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How many years old is that bug? 01:14:02 prepare for the sequell messages 01:14:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: infinitely old 01:14:18 <|amethyst> well, not quite 01:14:20 <|amethyst> let me find the commit 01:14:39 <|amethyst> %git 21156d0e 01:14:39 07greensnark02 * 0.7.0-a0-1681-g21156d0: [1515] Fix X + [] not reactivating Lua markers after excursion. 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 2 files, 23+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=21156d0e4fb0 01:14:52 <|amethyst> That commit introduced the bug, but it was worse before that commit :) 01:14:56 ha 01:15:14 partial fixes 01:15:14 <|amethyst> %git 2380cbb7 01:15:14 07greensnark02 * 0.3-a0-814-g2380cbb: Fixed crash when using travel to waypoint or Lugonu's Corruption on a level with a Lua marker. 10(7 years ago, 8 files, 37+ 32-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2380cbb78d34 01:15:17 Let me guess, the messages stopped happening at all before then? Also, possibly, the timers? 01:15:20 oh dang 01:15:22 It was inevitable. 01:15:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: level excursions probably crashed; that's what happened when I commented out the activation 01:15:56 o 01:15:58 that's funnier 01:16:00 <|amethyst> or rather 01:16:08 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2112-gb4a2680: Add placeholder tiles for hand/triple crossbows 10(5 minutes ago, 9 files, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4a268013bbd 01:16:10 <|amethyst> encounting the marker would crash 01:16:10 <|amethyst> after an excursion 01:16:24 <|amethyst> the second (earlier) commit I linked added the verbose param I used 01:16:39 i should borrow a motive from this one game 01:16:46 <|amethyst> but apparently all the uses of verbose == false there were removed between then and now 01:17:00 <|amethyst> because this is the only call that passes verbose == false in the current code 01:17:07 huh 01:17:13 good thing no one removed it, I guess? 01:17:17 -!- read has quit [Quit: my router is a piece of shit fuck aaaaa] 01:17:18 <|amethyst> :) 01:17:48 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:18:57 thank god for rltiles/UNUSED, that's all I have to say 01:19:00 <|amethyst> #7617 is still open 01:19:05 !bug 7617 01:19:05 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7617 01:19:29 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20:23 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:22:01 you know how some games get progressively ridiculous as you ascend the gear tiers 01:22:07 Gear Tiers 01:22:09 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/crossbows.png well this game has some really cool looking stuff 01:22:16 idgi 01:22:19 you're blue? 01:22:21 and green 01:22:42 (there were no matching legs in the shop ;-;) 01:22:57 but yeah 01:23:01 i should go rip off that crossbow 01:23:26 http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Avelyn this one, clearly!!! 01:23:57 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:24:08 http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Shield+Crossbow this one is also funny & could be a good unrand if "being a crossbow and also a shield" was actually interesting 01:24:26 ..why did that redirect like five times to different websites vaguely related to the one you linked to 01:24:27 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:30 uh 01:24:32 idk 01:24:33 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:33 I have noscript 01:24:39 requestpolicy 01:24:48 (and noscript) 01:24:58 o. probably bad evil free wikis 01:25:01 (hello and welcome to "it's a pain browsing the 'net" 01:25:30 <|amethyst> "Crossbow created from the soul of the Executioner's Chariot." 01:25:39 <|amethyst> Is a chariot something other than what I think it is? 01:25:55 http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/01/dark-souls-ii-8.jpg 01:26:02 <|amethyst> Or perhaps souls are something other than what I expect... 01:26:43 you get the soul from killing the two-headed horse, actually, so it remains weird 01:26:50 weird fight 01:27:38 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:30:03 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33:14 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:34:19 don't you love it when your tablet driver just randomly bombs 01:34:54 sounds bad, and not good 01:34:58 I've never owned a tablet, though. 