00:05:01 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:05:49 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-40-gf68c32e (34) 00:05:56 -!- grit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:52 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:12:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12:42 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:45 -!- grit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:25 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:23:16 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-40-gf68c32e (34) 00:23:44 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 00:24:25 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:55 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:26:42 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:08 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:28:45 has 0.15 been feature-frozen? 00:29:10 !version 00:29:12 trunk: 0.16-a0-25-g33eb9e9; 0.15: 0.15-b1-7-gb785ff6; 0.14: 0.14.1-27-g0f46f74; 0.13: 0.13.2; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 00:32:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:32:35 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:33:31 -!- eb_ has quit [] 00:34:00 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:38 Kramin: yes. 00:42:13 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 00:48:10 -!- crate_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49:04 -!- Deathawk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:50:19 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-40-gf68c32e 00:50:26 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:59:18 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:00:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:01:48 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/okawaru.png color$$$$ 01:02:41 -!- Brannock__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:02:50 !tell ontoclasm hello i heard you like colors https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/okawaru.png so why not have some 01:02:51 Bloaxor: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 01:03:32 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:26 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:04 -!- syndicus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:16:38 -!- ]th_r[ has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 01:19:10 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:21:05 -!- ]th_r[ has quit [Client Quit] 01:22:09 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 01:24:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140802030201]] 01:29:07 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 01:29:46 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 01:30:06 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:49 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:04 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:35:10 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:38:26 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:39:48 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:42:49 !tell ontoclasm Warslings/greatslings are apparently autooutlined, and by apparently I mean that their shadow is outlined. (ha ha) 01:42:50 Bloaxor: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 01:44:30 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:48 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:14 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:59:49 |amethyst: ping me again later today and i'll give you the required permissions and tell you what needs to be adjusted 01:59:58 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01:26 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:06:22 -!- dwajio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:06:23 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:07:22 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:10:04 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:16 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:17:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:18:34 Experimental (chunkless) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1876-gfcdb68f 02:26:57 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-28-g171dbaf 02:27:23 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 02:27:44 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:24 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-40-gf68c32e (34) 02:41:34 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47:26 -!- Predelnik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:55:12 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:55:51 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:57:51 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:58:49 New branch created: balaur (12 commits) 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-41-gc420fab: base data for balaur 10(10 hours ago, 3 files, 27+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c420fab23724 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-42-ga3f68e8: give balaurs a (temporarily single and random) breath 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 32+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3f68e87b513 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-43-g4859770: make balaurs cast all spells simultaneously 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 23+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4859770daac4 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-44-g54770b5: store spell types on each head individually 10(70 minutes ago, 2 files, 32+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54770b5924eb 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-45-g1bbe3ec: avoid allowing heads to share breath types 10(64 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1bbe3ecb7822 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-46-gfd5eff9: balaurs need some resistances 10(62 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd5eff992145 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-47-g25ca52f: should set mon->number too, to help reuse some hydra code 10(55 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25ca52fad2ca 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-48-g6f05a05: give balaurs a hydra-like melee attack 10(50 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f05a0566152 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-49-g46dd0fd: give the balaur's melee attacks a corresponding flavor 10(37 minutes ago, 1 file, 35+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=46dd0fd77d6e 02:58:50 03doy02 07[balaur] * 0.16-a0-50-gb4450a6: handle chopping off balaur heads properly 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4450a609307 02:58:50 ... and 2 more commits 03:13:05 wtfs a balaur 03:17:18 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:18:43 -!- MiracleKinacle has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:23:24 -!- SamB__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:11 -!- ]th_r[ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:21 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:44 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:59 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 03:25:19 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:35:50 -!- DKR_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:37:03 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:49:04 hydra caster? 03:49:10 each head casts 03:49:18 from the 10s of tired as fuck reading i did 04:08:13 casts, or breaths? 04:09:42 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:11:11 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:15:51 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:05 -!- Philonous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:22:36 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 04:22:39 doy [balaur] * 0.16-a0-43-g4859770: make balaurs cast all spells simultaneously 04:22:41 vOv 04:22:50 yeah 04:22:57 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:11 i guess it could just be referring to hte breaths as spells though i dunno 04:23:28 if nobody else answers i'll read the codei n the morning and try to puzzle it out ;o 04:23:31 * :o 04:23:31 the spells are basically dragon breath weapons 04:23:36 it seems 04:23:57 -!- blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:30:42 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:30:42 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:30 -!- Mandragora has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:58:03 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:03:46 -!