00:00:02 :) 00:00:09 <|amethyst> oh 00:00:14 <|amethyst> I could make that simpler 00:00:32 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00:43 ...yes. Yes you can. :) 00:01:10 (I'm curious as to who wrote that original snippet now) 00:01:24 %git 8ee4b09b 00:01:24 07kilobyte02 * 0.10-a0-1732-g8ee4b09: Make &P recreate current level around a given primary vault. 10(2 years, 8 months ago, 5 files, 37+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ee4b09b1552 00:02:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1978-gd449126: Refactor a check to use is_ranged_weapon_type() 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4491263ab39 00:02:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1979-gb938532: Rebalance slings 10(11 minutes ago, 30 files, 118+ 68-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b938532f5e84 00:02:50 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:02:58 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:10 oh. this will break punk, actually 00:03:22 PleasingFungus: so it's been 00:03:23 *glasses* 00:03:24 punked 00:03:26 ??????? 00:03:29 specifically people who have punk in an old save will have no description 00:03:31 also 00:03:32 booooo 00:04:35 -!- its_jenna has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:42 mm. worth fixing? 00:04:50 I would.. 00:04:57 s/\.\././ 00:05:01 (i.e. yes) 00:05:21 could do a minor tag, or slap a "sling Punk" in unrand.txt 00:06:14 anyone who has punk in an old save has already thrown it into lava i would assume 00:06:15 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06:27 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:58 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:44 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:08:01 clearly the minor tag would helpfully implement that for anyone who hadn't :) 00:08:21 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1977-g2e2f758 (34) 00:09:05 Welcome back, PleasingFungus the Halfling Arcane Marksman! Your sling "Punk" catches fire and burns! 00:09:13 v ironic 00:09:15 considering 00:09:40 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:03 -!- eb_ has quit [] 00:12:17 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:08 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:18 -!- Hobbez has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:40 -!- soadzombi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:22:04 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:44 -!- mong has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1980-g6992e54: Make cherubs actually spawn with bucklers 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6992e545427e 00:29:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1981-ga16542b: Make a few more monsters' tiles display their shields 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a16542bcbeca 00:29:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1982-ge0d9846: Add savecompat for Punk's description 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0d9846b1c8e 00:29:53 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:36:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm 00:36:12 hm? 00:36:39 <|amethyst> Punk from old saves is a hunting sling? 00:36:47 <|amethyst> or does that get upgraded 00:36:53 <|amethyst> I forget how unrand changes are handled 00:37:30 the name is the only thing that doesn't change 00:37:41 probably something to do with how inscriptions work? not sure 00:37:53 so yeah the type does get upgraded, the plus changes, etc 00:39:56 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:41:00 uh 00:41:07 ??longbow 00:41:07 longbow[1/1]: Like a {shortbow}, but longer. 1.2 base delay, 0.6 mindelay. Fires arrows. You can get one from centaur warriors (1/3 chance), non-specialist elves (5%), deep elf master archers (100%), or Nessos (100%, flame). Small species (e.g. halflings) can't wield these. 00:41:27 what's the base damage of a sling bullet 00:41:32 ??sling bullet 00:41:32 sling bullet[1/1]: Fire them from a sling. Does far less damage than a stone when thrown. 00:42:23 it's currently 5 00:42:25 was 4 00:42:54 I'm going to expose that through the UI as soon as we decide what we're doing about mulching changes (as in, changing that in 0.15 or not) 00:43:13 those two changes shouldn't be related, and yet, through the magic of @crawlcode... 00:44:02 and what's the base damage of an arrow then, 8? 6? 00:44:06 ??arrow 00:44:06 arrow ~ parrow ~ poison arrow[1/1]: Level 6, range 7 conj/poison spell (Annihilations exclusive), inflicts incredible damage, deals 70% resistable damage and poisons poison-resistant natural creatures; the undead cannot be poisoned but still take some damage. 4d53.75 damage at max power (but good luck getting 200 power). 00:44:11 derp 00:44:18 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:45:33 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:45:56 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:09 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1983-g201bb13: Simplify. 