00:01:19 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-40-g51714d2 00:01:52 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:04:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:24 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-56-g477c477 (34) 00:06:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-57-g0ca2a48: Remove mon-spll.h enum order dependency. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ca2a48c7e8d 00:06:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-58-g17e225f: Adjust mspell_list definition. 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=17e225f897e9 00:07:07 <|amethyst> err 00:08:12 <|amethyst> I guess probably it's not worthwhile to change all those uses of 'unsigned int' to 'size_t' right now 00:08:21 <|amethyst> now while we're likely to be cherry picking things 00:09:01 <|amethyst> though I guess there are only four in that file, counting the one I added 00:09:07 why would you cherry-pick that change...? 00:09:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I mean cherry-picking other changes to the same code 00:09:31 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: = conflicts 00:09:31 ah 00:09:32 yeah 00:09:33 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:34 yep 00:12:00 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:13:22 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:17:02 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-58-g17e225f (34) 00:17:02 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:21:23 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-59-g909ab74: Check the size of mspell_list at compile time. 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=909ab742cb52 00:25:30 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:28 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:32:40 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:34:22 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:34:25 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-60-g704e011: Recolour fragments of recoloured monsters. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=704e01190e9d 00:36:10 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-41-gf426273: Recolour fragments of recoloured monsters. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4262736d335 00:37:11 good commit name 00:37:41 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:38:02 <|amethyst> These fragments I have shored against my ruins 00:38:24 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-60-g704e011 00:39:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:41:42 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:42:04 hm 00:42:10 contemplating how to express form stealth modifiers 00:42:35 specifically trying to decide if I want to do the really stupid "negative values have a completely disjoint meaning from positive values" thing 00:43:17 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: even then (I assume you're talking about statue form) blade hands is still a special case 00:43:24 yes, blade hands with felids 00:43:28 but I am going to be honest 00:43:33 I am okay with that being a special case 00:43:34 because it's absurd 00:43:47 <|amethyst> oh, bat also has a special case 00:43:54 yes, but that's much simpler to support 00:46:26 <|amethyst> also, it's weird that bat kobolds are slightly noiser than kobolds 00:46:34 <|amethyst> I guess the monsters can hear your echolocation 00:46:51 spooky....... 00:48:16 <|amethyst> Two fields, one to set the stealth multiplier (0 meaning use race) and one adding to the stealth multiplier 00:48:51 <|amethyst> but the second field would only be nonzero for statue so... 00:49:00 yeah I'm just gonna special-case that one too 00:49:04 over here 00:49:08 (here = player.cc) 00:50:09 I am removing a 14-year-old comment 00:50:54 I almost feel ad 00:51:04 *sad 00:52:53 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:52:55 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:56:33 New branch created: serpent-of-hell (3 commits) 00:56:33 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-61-g3590e23: allow multi-attacks from monsters with more than one base attack 10(36 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3590e2399dd2 00:56:33 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-62-gbacbbb6: buff serpent of hell a bit 10(33 minutes ago, 8 files, 86+ 47-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bacbbb66fd81 00:56:33 03doy02 07[serpent-of-hell] * 0.16-a0-63-g21f247e: also give serpent of hell summon dragon, because why not 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=21f247e931b5 00:56:57 hahaha 00:57:00 why not! 00:57:19 dang, that's Something Else 00:57:21 needs something to do in between waiting for breath weapons to recharge 00:57:22 (: 00:57:31 hm 00:57:35 imo give it dragonstorm 00:57:40 ??call dragons 00:57:40 I don't have a page labeled call_dragons in my learndb. 