00:00:15 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:00:45 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 00:01:05 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:38 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=529 can anyone reproduce this? I can't 00:03:22 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:43 ais523_ is around here frequently; you could ask! 00:04:46 *ask him 00:05:34 dang, 0.6 00:05:37 that bug was reported over 4 years ago 00:05:49 Crawl Fixes Problems :) 00:06:00 not sure if I still have the setup to reproduce it 00:06:12 Grunt, did you see the 'make draining give a temporary debuff on monsters' thread? 00:06:46 PleasingFungus: no 00:06:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:07:38 "draining directly reducing monsters hd is dumb and bad, because it reduces mhp (bad ui), reduces xp (misleading for new players who get wind of it), theoretically encourages scummy hit-and-run practices, and doesn't really do that much in practice" 00:07:49 s/practices/tactics 00:08:16 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1950-gbc841a2 (34) 00:08:42 Throwing nets and levitating monsters over lava/shafts 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=990 by evktalo 00:09:14 huh, could swear I tested that a few months back and saw it working in a seemingly-reasonable fashion 00:09:19 so, I'm running Crawl in Valgrind in order to slow it down enough for this bug to maybe be visible 00:09:27 hahaha 00:09:33 have you considered turning off the turbo setting on your cpu??? 00:09:34 and Valgrind complained that it was trying to set a signal handler for SIGRT32 00:10:42 "theoretically encourages hit-and-run practices" I've had several occasions in real games where it was the best thing to do 00:10:54 huh 00:11:17 so far, I can confirm that the puffs of smoke are no longer purple 00:11:17 if you're faster than the ogre and you can survive a hit 00:11:18 s/theoretically/occasionally 00:11:19 you need to play more shitty melee starts :P 00:11:21 ? 00:11:31 it's perfectly usable on an ogre 00:11:33 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:11:36 OK, yeah, can't reproduce 00:11:43 shitty melee starts that get drainbrand early tend to suddenly be a lot less shitty 00:12:16 then again you're min "mummy" may so what am I talking about, nevermind 00:13:41 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:13:45 travel_delay=-1 or explore_delay=-1 causes strange display as summons expire 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=529 by ais523 00:13:49 ais523_: I don't think that means anything, I think crawl just loops over all the possible signal numbers and valgrind is like "NOPE! Not this one, I'm using it." 00:14:12 but it was just setting them up to crash or something anyway 00:14:24 so it doesn't matter if valgrind actually needs that one 00:15:32 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:15:48 SamB: I know 00:16:07 my only two lines in Crawl are blacklisting two signals to stop it looping over them 00:16:19 looping over all the possible signal numbers is crazy because you don't know what half those signals are being used for 00:16:40 while going through these ancient mantis issues I found an interesting bug that's still present 00:16:41 the puffs of smoke should probably still be purple.... 00:16:42 ais523_: yup! 00:16:53 it's crazy as shit 00:16:57 PleasingFungus: they seem to have elemental colors now 00:17:04 if you trap a flying monster with a net over lava, the net will instantly burn in the lava, and the flying monster will display as "entangled in a web" until it gets an action 00:17:18 ais523_: is this in the same game? 00:17:28 o 00:17:30 I don't know console 00:17:40 i believe the correct fix is to make netting flying stuff not work again 00:17:51 what, you mean elemental colors don't work on tiles? 00:17:51 because everyone unspoiled assumes after it fails once that it will just fail every other time 00:18:09 SamB: nope 00:18:10 it would be funnier to make netting flying monsters just make them burn up in lava/fall through shafts/etc 00:19:11 also probably to remove the special extra bonus for flying monsters to dodge nets (if that's a thing as you seem to be implying?) 00:19:11 so you should be able to kill orbs of fire with lava by throwing a net, but only if you make a 1/3 chance? 00:19:18 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1950-gbc841a2 (34) 00:19:24 yes that's a thing 00:19:29 clearly give oofs rDrown back 00:19:31 they "dart out from under the net" 2/3rds of the time 00:19:32 so they can swim in lava 00:19:34 !!! 00:19:46 I guess you could still kill them with deep water 00:19:51 it would probably just make them permanently submerge or something 00:19:59 like undead did (do? was that ever fixed?) 00:20:02 do 00:20:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:07 man, fuck crawl. 00:20:08 I think it is "intended" 00:20:12 " " " " " " 00:20:19 i know it's intended that doesn't make it any less insane 00:20:20 idk maybe I'll change it at some point 00:20:48 if player undead die in water then surely monster undead can 00:21:17 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans&do=diff 00:21:39 I'm not certain xuaxua understands what a "release" is 00:22:34 isn't xuaxua a dragon? 00:22:37 why.whypeg 00:22:41 probably 00:22:48 Xtahua (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 133 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 17, 2007(trample) | 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(177), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3799 | Sp: b.flame (3d38) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 00:22:48 %??Xtahua 00:22:52 oh 00:22:57 whatever, close enough 00:23:06 ??xuaxua 00:23:06 xuaxua[1/5]: A POWERFUL UNIQUE POSTER, USUALLY FOUND IN THE FORUMS. 00:23:08 ^ 00:23:16 see I told you it was close enough 00:25:25 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:43 -!- zercules has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:28:31 oh, given that I was running Crawl in Valgrind anyway, I should mention that it didn't find any memory leaks 00:28:35 always good to see that 00:29:26 That's good. 00:29:27 ??objstat[2 00:29:28 objstat[2/2]: Latest statistics: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10fNR1JApV-AyF6vdv-g3S3FUUzSSIrUu3OTMWMEoaaA/edit#gid=681767829 00:31:11 why not remove random potions of decay and turn then into experience instead 00:31:21 experience is a far more interesting find 00:32:50 Hi, Bloax. 