00:01:42 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-72-gf4ed420 00:01:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:55 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:04:16 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-140-g49c2c94 (34) 00:09:35 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 00:10:52 -!- Slowpoke_Man has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:56 -!- djanatyn has quit [Excess Flood] 00:10:57 -!- Kaput has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 00:10:59 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 00:11:10 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:13 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:14:03 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14:03 -!- ZRN_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:04 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:12 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 00:18:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 00:20:23 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:00 does anyone happen to know where the logic is that avoids adding "the" to unique names even when DESC_THE is used 00:21:15 this grammar code is just impossible 00:22:17 it's in the unique definition I think 00:22:17 johnstein: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:22:38 I ran into a similar issue when screwing around trying to create a new unique 00:22:48 "the Helen approaches" 00:22:55 no, i mean 00:23:00 where is the code that actually does that 00:23:06 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:23:07 ooooh 00:23:08 oops 00:23:10 :p 00:23:18 hm 00:23:21 !source thing_do_grammar 00:23:22 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/directn.cc;hb=HEAD#l2929 00:23:32 not this 00:23:38 good function name 00:23:49 -!- phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:24:00 somewhere in itemname.cc probably 00:24:01 oh, maybe that 00:24:07 isupper(desc[0]) 00:24:11 that's probably it 00:24:11 Grunt: for unique names? 00:24:14 ahaha 00:24:17 that is the dumbest hack 00:24:20 oh 00:24:22 seriously 00:24:30 I'm reading "unique" as "artefact" 00:24:34 somehow 00:24:34 maybe 00:24:37 I should go to sleep <_< 00:24:45 good night :) 00:24:45 time for another entry for "crawl code" on twitter? 00:25:01 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:21 imho that starts_with blox is something else 00:25:36 "starts_with bloax" 00:25:42 .... 00:25:45 ...block 00:25:47 maybe i need to sleep too 00:25:49 hi 00:25:49 (at least that one is understandable) 00:26:00 !send sleep PleasingFungus 00:26:01 Sending PleasingFungus to sleep. 00:26:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140810030204]] 00:26:22 rip 00:27:17 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:58 thing_do_grammar is just such an awesome function name 00:28:28 !source thing_do_grammar 00:28:29 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/directn.cc;hb=HEAD#l2929 00:29:11 make_grammar_work_good 00:29:49 also 00:30:11 thing_do_grammar lives in directn.cc, which is described as "functions used when picking squares" 00:31:23 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 00:32:55 also also 00:33:11 thing_do_grammar seems to only be used for dungeon features, not monsters 00:33:14 for some reason 00:34:00 good crawlcode 00:35:45 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:37:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:03 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:43:08 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:23 Grunt: http://i.imgur.com/4TuQNHY.png the wrath of qaz......... 00:43:30 instead of sleeping I spectated a guy 00:44:16 -!- runewalsh has quit [Client Quit] 00:49:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:52:52 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 00:53:02 aha, actually found it this time 00:53:25 !source mon-info.cc:1056 00:53:25 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-info.cc;hb=HEAD#l1056 00:53:34 uniques typically have MB_NAME_UNQUALIFIED set 00:59:00 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:00:45 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140810030204]] 01:06:42 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11:22 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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02:44:08 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-142-gf2d8537: corpses are inedible for non-vamps if the chunks are inedible (5040) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2d8537d7a41 03:04:33 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:43 <|amethyst> ... 03:05:56 <|amethyst> scoring scripts seem to be screwing up again :( 03:17:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:18:18 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:20:30 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:21:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:22:34 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:09 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:27:06 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:27:11 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:40 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:16 -!