00:00:59 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-63-g828a17f 00:01:10 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:01:54 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:02:54 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-124-gcfa7fbd (34) 00:03:18 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:04:46 -!- phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:06:56 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:07:10 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:09:02 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:19 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:18:12 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:22:57 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 00:29:17 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:30:30 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:32:04 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:34:33 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:33 wtf 00:39:45 I and z give different "spell is useless" colours 00:40:53 -!- excalibur03 is now known as grit 00:43:44 oh, that's intended 00:43:46 weird 00:44:22 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:48:20 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:54:18 -!- grit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:55:52 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:56:09 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:57 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:01:52 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:57 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:05:49 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:04 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:18 -!- mnoleg69reagan42 has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:09:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:11:57 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:14:04 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:25:05 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:00 -!- Davens has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:30:05 item creation is such a mess 01:36:22 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:36:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:37:00 like, the only way to actually create a specific item is to create a random item and then overwrite its properties with the ones you want 01:40:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:42:08 you can't just create an item object and add it to a linked list? 01:42:20 items are in 2 big linked lists right? 01:44:05 or rather i guess what i meant is "why can't you just do that" 01:44:41 mostly because i would never really be confident that i'm doing it the right way 01:45:03 i mean, clearly there is a way to do that because the existing item generations do *something* 01:45:10 s/generations/generation functions/ 01:47:17 i guess that's what i'll do though 01:49:54 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:50:41 -!- fiyawerx_ has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 02:07:16 -!- Suzera-- has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:07:47 oon 02:07:50 woops 02:11:15 -!- slitherrr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:11:37 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:49 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:17:48 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-63-g828a17f 02:19:25 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:20:27 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:11 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:22:22 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:44 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:24 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-124-gcfa7fbd (34) 02:27:07 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:05 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:07 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:28:31 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 02:28:42 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:24 I like how I randomly manage to not be banned every now and then. 02:31:45 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:31:58 -!- rast- is now known as rast 02:33:58 -!- its_jenna has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:04 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:36:03 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:22 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:43:40 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:45:50 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:50:16 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-125-gf883cba: also create some equipment from dumpfiles 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 109+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f883cba7661e 02:50:16 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-126-g32f1ee2: also apply weapon and armour brands 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 49+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32f1ee216dfe 02:50:16 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-127-g9dfe0b6: handle the last ring slot 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9dfe0b623888 02:57:00 -!- mspang has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:59:08 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59:32 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:32 -!- atSign has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:31 getting the different types of serpent of hell balanced with each other is hard 03:07:55 really need better breath sets for the cocytus and dis variants 03:12:04 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:47 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:16:07 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:18:14 have you tried glaciate and ball lightning 03:18:29 (or hell, just hellfire) 03:18:46 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:20:31 -!- bones__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:23:54 -!