00:00:00 I learned that the hard way. 00:00:02 incredible 00:00:03 not if you know secret stuff 00:00:11 kramin is a sequell master!!! 00:00:21 ??sequell 00:00:21 sequell[1/3]: The ##crawl bot, handling game statistics, the {learndb}, and more. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/raw/master/docs/listgame.md If you want the source for *this bot*, go here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell. 00:00:28 ??sequell[2 00:00:29 sequell[2/3]: https://loom.shalott.org/userdef.html lists user-defined keywords/commands/functions. 00:00:33 ??sequell[3 00:00:33 sequellese[1/1]: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/commandline.md 00:00:34 secret stuff which is in the docs which no-one reads 00:00:47 I tried to read the docs once. 00:01:08 haha 00:01:18 it's in learndb.md 00:01:20 reaverb gazes into the documentation. reaverb looks rather confused. 00:01:45 Apparently there's some command which wipes every entry of a learndb word, but I couldn't get it to work <_< >_> 00:02:18 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:43 \\!won cang 00:03:44 cang has not won in 19 games. 00:04:04 \\!gamesby cang 00:04:05 cang has played 19 games, between 2012-09-09 17:04:07 and 2014-06-26 17:14:00, won 0, high score 401305, total score 644259, total turns 236769, play-time/day 0:01:07, total time 12:13:09. 00:04:09 \\!lg cang 00:04:10 19. cang the Basher (L10 DgGl), mangled by a killer bee (kmap: david_nohive_1) on D:8 on 2014-06-26 17:14:00, with 4869 points after 12205 turns and 0:28:19. 00:04:15 rip cang 00:04:15 cang 00:04:24 cang (04Ω) | Spd: c | HD: i | HP: 666 | AC/EV: e/π | Dam: 999 | Res: sanity | XP: ∞ | Int: god | Sz: !!! 00:04:24 %??cang 00:04:25 cang 00:04:27 <3 00:08:12 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2139-g05c403e (34) 00:08:23 \\??cang 00:08:23 cang ~ clang[1/2]: clang 00:08:29 ha ha ha 00:08:33 ??clang[$ 00:08:33 clang[2/2]: clang 00:08:39 hm. 00:08:50 ??cang 00:08:51 cang 00:08:53 ??cang[2 00:08:53 cang 00:09:00 \\??cang 00:09:00 Hmm. 00:09:00 cang ~ clang[1/2]: clang 00:09:08 ??clang[2 00:09:08 clang[2/2]: clang 00:09:26 yes, we need a secret cang entry 00:09:26 !learn edit clang[2] s/clang/The goal of the Clang project is to create a new C, C++, Objective C and Objective C++ front-end for the LLVM compiler. 00:09:26 cang 00:09:27 clang[2/2]: The goal of the Clang project is to create a new C, C++, Objective C and Objective C++ front-end for the LLVM compiler. 00:09:31 :^) 00:09:49 What does :^) mean? 00:09:55 !learn del clang[1 00:09:55 Deleted clang[1/2]: clang 00:09:57 nothing L^)))) 00:10:09 Hmm. 00:10:11 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:14 !learn add clang[1] clang 00:10:15 clang[1/2]: clang 00:11:26 \\!learn add cang $nick is a $bot master!! 00:11:26 cang[1/1]: $nick is a $bot master!! 00:11:31 \\??cang 00:11:32 cang[1/1]: Kramin is a Sequell master!! 00:11:55 ??cang 00:11:55 cang 00:12:09 cang (04Ω) | Spd: c | HD: i | HP: 666 | AC/EV: e/π | Dam: 999 | Res: sanity | XP: ∞ | Int: god | Sz: !!! 00:12:09 %??cang 00:12:09 cang 00:12:45 !learn add stuff stuff 00:12:46 stuff[1/1]: stuff 00:12:50 !learn add stuff more stuff 00:12:51 stuff[2/2]: more stuff 00:13:07 .echo $(ldb-rm! stuff *) 00:13:13 ??stuff 00:13:13 stuff ~ staff[1/2]: A piece of wood with a random appearance. There are four kinds: energy (negates {spell hunger} and can be e(v)oked to convert food into MP), wizardry (reduces spell failure chances), power (grants extra MP), and enhancer (makes a specific school of magic more powerful, often granting thematic melee powers and resistances). 00:13:18 Oh, hmm. 00:13:20 Too Much Power 00:13:25 !learn add stuff cang 00:13:25 cang 00:13:54 Yes there should probably be a restriction on that. 00:13:54 \\??stuff 00:13:55 stuff ~ staff[1/2]: A piece of wood with a random appearance. There are four kinds: energy (negates {spell hunger} and can be e(v)oked to convert food into MP), wizardry (reduces spell failure chances), power (grants extra MP), and enhancer (makes a specific school of magic more powerful, often granting thematic melee powers and resistances). 00:13:57 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:15 you have to read commandline.md 00:14:32 but yeah, maybe 00:14:41 Well that command could be pretty easily used for trolling. 00:14:51 also restrict !learn del and !learn edit 00:14:54 also probably !learn add 00:15:29 That command is 27x as effective as !learn del and doesn't leave the information need to reconstruct the entry in the channel. 00:15:43 <|amethyst> how would you restrict it? 00:15:58 <|amethyst> give sequell a list of devs? 00:16:34 I'm not sure. (Can bots detect +v?) 00:16:45 probably requiring nick auth and a blacklist would be ok 00:17:30 (does sequell already require nick auth?) 00:17:39 -!- PleasingFungus is now known as pf 00:17:46 !learn add stuff things 00:17:46 stuff[1/1]: things 00:17:49 !learn del stuff 00:17:49 Deleted stuff[1/1]: things 00:17:52 -!- pf is now known as PleasingFungus 00:18:03 "no" 00:18:34 sequell already requires it for !nick so it that shouldn't be hard to do 00:18:38 -!- vede has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:48 is there a record kept of changes to the learndb somewhere other than the channel? 00:21:03 <|amethyst> If you're going to restrict editing, I'd start with :beh: 00:22:08 <|amethyst> !learn add :beh:[0] ::: ::: last 00:22:08 :beh:[18/18]: ::: ::: last 00:22:12 -!- MrPeeps has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:22:15 <|amethyst> !learn del :beh:[18] 00:22:15 Deleted :beh:[18/18]: ::: ::: last 00:22:32 <|amethyst> !learn add :beh:[0] .* ::: ::: last 00:22:32 :beh:[18/18]: .* ::: ::: last 00:22:37 <|amethyst> !learn del :beh:[18] 00:22:40 <|amethyst> \\!learn del :beh:[18] 00:22:41 Deleted :beh:[18/18]: .* ::: ::: last 00:22:54 !send |amethyst \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 00:22:55 Sending \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ to |amethyst. 00:24:01 only half got through lol 00:24:16 !send Grunt \\ 00:24:16 Sending \ to Grunt. 00:24:23 !seen reaverb \\ \\ 00:24:23 Sorry reaverb, that person is dead. 00:24:25 <|amethyst> !send |amethyst \ 00:24:25 Sending \ to |amethyst. 00:24:29 <|amethyst> !send |amethyst \\\ 00:24:29 Sending \\ to |amethyst. 00:24:30 !send reaverb \\ \\ 00:24:30 Sending \ \ to reaverb. 00:24:35 <|amethyst> !send |amethyst \$ 00:24:36 Sending $ to |amethyst. 00:24:38 <|amethyst> !send |amethyst \a 00:24:39 !send reaverb \\\ 00:24:39 Sending \a to |amethyst. 00:24:39 Sending \\ to reaverb. 00:24:41 Hmm. 00:24:48 that's pretty weird. 00:24:59 !seen Sequell 00:24:59 <|amethyst> !send |amethyst $(!glasses) 00:25:00 Sorry Grunt, I haven't seen sequell. 00:25:00 Sending ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) to |amethyst. 00:25:09 !tell Sequell hi 00:25:10 Sorry Grunt, I don't know who sequell is. 00:25:10 !seen reaverb a \n b 00:25:10 Sorry reaverb, that person is dead. 00:25:14 ha 00:25:14 !send reaverb a \n b 00:25:15 Sending a \n b to reaverb. 00:25:48 !send $nick $channel 00:25:48 Sending ##crawl-dev to Kramin. 00:26:05 !send $(.echo more than one word) Grunt 00:26:05 Sending than one word Grunt to more. 00:26:08 thought so 00:28:37 !send reaverb do {!function _acquirement_misc_subtype} 00:28:37 Sending do {!function _acquirement_misc_subtype} to reaverb. 00:28:39 Hmm. 00:29:19 <|amethyst> wonder if I did this right 00:29:25 <|amethyst> !learn add :beh: {{nick:Grunt}} !glasses ::: $(if (rand 10) "Grunt collapsed into a black hole today. Authorities cite the accretion disk of billions and billions of pairs of sunglasses as a contributing factor.") ::: continue 00:29:25 :beh:[18/18]: {{nick:Grunt}} !glasses ::: $(if (rand 10) "Grunt collapsed into a black hole today. Authorities cite the accretion disk of billions and billions of pairs of sunglasses as a contributing factor.") ::: continue 00:29:42 <|amethyst> oop 00:29:44 !glasses 00:29:44 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 00:29:53 Only one way to find out <_< >_> 00:30:03 <|amethyst> I made one mistake 00:30:10 <|amethyst> at least 00:30:20 <|amethyst> !learn del :beh:[18] 00:30:21 Deleted :beh:[18/18]: {{nick:Grunt}} !glasses ::: $(if (rand 10) "Grunt collapsed into a black hole today. Authorities cite the accretion disk of billions and billions of pairs of sunglasses as a contributing factor.") ::: continue 00:30:25 if (*not* rand 10) is one. 00:30:30 <|amethyst> !learn add :beh: {{nick:Grunt}} !glasses ::: $(if (not (rand 10)) "Grunt collapsed into a black hole today. Authorities cite the accretion disk of billions and billions of pairs of sunglasses as a contributing factor.") ::: continue 00:30:30 :beh:[18/18]: {{nick:Grunt}} !glasses ::: $(if (not (rand 10)) "Grunt collapsed into a black hole today. Authorities cite the accretion disk of billions and billions of pairs of sunglasses as a contributing factor.") ::: continue 00:30:37 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:30:50 q??:beh:[5 00:30:50 :beh:[5/18]: You die... ::: $(if (rand 5) $(quote "Save macros?") $(quote "Xom revives you!")) 00:31:04 !tableflip 00:31:09 <|amethyst> Hm, Is $(quote) needed? 00:31:12 <|amethyst> !cmd quote 00:31:12 No command quote 00:31:17 <|amethyst> !fn quote 00:31:17 Built-in: quote => https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/src/tpl/function_defs.rb#L144 00:31:25 I don't think so 00:31:44 .echo $(quote stuff) 00:31:44 stuff 00:31:49 .echo $(quote stuff more stuff) 00:31:49 Bad number of arguments (3) to quote, must be 1 in $(quote stuff more stuff) 00:32:18 |amethyst: dang 00:32:59 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:33:01 <|amethyst> .echo $(quote ((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))))) 00:33:01 Bad number of arguments (2) to quote, must be 1 in $(quote ($(lambda $(x) $(lis... 00:33:34 !send reaverb $(!function _acquirement_misc_subtype) 00:33:34 Sending http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc;hb=HEAD#l659 to reaverb. 00:33:44 <|amethyst> Maybe I should have it actually maintain a count instead of using rand 00:33:58 <|amethyst> say, every tenth or twentieth pair of glasses :) 00:33:58 the do thing only works when it's in the learndb I think 00:34:09 Kramin: Hmm. 00:34:17 like see {} 00:34:27 |amethyst: ha 00:34:48 you can use a learndb entry to keep a record 00:34:49 Somebody would probably mess with the entry you save the varaible in. 00:34:55 .tvreset 00:34:56 tvcounter[1/1]: n=0 00:34:57 Kramin: Yes, that's how !next works. 00:35:03 <|amethyst> qwqwqwqw 00:35:03 qw-keys activated 00:35:05 !next 00:35:06 The RNG decrees that reaverb shall win KoTm next. 00:35:06 <|amethyst> qwqwqwqw 00:35:06 qw-keys deactivated 00:35:11 <|amethyst> !next 00:35:13 The RNG decrees that |amethyst shall win robotfindskitten next. 00:35:21 !next 00:35:22 The RNG decrees that Grunt shall win Sil next. 00:35:22 <|amethyst> okay 00:35:38 !next gammafunk 00:35:39 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win "the HE species score with HEIE" next. 00:35:50 !lg gammafunk 00:35:50 !hs * he 00:35:50 1493. gammafunk the Vexing (L3 MuAM), slain by Crazy Yiuf (a +2 quarterstaff of chaos) on D:2 on 2014-07-17 02:52:40, with 65 points after 1852 turns and 0:09:36. 00:35:51 he is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use he-- (High Elf) or --he (Healer) to disambiguate 00:35:53 !hs * he-- 00:35:54 173406. PurpleRed the Elven Blade (L27 HESk of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-23 09:48:31, with 37104810 points after 39325 turns and 15:43:48. 