- epsik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:35:31 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:10 -!- hypermattisgay 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Horribles icon (Bloax) 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=98981755b7c0 08:54:35 03ontoclasm02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-75-g4bcc167: Nemelex icon color contrast (Bloax) 10(8 days ago, 5 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bcc16779af3 08:55:55 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:46 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:46 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:24 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:00:35 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:05:30 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:07:49 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:51 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:30 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:09:34 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:58 Petrified player can be trampled backwards 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8872 by Skrybe 09:10:30 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:49 fr option to autoexplore to every corpse without following a corpsesac god 09:14:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:01 just being able to inscribe corpses would do it 09:22:32 -!- grit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:24:13 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:24:34 -!- ilyak_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:25:17 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:27:54 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:29:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:30:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:51 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Client Quit] 09:32:13 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:42 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:39:48 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 09:44:12 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:17 why can't you inscribe corpses 09:47:28 gross!!!! 09:47:49 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:51 <|amethyst> hm 09:48:06 yes 09:48:13 my entrance is most intriguing 09:48:43 <|amethyst> if item_needs_autopickup didn't always return false for stationary items, setting them to autopickup might work 09:48:52 <|amethyst> except I suspect there would be infinite loops 09:49:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:03 oh no, breaches in the infinity! 09:50:12 the logic already exists to travel to corpses, because of sacrificing 09:50:24 <|amethyst> doy: to travel to any item your god likes 09:50:24 seems like it shouldn't be hard to have an option that extends that, or something 09:50:34 |amethyst: sure 09:50:43 <|amethyst> yeah, a new option would be not too bad 09:50:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:50 i'm just saying, i don't see where the infinite loops would come in 09:51:14 oh, actually you can inscribe them 09:51:19 but =g does nothing 09:51:50 <|amethyst> doy: not sure if the pickup code would handle complete inability to pick up the item, but I guess it already had to handle those cases because of pack size 09:51:59 <|amethyst> =g is ignored for stationary items 09:52:05 <|amethyst> !source item_needs_autopickup 09:52:06 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/items.cc;hb=HEAD#l2710 09:52:18 how many stationary items are there apart from corpses? 09:52:25 <|amethyst> nets that are trapping something 09:52:28 oh 09:52:37 <|amethyst> (you in particular :) 09:52:49 which has some strange effects with lava 09:53:18 You hear a sizzling splash. 09:53:33 <|amethyst> Mmm, breakfast 09:53:47 I guess I could inscribe them with something weird that causes me to stop when autoexploring over them 09:53:54 but that still doesn't allow me to actually seek them 09:54:38 i wonder if just removing that check for stationary items would work 09:55:14 also the fact the chunks get inscribed too doesn't exactly help 09:55:37 <|amethyst> doy: hm, I'd test with an ally trapped in a net 09:55:37 sigh, I think someone is having fun with apache on CLAN. 09:55:44 in fact an inscription on a chunk that triggers force_more has some rather... odd hehaviour 09:55:50 (when attempting to eat it) 09:56:10 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:14 <|amethyst> doy: to make sure it doesn't make greedy autoexplore repeatedly try to swap with that monster 09:56:34 |amethyst: ah, that's a good point 09:56:42 <|amethyst> I guess it wouldn't be repeated anymore 09:56:49 <|amethyst> I fixed that bug a few weeks ago 09:57:11 <|amethyst> %git 119cbf9 09:57:11 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2013-g119cbf9: Stop exploring/running