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I'll move it. 06:57:07 Lasty: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 07:02:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:03:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:06:55 -!- chakani has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:07:03 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:16 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:14:33 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:22:40 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:25:11 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:30 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:28:53 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:32:00 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:38:29 -!- rophy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:57 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:22 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:44:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 07:44:46 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:51 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:46:49 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:38 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:17 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:50:18 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:35 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 30.0/20140614054737]] 08:09:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:34 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:10:35 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:39 -!- tgcid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:06 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:15:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:02 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:19:05 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:07 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:30:06 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:06 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:08 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:57 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:44:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:16 -!- winsbury has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:47:43 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:39 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: on y shop] 08:50:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:52:39 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:53:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:00:35 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:52 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:36 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:36 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:31 -!- Mandragora has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:21:12 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:26:20 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-90-g5e3c43b: Fix possessive of "himself". 10(40 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e3c43b5a8e0 09:31:04 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:41:49 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:19 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 09:49:04 fornicate thyself in the depths of tartarus ye who spits lingual diarrhea 09:49:06 oh wait that's me 09:51:46 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:53:34 Proportional fonts break line wrapping in the message area. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8858 by ortoslon 09:54:54 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:56:24 -!- penciltax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:06:24 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:07:10 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:08:25 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:08 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:09:35 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:10:11 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:26 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:13:11 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:20:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:22:28 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:04 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:40 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:35:01 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:04 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:39:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:40:34 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:41:31 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:41:59 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:20 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:29 hm, is it intentional that degeneration ignores mr? i guess it makes some sense 10:46:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:59 what, the potion? the mutation? 10:50:01 the card 10:51:35 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 10:53:42 so many cards... 10:53:57 !send PleasingFungus a trowel to dig with 10:53:57 Sending a trowel to dig with to PleasingFungus. 10:56:48 degen card should probably have a different name 10:56:52 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:57:08 since it is completely unrelated to the other degeneration things 10:57:42 oh right it's the polymorph thing 11:00:09 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:04:58 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:05:03 -!