00:35:57 dang 00:36:04 !next 00:36:05 The RNG decrees that Kramin shall win HaDK next. 00:36:18 !next 00:36:19 Get your first win first, SamB! 00:36:20 <|amethyst> found it, it was a cyan / 00:36:32 * SamB won robotfindskitten already! 00:37:12 ??~Kramin_next 00:37:12 ~Kramin next[1/1]: HaDK 00:37:18 aah, I see 00:37:37 ??~SamB next 00:37:37 I don't have a page labeled ~SamB_next in my learndb. 00:38:58 !learn s ~Kramin_next a game with Ru 00:38:58 ~Kramin next[1/1]: a game with Ru 00:39:03 !next Kramin 00:39:05 Subcommand $(!lg Kramin char=a game with Ru won fmt:"x") failed: No keyword 'with' in $(= x $(!lg ${n} char=${c} w... in $(has_won ${p} $(entry ~${p}... in $(if $(has_won ${p} $(entry ... in $(concat $(if $(has_won ${p}... in $(do $(if $(= 0 $(entrylengt... in $(if $(= ${c} XXXX) Get your... in $(if $(= ${channel} msg) Thi... in $(no_pm $(let (p ${1:-${user... 00:39:21 dang 00:39:26 Hmm. 00:39:34 quotes maybe? 00:39:34 more quoting? 00:39:38 <|amethyst> !learn add ~SamB_next at running, football, arson, weddings, and art 00:39:38 ~SamB next[1/1]: at running, football, arson, weddings, and art 00:39:49 !learn s ~Kramin_next "a game with ru" 00:39:49 ~Kramin next[1/1]: "a game with ru" 00:39:52 !next Kramin 00:39:53 The RNG decrees that Kramin shall win "a game with ru" next. 00:40:06 <|amethyst> ah 00:40:10 !learn e ~Kramin_next s/r/R/ 00:40:10 ~Kramin next[1/1]: "a game with Ru" 00:40:30 now needs unquoting ... 00:40:40 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:42 !learn s ~reaverb_next (a game with Ru) 00:40:42 ~reaverb next[1/1]: (a game with Ru) 00:40:48 !next reaverb 00:40:49 Subcommand $(!lg reaverb char=(a game with Ru) won fmt:"x") failed: Broken query near ') won fmt:"x"' in $(= x $(!lg ${n} char=${c} w... in $(has_won ${p} $(entry ~${p}... in $(if $(has_won ${p} $(entry ... in $(concat $(if $(has_won ${p}... in $(do $(if $(= 0 $(entrylengt... in $(if $(= ${c} XXXX) Get your... in $(if $(= ${channel} msg) Thi... in $(no_pm $(let (p ${1:-${user... 00:40:57 mmm 00:41:05 <|amethyst> !learn e ~reaverb_next[1] s/.*/a_game_with_Ru/ 00:41:05 ~reaverb next[1/1]: a_game_with_Ru 00:41:09 <|amethyst> does that work? 00:41:14 !next reaverb 00:41:15 <|amethyst> !next reaverb 00:41:15 The RNG decrees that reaverb shall win a_game_with_Ru next. 00:41:16 The RNG decrees that reaverb shall win a_game_with_Ru next. 00:41:18 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:41:19 yeah, but underscores 00:41:21 <|amethyst> sadly no 00:41:28 !learn edit ~reaverb_next s/_//g 00:41:29 ~reaverb next[1/1]: agamewithRu 00:41:33 whoops 00:41:37 <|amethyst> !learn e ~reaverb_next[1] s/.*/agamewithRu/ 00:41:37 ~reaverb next[1/1]: agamewithRu 00:41:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:41:42 mmm 00:41:43 <|amethyst> !next reaverb 00:41:43 !next reaverb 00:41:44 The RNG decrees that reaverb shall win agamewithRu next. 00:41:45 The RNG decrees that reaverb shall win agamewithRu next. 00:42:04 <|amethyst> !learn del ~SamB_next 00:42:05 Deleted ~SamB next[1/1]: at running, football, arson, weddings, and art 00:42:56 <|amethyst> !learn add |amethyst's favourite unicode character! 00:42:56 [1/1]: |amethyst's favourite unicode character! 00:43:54 ?? 00:44:05 non-breaking space? 00:44:06 <|amethyst> ?? 00:44:12 <|amethyst> hm 00:44:13 ?? 00:44:17 <|amethyst> !learn q 00:44:17 [1/1]: |amethyst's favourite unicode character! 00:44:25 <|amethyst> ?? 00:44:27 <|amethyst> odd 00:44:37 <|amethyst> Basil: yes :) 00:45:06 !next 00:45:07 The RNG decrees that Kramin shall win "a game with Ru" next. 00:45:13 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:41 !learn s ~Kramin_next a\sgame\swith\sRu 00:45:41 ~Kramin next[1/1]: a\sgame\swith\sRu 00:45:48 !next 00:45:49 The RNG decrees that Kramin shall win a\sgame\swith\sRu next. 00:46:08 !learn s ~Kramin_next a game with Ru 00:46:08 ~Kramin next[1/1]: a game with Ru 00:46:12 !next Kramin 00:46:13 Subcommand $(!lg Kramin char=a game with Ru won fmt:"x") failed: No keyword 'with' in $(= x $(!lg ${n} char=${c} w... in $(has_won ${p} $(entry ~${p}... in $(if $(has_won ${p} $(entry ... in $(concat $(if $(has_won ${p}... in $(do $(if $(= 0 $(entrylengt... in $(if $(= ${c} XXXX) Get your... in $(if $(= ${channel} msg) Thi... in $(no_pm $(let (p ${1:-${user... 00:46:25 !learn mv ~reaverb_next ~Kramin_next 00:46:25 ~Kramin_next exists, cannot overwrite it. 00:46:29 !learn e ~Kramin_next s/.*/a Halfling Death Knight/ 00:46:31 ~Kramin next[1/1]: a Halfling Death Knight 00:46:34 !next 00:46:36 Subcommand $(!lg Kramin char=a Halfling Death Knight won fmt:"x") failed: No keyword 'Death' in $(= x $(!lg ${n} char=${c} w... in $(has_won ${p} $(entry ~${p}... in $(if $(has_won ${p} $(entry ... in $(concat $(if $(has_won ${p}... in $(do $(if $(= 0 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02:12:39 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 02:14:49 Granite statues are not stone walls 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8804 by FishServ 02:18:05 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:20:20 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2139-g05c403e (34) 02:20:23 <|amethyst> hm 02:20:44 <|amethyst> I definitely need to add save backup to webtiles :) 02:25:31 <|amethyst> ..#@ 02:25:36 <|amethyst> K.8. 02:25:56 <|amethyst> That position complains about the wall rather than the statue 02:33:08 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:35:46 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 02:40:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:41:04 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:52:18 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:58:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:01 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:43 -!- Kvaak_ is now known as Kvaak 03:10:14 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2140-gbaffb6d: Make blocked beams fall back to visible paths if possible (#8804). 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=baffb6df9d99 03:11:40 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:14:42 -!- ruwin has quit [] 03:19:10 For mu of Gozag, wouldn't it be better to just not offer potion petition at $100? 03:19:31 I'm not sure if there is a minimum on the non-porridge petition 03:19:50 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 03:21:01 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:50 Duvessa picks up a lumpy white potion. 03:25:01 I thought this wasn't supposed to happen 03:26:56 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:38 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:36:51 Glitch if it's under a stack or something. 03:37:30 Well, I recall people discussing an issue regarding monster's picking up items the player had seen but had then been covered 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(Zot (ZotDef)) 06:21:10 BluebellGnoll (L16 TrHu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster harpy zombie failed to pathfind to (39,56) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 06:25:54 -!- djetty has quit [Quit: rip] 06:26:30 -!- eb_ has quit [] 06:29:10 -!- tolly has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:30:12 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:33:03 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:34:15 !nick elynae 06:34:15 Mapping elynae => elynae elynaeandxom hyperelynae danceswithwargs mossforestblossombat cretiantourist dwarfmountainbat huckleberryfinn phasebat mossforthemossgod sugarplumbat elynaeisdiving nacreous cerebovssquire thisissparta marquisronove ghostfacedbat fruitybat dissolution johnmilton ennui cang leotrogsky ultraelynae elynaedreamselectric halfanhour bfbat9000 danceswithpillars nietzchei kikugaar... 06:34:26 !gkillratio elynae 06:34:30 elynae's ghost wins 12.25% of battles. 06:34:32 !gkillratio2 elynae 06:34:35 elynae's ghost wins 12.69% of battles. 06:35:04 BluebellGnoll (L17 TrHu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster oklob sapling failed to pathfind to (39,56) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 06:35:56 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:36:33 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:41:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:43:36 !cmd gkillratio 06:43:36 Command: !gkillratio => =gkillratio.helper2 $(name_fixup $1) $(=target ${2:-*}) $* 06:43:52 !cmd gkillratio =gkillratio2.helper2 $(name_fixup $1) $(=target ${2:-*}) $* 06:43:52 Redefined command: !gkillratio => =gkillratio2.helper2 $(name_fixup $1) $(=target ${2:-*}) $* 06:44:21 This should work, but is easily reverted if it doesn't 06:44:35 !cmd -rm gkillratio2 06:44:35 Deleted command: !gkillratio2 => =gkillratio2.helper2 $(name_fixup $1) $(=target ${2:-*}) $* 06:45:09 The previous gkillratio command did not take nick mapping into account 06:46:41 I don't know if anyone is actually reading this, but I thought I should record any changes I made to those commands 06:47:56 nice 06:48:09 BluebellGnoll (L17 TrHu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster plant failed to pathfind to (39,56) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 06:48:25 BluebellGnoll (L16 TrHu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster plant failed to pathfind to (39,56) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 06:49:12 !nick Patashu_ 06:49:13 Mapping patashu_ => patashu 06:49:15 !nick Patashu 06:49:16 Mapping patashu => patashu patashucore hyperpatashu 06:49:33 !gkillratio patashu 06:49:40 patashu's ghost wins 5.882% of battles. 06:49:42 !gkillratio patashu_ 06:49:47 patashu_'s ghost wins 5.882% of battles. 06:49:51 ok, good 06:50:23 BluebellGnoll (L17 TrHu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster plant failed to pathfind to (39,56) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 06:50:51 BluebellGnoll (L16 TrHu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster plant failed to pathfind to (39,56) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 06:50:52 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:51:28 -!- crate_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:51:40 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:07 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Client Quit] 06:59:55 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:02:40 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:56 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:18:52 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:08 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:35:04 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: fk u in the coffee...] 07:35:14 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:21 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:49:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:14 hm, SH is in red whiel confused even if you have 0 sh 08:02:20 s/el/le/ 08:02:47 not necessarily a bug 08:02:52 it's telling you 'yo, SH doesn't work while confused' 08:02:58 this is useful to know even if you don't have a shield yet 08:03:27 well, i do have a shield, it just has enough - that i have no sh 08:03:56 the worst shield 08:04:10 what if you have negative SH? 08:04:17 does it get set to 0? 08:04:21 really it's not a shield, it's just a shield handle that you imagine has a shield attached 08:04:23 Kramin: yes 08:04:33 they have the same gameplay effect though 08:04:35 negative defences are equivalent to 0 08:05:00 but does it display as zero all the time? 08:05:07 no, it displays as negative 08:05:13 it just acts like 0 08:05:17 you can see it whenever someone gets super corroded in slime 08:05:19 even when confused? 