- _79bit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:04:56 -!- kait_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:07 -!- Davens has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:11:18 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11:42 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 05:13:03 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:35 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:16:30 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:16:39 -!- rast- is now known as rast 05:16:51 -!- dgf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:20:12 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 05:20:32 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 05:20:43 vozhyg (L16 TrCK) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster oklob sapling failed to pathfind to (40,43) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 05:22:21 -!- FlowRiser_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:25:33 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:02 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 05:39:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:45:36 -!- Kramin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:52 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:48:53 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:51:43 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:18 Tedronai (L20 SpBe) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1396: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type -849808072 (-849808072) (Depths:1) 05:54:39 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:01:40 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:05:41 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:01 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:11:11 Tedronai (L20 SpBe) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1396: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1730746377 (1730746377) (Depths:1) 06:19:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:26 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:25 Using brothers in arms multiple times causes crash 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 by Tedronai 06:22:28 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:24:35 ontoclasm (L26 FoEE) ASSERT(col < MAX_TERM_COLOUR) in 'options.h' at line 542 failed. (Vaults:4) 06:25:28 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:35 i messed it up~ 06:25:36 ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:25:41 !messages 06:25:42 (1/2) Bloaxor said (5h 22m 51s ago): hello i heard you like colors https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/okawaru.png so why not have some 06:25:54 !messages 06:25:55 (1/1) Bloaxor said (4h 43m 5s ago): Warslings/greatslings are apparently autooutlined, and by apparently I mean that their shadow is outlined. (ha ha) 06:32:08 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:32:25 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:56 okay, i thought i knew why that crash happened but it turns out i don't 06:42:07 ontoclasm (L27 HuDK) ASSERT(col < MAX_TERM_COLOUR) in 'options.h' at line 542 failed. (D:1) 06:58:02 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:00:14 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:40 ontoclasm (L27 HuDK) ASSERT(col < MAX_TERM_COLOUR) in 'options.h' at line 542 failed. (D:1) 07:01:45 got it 07:04:10 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:08:22 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-41-g587f6e7: Don't crash the game on invoking BiA (#8851). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=587f6e766e20 07:08:26 ontoclasm (L27 HuDK) ASSERT(col < MAX_TERM_COLOUR) in 'options.h' at line 542 failed. (D:1) 07:08:30 ooh 07:08:34 how unusual 07:09:19 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:30 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:52 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:00 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:10:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:26 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:13 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:30 Crash when LRDing a monster that's ETC colored 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8852 by ontoclasm 07:17:42 -!- Dingle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:19:02 -!- ketsa has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:02 -!- johlstei has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:02 -!- Deathawk has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:02 -!- Arkaniad has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:02 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:03 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:03 -!- soundlust has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:03 -!- sstrickl has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:03 -!- Krakhan has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:03 -!- Kintak has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:03 -!- Moredread has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:03 -!- johnny0 has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:04 -!- Lantell has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:04 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:04 -!- zkyp has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:04 -!- PsyMar has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:04 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [*.net *.split] 07:19:05 -!- sstrickl_ is now known as sstrickl 07:21:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:22 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:22:34 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:34 !messages 07:23:35 No messages for Lasty1. 07:23:50 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:50 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:21 ??rebuild 07:24:21 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 07:24:46 oh right, i don't have a clan account 07:25:48 -!- Coier has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:26:18 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-41-g587f6e7 (34) 07:28:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:33:24 -!- dgf has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 07:33:40 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-41-g587f6e7 (34) 07:34:12 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-41-g587f6e7 (34) 07:34:52 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:43:55 -!- LastyW has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:23 -!- LastyW has quit [Client Quit] 07:44:45 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:05 -!- Lasty_ is now known as Lasty 07:46:15 -!- Lasty is now known as Lasty_ 07:48:33 * You have some suspicious patch lines: + no newline at eof (line 96) + extra newlines at eof (line 98) 07:48:53 i think util/checkwhite is drunk 07:49:33 <|amethyst> wheals: it had zero, now it has two 07:49:41 <|amethyst> oh 07:49:45 <|amethyst> those are both + 07:50:08 <|amethyst> (That's not checkwhite though) 07:50:58 oh, i assumed it used it 07:51:14 that might explain why checkwhite can't find the error 07:54:07 -!- zkyp_ is now known as zkyp 07:54:36 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:55:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 07:59:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-42-g3b2dec9: Correctly handle elemental-coloured explosions (#8852) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b2dec9df94a 07:59:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-43-g391f62c: Brace and unbrace. 10(24 seconds ago, 2 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=391f62c37dfe 08:00:37 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-29-g4827886: Correctly handle elemental-coloured explosions (#8852) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=482788684f70 08:04:43 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:11:44 |amethyst: thanks! 08:19:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:59 -!- Brannock__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:25:03 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 08:25:30 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:38 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:17 -!