10(46 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=201bb1394833 00:46:09 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1984-g058f559: Allow &Pminivault (Grunt) 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=058f5593ce4e 00:46:09 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1985-gce74838: Fix a quote and add a new one. 10(87 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce7483891fd4 00:46:12 7, but about to be 0 00:46:30 good fix 00:47:42 <|amethyst> btw, something weird I noticed and I'm not sure what's up: 00:48:01 <|amethyst> if you go to Slime:6 and &^R it works normally (you get the rune vault every time) 00:48:35 <|amethyst> but if you go to Slime:6, place another vault with &L, then &^R you get an ordinary slime level from that point forward 00:49:01 <|amethyst> I don't know if the main vault is not being removed from the vault list or what 00:49:47 <|amethyst> oh 00:49:59 <|amethyst> if I do it in Tomb, I get ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 3286: Couldn't pick a layout. 00:50:09 so what's the base damage of an arrow so I can compare a bow to a sling more effectively 00:50:17 Lightli: give me one second 00:50:23 ok 00:50:31 <|amethyst> !source Missile_prop 00:50:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc;hb=HEAD#l368 00:50:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1986-g498a949: De-editorialize 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=498a9494eef6 00:50:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1987-g8234afa: Rebalance bows 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8234afa0721c 00:51:15 oh. these changes may or may not break monsters 00:51:21 hopefully not 00:51:26 (by 'break' I mean 'make horrifying') 00:51:32 oh. also I just broke steel arrows 00:51:38 oh 00:51:46 whoops. knew I was forgetting something 00:51:59 I was about to say you just made regular slings better than bows, but then that happened so 00:52:29 regular slings are actually better than shortbows, with sling bullets 00:52:39 that's kind of odd and maybe incorrect 00:53:35 yeah 00:53:47 -!- floatingatoll has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:41 rip xbows 00:56:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1988-gc550d91: Fix steel arrows 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c550d91459fc 00:58:46 -!- MrPeeps has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:58:46 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:05:57 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:12:48 PleasingFungus: What's happening to crossbows? 01:12:59 Are they getting overhauled too or are they staying the same 01:13:15 they are 01:13:22 but the design isn't settled yet 01:16:19 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:00 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:18:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:59 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:23:41 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:29:53 will the xbow design include arbalests 01:29:55 :v 01:30:09 !send Lightli crossbow-shaped bikesheds 01:30:09 Sending crossbow-shaped bikesheds to Lightli. 01:30:27 I'll take that as "no" 01:30:34 "maybe". "who cares" 01:30:52 imo the top-end crossbow should be the "onager" 01:41:27 -!- dgu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:44:03 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:44:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140702030201]] 01:46:38 hrm 01:46:43 we need to update this at some point 01:46:47 we're getting closish 01:46:53 ??0.15_plan 01:46:53 0.15 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.15_plan 01:47:33 not sure if reaverb got to that weapon brand dist cleanup or not 01:49:01 closhish to.. 01:49:03 0.15? 01:49:52 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:51:33 well I don't mean 0.16 01:51:49 ??0.15 01:51:49 0.15[1/1]: August 2014 01:52:02 the plan is to allow a summer tournament schedule again 01:52:25 since that's far more ideal than when 0.14 (and I think 0.13) was 01:54:34 hmm 01:54:36 yeah 01:54:52 0.14 was right around when people finish school 01:55:02 .13 was right at the beginning of school 01:55:16 but dang, 0.15 comin out fast compared to .14 01:55:27 well 0.14 was too big of a release 01:55:34 and this one already has some pretty huge changes 01:55:44 so we wanted to have a quicker release cycle 01:55:59 yea 01:56:14 0.14 is unplayable now to me with item dest 01:56:25 but i felt the same way about 0.14/0.13 with the enemy summoner nerf 01:59:01 enemy summoner nerf and inventory weight removal were two best changes overal. item dest removal is less big a deal to me even if it was a huge player favorite 01:59:22 I should say best recent changes overall 02:00:08 i dont care about weight.. you still inv manage a lot with the slot limit 02:00:17 and i dont play dudes with no str anymore 02:00:28 but, its convenient at least 02:00:41 