00:01:40 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-88-g52b554c 00:04:45 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06:22 fr: liches should be able to cast any spell, rather than being limited by a spellbook 00:07:01 panliches 00:07:07 -!- slitherrr has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:03 and really, ancient liches are probably one of the least problematic monsters on that list 00:08:53 both because they have such a strong history, and 'ancient' is at least marginally more interesting than 'giant', and because i don't think "liches, but moreso" is a particularly bad design for a monster 00:10:06 sure 00:10:32 just saying it's gonna be real hard to come up with a name that describes aliches while not also being "liches but better" 00:10:54 yeah, i think it's fine if they stay how they are 00:11:26 !send doy emperor liches 00:11:27 Sending emperor liches to doy. 00:12:01 (bad idea: give Boris increasingly high level spells every time he respawns) 00:12:05 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:32 good idea: make boris actually respawn 00:12:37 his stomping grounds are too small these days 00:12:45 and his spawn rate too low (insofar as that's a thing) 00:13:07 did it get adjusted down at some point? 00:13:15 or is it just the fewer levels that's an issue 00:13:21 I had code at one point to allow uniques a chance to spawn as random spawns if they didn't previously exist (for the primary purpose of Boris spawning, naturally). 00:13:22 the latter 00:13:37 It was an ugly ugly mess but it got the job done >_> 00:14:10 ugh 00:14:14 I don't understand this speech code 00:14:39 the order in which it removes prefixes seems random 00:14:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:15:39 sometimes it goes ((((hostile) god) place) monstername) 00:16:11 and sometimes it removes place first, instead of god 00:16:12 http://pastebin.com/zQ5UAX61 00:16:25 I don't get it at all and it's seriously crimping my style!! 00:16:35 !send PleasingFungus style 00:16:35 Sending style to PleasingFungus. 00:16:52 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:54 hm. let's say I'm not gonna chase down this weirdness and can't guarantee "No God monstername" being checked before "monstername". 00:18:15 How do I keep some set of lines only appearing for non-atheists? 00:21:35 also, i've never actually run into ignacio in-game, but looking at the code, it appears that you can just leave him behind in a pan level, and then he's gone forever 00:21:37 and that seems boring 00:21:51 changing that would probably be an improvement, yes 00:21:57 though he's not that exciting even if you do encounter him 00:22:04 he's an executioner with an executioner's axe 00:22:10 which is kind of funny 00:22:13 doy: that isn't true unless something changed 00:24:29 elliptic: the last time I checked the code it happened 50% of the time for some reason. 00:24:41 hm, it looks like this changed, yeah 00:24:43 I think it may have changed though? 00:24:45 indeed 50% 00:26:12 oh, wait, no 00:26:22 this should work as I thought 00:26:46 which is that he will keep on appearing forever as long as he appears once 00:26:54 it is just confusing code 00:27:07 the 50% is his chance of existing in a given game of crawl 00:27:44 how do you search for learndb entries for a specific string? thought it was s?? 00:27:50 ?/ 00:27:56 Ty 00:29:19 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29:38 doy, Grunt: basically if Ignacio spawns once, then that means that dgn.persist.ignacio_spawned = true and dgn.persist.ignacio_forbid = false, and then uniq_ignacio never gets vetoed again until you kill him 00:32:40 elliptic: but at the beginning 00:32:48 it checks you.uniques("Ignacio") 00:32:51 and always vetos if that's true 00:32:59 that is whether you've killed him, no? 00:33:21 i thought that was whether he has spawned 00:33:56 yeah, uniques checks you.unique_creatures, which is set in mon-place.cc 00:34:25 really? I'm quite sure this code worked at one point 00:34:35 and the rest of it doesn't make much sense if that is true 00:34:50 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-178-g7475c50 00:34:58 it's certainly possible i'm just misunderstanding something 00:38:39 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:10 I think kilobyte and everyone who has looked at the code since 50fa62c5 must just have been confused about what you.uniques() did 00:40:32 okay. monster speech. let's say I want to define a function that, if the player has a god, returns the given text, and otherwise returns "@_foo_generic_". where in monspeak.txt would I stick the definition? 00:40:42 elliptic: it's kind of a bad name 00:40:42 since it sets "unique_found" i think doy is correct 00:40:47 I've been confused by it myself 00:41:28 PleasingFungus: well the distinction isn't important in any other place in which it is used 00:43:42 oh, actually 00:43:51 doy: take a look at _do_lost_monsters() 00:44:10 does that handle ignacio? 00:46:05 it looks to me like it should 00:46:40 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:47:26 so really you.uniques() means "that unique is dead or exists on a persistent level" 00:47:35 er 00:47:39 oh, interesting 00:47:49 I guess abyss could be another special case 00:48:21 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:52 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:53 well, count abyss as persistent there 00:49:04 since uniques abandoned in abyss are saved too 00:50:05 so yeah, looks to me like things should be working properly with Ignacio... of course it would be nice if someone who has played more Pan recently than I have could confirm that Ignacio will spawn more than once if not killed 00:53:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:58:17 !apt mp 00:58:17 MP: Sp: 3!, DE: 3!, HE: 2, Dg: 2, Fe: 2, VS: 1, Te: 1, Fo: 1, Mu: 0, Ha: 0, Ds: 0, Op: 0, Dr: 0, Hu: 0, Ko: 0, HO: 0, Vp: 0, Mf: 0, Gr: 0, DD: 0, Na: 0, Og: 0, Gh: -1, Ce: -1, Mi: -2*, Tr: -2* 00:59:19 he does 00:59:23 as of 0.15 01:00:13 I have seen him, ignored him, then found on another level 01:03:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:04:11 cool, thanks for the confirmation 01:10:28 -!