00:57:42 hm 00:57:58 ??dragon's call 00:57:59 dragon's call[1/1]: 0.14+: Gives a status which temporarily summons dragons all around you, attacking random hostiles. Each dragon costs 2 or 3 MP, and the rate of summoning slows when you have a lot of dragons active. Has a 150-250 aut cooldown. 00:58:04 clearly......... 00:58:17 that would certainly make people respect it :) 00:58:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58:30 heh 00:58:33 haven't seen that one before 00:58:44 unknown monster: "serpent of hell-serpent of hell-serpent of hell chimera" 00:58:44 <|amethyst> %?? serpent of hell-serpent of hell-serpent of hell chimera 00:58:51 ! 00:58:52 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:06 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:59:11 new in 0.14! 01:00:06 now make it appear in every branch 01:00:14 transdimensional serpent of hellspider 01:00:20 haha 01:00:26 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:00:37 the element of surprise is fun though 01:00:38 (: 01:01:00 just make it appear in every hell, and then twice in one random hell, then 01:01:02 :) 01:01:48 what i really need is a ranged damage fsim 01:02:10 it's hard to tell how ridiculous the breath weapons actually are 01:02:18 -!- eb_ has quit [] 01:02:22 -!- kait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:03:23 i guess players are a kind of distributed fsim 01:03:25 (: 01:03:39 words to live by... 01:03:54 <|amethyst> ??octopode[2] 01:03:54 octopode[2/5]: For four days in 2012, octopodes had eight times the normal squeeze damage (96 instead of 12), allowing them to one-shot greater mummies (among others) with ease. Introduced, and then ruined, by |amethyst; rest in peace. 01:04:07 haha 01:04:21 <|amethyst> My favourite though is 01:04:27 <|amethyst> ??epic bugs[6] 01:04:27 epic bugs[6/18]: Dash275 writes: There's a rather large security problem with the CSZO server. You don't actually need to enter a password to access an account. 01:05:21 a "rather large" 01:05:43 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:52 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:07:50 A slight understatement for "guys guys I've just found out that there's actually NO security on the CSZO server!!" 01:09:54 -!- kait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:09:58 -!- kait__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:09:58 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:11:10 <|amethyst> I think two separate individuals contacted me about that, both in private 01:11:47 <|amethyst> (one may have been a private mantis issue?) 01:12:19 Well, there's worse problems you could have 01:12:39 like if you could get a shell without a password ;-) 01:12:46 hm. does something special need to be done for chei to recognize corrosive bolt? 01:13:36 <|amethyst> best bug report ever: 01:13:38 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4037 01:13:57 <|amethyst> I guess I could unflag that as private 01:14:18 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 01:14:36 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:09 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:19 <|amethyst> Essentially "Hey, Webtiles doesn't follow security best practices! I could tell you more but I'll only talk to the legally responsible party." 01:15:37 <|amethyst> "I can visually identify a major security issue waiting to happen every time I am on the website." 01:15:44 rip 01:15:52 <|amethyst> for all I know, the major security issue is "TLS is not required" 01:16:43 legally responsible? 01:16:48 I mean, I know there's at least one major security issue outstanding (though it's not visible) - I wouldn't be surprised if there were more. that is kind of a dysfunctional reporting strategy, though 01:17:02 there is no legal responsibility for the game being secure ;-) 01:17:02 I am legally irresponsible. 01:17:54 <|amethyst> SamB: well, those of us who run servers might be held negligent if someone's personal information is compromised 01:18:09 <|amethyst> fortunately, we don't ask for personal information other than an email address 01:18:12 what personal information? 01:18:24 there's noplace for them to stick it that won't expose it! 01:19:11 <|amethyst> Or if someone roots CSZO and uses it to send out spam, that could cause problems for me :) 01:19:21 well, yes, that's different 01:19:24 <|amethyst> err 01:19:26 <|amethyst> how 90s of me 01:19:43 but you would NOT be able to see how to do that from webtiles 01:19:43 <|amethyst> s/send out spam/control a botnet/ 01:20:11 sending spam could cause problems! 