00:00:16 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00:24 there was an issue with lugonu's corruption -- maybe similar behavior with the abyss is happening 00:00:58 Yes I have comments on that issue :D 00:01:05 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:01:10 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:01:24 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 00:02:50 Sovek (L23 MiBe) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 3090 failed. (Abyss:3) 00:06:57 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2324-gf0d8333 (34) 00:10:18 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-28-july-2014 new wordpress post is done, let me know what I fucked up :) 00:10:33 Does anybody have an offhand link to how to make a save back-up online? Sovek has that bug and I can't find a guide and I don't know how to do it off the top of my head. 00:10:36 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:10:45 you need to be in console 00:10:52 if this is the thing I'm thinking of? 00:10:58 iirc it's in advanced options there 00:11:00 PleasingFungus: It is. 00:11:17 * reaverb doesn't remeber how to access servers in console off the top of his head either.... 00:11:43 Also "To drive from Tripoli, Libya to Kano, Nigeria, would require traveling roughly the same distance as a trip from Barcelona, Spain to Moscow, Russia." is this intentional? 00:11:49 read the first sentence :) 00:11:54 of the post 00:11:58 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:12:07 Oh, hmm. 00:12:46 nrook was trying to persuade me to add fake changes to the post ('added "mario, bane of turtles"), but I resisted the temptation 00:16:25 Galomier (L18 OpFE) (Abyss:1) 00:16:48 When did these abyss problems start again? It might be easier just to revert those changes.... 00:20:42 -!- Zero is now known as Guest79577 00:21:07 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:23:42 @The monster@ says, "I bet you can make some really great dragon armour out of_gold." 00:23:54 i wonder which monster that could be 00:24:12 -!- Guest79577 has quit [Client Quit] 00:26:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:27:20 Donald giving you tips on how to splat non-Chei characters 00:28:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:05 johnny0, Bloax: the joke is that you can't make any dragon armour out of gold at all 00:29:11 because you're a gozagite 00:29:13 and all the dragons you kill turn into gold instead of hides :) 00:29:22 haha 00:29:39 you can tell it's a funny joke because I had to explain it! 00:30:39 well it would have been obvious the moment you said it was a gozag-specific line 00:31:16 hm 00:31:17 " Speaking of sprint, it isn't possible to worship Gozag in some of them (at least Ziggurat Sprint) due to the lack of gold, maybe set the fee to automatically be waived in them? 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Because I got other Donald messages just fine 00:32:35 oh 00:32:42 it actually printed that? 00:32:44 hm 00:32:45 yes 00:33:02 ah ha 00:33:04 missing an underscore 00:34:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2325-g732757c: Add missing underscores to speech lines (johnny0) 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=732757c6ba3a 00:34:19 Abyssal shifts into walls 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8837 by Sovek 00:36:01 hm. how on earth do I generate a randart spellbook? 00:36:39 ah, 'randbook' 00:39:46 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:40:07 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:40:47 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:40:54 <|amethyst> hm 00:41:29 <|amethyst> 8837 is probably my fault 00:41:39 rip 00:41:50 <|amethyst> %git c233d03 00:41:50 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2308-gc233d03: Don't veto when failing to connect Abyss vaults 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 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clan down[1/1]: do {!isonline clan} 08:22:45 !learn add is_clan_down[2 Emergency maintenance happening now - additional backups are being made. Disk checks have shown a single bad block. 08:22:46 is clan down[2/2]: Emergency maintenance happening now - additional backups are being made. 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ZZZzzz…] 08:56:24 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:16 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:59:02 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:59:18 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:01:13 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:05 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:03:37 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:03:48 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:05:08 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 09:14:51 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13194 09:14:54 could someone pin this? 09:17:01 Thanks. 09:18:46 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:19:32 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:21:19 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:27 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ is now known as Twiggy 09:21:32 -!- Twiggy is now known as Twiggytwiggytwig 09:21:34 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:22:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:22:40 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10:59:49 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:00:42 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:01:35 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:02:17 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:47 so wait, a pro-strat would be to use a rod of invisibility of a mermaid or siren who has mesmerized you? :D 11:05:18 or pre-emptively use it before you're mesmerized.. 11:05:25 <|amethyst> TZer0: yes to the second 11:05:32 hurr. 11:06:47 <|amethyst> not to the first, because 1. invis mermaids can prolong mesm 2. the frequency change in that most recent commit is part of already_mesmerised || !you.can_see(mons) so if you're already mesmerised the frequency doesn't change 11:07:21 <|amethyst> that is, already-mesmerising mermaids already had the frequency reduction 11:08:22 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:41 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:09:19 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus shouldn't that be 60% vs 20% ? 11:09:19 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:09:32 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:10:43 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 11:10:49 wait a minute.. I just read the Refused and Rejected Concepts List 11:10:54 and this: Beneficial effects from chunks. 11:10:56 is in the game. 11:11:01 (Ghouls) 11:11:19 I mean, stashing monsters isn't exactly possible 11:11:23 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:11:23 but still.. 11:12:22 <|amethyst> Ghouls avoid that problem because they get more or less the same beneficial effect from every chunk 11:12:49 Maybe that point should be renamed to 11:12:53 <|amethyst> that's like saying that "reduces hunger" is a beneficial effect 11:12:55 "Beneficial effects from special chunks" 11:13:34 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:55 that's not what it means by 'beneficial effects', it means like... giving resists 11:14:55 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:15:13 basically everything about crawl's design philosophy can be prefaced with "unlike in nethack, " 11:15:32 <|amethyst> FR: holy chunks heal everybody 11:16:12 would make that conduct almost meaningful 11:16:34 <|amethyst> but, yeah, the "stashing monsters" objection assumes we're talking about long-term benefits, not tactical effects 11:17:23 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:17:54 |amethyst: that code block is kind of strange to me, but how do you get 60%? !one_chance_in(5) is 80%, yes? 11:18:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: 80% chance * 1/2 = 40% chance of doing nothing 11:18:48 <|amethyst> or, rather, of not using the ability (behaviour code keeps going) 11:18:49 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:18:59 oh, I see 11:19:01 ugh 11:19:13 I wonder if there's a way to write that conditional that isn't terrible 11:19:43 <|amethyst> const bool infreq = mons->foe != MHITYOU || already_mesmerised || !you.can_see(mons); 11:20:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:20:25 <|amethyst> if (!x_chance_in_y(infreq ? 1 : 3, 5)) return false; 11:20:32 -!