and if it had to happen to remove item dest for some reason then whatever 02:00:48 I think you managed it more than you realize 02:00:54 you just notice item dest every tiem it happens 02:01:11 well i havent played a low str char in awhile (save for HEFEs today) 02:01:17 or felids i gues 02:01:21 but inventory juggling was so routine that you kind of phase it out 02:01:40 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:56 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:03:32 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(1) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 02:03:32 %??goblin 02:03:39 weird, s-z.org is slow right now 02:04:10 %git 02:04:11 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1988-gc550d91: Fix steel arrows 10(69 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c550d91459fc 02:06:58 yeah, people in ##crawl were complaining about lag 02:08:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:11:15 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:13:16 -!- joy199 is now known as joy1999 02:13:18 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:13:29 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:15:30 |amethyst: it seems that the szo git interface is down now but not webtiles or the normal apache; I was using the git log search interface when it happened, so hope I didn't cause it to hang :( 02:15:49 maybe I should 02:16:16 !tell |amethyst: it seems that the szo git interface is down but not webtiles or the normal apache; I was using the git search web interface when it happened, so hope I didn't cause it to hang :( 02:16:16 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst: know. 02:16:23 dangit 02:16:28 !tell |amethyst it seems that the szo git interface is down but not webtiles or the normal apache; I was using the git search web interface when it happened, so hope I didn't cause it to hang :( 02:16:28 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 02:16:32 ??doh 02:16:32 |amethyst[1/11]: <|amethyst> doh 02:17:41 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 02:19:31 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1988-gc550d91 (34) 02:19:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:00 gammafunk: seems to be working fine for me 02:22:23 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:22:50 the s-z.org git links? 02:23:04 yes 02:23:05 johnny0: I just get "connecting" 02:23:41 every once in a while i'll get a timeout after a search -- i figure it's something on my end or the routing 02:24:05 johnny0: does this url work for you http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log 02:24:14 yes, it works fine 02:24:20 weird 02:24:46 cszo webtiles is fine, dobrazupa.org is fine 02:24:51 internet in general fine 02:24:54 maybe check if your browser's process is stuck open when you try to restart (firefox used to do that for me) 02:25:06 or try a dns flush 02:25:31 still no luck with a fresh chrome process 02:25:32 hrm 02:26:31 let me grab you the direct IP i'm hitting real quick so you don't need to bother with a DNS flush 02:27:12 yeah, no help when I restart my router 02:27:57 I'm getting 66.135.32.228 02:29:14 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:10 -!- voyager_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:30:38 yeah, i get a different page too when i hit that ip directly 02:31:34 I can't load that page in http either 02:31:39 no ping 02:34:50 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:40:53 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:52:33 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:56:07 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:01:02 gammafunk: i tried a dns flush and can still hit s-z.org fine -- maybe do a traceroute if you are interested in which hop fails for you 03:05:33 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:08:48 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:10:11 johnny0: it's working again now, not sure what the problem was 03:14:04 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:07 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:21:32 gammafunk: ahh nice 03:23:38 -!- 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 08:59:22 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:00:36 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:01:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:03:50 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET �� Zero IRC �� Ver 2.9G] 09:05:40 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:09:44 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:10 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:58 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:17:46 -!