00:00:12 <|amethyst> "Your post has been forwarded to 4chan. Please follow up there for further discussion." 00:00:34 rip 00:00:38 dang 00:01:12 rchandra: Ru probably needs more testing before being considered trunk-worthy, let alone release-ready. :( 00:01:30 (clearly land Ru in trunk immediately after the 0.15 tournament ends) 00:01:36 that seems viable tbh 00:01:37 <|amethyst> eh, I say... what Grunt just said 00:01:50 I am honestly excited & pleased by how well ru has been coming along 00:01:55 <|amethyst> except I'm serious :) 00:01:58 in all seriousness after-tournament would be better 00:02:07 consensus :) 00:02:07 but I do not want to delay gratification :) 00:02:12 pfft 00:02:33 <|amethyst> I don't like the name much, but eh 00:02:44 <|amethyst> Rename it back to "iashol" once it lands :P 00:02:48 !send |amethyst death mangoes 00:02:48 Sending death mangoes to |amethyst. 00:02:54 !lm . crash 00:02:55 16. [2014-05-09 23:37:14] johnnyzero the Cutter (L6 KoEn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5) 00:03:07 ahh guess it hasn't updated yet :/ 00:03:14 <|amethyst> johnny0: was it sprint? 00:03:19 or idlashemyfos 00:03:27 <|amethyst> johnny0: and what server? 00:03:39 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:39 <|amethyst> johnny0: we've seen some cases of crash milestones not being generated 00:03:50 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:04:38 |amethyst: cszo, regular game -- http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20140801-045952.txt 00:04:56 Level corruption? 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8843 by MrDespairSA 00:05:00 the "I, asshole" thing is as easily fixable as the dith mangoes thing 00:05:07 just remove a letter anywhere 00:05:08 I like the pun with ru 00:05:23 also, being literally two letters is distinctive and memorable 00:06:19 <|amethyst> johnny0: hm... I'm sure I've seen that before 00:06:41 PleasingFungus: what is the pun with ru 00:07:27 you will rue your sacrifices........ 00:07:35 <|amethyst> MrDespairSA's bug is odd 00:07:51 |amethyst: looks like a rendering glitch 00:07:58 |amethyst: it is a webtiles game... 00:08:06 <|amethyst> yeah, I guess 00:08:09 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2386-g838f727 (34) 00:08:34 <|amethyst> but if he really did go down and back up, shouldn't the dump say Lair:2 not Lair:3 ? 00:08:53 <|amethyst> I guess maybe it was down, up, and back down, and neither the submitter nor webtiles registered the "back down" 00:09:03 dang i didnt even realize that ru pun 00:09:06 looks like just adding him to is_unavailable_god() is not in fact enough 00:09:08 (gozag) 00:09:17 is gozag still too bad to be in trunk 00:09:20 or 0.15 00:09:28 <|amethyst> honestly, I think Gozag in 0.15 wouldn't be terrible 00:09:50 <|amethyst> I'd worry more about putting in something broken (LO, Dj) than something that might not be good enough 00:09:55 %git 456eec3 00:09:55 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2287-g456eec3: Show divine/cond. shield in % and @ (Kramin, PleasingFungus) 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=456eec362be7 00:10:00 he's kinda weak but i don't think he has any egregious design problems 00:10:00 ? 00:10:04 LO wasn't broken 00:10:09 LO was fun as hell though 00:10:13 rip LO 00:10:19 Dj was pretty overpowered but pretty dang amusing as well 00:10:20 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:10:22 ruined by being too similar to HO 00:10:24 <|amethyst> Lightli: pretty sure heat aura and speed was broken :) 00:10:27 Dj was boring 00:10:30 speed got removed 00:10:32 :( 00:10:36 those were the good old days 00:10:40 of LO tension swiftness 00:10:50 where you had to try to die with them 00:11:12 then LO got removed 00:11:15 rip 00:11:39 LO was pretty broken until you needed to use a scroll of blinking 00:11:41 and you couldn't 00:12:00 yea once the speed got removed 00:12:02 PleasingFungus: I think to disable a god, you'd need to: 00:12:03 i rated them below HO 00:12:06 for that reason 00:12:10 1) make them not considered a temple god; 00:12:24 2) disable any vaults that place altars to them 00:12:27 -!- fsc418 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:12:32 eesh 00:12:48 (2) sounds... tricky to do while maintaining him in trunk 00:13:04 I'd probably add an is_disabled_god() for the former, and vault-disabling can happen after branching 00:13:11 (this has been done in the past for other things) 00:13:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: not too bad 00:13:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: expose via lua whether e's enabled 00:13:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: then set the weight with lua 00:13:29 aaa lua 00:13:43 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:14:14 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:19 <|amethyst> Is that "aa" as in "ah" or as in "I'm invoking Smiting"? 