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13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=04414b5cf1b8 02:19:47 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2190-g04414b5 (34) 02:27:27 -!- category has quit [Client Quit] 02:29:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:41:42 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:05 -!- category has quit [Client Quit] 02:56:02 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:58:41 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00:09 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:22 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18:27 -!- ebarrett_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:22 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:21:13 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:24:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:01 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:02 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:25:25 -!- nrook has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:57 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:23 -!- simmarine has quit 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I hadn't heard about rod of swarm and sack of spiders not being marked useless. I'll add that too. 08:56:53 Lasty: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 08:59:05 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:01:20 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 09:02:23 -!- xen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:09:35 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:11:10 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:27 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 09:11:57 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:23 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24:49 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:26:36 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:15 -!- warrigal2 is now known as tswett 09:34:53 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:48:49 -!- ark is now known as Guest13449 09:56:50 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:53 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:03:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:04 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:09:49 -!- Guest13449 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:11:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:25 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2191-g7231536: Don't hang when Yredites cast Shadow Creatures in holy_pan 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72315362ba48 10:41:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:47:50 !crash . 10:47:51 1. gammafunk, XL16 OpTm, T:50276 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/crash-gammafunk-20121220-215213.txt 10:48:51 I had wierd V:5 on cszo where my input seemed to freeze, so I assumed it was my wireless or my general internet, but when I reconnected shortly after the freeze, there was no warning about a process 10:49:02 and the game continued from when I entered the level, like there had been a crash 10:49:11 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:49:15 I should say, the game restarted as when I'd entered V:5 10:51:07 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:56 <|amethyst> hm 10:54:06 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/crash-recursive-gammafunk-20140721-125620.txt 10:54:11 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:12 aha 10:54:14 <|amethyst> a recursive crash with no parent crash? 10:54:56 from game_is_zotdef() no less? 10:55:24 at the time I was letting shadow creature spam kill a yaktaur pak 10:55:32 but I can't recall anything out of the ordinary 10:58:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:58:54 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:10 -!- _pandy has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:01:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:28 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:04:00 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:32 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:03 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:08:48 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 11:10:37 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 11:11:45 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:25 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-2192-g0d957f3: Shadow demon (Bloax) 10(40 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d957f34ef25 11:12:27 Weird power caps for some spells 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 by crate 11:14:44 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:31 n.b. re 8813: corona has a ton of special cases re: its spellpower 11:18:14 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:18:18 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:18:47 -!- SamB__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:11 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:21 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:23 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:22:28 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23:22 -!