01:20:17 you could get blacklisted 01:20:40 <|amethyst> SamB: well, maybe if one corner of the screen had a "~# " followed by a blinking cursor 01:22:42 hm. I kind of want to re-use monster resist flags for forms 01:22:54 <|amethyst> I would be highly surprised if there weren't several ways to take over the crawl account in the chroot 01:23:14 <|amethyst> some from crawl itself, some from dgamelaunch and buddies 01:28:36 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:30:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140802030201]] 01:31:06 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:31:09 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:32:09 yes, but I really doubt that visual inspection of a webtiles window would give anything like that away 01:34:46 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:10 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:37:18 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:43:38 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:46:10 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:54:30 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:56:34 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 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amulet tiles 07:26:55 they're so... nineties 07:36:23 -!- Durzo has quit [Client Quit] 07:38:16 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39:00 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:14 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:43:32 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:53:52 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-62-g6425076: Respell again: the plural is 'simulacra'. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6425076cb51f 07:53:52 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-43-g366cce0: Respell again: the plural is 'simulacra'. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=366cce0d5fb2 07:54:31 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:20 Kramin, since no one has responded, I can tell you that I too have had that happen; to my knowledge it is not explicitly forboden. 07:56:31 Just pretty unlikely. 07:56:32 ok 07:56:33 -!- Brannock__ has joined ##crawl-dev 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ZZZzzz…] 08:47:38 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:48:43 -!- Simboubou has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:53:04 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:55:10 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 08:55:33 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:36 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:34 deep elf sorcerer (13e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 52-77 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(112) | XP: 1730 | Sp: b.corrosive (3d18), banishment, haste, sum.demon, hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 08:58:34 <|amethyst> %??deep elf sorcerer 08:58:56 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus monster still lists the spell as "b.corrosive" because the spell name wasn't changed 08:58:57 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:59:29 i think he said that was intentional 08:59:34 xv lists it as that too 09:00:01 03wheals02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-44-gb588af2: Raise the OOD cap in Crypt to 5. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b588af2542a5 09:00:05 i hope he remembered to update the beam name in the name comparisons in beam.cc though! 09:00:50 those name comparisons make me sad 09:09:09 !source beam.cc:l2506 09:09:11 Couldn't find l2506 in the Crawl source tree 09:09:18 !source beam.cc:2506 09:09:18 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l2506 09:09:59 trying to figure out why that doesn't just check flavour == beam_miasma 09:10:14 beam_miasma doesn't make much sense for something that isn't a cloud at least 09:11:02 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:10 !learn e wheals[2] s/look at crypt spawns, // 09:12:10 wheals[2/4]: before release: further fruit review 09:12:21 !learn e wheals[3] s/$/, look at crypt spawns/ 09:12:21 wheals[3/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, tunneling worms, leeches??, disarming cutlass, remove a kind of fountain, make snorg cast spells, more FFTs to replace enum ranges, make chopping/multidrop single-turn, look at crypt spawns 09:14:34 !source beam.cc:2843 09:14:35 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l2843 09:14:38 there's that too 09:14:45 and that one does check flavour == BEAM_MIASMA 09:14:52 even though it checks names for a bunch of others 09:15:09 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:13 speaking of duplication, there's an is_valid_mimic_feat function and a feat_cannot_be_mimic function 09:19:44 <|amethyst> could add a flag and combine them 09:19:48 yeah 09:19:54 wait 09:20:02 you can place a lava mimic in a vault 09:20:09 whoa 09:21:11 also an open sea mimic i suppose 09:21:14 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:54 lava mimics should have AT_SPLASH and AF_FIRE 09:22:18 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:25:01 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:29:36 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:39:13 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:17 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:42:52 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44:04 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-b1-44-gb588af2 09:44:04 <|amethyst> %?