00:14:32 it's "oh dear, do I need to actually learn lua now" 00:14:46 <|amethyst> not really, just the C-Lua interface 00:15:05 <|amethyst> which, granted, is quite a bit uglier than Lua 00:15:19 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:15:23 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 00:15:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:15:39 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:42 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 00:15:57 TS__, |amethyst: as to whether gozag should be disabled at all or not, the argument that I've seen is that his wrath doesn't really work (true), bribe branch is too weak/needs a redesign (questionable?), duplicate doesn't really work at all (true), and in general he's a bit too weak (questionable). 00:16:24 Well 00:16:42 i ahve not played him, but duplicate is quite limited 00:16:48 i'm not sure what his wrath is supposed to do, but in practice the effect is pretty negligible 00:17:00 Bribe Branch: how to clear Elf:3 significantly earlier than you should be able to 00:17:07 (... that's basically the only use I've found for it) 00:17:37 Grunt: how early 00:18:51 if you want to clear elf:3 early with divine support just go tso 00:18:56 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2386-g838f727 (34) 00:19:05 you could probably do it with one angle if it wasn't for blademasters 00:19:12 *angel 00:19:42 !lm * br.end=elf min=xl won 00:19:43 14802. [2012-07-28 17:06:04] 4thArraOfDagon the Frost Mage (L12 DrHu of Ashenzari) reached level 5 of the Elven Halls on turn 13024. (Elf:5) 00:19:47 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:19:50 hm 00:19:53 !lm * br.end=elf min=xl gozag won 00:19:53 51. [2014-06-11 19:21:16] Chiseanne the Acrobat (L14 SpAs of Gozag) reached level 3 of the Elven Halls on turn 38340. (Elf:3) 00:19:54 !lm * br.end=elf min=xl won 00:19:56 14802. [2012-07-28 17:06:04] 4thArraOfDagon the Frost Mage (L12 DrHu of Ashenzari) reached level 5 of the Elven Halls on turn 13024. (Elf:5) 00:20:01 !lm . br.end=elf min=xl won 00:20:02 61. [2012-05-03 16:31:36] Lightli the Bringer of Life (L13 HOHe of Elyvilon) reached level 3 of the Elven Halls on turn 19945. (Elf:3) 00:20:16 !lm * br.end=elf recent gozag won 00:20:17 51. [2014-07-29 06:32:32] johnnyzero the Spry (L17 SpWn of Gozag) reached level 3 of the Elven Halls on turn 45879. (Elf:3) 00:20:23 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:37 !lm * br.end=elf recent won x=avg(xl) 00:20:38 4493 milestones for * (br.end=elf recent won): avg(xl)=20.82 00:20:41 !lm * br.end=elf recent won !gozag x=avg(xl) 00:20:42 4442 milestones for * (br.end=elf recent won !gozag): avg(xl)=20.84 00:20:44 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:20:45 !lm * br.end=elf recent won gozag x=avg(xl) 00:20:46 51 milestones for * (br.end=elf recent won gozag): avg(xl)=19.69 00:20:48 hm 00:20:57 -!- Dingle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:22 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:22:04 -!- Kramin has quit [Client Quit] 00:22:11 the first and only time I used bribe branch, I got a red draconian monk buddy who shredded zot 00:22:28 but apparently after I did that, bribe branch was nerfed 00:22:32 yeah 00:22:37 no more permanent allies from it 00:22:52 they were only as permanent as your gold....... 00:22:58 true 00:22:59 clearly make bribe branch work on everything sentient to make up for it (i.e. bribable ancinet liches) 00:23:28 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:14 Shoals assertion failure - mesmerise/behold 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8844 by johnnyzero 00:25:50 ugh, that's probably my fault 00:25:52 rip 00:26:52 -!- bcode has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:36 anyway. I'd like to pass the gozag thing off onto someone else, since the relevant code seems touchy & I don't have a great deal of experience with a lot of it (versioning, lua interfacing & vault weight setting) 00:27:53 but if no one else feels up to it, I'll try to muddle through it 00:30:49 -!- wat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:02 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:37:51 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:38:24 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:38:28 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:51 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2386-g838f727 00:53:41 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:53 -!- Dingus has quit [Client Quit] 01:03:27 -!- Dingle has quit [Client Quit] 01:04:30 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:05:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2387-gbf02086: Make is_unavailable_god available to dlua. 