- read has quit [Quit: off to whistler] 11:21:05 <|amethyst> Not sure whether I'd prefer that second line or if (x_chance_in_y(infreq ? 4 : 2, 5)) return false; 11:21:21 mm. infreq isn't a great variable name 11:21:29 <|amethyst> probably not 11:21:32 possibly I'd invert it to "tryhard" 11:21:37 "sing_a_lot" 11:22:23 also !x_chance_in_y does seem silly 11:23:21 <|amethyst> const bool can_start_mesmerizing = mons->foe == MHITYOU && !already_mesmerised && you.can_see(mons); 11:23:42 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:58 <|amethyst> if (x_chance_in_y(can_start_mesmerizing ? 2 : 4, 5)) return false 11:24:38 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 11:24:47 <|amethyst> or, perhaps, make it more clear with decimal_chance? 11:25:05 <|amethyst> if (decimal_chance(can_start_mesmerizing ? 0.40 : 0.80)) 11:25:41 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:44 <|amethyst> I guess it's probably better to use the rational chance functions where possible 11:26:53 a little bit clearer 11:26:59 yes 11:27:06 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27:16 <|amethyst> I suppose if people like percentages could use x_chance_in_y(can_start_mesmerizing ? 20 : 40, 100) 11:27:38 <|amethyst> s/could/one &/ 11:27:53 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:31:07 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:31:09 <|amethyst> Also, the more I think about it, the less I'm convinced that abyss stuck-in-the-wall crash was caused by 0.15-a0-2307-gba99023 11:34:03 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:34:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:08 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:08 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:24 <|amethyst> Though I think at some point it should be removed, after we make sure that vault-placement code only ever throws a veto when a level is being generated 11:36:37 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:54 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:37:18 <|amethyst> a map_load_exception is one thing (and is handled by dgn_safe_place_map), but veto means 'redo the whole level' and that doesn't make sense if the level was already there 11:37:38 <|amethyst> s/make sure/ensure/ 11:38:49 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 11:38:56 <|amethyst> Hm 11:40:42 <|amethyst> Grunt: shoudl that connection check run for encompass mode at all? 11:41:36 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:41:59 <|amethyst> Grunt: I was thinking about putting it inside the if block after "// If the map takes..." 11:42:49 <|amethyst> It also seems like that run_postplace_hook maybe shouldn't run if build_only but I'm not sure about that 11:43:13 <|amethyst> not really clear on how build_only is used 11:44:31 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:45:42 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49:22 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:36 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:23 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:04 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:58 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:01:32 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:00 -!- jefkin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:07:59 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:god_of_drama 12:08:10 this is my favorite god suggestion I've seen so far. 12:08:30 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:49 ??is_clan_down 12:10:50 1 days, 15 hours, 19 minutes, 59 seconds since last activity (clan) 12:10:57 !learn help 12:10:57 I don't know about !learn help. 12:10:59 !learn 12:10:59 I don't get what you mean.. 12:11:02 !help learn 12:11:02 !learn: Learndb. Syntax: !learn query item; !learn (add|del) item text; !learn edit item[num] s/replace-this/with-this/; !learn swap a b; !learn mv a b 12:11:04 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:11:13 <|amethyst> !learn q is_clan_down 12:11:13 is clan down[1/3]: do {!isonline clan} 12:11:18 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2331-g4dcdddd (34) 12:11:23 !learn swap is_clan_down[1] is_clan_down[2] 12:11:24 Swapped is_clan_down[1] with is_clan_down[2]. 12:11:29 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:29 ??is_clan_down 12:11:29 is clan down[1/3]: Emergency maintenance happening now - additional backups are being made. Disk checks have shown a single bad block. 12:11:32 ??is_clan_down[3 12:11:33 is clan down[3/3]: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13194 12:11:36 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:57 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:12:26 !learn swap is_clan_down[2] is_clan_down[3] 12:12:26 Swapped is_clan_down[2] with is_clan_down[3]. 12:13:47 -!- tholmes has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:14:55 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:14:58 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:17:42 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:43 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:51 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:22:09 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:24:42 -!- Goncyn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:26:02 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:26:21 uh 12:26:33 is it intentional that you can disarm traps with BH if you're confused? 12:27:03 hahaha 12:27:05 that's amazing :D 12:27:21 do I add it to mantis or secret_techs 12:27:32 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27:41 "I'm so confused that I can't be trusted to walk near deep water, lava or allies.. but disarming complex traps? That ain't a problem!" 12:28:29 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:12 -!- tolly has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:29:53 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:31:49 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:01 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:12 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 12:41:56 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:08 -!- halv has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:47:00 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:03 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:47 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:32 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:02:12 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:52 -!- stumpsv has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05:03 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:05:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:22 -!- Blakmane has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:09:08 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:04 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:12:26 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:42 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:13:15 -!- Wolfram_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:16:41 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:19:20 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:19:56 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:03 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:22:30 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:23 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:26:49 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:40 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:12 !tell reaverb you got rid of random carni/herbi but kept random slow/fast digestion; was this intentional? level 3 of the latter (perhaps from wretched stars) is more noticeable i think; also carni 1 means you can swap vamp w/o permafood 13:34:12 wheals: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 13:34:25 !tell reaverb s/latter/former/ 13:34:26 wheals: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 13:35:06 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:36:01 how do i read a monster's current hp and force it to cast a spell/use a specific ability in wizmode? 