01:35:21 well this thing works like a charm 01:35:33 until the driver just randomly decides to not exist 01:35:43 <|amethyst> Bloax: you cast it in advance before each battle? 01:35:48 ugh 01:36:18 and now it demands a reboot 01:36:19 joy 01:36:22 brb 01:36:27 what's that command for starting a tv closer to the end? something with a > or a < and a 0.5 01:36:34 I would look in lg but I'm lazy 01:36:47 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:17 <|amethyst> -tv:<0 starts at the milestone itself 01:37:30 <|amethyst> -tv:<0.5 starts half as close to the milestone as usual 01:37:31 hm 01:37:37 <|amethyst> err 01:37:41 <|amethyst> half as far 01:37:50 !lg * map~~pf_ :<0.3 01:37:50 Broken query near '<0.3' 01:37:57 !tv * map~~pf_ <0.3 01:37:58 Broken query near '<0.3 -tv' 01:38:01 <|amethyst> you still need the -tv 01:38:09 !lg * map~~pf_ tv:<0.3 01:38:10 Broken query near '<0.3' 01:38:12 !lg * map~~pf_ -tv:<0.3 01:38:12 <|amethyst> !lg * map~~pf_ -tv:<0.3 01:38:13 6. gurdl9716, XL24 VSFi, T:41725 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:38:13 6. gurdl9716, XL24 VSFi, T:41725 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:38:19 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:42 ty! 01:38:46 !nuke 01:38:47 FooTV playlist clear requested by PleasingFungus. 01:38:49 !lg * kmap~~pf_ -tv:<0.3 01:38:50 2. DrLGR, XL12 GrFi, T:14257 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:39:28 !tell gammafunk !lg * kmap~~pf_ -tv:<0.3 this is p funny imo 01:39:29 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 01:39:52 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: one problem with that 01:40:04 I guess I should probably add a "2" in there 01:40:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if someone else dies to your vault that query will bring up a different game 01:40:08 just in case someone - yes 01:40:08 <|amethyst> yeah :) 01:40:20 eh. if that happens, that will also be funny 01:40:22 I have confidence 01:40:30 !lg * kmap=~pf_ 01:40:31 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:40:31 2. DrLGR the Fighter (L12 GrFi of Okawaru), slain by a seven-headed hydra (kmap: pf_torpor_hydra) on Lair:4 on 2014-07-09 23:04:33, with 17346 points after 14257 turns and 0:48:08. 01:40:36 !lg * kmap=~pf_ -tv 01:40:36 2. DrLGR, XL12 GrFi, T:14257 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:41:12 these people and their not-gammafunk rcs 01:41:22 p messed up imo 01:41:22 <|amethyst> �lg * max=dur -tv:> 01:42:11 <|amethyst> !lg . ((kmap~~pf_|map~~pf_)) 01:42:12 No games for |amethyst (kmap~~pf_|map~~pf_). 01:42:18 <|amethyst> !lg . ((kmap~~grunt|map~~grunt)) 01:42:19 9. neil the Prestidigitator (L14 VSGl of Nemelex Xobeh), blasted by a wizard (orb of energy) (kmap: grunt_vaults_entry_fortified) on D:15 on 2014-02-11 02:32:09, with 54799 points after 14558 turns and 1:03:00. 01:42:33 I could swear i made a command for this 01:42:36 .pfmap 01:42:38 !lg neil ((kmap=~gammafunk | map=~gammafunk)) 01:42:38 Broken query near '| map=~gammafunk))' 01:42:39 <|amethyst> !lg . !boring ((kmap~~dpeg|map~~dpeg)) 01:42:39 12. neil the Phalangite (L18 MfDK of Yredelemnul), blasted by an ogre mage (bolt of lightning) (kmap: dpeg_vaults_monster_row) on Vaults:1 on 2014-06-13 14:21:47, with 205215 points after 38027 turns and 2:41:58. 01:42:44 maybe I only imagined it 01:42:44 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:53 <|amethyst> !lg . !boring ((kmap~~gammaf|map~~gammaf) 01:42:53 !lg neil (( kmap=~gammafunk || map=~gammafunk )) 01:42:53 Broken query near '' 01:42:54 No games for neil ((kmap=~gammafunk || map=~gammafunk)). 01:43:08 wow this forum sure got boned 01:43:26 <|amethyst> !lg . !boring ((kmap~~gammaf|map~~gammaf)) 01:43:26 the most active moderator is now known as "Guest" 01:43:27 No games for |amethyst (!boring kmap~~gammaf|map~~gammaf). 01:43:41 hrm, any difference between | and || 01:43:48 someone sure doesn't like doom9 01:44:02 <|amethyst> oh 01:44:08 <|amethyst> || works correctly :) 01:44:10 ahaha grunt_snake_rune_spirals has a 10% chance of spawning a rune mimic 01:44:16 they *do* show up outside vault/abyss! 01:44:32 <|amethyst> !lg . ((kmap~~grunt||map~~grunt)) 01:44:33 21. neil the Metallomancer (L25 GrEE of Vehumet), blasted by an acid blob (splash of acid) on Depths:5 (grunt_zot_entry_bicorn) on 2014-07-05 23:42:59, with 534553 points after 74017 turns and 5:14:11. 