- atSign has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:24:27 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:25:15 yeah, the gehenna variant has hellfire 03:25:19 and it is plenty powerful 03:25:36 glaciate is an interesting idea 03:25:39 might try that 03:28:13 actual dragonbreath 03:29:14 -!- Fusha has quit [] 03:33:08 "35 games for * (killer=~serpent_of_hell): 27x Geh:7, 3x Dis:7, 3x Tar:7, Coc:7, Hell 03:33:11 yup 03:33:49 well, no, the existing gehenna variant isn't nearly powerful enough 03:34:04 although it is moreso than the others 03:34:40 oh, i've only ever fought the Coc and Dis (I think?) versions 03:34:57 happy to hear you're changing it regardless :o 03:35:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:35:58 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-128-gb6561a5: allow multi-attacks from monsters with more than one base attack 10(6 days ago, 2 files, 8+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6561a52c193 03:35:58 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-129-g75f138c: buff serpent of hell a bit 10(6 days ago, 8 files, 86+ 47-) 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Use !messages to read it. 09:24:11 !tell rchandra wheals was arguing for adding acid bolt to rod of destruction, yeah. it'd be a buff but rod of destruction is one of the weaker damage rods right now, so it'd probably be okay 09:24:11 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let rchandra know. 09:25:22 PleasingFungus: yeah, i found it 09:25:47 would be pretty cool if there were more arrays for items 09:25:57 cf the shop hack 09:26:01 nooooo 09:26:08 the shop hack....... 09:33:00 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:35:46 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:48 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35:55 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:39:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:40:35 -!- allbefore has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:42:10 -!- tsohg has quit [] 09:42:58 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:07 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:14 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:15 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:47:44 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:23 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:39 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:49:58 -!- dienosore has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:58:05 -!- ebarrett has quit [Quit: I quit] 09:58:29 !tell |amethyst Webtiles isn't creating 0.15 rc files for players. Any easy way to fix this? 09:58:29 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 09:59:01 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:59:08 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:59:11 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 10:02:20 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:09:52 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:14:22 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:12 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:48 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:26:08 !tell |amethyst I straight up can't replicate that crash, even with "force_more_message += .*" :( 10:26:09 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:30:34 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:10 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:37:19 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:49 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:22 PleasingFungus: seems like |amethyst is going to have fun times when he is back. 10:45:27 :) 10:45:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140807084340]] 10:47:03 -!- CatPlusPlus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:12 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:53:29 hell effect berserk through clarity - bug or feature? 10:54:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:29 <|amethyst> TZer0: edit and publish chroot/bin/init-webtile.sh 10:58:46 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:51 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:41 rchandra: can you get slowed through clarity? 11:01:26 i think that one could go either way, but it should probably at least be consistent 11:01:37 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:02:25 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:02:31 <|amethyst> slow versus berserk? 11:03:05 oh wait, clarity, not stasis 11:03:07 confusion then 11:03:24 <|amethyst> most unintentional berserk is prevented by clarity 11:03:34 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:53 <|amethyst> so I think it's probably a bug if hell effects can berserk you through clarity 11:05:09 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:10 yeah, I'd agree 11:08:20 I had an idea for the qaz banner 11:11:57 qaz is heavily invocations-powered, so you could go for an invocations title gimmick: level 1 "get to level 9" (or lair?) "with an invo title", level 2 win with an invo title, level 3 win with five different invo titles or invo titles from different gods or s/t 11:12:25 it'd be cool to do something with invo titles for gods that don't use invo but idk how that wouldn't be scummable 11:12:48 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-132-ge378d00: few more tweaks 10(48 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e378d00f7dc9 11:19:24 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:19:29 oh, right. 11:20:11 done. 11:21:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:21:38 hell effects have some weird things where they're kind of blamed on you 11:21:57 see good god penance for fclouds hitting allies 11:22:02 so does apocalypse crab breath 11:22:10 for some reason when it paralyzes it blames you :b 11:22:43 when does the cause of paralysis ever matter...? 11:23:30 it doesn't, it's just weird 11:24:09 i mean, how do you even know what the blame is 11:24:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:24:25 does it say "...while paralyze by the player"? 