00:00:39 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-56-gcd6ed8c 00:02:13 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:02:21 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-118-gefff164 (34) 00:02:25 -!- warrigal2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:11:16 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:11:46 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:13:47 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:58 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-118-gefff164 (34) 00:24:44 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:28 -!- Fusha has quit [] 00:32:46 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-118-gefff164 00:37:54 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:16 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 00:38:43 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 00:41:05 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:12 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:19 !messages 00:43:19 No messages for xFleury. 00:44:00 -!- xFleury has left ##crawl-dev 00:47:16 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:49:19 -!- Xen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:53:20 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:54:30 -!- Sir has quit [Client Quit] 00:56:36 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 00:59:56 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:01:17 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:04:21 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:05:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:16:29 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:49 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:17:16 -!- SirLaggard has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:20:07 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:15 really, in my opinion one of the core things that defines crawl is ridiculous amounts of variance in most everything 01:24:36 and so i'm by default skeptical of things that reduce variance even if that's not the point of them 01:24:42 (re: fixed monster hp) 01:29:00 doy: same here 01:29:06 crawl combat is so swingy, it's like, the crawl THING 01:29:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:32:15 high variance allows for a higher skill ceiling in a game like crawl 01:32:16 imo 01:32:33 certainly the learning curve just keeps on going 01:32:43 since there are only too many things to memorize how go 01:42:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:45:48 high variance means you have to adapt as you go more 01:46:34 notice that I'm not implying that high variance is a prerequisite for high skill ceiling elsewhere 01:46:47 nope 01:47:09 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:47:35 but I agree that it creates a more interesting and skillful game if you can't immediately predict the outcome of every encounter 01:47:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:50:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:22 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:43 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:04 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 02:17:18 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-56-gcd6ed8c 02:18:34 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:19:44 -!- Davens has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:22:25 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:23:08 so it looks like that function i found earlier actually returns an item_spec rather than an item_def 02:23:16 and turning an item_spec into an item_def looks complicated 02:24:10 because it's generally used for "give me a random item that looks vaguely like this" rather than "give me this specific item" 02:24:30 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-118-gefff164 (34) 02:24:32 wonder if it's worth reusing the code, or if i should just start from scratch 02:35:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:40:14 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 02:40:42 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:40:47 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:41:03 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:14 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 02:45:41 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:52:17 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:52:47 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:56:21 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:13:13 i am now waiting for tavern to cry me a river of tears 03:13:30 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:22 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:23:03 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:25:20 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:27:57 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:29:17 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:17 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:32:22 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:23 Bloax: one problem i see is that being able to -make- permafood is scummy as hell 03:34:33 ontoclasm: in what way 03:34:49 you make it out of a finite resource 03:34:50 because why wouldn't you wait for ages and ages and build up a huge stack of blood bottles 03:35:06 your only source of satiation is monsters 03:35:14 yes but there are lots and lots of those 03:35:18 why yes 03:35:22 but you also lose satiation fast 03:35:27 and you can only use it while at the very top 03:35:30 so i'm gonna scour every floor until i get nasty oods 03:35:34 (and you lose satiation very fast at the top!) 03:35:48 you won't get to engorged if you wait around for a long time 03:35:55 making the scumming difficult/annoying just makes it worse 03:36:05 well go ahead and try it out 03:36:09 i'd like to hear the results 03:36:18 i doubt it's actually possible 03:37:15 well, is it possible to ever get in a position to bottle blood 03:37:37 i assume so or else you wouldn't have added the ability 03:37:46 the message you get is misleading 03:37:55 (because the implementation is rough as hell and i forgot to change the message) 03:38:02 You can only use it while engorged. 03:38:12 yes, i read 03:38:35 i'm saying, is the hunger slow enough that you can reach engorged 03:38:40 definitely 03:38:53 it's pretty difficult to do outside of chei/stabbing and batform though 03:38:57 well, if i can do it once i can do it 20 times 03:39:13 at the very least i'll do it once each floor 03:39:25 and this gives me a very definite advantage 03:39:50 well megavp are certainly better mummyrobins than mummies 03:40:11 okay 03:40:22 but why do they even need the bottling thing 03:40:27 they can't starve to death 03:40:42 there are parts in the game where you don't have access to a lot of blood 03:40:46 why give them a scummy way to ignore the mechanic you made 03:40:54 not so much in the normal game though 03:41:05 bottles of blood spawn normally 03:41:28 i haven't seen one in a very long time 03:41:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41:47 well, maybe they don't spawn anymore? idk 03:42:00 well try and scum it and see what you get 03:42:17 i mean my stats fall pretty swiftly just by o/tabbing around early on 03:42:32 so trying to deliberately spawn OoDs will get you very low before you get any 03:42:40 and getting high takes a lot of biting 03:42:43 if i really wanted to scum it i would grab every monster on the level and kill them all at once 03:43:15 (this will take a long time but i can't starve ever 03:43:17 well actually you can scum it 03:43:37 get a couple of trolls and bite each one of them almost dead 03:43:41 while kiting them around 03:44:37 ooh, and bonus scumminess, i have to do this in batform 03:45:06 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:46:13 also why do they get fast regen all the time, i thought that was one of the Vampire Things 03:48:43 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:18 having to bottle blood right from the beginning of the game so that you don't run out later sounds annoying 03:51:48 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:52:33 also it's like this new Vp is designed for speedrunnng 03:53:17 ontoclasm: you dont need to save up for perma food unless you want to do hellpan 03:53:27 ok maybe 1 botle for Z;5 03:54:01 but in general if everything is living why would you be wanting for food 03:54:11 you might not -need- to 03:54:30 but it's +15 stats on demand 03:54:36 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:54:55 yeah, that's a very powerful potion 03:55:09 the ~optimal~ thing now is to be as full as possible at all times and you can't do that without a giant stack of blood pots 03:56:48 idk, maybe in practice it's not A Thing but i can definitely imagine it being one 03:57:03 no i mean 03:57:09 your stats will stay close to maxed out 03:57:14 if you proceed relatively quickly 03:57:17 there's no reason to drain yourself 03:57:34 back to 0 03:57:54 unless you enter corpseless branches 03:58:40 what about spider? 