00:00:28 johnstein: which slows them down to be about the same CPU load as an extremely fast human 00:00:46 Cool 00:01:11 so the 45 minute win in the 0.14 tourney could actually be faster 00:01:22 ??qw[3] 00:01:23 qw[3/3]: On the online servers, qw plays with an extra added delay so that it doesn't use too much server CPU. Playing locally without this delay, qw is much faster: http://bpaste.net/raw/195459/ 00:01:25 ^ 00:01:36 quite a bit faster :) 00:02:04 though that 2-min win also had disabled lua throttling 00:02:32 I think it is something like 5 minutes if you just remove the delay but keep the throttling 00:02:47 lua throttling is now disabled by default for non-dgl builds, and has a command line switch 00:06:11 doy: yeah, I'll switch to qw-testing in master at some point and that stuff should be nice 00:06:30 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-220-g6a27b25 (34) 00:11:22 wow 00:12:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:16:48 -!- JaGGedTK has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:18:35 I actually would sort of like to get a qw win online that is faster than 00:18:41 !lg * won min=dur 00:18:42 20328. parabolic the Conqueror (L27 HOBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-09-30 03:07:57, with 1837492 points after 55965 turns and 0:31:58. 00:19:04 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-220-g6a27b25 (34) 00:20:00 just because it is a bit silly that qw doesn't have the title (it doesn't because I didn't worry about artificial delays with parabolic even though I probably should have, so apparently it was faster than qw even with me playing some parts myself) 00:20:10 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:20:41 elliptic: just need to set up a bot-only official server :) 00:21:29 with no delay does it just hammer the CPU? 00:23:27 -!- Siegurt has left ##crawl-dev 00:25:07 -!- sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:56 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:27:51 yeah 00:29:09 probably the equivalent of a few dozen actively playing humans 00:29:33 -!- cybie04 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:33:56 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:37:50 -!- 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Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:26:21 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 01:29:28 You see here a pearl dragon hide. 01:29:35 whoops wrong channel 01:30:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:31:16 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:40:10 > WEST 01:45:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:46:27 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:45 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:19 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:27 -!- Kramin42 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:54 -!- Kramin has left ##crawl-dev 01:59:10 -!- Kramin42 is now known as Kramin 02:03:14 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09:12 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:12:16 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:35 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:38 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 05:47:09 Is there a learndb entry for searching git? 05:47:11 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 05:47:38 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:00 %git :/Volcano 05:52:01 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2156-g34da297: Make Volcano actually spawn its top-end enemy set 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34da29744313 05:54:21 Cryp71c: i think it works like standard grep so be wary of case sensitivity 05:54:28 -!- Simboubou has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:54:41 -!- Arisuudana has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:54:41 %git :/volcano 05:54:42 07wheals02 * 0.15-b1-12-g7023ac6: Improve portal sound messages. 10(2 weeks ago, 4 files, 7+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7023ac6356e5 05:54:44 i see lots of "%git :/olcano" searches because of that 05:54:48 johnny0, thanks for the heads up 05:55:01 johnny0, do you know if it has author searching? 05:55:32 no, i don't use it that frequently -- i typically just use |amethyst's web mirror and the search box 05:56:14 johnny0, I'm not familiar w/ amethysts' web mirror..do you have a url? 05:56:25 ??git 05:56:25 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 05:56:28 that last link 05:57:23 nice and lightweight, lets you filter and search subsections of the repo nicely 05:58:29 -!- ebarrett has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:58:55 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 05:59:34 -!- ebarrett has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:00:02 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:05 !tell |amethyst I can't install vs2012+ on this machine (s2k8 is unsupported) :( 06:01:05 johnny0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 06:01:32 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:03:52 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:05:16 -!