- Annabella has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:08:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:12:38 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:15:26 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:15:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:17:10 -!- SpectralFremen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:20:55 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:09 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:34:33 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:42 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:37:49 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:43:37 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:44:02 ??card of degeneration 11:44:02 I don't have a page labeled card_of_degeneration in my learndb. 11:44:04 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:02 ??degeneration card 11:45:03 degeneration card[1/1]: Attempts to polymorph all monsters in LOS to a type with less HD. Success is based on monster HD, with a higher chance of success at higher card power levels. 11:45:38 PleasingFungus, thanks 11:45:44 np 11:45:51 Any particular reason that isn't called Polymorph card? 11:47:07 It attempts an HD reduction during the polymorph, but otherwise...its a polymorph all. 11:49:08 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:49:48 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:50:22 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:53:52 imho "polymorph card" would imply polymorphing the player, not "everything in los" 11:54:16 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 11:54:16 -!- dienosore has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:17 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 12:03:04 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-48-g143604c 12:05:33 Flux 12:06:07 mmmm 12:06:09 fluxx cards 12:07:06 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-90-g5e3c43b (34) 12:11:06 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:12:10 it should havea chance to polymorph everything into the same monster 12:12:32 turn every enemy in LoS into an ice dragon 12:12:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:13:22 That would be fantastic. 12:14:36 -!- allbefore has quit [Client Quit] 12:16:31 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:57 -!- allbefore has quit [Client Quit] 12:17:14 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:14 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:19:47 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:03 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:30 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:24:05 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Client Quit] 12:24:55 PleasingFungus: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/handxbow.png 12:24:59 ? 12:25:09 It's cute! 12:25:19 Very squished up and compressed. 12:25:39 Hm. The stock looks almost... furry? 12:26:13 there's a weird little bit sticking up and left 12:27:05 well, it was intended to be the hammer 12:27:13 ...but now i realize they don't have those 12:27:16 >.> 12:27:32 BANG 12:28:32 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:30:48 <|amethyst> they usually do have some kind of handle for pulling back the slide though 12:30:48 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:32:04 http://i70.servimg.com/u/f70/14/50/60/21/sbc-ha10.jpg http://www.strongblade.com/prod/prodimages/sbc-handcrossbow1_m.jpg http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/C000042.jpg 12:32:09 funny little crossbows 12:32:44 ontoclasm: http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/C000043.jpg imo make this the ego or artefact or something 12:34:16 <|amethyst> the high-tech version: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/80-lb-crossbow 12:35:15 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 12:35:22 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:46 -!- stanzill is now known as sofortwiederwega 12:36:33 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:15 link don't work 12:37:24 <|amethyst> doh 12:38:27 <|amethyst> http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/80-lb-crossbow?a=873685 12:39:04 <|amethyst> I assumed the ?a=blah was the unimportant part 12:39:22 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:39:30 <|amethyst> apparently the index/80-lb-crossbow was actually the unimportant part 12:40:13 it's decorative 12:40:30 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:42 also 12:40:43 ??doh 12:40:44 |amethyst[1/13]: <|amethyst> doh 12:40:47 <|amethyst> "I was really disapointed with this. It broke on the 2nd bolt and now I can't use it. Would I be able to return it for a replacement since it's so new?" 12:41:12 Gozag offers no refunds on hand crossbows. 12:42:20 <|amethyst> "this is a dangerous product..death is not far from it.the reason is that once cocked with bolt in place.it will release on it's own.BAD THING TO HAPPEN" 12:42:41 . . . 3.5 of 5 stars. 12:42:45 a weapon for only the scrubbiest of adventurers 12:44:43 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:45:34 I haven't had a chance to try out hand crossbows. Are they a good weapon? A reasonable weapon? 12:47:20 they are a starting weapon 12:47:34 like the war axe, or the shortbow 12:48:07 they are not blowing anyone's mind, except that one guy who was a huge fan in ##crawl and had also never used them 12:48:26 Well, some starting weapons are awful (mace, hand axe) whereas others are passable (war axe, short bow) 12:48:57 I mean, war axe is only a starting weapon for fighters, and they generally get strong starting weapons 12:49:11 (or do I have that wrong? Gladiators too?) 12:50:13 I believe it's fighters and gladiators 12:50:38 Gladiators can get quarterstaves, which are definitely the best starting weapon 12:50:38 they get the tier 2 starting weapons, whereas zealots get tier 1 (hand axe, mace, etc) 12:50:45 and yeah gladiators can get qstaves 12:52:48 -!