- Shard1697_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11:37 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:12:03 augh 01:12:11 !source mon-speak.cc:116 01:12:12 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-speak.cc;hb=HEAD#l116 01:12:14 here it is 01:14:01 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:03 also, whoever wrote this file is literally the devil 01:17:52 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:24:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:27:00 !source _try_exact_string 01:27:02 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-speak.cc;hb=HEAD#l40 01:27:16 !source mon-speak.cc:178 01:27:16 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-speak.cc;hb=HEAD#l178 01:27:26 the optional parameters here are never, ever passed 01:28:41 -!- AwkwardGrant has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:43 -!- flowers has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:36:06 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:39:48 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:41:20 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:47:33 -!- giganticus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-179-g90b15e8: Nerf D:2 angels (Person Dyslexic) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90b15e826796 01:47:51 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-89-g4eeb942: Nerf D:2 angels (Person Dyslexic) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4eeb9422dbb1 01:49:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49:52 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140810030204]] 01:56:43 -!- flower has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:56:53 -!- sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:47 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:04:03 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04:54 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:09:09 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:33 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11:56 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:18:10 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-89-g4eeb942 02:22:33 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:25:08 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:31:46 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:46:21 kraken (05X) | Spd: 21 | HD: 16 | HP: 276-347 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Dam: 75 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 2317 | Sp: berserker rage; spawn tentacles, 04esc:ink cloud | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 02:46:21 %??kraken perm_ench:berserk 03:12:03 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:13:29 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 03:17:38 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:18:58 -!- PalythWork has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:19:14 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:22:11 -!- excalibur03 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:23:08 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:01 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:39:04 -!- Doomturtle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:24 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:47:36 -!- Palyth has quit [] 03:53:50 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:56:44 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:58:29 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:58 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:05:08 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:10:10 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:20:49 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:50 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:25:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 04:27:51 question 04:28:04 what list is being talked about in terms of renaming various monsters? 04:28:44 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32:10 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:37:34 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET ΆΖ Zero IRC ΆΖ Ver 2.9G] 04:37:49 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38:16 are spectral shapeshifters supposed to retain their shapeshifting ability? 04:46:41 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:37 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:14:16 Crashes upon opening 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8880 by spankymuffin 19:14:16 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:16 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 19:14:16 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 19:14:34 when i've got a stronger handle on coding i'm going to try make it so monsters can use evocables other than wands :V 19:14:52 can't they already? 