08:05:21 their ac just gets arbitrarily negative 08:05:25 !lg * min=ac x=ac 08:05:28 3410156. [ac=-85] valor the Cleaver (L10 HOFi of Okawaru), splashed by a jelly's acid on D:8 on 2014-06-22 12:55:48, with 5835 points after 9729 turns and 0:25:39. 08:05:30 check this out 08:05:31 good ac 08:05:52 hey, if you reach -328 or whatever AC does it overflow and give you mega AC? 08:06:01 and then never rest and you keep it forever 08:06:05 this would be a good 'secret tech' 08:06:06 -!- scj643 has quit [Client Quit] 08:06:16 -!- absolutego has left ##crawl-dev 08:06:31 what I mean is if you have - SH and are confused it might go to 0, which is not an actual change to your defenses but would be wierd anyway 08:07:25 (I don't know if this actually happens, I just suspect it might) 08:07:27 well, if your shield is so bad that it would hypothetically help enemies attack you if it actually worked like that, then when confused it would stop doing that, right 08:07:28 (hypothetically) 08:08:41 imo, the ac/ev/sh display should be cutoff at 0 and not go lower 08:10:02 that would be confusing too probably 08:12:04 not really, displaying a -5 gives the impression that -5 is worse than 0, which is wrong 08:12:11 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:29 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:33 displaying the negative shows you how far below 0 you are 08:12:34 i didn't say that the current way isn't confusing also! 08:12:41 which matters if, for example, you try to cast a buff that increases that stat 08:12:51 ok 08:12:52 why not do this 08:12:54 if it's negative 08:12:57 display it as -whatever (0) 08:13:00 so it's like 08:13:06 'wow this is low as fuck, but it's really just 0' 08:13:08 ? 08:13:34 and also make it dark gray when it's 0 or below maybe 08:13:51 i dunno if there's space for a (0) 08:14:04 there's a ton of room in console 08:14:08 do you mean webtiles there's less room? 08:14:19 i thought ac/ev/sh were crammed in 08:14:28 probably just misremembering 08:14:35 nope, there's tons of room in webtiles too 08:14:36 all the room 08:15:11 probably better to display: 0 (-val) 08:15:26 yeah 08:15:28 you're right about that 08:20:23 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:24:02 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 08:25:25 hm, how do i get the player's species' dummy monster 08:27:11 player_species_to_mons_species 08:27:22 ah, yeah, just found that 08:28:13 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:23 <|amethyst> you might want player_mons instead depending on how you want to handle transformations and orc/ogre classes 08:28:59 <|amethyst> (hill orcs are priests or high priests if they worship Beogh; and ogres are ogre magi if their best skill is magic) 08:29:11 hm 08:29:25 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:29:43 <|amethyst> player_mons(false) will handle the special-case classes but not transformations 08:31:26 mm, okay 08:31:34 this shouldn't be too hard then 08:41:18 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:41:37 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:41:56 -!- a9qd0wf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:50:07 -!- Gnam has quit [Client Quit] 08:54:40 -!- Wolfram_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:59:38 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:04:33 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:04:42 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 09:06:06 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:38 -!- Zermako has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:22:40 -!- Zermako2 is now known as Zermako 09:25:37 -!- fdr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:31:16 -!- Daekdroom has quit [*.net *.split] 09:31:47 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:29 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:17 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:40:12 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:42:07 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:44:34 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:57 PleasingFungus: didn't http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=46035ab81287c81c543efc69fc0f307ed19234f5 make changes to ranged accuracy, or is that unrelated? 09:46:29 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:48:32 -!- Isha is now known as ishanyx 09:48:57 it did not 09:49:42 it was possible that the tracer for ranged attacks (warning you if you were firing towards a friendly/unaware enemy/etc) would "miss" the target & not give a warning 09:51:01 Ah, gotcha 09:51:03 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53:15 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:55 -!- Dixlet_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:30 -!- ystael has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:54:35 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 09:58:31 -!- Kvaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:31 -!- ishanyx has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:01:33 -!- Isha is now known as ishanyx 10:02:38 -!- Zermako has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:38 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:38 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:38 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:39 -!- asema has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:39 -!- Cryp71c has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:39 -!- joy1999 has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:39 -!- Sose has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:41 -!- somebody1 has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:41 -!- Aryth has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:41 -!- Dixlet has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:42 -!- Kvaak has quit [*.net *.split] 10:02:42 -!- Surr has quit [*.net *.split] 10:03:40 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2141-ge2d3cf6: Use correct stats for reflected range attacks (#8794) 10(2 minutes ago, 5 files, 33+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2d3cf676d58 10:03:42 <|amethyst> Keep an eye out for bad blame messages etc there 10:03:42 <|amethyst> err 10:03:42 <|amethyst> here 10:03:42 -!- us17_ is now known as us17 10:03:42 <|amethyst> (wait for chei) 10:03:49 -!- us17 has quit [Changing host] 10:04:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 10:04:49 !tell wheals %git 610c62a0798 - it only displays in red if you actually have a shield of some sort (even if your sh is somehow 0 i guess, yeah) 10:04:49 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:06:19 !tell wheals i guess actually that commit didn't even change that behaviour either way 10:06:19 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:08:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:08:22 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:33 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:16:21 -!- Kvaak_ is now known as Kvaak 10:17:42 is tileidx_t not just an int? 10:18:06 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: it is a uint64_t 10:19:27 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: int isn't big enough for all the flags 10:22:42 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:25:20 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 10:29:09 mm, got it 10:29:42 okay, would someone mind looking through this patch really quick to see if i did something stupid? 10:29:49 it works but i feel like i'm on shakey ground 10:32:13 throw it up! 10:32:16 I mean, onto the internet 10:32:21 not like on the ground or something 10:37:29 http://pastie.org/9400114 10:37:33 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:38:33 i fixed that one blank line i deleted accidentally 10:39:12 looks fine to me 10:40:47 neat 10:42:20 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:42:24 !git :/ocument 10:42:24 %git :/ocument 10:42:24 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2136-geb334f1: Document a function 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb334f11d024 10:42:27 might need more changes to work in webtiles? idk how that works but I know there's some duplication 10:43:11 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:43:18 i -think- it should work in webtiles, since it's placed before anything goes to javascript 10:43:34 i have no way to test it, so if not i'll try and fix it later 10:43:46 aight 10:44:02 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:10 basically i followed the way lichform works 10:45:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140716030202]] 10:49:27 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-2142-g5060280: Add an option to show player as a monster tile 10(17 minutes ago, 6 files, 24+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=50602807d25a 10:49:28 -!- tswett has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:51:36 ontoclasm: yes, as long as you only modify tilepick-*, no webtiles changes should be necessary (and so the write_webtiles_options addition is superfluous too) 10:52:16 Hi edlothiol :) 10:53:09 Hi gammafunk 10:53:49 Grunt: hi ;) 10:56:30 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:56:59 edlothiol: ah, i wasn't sure what that function was doing so i erred on the side of caution 10:57:03 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 10:57:11 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:30 ontoclasm: yeah, it just sends the options the client needs 10:59:32 eventually i'm going to try and get this to show the weapon/shield on monsters that support it (everything except trolls afaik) 10:59:51 -!- LordSloth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:01:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:36 MrDespairSA (L12 DDBe) ASSERT(a) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 702 failed. (No actor in stationary net at (47,46)) (D (Sprint)) 11:02:24 ontoclasm: are you going to post to the SA thread that you added the option they were asking for? :) 11:02:34 because, I mean. probably someone should 11:02:49 hah, i guess i should 11:03:34 -!- negatendo has quit [Client Quit] 11:04:49 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-2143-g0cc14ab: Don't copy an option unnecessarily 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cc14ab861c7 11:05:27 Options.tile_show_ontoclasm 11:05:58 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:19 ah fucksauce 11:06:27 i suck forever 11:06:39 !learn add ontoclasm i suck forever 11:06:39 ontoclasm[16/16]: i suck forever 11:06:41 <_< 11:07:42 rip 11:07:47 yeah rip 11:08:15 !learn edit ontoclasm[16] s/.*/ ah fucksauce i suck forever/ 11:08:15 ontoclasm[16/16]: ah fucksauce i suck forever 11:08:21 gotta get that in there 11:08:43 dang 11:15:10 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:15:31 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:15:35 i really need to switch to linux :/ 11:15:51 You haven't??? 11:15:53 rip 11:18:55 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:19:18 I wonder what happened to chrome os 11:19:22 is that still a thin? 11:19:24 *g 11:19:56 It is! 11:20:20 Look for a Chromebook the next time you're out and about for a sense of the current state of affairs. 11:20:41 out and about...? 11:20:52 looking for these sorts of things 11:20:56 !send outside PleasingFungus 11:20:56 Sending PleasingFungus to outside. 11:20:56 would this involve leaving the computer? 11:20:57 <_< >_> 11:21:10 I don't know if I like the sound of this. 11:21:35 * Grunt gestures. PleasingFungus is cast outside! 11:21:41 * PleasingFungus convulses! 11:21:52 * PleasingFungus is burned terribly! 