- zxc232 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:18:04 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:12 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:54 |amethyst: you are my hero of the moment <3 09:30:06 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:54 <|amethyst> Grunt: FR: figure out something reasonable to do (message or something) when it doesn't place the minivault because this level got an encompass primary vault 09:33:54 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:34:23 |amethyst: veto the level and try again? 09:34:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:43 <|amethyst> Grunt: then you get an infinite loop again in places like Slime:6 09:34:46 hm 09:35:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:22 re: chandra 09:38:30 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 09:38:46 grunt, would you mind if I let CHAOS CHAMPIONS spawn with hammers? it seems appropriate 09:39:12 plus, retroactively turns yiuf's collection into foreshadowing 09:41:49 i think hammers are not meant to exist except for yiuf vault 09:42:14 there's also a volcano with flaming hammers 09:42:16 not sure adding them to more places is good 09:46:17 I know that's the reasoning; it just seems appropriate + harmless to allow chaos champions (an extended enemy) to spawn with them, given the chaos connection 09:46:21 also, it'd involve removing a special case 09:46:35 which is the other half of my reasoning 09:46:49 !source mon-gear.cc:1425 09:46:49 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-gear.cc;hb=HEAD#l1425 09:47:56 not sure that is any less ridiculous without the hammer special case really, i'd just give them some regular list of weapons 09:48:38 boring but reasonable 09:48:48 <|amethyst> okay, s-z.org git links should be working again for now 09:49:24 MarvinPA is correct. 09:50:07 (re hammers only appearing in the one place) 09:50:10 (if that) 09:50:50 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:58 i don't know what chaos champions even do but if they're meant to be melee-ish ones then it'd probably be better to pick a weapon set based on that, anyway 09:50:59 perhaps worth noting that champions can currently spawn with scythes, which are also removed from normal generation & only spawn on two enemy types at present. 09:51:19 they're support casters, sort of. sort of. 09:51:36 they aren't very good at melee or ranged combat, in any case. 09:51:45 the weapon they're given is almost flavour. 09:51:46 (imo give them Chain of Chaos back) 09:56:09 <|amethyst> Chaos Factory Workers spawn with Chains of Chaos, which are easily-concealable melee weapons. 09:56:22 <|amethyst> oops, wrong game 09:57:35 -!- its_jenna has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:06 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:21 <3 09:59:22 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:59:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:25 <|amethyst> The lightning spire shakes its turret a firm 'no'. 10:02:57 %git fa763ba1 10:02:58 07Matthew_Cline02 * 0.3-a0-893-gfa763ba: Split off portions of externs.h and enum.h into other files. The crawl_environment, player and monsters classes have been left in externs.h, which necessitates that all of the enums references by those classes stay in enums.h, since you can't forward declare an enum. However, it's a start. 10(7 years ago, 126 files, 3952+ 3488-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa763ba1bc72 10:03:07 %git 45c03679 10:03:07 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-2068-g45c0367: Don't making flying creatures/monsters completely immune to being netted 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=45c03679f2dc 10:03:44 I don't think this has any reason for being; if we wanted to give flying creatures extra EV, we could do that. 10:04:22 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:04:46 adding an arbitrary anti-net defense seems silly, and it's not like the player needs *more* reasons to want to be flying, especially in shoals (where this tends to come up). 10:05:18 As in, the part where they're immune to being netted at all. 10:05:25 <|amethyst> the monster version prevents instakills 10:05:39 <|amethyst> s/prevents/reduces the number of/ 10:06:24 those don't happen any more, i assume that's what it was intended to counteract when they did though 10:06:34 <|amethyst> Oh, they don't? 10:06:36 yes 10:06:42 instead something dumb and buggy happens 10:06:59 (they get "webbed" until their next action, with the web sprite in tiles, even) 10:07:05 (since the net is destroyed) 10:08:00 <|amethyst> oh 10:08:02 -!- ishanyx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:03 even if it did prevent monster instakills, I don't see how that's something we'd need to preserve; monster instakills are not a bad or undesirable thing, especially given that it comes at the cost of a scarce resource, and can't be used against truly threatening fliers (e.g. dragons) 10:08:09 <|amethyst> so is there a difference between the two flight modes anymore? 10:08:11 The throwing net hits a BUGGY thing. 10:09:14 PleasingFungus: well petrify isn't a scarce resource 10:09:44 and yeah i think the difference between flight modes is just cosmetic now, or it's meant to be 10:09:47 MarvinPA: true. that's not a reason to preserve this throwing net special case, though 10:13:28 -!