00:00:49 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-68-gf78be9d 00:01:50 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:00 huh 00:02:08 does corrosive bolt do damage in two steps? 00:02:15 yeah 00:02:22 it does the direct damage, then an acid splash 00:02:24 acid is weird 00:02:37 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-132-g7085e1e (34) 00:02:44 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:45 the messages don't really make that clear 00:03:37 what are the messages exactly? I forget 00:03:47 you get "The bolt of acid hits you! The acid burns! Ouch! That really hurt! Ouch! That really hurt!" 00:04:09 hm 00:04:12 that's a little weird 00:04:36 probably "the acid burns" should come a little later 00:04:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:52 message ordering ): 00:04:57 :) 00:06:35 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: glaciate (10-132), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 00:06:35 %??lom lobon 00:06:48 @?lom lobon 00:06:48 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: glaciate (42d1), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 00:06:50 !source bolt::affect_player 00:06:51 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l3457 00:06:57 you'd need to fuck around in here 00:06:58 "42d1" 00:07:10 oh, that was fixed 00:07:13 looks like 00:07:15 yeah, looks like it 00:08:00 Antaeus (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 700 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:22-65), 3012(cold:22-65) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: flash freeze (3d29), b.lightning (3d25) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 00:08:00 %??antaeus 00:08:13 3d29 is still respectable 00:08:29 considering that it slows your movement 00:08:35 so does glaciate 00:08:38 and antaeus hitting the hardest of everything 00:08:45 which is what i'm comparing against 00:08:49 given that the serpent has three other breath weapons 00:08:58 *two other 00:09:01 I think it does not need one of them to be glaciate 00:09:05 (: 00:09:19 :) 00:13:18 there, I *think* that works 00:13:56 oh, heh, dazzlespray still uses the old formula when it comes to confusing players 00:13:58 rip 00:14:52 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:58 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:57 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-133-g9761782: note "three-headed" in serpent of hell descriptions 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9761782f2028 00:15:57 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-134-g582def4: better message for crystal spear breath 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=582def4c78f8 00:15:57 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-135-g36991b1: swap out flash freeze for glaciate 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=36991b141dae 00:16:04 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-132-g7085e1e (34) 00:17:19 the non-cerebov pan lords also do not have great kill ratios 00:17:34 although not really sure how much can be done about that 00:21:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-133-g4233139: Reorder acid effects (doy) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=423313931866 00:21:07 mostly kill ratio results is just an artifact of the fact that more careful players get further into the game 00:21:18 Patashu: sure 00:26:09 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-69-g54028f3: Reorder acid effects (doy) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54028f32050a 00:26:16 h m m m 00:26:59 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:27:03 Patashu: alternatively, players get more careful further into the game 00:27:33 SamB: you clearly don't watch the same people I do 00:27:34 |amethyst: http://sprunge.us/XQfS this is intermittently creating bad_items - the relevant code destroy_item(*item, true); is at the bottom 00:27:37 (it's true for some people but not in general) 00:27:52 well, okay, it's not really an alternative 00:28:10 but another thing that does happen for some people, or so I like to think :-( 00:28:58 any thoughts on why? it's the same code as shows up in the current error code, but that code isn't used, so maybe it's rotted? 00:30:29 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:30:56 -!- Arkive has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:31:15 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-134-g3487c1a: remove useless 1% failure chance for gr and dr flight 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3487c1a93005 00:31:56 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:33:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think destroy_item is probably far lower level than you want 00:33:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: probably unlink_item ? 