-version 09:44:08 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.14.1 09:44:08 <|amethyst> %0.14?-version 09:44:27 @??-version 09:44:27 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-a0-1119-g9b3a599 09:44:36 @?-version 09:44:36 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-a0-1119-g9b3a599 09:44:44 ??-version 09:44:44 I don't have a page labeled -version in my learndb. 09:44:58 :P 09:45:31 !learn add -version LearnDB Crawl version: whenever it was last updated 09:45:31 -version[1/1]: LearnDB Crawl version: whenever it was last updated 09:47:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:59 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:49:03 -!- nd has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:52:11 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:52:42 -!- nd_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:58:37 -!- doubtofbuddha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:05:08 -!- allbefore has quit [Client Quit] 10:08:04 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:16:07 -!- doubtofbuddha__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:16:48 !source feat_is_bidirectional_portal 10:16:48 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc;hb=HEAD#l461 10:17:11 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:17:33 am i missing something here? why is the entrance to hell/vaults bidirectional but not the exits? 10:18:34 and how are the exits/entrances to zot not bidirectional? 10:19:18 hell is like that because hell upstairs are portals back to the top 10:19:50 not sure about zot/vaults 10:20:03 wheals: realism >.> 10:20:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:20:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:46 <|amethyst> I could see not wanting to allow > to take you back to Hell 10:22:04 <|amethyst> since the portals out and the portals down look similar (except for colour) 10:22:39 <|amethyst> oh wait 10:22:40 <|amethyst> they don't 10:23:01 <|amethyst> and both keys seem to work anyway 10:23:48 <|amethyst> I see, it's EXIT_HELL, not the hell branch exits 10:24:01 yeah, the hell branch exits are enter hell 10:24:38 oh, right 10:25:16 hm, i guess making feat_stair_direction into bitflags means i can just ditch that function, and replace it with having both flags set 10:25:31 so wait, is this function saying that pan entrances are bidirectional portals? 10:25:37 or am i misunderstanding something 10:25:44 i think it just means you can use < or > 10:26:06 oh 10:26:12 bidirectional is a misleading name 10:26:13 oh wow, this check is duplicated in main.cc and stairs.cc 10:26:15 check this out 10:26:25 !source main.cc:1446 10:26:25 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/main.cc;hb=HEAD#l1446 10:26:34 !source _check_stairs 10:26:35 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc;hb=HEAD#l315 10:26:45 <|amethyst> probably one for when you press the key, and one when the delay ends 10:27:46 in case you get teleported during the delay from an upstairs to a downstairs? 10:28:14 // TODO(Zannick): Fully merge with up_stairs into take_stairs. 10:28:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:28:34 it is weird that the vaults entrance is bidirectional and the exit is not 10:29:13 probably since the exit was previously a normal stair 10:29:42 and i think that function actually meant to use DNGN_ENTER_HELL rather than DNGN_EXIT_HELL 10:29:52 because that doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise 10:30:19 guess who never finished that todo 10:30:26 this guy 10:30:33 i think the idea is that sometimes you enter hell using < (in hells) and sometimes using > (in D) 10:30:40 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:54 but you always exit hell using < 10:31:10 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:31:12 why do you always exit hell using that's the part i don't get 10:31:18 <|amethyst> why do we even have separate keys? 10:31:21 <|amethyst> for < and > I mean 10:31:39 <|amethyst> if it's to prevent accidents, then surely no portals should be bidirectional? 10:31:55 well 10:32:11 it would be quite hard to tell which one to use if none were bidirectional 10:32:11 -!- ZRN has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:30 it's so that we have some excuse for the redundancy between down_stairs and up_stairs 10:32:46 I've definitely had moments where I stood on a down stair thinking it was an up stair and then only realized when I used the wrong key . . . 10:32:52 -!