when cancelling ally swap (#8768) 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=119cbf9ebd36 09:58:13 on a related note, i wonder if we could just remove =g as a special inscription 09:58:27 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:58:32 yeah i was gonna suggest that 09:58:43 probably was more useful before the new \ menu 09:58:48 it behaves very oddly, and there are multiple other ways to get that behavior already 09:58:50 well, "new" 09:58:51 yeah, maybe 09:58:56 <|amethyst> there are plenty of things you can't do with the \ menu 09:59:10 <|amethyst> care about brand for example 09:59:14 you can do those things with lua though 09:59:17 <|amethyst> yeah 09:59:21 <|amethyst> or just autopickup_exceptions 09:59:23 right 09:59:28 how do you inscribe something on the ground with a specific brand 09:59:55 and once you can inscribe it, why do you need to autopickup it :) 10:00:02 right 10:00:42 it doesn't seem like we'd lose any functionality at this point if autoinscribing only happened on item pickup 10:00:52 and it feels like that would simplify a lot of things 10:01:04 unless i'm forgetting about something 10:01:31 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 10:01:34 <|amethyst> =g does override ISFLAG_DROPPED 10:01:44 does !D prompt on casting tornado near a monster holding it and near lava? :P 10:01:55 |amethyst: that seems more annoying than anything else 10:02:20 it is 10:02:37 when you constantly try to pick up an item you don't want and your inventory is full 10:03:34 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:39 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:04:48 also, why is itemname passed in there at all 10:05:08 that looks like some failed refactoring 10:06:07 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:37 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:07:46 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:10:03 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10:05 <|amethyst> doy: well, at least lack of refactoring after another caller that did want the itemname was removed 10:10:40 looks like it used to be an optimization, actually 10:10:49 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-144-g13dc9f5: no reason to be passing this in here 10(in the future, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13dc9f5e1b2d 10:11:17 _is_option_autopickup used to be two functions for force and deny, and so it passed the string into both so that they wouldn't both have to calculate the item name 10:11:24 <|amethyst> aha 10:11:28 <|amethyst> I think your clock is off :) 10:11:43 heh 10:12:30 <|amethyst> BTW, autopickup probably needs larger changes now that item destruction and weight don't exist 10:12:42 how so? 10:12:46 <|amethyst> I saw a suggestion to turn on autopickup of any item you already have in your inventory 10:12:57 <|amethyst> and to turn off autopickup of any kind of item you drop 10:13:26 <|amethyst> the latter might be a bit much, but I don't see any problems with the former 10:13:34 the former would be a trivial lua script 10:13:36 <|amethyst> any stackable item I should say 10:15:06 <|amethyst> yeah, not necessarily large in terms of code 10:15:41 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:17:13 one thing that i would like to see revisited is how autopickup and colouring relates to default config 10:17:45 changing defaults that you don't like seems unnecessarily annoying at the moment 10:18:27 like, you can't just do "menu_colour += magenta:.*artefact.*" in your config, because the default already sets artefacts to white 10:18:42 you have to explicitly do -= with the exact regex beforehand 10:18:47 which is very non-obvious 10:21:47 https://github.com/doy/conf/blob/master/crawlrc#L161-L186 for instance 10:22:03 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:22:36 good comment 10:22:56 you can also do ^= 10:23:22 in fact i think ^= might make more sense as the default, i can't think of many places where i even want +=? 10:23:36 what does ^= do 10:24:05 i imagine that whatever it does, it still requires you to know the exact regex that the default config uses 10:24:12 prepends (and options that accept it look at the first match, so usually the stuff you prepend) 10:24:18 oh, okay 10:24:20 yeah 10:24:30 that was going to be my suggestion, actually 10:24:40 maybe list options should look at the last match, not the first 10:24:42 or just reverse the order that things look at 10:24:45 yeah 10:25:31 and there's also autopickup_exceptions which has a < overrides > rule or something that bypasses the order 10:26:32 one thing i'm wary about is breaking all current rcfiles, though 10:27:04 right 10:28:20 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:28:22 -!- hypermattisgay has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:28:35 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:17 Picking up a lantern of shadows won't remove copies from your shopping list. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 by Kvaak 10:38:41 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:41 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:40:28 -!