11:24:33 s/ze/sed/ 11:24:36 sec, I'll dig up a log 11:25:08 !log * abyss status~~paraly 11:25:09 545. Congressman, XL15 DsGl, T:25235: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Congressman/morgue-Congressman-20140812-060549.txt 11:25:27 <|amethyst> !log * coc status~~paraly 11:25:28 7. Zammaz, XL26 CeHu, T:85156: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Zammaz/morgue-Zammaz-20140629-100614.txt 11:25:42 <|amethyst> !log * coc status~~paraly -2 11:25:42 6/7. Yermak, XL23 DDGl, T:21756: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Yermak/morgue-Yermak-20140524-065950.txt 11:26:07 <|amethyst> !log * coc status~~paraly -3 11:26:09 5/7. timbw, XL27 OgFi, T:150731: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/timbw/morgue-timbw-20130823-140129.txt 11:26:50 <|amethyst> this one says "while paralysed by the effects of Hell"; however that probably is marked as KILL_YOU because of how chaos effects work :( 11:26:58 !lm . abyss -log -8 11:26:59 perunasaurus, XL27 KoTm, T:66927: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/perunasaurus/morgue-perunasaurus-20140729-194921.txt 11:27:01 66600 | Abyss:2 | Paralysed by you for 4 turns 11:27:11 I'm pretty sure that was crab breath 11:27:31 <|amethyst> oh, right, crab breath, no hell effects 11:27:35 !lm . abyss -8 -tv:T66699 11:27:36 37/44. perunasaurus, XL27 KoTm, T:66825 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 11:27:38 <|amethyst> got two topics confused 11:28:16 !log .won 11:28:16 No keyword '.won' 11:28:23 !log . won 11:28:24 19. wheals, XL26 DgWn, T:103821: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/wheals/morgue-wheals-20140731-160014.txt 11:28:36 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:48 <|amethyst> !source cloud.cc:1043 11:28:48 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/cloud.cc;hb=HEAD#l1043 11:28:57 or actually was that expired berserk 11:28:58 <|amethyst> // TODO: Not have this in melee_attack 11:29:05 good todo 11:29:07 !lm . abyss -8 -ttyrec 11:29:07 37. perunasaurus, XL27 KoTm, T:66825 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/ttyrecs/perunasaurus/2014-07-29.15:02:21.ttyrec.bz2 11:29:28 hm, thought that one had a para miscast 11:29:31 I remember having "paralysed by you" on my todo list for a while. could never figure out what caused it, though 11:29:55 <|amethyst> chaos effect = pretend the victim attacked itself with a chaos weapon 11:30:27 sounds hilarious 11:30:32 <|amethyst> !source melee_attack::chaos_affect_actor 11:30:33 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l3843 11:30:40 okay so I got both paralyzed and berserked (in that order) 11:31:06 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re the beholder crash, I'm having a hard time understanding one part of the backtrace (trying to reproduce the crash) 11:31:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: #11 TilesFramework::_send_player (this=0xee6640, force_full=true) at tileweb.cc:800 11:31:26 yeah I was still berserked when the paralyze ended 11:31:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: which according to the trace called #10 _update_statuses 11:31:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but tileweb.cc:800 is if (force_full || _update_statuses(c)) 11:31:56 so it was definitely the breath and not the breath-induced berserk expiring 11:32:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if force_full is true, why is it calling _update_statuses ? 11:32:19 ok, that is pretty funny 11:32:25 !source tileweb.cc:800 11:32:26 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/tileweb.cc;hb=HEAD#l800 11:32:27 is this weird enough to warrant a mantis ticket? 11:32:49 solution: allow webtiles on windows so we don't have to bother with these pesky backtraces :) 11:33:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I am looking at this backtrace btw: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20140801-045952.txt 11:33:29 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:33:36 technically, force_full is not a const 11:34:03 mm 11:34:26 <|amethyst> it's not used as an lvalue before that point 11:34:36 it's also possible that the value is just wrong because of optimizations 11:34:50 in principle, one of those other calls could be passing it by reference and fucking with it. that's paranoia 11:34:52 anyway 11:35:08 <|amethyst> except _update_int and _update_string don't take their first argument by reference 11:35:15 <|amethyst> I'm guessing it's what doy says 11:35:34 _update_statuses takes a player_info, not a force_full parameter, so I'm a little confused by "_update_statuses (this=0xee6640, force_full=true)" 11:35:45 <|amethyst> particularly since, now that I look at it, the parameters in frame #10 are co... that 11:35:53 :) 11:36:45 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:04 <|amethyst> let me see if I can pull that up in gdb 11:39:38 <|amethyst> ah, yes, force_full should be false there 11:39:52 <|amethyst> based on where it was called from 11:45:56 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:46:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:34 so... does anyone have opinions on the power level of the serpent of hell on my branch? 11:51:01 i still need to do some cosmetic tweaks (and it probably shouldn't be merged until after the feature freeze anyway), but i'm just curious if people think it's a reasonable thing to do 11:52:08 lemme look 11:53:03 -!- ruwin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:39 heh 11:53:46 looks pretty vicious 11:53:53 how's it fare in... THE ARENA? 11:55:00 well, right now the serpent of hell has one of the lowest kill ratios of any of the late game uniques 11:55:06 so i wanted it to be noticeable 11:55:08 (: 11:55:14 it's a general problem that, with mores, basically any message could cause a UI update, and webtiles always does a complete update (not just the message area, like console and localtiles) 11:55:16 and it does pretty well in the arena 11:56:05 so any mpr where the game could be in an invalid state is a potential bug 11:59:55 it might be a bit strong, but it's a hell-end unique 11:59:59 I say go for it. murder some players 12:00:08 sounds good to me(: 12:00:45 i think it probably is a bit strong, but i'm also usually wrong about that, and toning it down later isn't hard either 12:02:22 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-63-g828a17f 12:03:21 serpent of hell...fire 12:05:37 * geekosaur wonders how well that works in cocytus 12:05:47 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-127-g9dfe0b6 (34) 12:06:06 ...frost 12:11:04 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I'm trying to figure out how to reproduce this crash 12:11:21 geekosaur: glaciate :) 12:12:14 <|amethyst> edlothiol: even with a force_more on every message, I can't seem to get it to actually do a TilesFramework::redraw in the inconsistent state 12:13:42 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:48 ereshkigal could probably stand a slight buff too 12:17:13 maybe bump up damage a bit 12:17:57 !killratio ereshkigal * 0.15-a 12:17:59 ereshkigal wins 0.437% of battles against * (0.15-a). 