13:37:02 xD for the former, not sure if the second ones are possible 13:37:25 hmm i think ive found a bug but i want to reproduce it 13:37:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:06 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:44 i can force it to shout or speak 13:38:48 wonderful 13:38:57 FR: add KFEAT: 1 = ) to crypt_curse_skull 13:40:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:28 yeah this is definatley a bug 13:41:36 gonna have to figure out how to fix this 13:41:36 what is it? 13:42:45 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:13 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:43:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:30 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:52 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:22 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:51:46 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 13:52:54 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:07 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:57:09 -!- tholmes has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:43 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:28 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:02:20 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 14:02:59 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:25 -!- Goncyn_ is now known as Goncyn 14:03:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:03:43 The helpless hobgoblin fails to defend itself. You bite the hobgoblin, and draw its blood! You feel much better. You feel slightly less thirsty. You carve the hobgoblin like a ham!!! You kill the hobgoblin! Unlinked item held by dead monster: trident item #16: base: 0; sub: 24; plus: 0; plus2: 0; special: 0 quant: 1; colour: 4; ident: 0x20000000; ident_type: 0 x: -2; y: -2; link: 27012 Unlinked item held by dead monster: ri 14:06:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:06:25 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:23 hm, looks like i broke the magic mapping display 14:10:35 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12:21 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:12:27 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 14:12:48 nice 14:13:07 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:14 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:17:05 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:54 fuck i cant believe theres no way to force a monster to cast a spell 14:18:10 i cant believe that either 14:20:25 -!- whiskers75 is now known as whsks 14:20:27 -!- whsks is now known as whsk 14:20:48 -!- whsk is now known as whiskers75 14:21:39 PleasingFungus, you should watch me on cbro 14:23:16 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:18 dang, powerful combo 14:24:36 did you miss tiamat :( 14:24:49 I did 14:24:50 was it excite 14:24:52 i went up an unexplored stair to rest 14:25:19 !killratio tiamat 14:25:27 tiamat wins 3.837% of battles. 14:25:27 though after i panicked it turned out she was the blue d that wasn't next to me, so i survived 14:25:28 haha 14:25:32 well youre doing a dgwn-run 14:25:34 console unreasons............. 14:25:42 tiles reasons, another tiles reason is this bug i added 14:25:48 ? 14:26:10 mapped sqaures look the same as unmapped sqaures (they shouldn't) 14:26:17 o 14:26:21 imho fix that 14:26:39 though i can't remember how they're supposed to differ, i guess i can start a wizmode game in 0.14 14:27:08 was there a change to mapping recently 14:27:19 there was a change to features code recently 14:27:35 ah, they are ,s and *s 14:27:52 TZer0: this drama goddess is really interesting, yeah. reminds me of no-stairdancing-god in some respects. 14:27:54 might poach some stuff. 14:29:54 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:30:21 yeah i enjoy doing aggressive branch orders even without being specifically rewarded for it 14:31:25 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:43 <|amethyst> I usually go straight for S:5 once I enter the branch, even though it's often lethal to me :P 14:31:58 i do that sometimes 14:32:00 <|amethyst> for four values of S 14:32:21 imho 5 14:33:03 if someone decides to make that goddess 14:33:07 we'll need a casino-vault 14:33:07 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:23 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:40 containing Gozag, Nemelex and Riefe. 14:33:42 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:42 fr: socytus, to confuse people who talk about 'S' more 14:33:52 Magic mapped offscreen spaces same as seen ones 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 by wheals 14:35:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140529030207]] 14:37:08 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38:43 where is the AI logic for monster behavior as it pertains to deciding to cast a spell or attack? 14:38:46 hm, maybe blood sacrifices should be redone tithe-style.. 14:41:10 <|amethyst> Naruni: _do_mon_spell and handle_monster_move 14:41:46 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:42:44 <|amethyst> err, you'd probably want to follow _do_mon_spell -> handle_mon_spell 14:43:39 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:35 |amethyst: ive found a bug i need to report but im just ensuring reproducability, but i have to force a monster to cast a spell 14:47:50 which is turning out to be a total pain :) 14:48:15 <|amethyst> what spell? 14:48:31 <|amethyst> you could start by making a monster with six copies of the spell :) 14:48:59 word of recall 14:49:18 <|amethyst> Naruni: check _should_recall 14:49:32 yeah i was just about to get hacky into forcing it to cast 14:49:38 <|amethyst> for that one you need at least three recallable monsters, and it helps to have no nearby monsters 14:50:10 <|amethyst> and recall requires normal intelligence 14:50:35 <|amethyst> on the recallee I mean 14:51:13 i think ill try commenting out the if logic to make it think its ok to recall anytime 14:51:26 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:35 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 14:52:35 static bool _should_recall(monster* caller) { return true; } 14:52:37 lol done 14:53:42 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:52 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:15 -!- pantaril_ is now known as pantaril 15:00:49 eidolon (07W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 55-91 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 2713(drain speed), 1705(drain dexterity) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(138), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1141 | Sp: melee, b.draining (3d21), cause fear | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:00:49 %??eidolon 15:00:53 eidolon (15W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 54-90 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 2713(drain speed), 1705(drain strength) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(138), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1141 | Sp: melee, b.draining (3d21), cause fear | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:00:53 %?eidolon 15:01:24 |amethyst, it seems monster doesn't understand AF_DRAIN_STAT and assumes it's one of the three other stat draining AFs 15:01:29 <|amethyst> eidolon_wayward_sun 15:02:11 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:03:49 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:50 eidolon (07W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 55-91 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 2713(drain speed), 1702(drain stat) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(138), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1141 | Sp: melee, b.draining (3d21), cause fear | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:04:50 <|amethyst> %??eidolon 15:04:53 <|amethyst> You lie! 15:05:12 :o 15:05:18 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:05:29 excellent 15:05:36 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:05:42 <|amethyst> (I didn't fix monster-0.14) 15:06:03 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:06:08 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 15:07:08 -!- Cannonbait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:10:09 ok so is word of recall supposed to make a monster immune to taking damage from standing in a cloud? 15:10:26 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:10:50 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:13:56 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:26 -!- Cannonbait__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:16:05 <|amethyst> no, but it won't recall it into a cloud I think 15:16:13 <|amethyst> because of find_habitable_spot_near 15:16:14 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:31 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:16:35 so i just got fucked on CAO because of this, and testing it offline confirms. 15:16:47 now mantis wont let me report it :/ 15:17:00 "invalid security token" wtf is that 15:17:06 <|amethyst> wrong password? 