19:14:57 like rings and stuff 19:14:58 yeah, certain ones 19:15:09 rods only I guess 19:15:14 many should be off-limits though 19:15:21 i mean the elemental evocables and decks and stuff too 19:15:21 <|amethyst> monsters using decks sounds broken 19:15:30 yeah probably not decks 19:15:46 why not 19:15:46 <|amethyst> I would recommend not renaming the kobolds 19:15:50 "The minotaur uses a lamp of fire!" 19:15:52 dang 19:15:56 i'm not renaming them to not kobold 19:16:00 kobolds 19:16:05 because decks do weird, very player-centric things 19:16:12 just giving them suffixes like say, the spriggan baker 19:16:19 some cards could be ok, but balance is hard there 19:16:55 you could probably just give them a set of monster-specific effects 19:17:20 <|amethyst> %bug 6979 19:17:20 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6979 19:17:21 that's not really a good idea; cards are already too much of special-cased effects 19:17:21 there's a slight bit of precedence with the polymorph effects 19:18:00 adding more unique effects just so we can say "monsters can use decks" isn't great; I could see certain cards I guess but how would monster draw from them exactly, especially for cards they should never use 19:18:21 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:21 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:18:40 evokers are more possible since that's a clear effect that works in theory for monsters, it's just not making it insanely dangerous 19:18:43 but that's at least doable I guess 19:19:38 <|amethyst> st_: why didn't you touch the spriggan baker in the vault redefinition purge? 19:20:13 what's this vault purge you speak of 19:20:16 <|amethyst> oh 19:20:39 getting rid of useless monster redefinitions 19:20:50 <|amethyst> I guess it removed one but not the other 19:21:43 what do you define as a useful monster redefinition :v 19:21:57 just a name change with no change in spells or HD or whatever 19:22:11 i.e. otherwise exactly the same tactically as the original monster 19:23:27 are there any examples of this useful monster redefinition 19:23:37 sickly siren (11m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 3 | HP: 15-24 | AC/EV: 4/12 | amphibious, 07vault | Res: 06magic(28), 12drown | XP: 31 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:23:37 <|amethyst> %??sickly siren 19:23:41 siren (11m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 71-96 | AC/EV: 4/12 | amphibious | Res: 06magic(121), 12drown | XP: 933 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:23:41 <|amethyst> %??siren 19:23:46 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:23:50 i think the sickly siren/malarial mermaid in sewers count, they have significantly less HD 19:23:52 yeah there we go 19:24:25 decayed bog body (03n) | Spd: 10 (swim: 140%) | HD: 3 | HP: 15-24 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 25, 412(cold:3-8) | 07undead, 10doors, amphibious, evil, spellcaster, 07vault | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire, 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 50 | Sp: throw frost (3d5), slow, corpse rot | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:24:25 <|amethyst> %??decayed bog body 19:24:41 that juevenile spriggan druid? 19:25:07 cigo's monster as well 19:25:53 are there many monsters that are redefined to have different spells, i know sprint has a few 19:26:31 mad acolyte of Lugonu (09p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 45-81 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, spellcaster, 07vault | Res: 06magic(85) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1303 | Sp: smiting (7-17), blink other, invisibility, malign gateway, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:26:31 <|amethyst> %??mad acolyte of Lugonu 19:26:34 phase bat (09b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, !sil, 07vault | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sp: blink | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 19:26:34 <|amethyst> %??phase bat 19:26:46 deep elf elementalist (13e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 52-77 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, 07vault | Res: 06magic(112) | XP: 1565 | Sp: iron shot (3d26), sum.air elementals, sticky flame range (3d6), sum.water elementals, haste, 04esc:blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:26:46 <|amethyst> %??deep elf elementalist 19:27:06 ah, yeah 19:27:22 <|amethyst> and all kinds of statues 19:27:27 one time i wanted to vault-define a kraken with spells but it turns out it just keeps hitting itself with its tentacles 19:27:35 i thought most of the statues got purged 19:27:39 hitting itself in its tentacles, rather 19:29:29 <|amethyst> a statue without redefinition of some kind is pointless 19:29:45 <|amethyst> it sits there creating an exclusion and does nothing 19:29:52 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:30:19 yeah, i was thinking a separate purge had gone through to get rid of most of them since even the redefined ones were kind of lackluster 19:30:27 might be wrong though 19:30:39 <|amethyst> yeah, I think a lot of them were eliminated 19:30:54 I ran into an ocs vault that had a ring of granite statues 19:31:07 that ring of statues probably should go 19:31:34 -!- st_ has quit [] 19:31:53 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:52 <|amethyst> hm, this is strange 19:33:10 <|amethyst> make an OCS and a granite statue or a grate 19:33:22 <|amethyst> stand so that the grate is between you and the OCS 19:33:26 <|amethyst> The orange crystal statue fixes its piercing gaze on something. 19:33:26 <|amethyst> You feel dopey. 19:33:26 <|amethyst> _Something feeds on your intellect! 19:33:32 heh 19:33:57 -!- Keanan is now known as siegurt 19:34:23 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:34:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:35 <|amethyst> I guess the latter "something" is supposed to be like that 19:35:41 <|amethyst> but the first is wrong 19:36:04 hrm, but you can see the ocs? 19:36:29 Not sure why the second shouldn't be "The orange crystal statue feeds..." 