12:18:03 !killratio asmodeus * 0.15-a 12:18:05 asmodeus wins 2.217% of battles against * (0.15-a). 12:18:07 !killratio dispater * 0.15-a 12:18:12 dispater wins 1.307% of battles against * (0.15-a). 12:18:16 !killratio antaeus * 0.15-a 12:18:19 antaeus wins 4.502% of battles against * (0.15-a). 12:18:23 nice 12:18:31 sample size issues, ofc 12:18:31 !killratio the_serpent_of_hell * 0.15-a 12:18:33 the_serpent_of_hell wins 0.0% of battles against * (0.15-a). 12:18:34 yeah, sure 12:19:12 Ereshkigal (16&) | Spd: 14 | HD: 18 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/30 | Dam: 4013(drain) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 12959 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), silence, sum.greater demon, s.torment, paralyse, 04esc:major healing | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:19:12 %??ereshkigal 12:19:16 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:29 i mean, she doesn't look particularly weak 12:20:06 but it might just be that once you close, spellcasting doesn't happen as often 12:20:19 and the melee attacks aren't great, compared to the other three 12:21:27 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-118 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(85), 05fire++, 12drown | XP: 1819 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 12:21:27 %??fire giant 12:21:30 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:21:33 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 68-108 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | XP: 1423 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 12:21:33 %??stone giant 12:21:38 -!- rast- is now known as rast 12:23:06 asmodeus has the scepter and dispater has the staff, and antaeus has raw 75/35 cold-branded damage 12:23:45 ereshkigal has... crazy mad ev 12:24:34 yeah 12:24:39 that's about the only thing though 12:25:04 |amethyst: I don't know the beholder code... maybe you are getting the update_beholders path instead of update_beholder? 12:25:32 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:35 <|amethyst> edlothiol: oh, right 12:25:42 <|amethyst> that was the reason this is still a crash at all :) 12:26:41 oh... so this got already fixed in update_beholders, but not in update_beholder 12:27:12 <|amethyst> indeed 12:27:43 <|amethyst> I have a patch to fix the other one, but I'd like to reproduce the crash so I know I really fixed it 12:28:09 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:28:10 I have no idea in what situation the one code path triggers vs the other one, of course 12:28:23 -!- rast- is now known as rast 12:29:17 <|amethyst> update_beholder appears to be when something happens on the monster's turn 12:29:52 so that crash was from when the player's summoned faun cast fear 12:29:57 which broke the beholding 12:30:01 so that would make sense 12:30:40 that's going to be fun to reproduce... 12:30:42 ahahaha yeah 12:30:57 well, &Mfaun spells:cause_fear will be a start 12:31:17 don't let them get distracted casting weird shit 12:31:40 I wonder if I'm wrong to expect the game to be in a consistent state when a more is caused 12:33:24 speaking of mores, why is it that you can have a more (taking up one line) when the next screen only has one line 12:33:46 probably because it's hard to detect that ahead of time 12:33:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:34:09 since messages are just written out as they are generated 12:34:45 it is to spite the player and cause them to suffer, rchandra. 12:34:46 couldn't we just collect messages, and then output them with mores in between after the game logic is done? 12:35:01 hmm. even menus? that would explain the ridiculous one on Vampires A! screen (on 80x24) 12:35:58 it'd mean you would only see the game state from after all messages happened, but I wonder how important that is 12:37:43 <|amethyst> how to specify when the game logic is done? 12:38:37 good question 12:38:39 back to the beginning of the main loop? 12:38:46 <|amethyst> perhaps an RAII-style message_suppressor class (sets a flag on the message subsystem when constructed, unsets the flag and pushes out messages when it falls out of scope) 12:38:54 <|amethyst> wheals: that wouldn't work 12:39:06 <|amethyst> wheals: because you need to see prompts before responding to them 12:39:29 <|amethyst> perhaps "whenever input happens" 12:39:37 <|amethyst> s/happens/is about to happen/ 12:40:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:35 that's what I was thinking of 12:40:38 <|amethyst> I guess a message_suppressor class would need to use a global count, not just a flag, so that it works reentrantly 12:41:14 there is actually already mouse_mode, which does something similar 12:41:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:58 <|amethyst> with some more complexity it could also be used to improve message order in some places 12:43:24 <|amethyst> because sometimes you need to do work before you know which message to print, but by that point you've already printed other messages that ought to come later, not earlier 12:43:40 yeah, message order bugs are the worst 12:45:42 polymorph pften causes those 12:45:46 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:46:33 mouse_control::current_mode() is the greatly-named MOUSE_MODE_NORMAL while the game isn't accepting input and then changes to MOUSE_MODE_COMMAND or MOUSE_MODE_MORE or a bunch of others 12:46:57 <|amethyst> edlothiol: ohh... you know 12:46:59 although from the number of bugs where mouse control allows you to do stuff you're not supposed to, I'm not sure how much to trust it 12:47:06 <|amethyst> edlothiol: oh, hm 12:47:24 <|amethyst> edlothiol: we were just discussing how to make mouse commands available in webtiles 12:47:41 <|amethyst> edlothiol: the simplest way seems to be just making the buttons send keys as macros 12:47:56 <|amethyst> edlothiol: but that involves knowing when the game is actually expecting those keys 12:49:03 yes, that's mostly solved... though I don't like sending actual keys that could be remapped 12:49:29 on the other hand, maybe they could be interpreted without keymaps 12:50:21 the mouse_mode is also already sent to the client side 12:50:37 also, things like clicking on the map is a bit hard to translate into keys, maybe 12:51:40 <|amethyst> yeah, I was thinking mostly of the command toolboxes 12:52:15 <|amethyst> map clicking could be xhhuuuuu or whatever, but meh 12:52:25 <|amethyst> err, lluuuuu 12:53:25 yeah 13:00:14 -!