01:44:40 do they even still show up in abyss, actually? 01:44:40 <|amethyst> !lg . !boring ((kmap~~dpeg||map~~dpeg)) 01:44:41 114. neil the Phalangite (L18 MfDK of Yredelemnul), blasted by an ogre mage (bolt of lightning) (kmap: dpeg_vaults_monster_row) on Vaults:1 on 2014-06-13 14:21:47, with 205215 points after 38027 turns and 2:41:58. 01:44:45 I'm finding this weird thing in the mapstat map building where like every other iteration sees 0 item counts 01:44:48 it's weird 01:45:09 or at least 0 counts for the monster that can never have a 0 count 01:45:39 it looks like the dungeon build is maybe exiting early somehow 01:46:07 <|amethyst> but not a veto? 01:46:10 <|amethyst> hm 01:46:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:46:24 well actually, if that where the case then the Snake counts would have min of 0 as well! 01:46:27 dangit, what is this 01:46:35 probably due to triple-crossbows somehow 01:46:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: imo single-step it :) 01:46:50 hrm 01:47:02 <|amethyst> that should only take several months 01:47:06 I'm just kind of not sure where the dang discrepency is 01:47:33 |amethyst: what happens is that I'm calculating an min based on a per-iteration item/monster stat I reset after each iteration 01:47:53 so if the min of an iteration is lower than the previously seen min, it's the new min, standard stuff 01:48:13 the AllLevels summary is seeing 0 vaules for this special per-iteration value 01:48:21 but the e.g. Snake branch summary is fine 01:48:34 (using the same value, the one that's tracked for snake) 01:48:35 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:06 I encode AllLevels as a special level object with lev.branch = NUM_BRANCHES 01:50:29 it would be easier if I could look at these map objects in gdb, but it doesn't like me specifying the string keys with e.g. p stats["NumForIter"] 01:51:28 <|amethyst> what kind of map is this? 01:51:31 <|amethyst> std::map ? 01:51:37 -!- MrPeeps has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:11 -!- Cerebot has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:53:00 yeah it's map &stats = monster_recs[lev][mi->second]; 01:53:15 monster_recs is the global made in dbg-scan.cc 01:53:20 (in full debug builds) 01:53:44 I can't do p stats["MyField"] in gdb 01:54:02 but I can do p stats[my_field] if my_field is a string with value "MyField" 01:54:12 <|amethyst> does p stats[string("MyField")] work? 01:54:22 I got a syntax error from trying that 01:54:25 <|amethyst> err 01:54:29 <|amethyst> maybe the C way 01:54:36 hrm, maybe that was with a vector, I should try again 01:54:40 <|amethyst> p stats[(string) "MyField"] 01:54:53 ah ok, I'll try that 01:54:53 <|amethyst> (probably that doesn't work either) 01:55:21 <|amethyst> oh, hm 01:56:23 -!- Cerepolian has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:56:41 <|amethyst> yeah, my gdb-fu isn't that great when it comes to dealing with C++ types 01:56:52 <|amethyst> SamB probably could help 01:57:37 -!- Patashu has quit [Client Quit] 01:57:48 I don't know how to make a string; jankratochvil in #gdb might have some help? 01:58:06 do you really need a string though? 01:58:08 <|amethyst> oh 01:58:09 <|amethyst> right 01:58:17 char * is easy enough 01:58:30 SamB: well the map is map 01:58:47 <|amethyst> The string thing is actually in our repo: docs/develop/gdb_tips.txt 01:59:37 (gdb) p stats[(string) "NumForIter"] 01:59:37 Attempt to take address of value not located in memory. 01:59:37 (gdb) p stats["NumForIter"] 01:59:37 Cannot resolve function operator[] to any overloaded instance 01:59:37 (gdb) p stats[string("NumForIter")] 01:59:39 A syntax error in expression, near `("NumForIter")]'. 02:00:18 (gdb) p stats[iter_f] 02:00:18 $1 = (std::map, std::allocator >, double, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, double> > >::mapped_type &) @0x1e7d218: 0 02:00:24 is what does work 02:00:29 where iter_f is a string with the right value 02:00:49 oh I guess I do have the fields stored away actually 02:00:53 <|amethyst> gammafunk: there are probably plenty of global strings to cannibalise :) 02:01:10 <|amethyst> or that 02:01:34 oh, I could change the value of iter_f in gdb, and use that? 02:02:32 <|amethyst> oh 02:02:51 <|amethyst> I just tried that and get the bounds error again 02:03:00 <|amethyst> I guess because = isn't doing the right thing? 