03:58:48 insects actually give a bit of satiation 03:58:58 just not the extra +25 clean corpses do 03:59:03 (they also don't give you hp) 03:59:58 o ye forgot spider 04:00:07 so maybe like 2 potions for spider 04:00:22 its just a matter of "When can I afford to weaken myself" 04:00:24 ontoclasm: how's the status on mummyrobin scumming? 04:00:32 you shouldn't need potions for spider 04:00:42 hmm idk ive not tested 04:00:43 unless you are for some reason exploring spider 04:01:00 well 04:01:03 most peopl explore spider 04:01:08 (in which case you're just going to float around satiated instead of full/veryfull) 04:01:09 so theyll probably want at least 1 potion 04:01:17 if they want to stay maxed 04:01:31 that's the funny thing about the race 04:01:34 but, you can probably get a few 04:01:36 in orc 04:01:37 mummies are dumb, i don't think "they're only as scummy as mummies are" is a glowing endorsement 04:01:39 o kind of blow your stats out 04:01:47 i imagine that is how I would plan it 04:01:48 well 04:01:57 probably shouldn't rot so fast then 04:02:00 most people want to use o 04:02:05 (also mummyscumming is dangerous since you run into oods, but vampscumming you can do on the fly all the time) 04:02:13 well i'm more interested in your hypothesis 04:02:19 on whether or not you can scum spawns 04:02:31 scumming has a punishment! 04:02:36 boredom 04:02:44 also yes if its a race i can't press o on i will never play it, sorry 04:02:45 you have to sit there waiting for godot 04:02:53 you can press o to win 04:03:03 it's just not as good as diving a bit every now and then 04:03:25 "What if I told you using o is suboptimal for food conservation" 04:03:40 techically 04:03:48 unique trait 04:03:48 that'd matter if food existed 04:04:01 i mean on every other race 04:04:05 yes 04:04:06 as well 04:04:07 i know 04:04:09 ok 04:04:20 crawl's food clock is you press ey every once in a while 04:04:22 yea you probably should reduce the stat rot a bit then bloax 04:04:27 because 04:04:36 no one is going to want to get only like +5 str for using auto explore 04:05:10 well i'm very interested 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Moving through this stuff is gonna be really slow! All but Ogre, Troll, Centaur, Gray draconian, Naga, Merfolk, or Octopode players in shallow water will fumble their attack 4-out-of-DEX times, and 20% of the time regardless as well. Monsters will fumble their attack 1/4 of the time. 09:56:37 ??shallow_water[2 09:56:38 shallow water[2/2]: Moving through shallow water is randomly between 30% and 100% slower (both for the player and for monsters). 09:56:46 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:18 trying to find the relevant files now 09:59:37 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:53 http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/haldagan/crash-haldagan-20140811-145054.txt 09:59:56 hmm 10:00:16 PleasingFungus: does this.. help.. at all? 10:00:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00:54 oh 10:00:56 it's that crash 10:01:34 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 10:01:58 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:02:05 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8844 10:02:35 interesting that in both cases, no crash milestone was emitted 10:04:43 %git :/utagen 10:04:47 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2373-g7cdf127: Ritually cleanse mana vipers (#8842) 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cdf127c8817 10:05:05 !bug 2466 10:05:07 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2466 10:07:34 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08:28 anyway we should fix that bug before 0.15 comes out 10:12:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-119-gc74d62a: Buff mutagenic clouds 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 15+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c74d62a8f803 10:12:48 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-57-gd99947e: Tweak Terence's description 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d99947e6f233 10:12:48 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-58-g4898494: Buff mutagenic clouds 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 15+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=489849452d08 10:17:47 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:34 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:27 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:26:36 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 10:29:01 -!- sailingcat has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:43 -!- sailingcat has quit [Client Quit] 10:30:48 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:31:45 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:33:24 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:50 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:56 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:42:12 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:43:45 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:53:08 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140807084340]] 11:06:25 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:43 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:10:56 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:14 -!- sstrickl has quit [Client Quit] 11:20:58 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:46 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:23:15 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:34:48 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:54 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:52 -!- warrigal2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:48:01 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:51:42 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:55:23 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:31 -!- Gene_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:02:00 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-58-g4898494 12:04:07 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-119-gc74d62a (34) 12:12:52 -!- warrigal2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:13:43 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:16:17 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19:03 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:29:53 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:47 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:46 -!- Xoff has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:40:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:40:41 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:02 Hey 12:41:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:42:35 Is it possible to build crawl 0.15 using the android.txt instructions? 12:44:05 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:55 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: afaik nobody has tried? 12:46:13 <|amethyst> it worked in 0.13 :) 12:46:18 -!- panabu has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:25 <|amethyst> maybe Grunt has built for android more recently? 12:50:07 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:50:07 He doesn't answer, he's probably afk 12:50:21 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:50:28 The thing is, me and a friend are trying to build dcss for android 12:50:47 Because the current last version is as old as the cdo learndb 12:51:18 And we don't know if building following the instructions will work properly 12:54:48 i'm trying to 12:55:24 I don't think grunt or anyone else has really tried. someone did make an attempt to convert it to a more modern SDL, because the ancient one it currently requires never worked very well, and gave up 12:56:02 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:58:45 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:58:55 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:32 IIRC the last version built for android was a 0.14 500~ one 13:00:24 Wasn't the android developer named "frogbotherer"? 