19:36:39 -!- siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 19:36:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it's always "something" for brain feed 19:36:44 ah ok 19:36:57 I guess that shouldn't be the case, but then again few things can do that 19:37:05 <|amethyst> hm, "the giant eyeball stares at you" 19:37:07 it's not like you don't know what's doing it, if it's visible 19:37:13 <|amethyst> through a statue 19:37:16 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:13 <|amethyst> Norris gestures at you while chanting. 19:38:15 okeydoke 19:38:24 <|amethyst> so it's something specific about statues? 19:39:25 nah 19:39:40 brain worms and neqoxecs feed on intellect the same way 19:39:41 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:39:41 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:04 <|amethyst> hrm, and an ocs with smiting gives "The orange crystal statue fixes its piercing gaze on you." 19:43:24 -!- InvalidUser has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:34 <|amethyst> wait a minute 19:43:41 <|amethyst> now it's working 19:44:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:59 <|amethyst> yeah, now I can't reproduce the "on something" message 19:45:18 <|amethyst> hm 19:46:27 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:46:33 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:34 <|amethyst> it's targetting the wrong spot 19:47:33 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 19:47:34 <|amethyst> I guess this might be related to moving myself and the statue around in wizmode 19:50:19 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:53 Small error with the shift g function 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 by EugeneJudo 20:00:47 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:57 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:57 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-183-g2075953: don't warn when stumbling around near friendly plants (7333) 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2075953fc072 20:07:08 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:07:14 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 20:07:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:09:31 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:12 <|amethyst> doy: I'm not sure that's safe 20:10:27 <|amethyst> Are you sure you want to stumble around while confused and next to the 20:10:27 <|amethyst> non-hostile wandering mushroom? 20:10:27 <|amethyst> Your shield and scale mail prevent you from hitting the wandering mushroom. 20:10:27 <|amethyst> The wandering mushroom releases spores at you! 20:11:04 hmmm, weird 20:11:17 <|amethyst> oh, I guess mushrooms swap, not pass though 20:11:22 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:11:23 <|amethyst> s/though/through 20:12:03 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:02 <|amethyst> doy: it does seem fine after all, forgot that fedhas_passthrough only applied to stationary monsters 20:13:25 <|amethyst> I did just notice that you get no warning for ctrl-dir when confused and adjacent to a friendly 20:13:37 <|amethyst> even though you can in fact hit the friendly 20:15:14 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 20:15:22 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:40 <|amethyst> (also, you can walk through hostile plants?) 20:19:31 <|amethyst> Hm, re #8881, what should be the behaviour of GL0 when you're on (say) Lair:4 20:19:51 <|amethyst> should it take you to Lair:1 on the upstairs, or D:whatever on the lair entrance? 20:20:02 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:22:30 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:23:30 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 20:24:22 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:24:29 <|amethyst> I guess on the lair entrance is most consistent 20:35:25 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:28 this seems a bit harsh for D:1 http://i.imgur.com/GTAjZyX.png 20:35:51 chalk it up to just bad luck? or worth mentioning on mantis? 20:36:05 !lg * 20:36:06 3477315. bobdog the Ducker (L1 FeBe of Trog), slain by a giant newt on D:1 on 2014-08-17 01:35:09, with 3 points after 176 turns and 0:01:15. 20:36:10 er 20:36:13 !lg johnstein 20:36:13 176. johnstein the Cutter (L1 DEBe of Trog), slain by a demonic crawler on D:1 (erik_arrival_cave_to_civilisation; erik_arrival_cave_to_temple) on 2014-08-17 01:30:21, with 5 points after 241 turns and 0:01:34. 20:37:27 ouch 20:37:34 <|amethyst> hm, how did it get out? 20:37:38 i'm guessing a teleport trap spawned in the demon pen area 20:37:41 I have no clue 20:37:45 <|amethyst> oh 20:37:45 ooh 20:37:58 that seems to be a problem lately, see: the angel that got loose on d:2 20:42:29 %git :/angel 20:42:29 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-b1-89-g4eeb942: Nerf D:2 angels (Person Dyslexic) 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4eeb9422dbb1 20:42:43 guess we need to nerf D:1 demonic crawlers too 20:43:27 do we really, though 20:45:23 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:49:13 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:54:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:55:34 -!- cybie04 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:56:21 heh 20:56:36 man, if you can kill it, nice level ups 20:57:16 I think the T-1 or pan lord got out of wheal's pan lord entrance vault that he later removed 20:58:38 good lord 20:59:14 idea, put a high-tier demon that can't fly or use ranged attacks on an island behind lava, put a polearm right next to it, D:1 arrival vault 20:59:30 hell beast 20:59:30 like the old-school MfAK trick 21:07:10 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:07:20 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:56 -!