- moq__ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:31:11 03ontoclasm02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-14-g9894f4d: De-rim greatslings 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9894f4dbb09e 08:31:11 03ontoclasm02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-31-g4cb1873: Merge branch 'stone_soup-0.15' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl into stone_soup-0.15 10(5 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4cb1873c6a8f 08:31:16 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:23 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:23 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:23 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:23 -!- Moredrea1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:23 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:23 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:23 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:28 -!- Surr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:32:07 what 08:35:01 oh, i did it backwards, i suck :/ 08:35:01 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:36:10 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: git config branch.stone_soup-0.15.rebase true 08:36:18 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-44-gd96af6c: De-rim greatslings 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d96af6c62035 08:36:23 <|amethyst> except I'm not sure if that works because of the dot 08:36:38 |amethyst: yeah, i remembered 08:36:43 ...after i pushed it 08:36:46 <|amethyst> :) 08:36:59 ontoclasm.txt 08:38:08 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 08:38:50 -!- Rarn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 08:43:01 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:03 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:20 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:31 -!- puissantveil_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:52:42 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:55:02 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:41 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:58:19 |amethyst: the CAO 0.15 logfile seems to be symlinked to the 0.14 logfile 08:58:25 <|amethyst> wha 08:58:27 And same for milestones 08:58:28 <|amethyst> doh 08:58:48 <|amethyst> that explains some things 08:59:42 <|amethyst> so I bet now all CAO games are doubled in the scoring pages 09:00:02 That seems likely if you updated the scoring pages already 09:00:40 And if I recall, the scoring scripts are not good at undoing damage like that :) 09:01:46 read: yeah, they're breath weapons, "spells" is just a reference to the internal implementation 09:02:17 Oh doy has been reanimated 09:02:32 <|amethyst> greensnark: could wipe the db clean and spend a week or so regenerating it 09:02:43 |amethyst: That sounds like fun :) 09:02:54 ??hydrataur 09:02:55 hydrataur[1/1]: One of four possible unique guardians at lvl 3 of the abyssal stair. Each of his nine necks ends in a javelin throwing humanoid torso, and he also buffs, heals and sprays hellfire. Carries the madness rune. 09:03:32 <|amethyst> greensnark 09:03:47 <|amethyst> greensnark: links should be fixed now 09:04:24 Thanks! 09:04:33 greensnark: yeah, every once in a while(: 09:04:41 who nerfed the hydrataur 09:05:07 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [] 09:05:24 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:32 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:06:23 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:57 -!- lessens_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:07:28 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:08:26 <|amethyst> greensnark: hm, but I'm not sure what the database is, and don't know the mysql root password 09:09:46 <|amethyst> oh, mysql scoring -uscoring 09:11:38 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:13:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:36 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:22:34 <|amethyst> hm, and there's a db dump here from 2009 09:22:57 <|amethyst> not sure whether that's supposed to be loaded before processing the logs 09:22:59 <|amethyst> :/ 09:23:07 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 09:24:11 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:34 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26:03 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 09:28:11 centaur (07c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-32 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(16) | XP: 112 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 09:28:11 %??Centaur 09:28:14 centaur (07c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-32 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(16) | XP: 112 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 09:28:14 %?Centaur 09:28:18 weird 09:29:51 <|amethyst> greensnark: wiped, about to start over 09:30:03 <|amethyst> greensnark: hopefully this will finish before the tournament :) 09:36:13 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:36:33 -!- Demagog has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:39:35 <|amethyst> greensnark: it looks like it's committing after every line? 09:39:55 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:51:18 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:00 Jentry (L5 DDFi) (D:4) 09:53:11 <|amethyst> !crashlog Jentry 09:54:34 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:56:44 No milestones for Jentry (crash). 10:00:29 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:00:43 <|amethyst> looks like it will take about 18 days at this rate 10:00:51 <|amethyst> 300 lines per minute 10:01:06 %git :/get_line_autohist 10:01:07 07by02 * 0.6.0-a1-2495-g610e12b: Macro entry with msgwin_get_line_autohist. 10(4 years, 6 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=610e12ba8f80 10:02:02 oh, a misspelling 10:02:17 <|amethyst> hm 10:02:52 <|amethyst> sorry, 26.5 days 10:03:13 <|amethyst> based on an estimate of about 11.4 million lines 10:03:25 \o/ demigods_rebase compiles 10:05:20 -!- hyperbolic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:08:05 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 10:10:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:36 |amethyst: We should rewrite the scoring thing sometime 10:14:35 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:34 <|amethyst> greensnark: so I modified it to skip the transaction wrapper, and instead commit every 3000 lines when it prints "Processed %d lines" 10:16:56 <|amethyst> greensnark: now it's going at 3000 lines every 45 seconds, rather than every 10 minutes 10:17:18 Nice 10:17:55 <|amethyst> so it will be done in about two days 10:19:11 !source util/unbrace 10:19:11 Couldn't understand /unbrace 10:19:33 <|amethyst> !source util/unbrace:1 10:19:33 Couldn't understand /unbrace:1 10:19:36 <|amethyst> hrm 10:20:11 !source util\/unbrace 10:20:11 Couldn't understand \/unbrace 10:20:14 worth trying 10:20:33 <|amethyst> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/util/unbrace;hb=HEAD 10:20:47 yeah, i got it 10:21:07 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:21:15 i was hoping it would 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Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:05:15 hm 12:05:32 some art person, like a bloax or an ontoclasm, should probably fix the spriggan rider sprite before 0.15 comes out 12:05:37 now that they don't ride fireflies 12:05:52 what *do* they ride 12:05:52 -!- Dorvarich_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:06:04 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:06:54 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-44-gd96af6c (34) 12:07:31 !send Bloax WASPS! 12:07:31 Sending WASPS! to Bloax. 12:07:36 (yellow wasps) 12:09:43 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:11:07 -!- Dorvarich___ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:11:07 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:12:52 -!- syndicus_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:28 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 12:14:08 -!- sstrickl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:01 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:11 jesus christ remind me to make those wasps less awful 12:16:28 -!- Letchik has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:16:31 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/spriggan_rider.png 12:16:56 hm 12:17:08 kind of hard to notice the rider on that 12:17:15 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:17 he's hiding, which is adorable, but misleading 12:17:27 they aren't very compatible 12:17:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:25 hm 12:18:31 what's the current sprite look like, again? 12:21:00 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:10 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:21:30 -!