02:03:08 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:03:11 <|amethyst> ah 02:03:21 <|amethyst> p init_f.operator=("foo") 02:03:50 |amethyst: I did set iter_f = "Num" 02:04:15 and it worked for accessing the map 02:04:26 -!- sprort has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 02:04:33 but, sadly I can't access monster_recs 02:05:08 -!- Guest87648 is now known as jarpiain 02:05:14 hrm, well it's weird, the min looks right for the Snake branch tally, but somehow the AllLevels tally is messed up 02:07:17 http://sprunge.us/jMdD?diff 02:07:21 is what I have now fwiw 02:07:31 the first patch is just a cleanup 02:08:57 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/tribblecrossbow.png 02:08:57 why.png 02:09:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:21 dang 02:09:23 incredible power 02:09:27 also good filename 02:09:43 oh wait 02:10:03 I think I see the problem 02:10:32 oh btw Bloax http://www.grandhistorian.com/chinesesiegewarfare/siegeweapons-chuangzinu.html this is the inspiration 02:10:35 you don't have to imitate it 02:10:37 just if it'd be helpful! 02:10:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: oh? 02:10:47 http://www.grandhistorian.com/chinesesiegewarfare/images/czn-sg1.jpg 02:10:49 |amethyst: not with gdb, but with my code :) 02:11:17 it's because allevels is treated like a branch, but I do a branch-wide sum as the final iteration 02:11:24 but for AllLevels that's happening twice 02:11:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140702030201]] 02:11:52 this crossbow looks suspiciously like three bows and some machinery 02:11:54 no other branch consists of only a summary, it has to have at least one level, and then a summary 02:12:19 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and because AllLevels isn't a real branch it has no levels so the sum is zero I gues 02:12:22 <|amethyst> s 02:12:42 <|amethyst> makes sense 02:13:19 |amethyst: yeah the first time it hits, it gets the summary, but the second time, NumForIter has been zerod to reinit for the next iteration :) 02:13:25 <|amethyst> btw, I think @crawlcode would appreciate some of the objstat variables 02:13:26 hence min is broken but not max 02:13:36 uh oh 02:13:39 are they that bad 02:13:46 <|amethyst> static map >, NUM_ITEM_BASE_T 02:13:46 or what is @crawlcode 02:13:49 <|amethyst> YPES> > item_recs; 02:13:54 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:13:58 <|amethyst> not bad, just... unwieldy :) 02:14:11 yeah....I almost regret doing this multiple indexing 02:14:15 but I'm not sure what's the best way 02:14:38 oh that FixedVector should probably just be vector 02:14:49 since I don't take advantage of that anyhow and use vector<> extensively 02:15:11 I can't imaging what the C++ for excel must look like 02:18:51 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2112-gb4a2680 (34) 02:21:50 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/tribblecrossbow2.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/tribblecrossbow3.png 02:21:54 no item is complete without silly recolors 02:23:29 -!- tinybat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:35:59 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:46:49 -!- plantmann has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:03:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:06:35 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:07:21 question 03:08:22 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:12:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:51 answer 03:13:48 how come sling damage got reduced (via having sling bullets lose a point of base damage)? 03:14:52 as it stands, assuming you're using a greatsling it's only base damage 12 on a 7 delay 03:16:56 <|amethyst> ??shortbow 03:16:57 shortbow[1/1]: Like a {longbow}, but shorter. 1.1 base delay, 0.5 mindelay. Fires arrows. In 0.15, 8 base damage, 1.3 base delay, 0.6 mindelay. 03:17:13 <|amethyst> ??hunting sling 03:17:13 hunting sling[1/1]: 7-9 base damage (with stones & sling bullets respectively), 1.2 base delay, 0.6 mindelay. One-handed. 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07:13:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:14:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:12 felid can't wield arrows/decks/etc. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8797 by letownia 07:19:28 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:54 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:45 !tell pleasingfungus your can_wield() refactor broke stuff 07:22:46 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 07:23:58 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:24:06 |amethyst: your new vault makes removing blood fountains sadder :( 07:24:51 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:33 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:29:58 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:36:13 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:31 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:40:39 03gammafunk02 07* 0.15-a0-2113-g6b72251: Remove an unneeded objstat field 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 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hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=497b3183606a 10:08:25 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-2122-g296c9a1: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl 10(14 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=296c9a1a2ad2 10:09:18 Another merge commit! 10:09:18 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:09:25 We're going to have to excommunicate you, at this rate. 10:09:54 what the hell what computer 10:10:15 !tell wheals Yeah, I've seen similar shortbow reports from a guy in SA - not sure what's going on there. Possibly the use of actual ammo makes missing more noticeable...? Or maybe there's something weird with ranged code. 10:10:15 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:10:16 i didn't do anything weird this time 10:11:10 do i like... have something set wrong on this computer or something 10:11:25 possibly you don't have it set to rebase on pull 10:11:27 did you lose your rebase-on-pull setting somewhere 10:11:59 MarvinPA: this is my laptop since i'm in europe 10:12:03 so, yes, probably 10:12:05 aha 10:12:15 "git config branch.master.rebase true" should fix it 10:12:38 thanks 10:12:41 i suck :C 10:12:54 pfeh 10:14:08 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:14:54 tbh the only thing I'd actually fault you for is missing a golden opportunity to "Sandblast away stray pixels". 10:16:33 mm 10:16:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hmm 10:17:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think I have an idea re the accuracy thing but no time to check or fix it right now 10:17:33 I have half an hour - can you give me a hint? 10:18:47 PleasingFungus: I also noticed a really large amount of missing on my sling. One I got up to Slings 14/Fighting 10 the amount of misses decreased a bit, but even with all the missing I was doing sick damage. It just means costing extra ammol. 10:19:44 s/ammol/ammo/ 10:19:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: currently ranged attacks work by setting up a beam in the throw code, firing that, and having the beam do a ranged_attack when it hits 10:19:57 sure 10:19:59 -!- Staplegun has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:20:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I might be missing something, but I don't see anything that makes that beam an auto-hit 10:20:08 Is it possible that the beam and ranged_atack each calc to hit 10:20:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so there are two miss chances 10:20:14 ...so it's checking - yes 10:20:15 ha 10:21:42 <|amethyst> setup_missile_beam and setup_monster_throw beam would be two places to check 10:21:54 <|amethyst> but perhaps there are other code paths ? 10:22:20 when spectating in webtiles, does teh display use the player's options, or the spectator's, or what? 10:22:21 <|amethyst> could try setting beam.hit = AUTOMATIC_HIT; 10:22:43 <|amethyst> don't bother with fsim because it goes straight to the ranged_attack 10:22:57 <|amethyst> anyway, I'm off for now 10:23:03 aight 10:23:43 i wrote a program that takes my poor laptop 30 solid minutes to run :/ 10:24:54 ontoclasm: I'm pretty sure it uses the player's options, since I remember people complaining about spectating n1000, whose tiles use glyphs for monsters instead of tiles 10:25:04 mm 10:25:12 good 10:25:20 also hence discorobin 10:25:22 iirc 10:25:38 well, i know it uses the player's in console 10:26:24 anyway, i was just thinking about implementing the monster-tile-as-player-doll thing somebody put in the SA thread 10:26:30 oh yeah that 10:26:43 seems like it wouldn't be hard if i can just ignore the equipment 10:27:05 sure 10:29:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: (back for