11:23:15 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:22 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:25:00 -!- nooodl__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:12 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-2144-g51de978: Dewindowsificate. 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=51de978abb0e 11:25:29 BOM 11:25:35 ontoclasm: you missed the opportunity for a BOM joke 11:25:37 imo there should be a BOM :beh: 11:25:38 I will never forgive you :( 11:25:51 %git HEAD^{/BOM} 11:25:52 07ontoclasm02 * 0.14-a0-2431-g1d11b85: Drop the BOM 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d11b85fce16 11:25:55 %git HEAD^{/BOM}^^{/BOM} 11:25:55 07|amethyst02 * 0.13-a0-2979-gb6a86b3: What do you mean I can't say "BOM" on an airplane? 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6a86b3bbb58 11:26:12 but he made the last BOM joke, so surely it's okay? 11:26:13 %git HEAD^{/BOM}^^{/BOM}^^{/BOM} 11:26:14 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-1677-g213b1b4: Let checkwhite eradicate BOMs it finds. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=213b1b475fc0 11:26:16 no 11:26:19 It's unforgivable!!! 11:26:19 !hs BeoghTakeTheWheel 11:26:20 No games for BeoghTakeTheWheel. 11:26:28 wtf 11:26:32 who registers just to sit in webtiles chat??? 11:26:52 !lm beoghtakethewheel 11:26:52 No milestones for beoghtakethewheel. 11:26:54 ... 11:27:05 dwi 11:27:42 too strong 11:28:33 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:33:20 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:59 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 11:37:17 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:45 -!- nooodl__ is now known as fcrawl 11:39:09 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:33 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 11:42:58 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:48:19 !messages 11:48:19 No messages for TZer0. 11:48:36 !tell TZer0 This is a message. 11:48:36 Grunt: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 11:50:29 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:54:03 -!- fcrawl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:23 -!- boat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:58:02 -!- mizu_no__ has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:58:44 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:50 <|amethyst> !crashlog MrDespairSA 11:58:51 No milestones for MrDespairSA (crash). 11:58:54 <|amethyst> !crashlog MrDespairSA sprint 11:58:55 1. MrDespairSA, XL12 DDBe, T:2106 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/MrDespairSA/crash-MrDespairSA-20140717-160129.txt 11:59:36 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:00:01 <|amethyst> Grunt: not related to the crash, but "Trog accepts your collateral annihilate!" 12:00:56 stop turning me into a pig kirke 12:00:57 |amethyst: people are amused by that too much for me to want to do anything with it :) 12:00:59 this is annoying 12:01:37 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:38 -!- LordSloth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:38 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:13 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:13:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14:30 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2144-g51de978 (34) 12:42:55 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:44:17 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:17 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:44:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:45:21 -!- Zermako2 has quit [] 12:49:38 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:09 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:00:49 -!- GrFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:04:43 Grunt: <3 13:11:19 -!- rephenryclay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:39 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:59 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:26:49 I have a question about spell accuracy. I think it would be easiest to talk about an example, for example iron shot. I'm trying to understand how spell accuracy is calculated. From what I have read there are four variables that go into the calculation: spell power, adder, mult_num, and mult_denom. In beam.cc the file tohit_calculator returns a number based on these variables. Using the example of iron shot (from zap-d 13:26:57 7, 1, 15 13:27:13 -!- Wahaha has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:26 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:27:31 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:27:39 What does the number that tohit_calculator produces mean? 13:27:56 Is it just a percentage out of 100? 13:28:02 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:28:09 You got kind of cut off there - you said "from zap-da" and then ran out of characters. 13:28:11 !source tohit_calculator 13:28:12 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l342 13:28:47 Yeah, sorry about that. Hopefully you can understand what I mean. 13:30:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:31:01 To clarify, tohit_calculator takes in 7, 1, 15 as well as spell power. It returns "return adder + pow * mult_num / mult_denom." Is this number just a percentage accuracy? 13:31:16 For the example of IRON_SHOT that is 13:31:50 it is probably an accuracy value that is rolled against the defender's EV score. 13:31:55 if I was going to guess. 13:33:31 Ahhhhhh, that would make sense! I was hoping to generate a graph showing how iron shot's accuracy increased as a function of spell power, but it would be much harder with two variables. 13:36:00 -!- tinybat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:36:18 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39:48 -!- jefkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:16 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:30 Where is the "skill" method that random2(you.skill(SK_INVOCATIONS, 8)), 80); calls defined? 13:48:45 Or a better question might be: How can I find things like that? 13:48:58 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:49:23 "you" is class player, so you'd want player::skill() 13:49:27 in that case, you'd grep for "player::skill" damn it grunt 13:49:30 Thank you :) 13:49:35 PleasingFungus: hi... 13:50:20 I've done some C and C++ but only functional stuff not OO so :v 13:50:45 :) 13:51:40 so you're not object-oriented-oriented 13:51:44 quite yet 13:52:33 No grunt[$ ?? 13:52:55 I only employ the glasses if it's short and to the point :b 13:52:58 OOO is a bit unwieldy for that! 13:58:58 -!- rephenryclay has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:02:22 -!- vede has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11:52 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:11:55 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:15 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:38 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:17:17 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19:56 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:20:37 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:59 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:26:35 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:37 -!- Behavioral has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:26:50 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:24 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:36:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:15 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:36 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:41:43 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:41:58 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:58:34 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:58 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:59:57 !tell Grunt i was thinking we should look at the crypt spawn table before 0.15 to adjust for the shortening 14:59:57 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 15:00:25 !tell Grunt for example, i think aliches can't even spawn as 8s since the ood cap is 3 and they start at 4? 15:00:26 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 15:02:30 // Who is morally responsible for the attack? <-- good comment 15:02:56 wheals: adjust away imo 15:03:28 wheals: I meant to do up a crypt spawn table spreadsheet shortly after we made that change, but somehow that escaped my attention :( 15:04:16 if I download and compile from git right now, will antitraining be removed? 15:04:23 i my local game? 15:04:25 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:05:33 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:05:44 Grunt: you're the one who understands these things! 15:06:01 i basically just watched the D and V adjustments 15:10:48 ??hand crossbow 15:10:49 hand crossbow[1/2]: It's a crossbow that you can hold in your hand. 11 base damage, 15/10 base/mindelay. Starting weapon for crossbow hunters. 15:10:52 ??hand crossbow [2] 15:10:52 hand crossbow[2/2]: In ancient times, a weapon that could fire darts. 15:11:01 though as for what i'd be thinking of, making c:1 the same as before, c:2 like old c:3, and c:3 like old c:5 i guess 15:13:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:11 though c:$ is an encompass end pretty often i think 15:14:26 always 15:14:28 I think 15:14:33 !lg . crypt 15:14:34 6. wheals the Impregnable (L24 DgWn), slain by an Ice Fiend (summoned by an ancient lich) on Crypt:3 (david_glass_crypt) on 2014-07-06 19:19:41, with 543733 points after 115166 turns and 4:27:19. 15:14:35 shouldn't be 15:14:44 that wasn't! 15:14:47 o 15:14:53 no, there are a few crypt endings that aren't 15:14:55 like mine 15:14:56 well, I've been wrong in the past 15:15:03 it's rare, but possible 15:15:28 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:22 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:18:11 help? 15:18:12 error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge: 15:18:12 crawl-ref/settings/init.txt 15:18:13 Please, commit your changes or stash them before you can merge. 15:18:14 Aborting 15:18:18 i tried make clean 15:18:30 macbook:crawl nickmathews$ make clean 15:18:30 make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. 15:18:41 git stash, then pull, then git stash apply 15:18:52 ah, thanks 15:20:19 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 15:20:25 ...not git stash pop? 15:22:29 i can't tell what the difference is 15:22:44 "Like pop, but do not remove the state from the stash list. Unlike pop, may be any commit that looks like a commit created by stash save or stash create." 15:23:09 it's all git-reek to me 15:24:23 it's "apply stash[stash.size() - 1]" instead of "apply stash.pop()" 15:24:43 (the stash is a stack; "git stash" is "git stash push") 15:24:54 * Grunt smashes the stack!!! 15:25:13 on a related note, I can no longer recognize "stash" as a word 15:25:26 !send PleasingFungus a 'stache 15:25:26 Sending a 'stache to PleasingFungus. 15:25:27 <_< 15:25:51 actually the only difference between apply and pop in this case is that pop drops the stash item after applying it 15:26:02 drops from what? 15:26:07 the stash stack 15:26:15 geekosaur: that's what I said!!! 15:26:17 so, git stash apply => apply and leave it in the stash 15:26:17 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:37 i guess that is a bit weird 15:26:55 pop => apply and remove from stash 15:28:10 and what would be the use of keeping it in the stash after it's been applied? 