- Gene_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:23:30 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/spriggan_rider%20%282%29.png 12:25:03 hm 12:25:18 I guess it's the same style, it just blends better for the old firefly 12:26:05 but we don't want to put too much weight on the wasp, since spriggan riders don't sting - most of their threat is the spriggan itself... 12:26:10 -!- simmarine has joined 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a spell, seemingly added for no other purpose than to confuse unspoiled players 12:50:42 (also present on boris, margery, others I forget) 12:50:59 oh 12:51:02 hm 12:51:07 clearly it should apply maprot 12:51:18 and mislead status 12:51:25 since unspoiled players definitely won't know that crawl strictly shows all debilitating effects on your status bar 12:51:44 (usually because they've played other roguelikes where such practices are Perfectly Normal) 12:51:46 mind you i agree that cantrip messages are incredibly stupid too! 12:51:47 Oh, and also amnesia some ID'd items 12:52:03 i still remember i thought orc wizards had some sort of might spell until i got spoiled and learned that cantrip was a thing 12:52:11 erase inscriptions & shuffle item letters obv 12:52:14 minmay: me too!!! 12:52:23 -!- MiracleKinacle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:52:25 Bloax: also crawl doesnt do that 12:53:20 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:53:39 interesting 12:56:38 -!- M1zzu 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16:45:10 !tell marvinpa: yeah, I only changed it since I considered it a straightforward bugfix. (this was incorrect.) |amethyst & I were talking about changing the weighting further, to approximate the same weighting for players' speciality schools without specially penalizing " " " antitrained " " " schools; that is probably the Right Solution but idk if now is the time to change it 16:45:10 Sorry PleasingFungus, I don't know who marvinpa: is. 16:45:17 !tell marvinpa yeah, I only changed it since I considered it a straightforward bugfix. (this was incorrect.) |amethyst & I were talking about changing the weighting further, to approximate the same weighting for players' speciality schools without specially penalizing " " " antitrained " " " schools; that is probably the Right Solution but idk if now is the time to change it 16:45:17 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 16:45:19 hm 16:46:11 !tell MarvinPA I only changed it since I considered it a straightforward bugfix. (wrong.) |amethyst & I talked about changing the weighting further to oppose all other schools, not just the 'antitrained' one 16:46:11 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 16:46:35 !tell MarvinPA that's probably the "right" solution but idk if post-feature-freeze is the right time to make it; a rollback *might* be simpler. undecided. 16:46:35 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 16:47:31 * ontoclasm truncates Sequell. 16:47:43 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:34 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 16:55:22 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:monster:creatures:new_monsters&#balaur if anyone has any feedback 16:56:23 doy: how am i supposed to draw that :C 16:56:35 haha 16:56:45 rltiles/UNUSED/monster/hydrataur.png 16:56:52 mm 16:56:53 chaos dragon hydra klown 16:57:12 klown 2: klown harder 16:57:13 imo upside down colour-changing hydra 16:58:22 it could also be re-themed as something other than a dragon/hydra - the original idea i had for this was a chimera, but it seems that was already implemented as something else 16:58:59 lindwurm (09k) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 34-62 | AC/EV: 8/6 | Dam: 20, 10, 10 | !sil | Res: 06magic(36) | XP: 647 | Sp: b.flame (3d18) | Sz: Large | Int: reptile. 16:58:59 %??lindwurm 16:59:06 huh 16:59:11 I thought someone had added rf to them at some point 16:59:19 huh 16:59:22 didn't realize that 16:59:31 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:59:34 yeah it is pretty unintuitive (which arguably supports your point) 16:59:40 (re balaur resists) 16:59:43 yeah 17:00:59 your wiki link is very slightly broken - it seems to be including the ] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaur]) 17:01:07 mm 17:01:28 fixed 17:01:32 ty :) 17:02:09 monster does seem conceptually cool. I worry it might trample on golden dragons a little bit 17:02:13 yeah 17:02:14 in terms of being the "multi-element dragon" 17:02:29 the other concept i had for it was a multi-headed giant 17:02:38 since fire and frost giants are a bit boring 17:02:51 and they are the other common depths monsters 17:02:56 but i don't know 17:03:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekatonkheires these guys, clearly 17:03:51 (except with elemental breaths) 17:03:56 yeah(: 17:04:08 name is a bit more of a mouthful, ofc 17:04:45 alternately, could move them to l/k/whatever the "smaller" ones are now, and make them more of a glass cannon sort of thing 17:04:55 although glass cannons are not as fun in terms of gameplay 17:05:52 maybe having venom bolt instead of pcloud for poison breath would mean less overlap with golden dragons, but I have no idea if that would make poison too weak for them 17:06:14 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-44-gd96af6c (34) 17:06:19 that's a possibility 17:07:54 venom bolt and fcloud obv 17:08:06 except it'd kill itself 17:08:16 and everything else nearby 17:09:00 tengu reaver (13Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 17 | HP: 66-106 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 27, 11, 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(68) | XP: 2058 | Sp: b.lightning (3d22), battlesphere, freezing cloud (2d27) / b.magma (3d26), battlesphere, fireball (3d27) / b.venom (3d21), battlesphere, poisonous cloud (3d11) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:09:00 %??tengu reaver 17:09:55 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:03 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:04 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:06 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 17:12:33 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 17:12:34 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 17:14:32 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:17:43 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:12 -!- NothingMatters has quit [] 17:23:48 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:25:17 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:46 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:26:25 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:58 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:59 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 17:29:44 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:57 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:05 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.5.0/20140429144124]] 17:31:26 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:31:33 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 17:31:43 -!- Sharkman1231_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:32:48 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:05 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:33:14 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 17:33:27 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:34 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:48 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:24 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 17:37:28 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:37:30 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:37:30 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:43:19 -!- DarkEternal_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:48:24 -!- ilyak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:49:27 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:01:48 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:02:42 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:06:13 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:07:15 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:53 -!- Egon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:15:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:15:34 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:15:53 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:16:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-45-gdc37dba: Recolour stones brown. 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc37dbaf8c18 18:16:32 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-32-g31cfe18: Recolour stones brown. 