- allbefore has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:03:20 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:04:35 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:46 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:06:02 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-b1-63-g828a17f 13:06:22 |amethyst: what funciton gets called hwne you hit [enter] on the map[? 13:06:34 ...wow, that sentence fell apart 13:09:11 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:39 -!- CacoS has quit [] 13:13:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:14:51 03edlothiol02 07* 0.16-a0-128-g7a5f0ea: Webtiles: The "icemail depleted" status doesn't show up in the HUD anymore. 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a5f0ea0d08f 13:14:51 03edlothiol02 07* 0.16-a0-129-gbf5829b: Webtiles: Colour AC and weapon red when corroded (#8836). 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 17+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf5829b4a598 13:17:19 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 13:18:55 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: it's CMD_MAP_GOTO_TARGET; see viewmap.cc 13:20:18 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 13:20:50 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: in x mode it's CMD_TARGET_SELECT; see directn.cc 13:21:06 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:25:04 03edlothiol02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-64-ga9d7f95: Webtiles: The "icemail depleted" status doesn't show up in the HUD anymore. 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9d7f954d6d1 13:25:04 03edlothiol02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-65-gb5480ee: Webtiles: Colour AC and weapon red when corroded (#8836). 10(14 minutes ago, 2 files, 17+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5480ee089c9 13:28:30 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:39 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:01 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:17 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:32:18 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 13:35:58 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:39:10 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 13:46:32 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:47:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:51:35 -!- allbefore has quit [Client Quit] 13:52:10 -!- Gene_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:59:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00:57 -!- Rarn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 14:05:50 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:11:22 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:11:23 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:19:07 -!- LordSloth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:11 -!- M1zzu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:22:52 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:43 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:21 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:26:44 -!- Miauw has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:27:11 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:28:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:22 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:32:20 -!- owl is now known as read 14:35:52 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:36:53 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:35 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:02:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:05:12 Kiku is a terrible god and, recognizing this, will give followers and other players the D:1 CARTOGRAPHER award just for showing up. Thanks, Kiku! 15:06:40 has kiku been improved lately? 15:07:59 cartography's important, yo 15:08:57 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:09:16 I believe kiku has been improved since 0.5.1 15:09:24 heh 15:09:39 afaik he's generally considered quite decent these days 15:09:41 you were around when he was overhauled from "god that lets you summon reapers", right? 15:09:48 evilmike: yeah 15:10:06 i think the more "recent" changes are, he gifts randbooks now instead of fixed books, and his powers don't scale off invocations any more 15:10:09 i've still never really played him though, so 15:10:17 !hs * doy kiku 15:10:18 No keyword 'doy' 15:10:20 !hs doy kiku 15:10:21 4. doy the Necromancer (L17 HENe of Kikubaaqudgha), shot by a deep elf knight (bolt of flame) on Elf:3 on 2008-08-21 09:04:25, with 190076 points after 80122 turns and 12:57:55. 15:10:26 hm 15:10:33 ro[ 15:10:34 *rip 15:10:37 (: 15:10:53 kikuwarhargarbl 15:11:58 there are people in this world who can type, or even say, kiku's full name without aid. 15:12:11 terrifying. 15:14:25 -!- Gene_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:14:47 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 15:14:56 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 15:16:03 apparently (sometimes) !flight isn't marked useless for xl>=14 gargoyles even though it's always marked useless for birds 15:16:06 weird 15:17:18 -!- Suzera-- is now known as Suzera 15:17:24 -!