00:04:00 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:31 Temporary terrain change forgets colour 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8806 by neil 00:08:15 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2163-g4fb28e2 (34) 00:08:58 -!- Evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:09:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:32 isn't gourmand still useful for drinking blood without getting sick? 00:17:17 (blood really shouldn't give nutrition to non-vampires though, ugh) 00:17:25 (or sickness) 00:18:26 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2163-g4fb28e2 (34) 00:20:31 Amilir (L17 DDHe) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1365: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Snake:5) 00:20:47 <|amethyst> !crashlog amilir 00:20:47 2. Amilir, XL17 DDHe, T:37675 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Amilir/crash-Amilir-20140719-052028.txt 00:21:27 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 00:22:42 uh 00:22:52 aren't there corpses generated by vaults that aren't affected by gozag 00:22:58 gourmand would still be useful for those 00:25:12 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2164-g9cfb7c0: Revert "Mark gourmand useless for Gozag worshippers (#8801)." 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cfb7c0eb8a3 00:25:44 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:58 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:34 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:33:17 <|amethyst> hm, Amilir's crash is a monster casting teleport self 00:33:23 <|amethyst> but the monster seems to be dead 00:33:37 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:35:41 minmay: why should blood not give nutrition? it's gross but realistically blood is quite nutritious 00:36:15 and we are eating chunks raw anyway 00:36:21 <|amethyst> it's also the only real way for kobolds, felids, and ghouls to worship Gozag 00:36:22 so why not 00:36:25 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:37 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:53 <|amethyst> I would be in favour of getting rid of sickness (and doing proportional nutrition reduction for herbivores perhaps) 00:37:10 <|amethyst> sickness from non-carn/gourmand blood that is 00:37:20 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 00:37:53 <|amethyst> (okay, I guess "only real way" is not true: they could rely on permafood) 00:38:29 spriggans are the only herbivores now right? 00:38:48 <|amethyst> the only innate ones 00:39:17 oh, can't say I've ever gotten carnivore/herbivore mutations 00:39:19 <|amethyst> oh 00:39:24 <|amethyst> they have weight zero now 00:39:38 that would explain why I guess 00:40:02 <|amethyst> I guess herbivore could be single-level then 00:40:34 <|amethyst> and carnivore too 00:40:41 yeah 00:40:42 <|amethyst> would simplify things I imagine 00:43:49 <|amethyst> and if we're willing to lose saprovore on Troll, that could be one-level too 00:44:58 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2164-g9cfb7c0 00:44:58 why would trolls have to lose saprovore? 00:45:13 <|amethyst> because they shouldn't have the same level of saprovore as ghouls 00:45:37 oh 00:46:34 not being able to eat to engorged would be really annoying on a troll 00:46:45 <|amethyst> that doesn't come from saprovore 00:46:57 <|amethyst> that comes from innate gourmand (or carnivore 3, which trolls don't have) 00:47:54 <|amethyst> saprovore is what lets them eat rotting chunks 00:48:08 <|amethyst> (and used to give them more nutrition etc from brown ones, when brown ones existed) 00:48:32 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:48:34 |amethyst: you may be mildly interested that I finally got around to posting my dgamelaunch-powered dwarf-fortress server to github, along with a wiki that is suspiciously similar to the crawl one. however, I'm going to probably stop development on it to investigate a docker powered version. speaking of which, has anyone ever considered something like docker for crawl? 00:48:55 seems to be the latest hammer to solve all problems 00:49:44 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:58 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140714151536]] 00:50:07 <|amethyst> I think "a vm image" is the finest level of granularity we've considered for that kind of thing :) 00:51:37 <|amethyst> okay, not 100% true 00:51:41 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:51:51 <|amethyst> we've also talked about debian packages 00:52:44 was it paultag in #debian-devel and such that was into docker? 00:53:09 |amethyst: May as well quietly remove saprivore from trolls then. I doubt anyone will notice 00:54:11 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:56 Somebody mentioned the possibility of completely removing rotten chunks on the Tavern, which might be a good idea. 00:57:23 (And adjusting Gh to use regular chunks) 00:57:26 <|amethyst> johnstein: using our version of dgamelaunch or upstream 00:57:31 <|amethyst> ? 00:57:36 one my buddies got a docker for DF + dfhack working. we are working on the player interface now (slowly). Figure if we get it working for DF, should be easy to apply to crawl (if they can both work in dgamelaunch) 00:57:39 dgamelaunch 00:57:41 it's a hack job 00:57:48 https://github.com/jmbjr/dbro-dgamelaunch-config/tree/dorf 01:09:59 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:10:55 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-2080-g906cad3: Ru: fix bad logic in who can get durability sacrifices 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=906cad389259 01:10:55 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-2081-g3bc5fa6: Ru: Stifle extraneous horror status and messages 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bc5fa64d16d 01:11:35 !tell Lasty Pushed your lastest two commits to the experimental. 