15:17:15 <|amethyst> or it took too long to enter 15:17:32 <|amethyst> I think I've gotten that when I had the report page open too long 15:17:56 <|amethyst> I guess the session expires 15:18:55 can you grab the savefile for me in case it's needed? 15:19:09 its not a crash so i dont think it's needed right? 15:19:11 <|amethyst> do you not have ssh? 15:19:15 <|amethyst> you can do that yourself 15:19:20 <|amethyst> it could be helpful 15:19:25 ive got ssh 15:19:37 ??cao 15:19:37 cao[1/2]: Crawl server, located in Tucson, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 15:19:41 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:00 <|amethyst> connect via ssh, then (T)runk -> (A)dvanced -> (B)ackup -> (N)ormal and copy the URL 15:21:32 permission denied... 15:21:38 le sigh 15:22:22 <|amethyst> you can't download it yourself 15:22:37 <|amethyst> or did the backup page say that? 15:22:44 no im stupid 15:22:49 joshua joshua 15:22:54 forgot about that :) 15:22:56 <|amethyst> oh, yeah 15:23:00 <|amethyst> or 15:23:02 <|amethyst> ??cao key 15:23:02 cao key[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/cao_key or http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key 15:23:05 <|amethyst> ??cao key[2] 15:23:05 cao key[2/2]: 'chmod 600 cao_key' to fix the 'permissions' error 15:23:14 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:23:15 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 15:23:47 where would you start tracking that down? ive been looking at mon-ench.cc and cloud.cc but no luck yet 15:23:47 that's a good bug 15:24:09 both of those seem like obvious places, yes. perhaps grep ENCH_WORD_OF_RECALL or w/e it's called? 15:24:10 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:17 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:24:42 Word of Recall damage immunity 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 by Naruni 15:27:03 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:27:44 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 15:29:23 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:29:41 oh i suppose #8838 is due to referring to Options.char_table not working during the static initialization of feat_defs 15:30:37 i guess the way to fix it would be adding FFTs for the features with the special magic_symbols and setting them in _create_symbols 15:31:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:16 of course, it's a little weird that there'd be two fields that are always the same in the definitions 15:34:03 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset 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in the feature_def instead and use a lookup function instead of referring to it directly 15:57:56 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 15:58:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:48 <|amethyst> !tell wheals probably at some point we should split off the parts of feature_def used in that table from the parts used when stored in other data structures 15:58:49 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 15:59:04 <|amethyst> !tell wheals in particular, I see that symbol is always 0 in feature-data.h 15:59:04 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 16:00:33 fr: tellstorm 16:02:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:04:33 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:14 -!- mrpandy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:53 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:23 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:38 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:45 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24:47 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-1, Staves: -1, Slings: 1, Bows: -3, Xbows: 1, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 3, Shields: 1, UC: -1, Splcast: -2, Conj: -1, Hexes: -2, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: 1, Tloc: 1, Tmut: -1, Fire: -1, Ice: -1, Air: -3, Earth: 3!, Poison: -2, Inv: 3!, Evo: 4!, Exp: -1, HP: 2, MP: 0 17:30:02 -!- CacoS has quit [] 17:34:25 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:35:45 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:25 !apt Lightli 17:36:26 Could not understand "lightli" 17:36:30 1learn add 17:39:53 -!- Deckard_Pain has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:42:51 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:49 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:49:51 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:17 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:51 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 17:54:29 !apt md 17:54:29 Could not understand "md" 17:54:38 !wtf md 17:54:38 Mountain Dwarf* 17:55:01 !wtf ueup 17:55:01 Unemployed Unperson 17:55:18 er, that would be upue, i guess 17:55:49 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:52 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:58:32 !wtf Zannick 17:58:32 Unemployed Unperson 17:59:53 rip 18:00:23 i do not exist 18:00:23 !wtf PleasingFungus 18:00:24 Unemployed Unperson 18:00:37 ...and on the other hand, 18:00:40 !wtf Grunt 18:00:40 Unemployed Gargoyle 18:00:47 1learn add Grunt 18:01:12 !wtf Sequell 18:01:12 Unemployed Sludge Elf* 18:01:18 rip 18:01:23 dang 18:01:25 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:25 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:04:18 !wtf kramin 18:04:18 Unperson Arcane Marksman 18:05:56 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:30 btw I'm going to pitch this question again: 18:06:35 What will 0.15's codename be?? 18:06:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:33 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 18:07:59 I suggest "Storm Over Zot" as a starting point <_< 18:08:20 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:48 Perhaps bh has ideas, bad as though they might be. 18:08:49 >_> 18:09:03 What now? 18:09:22 0.15's codename! 18:09:30 I just suggested "Storm Over Zot" as a starting point. 18:09:51 It should be 15 words long, duh. 18:09:57 0.15, 15 words, 15 runes 18:10:05 !send bh 27 18:10:05 Sending 27 to bh. 18:10:06 15, 15, 15, three! 3^3 = 27 18:10:25 storm over zot is not immediately terrible 18:10:37 3 x 5 = 8, x is the 24th letter in the alphabet 18:10:41 8 + 2 + 4 = 14 18:10:43 !send bh unseen horrors 18:10:43 Sending unseen horrors to bh. 18:10:44 that's one less than 15 18:11:01 And that's terrible. 18:11:08 ...wait, that punchline doesn't work here :b 18:11:16 eh it works 18:11:33 I'm gonna pitch that we should decide what we're doing with gozag for 0.15 18:11:38 since that seems to be the last big 0.15 question 18:11:42 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:44 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:11:55 There's a growing sentiment that we should disable Gozag for 0.15. 18:12:33 0.15: Gozag's Gone 18:12:51 in what universe does 3 x 5 = 8 18:13:04 one where you define 'x' as the integer addition operator 18:13:20 I don't want to live there 18:13:22 Kramin: have you ever seen someone rambling about Biblecode? 18:13:41 about what? 18:14:11 crazy numerology nonsense. 18:14:18 right 18:14:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:14:46 yeah where they draw numerical connections seemingly from nowhere 18:14:57 bh: imho you need to consider that there are four days occurring simultaneously, and furthermore, 18:15:14 PleasingFungus: true story, I got e-mail from Gene Ray 18:15:16 Grunt: yeah that was the impression I got as well 18:15:17 MUST REPENT OF DAy- 18:15:18 !send PleasingFungus cubic time 18:15:19 Sending cubic time to PleasingFungus. 18:15:19 bh: !!!! 18:15:24 -NIGHT DUALITY EVIL 18:16:01 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:31 so: turn gozag trunk-only (with powerful new trunk-only-god functionality), and then schedule a release for...? 18:16:37 late aug? 18:17:08 PleasingFungus: this was before he got really popular. I wrote to him explaining that his website was incoherent and asking for some clarifications 18:17:22 heh. how'd that go? 18:17:42 His reply was no more comprehensible than his website. 18:18:07 rip 18:18:39 nixe 18:18:42 nice even 18:22:40 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25:46 -!