- M1zzu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:28 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:28 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:28 -!- Surr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:42:28 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140810030204]] 10:47:44 <|amethyst> the autopickup_exceptions default-drop is dumb 10:47:53 <|amethyst> err, drop-overrides rather 10:48:06 <|amethyst> it would be significantly more expressive if it used order instead 10:48:40 <|amethyst> one problem with reversing the order of searches is that it would change the meaning of even single-line current configs 10:48:51 <|amethyst> list_opt = a, b, c for example 10:49:18 <|amethyst> not that I have any love for the current semantics 10:49:38 <|amethyst> whether earlier or later entries take precedence depends on the particular option 10:49:57 yeah, i think i'd be okay with breaking everything if it meant we made everything work the same way 10:50:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:15 we've done it before, anyway 10:50:22 the last time list options were redone 10:50:25 so 10:51:10 <|amethyst> at least there we were able to detect and warn about things that would change semantics 10:51:16 true 10:51:21 <|amethyst> and there was a long deprecation period 10:51:29 <|amethyst> maybe that was too conservative though :) 10:53:14 <|amethyst> solution: rename every single option 10:53:23 heh 10:58:05 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:42 -!- allbefore has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:59:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:51 !send sleep PleasingFungus 11:01:52 Sending PleasingFungus to sleep. 11:01:55 rip 11:01:57 ! 11:04:45 I was thinking about renaming wasp names. 11:04:49 ...that sentence went wrong 11:05:03 anyway, "yellow wasp" and "red wasp" feel a bit "brown snake", if you know what I mean. 11:06:10 "red wasp" -> "hornet" 11:06:11 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:07:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:09:54 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:37 giant wasp and megawasp 11:12:52 Superultramegawasp 11:13:13 oh yeah, what ever happened to megabats 11:13:26 giant wasp and demon hornets?????????? 11:13:27 They're still used in that bat vault, aren't they? 11:13:49 they didn't produce enough megahertz and so they were cut out for inefficiency 11:14:19 tenda is correct 11:14:23 <|amethyst> doy: %git a1422f39 11:14:25 <|amethyst> err 11:14:27 <|amethyst> %git a1422f39 11:14:29 07zaba02 * 0.9-a1-123-ga1422f3: Rename megabats to bats. 10(3 years, 3 months ago, 25 files, 53+ 58-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1422f39c19a 11:14:50 <|amethyst> I should make Chei understand %foo 11:14:52 <|amethyst> err 11:14:58 <|amethyst> : %foo 11:15:08 hm. "the original purpose of renaming them" 11:15:10 �berwap 11:15:13 wasp 11:15:43 %git 3ec65dc05b 11:15:44 07due02 * 0.8.0-a0-4731-g3ec65dc: Giant bats are now megabats. 10(3 years, 7 months ago, 29 files, 51+ 51-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ec65dc05b30 11:15:46 "the original purpose of renaming them" was because they were "giant bats" 11:15:48 which was dumb 11:15:50 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15:51 rip 11:16:00 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:26 why did people object to megabats in a game with toenail golems 11:16:38 I will explain 11:16:44 NO FUN ALLOWED 11:16:45 %git 714192de90 11:16:46 07kilobyte02 * 0.8.0-a0-5420-g714192d: Cats are not pandas, no kung-fu. 10(3 years, 6 months ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=714192de90a4 11:16:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:17:35 alternate answer: bats are quite a bit more common, and earlier, than toenail golems, and they're silly in a way that's arguably less funny 11:17:40 (they = megabats) 11:18:27 well 11:18:27 hrm, also, why is that 0.9-a1 rather than a0 11:18:33 megabats are a real thing though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabat 11:18:40 * wheals doesn't really understand our tagging system 11:19:12 doy: yes, but in that sense, it's a very "clinical" and "scientific" name for crawl (remember, these are appearing alongside goblins & kobolds!) 