13:00:47 <|amethyst> !seen frogbotherer 13:00:48 Sorry |amethyst, I haven't seen frogbotherer. 13:01:03 <|amethyst> yes, but hasn't been here in a year at least 13:01:17 Can anyone contact him? 13:01:46 Reaverb: What an awful sentence 13:02:12 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: Yes, the email address is in his commits 13:02:16 <|amethyst> %git 49d2b5b 13:02:16 07frogbotherer02 * 0.12-a0-1699-g49d2b5b: improved background and restore routines for Android; now traps WM_ACTIVEEVENT instead of using callbacks 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 2 files, 32+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49d2b5b12039 13:02:17 oh woah that was ages ago 13:02:54 Thanks! 13:03:26 If we DO manage to build it, will you share it? 13:03:45 Assuming it works like 0.13 does 13:03:47 <|amethyst> probably... we might have more specific instructions 13:03:53 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:57 <|amethyst> and someone needs to get the signing key from galehar 13:04:21 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-b1-58-g4898494 13:05:03 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:41 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:44 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:08:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:09:54 Oh my god no wonder no one tried 13:09:59 -!- moxian has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:10:26 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:13:36 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:16:56 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:17:51 -!- panabu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:18:06 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:30 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:20:52 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:13 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:22 Does anyone here knows how to help us? 13:23:29 It's a lot of work 13:24:58 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:35 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:25:42 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 13:29:51 Frogbotherer is Chris West, right? 13:29:52 we don't really have any local tiles devs (those who understand how it really works, or even who play it much) 13:30:08 right now that is 13:30:19 ??devteam[wiki 13:30:20 devteam[1/16]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 13:30:59 according to that, yes 13:31:42 IIRC there is a dev called "barbs" 13:31:54 He has an unnoficial crawl 0.14 console version 13:32:14 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 13:32:22 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:39 Do you guys think he could help us? If he built it for console he probably can build a tiles version 13:35:03 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:35:55 not a dev afaik, though he might still be able to help 13:37:20 also building a console version is very different from a tiles version 13:37:29 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:35 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:33 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:48 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:02 rockygargoyle: i wish i could help :C 13:49:46 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:50:01 this is the extent of my ability to help with android tiles: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/alt/altars.png 13:51:40 haha 13:53:14 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:20 I tried to contact Chris 13:59:59 ah yes 14:00:01 metal snails 14:00:05 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 14:00:48 ? 14:02:56 just something a fungus wanted me to do 14:04:20 !send Bloax a runed fungus 14:04:21 Sending a runed fungus to Bloax. 14:09:17 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: probably you're best off waiting for a response from frogbotherer, as he's the only one who really knows the android stuff :( 14:09:29 I'll do that 14:09:46 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:11:35 <|amethyst> and/or finding some more experienced android devs who have used the SDL android port (the first is easy, the latter maybe not so much) 14:13:16 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:13:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:27 -!- mineral is now known as read 14:13:55 i remember kilobyte wasn't sure why we use opengl at all even on desktops 14:14:28 <|amethyst> nor am I 14:15:37 Can you give me emails to these devs? 14:16:11 <|amethyst> I was talking about hypothetical android devs 14:16:16 Aah 14:16:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:25 <|amethyst> If we had some, we'd be able to help more :) 14:16:41 <|amethyst> and we would have released 0.14 for android :) 14:17:30 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:30 It's amazing that there was only one person working on such "hard" project 14:17:33 <|amethyst> as for something you said earlier: console is very different; a console android build probably doesn't require any real porting, but tiles definitely did 14:18:52 <|amethyst> Since android = linux at the console level, but not really at the UI and graphical level 14:19:35 <|amethyst> s@linux@desktop GNU/Linux@ 14:21:15 I thought making a tiles build wouldn't be so different than building a console because I've seen things like unnethack on android, which allows you to switch between tiles and console 14:22:17 <|amethyst> I suspect a fair amount of effort went in to make that work :) 14:22:17 it depends on how it's implemented, though 14:35:58 crawl's codebase is kinda three and a half in one: console, local tiles, webtiles, android tiles. the tiles variants don't share anywhere near as much as you'd think 14:35:58 IIRC there has been some musing about converting it to just console+webtiles, with local tiles being a built-in browser sufficient to talk to a webtiles server configured to run only on loopback 14:35:58 <|amethyst> but webtiles is missing so much that SDL tiles has 14:35:58 <|amethyst> then again, SDL tiles has some very strange things 14:36:00 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37:34 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:34 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 14:37:36 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 14:37:49 it is actually rather clearly not latency on a low-latency server 14:38:24 not just possible; judging by various reports about restarting browsers, differences in browsers and browser versions, etc., webtiles is pretty clearly pushing the limits of current browsers 14:38:29 playing a ranged character or running braverobin and holding o shows it off pretty well 14:38:44 and/or needs to be rearchitected for efficiency on the client end 14:39:06 find somone to write a new brower, can't be that hard can it? :p 14:39:41 it seems funny that every browser these days just eats up 700 MB of RAM right off the bat 14:39:44 write it in c++, compile it with emscripten 14:39:46 (: 14:39:46 didn't someone a year or so back find some low hanging fruit in how the current webtiles client end handles images? 14:40:15 <|amethyst> nrook has been working on stuff more recently 14:40:28 <|amethyst> %git 9ff0d5b 14:40:36 07nrook02 {|amethyst} * 0.15-a0-2172-g9ff0d5b: Webtiles: Make visible() take a cell rather than coordinates. 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 6+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ff0d5b6caf7 14:43:55 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:31 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:44:42 again someone flooding the apache 14:44:46 how annoying 14:45:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:37 sounds like they're 14:45:40 !glasses 14:45:40 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 14:45:45 getting to the choppa 14:46:31 <|amethyst> Would you say it's 14:46:33 <|amethyst> !glasses 14:46:33 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 14:46:35 <|amethyst> DOS 2.0 ? 14:55:06 -!- Miauw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:55:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 15:05:06 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:07:41 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:49 -!