- ZRN_ is now known as ZRN 10:33:36 |amethyst: i think it's more so that you can't accidentally press > twice and end up in the wrong place 10:33:48 that's especially an issue in places like hell branches 10:33:55 where the portal doesn't just go back to where you came from 10:34:12 <|amethyst> doy: except you *can* 10:34:17 <|amethyst> doy: because those are bidirectional 10:34:24 |amethyst: right, which is why i said that that's mostly likely a mistake 10:34:28 because it doesn't really make sense 10:35:36 -!- CcS has quit [] 10:36:56 |amethyst, wheals: I'm not aware of any name comparisons against corrosive bolt/beam of acid. Also, when I was checking earlier, the spell didn't show up at all, under either name.... 10:36:56 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:37:03 deep elf sorcerer (13e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 52-77 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(112) | XP: 1730 | Sp: b.corrosive (3d18), banishment, haste, sum.demon, hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:37:03 %??deep elf sorcerer 10:37:06 i wasn't serious, don't worry 10:37:07 and yet it's there now 10:37:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because I rebuilt monster 10:37:19 o 10:37:24 thanks! 10:38:03 <|amethyst> portal branch exits are also bidirectional; but there, you are prevented from accidents by the vault dropping you on an empty arch rather than an exit 10:38:15 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1339 this is where the whole bidirectional thing was added 10:38:20 for what it's worth 10:38:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:28 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:54 the snark strikes again! 10:39:01 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 10:39:06 yeah, in 4.1 i know there are random things (like you have to visit shops by going up) 10:39:20 <|amethyst> doy: well 10:39:44 <|amethyst> doy: it looks like that made the hell exit *not* bidirectional? 10:39:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:56 <|amethyst> or rather made different checks align 10:40:00 yeah 10:40:04 it seems to be an unrelated bug 10:42:56 i think as a general rule, you shouldn't be able to press the same < or > key twice and have the second press actually do something 10:43:03 ugh, i suck at programming :C 10:43:17 except if you tripped while going up stairs 10:43:27 well, sure d: 10:44:33 i'm trying to use evoker_is_charged to assign a different tile to inert evokers 10:44:44 but it seems to always return true even when they're inert 10:45:10 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: where? 10:45:27 in _tileidx_misc in tilepick.cc 10:46:08 return evoker_is_charged(item) ? TILE_MISC_FAN_OF_GALES : TILE_MISC_FAN_OF_GALES_INERT; 10:46:13 is what i put in 10:46:27 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 10:46:40 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: I bet it's getting an item_info rather than the real item 10:47:38 that's what i figured 10:47:50 but i imagine we don't want to reveal plus2 directly 10:47:54 <|amethyst> yeah 10:48:38 tileidx_item seems to be declared as taking an item_info in tilepick.h but as taking an item_def in tilepick.cc 10:48:38 they show up with (inert) after their name; could i check that somehow? 10:48:42 should probably make that consistent 10:48:44 so it's less confusing 10:49:14 doy: the morass that is Tiles Code 10:49:22 heh 10:49:44 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: testing something 10:52:00 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: this seems to work 10:52:15 interesting... feat_is_rock is true for stone walls 10:52:20 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: is this going to be in 0.15 too? 10:53:16 <|amethyst> wheals: that function seems to be used only in the Lua API 10:53:18 and evoke.cc has a static function _is_rock with different requirements 10:53:22 |amethyst: no, it's for 0.16 10:53:33 |amethyst: and strangely, nothing in crawl itself seems to use it, either 10:53:40 <|amethyst> yeah 10:53:43 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53:50 i mean, it doesn't matter since it's hardly a huge change 10:53:56 i'll see when it was added 10:54:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-63-g80d8e96: Allow distinguishing inert from charged evoker item_infos. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=80d8e96c5bf3 10:54:31 <|amethyst> wheals: _is_rock in evoke.cc is probably about the stone of EEs 10:54:31 yeah, seems so 10:54:53 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: evoker_is_charged should work on them now 10:54:57 |amethyst: ah, thanks 10:55:17 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:55:19 |amethyst: rock worms, it seems 10:55:41 and the lua api probably so that bots can try to not attack worms in rock walls? 10:55:49 <|amethyst> ah, that makes sense 10:56:01 <|amethyst> not sure about the Lua side 10:56:34 <|amethyst> seems like you could check several other things instead in Lua 10:56:46 ah, looks like due just added it for consistency with everything else in there 10:57:12 and when rock worms were removed someone assumed the function was used for something in the API 10:57:31 -!