- tswett is now known as warrigal2 12:55:30 terry pratchett has a book where hand crossbows are discussed 12:55:36 the fifth elephant i think 12:56:31 I vaguely remember this 12:56:47 he also had the true inspiration for the triple crossbow (detritus's siege crossbow) 12:57:00 it's been too long since I've read the fifth elephant 12:57:08 that was not the actual inspiration but I am "retconning" 12:57:35 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:49 -!- allbefore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140611030204]] 13:00:12 -!- Ystah has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:40 source for trunk version? 13:00:51 <|amethyst> ??git 13:00:52 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 13:01:09 <|amethyst> the first command 13:01:20 <|amethyst> see also 13:01:22 <|amethyst> ??git[2] 13:01:22 git[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git 13:01:41 how can i download it via http? 13:03:18 <|amethyst> we don't make nightly tarballs, so you need git to download the trunk source 13:03:36 ok, thanks 13:04:09 good git software for windows? 13:04:44 -!- allbefore1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:02 http://www.git-scm.com/downloads 13:05:14 ty 13:05:21 <|amethyst> TortoiseGit might be the easiest to use graphicall 13:05:22 <|amethyst> y 13:05:48 <|amethyst> but if you want to build Crawl you'll need msysgit anyway (which is a whole Unix-like build environment, including git) 13:06:18 <|amethyst> well, theoretically you can compile with Visual Studio 2012 or later but I don't know if anyone has tested that for over a year 13:06:54 <|amethyst> and even then you need some additional things like Perl 13:06:58 how people build for windows 13:07:03 ? 13:07:28 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/source/5e3c43b5a8e04e208b72facf5678415ba07997bc:crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 13:07:30 <|amethyst> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 13:07:33 <|amethyst> oh 13:07:35 <|amethyst> same thing :) 13:07:47 Well, now you've got two (identical) options 13:07:50 <|amethyst> There's a section "Building on Windows (MinGW)" 13:07:57 <|amethyst> that's the usual way 13:08:05 ty 13:08:08 It worked for me! 13:10:12 theres a changelog for game relate changes? the trunk changelog is filled with code related stuff 13:12:32 Here's the 0.16 changelog: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt;h=8d8bb72b6d291f5fc9d0c7789e2ca01e31ac6dd7;hb=ac5757d781aa72e22aae8e062791c4e7f9ec0998 13:15:07 ty 13:15:49 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:55 |amethyst: as I mentioned here yesterday, the function that makes randart books by theme doesn't treat the number of spells parameter as precise -- having fewer is acceptable. Do you think it would be reasonable for me to change that? 13:17:41 -!- allbefore has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:17:59 why spiderform don't cling and don't has swiftness anymore? |: 13:19:12 Ystah: Clinging was removed because it was largely useless and created unnecessary instant-death situations and needless complication. 13:20:08 I think the main reason Spider Form speed was removed was because it was too powerful, but it may also have been because it encouraged people to learn the spell just to get the speed boost. 13:20:53 The commit for it states "Without giving movement speed it's still an easily castable form that provides a lot of early damage and evasion. The movement speed made it much stronger by also being a reliable escape, and was problematic in some of the same ways as old Swiftness." 13:21:31 In general, if you wonder why a change was made, it's worth doing a commit search to find out the stated reason in the commit, if there is one. 13:23:06 clinging were great to pass by deep water and fight on shallow water without getting water penalty, i don't think it was "largely useless", this and swiftness imo was what made spiderform unique and useful even later in the game, now you get some xp to reliably use blade hands and spiderform has no more use 13:23:07 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:23:14 Ice Beast form already does that 13:23:56 -!- allbefore1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:58 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:46 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:25:50 yes, thats the problem, ice beast completely replaces spiderform now since theres no more swiftness, spideform could be a good situational cast even later in the game, now its useless =/ 13:26:11 It still gives exceptionally high EV and poison-branded attacks. 13:27:22 poison-branded attacks are weak in mid/late game, and the high EV is not worth it because very low AC 13:27:40 But it's great early game. Not every spell needs to be useful at all points in the game. 13:28:05 Particularly low-level spells 13:28:28 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:28:57 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29:37 yes but Tm was fun as shit because you could use a large arsenal of forms for different situations, now one just outperforms another 13:30:11 I disagree, though it's true that blade hands is basically the best one. 13:32:59 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:35:54 i noticed theres a lot of changes that makes the game easier than before, why is that? 13:36:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:23 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:12 No one is trying to make the game easier. They're trying to make the game better. 