00:33:54 ok, I'll give it a shot 00:34:00 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:34:20 what's the function to get its mitm index? 00:34:25 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-134-g3487c1a 00:34:50 <|amethyst> item_def::index but it had better be in mitm :) 00:35:11 given i just pulled it out of item_mimic_at(pos), I'd... hope so? 00:36:02 <|amethyst> yeah 00:36:27 I fucking love clang 00:36:45 mon-util.cc:1026:25: error: member reference type 'item_def *' is a pointer; maybe you meant to use '->'? 00:36:46 mon-util.cc:1026:26: error: reference to non-static member function must be called; did you mean to call it with no arguments? 00:36:48 In fact, I did and I did! 00:37:45 hm. should mimic cackling make noise? 00:38:04 at the very least, it should probably be suppressed by silence 00:41:15 <|amethyst> I don't know about making noise, but the message could use the monspeech db 00:42:01 <|amethyst> though maybe that's more trouble than it's worth 00:42:26 <|amethyst> I guess it's probably easier to do the alternation (silent versus non-silent) in code 00:43:24 right now there's four possibilities, split between (spawned smoke | failed to spawn smoke) and (cackled | was silenced) 00:43:35 mimics are confusing 00:48:24 -!- Davens has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:49:36 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:52 -!- read has quit [Quit: installing dependencies, eugh cygwin] 00:54:17 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:36 -!- CreepingCrawled has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:58:48 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:00:50 heh 01:00:57 I set the noise very low - 4 01:01:10 which means that there is a decent chance that, in lair, they won't make any noise at all even without silence 01:01:14 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:16 h 01:02:10 lair has an unusually high level of ambient noise 01:02:26 specifically it has 4, which I believe is currently the highest of any branch (rip hive) 01:02:42 oh, orc has the same 01:03:21 4 noise is like 01:03:22 0 noise 01:03:23 imo 01:03:27 ya 01:03:56 I am attempting to choose a number that will exceed ambient noise but not be significant otherwise 01:04:00 since it is basically just cackling 01:04:39 oh, shit, that's a lot of unlinked item warnings 01:05:18 yeah, |amethyst, the unlinking thing doesn't seem to be doing its job properly? 01:05:53 I'm getting warnings for every mimic-associated item every time I load 01:07:38 the non-cerebov pan lords also do not have great kill ratios 01:07:38 although not really sure how much can be done about that 01:07:48 that's mostly because cerebov has a lot more hp than the others 01:07:55 !tell PleasingFungus what's your plan for addressing the really bad part of mimics, making you check mimickable items and features in advance? 01:07:55 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:08:02 if mnoleg had cerebov hp he'd probably get a lot more kills 01:08:25 and gloorx and lom might even get more kills than cerebov 01:08:33 !tell minmay pls don't beg the question 01:08:34 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:08:34 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let minmay know. 01:08:35 gloorx almost certainly 01:08:45 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:09:17 PleasingFungus: that was a question, not an argument. you can tell this by the fact that it has a question mark on the end 01:09:17 minmay: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:09:29 why even have mimics if they're just going to disappear 01:09:33 you may as well just remove them at that point lol 01:09:37 Patashu: because they're funny 01:09:38 PleasingFungus: you can consider it a loaded question I guess since I said "really bad part" but you can ignore that part if you want and the actual question is still there! 01:09:43 !messages 01:09:43 (1/4) johnny0 said (5w 2d 13m 11s ago): I WONDER WHICH GAME THAT EXPLOIT WORKS FOR!! 01:09:48 5 w 2 d ago 01:09:50 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:09:54 !messages 01:09:55 (1/3) PleasingFungus said (4w 23h 21m 58s ago): I do have to pile on to the complaints about distortion now too though. Getting hit by a minotaur's spear on the first attack and immediately abyssed is no bueno. Especially since the attack didn't even deal damage but still was enough to abyss me for some reason. 