15:28:36 could apply it to other branches, could be safer in the case that something goes horribly wrong while applying 15:28:51 the latter has happened to me a couple of times. it's distressing 15:29:43 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Quit: Partake of my vision. Partake of my curse.] 15:29:53 (I always git pop anyway, just out of habit) 15:31:10 i've messed up and lost stuff that i stashed before, yeah 15:31:24 (and then recovered it because i applyed instead of popping! but that was only because i didn't know about pop) 15:31:29 ok, so then what's the use case of pop rather than apply :P 15:32:19 saving time when you'd otherwise just "git stash apply; git stash drop" 15:32:23 two commands for the price of one! 15:32:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:33:21 i guess my stash had a lot of stale stuff on its stack then before i deleted the whole directory, then 15:33:28 s/then // 15:33:29 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 15:33:38 yep 15:33:50 I remember when I first discovered screen, and didn't know about screen -rd 15:33:51 does stash stuff just never expire then? 15:33:56 MarvinPA: not afaik 15:34:08 oh ok i assumed it would, like reflog or whatever 15:35:05 the git stash is something that you contribute to manually; it'd be annoying if your old git stashed changes just started vanishing... 15:35:23 true! 15:35:24 I still have stuff in the stash from shortly after I first cloned the repo. not *useful* stuff, but stuff! 15:35:38 not that i would ever want to find stashed things from longer than a week ago but yes 15:36:16 "someday. someday I will apply this fascinating git stash'd change from two years ago!" 15:36:41 indiana jones and the raiders of the lost stash 15:38:54 -!- Dixlet_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:39:10 !send wheals the Arc of the Crawlvenant 15:39:10 Sending the Arc of the Crawlvenant to wheals. 15:39:21 !send Grunt the Arc of the Blade 15:39:22 Sending the Arc of the Blade to Grunt. 15:39:27 ARC 15:39:28 BLADE 15:39:30 !!!!! 15:39:36 * PleasingFungus electrocutes Grunt! 15:39:39 !send Grunt a sword 15:39:40 Sending a sword to Grunt. 15:39:41 !send Grunt a board 15:39:41 Sending a board to Grunt. 15:39:46 The electricity passes harmlessly through Grunt. 15:39:48 !send wheals fire 15:39:49 Sending fire to wheals. 15:39:50 !send wheals lightning 15:39:51 Sending lightning to wheals. 15:40:07 !send wheals wheels 15:40:07 Sending wheels to wheals. 15:40:15 both? the luxury! in my day, we had to share a sword & board across the whole class. and we hiked uphill to the dungeon both ways! 15:41:03 PleasingFungus: Ranged still allows velocity to stack w/ ammo brands, right? 15:41:18 Lasty: yes 15:41:26 yeah, we had a sort of discussion about what to do with weapon + ammo brands 15:41:46 the conclusion: who knows 15:42:21 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:10 ha, fair enough 15:43:21 it's probably a good idea to make launcher & ammo brands non-overlapping. you'd have to change punk, but I mean, it's not like punk has ever had a character beyond "the good sling" 15:44:43 the problem is, then you're left with like three launcher brands. 15:45:13 PleasingFungus feels like more of a target. 15:45:43 wheals feels nimble! 15:45:58 also all of the launcher brands would just be "it's always better" 15:46:11 that is currently the case 15:46:14 so probably having only launchers or only missiles be branded would be better 15:46:35 launchers have elemental brands now don't they? 15:46:38 I'd lean towards the latter, except possibly where artefacts are involved. 15:46:50 (Piercer, anyone?) 15:46:50 yes. 15:46:51 elemental brands are not 100% on launchers anymore 15:46:53 they work like the melee brands. 15:46:58 I'd vote only launchers so that missiles don't take up crazy inventory space, but missiles would give better tactical flexibility 15:47:13 though if you only have frost bolts, a plain xbow is better than a flaming one 15:47:26 quite the "if" 15:47:50 it's kind of silly if you ask me 15:47:53 I personally really do want branded missiles taking up inventory space, as part of my Long-Term "Make Inventory Slots Meaningful" Agenda 15:48:06 I also like brands on launchers, for both artefacts and non-artefacts 15:48:10 -!- defeeca has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:48:19 #define ENDOFPACK 5 15:48:31 #define AXED_MONS(wheals) 15:48:59 #define PleasingFungus (*real_PleasingFungus ) 15:49:18 // WHEALS_BE_GONE 15:49:20 * PleasingFungus feels indirect. 15:49:45 #define PleasingFungus (hallucinogenic_Fungus) 15:51:00 -!- oneeyedjack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:52:21 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:54:45 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:55:57 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:15 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:06 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 15:57:07 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:57:16 !tell Lasty http://pastebin.com/3uyU5byi something awful Ru playtest feedback 15:57:17 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:58:32 !send PleasingFungus a feedback loop 15:58:32 Sending a feedback loop to PleasingFungus. 15:58:32 oh nooo 15:59:06 !tell Lasty I think she's underestimating power leap pretty severely, but she may be right that the magnitude of the sacrifices doesn't quite match the benefits given. 15:59:06 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 16:01:34 !send PleasingFungus power 16:01:34 Sending power to PleasingFungus. 16:01:36 !send PleasingFungus unlimited power 16:01:37 Sending unlimited power to PleasingFungus. 16:02:01 -!- brainwrinkle_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:14 ??objstat[2 16:02:15 objstat[2/3]: Latest statistics: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing 16:02:22 ??objstat[$ 16:02:23 objstat[3/3]: See this post for details: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12874&p=182578#p182578 16:04:55 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:04:55 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:31 how long does objstat take to run? 16:06:52 ~*~*~forever~*~*~ 16:06:57 (I haven't actually tried running it myself) 16:12:58 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:16 I've done objstat for 15 runes, I think it took somewhere between 1 and 3 hours. (on a mac several years old) 16:13:16 reaverb: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:13:33 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:13:43 I wasn't really paying attention <_< >_> 16:13:57 You can tell it's still running by the occasion monster in wall errors though!! 16:15:07 ontoclasm: I guess I should ping you for ^ ? 16:15:37 ? 16:15:51 * ontoclasm is pushed out of the wall. 16:16:05 Since you asked how long objstat runs for? 16:16:18 oh, hah 16:16:18 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:16:40 I guess yes ^ is rather ambigious when there's three messages after the one being referred to. 16:16:51 * Grunt is pushed out of the abyssal rune of Zot. 16:16:58 i was just wondering since i've been thinking about runtimes 16:16:59 ?/pushed out of 16:17:00 Matching entries (2): rare_messages[8]: The ravenous rune mimic is pushed out of the abyssal rune of Zot. | rare_messages[9]: You are pushed out of the long sword. 16:17:19 (i wrote a program that's been runnign for almost 3 days now and is like 70% done) 16:18:01 Ouch. 16:19:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:20:25 ontoclasm: what kind of a program? 16:22:13 i'm working on a graph theory problem about optimizing the diameter of a certain class of graphs 16:22:54 and i set it to work on C_500 x C_500 which is a graph with 250,000 nodes 16:23:12 (this would be the point where I would make a pun about graph theory if I knew anything relevant about it) 16:23:34 and i think it's vaguely O(n^3) so that's 250,000^3 operations which is... a lot 16:23:53 dang 16:24:04 Grunt: Too eccentric for you to know about? :D 16:24:35 I don't know *everything*, believe it or not. :) 16:25:03 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25:43 1learn add 16:27:37 OH 16:27:39 !lg * ckaux=tornado 16:27:40 54. utopianfiat the Severer (L15 MiFi of Ashenzari), blasted by Bruce's ghost (tornado) on Snake:4 on 2014-07-17 18:38:55, with 89378 points after 20976 turns and 1:34:28. 16:27:41 \o/ 16:27:51 Ha, is that the first one? 16:27:54 54 counts of aggravated murder 16:28:08 !lg * ckiller=player_ghost ckaux=tornado 16:28:08 1. utopianfiat the Severer (L15 MiFi of Ashenzari), blasted by Bruce's ghost (tornado) on Snake:4 on 2014-07-17 18:38:55, with 89378 points after 20976 turns and 1:34:28. 16:28:11 \\\o/// 16:28:14 yessss 16:28:18 ahh 16:28:19 !tv * ckiller=player_ghost ckaux=tornado 16:28:20 1. utopianfiat, XL15 MiFi, T:20976 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 16:28:22 Time to update grunt[3 16:28:25 <_< 16:28:30 good war axe 16:28:40 ... was he tabbing into tornado 16:28:51 !lg Bruce snake:4 16:28:52 6. Bruce the Anemomancer (L17 HEAE of Sif Muna), blasted by a shock serpent (bolt of electricity) on Snake:4 on 2014-07-17 11:53:29, with 192654 points after 20504 turns and 4:38:14. 16:28:58 huh, level 17 tornado 16:29:54 ??grunt[3 16:29:55 grunt[3/17]: I'm really looking forward to the point in 0.15 where someone first comes across a tornado ghost. 16:30:19 technically I came across wheals' tornado ghost once 16:30:27 but he killed me with cbl instead 16:30:39 Come on, you know I mean "dies to" instead of "comes across" there :b 16:31:09 PleasingFungus: Was that Something Awful Ru feedback you mentioned eariler from Haifisch by any chance? 16:31:10 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:31:18 it was! 16:31:39 grunt: hence "technically"! 16:35:09 !tell Lasty I believe this is the log of that character from SA: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Haifisch/morgue-Haifisch-20140717-174954.txt 16:35:10 reaverb: OK, I'll let lasty know. 16:35:59 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:05 That char probably should have sacced arcane, she didn't really have many spells in the end. 16:36:40 good armour, though. imho 16:36:52 !tell Lasty There is some other feedback in the logged webtiles chat of that character. 16:36:53 reaverb: OK, I'll let lasty know. 16:37:14 logged webtiles chat???? 16:37:22 oh, huh, so there is 16:37:40 -!- MDvedh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:38:45 ...I think there are literally thousands of lines of logged chat there. 16:39:45 i had a thought about ru's * ability 16:40:03 I copied the log into word processor for referance while I was in the channel, it's almost 5,000 words and that was just when I was online and highlighted everything. 16:40:19 Lasty could just search for "Ru". 16:42:48 you offer interesting advice 16:43:12 PleasingFungus: Does "interesting" mean "bad" ? 16:43:19 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:28 probably just watching people play him is a more productive use of time than reading webtiles chatlogs and expecting that to be somehow useful 16:43:58 reaverb: admittedly 16:46:22 Hmm, that's probably true. >_> 16:46:47 rip 16:47:36 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the shops you find early on have exactly the same selection as shops you find later on. This seems like a missed opportunity as it would be interesting a feel more correct for shops in Pan/Zot etc to have a vastly improved selection, weighed heavily towards artifacts. 16:47:37 (FR: !untell) 16:48:06 !send reaverb untold horrors 16:48:07 Sending untold horrors to reaverb. 