- LexAckson has quit [Client Quit] 11:23:28 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:31:00 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2193-g309c75d: Mark an arrival vault no-rtele (#8428) 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=309c75daecf6 11:48:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:47 !messages 11:48:47 (1/1) Kramin said (17h 46m 13s ago): Sorry, didn't know that existed, I'll use it from now on. 11:49:01 1tell wheals hi 11:49:27 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:49 !tell gammafunk !tell wheals hi 11:53:49 Bloaxor: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 11:54:43 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:57:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:57:30 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:33 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:52 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:58 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:47 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:14 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:00:35 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:55 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:13 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:34 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:46 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: AtomicIRC: The nuclear option.] 12:13:30 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:46 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2193-g309c75d (34) 12:13:56 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:14:36 -!- Beast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:37 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 12:15:19 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:07 -!- gareppa has quit [Client Quit] 12:32:16 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:26 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:01 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:53 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:03 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:10 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 12:40:43 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:51:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:54:09 -!- Utis has quit [Client Quit] 12:54:12 -!- Utis` has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:55:06 -!- SamB__ is now known as SamB 12:55:54 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:43 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:57 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:05:03 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:33 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:13 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:37 Btw, as a deep dwarf in trunk, sirens don't actually do any form of attack at all 13:11:42 no drowned souls or anything 13:13:43 I take it back -- the third siren I've run across is doing something 13:14:52 as a deep dwarf? 13:15:18 Speaking as a deep dwarf... 13:15:27 are DD immune to mesmerize or something 13:15:38 they might have good MR? 13:15:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:43 ??mr 13:15:43 magic resistance[1/5]: Magic resistance is your or a monster's ability to ignore hostile enchantments or some other magic. Player MR comes from XL, Trog's Hand, and items. The most important hostile monster enchantments are confuse, slow, deep elf sorcerer/wizard/ogre mage/Erolcha/Louise banishment, lich/orc sorcerer/great orb of eyes/sphinx paralysis. 13:15:49 oh, that checks mr? 13:16:00 gammafunk: no, I was mesmerized. I said as a deep dwarf because I wasn't sure if it was race specific 13:16:14 Lasty: well mesmerize is definitely doing something 13:16:31 True, though with no monsters around it just let me stand around and pummel it 13:16:33 they can't melee I think because of their AI 13:16:37 Right 13:16:43 But they're supposed to summon drowned souls 13:16:56 was any other hostile in LOS 13:16:58 and the first two or three I ran across summoned no drowned souls 13:16:59 no 13:16:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:11 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:12 well they pretty much are always a non-ignorable threat for me 13:17:16 The last one I ran into behaved normally, so it's probably a coincidence 13:17:26 but there may be some bug in how the drowned souls triggers 13:17:46 usually they're all to happy to start making those things 13:17:58 yeah, agreed 13:18:17 In one no-soul case, there was only one tile of deep water in view. Do they need deep water? 13:19:06 yes, they do 13:20:44 looking at the code, even one tile in their LOS should be enough to make one, though 13:21:07 That tile was empty, so I would assume that it should have been able 13:22:59 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:48 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:23 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:33 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:32:22 No messages for TZer0. 13:32:54 * TZer0 wonders what Grunt will do about this one. 13:34:25 -!- ballsystemlord has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:24 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:35:30 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 13:36:44 !tell TZer0 you know you can just /msg Sequell, right 13:36:44 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 13:39:57 Hello I'm new here and I desire to know why the following things are not in crawl (ie. are they not coded yet or unwanted or what?) 13:40:15 1. Why does a potion, when thrown, not break and cause an effect upon all creatures in the vicinity? 13:40:25 Pizza tornado? 13:40:51 2. I love ugly things, as a result I bath them in mutagenic energies regularly, but they never cease there hostilities and become my friends. 13:40:57 !tell PleasingFungus I generally just say !messages in here because.. uhh.. well.. I don't know. 13:40:57 TZer0: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:40:57 TZer0: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 13:40:59 !messages 13:40:59 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (4m 15s ago): you know you can just /msg Sequell, right 13:41:05 2. I love ugly things, as a result I bath them in mutagenic energies regularly, but they never cease there hostilities and become my friends. 13:41:27 3. When I cause noise, normally by reading a scroll of noise, all the creatures tend to decide I'm too noisy and that I should be silenced, permanently, yet, when I slice into a creature, and it screams out in pain, non of the other creatures in the level attempt to silence it. 13:41:33 also, Grunt tends to send me a message whenever I do it, which is why *I* said "No messages for TZer0." 