- Tenda is now known as TendaAway 15:09:10 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:12:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:15:46 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:20:11 i just read something about removing local tiles in favour of a webtiles interface 15:20:19 i think i would not play crawl anymore if that happened :( 15:20:59 though it was probably just a suggestion / idea 15:21:03 read: anything in particular that hasn't been mentioned yet? 15:21:08 any features, that is 15:21:36 or bugs, for that matter 15:22:44 all of the important stuff has been mentioned, from my perspective, just that i can imagine the latency issue never being fixed 15:22:55 and since a lot of people are used to it, it being seen as a non-issue 15:23:13 and it's been around forever as far as I know 15:24:38 i think that a bunch of the mouse menus in local tiles could probably be left out though 15:25:06 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:06 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:26 I don't believe that's been seriously suggested 15:25:31 well 15:25:51 we're dropping local support for PPC OSX in 0.16 15:25:55 yeah after re-reading it, sounds like something that people were talking about 15:26:01 but that never had a lot of traction 15:26:08 to upgrade C++ versions? 15:26:16 i don't think it's a reasonable suggestion as long as webtiles is missing important features from local tiles 15:26:23 i do think it's a reasonable long term goal though 15:26:23 ??is cdo down 15:26:24 is cdo down[1/1]: Nope! 15:26:25 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:26:31 agreed doy :o 15:26:32 why can't I access the devwiki then 15:26:38 How old are the oldest PPC Macs anyhow, pretty old. 15:27:01 2006 15:27:07 Er, newest* 15:27:31 dropping that sounds very reasonable :) 15:27:32 <|amethyst> !learn edit is_cdo_down[1] s/.*/Apache is down; ssh works./ 15:27:33 is cdo down[1/1]: Apache is down; ssh works. 15:27:47 <|amethyst> it wouldn't even be dropping support 15:27:50 ??0.16 plan 15:27:50 I don't have a page labeled 0.16_plan in my learndb. Did you mean: 0.14_plan, 0.15_plan. 15:27:55 ??0.14 plan 15:27:56 <|amethyst> since you can get a newer compiler, just not from xcode 15:27:56 0.14 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.14_plan 15:28:02 <|amethyst> no more universal builds though 15:28:04 rip plans 15:28:07 what's the "power" in powerpc anyhow 15:28:25 generally I would welcome unified tiles versions, as long as I get the best of both worlds :) 15:28:29 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:38 <|amethyst> Bloax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Architecture 15:28:44 like, nice menus and a working enemy list from webtiles, mouse support from local tiles 15:28:50 <|amethyst> Bloax: also used by IBM for some of their mainframes etc 15:29:02 also no performance issues plz :) 15:29:29 by the way, who pays for all the different crawl servers and cdo? are they by donation? 15:29:34 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:29:44 well, they are donated by the server admins 15:30:02 <|amethyst> Bloax: It was pretty powerful compared to Intel processors of the time, but got left behind as Intel and AMD pumped more and more money into R&D 15:30:28 well yeah 15:30:31 Bloax do you have something like a design doc for your revamp of vamps? (heh) 15:30:35 <|amethyst> (not that it's a dead architecture by any means) 15:30:38 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:41 read: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/strong_vampires.txt somewhat 15:31:10 |amethyst: I'm assuming that it's dead for OSX mainstream use. 15:31:49 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 15:32:30 i think tiger still supports ppc 15:32:35 but everything after does not 15:33:00 <|amethyst> Bloax: right, OS X doesn't support OS X anymore, but the architecture is still in use elsewhere (mostly IBM) 15:33:04 -!- omni5cience has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:08 <|amethyst> err 15:33:11 PPC* 15:33:13 <|amethyst> OS X doesn't support PPC 15:33:28 <|amethyst> and s/the architecture/the POWER architecture/ 15:33:40 But yes, modern CPUs are nothing to sneeze at. 15:33:58 apple doesn't much support previous OS Xs much either aiui 15:34:05 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 15:34:13 <|amethyst> apple doesn't much support previous anything 15:34:18 <|amethyst> history began last year 15:34:24 (not that this means that making your code run fast shouldn't be a priority) 15:34:42 <|amethyst> "The universe is a sphere one light year in diameter." 15:34:48 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:48 <|amethyst> s/diameter/radius/ 15:35:02 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 15:35:18 Bloax: would vampires get statgain? 15:35:28 Lightli: statgain in what way 15:35:36 i.e. level up statgain 15:35:39 The permafood creation thing has scumming issues I think. 15:35:42 ??stat gain [2] 15:35:42 they don't have random stats, no 15:35:43 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg sid/2 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu none | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp none | VS sd/4 15:35:43 But the concepts are neat. 15:36:02 (since they're already 20/14/20 when stuffed) 15:36:10 i kinda like how the current vampires have benefits to being both full and starving 15:36:14 you still get the picked stats though 15:36:20 so it's not just a "you always want to be full" thing 15:36:22 true 15:36:25 doy: yeah it's an interesting thing 15:36:28 and i like it too 15:36:33 it just doesn't.. play too well 15:36:40 not in crawl 15:36:44 still means a tr beats a vp out in strength once it gets high enough in level 15:36:47 ??starting stats [2] 15:36:48 starting stats[2/3]: Ce 10,7,4 | DD 11,8,8 | DE 5,12,10 | Dg 11,12,11 | Dr 10,8,6 | Ds 8,9,8 | Fe 4,9,11 | Fo 12,7,6 | Gh 11,3,4 | Gr 11,8,5 | Ha 8,7,9 | HE 7,11,10 | HO 10,8,6 | Hu 8,8,8 | Ko 6,6,11 | Mf 8,7,9 | Mi 12,5,5 | Mu 11,7,7 | Na 10,8,6 | Og 12,7,5 | Op 7,10,7 | Sp 4,9,11 | Te 8,8,9 | Tr 15,4,5 | Vp 7,10,9 | VS 10,8,9 15:36:52 yep 15:36:59 current vampires have very, very few situations where I'd rather be not-full than full 15:37:06 Also 14 int is a bit high for starting off 15:37:13 Compare to DE 15:37:13 although megavp beat the crap out of them in terms of str+dex 15:37:23 it's an xl8 DE 15:37:31 true 15:37:33 so yeah they are.. pretty buff 15:37:56 so exactly what you'd expect a vampire to be 15:39:01 you can expect a vampire to be anything and be right in som mythology :P 15:39:24 indeed 15:39:33 I expect demigods to start with all 27s and go up from there. please implement in 0.16, tia 15:39:47 i'm more a fan of the ancient immortal powerhouse kind of vampire 15:40:56 'immortal' seems like a pretty strong trait for a crawl character 15:41:18 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 15:41:18 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:41:23 naw 15:41:47 <|amethyst> Outside, the world ends. 15:42:00 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:20 PleasingFungus: being immortal just means you get overconfident. !lg * ckiller=hubris 15:42:48 isn't that just "!lg *" 15:42:50 <|amethyst> FR: shorten that check by a couple of orders of magnitude 15:42:53 <|amethyst> !lg * max=turns 15:42:56 3465662. apocalypserobin the Farming Insei (L3 VpMo), quit the game in the Temple (circular_temple_6) on 2011-10-25 16:08:51, with 67 points after 199999999 turns and 1d+12:40:50. 15:43:04 -!- Gene_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:43:13 <|amethyst> 2 million turns would be plenty 15:43:24 bug report: titans are killable by non-gods 15:43:27 <|amethyst> !lg * max=turns / turns>2000000 15:43:28 21/3465662 games for *: N=21/3465662 (0.00%) 15:43:33 i'm reminded of the machine of death story "in battle, alone and soon forgotten" 15:43:34 <|amethyst> !lg * max=turns / turns>2000000 s=char 15:43:38 21/3465662 games for *: 3/8222x MuFi [0.04%], 3/13388x MuSu [0.02%], 3/4395x MuRe [0.07%], 2/33952x MuWz [0.01%], 2/7469x SpWz [0.03%], 1/857x VpWr [0.12%], 1/9043x MuIE [0.01%], 1/11607x MuCK [0.01%], 1/6524x MDPa [0.02%], 1/5827x VpMo [0.02%], 1/20437x MuNe [0.00%], 1/4255x MuSt [0.02%], 1/2589x MuGl [0.04%], 0/5983x KoEn [0.00%], 0/15x DjPr [0.00%], 0/15x GEBe [0.00%], 0/16x OMSt [0.00%], 0/16x... 15:43:42 <|amethyst> err 15:43:47 in which one character's death prediction is "hubris" 15:43:52 <|amethyst> !lg * max=turns turns>2000000 x=race 15:43:53 21. [race=Vampire] apocalypserobin the Farming Insei (L3 VpMo), quit the game in the Temple (circular_temple_6) on 2011-10-25 16:08:51, with 67 points after 199999999 turns and 1d+12:40:50. 