16:48:14 PleasingFungus: you are, in fact, wrong 16:48:16 reaverb: would be pretty funny to /msg Sequell !untell foo whenever you saw someone send a !tell :) 16:48:22 PleasingFungus: the items scale with dungeon depth 16:48:24 Grunt: I am quoting! 16:48:27 s/dungeon /abs/ 16:48:43 I am quoting a thing that I found funny 16:48:44 !send PleasingFungus paraphrases 16:48:44 Sending paraphrases to PleasingFungus. 16:48:46 (read the second sentence!) 16:48:52 !send Grunt paratroopers 16:48:53 Sending paratroopers to Grunt. 16:49:01 !send PleasingFungus paralysis 16:49:02 Sending paralysis to PleasingFungus. 16:49:21 PleasingFungus: Well the !tell stores the nick so. "Foo said..." 16:49:27 feh 16:50:56 !send Grunt Zot shops 16:50:56 Sending Zot shops to Grunt. 16:51:14 !send PleasingFungus a loud ZOT 16:51:14 Sending a loud ZOT to PleasingFungus. 16:51:40 tbf, there's no real way for an unspoiled player to know that pan/zot shops don't exist (for all I know, they might exist in some very strange vault!) 16:51:52 -!- hypertraveller has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:51:59 imo Spider and Swamp shops first 16:52:02 <_< ... >_> ... 16:52:13 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 16:52:39 a shop that only sells webs 16:53:22 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:54:54 i miss swamp shops 16:55:44 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:55:57 they sound nice. cozy 16:58:24 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:09 spriggan-sized 16:59:09 imo 16:59:58 -!- IronJack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:45 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:58 swamp has buildings now, it could have shops 17:06:30 well, it has ruins 17:06:39 fr: orb vault with a shop selling the orb 17:08:33 -!- johnquixote is now known as Laurel 17:09:43 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:10:18 -!- tinybat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:11:12 -!- defeeca has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:12:40 -!- Laurel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:12:49 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:17 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:16:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:50 -!- MrPeeps has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 17:16:54 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:15 it was worth 50,000 iirc 17:18:35 that's actually quite doable with gozag, although not in a 3-runer 17:18:55 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:19:21 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-2144-g51de978 (34) 17:23:07 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:23:40 !shopping.cc 17:23:46 !source shopping.cc 17:23:47 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc;hb=HEAD 17:23:54 250000 17:24:20 runes are a mere 10k, "upped from 1.2k" 17:24:34 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:25:42 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:47 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 17:31:59 make a shop that sells the orb of zot for 27 gold 17:32:12 spoiler: it's a cheap plastic imitation 17:33:38 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:34:38 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:05 ...the hideous shriek is the scream of tortured plastic as it falls apart? 17:42:23 squeaky toy 17:42:29 literally the only good thing about the weight system was people picking up the orb and becoming suddenly overloaded 17:42:39 because that's funny as hell 17:42:43 esp. when they didn't notice 17:42:55 rip the special casing I had to do when I rune-ified the orb 17:43:19 yeah rip 17:43:55 hm 17:44:03 !source dat/des/portals/volcano.des 17:44:04 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des;hb=HEAD 17:44:09 1learn insert pleasingfungus[1] yeah rip 17:44:12 I memorized that path. what am I doing with my life 17:44:21 ??pleasingfungus 17:44:22 pleasingfungus[1/8]: oops 17:44:23 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:27 that one's probably better 17:44:34 ??pleasingfungus[$ 17:44:34 pleasingfungus[8/8]: ugh 17:44:50 All you need to know about devs are their first and last learndb entries, I guess. :) 17:45:02 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-2145-gda5fd00: Tloc spell icons 10(3 minutes ago, 6 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=da5fd00df73a 17:45:25 that's the first school that's been done completely i think 17:45:30 dang 17:45:35 so scratch one i guess?? 17:46:02 * Grunt scratches ontoclasm but does no damage. 17:46:44 did you see the dragon breath icons i did 17:46:51 No? 17:46:55 they came out pretty well 17:46:56 %git HEAD^{/Dragon} 17:46:56 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1657-g2d46a37: Remove Bone Dragons from normal generation (KoboldLord) 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d46a37bf275 17:46:59 %git HEAD^{/dragon} 17:47:00 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-2133-ga041b3e: bobbens_ice_dragon_lair edits 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a041b3e6fc90 17:47:04 %git HEAD^{/breath} 17:47:04 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1743-g0816ef1: Make breath weapons not fail before targeting 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 8+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0816ef109522 17:47:07 meh 17:47:25 %git HEAD^{/Breath} 17:47:25 07ontoclasm02 * 0.15-a0-2131-g4fe79cb: Breath ability icons 10(25 hours ago, 10 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fe79cb50092 17:47:27 ah 17:47:28 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fe79cb5009220224481d4a1bc4c7606174509cb 17:47:31 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:47:34 mm 17:47:35 very nice 17:47:57 Reminds me a tad of retrocrawl tiles :) 17:48:06 yeah 17:48:32 i have a thing for monochrome, it's probably bad for me 17:48:37 heh. I like your solution to the "control teleport" problem 17:48:47 !learn add ontoclasm i have a thing for monochrome, it's probably bad for me 17:48:48 ontoclasm[17/17]: i have a thing for monochrome, it's probably bad for me 17:49:11 i have a better solution for the control teleport problem etc 17:49:21 * PleasingFungus removes MarvinPA! 17:49:26 MarvinPA: I dunno; maybe it's better if we 17:49:27 !glasses 17:49:28 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 17:49:30 controlled ourselves 17:49:31 ??? 17:49:31 PleasingFungus: the only winning move is not to play 17:50:03 -!- tali713 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:09 -!- dat0ctopode has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:50:11 probably i will make that a 0.16 thing whenever i can be bothered to redo the patch, anyway 17:50:45 -!- puissantveil has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:45 -!- noppa354 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:45 -!- fearitself has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:45 -!- Datul has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:46 -!- freezerbunny has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:46 -!- Sovek has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:46 -!- Lightli has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:46 -!- DarkEternal has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:47 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:48 -!- mk83 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:50:53 rip pan ninjas 17:50:54 since unsurprisingly it still has all the same problems that it used to 17:51:04 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:05 will you also remove -ctele, or keep it around for cblink? 17:51:16 -!- Lasty1 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:17 -!- mamgar has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:17 -!- eb_ has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:19 -!- Pepe has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:20 -!- eki has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:20 -!- vede has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:21 -!- crate has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:32 -!- rob__ has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:33 -!- OCTOTROG1 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:37 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:38 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:54 ?blink/cblink 17:51:56 being able to remove -ctele is one of the main reasons to remove ctele in the first place imo 17:52:16 but yeah cblink needs some thought, i would very strongly like to not have -ctele levels be a thing 17:52:17 We could always bring back scblink as its own spell 17:52:20 <_< ... >_> ... 17:52:29 ...would that solve anything? 17:52:33 -!- tinybat has quit [*.net *.split] 17:52:34 -!- Sgeo has quit [*.net *.split] 17:52:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [*.net *.split] 17:52:34 -!- ontoclasm has quit [*.net *.split] 17:52:37 -!- lobf has quit [*.net *.split] 17:52:40 -!- simmarine has quit [*.net *.split] 17:52:43 -!- Basil has quit [*.net *.split] 17:52:48 -!- joy199 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:52:58 -!- mspang_ has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:00 -!- vible_ has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:06 -!- dgu_ has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:08 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:15 -!- codehero has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:18 -!- sgun has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:18 -!- Kintak has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:23 -!- jarpiain has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:26 -!- mngrif has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:28 -!- broquaint has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:34 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:35 -!- Deathawk has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:38 -!- Keskital1 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:44 -!- tbuck has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:48 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:49 -!- Nivim has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:49 -!- fortyCakes has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:50 -!- Wensley has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:51 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:55 -!- dougsko has quit [*.net *.split] 17:53:58 -!- _miek has quit [*.net *.split] 17:54:01 (if we simultaneously removed cblink, yes) 17:54:01 dang 17:54:02 replacing cblink i assume? 17:54:09 Yes. 17:54:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- vible_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- Keskital1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:31 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:37 -!- Steampun1Duck has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:54:53 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:53 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:57 is cblink really a Problem Spell? I don't end up using it very often - it's strong, but the investment required is very large... 17:55:04 -!- Mattias has quit [*.net *.split] 17:55:05 -!- ldlework has quit [*.net *.split] 17:55:05 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [*.net *.split] 17:55:24 scrolls of blinking don't require large investment though 17:55:30 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:40 -!- edlothiol has quit [*.net *.split] 17:55:41 -!- neunon has quit [*.net *.split] 17:55:44 -!