13:41:37 to check for reactions :P 13:41:55 4. Why does a book, when burnt, not create a (temporary,) cloud of smoke? 13:42:10 5. Why is my creature never nourished by meat of an unusual variety? For instance mutagenic, after all meat is meat no matter what effect it may have on you. 13:42:18 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:21 6. Why is there no spell of floating, such that I can cause my back pack to become lighter thereby allowing me to carry more? 13:42:27 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:27 ballsystemlord: what if you can't digest said meat? 13:42:41 poisonous meat still nourishes you 13:42:45 what are you talking about 13:42:48 ballsystemlord: weight is no longer a factor in the game. 13:42:51 also what silence 13:42:51 humm, that does pose a problem. 13:42:54 It was removed not that long ago. 13:43:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:43:29 the only restriction applied currently to the PCs backpack is no corpses and 52 items max. 13:43:51 the level is normally quite, that way creatures can sleep. 13:44:15 -!- Mad_Wack_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:44:39 monsters don't sleep these days either :^) 13:44:43 ballsystemlord: 3. dungeon crawlers don't have to make sense. 13:44:44 sure they do! 13:44:50 oh right 13:45:04 ballsystemlord: why are wolfs and sheep fighting side by side against you? No idea. 13:45:04 they won't take a nap once they know you're around 13:45:05 that was it 13:45:11 vigilance! 13:45:14 fr monster infighting 13:45:37 Why are orcs cool with elves? No idea. 13:45:41 discord is fun, but it's just not the same... 13:45:46 TZer0: they have diplomatic missions! 13:45:47 Why is everyone hating the PC? Because fuck the PC. 13:45:47 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 13:45:57 Why not take a nap, after all I'm not deadly unless provoked normally. 13:46:07 you might not be 13:46:11 The only exception might be HO of Beogh and Evy-followers. 13:46:17 but everyone else kills on sight 13:46:23 ballsystemlord: 2. same reason 13:46:32 ballsystemlord: 4. go submit to mantis as a feature request? 13:46:54 it's possible to give silly in-universe explanations for everything, but the actual explanation is "because that's the game design"; in-universe reasons are secondary. 13:47:00 ballsystemlord: 1. uhhh.. well.. someone else take this one? 13:47:01 also, mantis isn't for feature requests, I hear. 13:47:09 oh 13:47:16 uhhh. where do we sent that then? 13:47:20 the forums 13:47:22 or here 13:47:37 I'm all for ballsystemlord 4th point. 13:47:40 because why not? 13:47:42 (the correct explanation re potions is clearly because you have you have to drink them, not just splatter them all over your skin 13:47:45 it isn't as if that can be abused. 13:48:00 PleasingFungus: which is why we need a potion of acid. 13:48:01 PleasingFungus: potions of decay 13:48:02 :D 13:48:12 Bloaxzorro: what about them? 13:48:18 they're potions of acid 13:48:25 Are they? 13:48:47 let's pretend they are 13:48:55 please give me fulsome destillation while at it? :D 13:48:58 Whenever you're confused about why something happens, the orb of zot did it. 13:49:06 Lasty: haha. 13:49:17 they have the same effect the acid corpses have for all i can imaginee 13:49:20 "A vile and putrid cursed liquid" 13:49:27 it's a spooky curse........ 13:49:29 except you can't eat those since forever so who cares 13:49:39 You are deathly spooked! 13:49:43 PleasingFungus: I don't think a vile and putrid liquid would care if you ingest it or get it on your skin 13:49:54 I would seriously like to see potions as throwables. 13:50:02 (without any means to get more) 13:50:10 nah 13:50:13 -!- truemonolith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:50:21 (with the possibility of monsters picking up potions and throwing them at the PC) 13:50:35 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:40 imho go play nethack :) 13:50:45 it isn't as if it is going to be super-useful past the midgame? 13:50:55 ok, so 2 and 3 are not in the spirit of crawl? 5 is stupid idea. 4 makes sense but has not yet been implemented. and 6 is not an issue anymore? 13:51:36 ballsystemlord: 5 is more misunderstood 13:51:44 poisonous meat will heal you if you have rPois. 13:51:56 no it doesn't 13:51:57 .............. 13:52:01 crap 13:52:03 nourish 13:52:05 sorry! 13:52:09 haha 13:52:16 I was thinking about ghouls because I was about to mention them. 13:52:17 it'll heal you if you're a ghoul alright 13:52:22 but so does acid meat 13:52:23 Exactly. 13:52:25 -!- ebarrett_ has quit [] 13:52:38 ghouls can eat any meat and get benefits. 13:52:46 OK, I have a few more. 13:52:48 7. Why are there so few memorization slots (a wizard needs lots of spells, if not to fight creatures, then to add variety?) 13:52:55 learn more spellcasting! 13:53:02 the skill, I mean. 13:53:03 ^pretty much. 13:53:07 it gives you more slots. 13:53:13 I'm at level 14! 13:53:16 and levling up gives more slots. 13:53:20 ballsystemlord: give us a char dump. 13:53:22 >P 13:53:24 :P 13:53:45 (if you're playing online, hit # and give us the link which appears in chat) 13:54:24 also, some wizards have it harder than others 13:54:38 It'll have to wait, my save is on another computer. (oops) 13:54:45 oh, nevermind then. 13:54:51 8. Why is there no spell of knowledge, such a spell would be most useful for fighting intelligent creatures because it would tell you all the things in their inventory, what you could do to cause them to cease there hostilities, what armor they are wearing, etc. 13:54:54 But yeah: two solutions, level up and/or get spellcasting. 13:55:00 ballsystemlord: how many spells do you think you should be able to memorize at the same time? 13:55:21 ballsystemlord: 8. not in the spirit of crawl. 