- Rarn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 18:26:08 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:32 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 18:30:37 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:02 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:44 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:48 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:49 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:36:16 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:01 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:44:30 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:06 regarding a release date, trunk seemed pretty prone to crash in my last few games 18:45:31 which is not optimal 18:45:50 I suggest especially testing local tiles a bit more 18:46:22 late august is probably fine though 18:46:25 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:48 yes, that is the sort of thing that we would be doing during a feature freeze, which is what I was trying to propose 18:46:50 :) 18:47:00 * Grunt freezes PleasingFungus! 18:47:21 well, new ranged still needs balancing, but that should be fine to do during feature freeze 18:47:29 i,i FreezingFungus 18:47:36 dang 18:47:36 !!! 18:47:38 not that I used new ranged, but it's new 18:48:30 yeah that's one of my projects 18:48:42 slings seem to be fine, crossbows might (?) be a little too strong, no idea re bows 18:48:45 need more data........ 18:49:14 I really like 0.15 so far though, not having to worry about item destruction and weight is such a relief 18:49:24 alefury: it's as if 18:49:26 !glasses 18:49:27 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 18:49:28 a great weight 18:49:30 has been lifted 18:49:32 from your shoulders 18:49:35 !!!!!! 18:49:37 <3 18:49:39 was gonna make that joke :( 18:49:41 too slow 18:49:44 PleasingFungus: hi... 18:49:50 Ω 18:50:28 α 18:51:09 more like crawl's code!!!!! 18:51:25 dang 18:51:29 @crawlcode 18:51:30 ??? 18:52:02 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:52:49 -!- Mandragora has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54:17 .... 18:54:33 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:59 !messages 18:55:59 (1/2) wheals said (5h 21m 48s ago): you got rid of random carni/herbi but kept random slow/fast digestion; was this intentional? level 3 of the latter (perhaps from wretched stars) is more noticeable i think; also carni 1 means you can swap vamp w/o permafood 18:56:01 !messages 18:56:01 (1/1) wheals said (5h 21m 35s ago): s/latter/former/ 18:56:58 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:23 !tell wheals I've been meaning to remove random slow/fast meta, Thanks for reminding me. 18:58:24 reaverb: OK, I'll let wheals know. 18:58:45 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-2332-g08613ce: Remove fast/slow metabolism mutations from random generation (wheals) 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 12+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=08613ce6a090 19:06:49 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:07 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:10:08 good 2-week-old commit 19:10:33 -!- Deckard_Pain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:10:40 I guess that means he was 19:10:41 !glasses 19:10:42 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 19:10:44 too weak to commit it 19:10:52 -!- jefkin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:11:45 I had some partial work, then I squashed some new work I just did (the save compatability) into it. 19:11:59 (You squash the commit like an ant!!!) 19:12:33 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:13:36 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:57 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:55 hm. was considering adding a spell with weird targeting. target a creature (default self), damage a ring around it but not the creature itself 19:22:12 might be a good mechanic for CONTAMINATION BOMB 19:22:23 Contaimination bomb? like plutonains? 19:22:50 level 6 conj/tmut 19:23:12 Irradiate 19:23:15 mmmm 19:23:17 yes 19:24:40 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:43 it might be better if it only ever targeted self (exploded directly around the caster) - more mechanically tmut (melee) supporting, more thematically bound to the 'cause glow on caster' mechanic 19:25:12 PleasingFungus: I think it would definitely better if it only targeted self. 19:25:14 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:45 maybe I'll keep that mechanic around and use it for something else, then 19:26:00 I know it's fun because it's basically like LRD, and LRD is fun 19:26:31 ("that mechanic" = "explosion around but not on target creature") 19:26:44 Why would you ever cast irradiate 19:26:52 conj/tmut have no synergy 19:27:03 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:14 Like I can just haste instead if I want to get glow 19:27:18 probably to explode your enemies, imho 19:27:24 TS__: That's just a matter of balancing the numbers. 19:27:35 Level 6 is too high then 19:27:41 If the spell did 100000000 damage to each creature it would definitely be worth it. 19:27:45 ha 19:28:02 I think there is a number between 0 and 100000000 where it is interesting. 19:28:08 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:46 it's a reasonable objection that there isn't currently much tmut/cj synergy, though necromut is a thing 19:28:49 technically speaking 19:28:56 Necromut is also 2 levels too high 19:29:02 necromut is a strange spell. 19:29:12 How 19:30:27 level 5 would be like fireball, which is nice, and would avoid competing quite as directly with invis/haste 19:30:31 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:30:32 ice form should give an ice enhancer 19:30:35 which is a competition that's hard to win 19:31:07 then conjurations + ice form would be (!glasses) really cool 19:31:42 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:44 Well 19:32:00 if you take it at level 5 early on it's again at a point where investing in Tmuts on a conjurer might be relevant 19:32:03 over something else 19:32:15 just to cast 1 spell 19:32:18 so it better be good 19:32:41 vs. fireball is natural on the progression of the "fire tree" 19:33:02 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:33:18 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:34:34 fire trees sound terrifying 19:34:42 If you take irradiate late, it's probably just winning more 19:34:52 so might be cute to cast but you'd probably like something better out of a level 5 19:37:21 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:52 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:40:01 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:41:14 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:43:04 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:29 keep in mind ofc that it wouldn't be in a starting book 19:43:50 * Grunt throws the book at PleasingFungus. 19:44:49 * PleasingFungus throws up! 19:45:02 The up completely misses Grunt. 19:46:05 The up hits himself!!!! 19:46:20 Ouch! That really hurt! 19:47:09 you die... 19:47:09 Save macros? 19:47:17 N 19:47:21 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:41 rip 19:48:02 wow this is fucked up 19:48:33 Naruni: ? 19:48:56 for some reason actor_apply_cloud thinks the cell that ironbrand convoker is occupying while reciting word of recall is... EMPTY 19:49:19 so the apply cloud stops there. ironbrand convoker is immune 19:51:51 i wasnt expecting that :) 19:51:51 nice 19:51:51 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:51 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:51 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 19:51:51 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:54 Naruni: I'm sure the ultimate source of that bug with be very @crawlcode worthy. 19:57:29 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:35 -!- happychan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:57:42 imho someone should find it 19:57:48 (the source of the bug) 19:57:59 uh, im trying 19:58:11 may be beyond my capabilities though 19:58:21 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:59:19 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:59:34 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:00:18 Naruni: Might want to check the commit which added word of recall. 20:00:48 %git 8cd97b124a43309d022 20:00:48 07DracoOmega02 * 0.12-a0-2458-g8cd97b1: Add Ironbrand Convokers 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 13 files, 162+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cd97b124a43 20:01:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:01:54 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:18 ahaha I know what it is. I know what the bug is 20:02:28 cloud int is 27000? 