- Cryp71c has left ##crawl-dev 06:05:19 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 06:08:01 !source spl-summoning.cc:1755 06:08:01 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc;hb=HEAD#l1755 06:09:20 motd 06:20:45 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:06 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:21:25 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:23:50 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:25:49 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 06:33:43 -!- RodericNull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:42:04 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:42:04 -!- [1]svendre is now known as svendre 06:43:32 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:44:00 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:23 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:51:23 -!- eb_ has quit [] 06:54:58 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:55:12 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:56:04 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:56:04 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:03 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:44 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:02:18 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:07 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:20:22 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:22:00 -!- InvalidUser has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:27:03 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 07:30:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:27 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.7.0/20140723063708]] 07:33:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:18 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:42 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:42:56 -!- rorriMnm1D has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:43:21 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:36 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:45:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:49:40 -!- velyks_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:26 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:55:35 Hi there. Is there any documentation for setting up a crawl server with webtiles? 07:58:59 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:51 <|amethyst> velyks_: incomplete, but https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles 07:59:57 Thanks. 08:00:48 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:05 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 08:01:36 <|amethyst> velyks_: if you have any questions or run into difficulties, feel free to ask me. TZer0 (CLAN) and johnstein (CBRO) can probably also offer advice 08:01:47 <|amethyst> velyks_: also feel free to edit that wiki page 08:02:38 Cool. Productivity at work has been too high recently, so i've decided a crawl server is the best way to solve this. Looks like a fair old task to get it running. 08:04:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:52 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:06:03 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:06:42 <|amethyst> velyks_: hm 08:06:51 <|amethyst> velyks_: actually, then, you can do simpler 08:07:05 <|amethyst> velyks_: that is for setting up an official server, with webtiles and dgamelaunch and so on 08:07:21 I'm just looking to set up a standalone webtiles server. 08:07:23 -!- Remus has quit [Client Quit] 08:07:42 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:07:45 <|amethyst> then look at webserver/README in the source 08:08:02 Thanks. I'll check it out 08:08:51 <|amethyst> it's more or less: 1. install python-tornado 2. make WEBTILES=y USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y (USE_DGAMELAUNCH isn't necessary) 3. edit webserver/config.py 4. run ./webserver/server.py 08:09:08 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:01 -!- radinms has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:14:52 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:16:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:20:28 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:34 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:22:22 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:27:17 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:27:34 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:47 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:30:31 velyks_: yea, the wiki page isn't 100% complete, but pretty it's pretty close for the basic stuff. I never got around to adding the instructions for setting up the rebuild scripts 08:31:24 or yea, follow |amethyst's simplified instructions for a basic server 08:32:15 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:32:22 I've gone through the steps about 7 times to set up 3 different servers on my VPS 08:32:40 Does it take much to run with minimal traffic? 