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf02086bd654 01:08:49 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:08:54 nice 01:13:13 <|amethyst> maybe that belongs in a different namespace, I don't know 01:15:09 <|amethyst> but now you can do something like 01:16:36 <|amethyst> {{ if crawl.unavailable_god("Gozag") then _G.weight(0) end }} 01:16:40 <|amethyst> (on multiple lines) 01:17:07 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 01:18:13 <|amethyst> don't use it with Jiyva in vault definitions 01:18:29 <|amethyst> since Jiyva can change availability during a game 01:18:56 I wasn't planning on it 01:19:12 <|amethyst> (this does depend on str_to_god("Gozag") still working) 01:19:29 <|amethyst> anyway, I must be going now 01:19:37 <|amethyst> happy deicide 01:23:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:24:00 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:25:04 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:26:05 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:29:50 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:39 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:37 rip gozag 01:33:43 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:34:22 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36:34 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:36:54 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 01:38:32 -!- Surr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:38:49 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:39 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:45:14 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:47:13 -!- eb_ has quit [] 01:47:37 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 01:47:50 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:37 ripip 01:52:10 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:52:36 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! 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very important for slime-diving formicids :) 09:18:22 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:26:19 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:27:10 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:27:23 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27:49 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:10 -!- Surr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:30:21 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:11 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:36 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:06 -!- jaega1 has quit [Client Quit] 10:03:33 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:30 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:08:19 -!- shaletown has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:11:43 -!- PalythWork has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:15:00 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 10:19:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:23:56 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:24:27 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:46 -!- Mandragora has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:36:39 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:47 const int MAX_TRIES = 100; 230 // If twenty tries wasn't enough, it's never going to work. 10:39:47 if (tries >= MAX_TRIES) 10:39:48 break; 10:40:16 erg, messed up that formatting but you get the idea 10:42:04 oh, this is |amethyst's fault :P 10:43:43 that function could use a random_choose_weighted anyway 10:44:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 10:46:13 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:46:48 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:04 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:57:09 -!- moq_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59:53 is chei up2date 10:59:58 brown very ugly thing (08u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 78-120 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 2708(acid:7d3) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(72), 08acid | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1441 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 10:59:58 %??Very ugly thing 11:00:00 he is! 11:02:34 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:42 white very ugly thing (16u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 76-121 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 2712(cold:18-53) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(72), 02cold++ | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1441 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 11:02:42 %?? white very ugly thing 11:02:49 these things are crazy mad 11:05:06 you know what else is crazy 11:05:11 unknown monster: "White very ugly thing" 11:05:11 %??White very ugly thing 11:05:15 white very ugly thing (16u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 76-121 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 2712(cold:18-53) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(72), 02cold++ | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1441 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 11:05:15 %??white very ugly thing 11:05:25 it's case sensitive! 