01:10:01 !messages 01:10:01 (1/2) PleasingFungus said (4w 23h 21m 56s ago): Then when I escaped the abyss he teleported me with his next attack and I had to go find him again. Then after I killed him I got teleported yet again by some strange effect I don't even know when I was right on top of the loot pile. 01:10:05 !messages 01:10:06 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1m 33s ago): pls don't beg the question 01:10:15 that was pretty funny 01:10:18 well I don't know what any of those were about 01:10:19 the lab abyss guy 01:10:28 it was just some guy in the sa thread 01:10:31 cerebov also hits infinitely harder in melee and since monsters like to melee players that's a thing too 01:10:33 I thought you'd find it funny 01:10:38 i'm assuming from it being johnny0 that i mentioned some tome4 exploit 01:10:42 eb: yeah, i think the melee part is really key 01:10:59 if lom had a flag that made him just go nuts with spells 01:11:02 that could be something 01:11:21 it's why ereshkigal is the only hell lord with a terrible ratio too, i think 01:11:23 doy: bad players are afraid of mutations and rot, so they dont fight mnoleg or gloorx but they fight cerebov so they die to cerebov more 01:11:31 anyway, you no longer need to check mimickable items in advance, since a mimic item is indistinguishable from no item 01:11:45 PleasingFungus: except you do because you might want to pick up the item at some point 01:11:55 well eresh right now is the scariest hell lord, but then again gloorx is the scariest pan lord 01:11:56 PleasingFungus: and thinking you have an item available when you do not is not exactly good 01:11:59 eh 01:12:01 but good players don't suicide in extended 01:12:07 I am fine with you having to check that. 01:12:08 eresh 01:12:09 really 01:12:18 who else 01:12:21 asmo.. 01:12:26 the number of times that you see an item, want to use it (without even picking it up!), but also don't want to pick it up right now are 01:12:28 well 01:12:30 not high 01:13:01 my experience with asmodeus is that he summons efreeti 01:13:05 PleasingFungus: what if it is a scroll of enchant whatever? potion of (cure) mutation? 01:13:07 all my characters who do extended seem to end up killing eresh and rarely have any trouble (maybe it's because I have antimagic) 01:13:16 well for me he summons brimstone fiends 01:13:22 minmay: who cares 01:13:27 more seriously 01:13:35 well a fiend more here and there shouldn't be trouble for a char that is in hells 01:13:39 silence on the other hand 01:13:39 I'm also moving towards moving those out of the inventory 01:13:42 PleasingFungus: ...people who would like to read an enchant scroll at some point? 01:13:51 but I suppose it is already optimal to move them because of jellies so whatever 01:13:58 well, maybe for a conjurer you fear eresh 01:14:08 does anyone at all really care about "optimal" to this extent 01:14:15 I am not convinced that going back to an enchant scroll later and finding that it's fake will seriously affect anyone's game. cmut is more reasonable 01:14:19 but for me it only takes 1-2 turns of the brimstone fiend doing a dangerous action 01:14:21 doy: it's minmay!!!!!! 01:14:23 to get me in severe trouble 01:14:37 again, the thing is, kill ratio doesn't exactly mean this or that unique is more dangerous than the other; cerebov gets more kills because players like tabbing him without knowing what they're doing 01:14:42 doy: I was under the impression that tedious, risk-free behaviour that has a benefit, also called "grinding", was against crawl's major design goals 01:14:44 but also my consumables aren't often good 01:14:55 by the time of geh:7 01:14:59 eb: next up you're going to tell me that the arena isn't a reliable indicator of monster strength 01:15:10 also eb: I once fought mighted cerebov (and later died to asmodeus) 01:15:17 beat mighted cerebov easily 01:15:30 minmay: "a benefit" and "a meaningful benefit" are different 01:15:37 PleasingFungus: monster strength is not directly related to how much danger a monster poses to a player, even though it is a big factor 01:15:54 eb: yes, I was being sarcastic 01:15:56 doy: I think knowing whether a set of stairs is a real set of stairs, or just a floor tile disguised as stairs, is pretty meaningful 01:15:56 anyway, 95% of players are going to be using greedy autoexplore anyway 01:15:57 ah 01:16:08 so it's not like this is even relevant 01:16:16 doy: greedy explore doesn't visit items that aren't on autopickup... 01:16:17 minmay: yes. knowing where a set of stairs leads is also useful, which is why you should already be checking all stairs 01:16:32 make autoexplore touch all stairs 01:16:35 bam 01:16:47 PleasingFungus: when you find a set of stairs down do you always immediately go down it? 01:17:11 PleasingFungus: if not, then mimics are introducing bad behaviour: it is optimal for you to walk over the stairs (but not go down them), and would not be if mimics did not exist 01:17:11 point 01:17:17 PleasingFungus: also, escape hatches are still in the game! 01:17:18 minmay and PleasingFungus are trying to one up each other with questionable player behaviour, I'll just take that as my cue to go to sleep 01:17:22 I am not convinced that is a serious problem 01:17:25 good night 01:17:27 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:17:27 PleasingFungus: that's because it isn't 01:17:29 -!