11:19:25 also, trying to use "megabat" as both "giant bat" and "bat" feels like trying to have your cake & eat it too 11:19:40 goblinus hobus 11:20:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:20:03 "ballistomycete" 11:20:05 but i suppose 11:20:58 ballistomycetes' silly scientific name matches their equally silly "dungeon ecology" gameplay role 11:21:27 should also do something about "giant newt" and "giant gecko" 11:21:45 remember when they didn't spread like all hell has broken loose and actually gave you more than a dungeon maid medal 11:22:10 also "green rat" and "orange rat" 11:22:14 giant newt -> salamander 11:22:21 <|amethyst> :P 11:22:22 "giant cockroach", "giant mite" 11:22:25 salamander (04N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 8 | HP: 42-81 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 1704(fire:8-15) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(42), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 524 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:22:25 %??salamander 11:22:28 we have a lot of boring monsters 11:22:30 good idea 11:22:31 (: 11:22:31 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:37 <|amethyst> I liked "megabat" 11:22:44 megabat is just plain silly 11:22:46 which is ok 11:22:48 fr: normal sized mites 11:22:52 I would support changing all of those names, yes 11:22:54 megabat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 2 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, 07vault | Res: 06magic(2) | XP: 10 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:22:54 %?Megabat 11:22:54 -!- MDvedh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:22:56 <|amethyst> and like "ballistomycetes" 11:22:59 bat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:22:59 %?Bat 11:23:00 unknown monster: "dwarf mountain bat" 11:23:00 %?dwarf mountain bat 11:23:03 what 11:23:12 dwarf mountain bat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, 07vault | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:23:12 <|amethyst> %0.10?dwarf mountain bat 11:23:14 dwarf mountain bat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, 07vault | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:23:14 <|amethyst> %0.11?dwarf mountain bat 11:23:17 dwarf mountain bat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, 07vault | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:23:17 <|amethyst> %0.12?dwarf mountain bat 11:23:20 unknown monster: "dwarf mountain bat" 11:23:20 <|amethyst> %0.13?dwarf mountain bat 11:23:23 rip 11:23:27 unknown monster: "Megabat" 11:23:27 %?Megabat hd:6 11:23:31 also, a reminder: if you haven't read giant mites' description, you should 11:23:33 unknown monster: "negabat" 11:23:33 %?negabat hd:6 11:23:36 uh 11:23:40 unknown monster: "megabat" 11:23:40 %?megabat hd:6 11:23:41 <|amethyst> Bloaxor: can't use those with vault monsters 11:23:45 ;-; 11:24:05 bat (15b) | Spd: 45 | HD: 6 | HP: 20-44 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(8) | XP: 144 | Sp: berserker rage | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:24:05 %??Bat hd:6 perm_ench:berserk 11:24:05 <|amethyst> hm 11:24:11 damn 11:24:13 <|amethyst> that gives me an idea for a command 11:24:13 still 1 11:24:27 "giant frog" 11:24:29 <|amethyst> damage doesn't scale with HD, no 11:24:38 "giant eyeball" 11:24:41 out of hell bat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:24:41 %??bat perm_ench:inner_flame name:out_of_hell n_adj 11:24:45 well berserk didn't raise it beyond 1 11:24:47 oops 11:24:47 <|amethyst> doy: porcupine, but those are inherently funny creatures 11:24:51 bat out of hell (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:24:51 %??bat perm_ench:inner_flame name:out_of_hell n_suf 11:24:51 <|amethyst> doy: likewise quokkae 11:25:01 |amethyst: well, i'm just going through ones with boring names 11:25:06 BAT FROM HELL (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:25:06 %??bat perm_ench:inner_flame name:BAT_FROM_HELL n_rpl 11:25:07 quokkas cannot be changed and are extremely correct. 11:25:08 porcupines are at least a thing 11:25:09 porcupine is a lot more specific than "giant frog" 11:25:26 please remember: they have nanomanipulators. 11:25:34 <|amethyst> %git :/macropod 11:25:34 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-1711-g92186bd: Improve flavour of reanimated macropods. 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=92186bdbb780 11:25:38 "big kobold" 11:25:59 that i'll give you 11:26:02 big kobolds are like 11:26:03 why 11:26:12 big kobolds are in 1.1! 11:26:14 i think 11:26:19 big kobold (08K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 16-38 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 7 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 97 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:26:19 %??Big kobold 11:26:24 kobold (07K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(1) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 11:26:24 %??Kobold 11:26:26 big kobolds are big 11:26:28 for kobolds 11:26:41 why not just make them kobold warriors 11:26:59 is that actually more interesting? 11:27:01 kobold corporals 11:27:07 plus, it wouldn't make it as obvious that they're a size larger 11:27:09 <|amethyst> ko 11:27:12 meaning they can use halberds, etc :) 11:27:26 I've seen this occur! It's relevant! 