13:38:03 what is better for you? 13:38:49 I don't really see the problem with spider form 13:38:51 Well, it's not for me, since I'm not a dev, but the idea is to make the game better designed and more in line with the game's mission statement. 13:39:02 for a lot of races it's vital for pre-lair survival 13:39:27 I'm sure that if the game starts getting too easy as an accidental result of changes that are made to improve the game's design, other changes will be made to expressly address balance. 13:39:29 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:32 kilobyte old or current spiderform? 13:39:33 Ystah: 13:39:37 philosphy?? 13:39:37 Use the command "?N" in-game for some insight to design decisions. 13:39:39 i mean Kvaak 13:39:46 current 13:39:49 (I'm the guy who removed clinging btw) 13:39:54 frankly I found the old spiderform weird 13:40:06 it was just a cheap escape button just about anyone could use 13:41:01 if there's a problem with spiderform it's the -rpois which makes it extremely undesirable in lair, and after lair you have BH at low fail anyway 13:42:33 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:43:17 on the other hand the venomous attack makes it extremely tempting against ants and scorpions 13:43:57 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:32 if there's a tmut spell I find has no place it's ice form 13:45:22 I'm four races away from greattm and I still haven't figured out what real use it has apart from rPois+ and rC+++ 13:45:38 Ice Form is pretty solid during Lair. It's also pretty solid when you have Ozo's or are in a cold or poison-themed area. The bonus HP and huge damage are pretty solid. 13:46:24 its damage output is far inferior to that of BH, not to mention it annihilates your AC and drops EV as well for most races 13:46:48 using ice form in lair seems like a gamble, with BH I can kill everything faster while also having far superior defenses 13:47:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:24 using ozo's means your defenses are just bad instead of atrocious 13:48:28 Kvaak: the damage of blade hands is higher than Ice Form, but Ice Form still does very good damage. It also slows a lot of the dangerous Lair monsters, and doesn't chop hydra heads. The extra HP is pretty significant in lieu of the defenses it removes, but it does depend on how good your armour is. 13:49:09 the slow effect is extremely unreliable and random and the extra hp seldom if ever compensates for losing almost all of your ac and a good chunk of ev 13:49:27 and yeah, hydras are just about the only thing I use it against 13:49:41 This is more of a ##crawl discussion. 13:50:13 true 13:50:44 Kvaak agreed, i just use ice form for hydras in lair or creatures with cold attack 13:53:00 Hmm, I have a commit to simplify blood splattering (so it doesn't vary arbitarilly depending on the weapon you use and such.) Is this enough of a mechanical change to wait until after the toruney? 13:56:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:36 PleasingFungus: blink frogs seem to be able to blink through doors 13:57:28 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58:41 there was a thing like this: 13:59:10 # 13:59:10 + 13:59:13 # 13:59:14 13:59:15 # 14:00:35 -!- debo_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:00:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:58 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_lunch 14:01:24 so now that i think about it, it's possible it moved onto the floor and blinked into the room on the left (where i was) on the same turn 14:01:36 but it happened more than once, so that seems unlikely 14:02:04 !source mon-abil.cc 14:02:04 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-abil.cc;hb=HEAD 14:02:27 i should say that &dump 14:02:32 er 14:02:33 &dump 14:02:34 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/wheals/wheals.txt 14:03:09 they blinked from the right room to the middle of the left room, so there's no way they could see from one to the other 14:04:22 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:34 -!- warrigal2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:07:08 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07:50 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:12:54 -!- Gene_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:13:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:15:01 If it came down the stairs, I would expect there would have been a message . . . it's too bad the message log has moved on 14:17:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-91-g024df2d: Fix Spacing (player.h) 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=024df2d97723 14:17:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-92-gca238f5: Remove a parameter from items() (mundane) 10(13 hours ago, 5 files, 44+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca238f51c8aa 14:17:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-93-g315c873: Improve a comment for _xom_snakes_to_sticks in xom.cc 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=315c8739f4ed 14:17:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-94-g5fa8f06: Better variable names in _xom_snakes_to_sticks 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fa8f0601da1 14:17:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-95-ga9cc708: Add a Doxygen comment to items() 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 20+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9cc7087be67 14:17:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-96-g8ce9479: Move item placement code from items() to the only place it is used 10(12 hours ago, 2 files, 34+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ce947975fa9 14:17:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-97-g959592d: Remove 2 more parameters from items() 10(11 hours ago, 15 files, 44+ 52-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=959592d6485a 14:17:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-98-g984c010: Doxygen comment _builder_items() 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=984c01027b49 14:22:33 -!