13:55:36 haw about 12? 13:55:41 sorry how 13:55:42 ballsystemlord: there are certain effects which can pacify threats 13:56:03 ballsystemlord: Some of these "why aren't there" questions seem like they should be phrased as "I had this idea, what do you think?" 13:56:03 you can't make creatures cease hostilities 13:56:03 but there are not that many permanent pacifiers. 13:56:20 elyvilon makes them neutral but not truly non-hostile 13:56:22 Bloaxzorro: temporarily, yes. 13:56:30 enslavement works, yes 13:56:38 OK, what do you think about more, and different, plants? 13:56:39 but other than that there's only enslave soul 13:56:40 Bloaxzorro: or you can convert them. 13:56:53 Carnivorous plants? 13:56:59 Plants with good effects, such as healing? Or plants which can be chopped into something useful? 13:57:04 or... you can bribe them 13:57:08 do i smell brogue 13:57:20 Plants that can transplant themselves? 13:57:32 Plants that change shape or size? 13:57:43 Creepers (that creep across a level eating everything of course?) 13:57:56 How about spells for summoning plants? 13:58:03 ballsystemlord: we have jellies which do eat stuff. 13:58:07 Including doors. 13:58:19 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58:26 I'm thinkin.g veriety here 13:58:44 Plants that are all root? Pop out of the ground to consume what is above? 13:58:58 why 13:59:18 that sounds something which is instakill-ish 13:59:32 -!- oneeyedjack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:59:44 because, I like variety :) 13:59:50 Plants that are air weeds, ie they are always floating above ground? 14:00:17 Why aren't there teeth? Equippable teeth that you can equip to eat different kinds of items. 14:00:31 Why aren't there trains? Sometimes it's nice to go places fsat. 14:01:03 Lasty: no need to be sarcastic when someone is complaining about enemy variaty in my opinion. 14:01:23 There are different design philosophies, crawl has gone the minimalistic route. 14:01:35 You already have teeth, for instance the hungry money. 14:01:54 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:21 However, I would seriously want to see more sub-branch variations. 14:02:57 but I bet making a new kind of branch variation takes a lot of effort. 14:03:09 TZer0: The point I was trying to make is that the right question isn't "why aren't there" so much as "why should there be" 14:03:15 the problem is that crawl already has more than enough boring enemies 14:03:18 It's grabbing the stick by the wrong end 14:03:48 I agree 14:04:05 Lasty: sure, but you can just tell someone that instead. 14:04:12 Well, I did above 14:04:24 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:28 ah, right, you did 14:04:45 sorry, I was too focused on the ceasing hostilities-bit. 14:05:58 for instance, I wouldn't mind of the orcish mines were interchangable with a halfling-village. 14:06:23 I was thinking of how small the crawl dungeons are. How limited their creatures, and what the cause was. 14:06:28 Just because it would a be a different challenge. 14:06:41 I'm not against new branches by any means. I proposed some a couple months ago, but KoboldLord in particular raised some good points about the issues with them 14:06:57 Lasty: for instance? 14:07:01 Forum or in here? 14:07:24 forum -- lemme dig up the link 14:07:40 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12327&p=173471&hilit=branches#p173471 14:07:49 er 14:07:50 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12327&hilit=branches 14:07:59 dungeon possibilities have not really been much explored IMHO. 14:08:03 argh, still has highlighting on that link. Feel free to strip it. 14:08:59 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 14:09:47 " 14:09:49 I agree, Lair is awesome but 8 levels is long. I wouldn't mind seeing a rework of the Hive, or something similar with an ant's nest, although with Spider now that may exceed the quota of insect branches." 14:09:52 this quote is wrong. 14:09:59 Spiders are not insects >:( 14:10:18 That's right, drop the hammer. 14:10:37 The Chasm would be interesting to try out. 14:11:58 damn, duvessa is really pounding for streamlning all the branches 14:12:00 D: 14:12:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef89TxAo_ZU the chasm you say 14:13:22 I don't recall if they all sounded off in that thread, but I'm pretty sure crate/duvessa/dck were opposed to new branches in general 14:14:24 I'm interested in a branch, if all the above were in it. 14:15:35 minmay's position in that thread seemed to be against only replacing *half* of lair instead of *all* of it, if you really felt that you had designed something better... 14:15:50 (minmay = duvessa, ofc) 14:16:10 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:48 -!- ballsystemlord has left ##crawl-dev 14:16:54 bye 14:17:01 Bye. 14:17:04 Well, minmay says things like: "I don't like the idea of branches in general for that reason [not enough interesting monsters]" 14:17:33 the only lair monster i don't really like happen to be death yaks 14:17:51 if only because their power level is strikingly above everything else up to the point where you meet them 14:18:19 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:21 Bloaxzorro: getting death yaks at the wrong time usually warrants the use of a wand or teleport scroll 14:18:49 well i've had a hydra and a death yak pack as a lair:1 entrance party 14:18:56 fortunately it was a corridor and i had cheibladehands 14:19:02 ah. 14:19:21 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:19:24 you can easily deal with them 14:19:26 death yak (08Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 59-95 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 873 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 14:19:26 %??death yak 14:19:28 question: would the dungeon feel perhaps more organic if the branch-stairs were slightly more meshed? 14:19:46 like.. finding entrances to the lair on 3 different dungeon levels? 