11:27:29 PleasingFungus: but they aren't big 11:27:29 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:35 "medium kobold" 11:27:41 l. 11:27:42 [09:26] PleasingFungus big kobolds are big 11:27:43 "greater naga" and "ancient lich" are kind of on the edge 11:27:44 [09:26] PleasingFungus for kobolds 11:27:53 greater nagas: like nagas, but moreso 11:27:59 greater naga (13N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 15 | HP: 59-103 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 703(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1815 | Sp: b.venom (3d19), mystic blast (3d19), haste, poison arrow (3d22), teleport other, 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Large | Int: high. 11:27:59 <|amethyst> %??greater naga 11:28:02 naga mage (06N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 7 | HP: 27-51 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 403(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(56), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 416 | Sp: b.venom (3d12), mystic blast (3d13), haste, poison arrow (3d14), teleport other, 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 11:28:02 <|amethyst> %??naga mage 11:28:05 why not greater mummy 11:28:10 wheals: oh, that too 11:28:12 unknown monster: "naga sorcerer" 11:28:12 <|amethyst> %??naga sorcerer 11:28:20 greater mummies are even a bit misleading since they aren't priests 11:28:32 wheals: what do you mean 11:28:36 unlike the thing they're "greater" than 11:28:40 oh 11:28:47 wheals: "since they are priests" you mean? 11:28:55 huh, they are? 11:28:56 I never assumed they were specifically greater than mummy priests 11:28:56 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 186-210 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6192 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:28:56 <|amethyst> %??greater mummy 11:28:59 just greater generally 11:29:03 guardian mummy (08M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 36-54 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(46), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 329 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 11:29:03 <|amethyst> %??guardian mummy 11:29:05 mummy priest (05M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 10 | HP: 52-76 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1092 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:29:05 %??mummy priest 11:29:09 mummy (15M) | Spd: 6 | HD: 3 | HP: 15-24 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 18 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:29:09 <|amethyst> %??mummy 11:29:16 oh, huh 11:29:26 i always just assumed greater mummies were stronger mummy priests 11:29:36 considering they have the same spellbook and same death curses 11:29:43 exactly my poiny :) 11:29:45 point 11:29:56 also, i think their death curses are slightly stronger 11:29:57 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30:00 yeah, probably 11:30:14 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:23 greater, even 11:31:01 ("white imp", "blue devil", "red devil", "orange demon", "green death") 11:31:08 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:23 -!- XV88 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:31:41 ?/orange 11:31:42 Matching terms (9): giant_orange_brain, orange, orange_brain, orange_crystal_plate, orange_crystal_plate_armour, orange_crystal_statue, orange_demon, orange_rat, orange_statue; entries (26): 4[1] | food[2] | glasses[1] | gob[1] | herd_card[1] | hill_giant[1] | lesser_servant[1] | ocpa[1] | ocs[1] | orange_brain[1] | orange_crystal_plate[1] | orange_crystal_statue[1] | orange_demon[1] | orange_stat... 11:31:45 -!- Ystah has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:46 !send doy blue deaths 11:31:47 possibly crimson imp too 11:31:47 Sending blue deaths to doy. 11:31:49 iron troll (10T) | Spd: 7 | HD: 16 | HP: 68-107 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 35, 25, 25 | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire, 02cold | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 775 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 11:31:49 %??iron troll 11:31:56 ??orange 11:31:56 hill giant[1/1]: Big orange C with big orange clubs that hit for big orange damage and can be big orange trouble in melee. Sometimes carries a big orange throwing net. 11:31:57 PleasingFungus: i already fixed that one! 11:32:03 iron trolls are fine. they're made of iron! or vaguely iron related, at any rate 11:32:06 doy: :) 11:32:10 i think i found a bug, RMsL is active for a ton of time 11:32:11 fr: allow lrd on iron trolls 11:32:18 Ystah: you did not find a bug 11:32:24 and stone giants? 11:32:29 PleasingFungus explain 11:32:37 Ystah: have you read the spell description 11:32:57 wheals: really, i think the low-hanging fruit are "foo, but moreso" and "color foo" 11:33:02 ??iron troll hd:21 perm_ench:berserk name:metal_troll n_rpl 11:33:03 I don't have a page labeled iron_troll_hd:21_perm_ench:berserk_name:metal_troll_n_rpl in my learndb. 