10(82 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31cfe18d4a5c 18:17:49 !send |amethyst bikesheds 18:17:49 Sending bikesheds to |amethyst. 18:18:13 oh 18:18:15 this was a bugfix 18:18:18 <|amethyst> yes :) 18:18:25 hm 18:18:26 Grunt: http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/2chdwc/anyone_else_having_problems_with_dcss_in_windows/.compact -- more windows users are starting to run into problems where they can't view stderr/stdout output 18:18:59 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8773 18:19:20 You're asking the wrong guy about this; I'm not a Windows dude. 18:19:51 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:06 ahh, i remember discussion a while back and you thought you asked what my recommended course of action was 18:21:15 -!- stanzwecha is now known as stanzill 18:21:42 I remember that discussion, but I think I was asking more than just you? 18:22:05 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:22:43 Ahh right, I think it was sort of left in limbo 18:22:54 in the Abyss 18:22:55 if you will 18:22:56 >_> 18:25:03 the thing is... i'm not sure those two commits worked on any version of windows 18:25:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:29:07 that commit is only really relevant for startup + error messages, so if the method of testing was, "make sure crawl console mode still works fine", the testing missed the mark 18:29:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:09 PleasingFungus: perhaps you can help us decide a course of action here 18:30:29 <|amethyst> If you manually switch your terminal's font to a truetype font (like consolas) does the error message appear? 18:30:59 no 18:31:01 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 18:31:04 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:31:54 well, let me verify again just to be sure, but i'm pretty sure i tested that when i filed the report 18:32:15 <|amethyst> also, how does the console version work? 18:32:21 <|amethyst> Does it just not display anything? 18:32:22 are we talking about that thing where kilobyte tried to enable UTF-8 18:32:30 SamB: yes 18:32:30 <|amethyst> SamB: yes 18:33:11 |amethyst: crawl uses the windows console api for console mode, so unicode is handled "just fine" during regular play 18:33:14 so, does this actually sometimes work? 18:33:25 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:40 but the setmodes messed up the stdout/stderr messages completely -- after reverting those two commits i get error messages just fine 18:33:51 johnny0: likewise 18:33:56 two commits, now? 18:34:16 <|amethyst> %git d4add257e 18:34:16 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-2064-gd4add25: Try to enable UTF-8 mode for stdin/stderr on new versions of Windows. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 11+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4add257e660 18:34:21 <|amethyst> %git 6c35d263 18:34:22 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-2068-g6c35d26: Define _O_U8TEXT by its numeric value on old compilers. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c35d263d0cb 18:34:55 yeah -- i also linked an article in that mantis report which explains how enabling UTF-8 like that is not enough 18:34:59 the trouble is that it does this even when it can't work :-( 18:37:49 anyway, it seems to be broken from vista->win81 -- i don't have an xp machine to test on but it is most likely broken there too 18:39:02 which means any bugs encountered by windows users related to program startup have zero diagnostic output associated with them 18:39:27 hmm 18:39:50 I had always trusted that there was some version for which it had been determined to WORK 18:40:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:55 I missed the mantis link 18:40:56 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:07 oh wait found it 18:44:38 IIRC, the linked article explains a few approaches and gets a solution which generally works well, but it is not nearly as simple as setting a mode. Also, it might require a recent CRT version which is a problem if the official windows builds are built using a mingw toolchain 18:45:15 actually, wait, IIRC the problem does not even show up on my system 18:47:03 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:43 a somewhat convoluted test is to try running a mingw crawl console app in a non-cmd.exe terminal 18:48:17 Something like, "error initializing terminal. Press 'enter' to continue." should be printed by crawl 18:48:46 I think my MSVCRT.DLL doesn't know the magic bit 18:49:03 where by "magic" I mean "not really enough" 18:49:29 ahh, so it stays in cp437 or iso western or whatever? 18:51:44 I guess a better test case would be to intentionally fail startup somewhere after the mode gets set, or just print some debugging statements to stdout/stderr and fflush 18:52:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:57 ontoclasm: did you see the oka altar yet 19:02:23 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:03:59 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:04:28 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:43 johnny0: okay, yeah, it looks like that flag doesn't still doesn't do something sane, and would need a change of codepage anyway 19:06:59 and so, um, we should presumably revert those two commits 19:07:01 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:07 |amethyst: ^ 19:07:28 <|amethyst> sounds reasonable 19:07:39 <|amethyst> mojibake is better than no output 19:07:50 <|amethyst> and most error messages won't have non-ascii anyway 19:07:57 indeed 19:08:21 especially since I fixed the crashlog functionality 19:08:28 so it can actually write to a file 19:09:49 -!- _79bit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:10:14 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:13:18 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:15:16 yeah, the windows crashlogs look fine in char_set=unicode console mode 19:16:37 I suspect they have CRLF line-endings, but are otherwise unmolested by either the CRT or the OS 19:19:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:20:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:22:47 -!- rchandra1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:04 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:23:16 -!- rchandra1 is now known as rchandra 19:25:25 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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ZZZzzz…] 20:21:49 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:57 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:59 -!- rast- is now known as rast 20:26:15 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 20:27:40 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:34 |amethyst: Seems to be working fine! I'll post a confirmation note on the mantis issue and close it 20:32:43 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:07 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:24 <|amethyst> chilled legumes 20:39:12 oh interesting... the char dumps in windows output ascii, but the crashlogs output UTF-8 20:40:11 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:40:20 johnny0: ASCII is a subset of UTF-8, you know 20:40:44 err i mean, the char dumps convert the crawl char_set to ascii 20:40:49 hmm 20:41:23 I'm not sure why we don't do that for crashdumps 20:41:28 whereas the crash dumps preserve the char_set and output in "ANSI as UTF-8" 20:42:02 (as notepad++ calls it) 20:42:10 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:42:23 that's a really strange thing to call it just based on the file contents ;-P 20:48:50 anyway, not a big deal, just interesting that the char dump is different (my chardumps on cszo keep the char_set=unicode) 21:22:30 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:22:31 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:22:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:22:31 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:23:48 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:48 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 21:23:52 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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(D:15) 22:21:41 <|amethyst> !crashlog keymashgrqeeg 22:21:42 1. keymashgrqeeg, XL14 MuSu, T:26603 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/keymashgrqeeg/crash-keymashgrqeeg-20140805-032049.txt 22:21:44 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 22:22:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:28 keymashgrqeeg (L14 MuSu) ASSERT(col < MAX_TERM_COLOUR) in 'options.h' at line 542 failed. (D:15) 22:22:34 <|amethyst> rebuilding 22:23:03 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:30 -!