14:19:47 but the laser-guided damage bombs are quite the jump in deadliness 14:23:50 I don't like the argument about unspoilered players having to learn new stuff 14:23:54 it is silly. 14:24:02 agreed 14:24:05 For instance: if I entern a chasm with loads of air tiles 14:24:10 I will expect drakes and dragons 14:24:19 perhaps mountain goats 14:24:41 if I enter a crypt, I expect undead... 14:25:17 besides, don't we have x-v descriptions for branch entrances? 14:25:44 well it's a valid argument whether you like it or not 14:26:25 I don't think it is a valid argument. Especially compared to that one should fix the broken branch instead. 14:27:20 it is possible to design stuff (or provide descriptions) in such a way that the player has a certain idea of what to expect. 14:27:56 The first time I entered shoals/spider/swamp/snake pit I wasn't surprised when I met the inhabitants. 14:28:18 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:51 if that is an argument, then we should simply remove the entire main dungeon 14:29:11 because it is way harder to learn that spawn list as it could be literally anything. 14:29:22 (okay, maybe not, but it is way bigger than the branch spawn lists) 14:29:38 the dungeon is just about the only place you are allowed to not know what to expect 14:29:43 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:29:48 since it is the baseground of the game 14:31:23 still doesn't make sense, as there are some rare things which may occur in the lair. 14:31:24 (well that and zot) 14:31:25 or anywhere else. 14:31:26 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 14:31:45 (if it is supposed to be: dungeon - random, branches - predictable) 14:34:34 was I supposed to understand that I'm about to face an ice dragon in L:4? Because that doesn't really seem consistent with this discussion. 14:34:43 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:35:39 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:02 TZer0: i'm pretty sure fire/ice dragons only spawn in certain vaults in lair 14:36:14 Bloaxzorro: sure, but they are fairly rare. 14:36:24 Thus being unpredictable 14:36:52 also oh no an unfinished tile of mine got in 14:37:05 I'm not complaining about this happening. 14:37:16 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/shadow_demon2_x.png any ideas for what the hell i should do about its lower part 14:37:24 I don't mind the occasional ice dragon I should leave alone when I first meat him at L:4... 14:37:31 but I still find the argument strange. 14:37:56 *meet 14:38:00 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Client Quit] 14:39:01 okay, what if the chasm was renamed to valley of drakes 14:39:11 valley of the drakes 14:39:20 we'll have the DS-fans breathing down our necks 14:39:27 but at least the player will know what's happening :P 14:40:09 -!- stanzwecha is now known as stanzill 14:41:09 why isn't the G-screen categorized? 14:41:22 Categorized? 14:41:35 Yeah, G, D would be the normal dungeon 14:41:43 G, H would list hell-branches 14:41:49 Bloaxzorro: I guess I'd have the tail turn into vapour, maybe? 14:41:53 TZer0: why would you do that? 14:41:59 what is the viability of Ds mutations being weighted in some way to not crippling your class? 14:42:06 0 14:42:09 i'm more thinking of what the hell i should do for it 14:42:10 PleasingFungus: because gehenna and the others are somewhere completely different last I time I checked. 14:42:10 :( 14:42:15 Honestly, I'd love to have only (H)ell be a destination from the menu. The subbranches of hell aren't very far away . . . 14:42:16 i'm considering spoderman legs 14:42:24 I have a DsFE going, and I’ve got the slip into darkness mut 14:42:33 And it kind of ruins this character 14:42:43 Lasty: and then actually have the pandemonium on the list 14:42:45 especially since Veh is extending my range 14:42:47 Bloaxzorro: yes 14:42:58 instead of hell, tartarus, gehenna, cocytus and dis 14:43:17 and ^fPandemonium 14:43:18 I seriously can't remember the letters for all those branches 14:43:23 enter enter 14:43:23 lobf: limited LOS greatly increases your ability to manage which enemies see you and how many enemies are on screen at onec 14:43:28 ^g enter 14:43:30 x3 14:43:40 it's almost entirely to your benefit, even with reduced total range 14:43:47 (YOU aRE HUNGRY) 14:44:06 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:06 Lasty- but it makes it harder to firestorm big groups 14:44:10 PleasingFungus: can you remember the letters for all those branches? 14:44:20 why is it that every time someone complains about nightstalker 14:44:23 they're using firestorm 14:44:25 or shatter 14:44:37 Bloaxzorro: strange that. 14:44:42 lobf: not much harder -- it still hits offscreen enemies. By the time your firestorming groups you're in fine shape anyway. 14:44:49 or some other thing that Ds aren't even that good for 14:44:56 and fewer of them get to retaliate against you 14:45:14 look at the bright side 14:45:25 now instead of having 12 greater mummies smitetorment you at once 14:45:27 Bloaxzorro: Firestorm is probably the best example, since it requires training two skills to ~level 27 with -1 apts 14:45:27 it's only 5 14:45:29 Bloaxzorro: not good for? they’re fine for it. Also, it’s fun to play things that aren’t really built for each other 14:45:46 their int is rather mediocre 14:45:58 their apts worse than human ones 14:46:13 gee it's time to pick up a level 9 dualschool spell 14:46:14 yet i have many great Ds casters 14:46:31 well people have rolled great mummy casters too 14:46:47 it just strikes me as interesting how often nightstalker complaints come from firestormers 14:46:57 maybe there’s something to it then... 14:47:14 !apt fire 14:47:15 Fire: : 2!, : 1, : 1, HO: 1, Te: 1, DE: 1, Ha: 0, Op: 0, Dr: 0, Hu: 0, VS: 0, Ko: 0, HE: 0, Gr: 0, Fo: 0, Na: 0, Ds: -1, Dg: -1, DD: -1, Ce: -1, Fe: -1, Mu: -2, Sp: -2, : -2, Gh: -2, Vp: -2, Mi: -3*, Mf: -3*, Tr: -3*, Og: -3* 14:47:48 [nothing]: 2, [nothing]: 1, [nothing]: 1 14:47:49 you don't "roll" a character 14:48:01 !apt gn 14:48:01 Could not understand "gn" 14:48:02 you plan it out 14:48:03 wow sequell what have you been smoking 14:48:09 !apt lo 14:48:09 Could not understand "lo" 14:48:12 eb_: you rock the game 14:48:15 and roll the character 14:48:16 !wtf lo 14:48:16 Lava Orc* 14:48:19 aw 14:48:25 also these mystery apts are draconians 14:48:25 !wtf bloax 14:48:26 Unemployed Unperson 14:48:28 I think? 