- allbefore has quit [Client Quit] 14:23:09 -!- allbefore has quit [Client Quit] 14:27:41 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 14:34:45 !tell rockygargoyle Igni isn't really in active development. dpeg and drachereborn had a new vision for the god but they haven't been around lately, I used to keep Igni updated but haven't in a while. I have a plan to place some of the abilties in Trunk, but the chance of Igni getting into Trunk as a full god is very slim unless somebody else decides to work on it. 14:34:45 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 14:34:51 !tell rockygargoyle Igni isn't really in active development. dpeg and drachereborn had a new vision for the god but they haven't been around lately, I used to keep Igni updated but haven't in a while. 14:34:52 reaverb: OK, I'll let rockygargoyle know. 14:35:04 !tell rockygargoyle I have a plan to place some of the abilties in Trunk, but the chance of Igni getting into Trunk as a full god is very slim unless somebody else decides to work on it. 14:35:05 reaverb: OK, I'll let rockygargoyle know. 14:36:44 -!- amalloy_lunch is now known as amalloy 14:41:38 !tell PleasingFungus commit 28920c0 removes a crawlcode quality comment. 14:41:38 reaverb: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 14:41:39 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:42 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:41:53 03reaverb02 07* 0.16-a0-99-g28920c0: Allow players to understand stasis messages without a thesaurus 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=28920c067ef8 14:42:15 Hmm, almost 100 commits in 0.16 already. 14:42:26 nice old message 14:43:06 -!- Somefellow has quit [*.net *.split] 14:43:07 -!- tali713 has quit [*.net *.split] 14:43:19 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:58 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:46:17 fr thesauruses 14:46:27 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47:11 fr new unique title 'the saurus' 14:47:37 yes please 14:51:58 you have to equip one of each of the swords whose name means "long sword" 14:54:19 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:57:51 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:59:49 (btw while making 959592d I discovered abyss_create_items passes the number "250" as the mapmask to items(). Since dont_place was false, the code path which used mapmask was never executed. So there was randomly a 250 were litereally any number would do, most other places using 0. This was true from the initial revision until that commit) 15:07:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:09:01 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:11:07 -!- stumps has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:55 -!- Mandragora has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:18:24 !tell wheals that was intentional at some point, but I believe I removed the relevant behavior; I can try to take a look & see if I can reproduce it, maybe? 15:18:24 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:18:24 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 15:18:38 reaverb: the best part is that he wasn't even using it correctly 15:19:11 PleasingFungus: For the hands arrested thing? 15:19:20 yeah, "get" is sloppy usage there 15:19:53 like saying "your hands get stopped" 15:20:07 (in this case, "arrested" and "stopped" are essentially synonyms) 15:21:34 Interesting. 15:23:14 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:58 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:00 I'd probably use "your hands are suddenly arrested" if I had to phrase things that way, but it'd be better if you could put it as something like "a strange force arrests your hands!". or "your hands suddenly grow still" or just "you suddenly lose your finesse", of course. 15:25:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:11 anyway, kb isn't a native english speaker, so idk how fair it is to scold him for that 15:26:16 if scolding were necessary 15:26:28 I didn't even bother to git blame it. 15:26:39 I checked; it dates back to the commit that added finesse 15:26:48 Ha, Wow. 15:27:18 I guess people don't normally put amulets of stasis on while finessed. 15:27:36 Hmm, why exactly is finesse blocked by stasis anyway? 15:28:35 finesse is considered to be a haste-like effect 15:29:06 Hmm, I suppose so. 15:30:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:32:59 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:33:27 the difference between that and swiftness is that with swiftness, you are being pushed by the wind, whereas with finesse/haste, the speed... comes from within 15:33:29 I guess 15:37:03 Yeah It would be nice if stasis was a set of effects which made sense :D 15:37:08 PleasingFungus: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/handxbow.png 15:37:08 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:37:23 nice! 15:38:10 You hear a small thunk. 15:38:13 reaverb: it blocks you from moving in unnatural ways (tloc/haste), except when a god is involved (lugonu blink), except that it also blocks finesse. 