01:11:36 reaverb: OK, I'll let lasty know. 01:13:03 Experimental (iashol) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2081-g3bc5fa6 01:13:58 !tell Lasty Also, I finally got a Ru char going an noticed a couple bugs: Sac Love appears to not work on lamp of fire elementals, and Rod of Swarm / Sack of Spiders aren't marked useless. 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acquirement, code duplication in sacrifices, Op hand sac wrong text, Op hand sac 7 slots with one locked, Ru's description is too long in gods.txt 09:24:08 Anyone who's around: Would you have a problem with limiting Ru piety to 6* (160)? 09:24:34 It would remove the perennial question of whether 160 is max piety or not 09:25:42 -!- onwiheg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:25:46 I wouldn't. 09:26:17 But you might consider multiplying the effective piety by 1.25 for the abilities. 09:26:42 Well, the issue isn't the rate of gain per se, it's that people aren't sure why they're still being offered sacrifices after they hit 160 piety 09:27:01 because most people don't seem to know that the piety scale goes beyond base 6* 09:27:06 I know why you're thinking about it. 09:27:38 Then I'm confused: what would multiplying effective piety by 1.25 do to resolve it? 09:27:41 and the reason i'm saying that is so that you aren't nerfing the abilities while setting this cap 09:27:53 Oh, ah 09:27:57 (since 200/160 = 1.25) 09:27:58 yes, that's the idea 09:28:12 <|amethyst> except that would mess up all the *other* piety breakpoints 09:28:22 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28:29 <|amethyst> 30, 50, 75, 100, 120, 160 09:29:18 |amethyst: I think Bloax means to multiply the piety value used to determine ability power, not the amount needed to reach breakpoints 09:29:35 but I could be mistaken 09:29:51 it would indeed mess them up in the sense that piety values below 160 would also be affected by this multiplication 09:30:36 (and thus you'd have 25% more piety than before at any point before 160+ piety) 09:30:54 Right, it would increase your real piety, but that could be adjusted by also nerfing the rate of piety gain 09:31:03 yap 09:31:11 so that for any given level of sacrifice you'd still have the same level of ability power. 09:31:16 <|amethyst> You never lose piety with Ru, right? 09:31:19 <|amethyst> maybe that's the problem 09:31:19 correct 09:31:47 <|amethyst> because if we capped, say, Kiku piety at 160, people would definitely notice 09:31:55 Yes, definitely 09:32:02 I'm not suggesting that the cap be 160 for any other god 09:32:04 well nobody will notice this 09:32:06 it would break a ton of stuff 09:32:18 because Ru is a rather unusual god 09:32:40 <|amethyst> Lasty1: if it is capped, it should be a real cap too 09:32:47 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:47 <|amethyst> Lasty1: not just "no gain once you're at 160" 09:33:01 <|amethyst> but you also shouldn't be able to go 150 -> 170 09:33:07 Yes, definitely 09:33:25 Otherwise it'd be good to make your last sacrifice be a huge one 09:33:39 save your hand for last 09:33:46 I'm pretty sure that can be achieved by simple, Ru-specific changes to gain_piety() 09:33:59 how is piety added 09:34:16 <|amethyst> Lasty1: you must be careful to return false 09:34:23 <|amethyst> Lasty1: otherwise &^ will freeze 09:34:38 return false when trying to set piety > 160? 09:34:57 <|amethyst> When trying to set piety and the current piety is >= 160 09:35:01 i'm just thinking of making the sacrifice abilities set your piety to min(160,piety+x) 09:35:10 <|amethyst> err, when trying to set piety > 160 and current is >= 160 09:35:15 but crawl is probably more spaghetti than that 09:35:23 <|amethyst> When nothing changed, and calling it again would also make nothing change 09:36:11 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:37:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:37:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:38:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:01 -!- whiskers75 is now known as notwhiskers75 09:39:13 -!- notwhiskers75 is now known as whiskers75 09:41:15 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:46:53 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47:57 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:30 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:40 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:08 -!- Lasty1 has joined 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14:25:59 <|amethyst> opponents' cards that is 14:26:21 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:28 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:31 <|amethyst> I played magic over IRC (and talk!) at one point; can't be much harder than that :) 14:26:48 |amethyst: yeah, that was the only workable thing I could think of, too 14:27:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:31 -!- xen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:29:02 <|amethyst> (then I played using gccg for several years, then I got too busy and quit) 14:30:17 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:31:49 A while ago I remember seeing a lovely little bit of freeware which was essentially a virtual table for M:tG and other things. 14:31:58 I remember almost nothing about it now, including the name :( 14:33:22 <|amethyst> gccg was mostly used for M:TG and ME:TW but I think people implemented a few other games 14:33:39 It wasn't called gccg, AFAIR. 