11:05:40 don't be so sensitive 11:05:40 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:05:59 good thing nobody uses proper grammar in irc 11:06:08 wheals: I hadn't decided about adding it to rod of destruction 11:06:14 was flip-flopping on the subject 11:06:18 the horror if capitalizing the first letter was necessary 11:06:34 spriggan baker (16i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 7 | HP: 15-34 | AC/EV: 1/18 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, 07vault | Res: 06magic(65) | XP: 218 | Sz: little | Int: high. 11:06:34 %??Spriggan baker 11:06:47 unknown monster: "White ugly thing" 11:06:47 %??White ugly thing 11:07:13 PleasingFungus, well, crystal bolt is there! 11:07:21 precedent for monster-only spells 11:07:30 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:31 more importantly, acid cloud is in rod of clouds 11:07:38 precedent for player access to acid through rods 11:07:41 if you don't add it, you should probably get rid of the zap_type 11:07:56 clearly add back spiny worm for rod of swarm 11:08:06 -!- Crauler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:08:09 Imagine the horror that would be someone writing properly on IRC. 11:08:13 That would be terrible! 11:08:20 don't forget vitriol card! 11:08:20 much like your posting...... 11:08:28 I did forget vitriol, actually. 11:08:42 rod of acidic destruction, makes a 3x3 acid explosion everywhere 11:08:51 and yellow draconian breath but seriously who actually uses that 11:09:06 acid bite........ 11:09:09 Yellow draconians 11:09:19 i was thinking of adding an acid ds mutation 11:09:59 When do we get acid spells 11:10:03 never 11:10:17 just play bcrawl 11:10:32 acid damage is just physical damage that doesn't work in slime 11:10:45 which isn't really interesting enough to support much of anything 11:11:09 obvious solution: add rAcid- to monsters at random 11:11:13 it also halves monster ac 11:11:18 for monsters with armour 11:11:21 iirc 11:11:36 but yeah I agree it's not a strong player mechanic 11:11:43 (which is one reason why acid damage spells for players are a bad idea) 11:11:56 i just want consistency for rod of is_beam 11:12:26 ... 11:12:30 that is a silly thing 11:12:55 note this will be a buff for rod of destruction 11:13:09 rod.is_beam = false; 11:13:56 beem.is_rod 11:14:54 Grunt.i_sgrunt = true; 11:15:07 !!! 11:15:53 -!- SamB__ is now known as SamB 11:20:25 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:26:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:13 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:16 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 11:34:46 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:18 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:41:15 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:13 -!- category has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:47:50 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:01 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:50:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:34 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:38 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:06:42 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:07:00 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:55 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:13 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:09:43 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:14:03 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 12:14:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2387-gbf02086 (34) 12:19:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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You die... 16:03:16 3 Cerebov comes into view. 16:04:24 -!- Astarotte has quit [Client Quit] 16:06:21 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:22 could go for a good grinder right now 16:07:46 crawl only has evil grinders 16:08:03 grinder isn't evil, just misunderstood 16:08:52 holy wrath does extra damage to misfits 16:10:32 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:41 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:07 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:10 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:16:50 the so called "good gods" are just like 16:16:50 huh 16:16:52 the cool kids 16:16:55 ??repulsiveness card 16:16:55 repulsiveness card[1/1]: summons ugly things or very ugly things, dependent on power 16:17:01 accidental nemelex buff 16:17:03 nice 16:17:04 grinder is a nerd so they hate him 16:17:21 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:18:14 <|amethyst> !tell wheals I don't know if random_choose_weighted would really improve anything there, because you'd have to write all the weights as player_will_anger_monster(MONS_BLAH) ? 