- eb has quit [] 01:17:51 wait are we having a "remove mimics" argument 01:17:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:18:01 more or less 01:18:05 please remove mimics 01:18:06 :( 01:18:07 no 01:18:12 I'm making them better instead 01:18:13 "ye" 01:18:14 :) 01:18:16 :( 01:18:26 aren't there many things that make some thing optimal that otherwise would not be optimal? 01:18:30 that means they are probably getting buffed 01:18:46 you could find out the answer to this and more 01:18:53 if you scrolled up 01:18:55 SamB: when behaviour is obviously optimal then it is not interesting 01:19:12 SamB: a "no-brainer decision", as the manual calls it 01:19:22 hmm 01:19:33 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:19:38 the expected benefit of walking over all down-stairs is very low 01:19:45 is that even actually optimal 01:19:45 I would honestly describe it as negligible 01:20:20 honestly, I think feature mimics are the worst change DCSS has ever had since I started following its development...I don't see how they accomplish anything that fulfills design goals and see very clear places where they go directly against them 01:20:35 wow 01:20:36 ok 01:20:37 they're funny 01:20:38 good night 01:20:40 the worst change 01:20:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140807084340]] 01:20:48 I'm quite serious 01:21:25 I mean, there *has* to be a worst change, unless there are multiple changes that are exactly the same amount of good/bad and also worse than every other change 01:21:36 and I strongly believe that change is the addition of feature mimics 01:21:51 * doy goes to sleep too 01:22:08 stairs count as a feature right? 01:22:15 and doors 01:22:17 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:26 if that's too negative for you, i think the best change is probably autofight or something! 01:22:27 yes 01:22:30 mm 01:22:42 or maybe making summons disappear when the summoner is killed, that one is pretty great too! 01:22:55 best is removal of item destruction 01:23:00 and enemy summoner nerf yea 01:23:04 best is corrosion reform 01:23:07 best is removal of nausea 01:23:14 i never played when nausea was a thing 01:23:19 sounds pretty bad though 01:23:22 i only played mummies when nausea was a thing 01:23:24 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 01:23:24 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 01:23:28 Dang 01:23:29 smart 01:23:37 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:24:25 well, I find 0.13 unplayable because of enemy summoners, and 0.14 unplayable because of item dest, I wonder what will be removed by the time 0.16 comes out 01:24:29 to make 0.15 feel unplayable 01:24:58 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:44 reaching would be a good one 01:25:49 ooh i know 01:25:52 how about feature mimics!!! 01:25:52 well 01:26:00 Are you thinking mostly for enemies? 01:26:04 or players 01:26:04 nausea was obnoxious as hell. 01:26:07 i don't use polearms ever 01:26:12 unless I happen to play mf 01:26:26 rest in peace reaching whips 01:26:27 would transmutations be better for merfolk 01:26:29 As long as my apt in axes is at least -1 I am pretty much using axes 01:26:46 !apt mf 01:26:47 Mf: Fighting: 1, Short: 2, Long: 1, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: 4!, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: 0, Armour: -3*, Dodge: 3, Stealth: 2, Shields: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: -2, Hexes: 0, Charms: 1, Summ: 0, Nec: -2, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 3!, Fire: -3*, Ice: 1, Air: -2, Earth: -2, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 0, MP: 0 01:26:57 i mean look at that +1 unarmed +3(!!) transmut and +1 ice 01:26:58 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:08 rip axes merfolk, nerfed into oblivion by crosstraining changes 01:27:15 dang -2 axes 01:27:20 ah well 01:27:26 -2 axes -2 maces -2 staves 01:27:28 do you hate fun 01:27:29 Axes are so nice.. 01:27:59 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:28:02 OH i know 01:28:09 fix the dang cleave mechanic 01:28:16 so that it dosen't have weird interactions with walls 01:28:27 and it dosen't give penalties to monsters hit other than the one you targetted 01:28:39 and how about it actually works when confused 01:29:00 which would give axes the unique trait of still being usable when confused 01:35:30 remove Be 01:35:30 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:37:11 -!- read has quit [Quit: installing more dependencies...] 01:39:10 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:44:28 remove HE 01:45:13 is cdo supposed to be nearly-blank 01:45:25 or is that on my end 01:45:50 It's all in the cards! 