08:33:55 my 2GB ramnode VPS handles traffic ok. each game takes like 2% ram 08:34:23 I'm probably on the low end of all the public servers 08:35:14 not sure how much bandwidth it takes though 08:35:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:36:40 a lot every time someone has to DL all the tiles, probably not too much otherwise 08:37:11 I'm not going to run out of that any time soon at least. 08:37:45 are you just wanting to create a server for you and your friends? or a public server? 08:45:21 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:45:29 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:48:54 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:14 Mostly for friends yeah. 08:54:45 -!- Quashie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:28 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:02:09 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:27 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:38 -!- Harkenn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:18 -!- broquain1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:52 -!- flowsnake_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:02 -!- CatPlusPlus has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:05 -!- Harkenn has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:06 -!- flowsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:13 -!- ebering has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:16 -!- broquaint has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:18 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:19 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:20 -!- flowsnake_ is now known as flowsnake 09:20:10 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:05 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Client Quit] 09:32:08 -!- Keskitalo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:35:23 -!- debo has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:39:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:46:10 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:46:21 -!- grit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:29 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:53:32 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:54:42 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:57:09 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:11 edlothiol: yeah, i thought about doing it that was, but it wasn't quite clear what else that would affect 09:57:34 i also imagine that it would need special handling on the webtiles side to get that to work 10:01:16 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:11:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:43 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:33 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:14:34 -!- [1]svendre is now known as svendre 10:14:34 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:18:28 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 10:21:52 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:38 -!- mattjd has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:17 <|amethyst> changing vgrdc might be problematic if there's a monster just at the edge; could cause out-of-bound drawing 10:27:41 <|amethyst> particularly if you have a 17-high map 10:28:14 <|amethyst> since, IIRC, many things assume that LOS cells will be within the drawn region 10:28:42 <|amethyst> in console that is (which means it also affects webtiles) 10:28:56 <|amethyst> not sure about local tiles 10:30:59 -!- mattjd has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:31:16 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:39:34 -!- Suzera- has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:41:12 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:42:26 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140817030204]] 10:43:08 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:26 Hello ^^ 10:43:51 I am having a little keyboard binding trouble with webtiles that I'm not having in the binary 10:44:44 Is anyone around that might be able to help? 10:44:57 <|amethyst> what's the problem? 10:45:20 I am using a french keyboard, first of all 10:45:53 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:46:24 The .14 binary for mac has no trouble with this, whereas in webtiles it doesn't seem to work 10:46:38 <|amethyst> the keyboard doesn't work at all? 10:46:42 No, it works 10:47:04 But some of the esoteric keys like '^' aren't recognised 10:47:36 <|amethyst> is ^ a dead key for you in the browser? out of the browser? 10:48:02 No, it works fine elsewhere 10:48:16 In the binary it works as intended 10:48:19 <|amethyst> I mean, you are typing ^ with ^ ? 