20:02:41 monsters are only damaged by clouds on their turn (this is the same as is true of players) 20:02:49 and ironbrand convokers don't take turns while convoking 20:02:58 they're just waiting for the spell to go off 20:02:59 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:02:59 ah 20:03:08 mons->speed_increment -= 30; 20:03:11 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:39 So would the convokers take full damage after the spell ends? 20:04:04 or when they begin casting? 20:04:38 PleasingFungus: yeah i see it now 20:05:10 reaverb: presumably 20:05:27 so maybe i can throw a bool in there to proceed if actor has ENCH_WORD_OF_RECALL 20:07:22 Naruni: That sounds like a major hack, it would be probably be better to make either A) Fix the speed/turns/clouds interaction (unlikely) B) Make monsters casting word of recall take turns while they do it (probably better) 20:07:35 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:42 (As an example, does/should shadow step work with monsters casting word of recall?) 20:08:19 PleasingFungus: Do you understand what the crawl code comment //555666421 means? 20:08:28 reaverb: absolutely not 20:08:38 I assume it has something to do with spell level distribution in randbooks 20:08:45 Hmm, I should git blame it. 20:08:58 anyway tbh the current cloud/damage behavior is mostly good 20:09:01 I read that comment as: 20:09:04 since it makes it not hilariously strong vs e.g. slow enemies 20:09:07 spells level 1-3 have weight 5; 20:09:10 spells level 4-6 have weight 6; 20:09:18 spell levels 7, 8, 9 have weights 4, 2, 1 respectively 20:09:21 Grunt: plausible. imho write that instead!!! 20:09:32 (after double-checking to see if it's actually true) 20:09:41 hm 20:10:02 Actually, I have it backwards. 20:10:09 .... 20:10:19 That's the number of spells you get in a randbook of the corresponding spell level. 20:10:26 So it's not weight, but numer of spells. 20:11:23 ahh 20:11:33 that's a little odd 20:11:34 %git f2220e5e989 20:11:34 07elliptic02 * 0.10-a0-3025-gf2220e5: Fix errors when trying to generate a randart level 8 book (Mantis 5144). 10(2 years, 7 months ago, 5 files, 17+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2220e5e989c 20:11:37 Added that comment. 20:12:03 ah, yep, reasonably clear in the commit message 20:12:40 So is/does anybody else want to clairfy that comment? 20:13:10 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-2333-g9cedde5: Improve a comment (PleasingFungus). 10(78 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cedde55d9b5 20:13:18 ...way ahead of you. 20:13:21 -!- musclewitch has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:13:29 Grunt: Thanks! 20:13:48 Grunt seems to speed up! 20:14:05 * Grunt hits you! Grunt hits you! Grunt hits you!!!!!! Ouch! That really hurt! You die... 20:14:14 shredded 20:14:55 like confetti 20:15:20 todo: add verb_degrees for "You shred it!!!!" 20:15:28 like tissue paper!!! 20:15:31 like confetti!!! 20:15:37 imho VERY anachronistic 20:15:41 (like an incriminating document!!!) 20:16:17 PleasingFungus: you can already shred the broad axe of distortion; hard to beat that for anachronisms!! 20:17:06 You shred it like John Romero shredded the imagitive world of Carmack!!!!! 20:17:18 dang 20:17:20 (why do you think he wants the daikatana so much) 20:17:23 hm 20:17:29 these are some sick decade-old burns 20:17:31 imho 20:17:35 ...more like two decades, at this point 20:17:52 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:12 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:20:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:51 Hmm, the little footprints which show where you autotravelledIn webtiles are placed on a layer above monsters. 20:22:01 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:48 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:23:58 reaverb: hehehe 20:27:57 -!- Kyle873 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:58 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:31:46 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:35:02 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:38:00 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:33 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 20:43:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:46:09 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:07 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:15 maybe ammo brands shouldn't exist? ranged combat is super good already and ranged launchers do exist anyway 20:48:22 *branded launchers 20:48:48 and branded ammo just means the whole "stack velocity/speed and branded ammo" powerup 20:49:20 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:49:26 you mean aside from needles, yes? 20:49:39 and throwing weapons 20:49:40 needles are "I don't even care anymore" tier 20:49:44 also that 20:49:47 so just bullets/bolts/arrows 20:50:08 I mean the branded things that are branded like weapon brands basically yes 20:50:25 mm. would you keep e.g. dispersal arrows? 20:50:25 the ones that are just more damage on top of already huge damage 20:50:35 probably? these do their own special thing 20:50:50 deep elf master archers packing dispersal arrows 20:50:52 which is not replicable from a launcher 20:50:55 fun for the whole family 20:51:20 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:51:40 I wouldn't mind dispersal ammo being removed but I am not particularly against it either 20:52:10 not sure how I feel about steel ammo tbh 20:52:21 it's the worst offender in terms of being 'just better', surely? 20:52:27 does steel still exist 20:52:30 yes 20:52:35 it still has 1/10th mulch 20:52:37 and +dam 20:52:47 so now it's just superior ammo with no drawbacks 20:52:59 yep 20:53:02 wow 20:53:08 quite strong 20:53:10 tell me that's an oversight 20:53:13 -!- blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:53:38 because when I said I'm not sure how I feel about steel ammo I had forgot about the whole no weight thing for a second 20:53:42 ha 20:54:07 the thing is that other ammo brands are better now too 20:54:11 it's superior ammo if you can find it 20:54:16 since they work like melee brands 20:54:19 also, what bloax said 20:54:23 Well a polearm of freezing is always better than a same enchant polearm of no brand, correct? 20:54:37 yes but triple crossbows of freezing do exist 20:54:38 right? 20:54:40 yep 20:54:54 and there are no vorpal bardiches of freezing 20:54:59 (out of the countless, countless yaktaur corpses that i looted i only managed to get about 30 steel bolts) 20:55:04 (i had 1.3k bolts) 20:55:23 that's more like 300 bolts considering mulch rates, though 20:55:26 executioner's axe of speed of freezing 20:55:29 if you think about it... 20:55:49 300 vorpal bolts 20:55:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:19 Hmm, other brands of ammo are probably always better than normal ammo too (except dispersal) 20:56:21 but hey 20:56:32 at least we're not back to <=0.10 20:56:42 where ammo has enchantment levels! 20:56:49 hooray for nonstacking ammo! 20:57:36 Didn't ammo also have the racial property at some point? 20:57:42 yes 20:57:50 man 20:57:52 here: 7 +2 orcish bolts 20:57:59 this game sure has been dumped down for the console crowd huh 20:58:04 p much 20:58:15 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:18 all these FILTHY casuals RUINING our game 20:58:32 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 20:58:39 remember, fighter mage cleric rogue 20:58:45 it has to be done 20:59:04 As the handsomest member of the dev team, I will volunteer to be the 'rogue'. 20:59:20 I am clearly the mage 20:59:22 the black mage 20:59:27 for I work black magic 20:59:32 and kill players 20:59:36 I've the reaver <_< >_> 20:59:48 !wtf re 20:59:48 Reaver* 21:00:00 sorry. removed :( 21:00:03 rip 21:00:30 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:00:45 Grunt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY67ezlrOwU 21:01:03 slightly relevant 21:03:01 (especially the torment part) 21:08:24 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:07 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:13:13 -!- giantbat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:51 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:13 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:14:32 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 21:17:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:18:21 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:29 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:12 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:19 -!