01:46:06 it is indeed blank 01:46:35 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-135-gdde1abb: fix message when the wizard is freed in trog_wizard (8756) 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 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ZZZzzz…] 07:31:25 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:36:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 07:38:04 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:28 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:49 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:47:38 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Quit] 07:48:02 -!- st_ has quit [] 07:49:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:51:18 The ice dragon tramples itself! 07:51:22 is this supposed to happen? :S 07:52:17 go trample yourself 07:52:46 how on earth does one do that? 07:52:55 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:56 ??it 07:52:57 it[1/42]: It fall off the wall. 07:53:07 ??it[trample 07:53:08 I don't have a page labeled it[trample in my learndb. 07:54:10 ??faq[15 07:54:11 faq[15/15]: _The ice dragon tramples itself! <- How on earth is this accomplished, and more importantly in what direction would it go? 07:54:13 hmm 07:54:21 -!- stanzwecha has quit [Quit: au rev] 07:54:27 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:54:30 I still feel it is appropriate for "it" 07:58:13 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Quit] 07:59:19 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:54 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 08:02:44 -!- Tenda has quit [Client Quit] 08:03:00 you can't put it in it because it's just a monster hitting itself due to being confused 08:09:25 !tell pleasingfungus for mimic noise, did you consider removing ambient noise 08:09:25 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:09:28 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 08:10:13 -!- dougsko has quit [Changing host] 08:10:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:13:12 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:13 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:30 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:20:03 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:12 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:34 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:22:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:39 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Quit] 08:28:14 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:54 -!- Tenda has quit [Client Quit] 08:33:23 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:59 -!- Tenda has quit [Client Quit] 08:35:30 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:35 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:24 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:13 <|amethyst> Tenda: "it" is specifically about bad grammar 08:42:13 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:42:26 <|amethyst> oop 08:42:30 <|amethyst> Tenda: oop, sorry, mistabbed 08:42:59 <|amethyst> TZer0: "it" is specifically about bad grammar or completely uninformative sentences like "It is" 08:43:22 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Quit] 08:43:36 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:43:54 %git :/dispersal brand dispersal 08:43:54 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-b1-68-gf78be9d: Actually start warpers with dispersal brand dispersal. 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f78be9db26e1 08:43:59 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:59 -!- Tenda has quit [Client Quit] 08:44:27 * |amethyst mistypes rchandar 08:44:31 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:15 -!- Tenda has quit [Client Quit] 08:45:50 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:45:53 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:44 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-136-g36858c6: Player doll tiles for the new ranged weapons 10(19 minutes ago, 5 files, 11+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=36858c63e389 08:48:22 -!- Tenda has quit [Client Quit] 08:49:44 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:46 -!- Tenda has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:10 this reminds me 08:50:46 -!- Tenda has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:25 -!- smajdalf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:51:27 me too 08:52:51 03ontoclasm02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-70-g57761e5: Player doll tiles for the new ranged weapons 10(24 minutes ago, 5 files, 11+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57761e539cb4 08:54:42 ??arrow 08:54:43 arrow ~ parrow ~ poison arrow[1/1]: Level 6, range 7 conj/poison spell (Annihilations exclusive), inflicts incredible damage, deals 70% resistable damage and poisons poison-resistant natural creatures; the undead cannot be poisoned but still take some damage. 