- tcjsavannah_ is now known as tcjsavannah 11:00:18 i'll remove it myself to avoid conflicts 11:00:39 !send wheals CONFLICT 11:00:40 Sending CONFLICT to wheals. 11:00:42 !send wheals STRIFE 11:00:42 Sending STRIFE to wheals. 11:02:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:02:46 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:03:28 <|amethyst> btw, that list for the evoker in _is_rock is duplicated in bolt::digging_wall_effect, except there grate is accepted too 11:03:58 <|amethyst> but I guess merging those wouldn't have much point, since one side or the other would need to special case grates 11:04:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:00 ugh 11:05:06 why do people comment code out instead of removing it 11:05:14 we have source control! that's what it's for!!! 11:05:16 !blame Grunt 11:05:16 I pronounce Grunt... Guilty! 11:05:33 Lasty_: i'll gladly make you an altar but you have to tell me what to draw xD 11:05:39 %git c2729587 11:05:40 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-574-gc272958: Remove Qazlal's DMsl; bump RMsl to 4*. 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 12+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2729587307a 11:05:58 I am Very Disappointed in you, Grunt 11:08:20 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:47 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-64-ge530672: Inert versions of evoker tiles 10(14 minutes ago, 6 files, 15+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e530672c8423 11:11:03 heh 11:11:04 " Request: Crazy Yiuf should walk through poison/fire clouds if he can't avoid them, because he's crazy. " 11:11:20 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:11:40 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:12:36 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140802030201]] 11:13:02 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13:23 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14:56 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-65-g0fa4da6: Nemelex icon color contrast (Bloax) 10(2 minutes ago, 5 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0fa4da6310a2 11:15:16 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:01 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:17:22 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:17:51 -!- bananaken has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:18:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:37 -!- doubtofbuddha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23:08 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:26:10 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:30:17 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:31 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:41 huh, rod of shadows seems to not be working 11:33:03 i got a frost giant with 12.5 skill, and it seems likely that it's just because i'm in an ice cave 11:35:15 so, i had a rather insane thought 11:35:36 what if cut the brightness of all item tiles by, like, half 11:35:53 maybe only on the ground 11:36:43 yeah, you are never gonna get a frost giant with 12.5 11:36:51 i heard that it works with the OOD timer too 11:37:06 it seems like a really weird implementation 11:37:07 !source mon-pick-data.h 11:37:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h;hb=HEAD 11:37:51 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:26 ontoclasm: the new robe tiles are really bright, yeah 11:44:32 half is too much 11:45:53 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 11:47:07 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:50:41 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:47 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:51 -!- stickyfingers_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:59:53 -!- radinms has quit [] 12:03:31 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-44-gb588af2 12:10:57 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:12:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-65-g0fa4da6 (34) 12:17:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:48 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:07 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:10 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:29:00 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:29:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:30:41 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:34:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:35:27 ontoclasm: Thanks! Here are the ideas I've got: 1) a crude stone table with a sacrificial knife on it. 2) An insubstantial altar clearly depicting an open eye. 3) An altar shaped like a pair of scales with a heart in one scale and an open eye or magical burst in the other. 