14:48:34 !apt dr 14:48:35 Dr: Fighting: 1, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: N/A, Dodge: -1, Stealth: 0, Shields: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: 0 14:48:35 I believe so, yes 14:48:36 red, mottled, ??? 14:48:38 that about describes me 14:49:00 ??mottled draconian 14:49:00 mottled draconian[1/1]: A form of draconians that can spit sticky flame (range 1, can splash onto adjacent monsters). Player character gets +1 aptitude in Fire Magic. Also has sticky flame resistance at xl 7, but this doesn't stop the impact of sticky flame from doing scroll damage. 14:49:10 ??red draconian 14:49:11 red draconian[1/1]: A form of draconians with a fiery breath that leaves a flame cloud. Player character gets +2! aptitude in Fire magic, and -2 in Ice magic. Resists fire at xl 7. In dragon form they get rF++, rC-. 14:49:25 !apt LO 14:49:26 Could not understand "lo" 14:49:31 hm 14:49:31 there are too many colours of draconian 14:49:34 lobf: it's not that firestorm isn't doable with DS or that you shouldn't do whatever you want, it's just that planning to sink that much XP into casting firestorm is barely possible unless you're aiming for the full extended game. Aside from that, Nightstalker really does offer a lot of benefits in terms of controlling encounters and managing LOS -- it's quite strong, though not in a brute-force sort of way. 14:49:38 mystery character 14:50:05 if anything nightstalker is a blessing in extended 14:50:17 because it means more time to kill those pesky tormentors 14:50:25 Lasty: I understand that. I am planning for extended with these guys, and I factor in having full LOS like every other character that I cast FS with 14:50:35 Like, my tactics include having full LOS 14:50:40 and it’s annoying when I don’t 14:50:51 well perhaps you shouldn't be playing Ds then 14:50:55 lobf: Here's the thing 14:50:58 The game says its time to learn some new tactics :D 14:51:05 since those are pretty annoying if you're planning things 14:51:10 With nightstalker, you get to hit things with firestorm from out of LOS more often 14:51:13 can you take this to ##crawl 14:51:36 sorry 14:51:42 since this is just demonspawn advice it seems 14:52:26 adjusting mutations based on your class isn't going to happen, the point of demonspawn is you might have to adapt to your mutations 14:53:43 Just a thought, I knew it sounded weird. It does sound like this is a common complaint, though 14:53:59 MD removal is a source of common complaints too 14:54:07 Heh 14:54:08 bring back dwants imho 14:54:13 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:38 I’m not saying that makes it a good argument, just that if you see lots of attention on a particular subject, maybe it merits some inspection 14:55:40 I think it's been fairly well inspected . . . 14:56:01 okay then 15:02:43 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:14 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:08 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:24:14 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 15:30:22 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:33 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:45:16 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:57 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:17 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00:38 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: 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-!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 17:03:06 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:26 -!- negatendo has quit [Client Quit] 17:08:53 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:16:32 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:19:11 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-2193-g309c75d (34) 17:19:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:20:52 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:14 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: on y dort] 17:21:52 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:21:58 -!- negatendo has quit [Client Quit] 17:23:10 -!- dat0ctopode has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:26:57 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:26 Bloaxzorro: oh, i can push another version if you want, but it seemed fine to me 17:28:39 creepy slug demon 17:28:45 with perfect hands 17:28:55 well the only problematic part is the lower body 17:29:10 i swear this level of detail will be my undoing 17:29:17 i should make things less complicated 17:29:31 -!- Arisuudana has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:34:47 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:36:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:31 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:38:10 hm 17:38:30 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:39:42 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/shadow_demon3_2x.png 17:40:09 oops 17:41:46 so angry 17:42:49 alright refresh 17:45:01 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:45:06 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 17:46:07 what am i looking at 17:46:18 it looks the same but kind of smudgy 17:47:04 i'm kind of bothered by "shadow" and hard edges 17:47:27 especially when i am not very satisfied with the bottom part in the first place 17:48:06 i think it looks fine with hard edges 17:48:45 shadow fiends have hard edges 17:51:13 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:51:18 well i can't seem to pull anything off that looks good at the moment 17:53:40 * ontoclasm shrugs 17:53:47 the one i pushed is perfectly good 17:54:17 if you wanna mess with it, go for it, but it's fine as is 17:55:08 it doesn't look cool enough 17:55:13 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:55:43 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:58:50 well, i'd give it some markings or similar 17:59:14 i thought about putting gems in the middle of his hands or something like that 17:59:47 that's better than doing funky stuff with the outlines, imo 18:03:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:32 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:16:13 !tell TZer0 No messages for "No messages for TZer0". 