a few minutes) It's a little more complicated than I thought 10:30:21 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:27 seems like the tracer isn't using AUTOMATIC_HIT, instead using "100" 10:30:30 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I just remembered that the beam missing is what allows it to keep going if it misses the target 10:30:32 yeah 10:30:52 I was wondering about that 10:33:04 <|amethyst> oh wait 10:33:11 <|amethyst> extra_range_used += attk.range_used; 10:33:23 <|amethyst> so I think it does handle that already 10:33:32 so just always make it AUTO_HIT in the throw code? 10:33:50 <|amethyst> with some testing of course :) 10:33:59 pfft 10:34:01 not my style!!!! 10:36:42 <|amethyst> btw, this extra_range_used += 5; when a beam cancels a cloud should be changed I think 10:36:59 <|amethyst> (not related to ranged attacks) 10:37:35 <|amethyst> taking 5 spaces usually ends the beam but occasionally does not 10:37:56 i thought that was deliberate 10:37:57 <|amethyst> I think it would be less surprising to either always end it, or deduct something smaller like 1 or 2 10:38:20 hm, maybe 10:38:54 <|amethyst> There was a semi-bug-report here about that a day or two ago 10:39:08 I'd support always cancelling it 10:39:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:40:07 <|amethyst> (I guess it was also in part caused by a cloud generator re-placing the cloud?): Hey, did anyone intentionally make a change that prevents cold projectiles from neutralizing flaming clouds and instead makes them pass through flaming clouds? 10:40:11 <|amethyst> err 10:40:16 <|amethyst> 10:44:37 ahaha, my test character is pursued by the ghost of qw 10:44:51 anyway, it looks like setting pbolt.hit = AUTOMATIC_HIT doesn't break anything 10:45:06 I'm not sure it *fixes* anything, but maybe? it's really hard to tell if accuracy has actually increased... 10:45:15 <|amethyst> not that hard 10:45:31 <|amethyst> put yourself at XL 1, zero skills, and shoot point-blank at an adder 10:45:54 <|amethyst> a few dozen times, counting the hits 10:48:46 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:49:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:22 hm. seems to be the same accuracy without the 'fix', if not somehow slightly better 10:51:19 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:56:57 ontoclasm: to answer your question from half an hour ago; it depends on the options and whether you're logged in. client-side options are taken from the spectator if they're logged in and the player otherwise. but stuff like the player tile is chosen server-side, so it'd always be from the player's options 10:56:59 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:40 edlothiol: ah, okay 10:57:42 thanks 11:02:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140702030201]] 11:06:55 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:09:04 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:33 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 11:16:48 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 11:18:35 wow, c++ string handling is uhm 11:19:14 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:18 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23:19 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:25:30 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:46 -!- one-of-many has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:26:58 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:33:48 s/string handling// >.> 11:38:07 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:39:36 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 11:42:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:44:35 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:46:20 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:48:39 !messages 11:48:39 No messages for TZer0. 11:48:59 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:50:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:33 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:43 -!- GrBe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07:03 -!