12:35:32 Take your pick. 12:37:44 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:38:33 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 12:43:21 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:44:33 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:49 -!- read has quit [Quit: windows AAAAA] 12:53:10 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:22 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:56:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:05:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:07:40 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:47 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:10 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 13:11:28 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:13:56 !tell ontoclasm Thanks! Here are the ideas I've got: 1) a crude stone table with a sacrificial knife on it. 2) An insubstantial altar clearly depicting an open eye. 3) An altar shaped like a pair of scales with a heart in one scale and an open eye or magical burst in the other. 13:13:56 Lasty_: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 13:14:52 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16:23 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:26:11 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:55 an altar shaped like a sacrifical knife 13:27:18 a knife, shaped like an altar, shaped like an eye looking at a knife 13:27:48 pots of gold and rainbows, and a red balloon 13:28:29 PleasingFungus: Send that to ontoclasm immediately. We need to get this in now! 13:28:37 if not sooner.... 13:29:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:36:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:27 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:10 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Use !messages to read it. 15:11:56 !messages 15:11:56 (1/1) Lasty_ said (1h 58m ago): Thanks! Here are the ideas I've got: 1) a crude stone table with a sacrificial knife on it. 2) An insubstantial altar clearly depicting an open eye. 3) An altar shaped like a pair of scales with a heart in one scale and an open eye or magical burst in the other. 15:12:50 ontoclasm: that is, in principle, something that could be fixed, with sufficient effort 15:12:52 something like...transifex? 15:13:22 PleasingFungus: yeah, but the effort would be pretty serious in some cases 15:13:26 PleasingFungus: There's an awful lot of hard-coded text in Crawl 15:13:29 well, transifex is only part of it - the other problem is that most of crawl's text is hard-coded 15:13:30 yes 15:13:34 crawl has a fuckton of text 15:13:47 and i wish this was an understatement 15:13:48 I am aware it would be a huge amount of work, though I do have thoughts about how it could be done, if someone was willing to do it 15:14:30 DottorLeo: also, the guy who was running our translation project accidentally deleted our transifex project some time after he left - I don't remember if he was able to recover any of it or not 15:14:36 As someone whose job responsibilities include being the language resources expert in my company, I can say that it appears to be a tremendously large undertaking. 15:14:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:15:31 oh ok 15:15:35 thanks! 15:18:05 sorry I can't offer a more positive response 15:19:01 (when I say tremendously large undertaking, I don't mean that it's impossible or anything, but it would take some serious, dedicated effort) 15:19:10 -!- dgu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:19:22 yep 15:19:30 <|amethyst> by someone with a fair amount of linguistics knowledge 15:19:39 yep 15:19:43 there is a reason that I am not volunteering :) 15:19:45 <|amethyst> since you have to handle grammar, not just translating fixed phrases 15:20:12 Yes. The number of code-assembled sentences in crawl makes it particularly challenging 15:20:22 !send Lasty_ thing_do_grammar 15:20:22 Sending thing_do_grammar to Lasty_. 15:20:23 All of that would need to be refactored out 15:20:36 you would essentially need to ban use of mprf 15:21:04 or, rather, replace it with some higher-level, more abstract functionality 15:21:06 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 15:21:06 I don't think mprf is the problem, necessarily. You just need to only feed in proper nouns and numbers 15:21:39 <|amethyst> Lasty_: that assumes proper nouns don't have to agree with their verbs etc 15:21:55 mprf is way too crude a tool to handle more than one language 15:21:57 |amethyst: true. 15:22:48 there's still more low-hanging fruit to pick up 15:23:01 stuff like translating names (of abilities, monsters, spells) in addition to description 15:23:03 s 15:23:43 UI elements, statuses 15:24:52 <|amethyst> translating names isn't so low-hanging, because unless you want to do it over again you already have to think about how to encode their grammatical properties 15:26:22 for monsters and items... yeah, probably. abilities & spells tend to be standalone - you could probably get away with less there 15:26:38 <|amethyst> that's true 15:27:17 I'm not used to translating with the premise that any human language might be fair game. 15:27:34 i think the simplest solution is to first implement a universal translator 15:27:35 It's a lot easier when you have a handful of languages to support 15:28:02 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 15:28:46 <|amethyst> Lasty_: make the list, say: Korean, German, Finnish, Turkish, Chinese 15:28:55 <|amethyst> If you can handle all of those you're probably in good shape :) 15:28:57 hahaha 15:28:58 haha 15:29:29 only four wildly different language families. no problem 15:29:39 我不知道如何支持這句話的翻譯。 