14:33:43 <|amethyst> it had buying packs and trading 14:34:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:34:32 Grunt: magic workstation? 14:34:40 johnstein: I don't think that was it, either. 14:34:43 * Grunt shrugs. 14:34:46 I don't really care :) 14:34:50 it was MTG geared but you could do any game 14:34:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:34:57 ah ok. I didn't use it much 14:35:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:49 <|amethyst> I guess cockatrice is what people use these days? back then it was Apprentice I think 14:35:59 APPRENTICE 14:36:00 That was it. 14:36:56 <|amethyst> gccg had its own scripting language that makes vimscript look like the pinnacle of language design 14:37:25 <|amethyst> it allowed indentation, but comments had to start in column 1 14:37:35 :| 14:37:50 <|amethyst> you had to manually push and pop values to get "local" variables 14:38:02 <|amethyst> there was a "return" statement 14:38:10 <|amethyst> however, it did not terminate the function 14:38:20 <|amethyst> it was more like pascal's funcname := value 14:38:34 <|amethyst> so all functions were single-exit 14:40:07 ick 14:40:46 <|amethyst> Grunt: that might have been a feature, given that you have to pop your "local" variables' original values :) 14:41:44 When your giant spores' explosions hit your oklob plants/wandering mushrooms, they turn on you, and if you kill them, you lose a lot of piety (feel extremely guilty), is this intended behavior or a bug? 14:42:26 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:22 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:46:05 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:47:16 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:13 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:50:53 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:03 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:53:25 -!- fiddlerw1aroof has quit [Client Quit] 14:54:20 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:54:36 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:55:11 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Client Quit] 14:56:44 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:59 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140714151536]] 15:00:33 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Client Quit] 15:01:21 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:42 -!- fiddlerw1aroof has quit [Client Quit] 15:02:55 anyone know how to get webtiles to rebuild my js? I made a trivial change to client.js and it isn't showing up or having effects 15:04:40 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:38 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:33 <|amethyst> nrook: you're running webtiles locally? 15:10:39 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:55 -!- nrook_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:56 -!- nrook has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:04 |amethyst: yes 15:12:07 -!- nrook_ is now known as nrook 15:12:33 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 15:12:41 xzanthius (L13 CeFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 730: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 15:13:00 <|amethyst> nrook: if you wget (or whatever) the client.ws is it the old version or the new? 15:13:14 <|amethyst> nrook: i.e. I wonder whether your browser is caching the old one 15:13:23 <|amethyst> s/ws/js/ 15:13:33 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:14:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:54 <|amethyst> (it's at the URL /static/scripts/client.js ) 15:14:56 hmm, looks like you're right 15:15:07 <|amethyst> nrook: you can turn off caching in the config 15:15:09 didn't even think of caching, I am so not a webdev at all :p 15:15:19 <|amethyst> oh, hm 15:15:34 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:15:35 <|amethyst> actually, that setting sounds like it only applies to game_data 15:15:51 <|amethyst> ah, no, there's another setting 15:15:57 <|amethyst> game_data_no_cache and no_cache 15:18:08 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:11 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 15:19:47 xzanthius (L13 CeFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 730: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 15:20:43 <|amethyst> hrm? 15:20:48 <|amethyst> I thought I fixed that 15:20:50 <|amethyst> old version 15:20:54 <|amethyst> !crashlog xzanthius 15:20:55 25. xzanthius, XL13 CeFi, T:18500 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/xzanthius/crash-xzanthius-20140719-201944.txt 15:21:12 <|amethyst> yes, old version 15:21:17 <|amethyst> fixed 20 commits later 15:21:46 -!- nrook_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:53 -!- nrook has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:55 -!- nrook_ is now known as nrook 15:25:34 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:27:39 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus regarding that delay you changed to not use a turn... I wonder if something similar is behind #8805 15:27:39 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 15:29:04 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:15 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:29 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:42 !tell Grunt lies. 15:38:43 TZer0: OK, I'll let grunt know. 15:38:51 !tell TZer0 truth! 15:38:51 Grunt: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 15:39:09 !messages 15:39:10 (1/1) Grunt said (18s ago): truth! 