- atomicthumbs has quit [Quit: oh god] 15:17:40 bug imo 15:18:09 yes, but I have no idea how to reproduce it 15:18:50 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:19:52 also it seems to apply for both (not disabling) autopickup and marking it useless 15:19:59 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:33 well I'll just mantis this 15:20:43 I can't think of a reason why xl14+ gr would want to carry !flight around 15:24:36 rrrrr apparently it applies to birds too under some circumstances 15:24:38 this is just weird 15:26:26 does saving and reloading fix it? because if so it could be a lua problem 15:27:15 -!- Miauw_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:23 ope 15:27:27 *nope 15:27:55 http://i.imgur.com/AZuXekh.png 15:28:17 I'll back up this char just in case 15:28:25 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:28:47 that looks suspiciously like rcfile nonsense 15:29:10 potions do not have {!q} normally :) 15:29:20 I'm having the same problem on my local version which does not have any of that 15:29:46 ah, ok 15:30:01 oh, I figured it out 15:30:12 you have to enable the permaflight at least once 15:30:20 hitting xl14 alone isn't enough 15:31:16 imho slap it on mantis, I'll take a look at some point 15:31:25 righto 15:31:30 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:13 i'm a bit late but kiku is still a terrible god 15:32:23 a terrible DEMON god 15:32:29 true 15:32:47 forged in the hells of the depths 15:35:02 <|amethyst> ah, it uses you.permanent_flight() which looks at you.attribute[ATTR_PERM_FLIGHT] 15:35:33 <|amethyst> but that should be reset to zero when you stop flying 15:35:47 huh, true 15:37:02 that enables autopickup for !flight too, I can think of reasons why Gr/Te/black Dr would want to disable permaflight but not why they'd want to carry !flight around 15:37:22 since you can activate permaflight even under silence 15:37:30 <|amethyst> zero MP? 15:38:09 weird, I could've sworn it didn't use mp 15:38:15 well never mind then I guess 15:38:26 <|amethyst> There is at least one other problem though 15:38:40 <|amethyst> the same uselessness check applies if you are wearing flight armour 15:38:46 <|amethyst> I guess maybe that's not a problem 15:38:56 <|amethyst> but equipment is much less permanent than race 15:40:19 <|amethyst> I think "want to fly at 0MP" is enough of an edge case that we shouldn't mark !flight/=flight useful just because of that 15:40:38 what determines success rate for flight 15:40:49 XL 15:40:51 <|amethyst> after all, we mark random uselessness as useless despite being a source of butterflies 15:40:55 <|amethyst> XL for the racial ones 15:41:04 <|amethyst> I guess that would be another reason, <100% success 15:41:19 gargoyles have a failure rate of 1% at xl14 (when they gain flight) 15:41:21 <|amethyst> which is much less of an edge case 15:41:26 <|amethyst> oh, hm 15:41:28 that seems... odd 15:41:31 it's 0% 15+ though 15:41:36 Kvaak: yeah 15:41:51 not really sure what that 1% chance adds to anything 15:42:06 nothing 15:42:09 should either be 0 or non-trivial 15:42:12 it adds to confusion! 15:42:16 it might have been because a bunch of the racial flight abilities used to be at xl15 15:42:24 and so the odds were calibrated to make it 0% then? 15:42:37 that's possible 15:43:38 still silly 15:44:36 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:22 is orc still supposed to have areas only accessible by digging? 15:50:22 not afaik 15:50:28 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50:46 guess I get to make a bug report after all 15:51:19 <|amethyst> Kvaak: or add a comment to #7696 anyway 15:51:39 will do 15:51:41 <|amethyst> Kvaak: (and upload a save or link to a backup) 15:53:34 <|amethyst> hm 15:53:51 <|amethyst> actually reading #218 maybe it is intentional 15:54:00 <|amethyst> as long as there was an escape hatch leading out of the area 15:54:19 !bug 218 15:54:19 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=218 15:54:27 well unless there's a hatch up on orc:4 I can't access the disconnected areas at all 15:54:38 <|amethyst> reading caotto's and jpeg's last few comments 15:54:41 without digging anyway 15:54:58 <|amethyst> I rather like the way you sometimes need to procure digging/disintegration/teleport to be able to enter the Elven Halls. 15:55:09 <|amethyst> in the last 218 comment 15:55:57 <|amethyst> that said, whatever the current situation is, is probably a result of genetic drift from the 2011 implementation :) 15:57:14 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:18 <|amethyst> and I'm not certain the #816 was ever actually fixed 15:58:21 <|amethyst> %bug 816 15:58:21 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=816 15:58:55 "the spell Portal" 15:58:58 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:59:00 what on earth did that do? 15:59:07 <|amethyst> level teleport I believe 15:59:08 that was a weird one 15:59:11 <|amethyst> ??portal 15:59:12 portal[1/1]: You may be looking for {portal vault} or {portal card}. Also used to be a spell that teleported you across levels in the main Dungeon. 15:59:16 instant level teleport, but it only worked in D 15:59:30 in theory you could use it during the orb run, I think 15:59:34 haha, yeah 15:59:43 portal was ridiculous 15:59:45 that sounds like a really really strong escape spell 15:59:53 well. you know. in d 15:59:53 yeah but it only worked in D, and was high level 15:59:58 it was level 7 i think 16:00:05 powerful d:27 tech......! 16:00:09 but nobody played warpers back then 16:00:16 because portal was about it for high level spells 16:00:39 I remember the first time I saw portal of golubria, I assumed you could set up interlevel portals with it. because otherwise, what would be the point? 16:00:56 the point was to have Portal portals 16:01:01 heh, that would be interesting 16:01:26 to blink as a formicid. oh, wait. 16:01:29 passage of golubria was mine, it never really had a compelling reason for existence other than "it really feels like there's something cool you could do with this" 16:01:42 it was buffed a few versions ago 16:01:49 I think it might actually be good, it's just 16:01:55 ??portal of golubria[ermako 16:01:55 I don't have a page labeled portal of golubria[ermako in my learndb. 