15:29:40 just provide a babel fish 15:30:02 na klar 15:30:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: three to five depending on who you ask 15:30:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: Not everyone classifies Finnish and Turkish together; and some of those who do include Korean too 15:31:27 oh, I was grouping (korean + chinese), (german + english), finnish, turkish. probably my ignorance is showing 15:31:33 |amethyst: Have you studied linguistics? 15:31:38 <|amethyst> Korean and Chinese are unrelated 15:31:41 <|amethyst> Lasty_: a bit 15:32:04 don't forget about arabic, rtl stuff is its own whole set of complications 15:32:28 doy: I actually think that's just a drop in the bucket of the issues at hand 15:32:46 nah, it's a fair point 15:32:48 though, of course, getting your terminal and your app to agree about who is to do the bidi algorithm is always good 15:33:09 PleasingFungus: I didn't mean to belittle it, only to bebig the other parts ;-) 15:33:36 in conclusion, let's get this all sorted out and ready for a full 172-language release for 0.15 :) 15:33:51 I believe. I believe in the team. 15:34:31 <|amethyst> also, there's the question of where to get translators... a significant amount of what translation we do have is bad 15:34:40 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12998 15:34:51 translating possibly the easiest stuff, the documentation and ? alone 15:34:53 is a big undertaking 15:35:00 ?/ has a shitload of text 15:35:00 No matches. 15:35:44 well, ?/ is the stuff that we're closest to having support for translating (even if, as |amethyst noted, a lot of it is bad) 15:36:01 ?/I, ?/M, ?/S are supported; possibly others, I forget 15:36:01 No matches. 15:36:21 -!- DottorLeo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 15:36:23 <|amethyst> 1. People on transifex tend to use google translate and not even care about whether the result reads well in their own language 15:36:50 <|amethyst> 2. Even the stuff that was hand-translated by native speakers (Polish, by Kilobyte) is apparently of "catastrophic quality" 15:37:06 Oh dear, catastrophic. 15:42:07 yeah, ze german tranzlationz are also quite bad. 15:42:18 I could probably crack out a good Danish translation. 15:42:30 except i don't particularly want to because just about anyone in denmark can read english 15:42:46 but strangely not google translate bad. it looks more like somebody put it through google translate and fixed it somewhat up but not completely 15:43:14 that means, it is good enough that you don't recognize at a glance if you need to fix it or not. and that really sucks. 15:44:07 <|amethyst> Literature translations (in quotes) were the best 15:44:17 <|amethyst> re-translating things back into the original language 15:45:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:48:05 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:20 -!- LexAckson_ is now known as LexAckson 15:48:25 i can translate it into, uh 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Use !messages to read it. 18:53:08 -!- CatPlusPlus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:51 !blame PleasingFungus 18:53:51 Grunt: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:53:51 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 18:54:28 If we are in 0.15 beta, do you still want me to redo the elf city? 18:54:29 what did I doooo 18:54:37 infiniplex: yeah elf city was what I was thinking about 18:54:48 PleasingFungus: fire crabs 18:54:49 PleasingFungus: in Lair 18:54:52 yesssssssss 18:55:11 did you die 18:55:20 It wasn't me! 18:55:27 infiniplex: tbh I was thinking it could be taken out of rotation for 0.15 (& revamped in 0.16) 18:55:35 but if you think there are simple fixes, that could work 18:55:35 I need someone to push at least the first patch from 8744 first so I can make another change to it. 18:55:40 !bug 8744 18:55:40 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 18:55:41 OK to taking it out. 18:55:52 -!- Sky__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:02 ok 18:56:07 The first patch should have no effects. 18:56:14 by itself 18:56:37 It's not currently being used? 18:56:48 oh, I see, it just adds options 18:57:01 !send PleasingFungus options 18:57:01