4d53.75 damage at max power (but good luck getting 200 power). 08:54:50 ??arrows 08:54:51 arrows ~ parrow ~ poison arrow[1/1]: Level 6, range 7 conj/poison spell (Annihilations exclusive), inflicts incredible damage, deals 70% resistable damage and poisons poison-resistant natural creatures; the undead cannot be poisoned but still take some damage. 4d53.75 damage at max power (but good luck getting 200 power). 08:54:59 wow qualit 08:55:00 y 08:55:34 !learn add arrow Fired with a bow 08:55:35 arrow[1/1]: Fired with a bow 08:56:12 what is "?/S no longer provides advice on warding off the evil eye." (from trunk updates post) ? 08:56:59 ??giant eye 08:57:00 I don't have a page labeled giant_eye in my learndb. 08:57:02 ??giant eyeball 08:57:02 giant eyeball[1/4]: While these never have and never will kill any adventurers by themselves, their presence increases the danger of the other monsters enormously due to paralysing anyone they stare at. Great players who have been felled by giant eyeballs include Stabwound, Iaido, and Julius Caesar. 08:57:13 ??giant eyeball[2] 08:57:13 giant eyeball[2/4]: Its gaze doesn't need line of effect, just like smiting. Confusion doesn't stop it from gazing at you! Even magic resistance will not save you! If you're really at risk because one of these has showed up, and you can't escape, you could try something with generous targeting, like airstrike or bolts. 08:57:41 giant eyeball (16G) | Spd: 3 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 0/1 | lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(12), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 3 | Sp: paralysis gaze | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 08:57:41 %??giant eyeball 08:58:05 "?/S eye" gets tornado 08:58:18 and if it's not your tornado it probably seems pretty evil idk 08:58:41 !learn edit giant_eyeball[2] s/, and you can't escape,/, and you can't escape - try using airstrike or bolt wands/spells. Alternatively just turn invisible. 08:58:41 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/REGEX/REPLACE/opts 08:58:53 !learn edit giant_eyeball[2] s/, and you can't escape,/, and you can't escape - try using airstrike or bolt wands or spells. Alternatively just turn invisible. 08:58:54 ERROR: New text exceeds the maximum length of 350 08:58:58 fuck you 08:59:20 it already says that 08:59:48 ??giant eyeball[3] 08:59:48 giant eyeball[3/4]: !lg Siveran char=KoAr killer="acid blob" 1 -tv 08:59:50 ??giant eyeball[4] 08:59:51 giant eyeball[4/4]: The giant eyeball evaporates and reforms as a gnoll! _The gnoll picks up a wand of paralysis. 08:59:57 no 09:01:02 !learn add giant_eyeball[2] Completely neutralized (for the duration of the effect, anyhow) by turning invisible, since they can't stare at you if they can't see you. 09:01:03 giant eyeball[2/5]: Completely neutralized (for the duration of the effect, anyhow) by turning invisible, since they can't stare at you if they can't see you. 09:01:29 ??golden eyeball 09:01:29 I don't have a page labeled golden_eyeball in my learndb. 09:01:32 ??golden eye 09:01:33 golden eye[1/1]: Come in packs! Confuse(checks MR)! Tiny! Fast! Also, they blink (getit). Can't see invisible. 09:01:41 that a boy 09:02:10 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 09:05:25 wheals: I just ended up removing the noise component & checking silence directly, which was closer to the functionality that I wanted anyway 09:05:25 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:05:58 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:06:42 rchandra: I think that might actually work - it's kind of a... rhetorical you, if that makes any sense? 09:06:56 the real problem is that it always looked to me like it cost mmhp/mmp 09:07:15 "a portion of your life and your soul" sounds a lot more serious than it is! 09:07:26 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:39 that's does sound dangerous 09:08:13 i guess i'll have to remove ambient noise myself 09:08:15 PleasingFungus: were those okay? 09:08:32 wheals: powerful tomb nerfs 09:08:35 ontoclasm1: ? 09:08:54 <|amethyst> and lair buffs! 