0 : 1 16:18:14 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:18:15 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 16:18:46 <|amethyst> !tell wheals you could simplify that with a macro, but ugh 16:18:47 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 16:21:04 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2388-g9f833ab: Fix a comment (wheals) 10(24 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f833ab47f96 16:31:51 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:08 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:26 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:27 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 16:46:36 Trying to eat unedible walls as a Fo with extended mandibles doesn't consume time but retracts them. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 by dck 16:48:50 wtf 16:49:50 oh, I... sort of see. the bug is that you can accidentally end up retracting your mandibles by moving into the wrong wall without even using up a turn...? 16:51:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:54:34 Why is walking slow not special cased to give extra healing per aut? 16:54:42 sorry, why IS it* 16:54:52 to not give extra healing 16:55:07 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:56:18 <|amethyst> Because we haven't removed turns from the scoring formula yet 16:57:01 ? 16:57:24 <|amethyst> Actually 16:57:33 <|amethyst> I think I misunderstand your question 16:57:40 PleasingFungus: that's not really a bug since extending your mandibles is instant and free 16:57:40 Was the reasoning "We need to avert accidentally giving extra healing to nagas, chei, or both, while also preventing less healing for Ce, Sp, Te, Fe?" 16:57:56 oh 16:58:01 for some reason I thought it was costly 16:58:13 I guess I was assuming based on the fact that the bug was filed in the first place 16:58:14 <|amethyst> TS__: AIUI it's so that naga speedrunners aren't encouraged to walk back and forth rather than pressing 5 16:58:33 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 16:58:47 Oh it was actually done with that in mind? 16:58:57 no, capped healing when moving while slow is because nutrition usage is also capped when moving while slow 16:59:03 <|amethyst> oh 16:59:20 So you don't get extra healing:nutrition? 16:59:36 <|amethyst> why is nutrition usage capped when moving while slow? 17:00:05 to prevent chei worshippers starving or something, there are old commits with reasoning somewhere 17:00:07 So you don't get spammed with hunger messages as a Naga I imagine 17:00:15 doesn't chei specifically slow your metabolism 17:00:28 I know he does a bunch of weird hidden shit 17:00:30 I assumed chei slowed it such that you ate half as much 17:00:35 since you moved half as fast 17:00:40 that would make sense 17:00:41 !source misc.cc 17:00:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/misc.cc;hb=HEAD 17:00:52 !source effects.cc 17:00:53 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/effects.cc;hb=HEAD 17:00:59 15:00 +PleasingFungus | doesn't chei specifically slow your metabolism 17:01:01 yes 17:02:42 <|amethyst> still, it seems kind of weird that you would use more food while standing still than while walking 17:03:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03:53 well, for a spriggan right? Since you wait at 1.0 but move at 0.6 17:03:59 Or have I misunderstood 17:04:06 <|amethyst> TS__: No, I mean for a naga 17:04:32 well since it's capped you use the same right? 17:04:58 1 step at 1.4 vs. stand at 1.0 use the same amount since the cap is per turn 17:05:05 <|amethyst> right 17:05:14 <|amethyst> so you can walk five steps in 70 aut, or press . seven times in 70 aut 17:05:18 <|amethyst> and the latter takes more food 17:05:24 Oh, right 17:05:31 nagas are like sharks 17:05:36 they have to keep moving, or die...... 17:06:09 I was thinking per turn not per aut 17:06:18 which was how I got confused 17:06:31 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:07:54 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:55 Is aut scoring acutally going to be a thing in the future? 