- Isha is now known as ishanyx 10:15:00 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:09 -!- ishanyx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:40 -!- tswett has quit [Quit: tswett] 10:17:18 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:55 !told lasty, but -dev might want this: using sacrifice sanity on summ/necr/poison with animate dead : ERROR in 'spl-util.cc' at line 318: ASSERT failed: slot of 25 out of range 0 (0) .. MAX_KNOWN_SPELLS (21) ; /dgldir/morgue/rchandra/crash-rchandra-20140710-151538.txt 10:18:10 or sohuld I mantis experimental crashes too? 10:18:24 why not 10:18:36 <|amethyst> rchandra: sanity or arcana? 10:18:49 the one that chooses 3 magic schools 10:19:30 rchandra: try !tell, not !told :) 10:19:41 past tense! 10:20:16 as in, I already !told him 10:20:33 <|amethyst> I think mantis is fine, just flag it as 0.16 I guess 10:20:42 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:20:46 ??mantis 10:20:46 mantis[1/1]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 10:21:19 .!tell seems better than mantis for stuff that's definitely caused by the experimental branch, since the person fixing it won't be able to actually resolve it on mantis 10:22:09 <|amethyst> I think I see the problem 10:22:14 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:48 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:11 <|amethyst> del_spell_from_memory_by_slot(j) should be del_spell_from_memory_by_slot(you.spell_letter_table[j]) 10:23:34 <|amethyst> I guess I should 10:23:42 <|amethyst> !tell lasty del_spell_from_memory_by_slot(j) should be del_spell_from_memory_by_slot(you.spell_letter_table[j]) 10:23:42 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 10:24:17 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:31 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:24:43 <|amethyst> !tell lasty though maybe better would be to just iterate over the slots rather than the letters 10:24:43 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 10:26:00 -!- tswett has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:49 -!- jaumoose has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:34:02 -!- Isha is now known as ishanyx 10:35:28 thanks folks 10:36:17 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:46 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:38:49 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:44 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1991-g9e48456: Don't guarantee greatsling generation in Shoals 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e4845670576 10:40:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1992-gf1e799b: Remove dart(ing out from under net)s 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1e799b432ca 10:40:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1993-gdc23beb: Add messaging for nets bouncing off giant monsters 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc23beb9a4f9 10:40:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1994-g8844f9d: Partially refactor _weapon_to_str 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8844f9d7204f 10:41:08 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:11 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:38 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:07 <|amethyst> hm 10:47:15 <|amethyst> still not sure how to test this fix 10:47:17 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:47:25 |amethyst: fix of? 10:47:26 <|amethyst> I don't know how to make a sacrifice in wizmode 10:47:29 mm 10:48:03 Is it an exp-based timer or a time-based timer or? 10:48:29 <|amethyst> I think it's a secondary piety system? 10:48:32 <|amethyst> I don't know 10:48:33 (if the former, spawn a bunch of HD100 HP1 critters and kill them; if the latter, go mummyscum in the temple) 10:48:37 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:48:57 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:01 i think being offered sacrifices is a time timer 10:49:11 not sure though 10:49:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:17 <|amethyst> hm 10:51:34 <|amethyst> just killed enough hd 100 kobolds to get to level 16 and waited 10000 turns 10:52:26 <|amethyst> oh 10:52:35 <|amethyst> one problem with the name Ru 10:52:47 <|amethyst> Enter Wizard Command (? - help): _ 10:52:50 <|amethyst> Which god (by name)? Ru 10:52:51 <|amethyst> _You kneel at the altar of Okawaru. 10:52:56 hahaha 10:53:43 bwaha 10:53:56 fr: imposter gods 10:54:07 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:07 <|amethyst> There is a similar but not quite as bad problem with &^M and friends 10:54:38 <|amethyst> &M -> Memorise which spell? fireba -> Memorise Ghostly Fireball, consuming 5 spell levels and leaving 9? 