18:16:13 Grunt: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 18:17:16 tell Grunt No messages for "!tell Grunt". 18:17:18 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:38 1tell Zannick No messages for "No messages for '!tell Grunt'.". 18:17:58 * ontoclasm pats Sequell 18:18:10 it's okay buddy, you're doing a good job 18:18:20 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:20:51 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:22:21 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:40 -!- warrigal2 is now known as tswett 18:28:18 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:24 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:35:45 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: CKyle_] 18:37:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:37 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:20 lasty / Lasty1: all I did was cut off a "hand" with the Op - I'm not sure I actually tried equipping the 7th ring, but the display suggested it wasn't possible. 18:45:46 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:13 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51:53 ??throw fire 18:51:53 I don't have a page labeled throw_fire in my learndb. 18:52:05 rchandra: Ah, okay -- I think I took care of it, then 18:52:09 -!- oblong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:52:15 it turns out the ring display assumes an even number of rings 18:52:22 and cuts off any remainders 18:52:37 You were able to wear the 7th ring, but it wouldn't show up under Show Jewelry 18:52:43 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:53:22 fwiw, tell Lasty 18:53:37 (in the future) 18:53:40 quick question 18:53:45 will do 18:53:55 is it possible to pull up a list of every player spell of a specific school in learndb? 18:53:55 thanks! 18:54:04 ontoclasm: any chance of fire/apocalypse crab updates 18:56:02 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140529030207]] 18:56:42 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:00 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:39 ontoclasm: and either way i like the white eyes more than the rather uncontrasting purple ones 18:58:01 (Information structure? What's that?) 19:00:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:31 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:07:54 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:53 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:14:11 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:14:17 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:19:10 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:21:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:52 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:31:45 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140720030203]] 19:31:52 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:32:07 -!- Behavioral has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:35:11 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:36:45 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:39:25 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:42:41 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:57:24 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:57:26 -!- netkitten has quit [Client Quit] 19:57:46 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:57:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:06 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 20:01:56 ??bolt of magma 20:01:56 bolt of magma[1/1]: 55% resistible (by rF) penetrating conjuration. Range 5. 20:04:05 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 20:09:33 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16:13 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:16:55 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:58 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:22:40 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:04 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:56 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:57 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:38:59 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:39:28 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:29 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 20:48:07 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:37 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:51:01 -!- LexAckson has quit [Client Quit] 20:53:01 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:53 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:56:28 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:13 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:59 -!- owl is now known as read 21:05:36 Is there any technical issue with spawning a unique in the abyss? 21:10:50 bh: context? 21:11:27 Grunt: dunno... maybe we could add The Abyss to the Mennas spawn list 21:11:38 bh: imo get him to wander around Pan first :) 21:21:34 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:14 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:26:19 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:34:16 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:27 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:38:45 -!