17:10:40 |amethyst: i wasn't even thinking of weighting for god friendliness (I thought weights of 0 don't work??), just making it more clear that two monsters have triple weight 17:11:27 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:28 <|amethyst> aha 17:11:54 also, i had no idea that you worked on computational genomics stuff, that's pretty cool 17:12:22 <|amethyst> wheals: and you're right, 0 doesn't work if you're using the varargs version 17:12:33 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 17:12:40 i had an internship at hopkins two years ago, though since i was an intern my job was "write bash scripts to run the programs" 17:13:38 <|amethyst> That's a significant part of what I do; also choosing the programs, maintaining databases, etc 17:14:13 we were looking at reverse-transcripted mRNA and trying to map it to the genome (non-trivial because of introns, of course) which i guess is the converse of trying to find genes based on the DNA 17:14:14 <|amethyst> Sometimes I write the programs, but usually there's something already published that works well enough 17:15:18 yeah, seems like it, pretty cool how it seems like a good number are open source 17:15:22 <|amethyst> wheals: we use Exonerate for that (if the mRNA is already assembled), or bowtie + cufflinks if we just have reads 17:15:52 yep, bowtie and cufflinks were what we were using (tophat too i think) 17:16:00 <|amethyst> oh, right, tophat 17:16:27 <|amethyst> tophat's the part that actually understands splicing 17:17:20 <|amethyst> !learn add |amethyst <+PleasingFungus> hey, sorry to break into gene-dev, but I have a small question 17:17:20 |amethyst[13/13]: <+PleasingFungus> hey, sorry to break into gene-dev, but I have a small question 17:17:54 todo: double helix vaults 17:18:12 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-2388-g9f833ab (34) 17:18:32 <|amethyst> An angel, a giant orange brain, an iron troll, and a stone giant come into view. 17:19:22 if the ending for random_choose_weighted were changed to -1 (as i think reaverb was trying to do) would weights of 0 work easily? or would more work be required? 17:19:27 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:28 s/iron troll/polar bear/ 17:19:42 :P 17:19:51 oh wait, those are h now 17:19:53 duh 17:20:31 U should clearly be uncannily/almost entirely ugly things 17:20:55 replace orb guardians with purple almost entirely ugly things 17:21:02 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:25:52 D:9 purple ugly thing. Surprisingly, it's listed as a nasty threat. Should I be scared? 17:26:08 <|amethyst> Lasty: would you have been scared of a very ugly thing before? 17:26:16 purple ugly thing (06u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 48-84 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 22 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 557 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 17:26:16 <|amethyst> %?? purple ugly thing 17:26:18 yes 17:26:21 purple very ugly thing (13u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 45-85 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1804(rot) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 04rot | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 803 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 17:26:21 <|amethyst> %0.14? purple very ugly thing 17:26:30 I see. 17:26:46 I think I'll let that one sleep 17:26:47 komodo dragon (04l) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 8 | HP: 28-59 | AC/EV: 7/8 | Dam: 3007(disease) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(32), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 313 | Sz: Large | Int: reptile. 17:26:47 %0.14?komodo dragon 17:26:52 huh 17:26:57 purple very ugly thing (13u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 76-121 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 36 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(72) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1441 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 17:26:57 %??purple very ugly thing 17:26:59 for some reason I thought old purple ugly things had plague, not rot 17:27:09 very ugly things had rot 17:27:16 ugly things had sickness 17:27:17 purple ugly thing (06u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 25-58 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 1307(disease) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32), 04rot | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 197 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 17:27:17 %0.14?purple ugly thing 17:27:20 yep 17:27:21 ahh 17:27:35 also I keep seeing people plowing through ugly things like they weren't even there and it makes me sad :( 17:27:37 imho nerf gargoyles 17:27:48 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:50 yes 17:27:54 stone arrow is too good 17:28:09 <|amethyst> not those gargoyles :P 17:28:25 The ones that can wield demon whips and have 70+ AC :D 17:28:37 well let people have their fun if they so wish 17:28:46 they could always roll a MuCK if they wanted it rough 17:31:56 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:35:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:42:41 It looks like the main change for the ugly things is that they're more willing to stand in fire . . . 