16:01:57 hm 16:02:01 ??passage of golubria[erma 16:02:01 passage_of_golubria[3/3]: sounds cool i don't know how you would use it 16:02:05 yeah 16:02:15 well from what I've seen it's scblink except it doesn't require blink + ctele or controlled blink 16:02:23 i dunno whats popular these days, but it is probably one of those spells thats good but most people don't understand it 16:02:30 that is my suspicion 16:02:41 kind of like how leda's liquefaction was (and then it caught on, and it wound up getting nerfed) 16:02:49 rip leda's 16:03:04 were you here when amethyst & I were having an argument about treeform + leda's tech 16:03:12 nope! 16:03:53 I argued that making treeform immune to leda's unstable-ground effect (because of roots) would not be overpowered, because treeform is in quite limited supply 16:03:57 he disagreed 16:04:09 <|amethyst> well 16:04:21 more importantly since it doesn't matter whether you have immunity or not.... 16:04:28 wheals: ? 16:04:31 <|amethyst> I complained about the combination of immunity + being able to cast it 16:04:36 oh i guess it does fumbling, yeah 16:04:43 yeah it's the fumbling specifically 16:05:23 is fumbling still there for balancing, or what? i guess it made some sense when the spell was more like haste 16:05:23 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:37 real problem is inconsistency with roots 16:05:42 *Roots 16:05:49 its just weird because it is (or was?) melee-only 16:05:50 I personally am not ideologically opposed to immunity + leda's casting, with limitations - after all, you can already use magic or ranged weapons 16:05:57 fumbling immunity 16:06:04 wheals: you mean grasping roots? 16:08:07 yes, but not very seriously 16:08:07 I am shocked 16:08:16 shocked, that you would be so unserious. 16:08:58 oh good lord 16:09:03 did I get a disconnected elf:3 as well 16:10:00 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:00 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:10:25 -!- CatPlusPlus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:10:31 yes, yes I did, and there's a magical missing staircase somewhere as well 16:11:39 oh actually it's only partially disconnected 16:11:40 weird 16:11:47 partially disconnected? 16:12:12 yeah, only one staircase leads to the endvault 16:12:41 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:56 http://i.imgur.com/yrRAWzJ.png 16:12:56 <|amethyst> It is definitely expected to have regions of Orc that require upstairs to reach 16:12:57 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:59 basically like that 16:13:11 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:19 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:25 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:28 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:59 <|amethyst> oh, that's Elf 16:14:15 partially disconnected levels are normal 16:14:33 and yeah, orc has always intentionally had entirely disconnected bubbles 16:14:37 oh okay, I've never seen a layout like this 16:15:38 partially disconnected levels like that could be considered buggy i guess, since you can only really get them by bad placement of large vaults 16:15:45 but they don't really harm anything, so 16:16:16 <|amethyst> doy: we recently partially fixed some harmful cases, but I think some are still possible 16:16:26 <|amethyst> where e.g. the rune vault wasn't accessible from any stair 16:17:04 <|amethyst> (level-builder code has changed a decent amount in that last few versions; talk to Grunt) 16:19:56 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:38 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 16:25:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:25:43 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:59 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:00 -!- giganticus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:12 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:02 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:45:49 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:46:14 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:47:02 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:17 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53:04 -!- Tenda has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:58:12 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:05:47 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-129-gbf5829b (34) 17:06:07 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:07:33 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09:52 -!- grit has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:11:14 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:21 You hear a grunt. 17:22:02 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:26:22 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:37 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:31 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:10 * PleasingFungus grunts. 17:29:22 -!- Orphic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:29:30 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:48 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:00 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:33:15 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 17:37:53 -!- LordSloth has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:34 Mantis doesn't have an 'experimental' tag that I can spot, where do I report a bug with Cherufes, of the Smithgod experiment? 17:40:50 <|amethyst> for now I'd say "longterm development (0.17+)" 17:40:57 <|amethyst> and maybe add a tag "experimental" 17:41:35 <|amethyst> Napkin: could we get "experimental branches" as a selectable version in Mantis? 17:43:04 <|amethyst> Napkin: err, as a "Product Branch" 17:55:22 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:23 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:23 |amethyst: I already have those, I think? 17:58:32 Let me check. 17:58:41 |amethyst: and if not then I can add them :) 17:59:23 -!- giganticus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:45 Should I hold off the submission of my ticket? 18:00:00 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:01:56 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:02:01 LordSloth: you should be able to add an "experimental" tag after you report the issue, but if it's a product branch you want... 18:02:04 -!- rast- is now known as rast 18:02:56 ...then you have one now! 18:03:48 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:06 Thanks 18:06:11 Napkin: in case you're reading this later, I added the experimental product branch :) 18:06:33 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:07:22 <|amethyst> Grunt: thanks! 