10:48:25 <|amethyst> or ^^ or just ^ 10:48:35 It was in the help menu selection that I found this out 10:48:35 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:49:16 It wouldn't open the quickstart guide with '^' 10:49:40 <|amethyst> does ^^ or ^ work? 10:50:44 ^^doesn't do anything and ^ space says unknown command, as if I only pressed the space bar 10:50:51 <|amethyst> hrm 10:50:54 <|amethyst> what browser 10:51:00 Chrome, on mac 10:51:11 Should I try another browser? 10:52:37 <|amethyst> maybe; more likely, changing the keyboard layout would work. . . but there's probably a better way 10:52:55 <|amethyst> not sure if we have any other French webtiles players in-channel 10:53:05 <|amethyst> you might try ##crawl also 10:53:21 I asked in there first 10:53:26 A user referred me to here 10:53:33 <|amethyst> ah, hm 10:53:47 <|amethyst> do you have the same problem with ' and "? 10:53:53 I just found it strange that the binary is fine though the webtiles are not 10:54:12 <|amethyst> I have to imagine it's the browser trying too hard to be smart 10:54:23 These work fine 10:54:29 <|amethyst> or some extension or option that binds the caret key 10:54:41 Safari has the same issue, I just checked 10:55:12 Changing the character doll should be possible in webtiles, right? 10:55:22 <|amethyst> it is not possible 10:55:28 Okay, that would explain that 10:55:31 <|amethyst> would be nice, but no one has implemented it 10:55:49 <|amethyst> Reverie: go here and tell me what it says when you press ^ 10:55:52 <|amethyst> http://unixpapa.com/js/testkey.html 10:57:47 keydown keyCode=219 which=219 charCode=0 10:57:47 keyup keyCode=219 which=219 charCode=0 10:57:54 <|amethyst> that's the problem 10:57:58 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:58:01 <|amethyst> it's not sending the ASCII ^ 10:58:09 hmm 10:59:32 <|amethyst> if you press ^ at the map in crawl, does it do nothing or does it print your armour? 10:59:32 Yeah, it's just this key that's the problem 10:59:41 <|amethyst> err, not at the map 10:59:44 <|amethyst> the main play screen 10:59:53 It doesn't do anything 11:00:12 Not even Unknow command 11:00:17 unknown* 11:00:43 <|amethyst> 219 should be [ in every browser except opera 11:00:59 <|amethyst> charCode=0 is probably the problem 11:01:38 That's another problem key 11:01:41 [ 11:01:56 is alt-shift-( on the french keyboard 11:02:06 lol I know it's terrible 11:02:18 <|amethyst> what is ^ ? 11:02:37 It has a dedicated key together with � 11:02:46 <|amethyst> hmm 11:03:12 <|amethyst> elsewhere in the web browser, does ^ work? 11:03:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:56 Yes, the browser fully supports the keyboard 11:05:35 [ doesn't work in the binary either, but that's understandable 11:06:01 It can't read alt-shift keycodes 11:06:23 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:28 <|amethyst> does altgr-9 work? 11:06:33 <|amethyst> that's also ^, right? 11:06:45 altgr? 11:07:02 <|amethyst> how do you type œ ? 11:07:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:07:45 <|amethyst> ah, alt-shift-9 I guess 11:07:51 <|amethyst> based on what you said about [ 11:08:01 <|amethyst> (and I suspect then it won't work) 11:08:05 No, that's � 11:08:41 <|amethyst> I'd suggest filing a bug report on mantis 11:08:42 <|amethyst> ??mantis 11:08:42 mantis[1/1]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 11:08:58 <|amethyst> then hopefully someone with a Mac and a non-US keyboard can take a look 11:09:02 Okay 11:09:31 Œ is literally holding down O and selecting from a context menu on this OS 11:09:36 by the way 11:09:50 *sigh* I miss the US keyboard 11:10:52 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:16:20 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:20:16 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:22:29 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 11:23:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:24:22 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:37 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:38 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:29:53 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:58 -!- Reverie has quit [Client Quit] 11:30:47 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:37 -!- olowven has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:32:38 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:38 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:39:56 -!- vfoley has quit [Changing host] 11:40:32 -!- SkaryMonk1 is now known as SkaryMonk 11:43:13 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:39 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:51:03 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:58 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:56 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:57:27 -!- olowven_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:28 -!- kroki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:58:17 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-221-g1f9a834: Fix a crash with monsters drinking stacks of blood potions (qw). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f9a834a967d 12:00:37 -!- RodericNull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01:24 huh, an elliptic commit 12:01:31 also, sorry about that 12:02:05 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-92-ge76d556 12:03:13 sorry? I don't think the bug was your fault 12:03:23 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-92-ge76d556: Fix a crash with monsters drinking stacks of blood potions (qw). 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e76d556eedf6 12:03:27 well, rot.cc is mine 12:03:38 along with changing blood stack initialization to be lazy 12:04:01 oh, I didn't know that was a recent change 12:04:08 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 12:04:26 I did git blame enough to see that this crash with uninitialized blood would have been possible for the last 5 years 12:04:42 but didn't look into the initialization that closely 12:05:46 I have a complete rewrite of blood potions + chunk rotting sitting around - which is why I split out rot.cc in the first place 12:05:50 it's very buggy, though 12:06:44 current code is pretty ugly so a rewrite sometime would be cool :) 12:07:30 that statement is true regardless of the part of the code you're talking about 12:07:32 (: 12:07:59 rip 12:08:11 maybe I'll go back to that after I finish the frederick mon-speak.cc thing 12:09:20 ah, I found the commit where you removed the initialization 12:09:22 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:09:41 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-221-g1f9a834 (34) 12:09:48 I do think lazy initialization would be fine if the main code was cleaner 12:09:54 yeah 12:23:19 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:04 With a little more research it turns out SSH accepts the weird french keybindings but webtiles does not 12:27:53 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:01 -!- Behavioral has quit [Client Quit] 12:34:46 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:45 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:11 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:59 -!- ebering_ is now known as ebering 12:45:30 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:47:12 -!- rax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:19 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:03 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:52:49 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:01 !time 12:53:01 Time: Aug 18, 2014, 05:53:01 PM, UTC. 12:53:06 ??tournament 12:53:06 tournament[1/4]: The 0.14 tournament ran from 20:00 UTC Apr 11 to 20:00 UTC Apr 27. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.14/ Leaderboard (with nchoice list): http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.14/overview.html 12:54:50 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:56:50 rip tournament 12:58:34 the date was decided, we just don't have the new rules up 12:59:32 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:59:33 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 12:59:51 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:27 mostly I'd like to figure out a replacement for vehumet's banner 13:00:33 since I'm very unfond of it 13:01:52 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:02:38 really? this is the first I've heard of anyone disliking that one 13:03:06 (if you decided you want to be the one in charge then you can do whatever you want with it of course, though) 13:03:21 is there a Q banner? 13:03:24 I don't think that poopsocking is a thing that we really want to encourage 13:03:30 at least, it's not a thing that I want to encourage 13:03:34 ??? 13:03:37 vehumet 13:03:41 the poopsock banner 13:03:47 I don't know what that term means, sorry 13:03:55 not sure I want to know 13:03:56 oh. that probably speaks well of you 13:04:11 A question: are the options for SSH the same as those for webtiles? 13:04:33 it's just "playing games for very long periods of times, to the exclusion of common-sense and your well-being" 13:04:58 Reverie: you mean the rcfile options? 13:05:02 Yes 13:05:08 well, I don't see how that banner is more about that than the tourney in general is 13:06:03 afaik most if not all rcfile options are shared between tiles & console 13:06:05 but I doubt anyone is very attached to that banner either 13:06:21 there are some tiles-specific options 13:06:28 oh right, paperdoll stuff 13:06:30 like controlling minimap size and such 13:06:31 Any that would mess with keybindings? 13:06:44 shouldn't be anything that would affect keybindings 13:06:58 Okay, then this is an issue :c 13:07:31 Reverie: report it on mantis? 13:07:33 mantis?? 