- MrPeeps has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:24:37 Grunt: sorry, I wasn't actually online the last time you pinged me 22:24:42 I'm... not sure why I was signed in? 22:24:58 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:25:08 ??? 22:25:17 oh 22:25:23 why/how 22:25:28 That problem has already solved itself 22:25:29 so don't worry 22:25:30 :) 22:25:35 perfect! 22:25:37 :) 22:25:41 !send PleasingFungus problems 22:25:41 Sending problems to PleasingFungus. 22:25:46 hm 22:25:48 speaking of problems 22:26:02 do you have an opinion on the Weighty Vehumet Problem 22:27:18 it's a little to 22:27:20 too 22:27:21 !glasses 22:27:22 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:27:22 weighty 22:27:25 for me to comment on 22:27:31 (whether to adjust vehumet spell weighting to do something reasonable now that antitraining is gone, or to revert to the old antitraining issue) 22:27:34 -!- syndicus__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:40 ...the old antitraining behaviour* 22:28:45 the problem with the current situation being that it doesn't weight the player's skills as heavily (since the "antitrained" skills no longer have their weights penalized) 22:32:24 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:33:52 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:34:45 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-33-g66304f2 22:39:02 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/summon_HORRIBLE_things.png hmm 22:39:02 Bloaxor: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 22:39:47 horrible things needs more ugly tentacle things 22:40:23 that seems... kind of dark and hard to read 22:41:03 so that means it'll stick out 22:41:04 great 22:42:03 . . . 22:42:07 hi bloax 22:43:10 hi 22:43:32 what would you think a dark and hard to read icon would be among a bunch of bright and easy to read icons 22:44:03 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:13 oh ok, a few people are here 22:44:13 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:44:24 wanted to ask about two things 22:44:42 first is letting !resistance grant rcorr, second is having ?mmap not leave any unmapped squares 22:45:07 haha "AC: -2120" 22:45:15 good year for AC 22:45:23 apparently the corrosion changes weren't accounted for in fsim 22:45:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:45:51 hrm, is there even a cap for the mallus? 22:46:00 also that 22:47:01 Bloaxor: a bad idea! 22:47:06 well, I've heard people mention other forms of mapping when the full ?mmap thing was brought up, but unless there are objections there or any other gotchas, I'll probably go make that change 22:47:18 PleasingFungus: are you ok with the rcorr for !resistance thing 22:47:20 this sounds like a Feature Change after a Feature Freeze 22:47:23 I support both of those 22:47:32 and was actually planning on making the rcorr / !res change 22:47:43 well tbh the !res thing feels like a balance tweak 22:47:47 and the mmap is just so minor 22:47:58 how confident are you that it won't cause any errors 22:48:31 well it's hard to imagine...I guess the rcorr thing ....hrm, I can't really imagine any problems 22:48:49 <|amethyst> the mmap thing would be a little trickier I think 22:48:54 <|amethyst> because what do you do with DD? 22:48:54 oh really? 22:48:59 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:49:07 seems fine that they get a partial map 22:49:20 or maybe there's more to it than I understand 22:49:42 dd & automap-mut people are a different case than magic mapping, I'd think 22:49:52 unless they use the same code for some insane reason 22:50:07 (does ash also give that? I forget) 22:50:09 <|amethyst> I think they do 22:50:12 I recall there's a magic map function (mapstat does it) with a percentage 22:50:28 !function magic_mapping 22:50:28 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/xom.cc;hb=HEAD#l593 22:50:33 <|amethyst> yes, and it has 22:50:39 <|amethyst> if (dist > very_far) 22:50:39 <|amethyst> threshold = threshold / 3; 22:50:41 <|amethyst> etc 22:50:51 <|amethyst> I guess if you make it perfectly map the whole level 22:51:10 <|amethyst> then there won't be anything that is very_far 22:51:29 <|amethyst> oh 22:51:38 <|amethyst> the radius is 500, I guess that's good enough :) 22:51:49 ok, I need to look at this DD stuff 22:52:12 case SCR_MAGIC_MAPPING: 22:52:12 magic_mapping(500, 90 + random2(11), false); 22:52:20 changing 90 + random to 100 22:52:25 was the change I was thinking 22:52:39 but I guess DD having partial map is also silly 22:53:19 |amethyst: where is the DD mapping code, since you're looking at it (it seems)? 22:53:30 <|amethyst> I'm looking at magic_mapping 22:54:24 what's wrong with DD having partial mapping 22:54:30 PleasingFungus: you're right this was a great idea https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/summonies.png 22:54:37 yeah, I'm with doy here 22:54:47 Bloaxor: nice font 22:55:15 haha, it's not even going to fit into the spell box 22:55:28 Blood Crow is a-ok. 22:55:45 what is this 22:56:06 a crime against humanity 22:56:17 oh, probably related to that terrible ice beast tile 22:56:19 what is wrong with scrolls having partial mapping? 22:56:40 scrolls have like 95% mapping, which is just irritating 22:57:18 <|amethyst> elliptic: the fact that they only miss a few squares, so often you know by context that something is there but can't navigate to it with _\>etc 22:57:19 mm 22:57:20 doy lives 22:57:23 elliptic: its mostly just a source of annoyance when critical tiles are unmapped, especially since you can look carefully at surrounding vault to guess that the e.g branch entrance is there 22:57:25 * doy waves 22:57:30 * Grunt waves back. 22:57:34 dd & mapmut characters don't pretend to give the entire map; they give hints, with more holes than knowledge 22:57:40 |amethyst: pretty rare that you know that 22:57:52 yeah but it's really not that rare 22:57:53 unless you have extreme amounts of vault knowledge 22:58:04 I've experience the scroll hiding a portal vault once. 22:58:07 it was pretty funny 22:58:11 same 22:58:16 I expect that is actually the point 22:58:21 it's pretty easy to look at the surrounding map context to see the vault *unless* its some kind of dummy entrance 22:58:34 i mean, i'd also support scrolls dropping to like 80% or so 22:58:35 unless it's a labyrinth entrance 22:58:37 (that it's very likely to reveal portal entries, but not necessarily guaranteed) 22:58:46 it's just annoying that it's almost always reliable, except when it's not 22:58:58 -!- phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:59:12 you could say the same thing about 5% fail rate spells 22:59:23 scrolls are limited use though 22:59:28 5% fail rate spells can be cast again, yeah 22:59:47 when you hit the 5% chance of a spell to fail, it miscasts 22:59:49 I think if the map percentage were either significantly lower or 100%, the situation would be better 23:00:13 when you hit the chance of a magic mapping scroll not letting autotravel work, it doesn't let autotravel work 23:00:21 honestly, thinking about it, i'd probably slightly prefer dropping the scroll mapping percentage as opposed to making it 100% 23:00:37 well except in rare cases magic mapping is actually a scarce resource 23:00:53 Bloaxor: really? 23:00:56 i've never really had issues 23:01:01 except for* 23:01:01 depends on how much you use it i guess 23:01:07 it's very useful for extended 23:01:13 and tends to be limited there, at least in my experience 23:01:13 they get pretty thin after a couple of extended branch ends, yes 23:01:26 they tend to be limited 23:01:27 in a 3-rune game you're gonna have enough for everything you need it for (timed portals) 23:01:29 i guess 23:01:33 unless you find a couple in pan and some in a ziggurat 23:01:38 it's pretty often I make it to a timed portal level without magic mapping 23:01:44 i've never tried using it in hell/pan 23:01:47 even when I haven't used it for anything other than timed portals 23:01:52 i guess i can see how it could help though 23:02:08 yeah, *need* was the wrong word 23:02:10 and you don't really reach timed portals anymore without mmapping 23:02:12 anyway, I don't feel that strongly about it, but I've found the imperfect mapping to be interesting from time to time 23:02:18 oh I misread 23:02:20 it is in fact pretty bad to immediately pop mapping on a portal 23:02:30 so I guess I'd be interested in seeing the 95% chance reduced also 23:02:58 or make nearby squares more likely to be detected than faraway squares, maybe 23:03:01 a randomized random percent is very silly in any case 23:03:06 not really 23:03:07 I worry that a lower % magic mapping would strongly encourage looking for portal entrance vaults 23:03:13 PleasingFungus: eh, that's everywhere in crawl 23:03:22 i don't think that's a distinction worth worrying about 23:03:25 (: 23:03:26 it means that sometimes you do get perfect mapping and sometimes you get only 90% 23:03:27 instead of just being able to go to the portal with 3 keystrokes 23:03:36 elliptic: is it a literal fraction, or is a per-square chance? 