18:07:32 <|amethyst> forgot you had mantis admin powers 18:07:54 <|amethyst> is there nothing Grunt can't do? Apart from "refrain from puns"? 18:08:05 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:14 <|amethyst> err, s/nothing/anything/ 18:09:24 !learn add Grunt <|amethyst> is there anything Grunt can't do? Apart from "refrain from puns"? 18:09:25 grunt[19/19]: <|amethyst> is there anything Grunt can't do? Apart from "refrain from puns"? 18:09:53 Cherufe magma form ability broken 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 by LordSloth 18:10:16 <|amethyst> I should teach Chei to understand more of the bug metadata 18:10:26 <|amethyst> or maybe doy should, since that's his code :) 18:11:52 !send doy bugs 18:11:53 Sending bugs to doy. 18:12:31 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:57 <|amethyst> oh, hm 18:13:08 <|amethyst> looks like the RSS doesn't have that info 18:13:25 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:50 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:55 <|amethyst> at least remembering bug names for future queries would be handy though 18:14:04 <|amethyst> and the rss does have descriptions 18:14:18 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:15:01 -!- epsik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:15:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:15:32 <|amethyst> but afaict the RSS doesn't even distinguish updated from new bugs 18:17:32 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:17:49 yeah, i tried using the soap api 18:17:52 and it was just Too Hard 18:18:04 feel free to give it a shot though 18:18:06 (: 18:21:58 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:31:51 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:11 <|amethyst> Give me the keyboard, give me the rope / We're going to melt them down for pills and SOAP 18:34:52 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:34:58 -!- rast- is now known as rast 18:36:41 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 18:39:25 -!- giganticus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:47 -!- negatendo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:42:09 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:50 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:44:57 -!- rast- is now known as rast 18:45:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:45:39 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 18:50:09 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:51:39 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:01 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:52:31 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:51 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:24 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:24 -!- coolbeans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:05:31 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:50 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:01 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:02 -!- rast- is now known as rast 19:08:47 -!- LordSloth has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:48 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:59 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140808030201]] 19:14:42 ??asterion 19:14:43 asterion[1/4]: A unique minotaur of Makhleb with {spectral weapon}, {major destruction}, and haste. Always has a demon weapon, morningstar, or broad axe, and a shield. 19:14:45 ??asterion[2 19:14:46 asterion[2/4]: Likes to use explosions without caring what's being exploded. Probably don't enslave him as a Yredelemnulite, unless you like being orb of eleced to death. 19:14:56 ??asterion[3 19:14:56 asterion[3/4]: I didn't know asterion was secretly mennas 19:14:58 ??asterion[4 19:14:59 asterion[4/4]: When you damage his spectral weapon, he takes damage too, just like player spectral weapon. 19:15:37 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:43 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:48 -!- rast- is now known as rast 19:15:59 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:18:27 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:33 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19:12 Asterion lives in a house with fourteen doors. 19:21:01 wrong. 19:21:04 Asterion doesn't live at all :D 19:22:09 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:36 he is not dead 19:23:39 yet he is not alive 19:24:31 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:24:47 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:25:39 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:20 -!- Fusha has quit [] 19:29:44 Bloax: amazing. 19:30:06 what is 19:30:34 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:38 I am. 19:32:06 ok 19:37:58 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 19:40:36 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-130-g977f274: Correct torpor snails' description 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=977f27479cff 19:40:36 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-66-g9fb2e88: Correct torpor snails' description 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fb2e889a2f5 19:40:50 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:43:00 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:21 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:58:53 ??hurl_hellfire 19:58:54 I don't have a page labeled hurl_hellfire in my learndb. 19:59:06 ??demonspawn_mutation 19:59:07 demonspawn mutation ~ demonspawn mutations ~ ds mutation rules[1/5]: Assuming you aren't monstrous, you get five facets, each consisting of three mutations (which usually just stack together). You will get one scales-type facet, one body-slot facet, two tier 2 facets, and one tier 3 facet. 19:59:11 ??demonspawn_mutation[2 19:59:13 demonspawn mutation ~ demonspawn mutations ~ ds mutation rules[2/5]: The {scales}-type facets are icy blue, iridescent, molten, rough black, rugged brown, slimy green, thin metallic, or yellow scales, or alternatively thin skeletal structure, large bone plates, or a repulsion field. Body-slot facets: claws, horns, antennae, hooves, talons. 19:59:18