13:07:33 To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 13:07:33 I mean, your web browser might have stuff that would affect input 13:07:47 but rcfile shouldn't be relevant 13:08:00 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:08:40 elliptic: re qaz, I was still going with the invo title thing - it's a little close to ely's, but I think it's acceptable. (and no one has suggested a better one... or any alternatives at all, actually) 13:08:44 For some reason, tiles versions (binary and webtiles) don't like certain keybindings, whereas it works fine over console 13:08:50 I don't know what "the invo title thing" is 13:08:54 on a french keyboard, that is 13:09:09 oh, sorry 13:09:34 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:10:15 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-b1-92-ge76d556 13:10:48 something along the lines of 'reach the lair with an invocations title', 'win with an invocations title', 'win with three different invocations titles over the course of the tournament'. 13:11:13 Reverie: hm, you have the same keybindings issues in local tiles as in webtiles? 13:11:18 (since qaz is an invo-heavy god) 13:11:35 Yes, like with '[', for example 13:11:53 this is alt-shift-( on the french keyboard 13:12:28 And while SSH plays nicely with this, it looks like Tiles hates triple keybindings 13:12:30 what about local console? 13:12:40 This is the one I haven't tried 13:12:44 One second, I'll test 13:12:54 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:23 This is on Mac, btw 13:13:28 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:41 PleasingFungus: "win with x title" is a bit lame because there is so much experience later on that this just means "don't accidentally raise a different skill above 26.9 first" 13:14:16 It works just fine in local console 13:14:57 it's potentially meaningful in 3-rune games, I think 13:15:12 PleasingFungus: also the "three different invo titles" isn't much different from "three times with an invo title" given that changing invo title on orbrun is easy (by changing title, converting to another god, or just abandoning) 13:15:19 however I do like invo titles :) 13:15:40 !lg . won sk=invocations s=title 13:15:41 36 games for elliptic (won sk=invocations): 15x Faith Healer, 6x Bringer of Life, 4x Bringer of Light, Traitor, Luminary of Lethal Lore, Unwound Gargoyle, Scum, Jester, Corrupter of Planes, Sinner, Abyss-Baptised, Royal Jelly, Genius of the Arcane, End of an Era 13:15:43 dang 13:16:00 those are good titles 13:16:02 !title scum 13:16:02 Jester win? 13:16:03 lol 13:16:04 scum: Invocations (Jiyva) 13:18:12 elliptic: yeah I know it's easy to play around with your title at the last moment; not sure how much of a problem that is 13:18:27 !lg * t0.14 won sk=invocations s=title 13:18:28 28 games for * (t0.14 won sk=invocations): 7x Bringer of Light, 4x Faith Healer, 3x Bringer of Life, 2x Immaculate, 2x Genius of the Arcane, Purifying Kobold, Champion of Chaos, Demon Slayer, Eternal Night, Purifying Orc, Envoy of Void, Corrupter of Planes, Practitioner, Bringer of Law, Blasphemer 13:18:34 wow not many 13:18:45 okay I approve of anything that increases that number 13:19:16 that was my secret third motivation for the banner 13:19:18 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:52 "win with an invocations title that nobody has achieved yet this tournament" would be sort of cool 13:21:05 probably not a good idea though 13:21:15 well there are a... lot of invocation titles 13:21:22 considering you can just drop a star or two of piety 13:21:32 yeah, running out of titles wouldn't be a problem 13:22:49 yeah, I don't know how fun that'd be to actually play for 13:22:51 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:57 PleasingFungus: anyway if you can decide on banners/any other rules changes by thursday or friday, that will probably be enough time for me to code things and get scripts up to date :) 13:26:20 and announcing the tourney a week beforehand is soon enough I think 13:28:44 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:30:06 French (AZERTY) keyboard troubles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8885 by Reverie 13:30:35 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:01 !ls * ikiller=~mnoleg s=kmap 13:36:08 !lg * ikiller=~mnoleg s=kmap 13:36:08 42 games for * (ikiller=~mnoleg): 41x, mnoleg 13:36:14 ....huh 13:36:28 !lg * ikiller=~mnoleg s=cv 13:36:28 42 games for * (ikiller=~mnoleg): 9x 0.12-a, 4x 0.11, 4x 0.11-a, 4x 0.10, 3x 0.13, 2x 0.16-a, 2x 0.13-a, 2x 0.14-a, 2x 0.8, 0.7, 0.14, 0.9-a, 0.9, 0.12, 0.6, 0.8-a, 0.7-a, 0.10-a, 0.15-a 13:36:52 well I have to admit, that's counterintuitive 13:37:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:39:24 well I was going to modify that vault (mnoleg), but seeing as how it actually has the most kills, I think I'll just keep it as-is 13:39:51 !lg * ikiller=mnoleg s=map 13:39:51 42 games for * (ikiller=mnoleg): 15x evilmike_mnoleg_eyes, 13x mnoleg_st, 9x mnoleg, 4x, mnoleg_grunt 13:39:51 no, that's not what that means 13:40:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:40:01 ... 