23:03:57 doesn't really matter, no? there are a ton of squares 23:04:02 it does in fact matter 23:04:13 Halfling viable backgrounds 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8853 by Palyth 23:04:14 the point though is that you roll the random2(11) once per scroll 23:04:16 why does it matter 23:04:41 if you roll a 95% chance thing 1000 times, you will get fairly close to 950 23:04:50 yes 23:04:52 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:29 some rolls will be closer to 90%, some will be closer to 100% 23:05:40 uh, that is 23:05:44 some % of squares revealed 23:05:52 (with a fixed 95% chance per-square) 23:06:03 <|amethyst> when you read the scroll it picks a number between 90 and 100 23:06:04 -!- MiracleKinacle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:06:13 <|amethyst> then each cell has that chance of being revealed 23:06:15 yeah that's true even if there's a fixed fraction witha random fraction 23:06:21 and then it uses that chance for every square, yeah 23:06:28 |amethyst: yes, I know that. I am saying that it is literally equivalent to just using "95" instead of rolling 23:06:32 no 23:06:35 <|amethyst> no 23:06:37 it literally is not equivalent 23:06:45 think of it this way 23:06:58 <|amethyst> if you use "95" the chance of getting all squares revealed is really really low 23:07:02 with the current code, there is a >1/11 chance of every square being revealed 23:07:07 mm 23:07:16 true 23:07:21 the current code has substantially more variance than what you are suggesting, basically 23:07:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:07:32 (and that's probably intentional) 23:07:34 I am beginning to think I have a poor intuition for probability 23:07:47 don't worry 23:07:50 it is very natural 23:07:53 a lot of things about probability are unintuitive 23:07:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: in general, more rolls = less variance 23:08:25 aight 23:08:33 anyway, that was side-tracking from the actual discussion, anyway 23:10:39 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:11:53 I think what might be good for imperfect mapping is to do something a bit more complicated than just lots of independent per-square chance 23:12:16 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:12:20 better nearer mapping than far mapping being one idea? 23:12:37 maybe mapping based on pathfinding? 23:12:41 that's one idea, or another idea is to make the unmapped squares clump together 23:13:03 yeah, so that an "unmapped area" is really that 23:13:05 pick like 20 random squares and floodfill out from them or something 23:13:07 so that you would be missing a couple of substantially sized holes in your map, yeah 23:13:30 of course perfect mapping is simpler and I do see the advantages in that 23:13:35 aww yee 23:13:53 I just find it a little boring :) 23:13:57 * doy agrees 23:14:09 -!- vede has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:14 scroll of BORING mapping 23:14:16 well truth to be told i don't find noisy mapping very exciting either 23:14:41 ok, I'll shelve (shelf?) the 100% mmap thing 23:14:43 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/summonies2.png also look at this guy crawling out of the boundaries 23:14:48 which is why we're discussing alternatives to noisymapping, yes, Bloaxor :) 23:14:49 isn't he cute 23:15:17 imho make your tiles readable instead of not readable 23:15:21 that is my Personal Feedback 23:15:34 I like that the "unmmaped areas" idea will better tend to either give you the portal/stairs or not while potentially keepign some of the interesting side-effects of the scroll not working 23:15:40 why would i show you HORRIBLE THINGS 23:15:52 because you're making an icon 23:16:06 any changes to XXX must be approved by me; that's in the design document people 23:16:40 I'll look at giving rcorr on !resist, hopefully nothing weird has to be done there 23:16:41 ...that's because you're a horrible dev 23:16:44 remind me to travel two years back in time and submit this 23:16:52 so that we can fix this "accidental" rule 23:16:55 Grunt: I do not dispute that one bit 23:17:15 1learn add gammafunk a horrible thing 23:17:22 already there 23:17:22 !learn edit gammafunk[7] s/$/ Grunt: I do not dispute that one bit/ 23:17:22 gammafunk[7/9]: You are a horrible, horrible dev Grunt: I do not dispute that one bit 23:17:28 haha 23:17:40 <3 the false proximity of those irc messages 23:17:45 :) 23:17:59 All dev learndb entries are required to be misle-- uh, perfectly accurate. 23:18:06 ??pleasingfungus[misl 23:18:07 pleasingfungus[2/8]: a misleading learndb dev entry ????? 23:18:27 ????? 23:18:49 ????? 23:19:02 ??!!ONE!!ELEVEN 23:19:02 I don't have a page labeled !!ONE!!ELEVEN in my learndb. 23:19:08 !!!!! 23:19:09 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 23:19:18 ##### 23:19:21 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:28 box of goodies 23:19:28 hm 23:19:28 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:47 imagine random crawl maps 23:19:53 pulled together from ##crawl-dev logs 23:20:00 what horror 23:20:06 indeed 23:20:09 a misleading ##crawl-dev vault entry ????? 23:20:12 I think I should make a wordpress post 23:20:17 about 0.15 23:20:25 that is a theoretical possibility 23:20:42 hrm, did anyone offer to help elliptic with the tourney? 23:20:53 I nominate gammafunk 23:20:55 maybe even a necessity 23:20:57 not yet afaik 23:21:08 uh, me designing tournament banners sounds like a bad idea 23:21:23 100% unreadable banners are us 23:21:24 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:37 I guess we can just sanity-check the existing ones 23:21:38 you can of course get banner ideas from the community and choose among them 23:21:40 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:22:20 not the worst idea 23:22:30 I mean there will be plenty of 'worst ideas' offered 23:22:34 but also one or two good ones! 23:22:47 mainly I just want someone to take charge who isn't me :) I should still be able to help with the technical side of getting things working, but actually just deciding on banners/rules/dates etc is a fair amount of time/stress for me 23:22:58 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:55 gammafunk: no single person was responsible for the last tourney's banner concepts; I think an idea or two of mine even ended up being used :) 23:27:04 (and of course I can do the banner art again) 23:27:11 (todo come up with Q banner) 23:27:49 well, I think I can help with this tournament in terms of coordination and some running of scripts or whatnot, but not likely for subsequent tournaments 23:30:48 I'm going to make a post about the beta now 23:30:55 and we can make a post about release & tournament dates soon 23:32:20 <|amethyst> Grunt: crash the game with 3/9/27 distinct crash messages (ignoring numbers and things in parentheses) 23:32:27 |amethyst: <3 23:32:41 bh might be jaded that team HEIE didn't win last time, so he may be hard to recruit again 23:32:47 haha 23:32:50 for team HESu that is 23:33:11 at some point I should probably try to win a su 23:33:14 !hs . su 23:33:14 3. PleasingFungus the Caller (L4 VSSu of Dithmenos), slain by an adder on D:3 (nemelex_xobeh_ov_fountains_minmay) on 2014-03-25 02:26:47, with 174 points after 1594 turns and 0:05:01. 23:33:18 mm 23:33:22 wow 23:33:25 you should 23:33:27 !glasses 23:33:27 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 23:33:30 summon up your courage 23:33:32 and give it another go 23:33:34 !lg . --Su max=xl 23:33:35 159. gammafunk the Convoker (L17 HESu of Sif Muna), slain by a manticore (summoned by the player character) on D:5 on 2014-08-04 00:00:55, with 227155 points after 24075 turns and 4:03:14. 23:33:35 !lg * vssu won 1 23:33:36 1/4. dck the Slayer (L26 VSSu of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-02-07 20:38:47, with 1873298 points after 52825 turns and 5:54:43. 