15:43:56 <|amethyst> !lg * max=turns turns>2000000 s=race 15:43:56 21 games for * (turns>2000000): 16x Mummy, 2x Spriggan, 2x Vampire, Mountain Dwarf 15:44:16 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:44:19 fr: apocalypse crab farmers 15:44:22 <|amethyst> !lg * x=max(turns) s=race 15:44:27 3465664 games for *: 379695x Demonspawn [598022], 335885x Deep Elf [1250728], 208826x Minotaur [491847], 180438x Spriggan [2996994], 175850x High Elf [1263620], 159219x Mummy [92568259], 145372x Hill Orc [1135525], 135592x Octopode [341065], 128729x Merfolk [464106], 117155x Kobold [355353], 115548x Human [441972], 114681x Draconian [17784], 112714x Vampire [199999999], 99361x Naga [841428], 97275... 15:44:38 not sure whether they'd be crabs who farm or people who farm crabs 15:45:23 <|amethyst> !lg md max=turns 15:45:23 No games for md. 15:45:26 <|amethyst> !lg * md max=turns 15:45:26 97275. Tityrus the Farming Blocker (L24 MDPa of The Shining One), drowned on D:21 on 2008-12-23 10:50:13, with 379462 points after 16862099 turns and 8:03:16. 15:45:46 apocalypse crabs who farm or crabs who farm apocalypses or people who farm apocalypse crabs 15:46:00 <|amethyst> !lg * sp max=turns 15:46:01 180438. Sky the Farming Archmage (L27 SpWz of Makhleb), blasted by a greater mummy (divine providence) on Zig:23 on 2013-01-27 08:52:48, with 1897405 points after 2996994 turns and 21:01:33. 15:46:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:48:17 -!- coolbeans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:50:14 -!- bananaken has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:58:02 -!- Guest1 has quit [Client Quit] 15:58:11 -!- Guest1 has quit [Client Quit] 15:59:19 -!- DarkEternal_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:24 -!- halv has quit [Client Quit] 16:00:58 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 16:01:10 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:20 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:04 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:09:39 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 16:10:16 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:11:29 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:02 -!- Fusha has quit [] 16:16:07 hm 16:16:09 someday 16:16:18 it would be nice to make uniques place in a way that wasn't dumb 16:17:40 what do you mean? 16:19:26 right now they place as vaults & don't follow the usual constraints on monster placement 16:19:54 placing as vaults was supposed to be an improvement over the previous method of placement 16:20:07 so they can spawn on top of doors (erasing them), inside parts of vaults that aren't supposed to have monsters (inside flame cloud zones), etc 16:20:46 i feel like that would be a bug, if the unique's vault were placed atop another vault 16:21:05 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:20 unrelated: fr: door mimic unique 16:21:58 IMO we need silver/ice/orange statue mimics 16:22:00 yeah, aren't vaults not supposed to be placed on top of other vaults 16:22:53 can_overwrite which all uniques vaults have lets them 16:23:12 ah, okay 16:23:20 it is good that you can have uniques in encompass vaults i think 16:23:28 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:23:28 yeah, that's true 16:23:50 |amethyst recently improved the behavior of unique vault placement i think? 16:23:59 -!- CatPlusPlus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:43 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:27:31 doy! 16:27:39 Napkin! 16:27:47 where have you been hiding? :D 16:27:55 how's it going? :) 16:29:30 busy.. as always :-P 16:29:49 yeah, just been busy(: 16:30:12 <|amethyst> wheals: Zaba, not me 16:30:25 on other news: apache is stable (last 12 month) at 10 million hits a month with around 300gb traffic 16:30:35 hm, ok cool 16:30:37 nice 16:30:40 wow 16:30:48 i do think you were doing something with map generation, right? 16:31:38 <|amethyst> wheals: just catching some abyss-only cases 16:32:00 %git :/opaque 16:32:03 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2140-gbaffb6d: Make blocked beams fall back to visible paths if possible (#8804). 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=baffb6df9d99 16:32:07 with /tavern/ doing twice as much requests than /debian/ which is doing twice as much /wordpress/ which is doing 4 times as much as /wiki/ and /mantis/ 16:33:21 and /trunk/ doing most of the traffic 16:33:23 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:43 interesting, is /debian/ the debian repository downloads? 16:33:50 with /tavern/ doing twice as many requests as /debian/ which is doing twice as much as /wordpress/ which is doing 4 times as much as /wiki/ and /mantis/ 16:33:54 yes, wheals 16:34:08 neat 16:34:23 also yeah amethyst did make some improvements recently; I'd forgot 16:34:41 was looking at a guy's game who had boris trapped in the freezing cloud gauntlet 16:34:44 which seemed incorrect 16:35:18 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:09 -!- CacoS has quit [] 16:36:40 oh 16:36:41 !vault lemuel_ice_spiral_2 16:36:42 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des;hb=HEAD#l1939 16:36:51 it doesn't actually have no_monster_gen 16:38:35 ...it should maybe have that 16:41:45 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:44:45 in conclusion, I'm dumb 16:45:57 perhaps monsters should wander away from fog generators 16:46:57 <|amethyst> fog machines need to be easier to predict 16:47:18 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 16:47:55 <|amethyst> For example, you should be able to calculate (or specify) a priori what squares will be affected 16:48:01 in general, or for that to work? 16:48:07 <|amethyst> in general 16:48:26 fr: fog branch 16:48:26 <|amethyst> none of this exclusion radius 1 or 0 stuff 16:48:43 by "you" do you mean vault creators or players? 16:49:09 player creators; i.e. bot writers 16:49:10 <|amethyst> doy: both (the latter through autoexclude, hopefully not doing their own calculations :) 16:49:11 the autoexclusion, i think 16:49:38 i'm a ways late to the party, but what about remaking local using javascript? 16:49:48 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 16:50:09 it has the benefit of being (relatively) os-neutral 16:50:15 rewrite shopping.cc in FORTRAN 16:50:17 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: you could do most of it with (essentially) macros 16:50:37 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: the problem would be making sure you don't send those keys when the UI isn't ready for them (at the main game loop) 16:50:59 rewrite xom.cc to be a polyglot 16:51:03 ontoclasm: that would need much beefier hardware though 16:51:11 <|amethyst> I wouldn't want webtile to have the same problems with asynchronous changes to game state that local tiles does 16:51:22 rewrite the code for the ` key to be a twine 16:51:34 <|amethyst> "quine"? 16:51:38 er, yeh 16:51:44 doh 16:51:49 <|amethyst> oh, good, I was worried I was getting 16:51:53 <|amethyst> roped into something 16:51:57 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:52:04 * Zannick yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh 16:52:30 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:31 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 16:52:46 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: I mean, remaking the local interface in webtiles 16:53:02 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: I guess you probably meant something else 16:53:08 |amethyst: obv. you should take everything i say with a large grain of salt, since i have no idea what i'm talking about, but effectively you'd just set up a local, one-person webtiles server 16:53:17 that's exactly what i meant 16:53:23 ontoclasm: that is what people have suggested 16:53:25 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: that's what was being discussed earlier 16:53:32 aha 16:53:40 hence "late to the party" 16:53:44 xD 16:53:47 it's not a bad idea, barring existing bugs/missing features in webtiles 16:53:54 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/scary_snail2.png 16:54:01 hi 16:54:03 * ontoclasm seems to speed up. 16:54:35 doy: barring those, yes. however... 16:54:51 Bloaxor: the eyes look a little weird 16:54:57 seems fine otherwise 16:55:03 * doy waves hands frantically 16:55:26 I'm not too fond of them either. 