17:43:03 how to nerf gargoyles: reduce their hp to -3 17:43:06 problem solved 17:43:21 !apt gr 17:43:22 Gr: Fighting: 1, Short: -1, Long: -1, Axes: -1, Maces: 0, Polearms: -1, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: 0, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 2, Shields: 1, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 1, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -2, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: -2, Earth: 2, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: -2, MP: 0 17:43:29 for some reason I thought it was already -3 17:45:05 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:45:34 Didn't gargs just get nerfed 17:45:58 and they've been nerfed several times since creation 17:46:13 they did, yes, which is why I am not seriously angling for a nerf 17:46:17 oh ok 17:46:30 just bitter about my beautiful ugly things being so callously murdered 17:46:42 strong 17:46:45 beautiful 17:46:48 ugly things 17:47:02 is the bot updated now? 17:47:06 for their damage and such 17:47:10 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-a0-2374-gaadabb3 17:47:10 <|amethyst> %??-version 17:47:12 <|amethyst> %git 17:47:12 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2388-g9f833ab: Fix a comment (wheals) 10(87 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f833ab47f96 17:47:15 $??ugly thing 17:47:19 purple ugly thing (06u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 46-82 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 22 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 555 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 17:47:19 %??ugly thing 17:47:26 Your beautiful ugly things may be dying of paradox 17:49:29 yeah rip 17:53:56 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:54:39 maybe purple uglies should get an extra auxiliary attack 17:55:07 <|amethyst> that would make them *less* effective against gargoyle players 17:55:18 and, in all likelihood, in general 17:55:24 though I guess it depends on the exact numbers 17:56:17 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:18 <|amethyst> maybe the +5 damage isn't enough to make up for not getting 7d3 or 12-23 or whatever 17:56:36 it's +9 on very ugly things!!! 17:56:52 (now) 17:57:10 specifically it's +33% 17:57:21 ...but yes, plausibly 17:57:23 hm 17:57:32 !lg * recent killer~~ugly s=killer 17:57:33 1660 games for * (recent killer~~ugly): 561x a white ugly thing, 333x a red ugly thing, 251x a cyan ugly thing, 213x a brown ugly thing, 100x a green ugly thing, 43x a white very ugly thing, 34x a purple ugly thing, 31x uglyjohn's ghost, 25x a brown very ugly thing, 21x a cyan very ugly thing, 16x a red very ugly thing, 15x a green very ugly thing, 12x a purple very ugly thing, 4x UglyThing's ghos... 17:57:43 i'm not saying remove their bonus damage 17:57:48 just give them yet another bonus :^) 17:58:00 <|amethyst> possibly that 17:58:15 green ugly things got buffed recently 17:58:22 !lg * recent killer~~ugly s=killer cv=0.15-a 17:58:23 621 games for * (recent killer~~ugly cv=0.15-a): 213x a white ugly thing, 128x a red ugly thing, 91x a brown ugly thing, 87x a cyan ugly thing, 32x a green ugly thing, 16x a purple ugly thing, 15x a white very ugly thing, 14x uglyjohn's ghost, 6x a red very ugly thing, 6x a brown very ugly thing, 5x a purple very ugly thing, 4x a cyan very ugly thing, 3x a green very ugly thing, a cyan ugly thing ... 17:58:26 since rpois 17:58:45 purples are still at the rock bottom 17:59:12 welllll 17:59:13 clearly they should just be spectral uglies then :^) 17:59:24 ignoring half your AC because haha spectral warriors 17:59:27 purple very ugly things seem more effective than ugly things 17:59:42 how big are the packs anyhow 17:59:44 and ugly things just got upgraded to v ugly 17:59:49 !source mon-place.cc 17:59:50 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc;hb=HEAD 18:00:05 3-6 18:01:28 I'm gonna let ugly things sit for a little while. 18:01:50 no sense making more changes while the impact from the first ones is still settling. 