10:54:44 <|amethyst> err, &^M 10:54:57 <|amethyst> however, there typing the full "fireball" works 10:55:01 i run into that all the time with &zinvis and stuff 10:55:06 well not invis any more but yeah 10:55:11 <|amethyst> nd &^Mignite pois 10:55:12 things along those lines :( 10:55:56 <|amethyst> so anyway, I think this fixes it but I have no idea how to test 10:57:06 <|amethyst> ah 10:57:09 <|amethyst> seems to be exploration 10:57:17 <|amethyst> is there any way to fake exploration? 10:58:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:07 set monster spawn rate to something silly and hold o in abyss? :b 10:58:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:26 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:35 <|amethyst> okay 11:00:44 <|amethyst> took a while because the first sacrifice didn't contain arcana 11:02:23 <|amethyst> it does work 11:02:34 |amethyst: yay 11:02:35 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:03:34 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1829-gcdeebce: Iashol: RIP Iashol, long live Ru. 10(2 days ago, 33 files, 319+ 314-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdeebcef90e2 11:03:34 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1830-g70ef8a0: Ru: Improve sacrifice delay and amulet of faith 10(2 days ago, 4 files, 32+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=70ef8a02371f 11:03:34 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1831-g880e3ab: Experimental ONLY! Ru: tagify name change. 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=880e3abaec25 11:03:34 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1832-g441829b: Ru: Let sacrifice reading/taste actually apply statuses. 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=441829bf9c91 11:03:34 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1833-g7460b84: Ru: Prevent monsters without spells from faltering. 10(15 hours ago, 2 files, 13+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7460b84b8495 11:03:34 03Lasty02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1834-g7a0fbcd: Ru: Change Sac Sanity to trigger horror on threatening foes 10(14 hours ago, 9 files, 78+ 69-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a0fbcdcb191 11:03:34 03|amethyst02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1835-g2c6efd2: Forget correct spells with Sacrifice Arcana. 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c6efd2dad07 11:03:34 03|amethyst02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1836-gc84488f: Remove an unused variable. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c84488fd052d 11:03:51 rurururururururururu 11:03:59 batmaaaan? 11:04:04 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:10 <|amethyst> !tell lasty fixed in 0.15-a0-1835-g2c6efd2 (and new stuff pushed; rebuilding now) 11:04:11 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 11:04:15 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:06:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140702030201]] 11:11:42 Experimental (iashol) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1836-gc84488f 11:12:32 oh, no wonder potions/scrolls never seemed to be blocked. thought it was just not enough tension 11:12:47 "The hippogriff begins to cast a spell, but is stunned by your will!" 11:13:13 hippogriffs are known for their provess in the arcane arts 11:16:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:11 looks like that's what 7460b84 was supposed to stop 11:17:33 er, prowess 11:18:47 Inability to pick up carrion leaves doors permanently unclosable 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 by josh 11:19:04 -!- its_jenna has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:22 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 11:21:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:53 reaverb was talking about making it possible to close doors even if there's items on the tile (by shoving them to another tile); if we wanted to 'solve' 8775, that'd be the best answer, I think. otherwise, it's a "won't do". 11:25:34 I like how it says "permanently" as though corpses last forever. 11:26:20 for the purposes of closing a door in an emergency they might as well last forever 11:26:21 it's permanent relative to the time you care about that door 11:27:45 what if it's a door you wanna keep revisiting over and over 11:27:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:50 on D:3 or something 11:27:53 revolving door 11:28:30 then you just run around in circles until the skeleton goes poof 11:28:41 around and around and around and 11:28:51 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:14 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:09 looks like does_ru_wanna_redirect doesn't care about the mosnter having spells, and it's checked and causes handle_mon_spell to exit before finding out of the mosnter has spells 11:31:20 s/mosnter/monster 11:32:12 oh. I was watching someone doordance a monster yesterday. 11:32:22 was wondering if we should actually implement "it takes longer to close a door than to open it". 