- Tenda has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:27 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:42 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:16 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 12:14:22 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2122-g296c9a1 (34) 12:18:30 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:23 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:21:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:58 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:47 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:32:33 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39:59 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:43 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:45:40 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:45:53 PleasingFungus: one last concern i had about ranged combat was making brands make more sense 12:45:54 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:46:04 since it's probably the most confusing thing left now 12:50:30 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:30 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 12:50:30 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:38 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:48 -!- DrinkMachine has left ##crawl-dev 12:56:54 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:58 hm. what in particular are you thinking of? 13:01:13 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 13:01:16 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:36 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:36 -!- Vaporware has quit [Changing host] 13:01:36 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:46 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Client Quit] 13:02:09 -!- Vaporware has left ##crawl-dev 13:02:19 in terms of making them make more sense 13:03:00 I assume what you're thinking of w.r.t current weirdness is some brands stacking (velocity/speed + frost/flame, frost/flame/elec + steel) and others either not stacking or cancelling out 13:04:15 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:10 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:18 -!- hhhh_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:15:06 an old suggestion for that is to have missile brands and launcher brands come from separate sets so that they can always stack (and reduce power as appropriate) 13:15:31 not sure that launcher brands would be interesting in that world though, possibly just only having missile brands would work 13:15:44 or only having launcher brands 13:15:44 minmay: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:15:49 one or the other yes 13:16:02 i think i prefer launcher brands because inventory slots 13:17:32 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:50 So this looks like a mistake in _destroy_wall_msg in beam.cc. 13:19:27 When an orcish idol is destroyed, if you can hear it and see it, the message is "You hear a hideous screaming!" If you can hear it but you can't see it, the message is "The idol screams as its substance crumbles away!" 13:19:36 Seems like it should be the other way around. 13:20:44 !source _destroy_wall_msg 13:20:44 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l884 13:20:54 good thing nobody will ever see that in game anyway 13:21:01 yep, that looks exactly backwards 13:21:11 or if they do they'll be too busy complaining about being hit for 100 by a beogh smite or something 13:21:43 i wonder if anyone has died to that while lrding innocently 13:21:47 or is there a prompt 13:22:12 huh, crawl has code for "what happens when a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to see it?" 13:22:14 who knew 13:23:16 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:48 The more interesting question is what happens when nobody is around to hear it. 13:24:24 well, nothing, apparently 13:24:52 Now, if there were a produce_sound_at function... 13:25:15 it's called noisy() 13:26:28 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:55 I'll submit a patch to Mantis unless someone else is already taking care of it. 13:29:38 godspeed 13:31:09 Some messages in beam.cc are backwards 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8798 by tswett 13:31:18 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 13:38:35 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:47:59 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:48:16 -!- negatendo has quit [Client Quit] 13:48:42 -!- ruwin has quit [] 13:51:04 -!- mspang has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:51:31 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:51:53 -!