- nooodl has quit [Client Quit] 21:20:26 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:20:36 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:42 Grunt: IMO hangedman already named 0.15 21:20:52 DCSS 0.15: Inevitable Mass Removal 21:21:02 * Grunt removes wheals. 21:21:14 ...did anyone hear anything just now? 21:21:56 are you guys releasing already? too soon :) 21:22:03 i guess i will just have to use the name for my tourney team 21:22:09 s/guys/inhuman dev robots/ 21:22:31 Man on Wheals 21:22:35 Well, there's one last thing I think will happen before we can really branch properly. 21:22:47 i think the most optimistic estimate is end of aug 21:22:51 To wit, there's a sentiment to disable Gozag before we advance in that direction. 21:22:52 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:23:00 (for the release, not for trunk) 21:23:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:13 oh! re gods, i wish nemelex had a better piety system 21:23:29 oh gods 21:23:29 ah good, I just don't want the tournament to be in midaugust :) 21:23:40 also I want Ru in but that's very optimistic 21:24:05 rchandra, i think amethyst kind of wanted that so the t started being before school starts for many 21:24:10 but it seem 21:24:14 s unlikely 21:26:12 the idea i had for N piety was piety for seeing items, which would be somewhere in the middle between explore piety and corpse sac (and all-item sac) 21:26:36 i haven't really tried much new nemelex though, but it just felt weird to have autoexplore interrupted to get a deck 21:28:05 not that this is a block for release, of course 21:28:45 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:55 dang 21:28:57 if Ru made 0.15 21:28:58 we could call it 21:29:03 "Necessary Sacrifices" 21:29:17 Even wheals can appreciate that one...... 21:29:19 maybe i should stick a huge list of nem piety ideas on the devwiki 21:29:38 * wheals invokes Sacrifice Water Monsters. 21:29:42 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:02 Your big fish disappears in a puff of logic! 21:30:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:42 -!- MrPeeps has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:34:11 Grunt: That might be good for 0.16 too. 21:34:54 Although yes 0.16 will probably be less about removal than 0.15. 21:38:03 0.23 will be about obscurity 21:38:08 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:45 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:26 0.24 will be about world domination through subliminal messaging 21:44:26 ??0.23 21:44:27 I don't have a page labeled 0.23 in my learndb. 21:44:37 ??0.27 21:44:42 I don't have a page labeled 0.27 in my learndb. 21:46:55 I guess there's no good way to put that into the learndb, it's a minmay post only visible in the search results 21:47:15 search minmay posts for "future" and find "Crawl 0.23" 21:47:53 AC: existent Str: moderate EV: considerable Int: quite fast etc. 21:48:26 Oh yes I really liked that post, maybe somebody could copy the post and repost it on the thread? 21:48:57 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:53 done :) 21:53:25 -!- qweweqwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53:35 rchandra: Ha. 21:54:52 Dex: choko 21:56:35 Could add a choko species to Roderic's list. 21:57:37 his EV is considerable so maybe chokos are quite dextrous? 21:58:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:59:04 -!- Kyle873__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:25 The EV probably got adjusted for no skills Crawl. 21:59:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:47 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:56 1learn add 0.16 plans Fun removed. 22:00:02 (about time!) 22:00:09 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:00:16 1learn add Fun 22:00:17 maybe I should update my todo at some point 22:00:34 it's kind of sadly out of date 22:00:35 -!- Kyle873__ is now known as Kyle873 22:01:08 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:09 ??PleasingFungus[todo 22:01:10 I don't have a page labeled PleasingFungus[todo in my learndb. 22:01:10 ??PleasingFungus[todo 22:01:10 I don't have a page labeled PleasingFungus[todo in my learndb. 22:01:19 mind reading 22:01:22 !learn edit pleasingfungus[3 s/\.\.\./, update todo&/ 22:01:22 pleasingfungus[3/8]: short-term: reduce chunks to an undifferentiated, meaty slurry, fix ranged combat, bring lethal infusion back from the dead. later: moss removal, ORB ghosts, strategic items, new uniques? return of diamond obelisk? more slugs??? no-backtracking god, update todo& and remove fun. 22:01:26 er 22:01:34 well I mean 22:01:35 PleasingFungus: meat slurry is more relevant then every though. 22:01:38 I'm gonna update it anyway... 22:01:39 !learn edit pleasingfungus[3 s/\& and/... and/ 22:01:40 pleasingfungus[3/8]: short-term: reduce chunks to an undifferentiated, meaty slurry, fix ranged combat, bring lethal infusion back from the dead. later: moss removal, ORB ghosts, strategic items, new uniques? return of diamond obelisk? more slugs??? no-backtracking god, update todo... and remove fun. 22:01:42 1learn add fun ^qyes 22:01:43 reaverb: it's so buggy :( 22:01:46 meat slurry 22:01:53 I tried to do too much in one go and it backfired on me :( 22:03:20 Pleasingfungus: Yes, its hard to tell how much you can handle at once. 22:03:57 -!- Kyle873_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:04:15 more specifically it was too much in one... commit? I have a bad habit of trying to combine refactoring & functionality changes 22:04:17 ah well 22:04:19 I'll revive it at some point 22:04:21 and boulder form 22:04:23 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:10 PleasingFungus: so you're saying you're going to 22:05:12 !glasses 22:05:13 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:05:15 get things rollings again 22:05:20 Heh, I've gotten into the "Just one more thing in this commit" cycle. 22:05:29 Just... one... more... commit... 22:05:43 btw I'm gonna be 22:05:45 !glasses 22:05:45 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:05:46 removing stuff tonight 22:05:59 if someone steps on my toes I'm gonna be really mad!!! 22:06:04 I mean not really I guess 22:06:06 but a little bit 22:07:55 PleasingFungus: what are you removing? 22:08:01 fun 22:08:08 obviously 22:08:36 here's a title: Slaves to Zot: Orb of Power: Chapter XIV: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup: Histories of weight and destruction 22:08:37 obv 22:08:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140529030207]] 22:08:51 Kramin: ha 22:10:21 chapter XV, surely 22:10:43 oh, yeah 22:11:02 0.15: Ok, we've stopped making new species 22:11:59 0.16: Ok, we've stopped making new gods 22:12:00 0.53: Ok, we've stopped removing things 22:12:16 Heh. 22:27:26 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:58 -!- Cannonbait_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:20 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:36:05 I guess I should get working on this acid bolt thing if I want it to be in before the feature freeze I keep arguing for 22:37:08 Heh 22:37:46 I am legion; I contain multitudes. 22:38:50 let the multitudes do the bug fixing while you make features then 22:38:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:39:21 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:36 I'm no slacker!!! 22:39:39 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:39:40 I'll do EVERYTHING AT ONCE. 22:40:02 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:08 Pleasingfungus: Hmm, acid bolt? 22:43:13 Player or monster? 22:43:39 monster 22:43:47 not player, god no 22:43:52 Oh yes, to deep elf death mages etc. 22:43:55 PleasingFungus: you monster 22:43:58 sorcerers 22:44:13 also probably one or two other monsters 22:47:23 acid magic imo. etching spray, caustic blast, acid storm, etc 22:47:41 !send bcrawl Kramin 22:47:41 Sending Kramin to bcrawl. 