11:33:08 god 11:33:08 damn it 11:33:11 metal troll (10T) | Spd: 10-11 | HD: 21 | HP: 129-207 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 52, 37, 37 | 10doors, regen, !sil | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1092 | Sp: berserker rage | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 11:33:11 %??iron troll hd:21 perm_ench:berserk name:metal_troll n_rpl 11:33:12 oh, it changed 11:33:19 yep :) 11:33:23 all fear the metal 11:33:44 xp: 1092 11:33:46 wow what a ripoff 11:33:55 xp calculations are hilarious 11:33:59 well, red/blue devils at least do have their own gimmicks 11:34:19 just silly names, since all they mean is what they resist 11:34:31 wheals: well, right, all i'm referring to is the names 11:36:41 name reform, a noble goal 11:37:11 speaking of xp calculations, i should check on how the serpent of hell ends up 11:37:31 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:36 hm. 4e2fb71eca533c I wonder if this could be reverted. it seems like you could fix the problems described just by making the base type a MR ring...? 11:37:47 is this jiyva ring? 11:38:01 %git 4e2fb71 11:38:01 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1251-g4e2fb71: Revert "The Slimy Ring of Jiyva" 10(9 months ago, 7 files, 2+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e2fb71eca53 11:38:04 it is! 11:38:13 I'm skimming through old commits for no particular reason 11:38:24 i think one thing you need to do is make it not give MR if jiyva is dead even? 11:38:34 bat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sp: glaciate (10-24) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:38:34 %??bat spells:glaciate 11:38:39 dang 11:39:09 Master Batster (15b) | Spd: 45 | HD: 27 | HP: 77-112 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(36) | XP: 3543 | Sp: glaciate (10-180) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:39:09 %??bat name:Master_Batster hd:27 perm_ench:haste spells:glaciate 11:39:29 enjoy death 11:39:30 wheals: the description claims that's not what it did? 11:39:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:47 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:48 " rMut ceases to function if you murder Jiyva. " 11:39:55 oh, ok 11:40:17 i guess one weird thing is whether it generates if jiyva is already dead 11:40:27 I mean, honestly, I'm not sure it's all that interesting a ring even if jiyva is alive 11:40:33 "rmut contam mr" is not great 11:40:52 it just seemed a pity to revert it for such shoddy reasons 11:40:57 maybe rmut evolution 11:41:04 wait no that's dumb 11:41:20 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:22 -!- Ystah has left ##crawl-dev 11:41:28 haha 11:42:15 -!- bencryption_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 11:42:24 permanent evolution:3 11:42:26 megabat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 2 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, 07vault | Res: 06magic(2) | XP: 10 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:42:26 <|amethyst> %??megabat 11:42:28 the megabat: bat name:megabat n_rpl n_des n_spe n_noc hd:2 tile:mons_megabat 11:42:28 <|amethyst> %??spec: megabat 11:42:41 megabat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 2 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly, 07vault | Res: 06magic(2) | XP: 10 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:42:41 %?Megabat 11:42:44 <|amethyst> (not supported by older versions, sorry) 11:43:01 contam evo:3 would be a... weird ring 11:43:08 the master blaster: ancient lich name:Master_Blaster n_rpl hd:30 hp:1500 col:lightmagenta spells:fire_storm;fire_storm;glaciate;miasma_breath;teleport_self 11:43:08 %??spec:master blaster 11:43:20 <|amethyst> hm, need to do something about that "the" 11:43:45 unknown monster: "fruity bat" 11:43:45 %??spec:fruity bat 11:44:10 unknown monster: "fruity bat" 11:44:10 <|amethyst> %??fruity bat 11:44:15 the phase bat: bat name:phase n_adj n_des n_spe col:lightgreen spells:blink tile:mons_phase_bat 11:44:15 <|amethyst> %??spec: phase bat 11:44:50 the drunken dwarf: dwarf name:drunken n_adj n_des n_noc perm_ench:confusion 11:44:50 %??spec:drunken dwarf 11:45:31 <|amethyst> there we go 11:45:36 drunken dwarf: dwarf name:drunken n_adj n_des n_noc perm_ench:confusion 11:45:36 <|amethyst> %??spec:drunken dwarf 11:45:51 |amethyst: <3 11:46:27 conjurer statue: statue hd:12 spells:orb_of_destruction tile:mons_statue_mage col:vehumet name:conjurer n_adj 11:46:27 %??spec:conjurer statue 11:46:47 unknown monster: "the statue of wucad mu" 11:46:47 %??spec:the statue of wucad mu 11:46:57 hm, what was it called 11:47:05 statue of Wucad Mu: orange crystal statue name:Statue_of_Wucad_Mu n_rpl n_the hd:20 hp:80 tile:mons_wucad_mu_statue spells:brain_feed;drain_magic;mass_confusion;shadow_creatures;shadow_creatures;. 11:47:05 %??spec:statue of Wucad Mu 11:47:19 oh, n_the 11:47:20 n_the 11:47:21 <3 11:47:28 fr: n_it 11:47:38 n_smth 11:47:46 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:53 !send roctavian greetings 11:47:53 Sending greetings to roctavian. 11:48:17 !send Grunt salutations 11:48:18 Sending salutations to Grunt. 11:48:50 oklob plant conjurer: oklob plant hp:30 name:conjurer n_suf spells:stone_arrow;.;.;.;iskenderun's_mystic_blast actual_spells 11:48:50 %??spec:oklob plant conjurer 11:49:00 withered plant: col:darkgrey plant name:withered n_adj tile:mons_withered_plant 11:49:00 %??spec:withered plant 11:49:10 unknown monster: "petrified plant" 11:49:10 %??spec:petrified plant 11:49:31 !source dat/des/branches/lair.des 11:49:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des;hb=HEAD 11:50:14