23:33:42 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/summonies2b.png since you guys hate red eyes so much 23:33:47 ah, I was trying to poach the score 23:33:56 oh really, now....oh right. I wiz-moded that last one 23:33:59 so it's not even tracked 23:33:59 Bloaxor: the eyes were literally the only thing I did not have a problem with 23:34:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:34:43 my problems: (1) it's dark (2) it's indistinct (3) it doesn't fit in the icon (4) it is, in fact, the wrong color 23:34:51 I recognize that all of those are intentional, stylistic choices 23:34:57 I'm just saying that they're bad :) 23:35:08 <|amethyst> if anything is going to stick out of the frame it should be malign gateway :P 23:35:22 wow no fun allowed 23:35:28 <|amethyst> are we going for all borders or no borders? 23:35:33 <|amethyst> since I see a mix here 23:35:33 !learn add pleasingfungus no fun allowed 23:35:34 pleasingfungus[9/9]: no fun allowed 23:35:42 |amethyst: the old ones don't have borders 23:35:43 all borders, I think 23:35:47 ^ 23:35:56 ontoclasm has been making great new icons (with borders) 23:35:58 all the ones without borders are old ones 23:36:20 <|amethyst> oh, so the ones with borders are new? 23:36:23 <|amethyst> Just making sure here 23:36:34 ya 23:36:45 and horrible things is of course bloax's WIP 23:36:48 yeah, they tend to be fairly abstract, which helps keep them simple 23:36:58 <|amethyst> FR: little raccoon marsupial people piloting the magic dart 23:37:18 apparently applying a bit of mystery is a terrible design choice 23:37:32 that uh abjuration icon though. it's cool looking but man good luck guessing at the meaning based on the tile alone 23:37:45 I guess that's not the design focus of the tile though 23:37:49 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:37:52 because what is it that is so horrible 23:38:06 well i sure won't tell except for giving you pretty eyes 23:38:14 gammafunk: yeah I think ontoclasm gave up on that one. tbf, though, it's a variant on his abjuration icon 23:38:16 and dark spooky tentacles 23:38:20 %git :/ummoning 23:38:24 07Lasty02 * 0.15-a0-2090-geb426df: Ru: Fix summoning evokers while under Sac Love 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 36+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb426df56664 23:38:28 Bloaxor: you can barely even see the tentacles! 23:38:33 heh 23:38:41 sorry but my vision is overpowered 23:39:03 %git 3bc2141fe 23:39:03 07ontoclasm02 * 0.15-a0-1949-g3bc2141: Abjuration spell icons 10(4 weeks ago, 3 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bc2141fe0c8 23:39:07 gammafunk: ^ 23:39:10 * gammafunk waits for some segway into Cheibriados and heug stats affecting vision 23:39:39 <|amethyst> it is easier to see than Shadow Creatures, I'll give it that 23:39:39 oh I see 23:39:44 it's kind of a progression 23:39:57 shadow creatures is just bad 23:40:05 i'm at least trying to do something 23:40:15 shadow creatures is really funny, but not in an intentional way 23:40:16 I think 23:40:28 it's a very happy little shadow, yes 23:40:41 <|amethyst> hm 23:40:43 heh, try getting the concept of "summons monsters from the level your on" into a tile 23:40:49 hrm 23:40:57 why can you get corroded when you're not wearing armour? 23:41:02 <|amethyst> perhaps abjuration could be better represented by a crumbling pentagram? 23:41:05 doy: your weapon? 23:41:06 it affects slaying 23:41:08 otherwise you can't, afaik 23:41:09 because the devs hate us 23:41:12 <|amethyst> doy: it melts your clothes and your hands 23:41:18 <|amethyst> I guess 23:41:21 it melts YOU 23:41:21 PleasingFungus: it gives me -AC, so... 23:41:23 and then you repair your hands 23:41:28 You are melting! [x32] 23:41:31 because you're a cyborg 23:41:31 doy: yes, and -slay 23:41:34 it's the same effect now 23:41:36 ~game abstractions~ 23:41:44 <|amethyst> pehaps the -AC should cap at your armour's AC 23:41:47 <|amethyst> (total) 23:41:51 PleasingFungus: no, i mean, i'm wearing no armour, and i still get a -AC effect 23:41:57 that seems odd 23:42:02 ehhhhhh 23:42:09 <|amethyst> and the -slay at your weapon's base + enchantment damage? 23:42:11 I really really really do not want to make mechanical changes 23:42:14 because of things that "seem odd" 23:42:18 a robot was sent to retrieve the gnome wizard's orb, which is guarded by klowns and quadraped guadians, ok? 23:42:26 also, no cap means that "AC: -39092" is possible 23:42:30 doy: so? 23:42:32 *guardians 23:42:40 why is that a problem 23:42:42 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:42:50 it would be hilarious to get an underflow 23:42:55 I mean that's great AC in nethack imo 23:43:03 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:08 <|amethyst> does it mean anything different from AC: -10 ? 23:43:20 afaik it means the same thing as ac:-10 and ac:0 23:43:26 <|amethyst> timeout doesn't depend on amount of corrosion, right? 23:43:31 well, it wearing off would leave garbage in the stat area if too much wore off at once, but i just fixed that 23:43:35 the fact that a dev is asking that means it needs clarification imo 23:43:50 yeah, i think it should at least not be confusing 23:43:56 AC should be cutoff at 0 23:43:59 yes, it could certainly be less confusing 23:44:07 Kramin: note that you can already have negative ev 23:44:20 (without getting corrosion involved) 23:44:27 cue xl2 SpEn in GDA 23:44:33 cue crashes 23:44:37 is negitave EV any different from 0? 23:44:39 spamming the ##crawl-dev channel with crashes 23:44:42 again, afaik, it is not 23:44:46 however 23:45:01 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-47-g3d2dfd8: heal a few other things with wizmode superheal 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d2dfd808e07 23:45:01 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-48-g63d8d37: make sure we clear out the whole ac and sh stat area on change 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63d8d37e0bce 23:45:04 it's useful to know, since that lets you know how much str/armour skill/dex/dodging you are away from having positive ev 23:45:07 since corrosion wears off all at once 23:45:13 yep 23:45:15 the same is not true for it 23:45:25 but it still feels weird to floor displayed ac at 0, but not ev 23:45:26 idk 23:45:44 doy: THANK you for 3d2dfd80 23:45:49 that's been annoying me for a while 23:46:05 (but not enough for me to do anything about it) 23:46:09 (: 23:46:20 why is your face upside down 23:46:29 why not? 23:46:31 fair enough 23:46:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: Crawl did start in Australia 23:46:40 :(: 23:46:46 <|amethyst> everybody is upside-down there! 23:47:19 dang 23:47:28 -1000 AC/EV is exactly the same as 0 AC/EV 23:47:48 source: silly fsim 23:48:04 in any case, i'd be fine with waiting for 0.15.1 or whatever if it's really worrisome, but i really don't think it makes any sense for corrosion to not be tied to equipment 23:48:33 retheme it as "acid coating" or something like that. or just theme it as that in your head 23:48:38 aagh, acid! 23:48:42 <|amethyst> could rename it 23:48:51 well, the message for corrosion ending is "you repair your equipment" 23:48:52 Argh! Nuclear waste! 23:48:53 <|amethyst> certainly "repair" doesn't make sense 23:48:53 so 23:48:55 Burns! Stinks! 23:48:58 doy: yes that is a bad message 23:49:03 I have fixing it on my todo 23:49:05 somewhere 23:49:33 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49:36 <|amethyst> "Slimed" 23:49:42 Slime'd! 23:49:49 <|amethyst> it reduces your AC because eww, slime 23:49:50 Goo'd Again 23:49:53 You repair your gear and cells 23:49:57 <|amethyst> "I don't know" 23:50:09 It's So Goo'd 23:50:37 You scrub the disturbing slime off. 23:52:30 The slime crawls off your skin and vanishes. 23:54:00 The disorientating glob of ethanol-based slime vapourizes off your now disturbingly clean self. 23:54:52 why ethanol 23:54:53 <|amethyst> The orcs invade the Slime Pits to drink the royal jelly 23:55:14 oh yeah 23:55:16 also 23:55:25 probably royal jelly should be renamed back to honeycombs 23:55:28 because of its tendency to vapourize at cool temperatures 23:55:35 how has the 0.15 feedback been? 23:55:37 since the joke was good but it is kind of confusing to players 23:55:59 there's at least one vault that makes that joke explicit 23:56:07 except honeycombs are horribly boring 23:56:42 doy: ? 23:57:06 <|amethyst> !vault hangedman_little_slice_of_home 23:57:06 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/food.des;hb=HEAD#l188 23:57:55 ah, I do know that vault 23:58:11 I'd forgotten that was originally a royal jelly (pre-honeycomb-replacement) 23:58:16 !vault minislime_mu 23:58:16 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des;hb=HEAD#l2914 23:58:20 i was thinking of that one 23:58:36 wait I uh 23:58:50 I just realized there are two slime:6 imitator vaults 23:59:39 ...also, it feels weird to me that those item types are fixed but not pre-ID'd 23:59:45 heh, which is the other one 23:59:57 <|amethyst> yeah, they should be