13:40:08 gammafunk: kmap doesn't handle summon kills, I believe 13:40:14 ah 13:40:14 hehe 13:40:20 thanks for that 13:40:24 41x, mnoleg means that there are 41 with '' and one with 'mnoleg' 13:40:36 doy: yes, that too; I missed that 13:40:48 that being the ", " I guess 13:40:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:10 !lg * ikiller=mnoleg s=kmap / killer=mnoleg 13:41:10 9/42 games for * (ikiller=mnoleg): 8/41x [19.51%], 1/1x mnoleg [100.00%] 13:41:23 !lg * recent ikiller=mnoleg s=kmap / killer=mnoleg 13:41:23 0/9 games for * (recent ikiller=mnoleg): 0/9x [0.00%] 13:41:27 elliptic: yeah, looks like a week beforehand is what we did last time, and that works for me 13:41:33 just need to come up with some bright ideas 13:41:57 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:42:06 !lg * kmap= killer=mnoleg s=cv 13:42:12 8 games for * (kmap= killer=mnoleg): 3x 0.12-a, 2x 0.11-a, 0.9-a, 0.11, 0.8-a 13:42:16 thanks for volunteering to do all the scriptstuff etc, btw! 13:42:24 are those 8/41 kills orb run kills? 13:42:47 !lg * ikiller=mnoleg s=kmap,place / killer=mnoleg 13:42:47 9/42 games for * (ikiller=mnoleg): 8/41x (8/40x Pan [20.00%], 0/1x Zot:2 [0.00%]), 1/1x mnoleg (1/1x Pan [100.00%]) 13:42:59 no 13:43:05 hrm, then why is kmap empty? 13:43:08 not sure why they don't have a kmap, yeah 13:43:24 !lg * kmap= ikiller=mnoleg killer!=mnoleg s=cv 13:43:27 33 games for * (kmap= ikiller=mnoleg killer!=mnoleg): 5x 0.12-a, 4x 0.10, 3x 0.11, 3x 0.13, 2x 0.13-a, 2x 0.16-a, 2x 0.8, 2x 0.14-a, 2x 0.11-a, 0.15-a, 0.6, 0.7-a, 0.7, 0.9, 0.12, 0.14, 0.10-a 13:43:34 Does the SSH version have message functionality like webtiles? 13:43:54 it has a completely distinct message functionality 13:43:56 Reverie: yes, but more limited 13:44:23 How do I utilise it? 13:44:40 when spectating someone in ssh, press m 13:44:50 and hit ? to see other commands 13:44:53 while spectating 13:44:58 when playing in ssh, press _ to read messages 13:45:09 when playing, people usually reply to messages by writing notes with : 13:45:45 unfortunately, there is currently no easy way of seeing webtiles messages while playing via ssh or vice versa 13:45:59 well there's ?: 13:46:08 h;; 13:46:14 hmm* 13:46:19 gammafunk: aren't the defaults such that that doesn't work? or did they change again 13:46:20 but maybe that doesn't even work if chat messages aren't logged 13:46:26 heh, yeah can't remember 13:46:38 _ doesn't do anything on SSH 13:46:47 it only does something if you have a message to read 13:46:49 by default webtiles messages are not logged 13:47:02 !locate reverie 13:47:02 reverie was last seen on CAO (Reverie, L1 HaAs of No God). 13:47:10 Reverie: you'll see in an "_" indicator at the top-right of your screen when you have one 13:47:19 Okay 13:47:37 I'm watching my own game through webtiles and trying to message my SSH game 13:47:42 you have to take a step 13:47:46 I messaged you too :) 13:47:58 Oh, okay 13:48:05 lol I forgot about screen refreshing 13:48:22 Except only your message went through :p 13:48:47 it is possible to message yourself, so I'm not sure what went wrong for you 13:49:17 when you press m while spectating you should get a prompt "Enter your message here. It is to be one line only and 78 characters or less." 13:49:18 Huh 13:49:26 only works if logged in 13:49:29 Right 13:49:35 I'm logged in twice 13:49:42 on both webtiles and SSH 13:50:05 Can you jump on webtiles and try messaging me there? 13:50:06 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:11 oh, you can't message that way while spectating on webtiles 13:50:13 Maybe it doesn't like Reverie-ception 13:50:23 you need to spectate in ssh 13:50:23 ohhh 13:50:33 on webtiles you just have the chat, which an ssh player can't see 13:50:44 I thought the two were interchangeable 13:50:47 nope 13:50:49 unfortunately no 13:50:52 oh well :c 13:50:58 nrook was working on unifying them, but he gave up after realizing he didn't know javascript 13:51:53 It would have been a decent consolation for my keyboard troubles to play through SSH, if only I could see what people watching me in webtiles were saying 13:52:26 I could probably just watch my own game anyway and respond via proxy 13:52:38 yeah, that's a thing some people do 13:52:43 not ideal 13:52:50 there are basically two solutions to that: either spectate yourself in webtiles to see the chat, or change an rcfile option to log tileschat and use ?: to see it 13:53:25 I'm a newb to changing rc 13:53:37 I'll go and look for the option 13:53:44 note_chat_messages = true 13:53:58 just add that line somewhere in rcfile 13:54:28 (rcfile is shared in webtiles and ssh, so you can edit it in either one) 13:54:28 and then reply by writing your own notes 13:54:36 For the SSH version, right? 