09:09:02 yes, putting it under "tomb reform" sounds ok 09:09:08 !git :/doll 09:09:08 %git :/doll 09:09:08 07ontoclasm02 * 0.15-b1-70-g57761e5: Player doll tiles for the new ranged weapons 10(40 minutes ago, 5 files, 11+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57761e539cb4 09:09:41 ontoclasm1: hi 09:09:50 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:50 o. hard to imagine how they'll look in play from the screenshots alone 09:09:57 yeah 09:09:58 I'll test 09:10:11 Bloaxor: good morning 09:10:28 implying i didn't wake up fourteen hours ago 09:10:35 rikp 09:10:54 i'd flip the triple crossbow but ok 09:11:01 |amethyst: any thoughts on the unlinked item problem I was having with my mimics? (I can pass a diff/patch to you if it'd help) 09:11:26 rchandra: check out the diff on cantrip's description in c952f4c7234d 09:11:32 PleasingFungus: was the problem with a save from a previous revision of the work? 09:11:38 ontoclasm1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/ammo.7z 09:11:46 %git c952f4c7234d 09:11:46 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-105-gc952f4c: Remove the second person 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 35+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c952f4c7234d 09:11:55 or did the unlinked items keep happening 09:12:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm 09:12:21 very consistently, whenever I made an item mimic, watched it poof, saved and loaded 09:12:31 it'd show up as unlinked on load 09:13:05 so, Cantrip cancels Fear, right? 09:13:25 oh, ok 09:13:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ah, you need both 09:13:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: actually, I guess what you want is destroy_item(int, bool) 09:14:00 now that i think about it, my work with natasha didn't actually involve deleting items (though it did have unlinked item errors) 09:14:07 |amethyst: ah, so the old code was right! 09:14:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: which calls unlink_item then destroy_item(item_def &) 09:14:18 !source discover_mimic 09:14:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: no, you used the wrong one I thought? 09:14:19 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l958 09:14:29 destroy_item(*item, true); 09:14:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, you want destroy_item(item->index, true) 09:14:42 Bloaxor: what are these for? branded ammo? 09:14:46 yes 09:14:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: and to rename one of those functions :P 09:15:03 like... you want every different brand to be a different color? 09:15:09 yes 09:15:23 |amethyst: I'd probably want to understand them a little better first :) 09:15:23 i don't particularly care about how the firing one looks 09:15:26 -!- Beast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:31 but them being nice and recognizable is nice 09:15:47 ontoclasm1: the triple crossbow paperdoll sprite looks a little weird 09:16:00 sort of looks like a flag until I get really close to the screen & squint at it 09:16:35 i'm not a fan of "hold the thing that shoots like it is a club" pose 09:16:57 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:17:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: unlink_item removes it from igrd, monster inventory, etc; destroy_item(item_def&) merely wipes the object; and destroy_item(int) does both 09:17:34 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess it's that way because it doesn't make sense to unlink something that doesn't have an mitm index 09:17:34 oh, I see 09:18:15 <|amethyst> I had thought unlink_item wiped the item, too, but that's only #ifdef DEBUG and only if the unlinking fails 09:18:23 Bloaxor: people hold rifles pointing upwards all the time 09:18:50 well rifles aren't huge, clunky crossbows 09:18:55 http://static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/8/9/2/large2/29801930.jpg 09:19:00 that obscure half your vision 09:19:20 because of their sheer size 09:19:24 http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/12/04/world/2Basra-Gun--06_480.jpg 09:19:36 trigger discipline, damn it 09:19:37 ok, that worked 09:19:38 that's a fricking LMG 09:19:43 that he's holding upwards 09:20:19 |amethyst: okay, that's working. thank you! 09:20:21 i mean i can redraw it but you can't tell me people never hold things that way 09:20:59 <|amethyst> ontoclasm1: well, crossbows are more front-heavy than rifles, so I do see Bloax's point 09:21:28 <|amethyst> but 09:21:42 (i mean unless the player is secretly the terminator then holding a siege engine in one of their hands seems a bit funny) 09:21:43 <|amethyst> given that we have one pose for the hands, there's not a lot of choice 09:21:48 is that really different from most weapons in the dolls? 09:22:37 <|amethyst> FR: triple crossbows are mounted on a little cart that you have to push around in front of you 09:23:02 wheelbarrowcrossbow 09:23:33 http://afghanistanmylasttour.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ana-soldier-with-nato-m-249-machine-gun1.jpg this is what i'm thinking of 09:23:53 clearly what crawl needs is turret sections 09:23:56 yeah that'd be great if i could move the doll's hands 09:24:12 but i can't, so he's gotta hold it in one hand, just like he holds a claymore or the dark maul 09:24:13 might be possible if it was rather horizontal 09:25:09 <|amethyst> FR: Crawl teaches proper firearm safety 09:25:26 !wtf firearm 09:25:26 Unperson Reaver* 09:25:45 Bloaxor: you're welcome to try drawing it that way, but i'm highly skeptical 09:26:05