15:38:21 and also doesn't block banishment ofc 15:38:32 also paralysis is the negative complement of movement so it also blocks that 15:38:47 but sleep is totally natural so that's fine. 15:39:12 i always figured it blocked "freaky time/space bullshit" 15:39:26 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:40:27 it does, except that it doesn't get involved with anything that's *too* freaky 15:40:41 small-time stasis 15:41:41 Oh, yes would anybody mind if I remove lava generating smoke after the tourney? Somebody (I think crate) noted it messed with autoexplore is serious ways. (Like making you move a couple squares closer to Hellion Island than if you didn't us it) 15:42:18 isn't that the point of hellion island 15:43:25 reaverb: could just make it non-los-blokcing smoke 15:43:52 ontoclasm: Hmm, interesting. 15:44:41 it is of course intentional that the smoke fucks with los 15:45:00 doy: If the point of a vault is to mess up autoexplore then I would define that as a bad vault <_< >_> 15:45:03 I am undecided as to whether that is an intentional behavior that we want to preserve 15:45:18 That's why runed doors are a thing now :D 15:45:22 it's not just messing with autoexplore 15:45:29 it's not like you'd explore any different manually 15:45:34 because you wouldn't be able to see it anyway 15:46:08 if you only ever saw hellion island from the very edge of los, it would always be trivial to just avoid 15:46:14 which makes it a pretty worthless vault 15:46:43 the argument, I think, is that you'd see a crescent-shaped arc of lava and go "oh, this might be hellion island, time to avoid it" 15:46:49 Hmm, I haven't actually ever seen hellion island so I can't really go this far into the debate <_< >_> 15:47:09 seriously need to start a reaverbrobin 15:47:24 doy: but that's the whole point. If you're manually exploring, you notice it before it screws you over, but if you use autoexplore it screws you over. 15:47:39 Lasty_: how do you notice it earlier when manually exploring? 15:47:44 like zermakorobin, but for extended 15:47:46 it's a big lake of lava 15:47:47 and it's bad to punish autoexplore, since autoexplore cuts tedium 15:47:50 ^ 15:49:23 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-100-g0188e4c: Hand Xbow tiles 10(5 minutes ago, 4 files, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0188e4c8a00b 15:49:26 i guess it depends on where it generates 15:49:26 otoh the lake is super huge so the chance of smoke screwing you over is hilariously small 15:49:26 In any case, I think if a vault specifically uses the smoke a lua fog machine could be used. 15:49:26 wellllll 15:49:29 the reasoning for removing the smoke is "it's annoying with this one vault" 15:49:40 so if we don't want to change that, then there'd be no reason for removing the smoke, surely? 15:51:05 I think meddling with autoexplore would be a more general problem. What are the benefits to smoke existing over lava? 15:51:55 intentionally limiting visibility 15:52:06 But irregularly 15:52:11 yes 15:52:34 for things like, e.g., making hellion island a bit less nasty (since on average, fewer hellions will be in LOS of you at once) 15:52:56 and making volcanos less nasty, since enemies will lose sight of you in the big open layouts (when smoke blocks them) 15:53:29 also, aesthetics, of course 15:53:51 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:08 I feel like a lua fog machine should be used for those purposes, so people can use lava without being forced to also use smoke. 15:54:30 03ontoclasm02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-49-ge4602d6: Hand Xbow tiles 10(10 minutes ago, 4 files, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4602d6cb576 15:54:32 i think the flavor aspect is important though 15:54:36 (Also, looking over the git history, several vaults have been modified due to lava smoke) 15:55:14 interesting. examples? 15:55:27 %git f7a6a95fcdba8c 15:55:27 Could not find commit f7a6a95fcdba8c (git returned 128) 15:55:28 tbh, if you're going to use lava without smoke, I almost feel like you want to be using deep water... 15:55:38 %git 65669c53f085bb73f 15:55:38 07evilmike02 * 0.10-a0-2351-g65669c5: Modifications to evilmike_cerebov_lava. 10(2 years, 8 months ago, 1 file, 17+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65669c53f085 15:55:52 %git f043e9ac5841d6 15:55:52 07elliptic02 * 0.15-a0-442-gf043e9a: Encompass vault tweaks. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 106-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f043e9ac5841 15:56:20 the latter isn't really a lava smoke issue 15:56:44 the issue is the central design of the thing (many disconnected components), which isn't much like normal crawl levels 15:57:20 the former is fair, but, uh 15:57:21 Well Shoals has a similar disconnected feel, although the tides do help with that. 15:57:39 KPROP: l = no_cloud_gen 15:57:46 if we really wanted to de-smokify hellion island 15:58:46 it would, in fact, be possible to do so without making wide-reaching changes 15:58:55 i really don't think this is a reasonable argument though 15:59:13 there are all kinds of vaults that would be more optimal to identify by sight before autoexploring into 16:00:09 keep in mind that crate is explicitly opposed to the existence of any and all vaults 16:00:09 Yes, the KPROP thing is clever, maybe just trying that on hellion island for now would be fine, also easier to revert if it doesn't work out. 16:00:26 (since this began with a crate complaint) 16:00:31 well 16:00:33 reaverb: I think that would honestly make hellion island a lot nastier 16:00:41 since it'd be harder to play LOS games with the hellions 16:00:48 that is just not a reasonable opinion 16:00:49 so 16:00:50 PleasingFungus: Hmm. 16:01:54 someone suggested that, if we want to make autoexplore stop at the edge of hellion island 16:01:58 i mean, it's a valid opinion as a general game design principle, but it really isn't a reasonable opinion to expect crawl specifically to respect 16:02:01 we could add some minor threats to the edge - fire bats, or crimson imps 16:02:07 that are set to patrol 16:02:16 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:02:28 Hmm, that might also work. 16:02:32 !vault hellion_island 16:02:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/pan.des;hb=HEAD#l2317 16:02:50 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 16:03:01 Pleasingfungus: were you the one who noted that clever thing in the ice dragon lair vault which apparenlty was good at stopping autoexplore? 