15:41:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:42:54 <|amethyst> !rng lies truth xom 15:42:55 The RNG chooses: xom. 15:43:11 THERE IS NO TRUTH. THERE IS ONLY XOM. 15:44:14 !tell TZer0 XOM 15:44:14 Bloax: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 15:44:49 i am a messenger sent from the past 15:44:57 ah i see it is too late 15:44:59 OH WELL 15:49:08 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50:47 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 15:50:51 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:05 !messages 15:51:05 (1/1) Bloax said (6m 51s ago): XOM 15:54:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:53 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:03:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:05:30 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:37 -!- rob__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:39 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 16:12:29 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:13:32 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:15:42 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:37 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:53 http://bpaste.net/show/doSBrstRv9qpS4JMKSRc/ 16:24:25 A patch for a possible new Gozag wrath effect. (potion failure) 16:25:12 Your potion turns to porridge! 16:25:21 It was very gluggy! 16:25:40 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:46 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:57 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:33:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:35:44 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:35:53 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:02 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:38:44 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [] 16:41:04 Hmm, I guess I'll just push that new effect. 16:42:04 Giving derived undead equipment in .des causes crash 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8807 by Skrybe 16:42:24 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:45:29 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:47:14 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-2165-g9981db6: New Gozag wrath effect: potion failure 10(53 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9981db6781f8 16:47:29 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:34 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 16:57:16 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:02 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:52 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:04:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:56 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:16 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:10:50 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:58 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:14 -!- odjn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:13:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:09 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18:57 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:19:26 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-2165-g9981db6 (34) 17:19:51 -!- fsc418 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:23:33 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 17:27:01 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:32:49 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:34:12 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:39 -!- Xen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:39:11 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:12 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:42:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:56:43 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:14 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:20 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:11:55 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:17 -!- Grithok has quit [] 18:18:39 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-2166-gae745b9: Necro and Earth spell icons 10(3 minutes ago, 10 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae745b930325 18:19:55 ontoclasm: why is iron shot an iron ball 18:20:22 why not? 18:20:39 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:57 well for one because the projectile doesn't look like a ball 18:21:34 and the level 3 equivalent is a stone arrow 18:21:47 the projectile looks like a ball with a wake behind it 18:22:21 and why can't an iron sphere hurt more than a stone arrow? 18:23:41 well it won't be as devastating as a bigger iron object 18:24:29 (and it also doesn't look nearly as cool) 18:24:41 what should it be instead? 18:25:16 an iron spear :^) 18:25:18 and i think murdering people by firing shotputs at them really hard is pretty cool 18:25:28 there's already a spear 18:25:44 but this isn't a shiny crystal spear! 18:26:29 http://www.crossbowbook.com/fig78.gif there's also this 18:27:20 still an arrow basically 18:27:24 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:27:46 i still don't see why it needs a point to look dangerous 18:27:51 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:52 bullets don't have points 18:27:59 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:01 well, some do, but mostly not 18:28:14 <|amethyst> I thought that's what iron shot *was* 18:28:16 <|amethyst> a bullet 18:28:20 yes 18:28:31 <|amethyst> or cannonball at least 18:28:37 or that 18:28:39 Modern bullets have points 18:28:48 so i drew an iron sphere 18:28:52 the large rock "Iron Shot" {steel} 18:29:02 it looks like a sling bullet 18:29:04 <|amethyst> Lasty1: modern bullets are too new for crawl :) 18:29:10 http://pngimg.com/upload/bullets_PNG1468.png 18:29:17 first result for bullet 18:29:17 true, but science and magic are interchangable! :D 18:29:18 |amethyst: that's why it's magic 18:30:45 Is it normal that spellforged servitor uses dazzling spray on it's target,regardless if you're on it's way? 18:30:51 like this: Your spellforged servitor points at the yak and mumbles some strange words. The spray of energy hits you! 18:31:39 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:38 Normal, perhaps. Intended is another question. 