16:55:28 * Zannick breaks the fourth wall 16:55:34 But they're really strained for space. 16:55:52 <|amethyst> as I was saying, implementing the mouse stuff wouldn't be *too* hard, if you let the client know when you're ready to accept normal commands (and whether you can back out of the current state) 16:56:09 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:12 <|amethyst> the parenthetical part might be tough 16:56:16 hm 16:56:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:24 what do snail eyes actually look like? 16:56:42 <|amethyst> close enough: http://slugsolos.tumblr.com/ 16:56:52 solid 16:57:00 anyway gis suggests they look pretty similar to the rest of the stalk 16:57:04 especially at any distance 16:57:23 could probably do well enough just creating the shape without doing drastic colour changes? 16:57:32 the slight widening into a ball 16:57:37 <|amethyst> You take a mortal slug / And put him in control / .... / Swaying to the Gastronok in the Dungeon 16:57:38 without making them kind of blue gem eyes, like you have there 16:57:39 http://31.media.tumblr.com/4ffd2bc1250192297e6d6780c2a4cb96/tumblr_n9r5vqOJsU1thoekio1_500.jpg oh christ 16:57:42 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:50 pls don't post photos of me 16:57:52 <|amethyst> Bloaxor: excellent timing 16:58:08 |amethyst: are there parts of the ui that actually require server communication other than things that replicate keyboard commands 16:58:28 <|amethyst> doy: indicating which ones are possible 16:59:11 |amethyst: which ones of what? 16:59:28 <|amethyst> doy: sorry, which commands are currently available and which are not 16:59:45 <|amethyst> (also, disabled versus completely absent) 16:59:59 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:00:02 |amethyst: isn't that knowledge already required for keyboard commands? 17:00:17 <|amethyst> doy: no, the client just sends the keys to the server 17:00:23 hmmm 17:00:25 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:39 <|amethyst> doy: which forwards them on to the crawl binary; it's known on the Crawl side but not javascript 17:01:18 that seems less than ideal even without mouse being involved 17:02:15 well, i guess it would have typeahead 17:02:19 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:32 char ungotched; 17:03:21 !apt vp 17:03:21 Vp: Fighting: -1, Short: 1, Long: 0, Axes: -1, Maces: -2, Polearms: -1, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: -2*, Armour: -2, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 5!, Shields: -1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: -3*, Hexes: 4!, Charms: 1, Summ: 0, Nec: 1, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 1, Fire: -2, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: -1*, Evo: 0, Exp: -1, HP: 0, MP: 0 17:03:47 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:59 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:22 -!- Annabella has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:04:33 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-119-gc74d62a (34) 17:05:43 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 17:13:13 !lg * de sk=bows s=title 17:13:14 3193 games for * (de sk=bows): 3060x Shooter, 96x Archer, 15x Markself, 12x Master Archer, 6x Crack Shot, 2x Merry Elf, 2x Yeoman 17:14:50 -!- Annabella has quit [Excess Flood] 17:15:04 huh 17:15:13 !lg * title=yeoman s=sk 17:15:14 195 games for * (title=yeoman): 195x Bows 17:15:27 thought it was an old plarms 17:15:46 maybe i'm just thinking of yeomen from slashem 17:16:43 -!- grit has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:19:49 -!- timbw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:23:24 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:24:45 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:26:04 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:33:10 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:52 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 17:36:56 -!- stanzwecha is now known as stanzill 17:38:52 -!- excalibur03 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:41:17 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 17:41:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:44:19 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:45:43 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:46:16 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 17:49:38 bottling your own blood is actually taken straight from slashem 17:54:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:57:43 -!- CampinSam has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:35 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:42 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:08:54 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:09 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:34 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:50 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:22 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:21:47 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:34 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:29:07 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:15 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:46 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:53 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:41:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:42:44 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:44:21 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:49:28 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:53:58 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:59 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:12 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:55:13 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140611030204]] 18:55:14 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 18:55:30 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:49 -!- grit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:57:32 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:04:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:31 -!- Palyth has quit [] 19:08:18 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:08 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:10:52 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:40 All right. How do you throw stuff magically and/or awkwardly... 19:11:56 wrong channel? 19:12:50 (portal projectile and Q/F, respectively) 19:12:52 I'm testing stuff. 19:12:55 Thanks. 19:13:06 oh, ok 19:15:08 "You magically throw a poisoned tomahawk." "You awkwardly magically throw a bread ration." 19:15:09 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:15:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:16:25 Now what are some monsters that magically throw? 19:16:54 naga sniper 19:20:53 I don't seem to have such a monster... 19:20:55 -!- dienosore has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:23:08 naga sharpshooter (15N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 9 | HP: 58-85 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 503(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(72), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 831 | Sp: portal projectile | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 19:23:08 %??Naga sharpshooter 19:23:11 "The naga sharpshooter magically shoots an arrow." 19:23:17 cheap as fuck 19:23:22 yeah theyre jerks 19:23:39 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:22 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:24:39 So, do you guys agree that these sound better than the current phrasing? 19:24:55 "Magically, you awkwardly throw a bread ration" and "Magically, the naga sharpshooter shoots an arrow"? 19:25:14 Imo, putting the word "magically" at the front like that makes it sound like the game is astonished at what just happened. 19:25:40 overall i think it sounds better, but "you awkwardly magically throw" sounds worse 19:25:55 You could say it sounds... 19:26:04 [pun redacted] 19:26:26 How about "You magically but awkwardly throw a bread ration"? 19:26:57 Or just "You magically awkwardly throw a bread ration". 19:27:40 Your bread ration awkwardly flies through a portal at the naga sharpshooter. 19:27:48 Concise. 19:28:14 tswett: you just need a comma 19:28:18 maybe ban awkward portal throws ;-P 19:28:24 ^ 19:28:41 tswett: I don't think the message is a big issue, but your versions do sound better. However, if you want those messages in the game I imagine you would need to make a patch yourself. <_< 19:28:50 I've already edited the code. 19:28:55 I'm just asking for feedback now. 19:29:02 "You awkwardly, magically throw a bread ration." "You magically, awkwardly throw a bread ration." 