- Philonous has quit [*.net *.split] 17:55:57 -!- johnny0 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:00 -!- jameyd has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:07 -!- bcode has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:09 -!- minmay has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:14 -!- phyphor has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:16 -!- |amethyst has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:17 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:21 -!- Sizzell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:21 -!- kunwon1 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:27 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:28 -!- Grunt has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:32 -!- _sk has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:33 -!- soundlust has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:42 -!- Medar has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:45 -!- Rjs has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:47 -!- kryft has quit [*.net *.split] 17:56:51 -!- Fortescue has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:01 -!- LordSloth has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:05 -!- Annabella has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:09 -!- NeremWorld has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:12 -!- agentgt has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:15 -!- odiv has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:19 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:24 -!- PsyMar has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:31 -!- G-Flex has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:32 -!- Notipsum has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:33 -!- Porost has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:44 -!- floatingatoll has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:46 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:46 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:46 -!- MakMorn has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:47 -!- tupper has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:47 -!- Ragnor has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:49 -!- alaspooryorick has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:54 -!- Unmovable has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:58 -!- Kalma has quit [*.net *.split] 17:57:59 -!- tw_ has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:06 -!- yuastnav has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:12 -!- Mattias has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:58:34 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 17:58:34 -!- buki has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 17:58:44 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- kryft has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:44 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:45 oh 17:58:58 god damn it 17:58:59 I would reply to that, but I literally can't! 17:58:59 * ontoclasm splits! 17:59:01 -!- bcode has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:59:02 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:59:02 -!- Grunt has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 17:59:03 -!- Grunt_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:04 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:09 -!- Grunt_ is now known as Grunt 17:59:24 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:24 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:24 -!- floatingatoll has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:24 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:24 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:36 marvinpa: scrolls of blinking are rare & single-use, though 17:59:42 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:46 -!- bcode has quit [Client Quit] 17:59:54 -!- bhaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:55 rip 17:59:55 (what'd I miss) 17:59:57 sure but i'm not sure whether allowing every character to blink directly onto the orb as long as you save 1 scroll is good, for example 17:59:59 also freenode is conspiring against ctele removal 18:00:03 yes 18:00:07 (solution: stick something on top of the orb??) 18:00:09 !send Grunt Mega-Roxanne 18:00:09 Sending Mega-Roxanne to Grunt. 18:00:09 (imo defeat the Orb first) 18:00:10 27 Roxanne come into view. 18:00:21 -!- bhaak has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 18:00:31 MarvinPA: is "allowing every player to blink onto the orb" actually overpowered? 18:00:32 -!- bcode_ is now known as bcode 18:00:33 imo the journey through the lung is the hard part, not the last few steps.... 18:01:04 (and of course you'll be immediately surrounded by irate orb guardians if you haven't cleared them out already. and if you have, why are you wasting ?blink?) 18:01:10 if you're not killing anything then being able to always blink past the orb guardians is probably a pretty big deal 18:01:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:01:19 well, ?tele -> ?blink -> pick up the orb avoids a lot of orb guardian fighting 18:01:44 assuming that your ?tele doesn't land you right in the middle of the enemies you've been ignoring, yes 18:02:01 well i mean ninjaing works fine now 18:02:02 also reminder that the orb delays tele 18:02:09 and this would make it substantially easier 18:02:15 so that is definitely a thing 18:02:26 could just make the orb give -tele 18:02:33 mm 18:02:36 orb run difficulty boost 18:02:36 one character shorter :) 18:03:30 anyway i'm not working on this now or any time soon probably but it is definitely a thing that requires thought 18:03:37 sure 18:03:57 but what about my glorious tile 18:04:05 rip 18:04:06 rip 18:04:19 rip 18:04:37 ontoclasm: it'll be in 0.15! :) 18:04:46 haha 18:05:00 gone the way of lamia 18:05:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-2146-gd300ebe: Remove a reference to Lava Orcs 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d300ebef55d3 18:05:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-2147-ged65580: Adjust volcano_overflow 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 36+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed655804b637 18:05:43 dang!!!! 18:05:45 fast response 18:06:05 staring at that vault made me really appreciate epic_bugs[2] 18:06:17 ??epic bugs[2 18:06:17 epic bugs[2/18]: I think I may have just played one of these (like a gnoll castle, but with draconians). Is it supposed to have 200-300 draconians? Or is there an error with the monster generation? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4101 18:06:20 mmmmmm 18:06:27 so much l/1 18:06:41 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:43 i have no clue how well the extra monsters plus longer lava timer actually line up there 18:07:56 but it seems better conceptually now at least 18:08:04 -!- freezerbunny has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:08:50 ya 18:08:54 <|amethyst> hm 18:08:55 and also can't trap you if you decide to deliberately stand right next to the initial lava pool and just wait, which the old vault could 18:09:05 the des also looks nicer :) 18:09:08 -!- tinybat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:23 <|amethyst> I wonder if that volcano could be reimplemented using shoals heightmap? :) 18:09:56 hm 18:09:57 <|amethyst> Igsuiw 18:10:01 heh 18:10:41 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:11:06 ...heh: 18:11:07 ??ugh 18:11:07 ugh ~ gh ~ ghoul[1/4]: Player ghouls have claws 1 (see {unarmed combat}), rN+++, rC+, rPois, and torment immunity. They also rot over time. Eating chunks can cure rot and/or restore HP; these effects occur independently, and are more likely when eating rotten or contaminated chunks. Monster ghouls are quite powerful, have a ton of HP, and rot you. 18:11:19 1learn add goodsequell 18:11:24 rip ghouls 18:11:27 yeah rip 18:11:33 they dead 18:11:46 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:37 how can you have res fire > 3 18:13:21 ? 18:13:41 ontoclasm: rHellfire is treated by monsters as rF4 in some cases, IIRC 18:14:04 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:18 yes, but there's no way to get that anymore 18:15:10 oh right i misread that as >= 18:15:15 i guess it is a djinn thing 18:16:35 (what's a djinn) 18:17:35 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 18:17:40 ??djinn 18:17:41 djinn[1/1]: see {dj} 18:17:49 apparently there is music in crawl 18:17:56 rip 18:18:17 so, disco pan? :p 18:19:26 Some have said that my play is *like* music. 18:19:42 re: beauty, etc 18:20:21 1learn add PleasingFungus 18:20:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-2148-g7f5b64c: Remove a reference to Djinn, too (ontoclasm) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f5b64c0f81c 18:21:11 rip reference to djinn 18:21:23 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:21:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:07 Grunt: I hope you're making notes on all of these for when salamnders are added!!! 18:22:32 salmndr 18:23:03 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:23:18 slamlander 18:23:22 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:24:30 DJ slamlander 18:25:30 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:36 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:15 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:21 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:44:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:02 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:16 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:58 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 18:55:46 -!- soadzombi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:57:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140529030207]] 19:00:29 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:00:43 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 19:01:57 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:44 -!- DarkEternal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:03:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:26 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:19:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:54 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:22:11 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:23:54 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:27:56 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:06 MarvinPA: if ctele/-ctele were removed, would you object to an 'egress' spell that tried to warp you close to a random upstair, perahps with the shortness of the delay before the teleport and/or the closeness to the randomly selected stair determined by spell power? 19:29:06 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:29:25 probably 19:29:57 part of my concern with outright removal is how much more random tele to find an exit it would encourage 19:30:17 since random tele to get closer on e.g. -ctele levels was the more interesting thing 19:31:14 I'm not sure I understand. in what circumstances would people start randomly tele-ing themselves? 19:31:18 i don't see where this would be a problem 19:31:34 PleasingFungus: when they picked up the rune 19:31:39 *a rune 19:32:03 is that a problem? 19:32:06 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:35 well it makes ninjaing thing generally more tedious 19:32:43 by tedious do you mean dangerous 19:32:52 no I mean tedious 19:32:55 i'm not following this logic at all 19:33:01 the hard part is getting it in the first place 19:33:38 I am extremely confused. can you start over from the beginning? 