11:32:47 seems reasonable to me after 5 seconds of thought :) 11:34:32 but how will I force the elves to stand in my fclouds then :( 11:35:46 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38:49 MIND CONTROL 11:39:48 spooky..... 11:39:58 !nerf PleasingFungus 11:39:59 * Sequell nerfs PleasingFungus!!! 11:41:14 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:41:53 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:03 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:44:42 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:14 rip iashol 11:52:17 !nerf Grunt 11:52:17 * Sequell nerfs Grunt!!! 11:53:37 !banish Lightli 11:53:37 Grunt casts a spell. Lightli is devoured by a tear in reality! 11:53:46 rip 11:53:47 rip 12:00:18 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 12:01:03 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:06:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:09 |amethyst: Thanks, both for the push and for pointing out the issue with del_spell_from_etc 12:12:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:14:19 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1994-g8844f9d (34) 12:15:33 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:28 rchandra: It didn't occur to me that spellless monsters would get into handle_mon_spell! 12:17:32 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:44 |amethyst: The sacrifice timer increases on 50% of kills and on exploration, and is checked on god action, which effectively means every 20 turns or so. On average, about 140 kills or about two to three levels of exploration will trigger it, or about 2 levels of exploration and kills. 12:18:28 |amethyst: I experimented with adding a wizard command to make a sacrifice, but that causes issues since important sacrifice data is generated at the time the sacrifices are offered. I'll put together a version to just trigger a "offer sacrifice" event -- that should be simple. 12:18:46 |amethyst: I'm not sure what to do about Ru vs Okawaru, but you can always create altar_ru and pray on it 12:20:29 rchandra: Thanks for reporting so many issues! 12:20:34 -!- broquaint has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:25:47 you're welcome. Qaz and Ru are a lot of fun, both much more than I expected 12:26:18 I almost never play experimentals but it's too fun 12:26:36 I still haven't given Qaz enough attention -- I enjoyed my one playthrough until death via hubris, but all my characters have rHubris-- 12:27:19 Which of the sacrifices have been working well in your opinion? Are the balance on the active powers about right? 12:27:24 Waslal with gong, VS, and maxwells' is like sacrificing stealth/magic/potions to Iashol 12:27:55 hahaha 12:28:09 did you play that? 12:28:25 the way I play they seem fine, but I'm concerned that power leap allows safety abuses 12:28:27 yeah 12:28:44 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:49 Safety abuses? 12:32:49 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:07 useing it to always flee from things. 12:33:10 got to go 12:33:12 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 12:34:46 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37:09 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:50 On the Ru/Okawaru bug: When possible, &_ should go with the god which has the matching first letter to the substring. 12:38:02 Since all the gods have differant first letters. 12:38:11 !rchandra: using Power Leap to flee is an intentional feature, though if it's too abusive it could be changable. 12:38:19 Oh, yes, except TSO 12:38:20 reaverb: true 12:38:44 Hmm, controlled blink is pretty strong. 12:38:46 reaverb: maybe just check if the input it 1 char long, and match to the god that way if so 12:38:59 Controlled blink is strong, but 3-tile cblink with a very long timeout is less strong 12:39:27 imo &_1 should work (maybe it does???) 12:39:28 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:56 Hmm, does the Ru/Okawaru thing happen on an iashol build or just if you mindless try it on master? 12:40:08 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:36 it picks the god name by simple substring search 12:40:40 -!- Evablue has quit [Client Quit] 12:40:58 maybe it should prefer exact matches to that 12:41:33 Lasty: Maybe the offer to get a sacrificed event should happen if you &^ with Ru. 12:41:49 Rather than taking up an entire key, Wiz mode commands seem a little cramped. 12:42:18 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:42:52 &- would be the appropriate place presumably 12:43:10 reaverb: There are still several keys available, like control W and control Y 12:43:22 Lasty: Oh, hmm, never mind then. 12:43:38 reaverb: being able to straight-up gain piety with Ru is also useful for testing 12:44:17 Lasty: moot point but I was imagining if you answered "no" to the sac question you would then be able to change your piety. 