19:29:21 maybe use a different verb for "awkwardly throw" 19:29:31 I feel like the contrast between "awkwardly" and "magically" might call for a "but". 19:29:34 "fling" maybe? 19:29:41 toss 19:29:44 Hm. 19:29:56 toss suggests the lack of force which is good since it does no damage 19:30:06 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:30:08 yeah, that could work 19:30:30 I kind of like "fling". 19:30:39 fling is fine too 19:30:49 Though "fling" doesn't sound very good without an indirect object. 19:30:59 You magically fling a +7 sling. 19:31:10 i do think toss is slightly better, because of the lack of damage thing 19:31:22 How about "You magically throw away a bread ration." 19:31:25 there's no actual reason it has to have the "awkward" connotation 19:31:38 Or "toss away". 19:31:59 that kind of implies a lack of direction 19:32:45 Would players be confused and think that it didn't go in any carefully chosen direction? 19:33:37 "lob"? 19:34:06 pitch 19:34:10 drive 19:34:14 Personally, I like "You (magically) toss away a bread ration". Does anyone dislike that? 19:34:24 "You magically hop behind the wheel and drive a bread ration." 19:34:30 pprojectile is a good golf spell 19:34:36 You magically fumble. 19:34:47 could be clumsily, to match melee 19:34:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:07 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:35:09 wheals: well, we were trying to get away from the two adverbs in a row, which sounds weird 19:35:15 -!- fd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:35:21 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:36:13 tswett: i think that's probably better than the current text, at least 19:37:53 FR: portal polearm 19:37:53 this should work 19:38:05 Miraculously for the magically + awkwardly compound 19:38:54 I think "awkwardly" definitely implies a lack of skill. 19:39:43 "Clumsily" and "fumble", too. 19:41:11 All right, let's remake. 19:42:12 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:43:25 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:46:22 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:24 "You toss away a bread ration." "You throw a javelin of returning." "You shoot an arrow." "You magically toss away a book of Hinderance." "You magically throw a javelin of returning." "You magically shoot an arrow." 19:47:33 * Grunt awkwardly throws out suggestions. 19:48:15 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 19:49:17 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 19:55:07 * Grunt clumsily bashes the sugestions but does no damage. 19:57:08 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 19:58:10 Change wording for awkwardly/magically throwing 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 by tswett 19:58:55 tswett opens the mantis issue like a pillowcase!!!! 19:59:30 Magically, you post a patch. 19:59:57 I do tend to open pillowcases in a violent and destructive manner. 20:00:07 ??pillowcase 20:00:10 pillowcase[1/1]: Linley Henzell doesn't know how to open these. 20:00:50 fr: linen golems 20:01:12 pillow golem 20:01:45 make a cloud of feathers when you hit it 20:02:15 Feathers are monsters represented by the letter b. 20:02:38 AF_TICKLE 20:02:43 s/F/T 20:02:55 i guess AF_TICKLE sounds cool too 20:03:05 ignores AC and EV 20:03:11 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:32 causes you to lose a turn 20:03:44 but the game flips a coin at the start of the game whether you're ticklish or not 20:03:52 There's a new stat, besides Int, Str, and Dex, which is Seriousness (Ser). 20:03:57 Seriousness does exactly two things. 20:04:19 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:04:31 It makes you less affected by feathers, and it makes Xom like you less. 20:05:07 Also low seriousousness means the game messages can be randomly taken from LANG_GRUNT 20:05:18 0 Ser causes the mislead effect. 20:05:21 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:06:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:06:36 High Seriousness makes the game use periods instead of exclamation marks. 20:06:42 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:45 "You open the naga like a pillowcase...." 20:10:21 that's not high seriousness 20:10:31 that's high "hello i am a child on the interenet"ness 20:10:52 wow, rude..... 20:11:02 so serious... 20:11:10 fight me.. bitch... 20:11:22 Indeed, it is seen as immature to use an even number of dots. 20:13:25 -!- andrewhl has quit [Client Quit] 20:15:52 Or a composite number of dots or a number of dots which is not a triangular number. 20:16:42 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:16:50 It is immature to use >= 2 periods at the end of a sentence unless it is there for a very specific effect. 20:17:14 or <1 period 20:18:07 A number of dots that is prime, composite, or nilpotent. 20:18:13 <1 period means that you have simply stopped caring 20:18:22 single "?". (in hyperserious mode, all messages are replaced with single "?"s; the competent player will know what is intended) 20:19:01 You shred the dancing broad axe of distortion????? 20:19:21 High Seriousness causes the game to become an essay about existential risk. 20:20:26 "There are many plausible ways in which humanity could cease to exist, or to otherwise catastrophically fail, within the foreseeable future. These risks can be categorized as follows." 20:20:40 (Two thousand pages later...) 20:20:43 Out side, the world comes to an end? 20:21:05 "To win this game, eliminate these risks." 20:24:20 CSZO seems laggy 20:24:20 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:21 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:24:33 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25:22 !tell eb That's not intended. I'll look into it. 20:25:23 Lasty: OK, I'll let eb know. 20:27:03 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:28:56 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:29:03 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:06 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:35 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:38:47 * tswett smashes his patch with a +4 war hammer of merging. 20:38:49 Night, everyone. 20:39:00 -!- tswett has quit [] 20:41:15 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:50 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:51:41 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:37 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:37 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 20:54:43 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:17 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:46 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:04:51 -!- smajdalf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:09:14 Screen indicates rotten chunks can be eaten 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 by Vinterriket 21:20:32 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:33 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:27:02 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:07 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:32:33 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:39 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:17 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:32 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:44:04 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 21:54:21 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:05 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 21:56:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:59:27 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00:40 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 22:02:37 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:42 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:04:45 -!- rast- is now known as rast 22:17:38 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:17:50 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 22:18:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:51 -!- Nomi is now known as Nomi_ 22:38:18 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:52 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:42:19 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:36 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:44:41 -!