19:33:54 !send PleasingFungus an amulet of clarity 19:33:54 Sending an amulet of clarity to PleasingFungus. 19:33:57 PleasingFungus: it's easier if you've ever ninja'd a rune before 19:34:02 I have!!! 19:34:12 I've had two or three ninja-y games 19:34:13 like, which specific places would this be an issue 19:34:16 ??great near misses[serpentine 19:34:17 great_near_misses[14/14]: !lm SGrunt defe rune=serpentine 1 -tv:<0.5:>1.5 19:34:23 !lm SGrunt defe rune=serpentine 1 -tv:<0.5:>1.5 19:34:24 1/2. SGrunt, XL16 DEFE, T:49348 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 19:34:41 This was the first time I ever ninja'd a rune. 19:34:52 Also a good example of how abusable ctele is. 19:34:54 was 19:34:59 is/was :b 19:35:14 any large level with a rune; I mean I don't think it needs explaining that when I pick up the rune on dis:7 and ctele out, it's less tedium than beginning another random tele train 19:35:18 this seems a lot more dangerous than slowly clearing out the level would've been, tbh 19:35:32 oh 19:35:35 it's old ctele 19:35:36 nevermind 19:35:38 yes 19:35:45 rip old ctele 19:35:51 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:35:53 ripip 19:35:53 seems like not a problem yes, you have to spend more time in hell then 19:36:05 (to hell with gammafunk!) 19:36:17 if hell/pan/whatever isn't threatening, then why are you randomly teleporting 19:36:57 if it is threatening, then why is it a problem to let players do a dangerous thing 19:37:05 whoever said it just wasn't threatening; I mean it's not like you're likely to die whne you can just tele repeatedly of course 19:37:44 this is such a weird argument 19:37:46 I've gotta go 19:38:01 will continue argument when I get back if need be? 19:38:02 makes sense 19:38:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140716030202]] 19:38:31 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:39 !tell |amethyst http://i.imgur.com/JYKScpP.png credit "Humans Among Us" 19:38:40 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 19:38:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 19:39:04 i genuinely can't see what the problem is here, much less how replacing ctele with a spell that's also ctele would solve it 19:40:12 it's not 'also ctele' 19:40:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:40:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:41:16 -!- Phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:45:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:48:14 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2149-gb452ec0: Make projectiles not hit themselves (Humans Among Us) 10(39 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b452ec0a2d4b 19:48:49 oh wow that's good, i missed it in the image 19:48:49 * Grunt hits |amethyst in a vulnerable spot! 19:49:33 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:49:38 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:55 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 19:51:41 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:56:48 -!- dat0ctopode has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:03:34 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:52 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:07:25 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:10:25 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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Thank you! 22:24:49 read: see my post in ##crawl for something that might help 22:25:13 !lm . turns=0 s=sk 22:25:14 151 milestones for Kramin (turns=0): 78x Unarmed Combat, 10x Dodging, 9x Spellcasting, 8x Evocations, 6x Long Blades, 6x Fire Magic, 6x Ice Magic, 4x Charms, 4x Air Magic, 3x Earth Magic, 2x Necromancy, 2x Fighting, 2x Conjurations, 2x Translocations, Polearms, Stealth, Maces & Flails, Staves, Shields, Summonings, Bows, Crossbows, Poison Magic 22:25:36 Ah I should've been clearer Kramin, I want it to write a thing like : if you.starting_weapon() ~= "Sling" then 22:26:00 Maybe I can check the wielded weapon and then set a variable instead. 22:26:40 Yeah that should work I think... 22:26:44 well, I think your highest starting skill is usually in the weapon you start with 22:27:08 unless your apts are super skewed, probably 22:28:38 doing .echo $(!lg .) in pm to sequell gives you basically all the information I think 22:28:55 or a .echo $(!lm .) for milestones 22:29:35 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:10 your starting weapon isn't in there, but the highest skill for the milestone created on turn 0 is 22:30:30 (if you do .echo $(!lm . turns=0) ) 22:30:36 * Grunt skews PleasingFungu like a distribution!!! 22:30:50 *PleasingFungi 22:30:51 Kramin: I want to do it in init.txt 22:30:59 rip :( 22:31:18 oh, that should be possible right? 22:31:23 Well I don't want to do it but some guy in the Crawl thread does and I'm pretty sure you can do it fairly easily. 22:32:01 I don't actually know much about what functions you can access from init.txt 22:32:03 So I thought I'd try to figure it out \o/ 22:34:13 hmm, are variables set in init.txt preserved when you reload the game? 22:34:19 I should probably download the repo so I can grep it. 22:34:48 Also this is probably not the place to discuss I just popped in here to ask :p 22:35:10 eh, no one is telling you off yet 22:35:13 hehe 22:35:31 and it's somewhat related to crawl-dev 22:35:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2150-g4d68560: Make sling hunters autopickup stones by default (Happylisk) 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d68560d1f2f 22:35:59 wtf. I just got a message from the dwarf fortress bug tracker 22:36:04 PleasingFungus: so did I! 22:36:19 I'm curious - was it about the brewing bug? 22:36:22 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:36:22 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 22:36:26 PleasingFungus: I went and looked at the bug and it looks like the guy accidentally poked *everyone* with an account. 22:36:30 niiiice 22:36:40 I didn't even remember I had an account. registered it over four years ago! 22:36:41 Hilarity will no doubt ensue. 22:36:52 re: re: re: please take me off this list 22:42:46 huh. the lua still refers to rN rings as "rings of life protection" 22:42:53 !source ring_types 22:42:54 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc;hb=HEAD#l1948 22:42:57 nope 22:43:07 !source l_item.cc:269 22:43:08 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/l_item.cc;hb=HEAD#l269 22:48:30 -!- read has quit [Quit: bye.] 22:49:17 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:26 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:56 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:58:23 I guess so do the enums 22:59:09 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:47 Grunt: how is that even possbile! 23:16:44 -!- bote has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:25:21 -!- mong has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:16 -!- Shome has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 23:27:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:31:32 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:38 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 23:35:57 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:30 -!- jaumoose has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:15 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:29 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:43:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:43 !cmd whichrace !lg * won recent $(if (> $(length $*) 2) $* class=$*) s=crace title:"${n} recent wins" stub:"No recent wins for $*." 23:46:43 Redefined command: !whichrace => !lg * won recent $(if (> $(length $*) 2) $* class=$*) s=crace title:"${n} recent wins" stub:"No recent wins for $*." 23:48:17 http://sprunge.us/KETd opinions? 23:48:34 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:48:40 ShadowDragon (L1 MfTm) ASSERT(!crawl_state.prev_cmd_keys.empty()) in 'main.cc' at line 3760 failed. (D:1) 23:51:38 !tell gammafunk http://sprunge.us/KETd I made a thing 23:51:39 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 23:52:07 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:23 lol 23:52:33 good timing imo 23:52:44 Kramin: explain how to use your whichrace cmd 23:52:59 it's not mine, I just fixed it 23:53:04 !whichrace warper 23:53:06 122 recent wins: 15x Ogre, 9x High Elf, 9x Troll, 9x Centaur, 9x Naga, 8x Demonspawn, 7x Deep Dwarf, 6x Vampire, 6x Spriggan, 5x Merfolk, 5x Vine Stalker, 5x Hill Orc, 4x Gargoyle, 4x Draconian, 3x Kobold, 3x Minotaur, 3x Ghoul, 2x Halfling, 2x Demigod, 2x Felid, Djinni, Octopode, Deep Elf, Tengu, Formicid, Mummy 23:53:13 o 23:53:20 it wase using s=race, not s=crace 23:53:24 nice 23:53:35 !help !whichrace 23:53:36 No help for !whichrace (you could add help with !learn add !help:!whichrace ) 23:54:45 !learn add !help:!whichrace Usage: !whichrace [role or god] 23:54:45 !help:!whichrace[1/1]: Usage: !whichrace [role or god] 23:54:48 !help !whichrace 23:54:48 !whichrace: Usage: !whichrace [role or god] 23:54:57 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:59 !whichrace fedhas 23:55:00 105 recent wins: 24x Merfolk, 9x Kobold, 8x Vine Stalker, 6x Human, 6x Ogre, 6x Naga, 6x Demonspawn, 5x Gargoyle, 5x Tengu, 4x Centaur, 4x High Elf, 3x Formicid, 3x Felid, 3x Spriggan, 2x Draconian, 2x Lava Orc, 2x Minotaur, 2x Troll, 2x Halfling, Deep Elf, Hill Orc, Octopode 23:55:16 !help !whichrole 23:55:17 No help for !whichrole (you could add help with !learn add !help:!whichrole ) 23:55:36 !learn add !help:!whichrole Usage: !whichrole [race or god] 23:55:37 !help:!whichrole[1/1]: Usage: !whichrole [race or god] 23:55:39 !help !whichrole 23:55:39 !whichrole: Usage: !whichrole [race or god] 23:55:46 !help !whichgod 23:55:47 No help for !whichgod (you could add help with !learn add !help:!whichgod ) 23:55:54 !whichrole cheibriados 23:55:56 279 recent wins: 55x Monk, 46x Fighter, 35x Transmuter, 25x Hunter, 14x Warper, 13x Gladiator, 11x Skald, 10x Necromancer, 9x Arcane Marksman, 8x Venom Mage, 7x Wanderer, 7x Assassin, 7x Conjurer, 6x Ice Elementalist, 5x Artificer, 5x Earth Elementalist, 4x Fire Elementalist, 3x Enchanter, 2x Air Elementalist, 2x Summoner, 2x Berserker, 2x Wizard, Chaos Knight 23:56:10 monk? really? okay. 23:56:27 !whichgod ck 23:56:29 158 recent wins: 115x Xom, 9x Jiyva, 7x Zin, 5x Makhleb, 4x Okawaru, 4x Trog, 3x The Shining One, 2x Lugonu, 2x Nemelex Xobeh, Qazlal, Gozag, Fedhas, Dithmenos, Cheibriados, Beogh, Ashenzari 23:56:43 !learn add !help:!whichgod Usage: !whichgod [race and/or role] 23:56:44 !help:!whichgod[1/1]: Usage: !whichgod [race and/or role] 23:56:53 !whichgod felid warper 23:56:55 2 recent wins: Nemelex Xobeh, Trog 23:57:22 !whichrole felid trog 23:57:24 12 recent wins: 10x Berserker, Warper, Monk 23:57:39 !whichrole fe trog 23:57:40 fe is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use fe-- (Felid) or --fe (Fire Elementalist) to disambiguate 23:57:44 !whichrole fe 23:57:45 97 recent wins: 14x Conjurer, 11x Berserker, 9x Monk, 7x Fire Elementalist, 6x Transmuter, 6x Death Knight, 6x Ice Elementalist, 6x Chaos Knight, 5x Venom Mage, 5x Air Elementalist, 5x Artificer, 3x Earth Elementalist, 3x Fighter, 2x Warper, 2x Healer, 2x Wizard, Necromancer, Skald, Summoner, Wanderer, Enchanter 23:57:50 Hmm 23:58:14 is this sufficiently edge case to ignore 23:58:55 go for it, dude 23:59:04 you got no obligations here 23:59:27 haha 23:59:46 http://wod.wowhead.com/item=116138 hahaha what 23:59:49 wtf