16:03:10 the altar, yes 16:03:10 PleasingFungus: well, it's probably harder to find things that crate -isn't- explicitly opposed to 16:03:18 that one was puzzling me initially 16:03:19 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:03:19 i mean, nothing comes to mind 16:03:20 !vault lair_in_review 16:03:20 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des;hb=HEAD#l2807 16:03:30 ontoclasm: man let's not turn him into a hobgoblin or devil or something 16:03:31 Crate seems to like D1:8 16:03:34 he's right about a lot of things 16:04:10 reaverb: in lair_in_review (above), check out the K-N monsters - they're used in the way I described 16:05:09 is hellion island really too dangerous at the moment 16:05:24 i mean, what's the underlying complaint here 16:05:43 Pleasingfungus: Hmm. 16:08:11 doy: "My problem with lava is it generates smoke clouds, which is bad for gameplay in a few ways imo. Easy example is it really messes up autoexplore (it's actually not too uncommon for autoexplore to be able to take you at least a step or two past where it should stop when it sees hellion island, and in that particular case this behaviour is quite clearly unacceptably bad)." 16:08:30 i guess i just disagree with "unacceptably bad" 16:10:06 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:10:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:31 I think Crawl is a big enough game with enough ideas floating around that development can be very picky on what features to keep. 16:12:06 I think it is very easy for removing features to make the game worse, rather than better 16:12:11 +1 16:12:35 I think the removal of ambrosia was probably a net negative, though of course a small one 16:12:36 winning games are at least 8 hours, except among a small group of very talented players 16:12:55 there needs to be a lot of content in the game to give it any kind of replay value 16:13:31 as you remove features, games become slightly more similar 16:13:50 PleasingFungus: I do think the amborisa +mp regen effect should have been moved elsewhere, and that can still happen. 16:13:54 sure 16:14:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:14:19 but *in the meanwhile* - which is a real thing, that exists! the game as it exists now, after one change and before other, future, hypothetical, changes! - the game is slightly lessened 16:14:24 the design is cleaner 16:14:27 without "food with effects" 16:14:32 but that is at a cost to gameplay 16:15:44 doy: mmmm. depends on the feature - some make games more similar, rather than less. perhaps something like old swiftness, which pretty much every character should have gotten & used all the time - which makes the game a bit more samey 16:15:53 though of course that's comparing a feature that was changed, rather than removed 16:15:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:55 that's true 16:17:02 PleasingFungus: I do want to get back around to chunkless eventually. 16:17:38 but that was changed with the explicit goal of making things more interesting by making it less of an obvious choice 16:18:04 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 16:18:47 reaverb: yeah I know 16:18:51 and it's not just "in the meanwhile" with things like this 16:19:00 because by and large they tend to be forgotten about 16:19:07 yeah, there's absolutely inertia there 16:19:19 "we'll remove this now and then add something else in later" just becomes "we'll remove this now" 16:19:47 reaverb: (though note, of course, that royal jelly / ambrosia changes weren't required for chunkless - just for your even longer-term, 'food goldification' thoughts) 16:20:08 my vote is for 0.16 to be the version where nasty spikes get installed 16:20:53 0.15 was the version where lots of annoying stuff was removed, and that's great, but a lot of the spiky bits got smoothed over in the process 16:21:04 PleasingFungus: touch�, I suppose that's true. 16:21:13 ontoclasm: +1 16:21:22 I have many plans for nasty spikes 16:21:24 some of them are acidic 16:21:34 Wow, acid is quite overpowered now 16:21:34 I also have plans to smooth over more things 16:21:37 as appropriate 16:21:39 TS__: ? 16:21:42 even with rCorr 16:21:46 rip 16:21:52 I actually killed TRJ 16:22:01 what does "overpowered" even mean, in context? 16:22:04 then died after I got upstairs and started to clear out the remaining slimes" 16:22:09 even with rCorr, it feels like you have no rCorr 16:22:43 yeah from what I've seen after the latest rCorr change you eat a LOT of corrosion stacks 16:22:48 I do kind of like the idea of making rCorr halve the corrosion penalty, rather than negating it half of the time 16:22:54 which would make it feel a bit better, probably 16:22:58 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:23:17 Isn't the penalty a bit overkill 16:23:28 its like what, 5 AC and 3 slaying 16:23:32 per time 16:23:50 enough to make a single stack noticeable, yes 16:24:23 somebody said having Corr stacks should reduce the chance of getting more 16:24:37 I think that was marvinpa 16:24:56 Nemelex Wrath Tomb Card is usefull! 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8859 by Le_Nerd 16:24:56 that is probably a reasonable thing, though I don't have strong feelings on it either way 16:25:29 n.b. that many nemelex "wrath" effects are actively helpful... 