13:54:37 I always forget the command for that 13:54:58 okay 13:55:37 Do I have to preclude it with a #, like everything else? 13:55:43 no 13:55:47 Or are those commented out 13:55:49 ok 13:55:49 lines beginning with # are commented out, yes 13:55:54 which means they don't do anything 13:56:12 classic debugging tactic: comment out every line 13:56:14 PleasingFungus: write own notes with : 13:58:53 ty 14:00:23 Ouch, the logging isn't much better 14:00:33 There's no notification that people are talking 14:02:16 Reverie: yeah, if I want to see tiles chat, I usually play by having my console window over my browser window with the chat box open 14:02:53 I wish I knew Javascript so I could integrate the two 14:02:58 since the console window is small, it's easy to see the chat, and you can e.g. alt-tab to get to the chat window 14:02:59 It -sounds- trivial 14:03:21 Yeah, and we have the added bonus of seeing the graphical dungeon alongside the ASCII one 14:04:01 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:05 hrm, isn't the issue a bit more on the console side, as in how do you show the messages in console? 14:04:25 The same way it shows the SSH messages through console 14:04:34 that'd be terrible 14:04:42 that messaging is for single-line messages 14:04:53 tiles chat is often much more...chatty 14:05:02 you'd really want a small window in the consol area 14:05:29 you couldn't really fit enough text in the space that's available 14:05:38 I suppose that's true 14:05:40 I could ask nrook what his plan actually was, but idk who'd implement it (I know these concerns were brought up) 14:05:54 Maybe a pop-up window over the game with a chatlog 14:05:57 i think making the ?: screen update dynamically would be better 14:06:06 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:06:31 yeah given text sizing, I suppose it'd be really hard to make a chat window work in console 14:07:24 hrm, well, really just have a full-width pane below the game message area 14:07:27 Maybe not, if it took up most of the console screen 14:07:44 A pop-up window with a keybinding 14:07:50 right 14:07:54 it'd really need to be a separate window 14:07:58 rather than always visible 14:08:26 well probably the only way that'd work would be if messaging was just through irc 14:08:39 hmmm? 14:08:39 otherwise I'm not sure how a console app is supposed to have a pop-up window 14:08:56 the same way any other menus or whatever are shown 14:09:01 Pretty much 14:09:32 well I'm saying I'd find chat too annoying to use if I have to hit a keystroke to see it (and which overwrites the gameplay screen) 14:09:41 Writing a message wouldn't require having the window open, for example 14:09:42 with console + browser I can glance at chat 14:10:04 well... i'd find chat too annoying to use if it took up space on the 80x24 terminal screen 14:10:06 (: 14:10:15 has hugeterm's time finally come...? 14:10:36 no, we'd make the gameplay still 80x24 I guess, but the terminal size would be larger to accomodate the chat 14:10:56 probably totally messes up ttyrecs though 14:11:17 nrook's plan was just making a separate small chat page you can have open in a browser without spectating the whole game 14:11:20 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:25 ahh 14:11:28 cunning 14:11:37 and notifying the ssh player in some way if they have webtiles chat 14:11:46 ah yeah 14:11:49 that'd work of course 14:12:03 hrm, how is it much different than just spectating in the end 14:12:13 just unifying the messages I guess 14:12:33 Unifying it sounds the most elegant 14:13:39 Well I console had a way to hit a key to pop up a menu to see tiles chat messages, that'd be ok, but I'd still just spectate my console games, because that'd be a lot more convenient 14:13:54 there would only be one messaging system if console was removed..... think about it 14:13:56 ; ) 14:14:08 just remove tiles and tiles players, problem solved 14:14:14 only good players remaining with that solution 14:14:40 idk about that 14:14:50 !lg Zermako s=tiles 14:14:51 5628 games for Zermako: 4782x true, 846x false 14:14:54 heh 14:14:57 This is one roguelike where tiles is actually a decent option 14:15:09 Reverie: we uh...we're not being serious 14:15:20 I'd agree with you about most others 14:15:21 :p 14:15:30 I am extremely serious about everything I say. 14:15:40 n.b. PleasingFungus always lies 14:15:45 * PleasingFungus removes gammafunk! 14:18:03 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23:23 -!- coolbeans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:27:15 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 14:27:33 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:27:57 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:29:41 whatever happened to the idea of removing bolt of cold 14:30:58 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:31:11 I was just floating the idea. might still push for it at some point; didn't really see any strong counter-arguments. 14:31:23 but it's not going to happen until 0.16 at any rate. 14:33:19 wouldn't removing bolt of fire make more sense because bolt of magma is a thing? 14:34:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:50 my argument was that (a) bolt of cold is one of three level 6 multi-target damaging ice spells 14:34:58 i'd be fine with removing both of them, really 14:35:03 they are fairly boring 14:35:41 fire has fireball as a level 6 multi-target damaging fire spell 14:35:46