- purge_ has quit [] 13:52:04 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:55:52 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 13:58:43 Why is the "city" layout so strongly weighted in Elf now? 13:59:03 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59:14 <|amethyst> FR: on the case DNGN_TREE: 13:59:42 <|amethyst> else { msg = "You sense a philosophical debate occurring."; } 14:01:49 hmm the beogh wrath for disintegrating statues doesn't even seem to ever happen 14:06:24 there seem to be something like 6 different ways of deciding whether to assign blame for a beam to the player and i have no clue what the difference is between them 14:08:16 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:11:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:25 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:46 MarvinPA: i saw a tv of someone dying to shatter with an orcish idol nearby 14:13:00 !lg * orc:4 ktyp~~beogh 14:13:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:13:00 5. AnAngryHobo the Metallomancer (L15 GrEE of Vehumet), smitten by Beogh on Orc:4 (grunt_orc_cross) on 2014-06-23 15:43:39, with 68031 points after 32552 turns and 2:03:14. 14:13:16 !lg * ktyp~~beogh 14:13:16 50. HilariousDeathArtist the Nimble (L11 HOAr of Beogh), smitten by Beogh on Lair:1 (nicolae_volcano_entry_hallway) on 2014-07-15 00:35:51, with 12552 points after 20569 turns and 2:12:10. 14:13:26 !log * ktyp~~beogh !ho 14:13:26 33. AnAngryHobo, XL15 GrEE, T:32552: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/AnAngryHobo/morgue-AnAngryHobo-20140623-154339.txt 14:13:50 oh wow good message about eternal hatred 14:13:57 yes i noticed that just now too 14:14:10 very scary 14:14:24 maybe it's broken in 0.15? or shatter triggers it but not /disint? 14:14:35 right, lrd and shatter do it their own way 14:14:36 !log * ktyp~~beogh cv~~15 ho 14:14:37 4. HilariousDeathArtist, XL11 HOAr, T:20569: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HilariousDeathArtist/morgue-HilariousDeathArtist-20140715-003551.txt 14:14:39 it's beams that are broken 14:14:53 ah, ok 14:15:00 (so just disint probably? no clue on iood) 14:16:09 I think iood uses the same codepath. probably 14:16:16 (the same as disint) 14:16:26 !lg * killer~~destruction s=ktyp 14:16:26 5 games for * (killer~~destruction): 5x mon 14:16:33 http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mandarinia2.jpg?w=449&h=404 14:16:34 !lg * killer~~destruction s=killer 14:16:35 5 games for * (killer~~destruction): 3x a rod of destruction [ice] {god gift}, a rod of destruction [fire] {god gift}, a rod of destruction [ice] {god gift, !a} 14:16:38 iood works 14:17:43 i wouldn't have expected it to use beam code but who knows 14:17:57 i think it makes a 0-range beam when it hits 14:19:17 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:22:07 looks like it, and somehow iood does blame you and disint doesn't 14:22:38 does it also blame you if you didn't fire it 14:23:07 that would be a funny bug 14:23:49 i don't think so 14:24:18 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 14:25:11 there's a check for something that looks like it's intended to figure out whether the player did it or not 14:25:55 presumably somehow it fails for disint but works for iood, i'm way too hungry to put any effort into trawling through beam code to figure this out though 14:26:07 so instead i will eat 14:28:46 wow, there are so many things i can remove from the manual! 14:30:33 I have a list 14:31:07 also, can !e !q !r be combined 14:31:12 +acc & +dam (and add a description of +slay), crosstraining & antitraining, burdened/overloaded states, strength giving carry caps 14:31:38 also !W/!P and !T/!R 14:31:52 PleasingFungus, darts!! 14:32:04 only if you combine the actual commands too imo 14:32:05 just two mentions, though 14:33:10 or i guess it's W/R and P/T that should be combined 14:33:22 maybe R and T are the other way around there, i don't even know 14:33:29 yeah you have those swapped 14:33:36 W/P and T/R 14:33:45 wha 14:33:58 no, he means making them like !w 14:34:15 I don't know what !w is, except presumably it's an inscription 14:34:18 "don't wield" 14:34:19 ? 14:34:25 and also don't unwield 14:34:26 right i'm referencing equip_unequip and genuinely don't know which one of R/T matches up with W/P 14:34:55 (W)ear and (T)ake off armour, (P)ut and (R)emove rings 14:34:57 It's Bad 14:35:14 the reasoning is that this helps players realize that one is fast and the other is slow (this is bad reasoning!!!) 14:35:39