12:44:26 Oh, ah 12:49:41 Ru sounds fun, and also I like the new bikeshed 12:49:55 It's got paisleys on it! 12:50:15 I encourage you to try it out on CSZO -- and then tell me if anything broke or seemed silly. :D 12:51:41 I am very confused why more people don't play experimental branches, I haven't seen anyone on chunkless in 2-3 weeks for example, and generally only one person is on each of the new god branches at a time. 12:51:54 Maybe the scary disclaimer is a bit too off-putting. 12:52:09 * reaverb goes to try another Ru game. 12:52:27 Maybe also the not-counting-towards-player-stats thing, which is necessary after all 12:52:27 Bless you! 12:52:43 Well, if you're playing on the god branches, it's because you want to play that god. If you feel like playing Fedhas, you're not going to do it in the Smithgod branch . . . 12:52:55 yeah 12:53:10 I remember being hyped like hell for nostalgia until they said it wouldn't count for player stats 12:53:24 My favorite thing was before smithgod got rebased how most players would go smithgod to play more dj/lo 12:53:34 The reason I don't play in chunkless (which is a little more general-interest) is that I'm still working on several player stats as well as testing Ru, and so I don't want to split my time too far 12:53:35 rip lo 12:53:37 not rip dj 12:53:42 magicpoints: lol 12:54:02 -!- renftw has quit [] 12:54:15 is nostalgia still on cszo? 12:54:25 I'd bet a lot of the player base also just doesn't notice the X menu 12:54:40 (or forgets about it) 12:55:25 Lasty: If you're on console, experimental branches are a bit more obvious on webtiles. 12:55:30 no 12:55:35 someone boring took it down for some reason 12:55:42 magicpoints: Oh, people did that? Ha. 12:55:45 well in webtiles it has its own line below the rest of them so it's harder to miss than the X) I think 12:56:07 You can't play experimental in webtiles right now? 12:56:27 Lasty: Hmm? Yes you can play experimental on webtiles. 12:56:32 console_reaso-nevermind 12:56:52 Oh, ok 12:56:59 Lasty: and I mentioned the place you click to do so wasn't hidden in some menu. 12:57:07 ah, gotcha 12:57:10 Then I -should- get ontoclasm's ability tiles added soon :D 12:57:35 Guys, quick question - why do we still have banishment as an obscure threat in DCSS? 12:57:37 magicpoints: I wish somebody had posted a defense of LO or Dj, It probably would not be able to get them added back, but if people played an older version for them I would like to know what people liked about them. 12:57:49 TZer0: Since when in Banishment obscure? 12:58:03 oops 12:58:09 I meant specifically distortion-banishment 12:58:11 sorry! 12:58:28 Lasty: xD 12:58:37 You don't know that there's a source of it until having rolled an accidental 10%-you're-banished roll 12:59:10 reaverb: I'm happy LO and Dj are dead. 12:59:38 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:03 ontoclasm: I've been putting it off since I don't really know how to do it, but I know some stuff in tiles seems frustrating to work with 13:00:03 reaverb: well, lo was very strong, which is one reason why people played it. :) 13:00:42 TZer0: Hmm, I would rather make it more clear than removing it. 13:01:01 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:01:03 reaverb: I mean, I have a suggestion or two 13:01:13 removing it or limiting it to known sources is one of them 13:01:32 Psyche having a distortion dagger is way easier to handle than a gnoll with a distortion weapon 13:01:34 TZer0: Well identify monster weapon brands is an idea floating around. 13:01:48 simply because Psyche is a known source. 13:01:49 Identifying. 13:02:09 what if distortion was reworked to use some sort of Contam-mechanic? 13:02:10 ChangeAj as a patch for that I should really look at <_< >_> 13:02:51 TZer0: Then it probably won't be "distortion". It would be some new Contam-mechanic based brand. 13:02:54 which causes the damaging/blinking effects if the weapon strikes and charges up for banishment/other bad stuff simply by being struck by it 13:03:16 One problem is player-monster symmetry. 13:03:32 A rare "insta-kill" is an interesting effect for players. 13:03:38 uh 13:04:04 PleasingFungus: Feel free to disagree with any of those statements <_< >_> 13:04:06 I sincerely do not care at all about player-monster symmetry. My feeling on banishment, though, is that most of the problems with it would be solved if enemy-held weapons had their egos auto-ID'd on sight. 13:04:07 but the same effect in the hands of a monster is ugggh. 13:04:16 I'm okay with instant kills as long as you can predict them somehow 13:04:19 also, banishment is not an "insta-kill", and if it was, it would be awful 13:04:33 stuff like what you see in autoexplore_deaths though... 13:04:49 PleasingFungus: I mean it's interesting players sometimes insta-kill monsters with distortion. 13:04:55 PleasingFungus: it is a very-certain kill for low-level characters 13:04:56 oh 13:05:02 TZer0: nah 13:05:07 Help on Str needs updating 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8776 by Whales 13:05:08 And yes identifying monster weapon brands is probably the best solution. 13:05:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:24