22:48:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:49:41 is there a flavour of ugly thing with acid? 22:49:45 brown 22:49:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:56 all ugly things are weak though (in vaults/depths (where most of them spawn)) 22:50:05 I was trying to fix that but I was spooked by ghost demons 22:50:05 yeah, you never notice it 22:50:29 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 64-103 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2756 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, sum.greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), 04esc:teleport self / b.draining (3d27), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d27), sum.greater demon, 04esc:banishment / mystic blast (3d24), b.cold (3d29), invisibility, animate dead, o.destruction (9d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:50:29 %??lich 22:50:33 red ugly thing (05u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 29-57 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 1104(fire:8-15) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32), 05fire, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 22:50:33 %??ugly thing 22:50:37 red very ugly thing (04u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 49-86 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1804(napalm) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 05fire++, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 803 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 22:50:37 %??very ugly thing 22:51:14 ??deep troll 22:51:15 deep troll[1/1]: Slightly tougher than normal trolls, but weaker than iron trolls. It appears alone earlier in the dungeon, but later on you get packs of them including {deep troll shaman}s and {deep troll earth mage}s. 22:51:18 deep troll (08T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-70 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 20, 20 | 10doors, sense invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 725 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 22:51:18 %??deep troll 22:52:20 ugly things could be buffed a bit and very ugly things made more common later 22:52:52 my basic thought was turning ugly things into very ugly things and very ugly things into extremely ugly things 22:53:04 yeah 22:53:04 PleasingFungus: I've been nearly killed by prelair ugly things more than once, remember they do show up there now 22:53:05 but code is too hard.......... 22:53:12 rchandra: yes I did not forget about that! 22:53:21 I was thinking about either shifting them later, or, better, making them not band at lower depths 22:53:27 like d:1 gnolls 22:53:33 yeah that would be neat 22:54:36 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:45 -!- korzok has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:00:27 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:22 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:04:33 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:28 ugly things' gimmick besides the elemental thing and pack thing is that they're faster than speed 10 23:07:33 (when moving) 23:07:55 true 23:08:12 were you going somewhere with that? 23:08:37 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:44 just that it's a niche that deserves to be filled by -something-. nothing else to say beyond that 23:08:54 ok 23:08:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:14 there are plenty of fast monsters (Vampire mosquitos, ravens, etc.) 23:09:21 Are monster tengu fast? 23:09:26 unknown monster: "tengu revaer" 23:09:26 %??tengu revaer 23:09:27 tengu reaver (13Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 17 | HP: 66-106 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 27, 11, 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(68) | XP: 2058 | Sp: b.lightning (3d22), battlesphere, freezing cloud (2d27) / b.magma (3d26), battlesphere, fireball (3d27) / b.venom (3d21), battlesphere, poisonous cloud (3d11) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 23:09:27 %??tengu reaver 23:09:31 yes 23:09:33 Yes. 23:09:33 wow I never knew that 23:09:34 tengu warrior (10Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 10 | HP: 46-74 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 16, 8, 8 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, lev | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 869 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 23:09:34 %??tengu warrior 23:09:43 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:43 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:09:59 why does no one tell me things like 'tengu monsters are faster than you' 23:10:04 If I created a file for string manipulation functions, would it be "string.cc" or "stringmanip.cc"? 23:10:14 or a better name 23:10:37 is of course already a thing; it does feel slightly odd to also have "string.h"... 23:11:45 PleasingFungus: I don't like string.cc because of clashing with standard library. 23:11:48 stuff.h 23:11:49 imo 23:11:53 >:( 23:11:53 or maybe 23:11:54 misc.h 23:12:01 !banish Grunt 23:12:01 PleasingFungus casts a spell. Grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:12:12 clearly "stringify.cc" 23:12:13 !banish !banish 23:12:14 Grunt casts a spell. !banish is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:12:15 crawl_strings.cc 23:12:30 it's already in crawl/crawl-ref.... 23:12:35 imho 'crawl' is implied :) 23:13:09 mm. gonna go with 'strings' 23:13:11 shit.cc 23:13:14 (I do think crawl_stings.cc would be better than strings.cc because of the clashing issue) 23:14:58 orc knight (10o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 48-90 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(36) | XP: 618 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 23:14:58 %??orc knight 23:15:01 tengu warrior (10Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 10 | HP: 46-74 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 16, 8, 8 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, lev | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 869 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 23:15:01 %??tengu warrior 23:15:12 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:16 PleasingFungus: message-stream.cc already exists and is only a few characters short of string_manipulation.cc 23:15:36 oh, I'm not worried about length, just having a good name 23:16:02 Well then I would recommend string_manipulation.cc :D 23:16:11 mm 23:16:20 someone else can rename it, I just wasted 5 minutes bikeshedding 23:16:20 str.cc 23:16:24 !! 23:16:27 powerful 23:16:34 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:38 (Seems odd to suggest "stringmanip.cc" when you don't care about length <_< >_>) 23:17:41 Oh, and I just found "windowmanager-sdl.cc" which is longer than "string-manipulation.cc" 23:18:29 why do you keep comparing character length 23:19:32 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:33 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:56 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:50 I made one comparision, and then I found a file longer than "string-manipulation.cc" and felt I should mention it for completeness. 23:21:24 fair enough. 23:23:02 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:26 -!- korzok has quit [Client Quit] 23:26:57 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:38 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:28:37 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:01 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:47 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:13 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:28 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:34:22 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:37:50 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:38 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 23:41:24 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:30 -!- wya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:44 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:56 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:46 -!- Shome has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 23:42:53 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:46:03 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:19 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:49 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:47:53 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:17 reaverb: teach me your voodoo. how do I do multiple-file find/replace with vim 23:48:45 PleasingFungus: I use the argslist. 23:49:22 what is that 23:49:29 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 23:50:47 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:20 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:52:52 PleasingFungus: See here and the next episode for a start: http://vimcasts.org/episodes/meet-the-arglist/ 23:52:52 or just :help arg 23:52:59 aight 23:53:01 currently poking at sed 23:53:13 PleasingFungus: Yes, sed works too. 23:55:20 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:18 If you just want the specific commands I use ":arga *.cc *.h" "argdo! %s/foo/bar/ge | update" should be enough to get started. 23:56:24 err, :argdo! 23:57:34 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:59:26 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:33 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]