18:32:45 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:33:52 I asked it here because I've seen it doesn't use other conjurations if they are going to hurt you (unless something like,say, conjure ball lightning) 18:34:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:03 just with dazzling spray 18:34:27 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:34:54 reaverb: uggggh, blurry mouth? and it doesn't even count for penance? you are a cruel dev. 18:34:54 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:35:05 !bug 8805 18:35:06 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 18:35:08 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: what level are you? 18:35:18 yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-53 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 205 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 18:35:18 <|amethyst> %??yak 18:35:25 PleasingFungus: It doesn't count for penance because then people would drink !pois etc. out of combat to reduce penance. 18:35:25 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:32 ah, I died in that game 18:35:33 reaverb: yeah obv. 18:35:39 blurry mouth, though! 18:35:46 was xl 13 18:36:04 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: and only one yak or multiple? 18:36:07 Man, whoever made this Depths encompass vault full of elementals and mimics . . . 18:36:14 let me see 18:36:18 so I was wondering -- how is the non-code content of crawl licensed? Tiles are cc0, but what about the rest of it? 18:36:35 3 yaks 18:38:11 |amethyst:http://pastebin.com/zdHPL59y 18:38:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:03 bh: Crawl licensing is confusing, I don't think anything can be assumed to be something other than the standard Crawl license. SOME of the tiles are public domain but I wouldn't rely on that unless I had independant verification. 18:39:27 The new eye of draining title screen definitely isn't public domain IIRC. 18:39:39 <|amethyst> bh: yeah, I would assume GPL if not otherwise mentioned 18:39:42 -!- dat0ctopode has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:39:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:56 |amethyst: The GPL doesn't make any sense for something like a character. 18:40:03 <|amethyst> bh: a character? 18:40:45 <|amethyst> bh: You mean descriptions etc? 18:41:03 on an even more boring level -- the idea of Saint Roka, for example 18:42:35 If someone decided to write some Beogh fanfic, would jpeg have a copyright claim against them? 18:43:08 <|amethyst> I don't think any of our "characters" are really eligible for copyright 18:43:09 The only reason I bring it up is because I don't want some doofus lawyer from Blizzard sending us a cease and desist a year from now claiming that they own Nemelex 18:43:14 <|amethyst> 1. the “story being told” test, which requires the character to actually constitute the story being told and not simply be a vehicle for telling the story; and 18:43:17 <|amethyst> 2. the “especially distinctive” test, which requires the character to be well developed and delineated with consistent, widely identifiable traits as opposed to stock characters (e.g., a hard-boiled detective or mad scientist) or characters that are mandated by the relevant genre of a work (e.g., the femme fatale and evil genius in a spy film). 18:43:44 <|amethyst> (from a Forbes article) 18:43:59 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:14 <|amethyst> and Blizzard's use definitely doesn't qualify for copyright 18:44:29 <|amethyst> anyway, if Blizzard sends us a C+D over nemelex, it will be a good thing 18:44:36 <|amethyst> because that will be a lot of publicity for Crawl 18:44:38 Ha, that's probably right. 18:44:50 <|amethyst> And they will obviously be in the wrong 18:45:14 <|amethyst> I mean, it's not like we don't have a source control repository going back eight years 18:45:19 I certainly appreciate the nod from them! 18:45:53 <|amethyst> haven't they made nods to DF before? 18:46:02 <|amethyst> or was that just CCP? 18:46:32 hehe. I should make a dwarf fortress vault 18:46:34 WoW makes nods to a lot of pop culture IIRC. 18:46:47 Things like NPCs being expys of celebrities, etc. 18:46:52 a whole punch of dead dwarves, traps and a bronze statue 18:47:11 <|amethyst> It menaces with spikes of NSUBST 18:50:01 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:35 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:54:24 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:55:09 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:56:14 rockygargoyle: hrm, so the problem is only that the servitor hit you? 18:56:18 with dazzling spray 18:56:30 <|amethyst> it can, but the numbers seem slightly off 18:56:31 well, not only that 18:56:52 <|amethyst> a yak is 7 HD, you were 13, and the foe ratio is (should be?) 80% 18:56:56 I am confused about the turncount 18:57:07 <|amethyst> so it should take slightly over three yaks to make it zap you by my calculations 18:57:09 20819 | Lair:6 | HP: 15/100 [spellforged servitor/spray of energy[the player character] (32)] 20819 | Lair:6 | Killed from afar by a spellforged servitor 18:57:10 <|amethyst> but 18:57:25 rockygargoyle: that was multiple hits in a turn 18:57:26 <|amethyst> I got it to zap me at xl 13 with just two yaks 18:57:50 rockygargoyle: can happen for things like hydra with many attacks, or in this case a spell with up to 3 attacks 18:58:16 famously 18:58:24 !lg timbw max=dam x=dam,tdam 18:58:25 4880. [dam=100;tdam=106] timbw the Executioner (L14 MiBe of Trog), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Spider:2 on 2013-10-12 01:02:15, with 62660 points after 17856 turns and 0:45:26. 