1 currently 09:24:42 * geekosaur was just wondering if his mac would autosubstitute the fancy emoji version he's seeing in character viewer 09:25:34 <|amethyst> the obvious solution: get each Crawl monster and feature added to some phones as emoji; then they'll be in the next version of Unicode 09:25:39 <|amethyst> and you can play consoletiles 09:25:40 also, width-1 is already a bit of a fail; the club glyph used for trees is 1.5 width in the fonts he's used on OS X 09:26:07 <|amethyst> geekosaur: yeah, I've seen that on Ubuntu machines too, at least with some fonts 09:26:29 what does 1.5 width even mean 09:26:35