16:25:40 also lol @ "le_nerd" 16:26:05 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:57 decreasing returns on corr stacks sound good to me. 16:27:06 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28:42 to be fair, in a sense, there are already diminishing returns 16:28:46 once you hit 0 ac :) 16:32:04 I wish TRJ's jellies acted like actual summons 16:32:08 and disappeared on death 16:33:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:34:06 Now that he's "quite powerful" 16:34:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:34:51 -!- reaverb is now known as TRJ__ 16:35:19 * TRJ__ splits into several quite powerful spawn! 16:35:25 -!- TRJ__ is now known as reaverb 16:36:39 hate killing things for no XP 16:36:56 rip 16:38:47 It will never happen though 16:39:11 correct. 16:39:15 -!- reaverb has left ##crawl-dev 16:39:43 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:00 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:53:29 -!- tupper has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 16:55:52 -!- coolbeans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:59:57 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 17:00:06 -!- Ystahdroid has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:24 why the android build is so terribly unplayable? if it even had zoom function 17:01:34 -!- Qazlal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:02:26 Ystahdroid: because it was made by a guy who is not around any more 17:02:37 !seen frogbotherer 17:02:37 Sorry reaverb, I haven't seen frogbotherer. 17:02:50 -!- ilyak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:03:04 Ystahdroid: Yes if you can make a better version we would be happy to accept it :D 17:03:35 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:05:10 -!- Mike is now known as gnum 17:08:34 i have no idea how to code for android, but i would love a version with interface like pixel dungeon 17:10:44 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:13:11 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-100-g0188e4c (34) 17:15:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:30 -!- ZRN has quit [Client Quit] 17:16:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:21:17 -!- sofortwiederwega is now known as stanzill 17:28:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:32:00 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:56 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:33:04 -!- Badjas has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:40:52 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:45:26 -!- Ystahdroid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:42 -!- Ystahdroid has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:49:27 !messages 17:49:27 (1/1) Grunt said (5d 7h 27m 12s ago): Yes, 0.15 option would be good :) 17:49:40 hurrr... maybe I should fix that then. 17:51:18 !tell |amethyst are the new configs up in the repo? 17:51:18 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 17:51:51 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:20 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:56:43 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:01:24 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04:57 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 18:05:48 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:06:02 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:06 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:53 -!- Ystahdroid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:07 -!- Ystahdroid has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:55 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:11:57 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:37 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:18:58 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:29 If !locate can search across CAO/CSZO/etc, why cannot !watch find the game-link across CAO/CSZO/etc? :/ 18:19:41 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:36 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:24:01 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28:00 -!- Neuromancer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:29:42 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:23 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:26 !lg . HESu 18:30:27 196. gammafunk the Caller (L6 HESu), slain by an Executioner (created by miscasting Summon Ice Beast) on D:7 on 2014-08-08 21:35:46, with 363 points after 3303 turns and 0:21:16. 18:30:31 that is all 18:30:51 !learn add gammafunk 196. gammafunk the Caller (L6 HESu), slain by an Executioner (created by miscasting Summon Ice Beast) on D:7 on 2014-08-08 21:35:46, with 363 points after 3303 turns and 0:21:16. 18:30:52 gammafunk[10/10]: 196. gammafunk the Caller (L6 HESu), slain by an Executioner (created by miscasting Summon Ice Beast) on D:7 on 2014-08-08 21:35:46, with 363 points after 3303 turns and 0:21:16. 18:31:01 ??summoning miscast 18:31:02 summoning miscast ~ summonings miscast[1/1]: 1: 5-13 dmg / spatial vortex / imp 2: 2-4 spatial vorts / common demon / 2-3 lesser 3: abomination / greater demon / 2-3 common / banish / hostile malign gateway 18:31:12 damn 18:31:15 great thing was that it was *durably* summoned 18:31:22 which I didn't realize could happen 18:31:23 that's one *great* miscast 18:31:54 funny thing is that the miscast where you get fcloud on you is probably more deadly overall 18:32:17 also, see (3) there? 18:32:29 that's a small abomination - at least some of the time 18:32:30 ☼Summoning Miscast☼ 18:32:36 greater demon, small abomination, same diff 18:32:41 heheh 18:32:46