18:58:34 so if I use dazzling spray on just one target, it can hit multiple times? 18:58:50 rockygargoyle: no, the player spell doesn't allow that 18:58:57 this was the monster version (cast by the servitor) 18:59:03 aw 18:59:04 so it may indeed allow that 18:59:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:59:51 hm, that solves the turns issue 19:00:22 well the basic thing with the servitor hitting you is that allies can elect to use an attack that targets a foe but that will also hit you 19:00:40 |amethyst is saying that maybe its calculation is off here, though 19:00:58 hmm 19:01:40 the servitor targetted a yak, but you happened to be in the beam path, and the servitor's assessment was "rockygargoyle can handle it" 19:01:47 even though you couldn't, rip 19:02:08 he checks your hd before hitting you? 19:02:58 there is a concept called a 'tracer' in crawl 19:03:12 before a monster decides to cast a spell, it runs a tracer, which estimates what things are in the way 19:03:22 for all allies to it and all enemies to it it totals their HD (xl for a player) 19:03:43 and it decides, based on how much HD of enemies the tracer reaches vs how much HD of allies the tracer reaches, how safe it is to cast (this part is probabilistic) 19:03:51 this is why you will sometimes see ogre mages banish one of their allies 19:04:16 <|amethyst> well 19:04:16 it's because their tracer ran on a straight line to you through other enemies to you and it decided it was worth trying anyway (even though it could never actually work, the tracer doesn't care) 19:04:23 <|amethyst> some of that is dumb 19:04:29 -!- caricature has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:04:33 <|amethyst> e.g. they shouldn't do that with banish 19:04:37 <|amethyst> because it's an enchantment 19:04:39 no, they shouldn't, but they do right now 19:04:40 <|amethyst> it can't miss 19:04:51 i think it should work only with beams 19:04:54 ??gammafunk[6] 19:04:54 gammafunk[6/9]: <|amethyst> that's dumb 19:05:02 <|amethyst> but spray 1. can miss 2. is a spray 19:05:05 also, I'm curious about something 19:05:12 if there are 2 orbs of fire and the back one wants to cast orb of fire 19:05:20 does it think that it will hit its ally or does it know it's rf+++ and it doesn't matter 19:05:25 because I can't remember 19:05:38 fr: cast orb of fire 19:05:45 *cast bolt of fire sorry 19:06:28 <|amethyst> no, it checks whether it does > 0 damage (or for an enchantment, that it affects the target) 19:06:37 ok, that makes sense 19:06:39 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06:49 <|amethyst> aha 19:06:51 also, another thing I wanted to ask 19:06:57 <|amethyst> I see why my calculation was off 19:07:25 <|amethyst> it's scaled by the AC/resist reduction 19:07:30 yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-53 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 205 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 19:07:30 <|amethyst> %??yak 19:07:35 <|amethyst> so if you have more AC than a yak 19:07:36 If your giant spore's explosion hits your oklobs/wandering mushrooms, they turn hostile, and killing them makes you lose a lot of piety 19:07:40 is it normal? 19:07:40 yeah bolt::tracer_nonenchantment_affect_monster seems to be the relevant function for that check 19:08:04 <|amethyst> ohh 19:08:14 <|amethyst> tracer_affect_player doesn't do the AC scaling at all though 19:08:30 <|amethyst> but there's a 2* in the monster calculation so that makes up for it I guess 19:09:48 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:43 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:13:54 -!- miek_ is now known as __miek 19:14:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:15:17 all I know is that a friendly hell sentinel had no problem hellfiring that alligator and myself to death 19:16:06 gammafunk: it was for the greater good 19:16:14 oh you 19:16:20 you should have put on the glasses 19:16:30 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:16:35 (at least I assume that was also a pun) 19:17:10 If there's a pun in there, that's a happy coincidence. 19:17:18 the spell was SGD 19:17:33 and "greater good" 19:17:52 It's a bit of a reach, but I'll take it 19:18:04 totally glasses legit imo 19:18:36 Better late than never. 19:18:40 ??grunt[17 19:18:41 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 19:18:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:19:48 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:42 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 19:21:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:22:55 We have a !glasses now <_< 19:23:16 That's very generous of you 19:23:40 i think you mean is that it was very 19:23:41 !glasses 19:23:42 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 19:23:46 grunt of him 19:24:09 That's not a pun . . . 19:24:20 but it is very grunt-like 19:24:29 and there goes the punchline 19:24:30 touche! 