- Maleous has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:13:20 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:41 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:01 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:19:06 nicolae-: or the older-school "cast mephitic cloud at an army of stranded monsters" trick 21:19:17 I think I even bug-reported that one (maybe only informally on IRC), it seemed so wrong 21:20:05 if mephiticizing a bunch of stranded monsters so they all drown themselves like lemmings is wrong, then i don't want to be right 21:20:15 int:high monsters don't stumble around near water, but others do 21:20:20 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 21:21:27 nicolae-: well the bug was that there was a vault full of stranded high-level monsters 21:21:38 which AFAICT basically had no purpose other than free exp to people who knew meph 21:21:55 i see 21:22:42 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:52 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:31:16 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:08 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:34:47 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:40:02 -!- dtsund is now known as dtsundere 21:40:08 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 21:40:32 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:41:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:45:23 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:46:02 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:52:10 -!- AwkwardGrant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:52:55 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:55:46 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:56:17 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:54 -!- Sky___ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:52 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00:22 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:02:30 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:31 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:31 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:05:52 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:09:47 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17:52 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:22:31 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:22 -!- codrus has quit [Client Quit] 22:30:51 huh, interlevel travel is actually quite a bit smarter than i thought it was 22:33:47 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:40 how so? 22:38:43 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 22:39:30 it can go up and down arbitrarily far if it makes you get to your destination faster 22:40:15 like if going up, then traveling to a different staircase and going down and then traveling to the endpoint takes less time than just traveling to the endpoint directly 22:40:22 really, for some reason i thought it looked at each level individually 22:40:31 maybe i read that, then someone fixed it 22:40:52 I thought it never took more staircases than it had to? 22:41:32 you can adjust how much it does stuff like that through the travel_stair_cost option 22:42:12 I mean, doesn't it prompt you when it is forced to take a staircase in the wrong direction? 22:42:31 e.g. when you have a disconnected level 22:42:37 i think it only does that if it has to travel to a level that's not in between the current and the target 22:42:40 but i could be wrong 22:42:47 i'm not looking at that part of the code 22:43:00 isn't that what you were saying it does, though? 22:43:03 I'm very confused 22:43:11 like if going up, then traveling to a different staircase and going down and then traveling to the endpoint takes less time than just traveling to the endpoint directly 22:43:23 no, i mean, if you're traveling from level 2 to level 5, it can go 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 22:43:24 this involves traveling to a level that isn't in between the current and the target 22:43:25 or whatever 22:43:31 aha 22:43:34 depending on the stair placement 22:43:43 that sounds more plausible 22:43:57 it can also take escape hatches on any of those transitions other than the final one 22:44:01 if you know where they lead 22:44:03 I thought you were saying that it does 2 -> 3 -> 2 (which can also be faster than just staying on 2) 22:44:13 (but I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that) 22:44:16 no, for intralevel travel it won't take stairs 22:44:27 unless necessary 22:44:55 right 22:49:05 is there a reason for that? it sounds like it could be a reasonable option, at least 22:49:43 traveling between levels can be more dangerous than staying on the same level 22:50:12 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:50:21 in particular, traveling to levels that you didn't explicitly request to travel to 22:50:42 you might have lured an ogre up the stairs or something 22:51:28 true... perhaps the best solution would be a toggle in-game and a "pre-travel trail" on the X map updating as you move the cursor, like brogue does 22:52:12 yeah, maybe 22:52:57 a pre-travel trail sounds pretty useful anyway now that i think about, need to get someone to program it 22:53:12 i was actually just thinking about something like that 22:53:24 i recently implemented a similar thing for autoexplore 22:53:40 Xo will move the cursor to the next position that autoexplore wants to travel to 22:53:51 something similar for travel could be useful 22:55:44 also: "get someone to program it"? 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