- Mad_Wack_ has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:39:29 How about no bh 21:39:34 :( 21:39:42 how about no tabstorm 21:39:43 imo 21:40:37 I hope you don't mean on mennas on abyss:1 21:41:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:43:25 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:51:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:51:23 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:52:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:54:20 * : Suppressed by some changes of form message bug 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 by MrDespairSA 21:54:54 <|amethyst> sigh 21:55:51 1learn add 21:57:33 !tell bh We talked about an abyssal unique a while back, and the basic problem is you have no incentive to not just teleport when you see it. dpeg had thrown out some ideas of rewards, but that gets dicey. If it's something that can follow you through teleports, then maybe, but that's potentially awful 21:57:33 gammafunk: OK, I'll let bh know. 21:58:17 !send gammafunk awfulness 21:58:17 Sending awfulness to gammafunk. 21:59:15 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 22:01:55 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:07 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:05 -!- Tenda has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2194-g98569aa: Don't indicate suppressable mutations unless suppressed (#8814) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=98569aa5af12 22:06:28 -!- rockygargoyle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:15:50 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:18:32 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:56 4 in a row large rocks reflecting to hit a cyclops for 0. coincidence or worth posting a save? 22:21:47 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:22:00 <|amethyst> rchandra: what version? 22:22:19 <|amethyst> oh, iashol branch? 22:23:07 yeah, found it in iashol 22:23:17 that's shield reflection, not damage reflection 22:24:11 <|amethyst> That should be fixed in 22:24:15 <|amethyst> %git e2d3cf6 22:24:16 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2141-ge2d3cf6: Use correct stats for reflected range attacks (#8794) 10(5 days ago, 5 files, 33+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2d3cf676d58 22:24:22 <|amethyst> which isn't merged into iashol branch yet 22:24:42 ah, thanks. guess training for this large shield wasn't so bright :) 22:24:51 rip 22:26:56 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:28:00 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:51 Where is player melee damage calculated? 22:31:54 player.cc? 22:32:08 melee_attack.cc 22:32:10 oh mele- 22:32:15 Yeah thank you I just saw that haha. 22:33:39 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Client Quit] 22:33:50 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:35:14 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:11 -!- dgu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:41:52 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:45:14 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:02 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 22:46:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:48 gammafunk: there is pretty clearly only one unique that should spawn in the abyss 22:48:17 one unique with the ability... to travel between dimensions... 22:48:27 -!- dgu_ is now known as dgu 22:48:31 someday.... 22:48:39 PleasingFungus: clearly give something the ability to enter and leave the abyss at will 22:48:43 (imo Louise) 22:48:52 Grunt: you are missing the joke!!! 22:48:56 the joke is also completely serious ofc 22:49:50 <|amethyst> An Overgod perhaps? 22:50:01 <|amethyst> Or a Garden of Coloured Lights? 22:50:01 |amethyst: how about an oh god 22:50:12 |amethyst: literally about to make that joke :( 22:50:19 rip 22:50:41 <|amethyst> Knock knock 22:50:44 <|amethyst> Interrupting cow 22:50:50 <|amethyst> It doesn't work so well on IRC 22:51:59 Ah well. 22:53:01 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:07 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:03:40 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:49 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:59 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:07:35 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:22 -!- Evablue has quit [Client Quit] 23:08:57 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:11:13 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:40 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:58 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:41 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:00 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:13 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 23:18:19 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:47 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:20 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:07 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 23:27:10 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:44 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:27:50 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:09 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:14 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:35:27 -!- Berder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:36:17 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:42:18 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:24 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:42 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:00 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 23:52:19 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:29 -!- phalm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:56:23 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 23:56:33 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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