- rast- is now known as rast 22:46:03 03tswett02 {doy} 07* 0.16-a0-120-g9ad1ca1: Change wording for magically/awkwardly throwing 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ad1ca127e3d 22:46:19 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 22:48:10 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:43 * Grunt tosses away that commit. 22:48:44 <_< 22:49:02 >_> 22:49:06 v_v 22:49:12 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:49:15 !bug 8844 22:49:15 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8844 22:49:19 I wish I had ideas for this 22:49:25 it seems like a good thing to fix 22:49:34 BEHOLD THE CRASH 22:49:36 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:56 I wish I had ideas for vampires. 22:49:57 * PleasingFungus beholds. 22:50:19 unfortunately i am all out of ideas for now 22:51:16 Don't force it. Take a break for a while. 22:51:42 that's what i'm doing 22:51:59 unfortunately nobody seems to point out what's OP 22:52:16 and i'm too braindead after messing with the code so much to figure it out 22:52:24 You feel devoid of brains! 22:54:58 You hunger for brains, not vampires! 22:55:16 * Grunt shuffles towards Bloaxzorro horrifyingly. 22:55:26 i am spooked 22:59:24 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 23:01:03 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:01:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-121-ga608278: Don't place Boris in a maze filled with freezing clouds 10(37 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6082780901c 23:01:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-122-g66f6276: Remove a useless harmful-chunk-eating prompt 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 56-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66f62763e632 23:01:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-123-g3c51aac: Slowly add a new torpor snail sprite (Bloax) 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c51aacae9c2 23:01:53 I... did not remember pushing that 23:02:17 "oops" 23:02:27 w/e 23:02:49 I considered changing the weird snail eyes, then decided it was a cool magic unnatural snail thing 23:03:51 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:03:54 -!- rast- is now known as rast 23:04:55 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-124-gcfa7fbd: Update the changelog for 0.16-a0-123-g3c51aac 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfa7fbded139 23:06:35 03tswett02 {PleasingFungus} 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-59-gdde0fa5: Change wording for magically/awkwardly throwing 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dde0fa586667 23:06:35 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-60-gef2d634: Don't place Boris in a maze filled with freezing clouds 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef2d634359fe 23:06:35 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-61-gdc59bad: Remove a useless harmful-chunk-eating prompt 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 56-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc59bad996f2 23:06:35 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-62-ga497131: Slowly add a new torpor snail sprite (Bloax) 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a49713185437 23:06:35 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-63-g828a17f: Update the changelog for 0.15-b1-62-ga497131 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=828a17f6ee8e 23:07:13 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:07:36 PleasingFungus: er, isn't the ugly thing thing in 0.15? 23:07:58 did i put it in the wrong place 23:07:58 PleasingFungus: it doesn't need to be listed in the 0.16 changelog if so :) 23:08:03 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:08:04 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 23:08:04 oh 23:08:12 Grunt: look at the file 23:08:14 the diff is misleading 23:08:21 oh 23:08:26 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:32 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:08:36 no 0.16-specific changes 23:08:40 yet 23:08:43 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 23:08:46 (unless you count gozag???) 23:08:57 well 23:09:01 %git HEAD^{/Serpent of Hell} 23:09:01 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-52-g9bcff70: Double the Serpent of Hell's HP. 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bcff70278ca 23:09:04 that counts 23:09:04 right 23:09:05 ??? 23:09:15 I considered mentioning it but then I didn't. coinflip() 23:09:46 I mentioned ugly things in an attempt to minimize surprise ugly thing deaths on d:12. your agenda for the serpent of hell may differ 23:10:04 I aim to make life for players 23:10:05 !glasses 23:10:06 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 23:10:06 hellish 23:10:07 !!!! 23:10:10 8) 23:10:14 PleasingFungus: the stack trace makes it look like it might be a webtiles issue (the beholder thing) 23:10:26 oh 23:10:29 that would explain a lot 23:10:33 the beholding stops, and it prints a message like "the mermaid stops singing" 23:10:42 and as part of the sending a message, it tries to update the status area 23:10:51 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:10:53 but the beholding has already been stopped 23:10:56 doy: johnny0 isn't a webtiles player 23:11:08 Grunt: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20140801-045952.txt 23:11:10 though I guess people could have been watching him on wetiles then? 23:11:21 that stacktrace is running webtiles code 23:11:29 hm 23:11:49 uh 23:12:00 TilesFramework update_input_mode mouse_mode 23:12:07 that doesn't sound like webtiles??? 23:12:29 tileweb.cc? 23:12:37 and there's also a webtiles stack at the bottom of the dump 23:13:44 ah, I see it now 23:13:53 ...why is it calling mouse code? 23:14:03 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:27 who even knows 23:14:31 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:43 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:15:00 anyway, _removed_beholder_msg is called in between resetting the mesmerised duration and removing the beholder 23:15:05 from what i can see 23:15:21 and so it's writing the message to the screen, which triggers a status line redraw for whatever reason 23:15:28 which checks the beholder status 23:15:33 which explodes 23:17:26 heh 23:17:35 !source behold.cc:216 23:17:35 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/behold.cc;hb=HEAD#l216 23:17:45 !bug 6547 23:17:46 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6547 23:17:50 pretty sure that's the same issue 23:18:07 probably because a --more-- prompt also redraws the status line or whatever 23:18:39 so not really fixed, then? or unfixed? 23:19:04 i have no idea 23:19:15 not familiar with the beholder or webtiles code at all 23:19:22 this is all just me guessing 23:19:27 but it sounds reasonable enough 23:19:38 -!- Wuzzy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:41 -!- Wahaha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:53 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:11 <|amethyst> oh 23:20:19 oh 23:20:24 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:26 it's probably from the call in update_beholder 23:20:30 rather than update_beholders 23:20:44 that one does things in a different order 23:21:32 yeah, |amethyst is probably a better person to ask 23:21:34 (: 23:22:21 -!- grit has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:23:10 unrelated: new wordpress post up http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-11-august-2014 let me know what I fucked up :) 23:23:20 |amethyst: do you have an idea? 23:25:21 <|amethyst> I have a fix I think, but no time to test 23:27:00 <|amethyst> Uploaded 23:27:07 <|amethyst> to #8844 23:27:54 Do you know how to reproduce? (this also goes to doy) 23:28:05 <|amethyst> set a force more on everything 23:28:10 i don't 23:28:13 ahh 23:28:16 <|amethyst> and play webtiles 23:28:34 <|amethyst> the problem is if you get a more (and thus a redraw) when that message is printed 23:28:41 <|amethyst> from _removed_beholder_msg 23:29:10 <|amethyst> anyway, I must go now 23:29:17 <|amethyst> thanks doy, PF 23:29:44 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:07 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:45:30 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:32 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:57:03 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:58:34 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.]