18:02:07 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:39 well the more delicious change is that they pack some exp with them now 18:03:47 I am also worried about that 18:03:49 should run objstat 18:19:19 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:21:42 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 18:28:53 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:31:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:01 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:42 Is there a key to show which items on a level can't be reached with autoexplore? If not, can we create one? I hate getting that "you can't reach some items" message when I have no idea what I can't reach 18:36:02 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:37:53 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:38:31 likewise places, especially in lair 18:41:57 PleasingFungus: I'm seeing lots of solo ugly things between d9 and d12 18:42:06 PleasingFungus: none of them have been the slightest challenge 18:44:40 are you postlair 18:46:12 tbh I'm not worried about pre-d:13 ugly things being insufficiently dangerous; they've already killed several people even in the day since the buff 18:46:24 it's the vaults/depths that I'm worried about 18:46:52 -!- rophy has quit [Client Quit] 18:47:01 do very uglies still come with plain uglies 18:47:14 or do you actually get to fight six of them now 18:47:16 a mix of plain & very ugly iirc 18:47:44 25% very ugly below absdepth 21 18:47:53 !source branch-data.h 18:47:54 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/branch-data.h;hb=HEAD 18:48:21 aka depths and vaults 4-5 18:49:30 because if they're still "not the slightest challenge" then clearly making uglies move at speed 12/13 and in slightly bigger packs should make them more threatening 18:50:02 (because haha retreating to corridors) 18:50:26 the bigger packs is probably a bit ogrekill in that case 18:50:31 [16:01] no sense making more changes while the impact from the first ones is still settling. 18:50:37 yes 18:51:20 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:53:04 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Using leafChat 2] 18:54:20 PleasingFungus: It was mostly pre-lair 18:54:34 What combo? 18:54:39 HeGl 18:54:43 ^veh 18:54:55 not exactly a powerhouse 18:54:58 hm 18:55:16 ??philosophers 18:55:16 philosophers[1/1]: friedrich nietzchei, ludwig wittgenchein, georg wilhelm friedrich HEGl, soren kikugaard and nicolo macheivelli, arthur chepinhauer, SpEnoza 18:55:33 !lg * killer~~ugly 18:55:34 3516. bigpimpin the Hoplite (L10 MiFi of Trog), slain by a white ugly thing on D:11 on 2014-08-01 21:04:44, with 7672 points after 11960 turns and 0:21:32. 18:55:40 rip 18:56:03 I see what you did there 18:57:50 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:50 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:59:57 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:01:37 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140529030207]] 19:01:48 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 19:03:32 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:23 -!- Kramin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:46 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:07 -!- jjpalen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:14:34 -!- Sakura86 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:17:42 -!- serious has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:33 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:01 Melee weapon tiles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 by roctavian 19:19:12 _done_ 19:20:20 Woah that's rad 19:20:21 >no shiny bigass axes for cutting bigass shiny guts 19:20:23 ;_; 19:23:45 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:27:13 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:59 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:15 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:34 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:40:36 john LOCKe 19:40:53 roctavian: have i ever told you that you're my heeero 19:40:54 LOCKe and DEMothenes 19:41:05 LOCKe and DEMosthenes 19:41:58 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:42:15 ontoclasm: my pleasure. btw, did you ever see those spider tiles i put up? it happened right before some server outage so you may have missed them 19:42:53 yeah, i saw them, i just haven't gotten around to putting them in 19:43:02 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 19:43:16 actually, there was one 19:43:27 what was your thought on the jumping spider? that's the questionable one i think 19:43:38 yeah, that's the one 19:43:44 it's a real spider 19:43:50 it looks a bit small to me; jumping spiders hit pretty hard 19:44:05 maybe just make the legs a bit longer 19:44:13 http://www.indigorenderer.com/sites/default/files/images/spidy_5407spx_02.jpg 19:44:20 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8711 19:44:25 adorable 19:44:38 man almost every spider is cute 19:44:51 i feel bad for arachnophobes 19:44:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsGvT2DYJMc 19:45:50 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:52 So many tile-wranglers in around right now . . . anyone feel like taking a pass at a Ru altar? :D 19:46:35