19:25:02 ....you mean the pun-chline 19:25:05 1glasses 19:25:44 careful with all these punch-lines flying around 19:25:47 might break someone's jaw 19:38:37 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:40:53 !abyss !glasses 19:40:53 bh casts a spell. !glasses is devoured by a tear in reality! 19:41:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:41:29 rip 19:41:45 dang 19:43:22 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140714151536]] 19:48:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:18 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:49:57 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:50:57 -!- dgu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:53:32 It's probably best you weren't wearing them at the time. 20:02:51 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:27 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:07:00 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:22 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:13:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 20:17:22 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:22:11 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:25:56 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:26:09 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:32 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:59 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:17 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:38:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:05 !learn e wheals[2] s/$/, make snorg cast spells/ 20:42:05 wheals[2/5]: todo: fix ghost speed, tunneling worms, leeches??, make portal sounds more sound, disarming cutlass, remove a kind of fountain, make snorg cast spells 20:42:53 make snorg what 20:43:13 imo magic dart. trcj guide liiives 20:43:16 Snorg's berserking is a special ability right now; presumably wheals wants to make that a spell? 20:43:23 o 20:43:32 I hope he doesn't think snorg needs a buff 20:43:40 no, i want to nerf mon-abil.cc 20:44:12 !nerf mon-abil.cc 20:44:13 * Sequell nerfs mon-abil.cc!!! 20:44:43 !nerf !ner 20:44:43 * Sequell nerfs !ner!!! 20:44:44 er 20:44:46 for a fun time, search for [ds] in mon-util.cc 20:44:48 !nerf Grunt's keyboard 20:44:49 * Sequell nerfs Grunt's keyboard!!! 20:45:00 give snorg magic dart as a nod to the trcj guide 20:45:01 Snorg (09T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 96 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | 10doors, regen, !sil | Res: 06magic(64) | XP: 1134 | Sp: berserker rage | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 20:45:01 %??snorg 20:45:06 Snorg (09T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 96 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | 10doors, regen, !sil | Res: 06magic(64) | XP: 1134 | Sp: berserker rage; magic dart (3d4) | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 20:45:06 %??snorg spells:magic_dart 20:45:08 ^ 20:45:17 or maybe give it to purgy? 20:45:20 !killratio snorg * cv=0.15-a 20:45:21 Purgy (03T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 35 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 9, 4, 4 | 10doors, regen, !sil | Res: 06magic(13) | XP: 134 | Sp: magic dart (3d4) | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 20:45:21 %??purgy spells:magic_dart 20:45:22 snorg wins 3.993% of battles against * (cv=0.15-a). 20:45:25 good old snorg 20:45:30 3d4, better than a dewz :,) 20:46:01 Patashu_: you are STEALING MY JOKE 20:46:21 come up with your own joke 20:46:23 yeah beat it punk! 20:46:25 !killratio rupert * cv=0.15-a 20:46:27 rupert wins 4.765% of battles against * (cv=0.15-a). 20:46:49 anyway the problem is making his chance of berserking the same and it's a bunch of mucking around with repeating the spell or even giving SP_MELEE for all i know 20:46:51 I'm pretty sure a Berserk spell already exists for Spriggan Berserker monsters? 20:46:58 also rupert and bears 20:47:32 (and yes there a probably differances between the ability and spell) 20:48:06 hrm, it does list berserker rage for snorg 20:48:11 Rupert (04@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 123 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106) | XP: 2162 | Sp: paralyse, confuse, berserker rage | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 20:48:11 %??rupert 20:48:18 spriggan berserker (04i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 42-65 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, see invisible | Res: 06magic(112) | XP: 836 | Sp: brothers in arms, trog's hand, berserker rage | Sz: little | Int: normal. 20:48:18 %??spriggan_berserker 20:48:51 monster doesn't see mon-spll.h 20:49:07 or, maybe it does, but most of its list is based on empirical data 20:50:27 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:54 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:56:08 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 20:56:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:13:05 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:09 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:15:14 -!- somebody1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:12 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23:20 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:24:00 <|amethyst> lots of the things monster lists as "spells" aren't spells 21:25:01 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:25:53 Yeah, like dragon breath -- I have reports of "the swamp dragon begins to cast a spell, but then falters." 21:27:36 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:27:39 <|amethyst> swamp dragon breath is a spell, but those aren't supposed to be affected by antimagic because (among other reasons) it has M_FAKE_SPELLS 21:27:53 Ah, is that the flag to check for? 21:28:01 Does anything have a mix of real and fake spells 21:28:09 <|amethyst> That means "this spell isn't even a magical ability" 21:28:12 (draconians, duh) 21:28:36 draconian breath is a monster ability IIRC? 21:28:48 <|amethyst> yes 21:29:04 <|amethyst> But there's also "magical ability that isn't a spell" 21:29:11 draconian breath is a monster ability and swamp dragon breath is a fake spell?? 21:29:13 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:29:14 <|amethyst> meaning one that doesn't have M_ACTUAL_SPELLS 21:29:18 <|amethyst> yes 21:29:26 mind blown. 21:29:48 <|amethyst> probably "begins cast a spell" should only be used with M_ACTUAL_SPELLS 21:30:52 yeah 21:31:00 Of course Fire and Ice dragon breath actually are monster abilities <_< >_> 21:38:37 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:42:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:45:59 why don't demonspawn mercenaries get "classes" when leveling up, like draconians do? 21:47:39 My guess would be nobody's bothered to implement it, I'm not sure how desirable it would be to implement though (might mess with demonspawn mercenary balance, for instance) 21:48:19 hm 21:48:45 I thought it was weird, seeing that almost all other mercenaries can "upgrade" 21:49:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:58:19 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:20 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:00:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:05 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:22 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03:29 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:43 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:07 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 22:18:16 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:38 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:49 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:25:56 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:26:24 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:33 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:31:14 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:42 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:35:31 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:37:20 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:37:51 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:45 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:08 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:42:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:43:15 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:43:23 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:46:39 -!- tinybat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:50:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:55:47 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:58:36 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:18 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:28 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:08:56 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:41 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:33 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:37 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:54 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 23:18:13 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:46 -!- infiniplex has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:05 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:23:01 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:49 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:17 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:56 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:31 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30:57 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:32:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:22 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:35 !tell reaverb Look at my layout updates. I have run out of files to change without conflicting myself. 23:38:35 infiniplex: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 23:40:18 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:44:52 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:31 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:54 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Excess Flood] 23:50:02 -!- kaiza has quit [Excess Flood] 23:50:27 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:42 !tell TS__ The Elf city has a higher weight because it is new the only city layout in the branch and I assigned layout weights for type distributions. Currently 20/75, will be 20/115 when my patches go in. 23:50:42 infiniplex: OK, I'll let ts__ know. 23:51:08 Dang 23:51:08 TS__: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:51:29 that was something I asked days ago, lol 23:53:00 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [] 23:54:17 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:37 I didn't see an answer so I thought you might still be wondering. What is the timeout for questions? 23:55:28 -!- cr0ne has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:26 infiniplex: you're refering to patches in mantis, right? If reaverb doesn't get to it first, I'll check it out tomorrow for sure 23:57:06 Yes, those were that patches I meant. 23:57:24 we can't have infiniplex conflicting himself :) 23:58:16 By which I mean that if I submit 2 patches for the same file, I don't know what happens.