00:32:56 !seen gammafunk 00:32:56 I last saw gammafunk at Wed Jul 9 02:25:19 2014 UTC (3h 7m 37s ago) saying '|amethyst is becomming like one of those pull toys that says random phrases' on ##crawl-dev. 00:33:31 !tell gammafunk Hey, I don't suppose there's any way I can coax objstat into telling me how many items of a type spawned *not* held by monsters? 00:33:31 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 00:39:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:42:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:53 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1950-gbc841a2 00:47:36 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 00:52:58 -!- purge_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:59 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:03:51 -!- mong has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:45 -!- bcode is now known as Guest98957 01:09:45 -!- Guest98957 has quit [Killed (sendak.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 01:09:45 -!- bcode_ is now known as bcode 01:16:20 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:19:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1951-g0157abf: Remove darts (from a comment) 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0157abf9ca42 01:19:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1952-ga10db61: Refactor plus-squashing code 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 36+ 32-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a10db6175bfa 01:20:26 we could probably make clubs non-glowing again now, if we really wanted 01:20:36 but I feel like that'd encourage the same old dumb behavior for ogres 01:20:57 what was that 01:21:24 wielding every giant (spiked) club you find in the hopes it has better plusses 01:21:56 GSCs have plusses? 01:22:06 only noticed uncommon maluses 01:22:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:44 hm 01:22:53 !lg * kaux~~\+.*spiked_club 01:22:54 33125. PrayDL the Covered (L7 GrFi of Cheibriados), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant spiked club) on D:4 on 2014-07-09 03:42:22, with 582 points after 3203 turns and 0:07:42. 01:22:55 I guess this only applies to gscs spawned from uniques or vaults, actually 01:22:59 which is to say, erolcha 01:23:02 so that's fine 01:23:03 !lg * kaux~~\+.*spiked_club s=kaux 01:23:04 33125 games for * (kaux~~\+.*spiked_club): 31381x a +0,+0 giant spiked club, 398x a +0 giant spiked club, 203x a cursed -1,+0 giant spiked club, 201x a cursed +0,+0 giant spiked club, 157x a cursed +0,-2 giant spiked club, 153x a cursed +0,-1 giant spiked club, 149x a cursed +0,-3 giant spiked club, 149x a cursed -3,+0 giant spiked club, 140x a cursed -2,+0 giant spiked club, 11x a cursed +0 giant... 01:23:40 -!- dgu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:45 !lg * kaux~~/+.*giant.*club s=kaux 01:23:46 No keyword '+.*giant.*club' 01:23:50 booshit 01:23:53 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 01:24:05 backslash 01:24:09 not forward slash 01:24:42 !lg * kaux~~\+(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12).*spiked_club s=killer 01:24:43 171 games for * (kaux~~\+(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12).*spiked_club): 155x Erolcha, 13x an ogre, 2x a hill giant, a two-headed ogre 01:25:10 !lg * kaux~~\+(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12).*spiked_club killer!=erolcha s=kaux 01:25:12 16 games for * (kaux~~\+(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12).*spiked_club killer!=erolcha): 2x a +0,+3 giant spiked club of chaos, 2x a +2,+4 giant spiked club of chaos, a +3,+4 giant spiked club of chaos, a +4,+1 giant spiked club of chaos, a +3,+1 giant spiked club of chaos, a +0,+1 giant spiked club of chaos, a +1,+3 giant spiked club of chaos, a cursed +1,+1 giant spiked club of chaos, a cursed +1,-2 ... 01:25:22 mmmmm 01:25:27 looks like never a plus unless it's a vault 01:25:44 uniques are vaults, in a sense 01:25:47 !lg * kaux~~spiked.*chaos s=vault 01:25:48 Unknown field: vault 01:25:52 !lg * kaux~~spiked.*chaos s=kmap 01:25:53 19 games for * (kaux~~spiked.*chaos): 18x, minmay_divided_ellipse 01:26:25 !vault minmay_divided_ellipse 01:26:26 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des;hb=HEAD#l3298 01:28:16 hrm 01:28:25 oh, wait, probably xom upgrades 01:28:36 !lg * kaux~~spiked.*chaos s=god 01:28:38 19 games for * (kaux~~spiked.*chaos): 19x Xom 01:28:50 nice 01:29:24 !lg * kaux~~spiked.*chaos max=score -tv 01:29:25 19. guido, XL11 DsCK, T:12897 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:29:36 huh, "club good_Item" can produce spellbinder 01:35:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1953-gb8f145e: Extinguish cursed clubs 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8f145ed9a29 01:43:04 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:43:04 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:43:04 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:43:33 -!- MrPeeps has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45:10 You climb downwards. Unlinked item held by dead monster: halberd item #186: base: 0; sub: 25; plus: -1; plus2: 0; special: 0 quant: 1; colour: 4; ident: 0x20000100; ident_type: 0 _ x: -2; y: -2; link: 27105 01:45:14 um 01:45:46 neat 01:46:06 should anything be done about that? 01:46:25 probably 01:46:27 I'm going to bed 01:46:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140702030201]] 01:49:33 hah 01:53:55 -!- fdgjkdhg has quit [Client Quit] 01:54:44 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:56:59 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:10:06 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12:12 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:28 -!- Piginabag_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:15:14 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:19:43 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1953-gb8f145e (34) 02:20:07 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22:13 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:24:57 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:25:24 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:30 -!- Hirsch_ has quit [Client Quit] 02:36:03 -!- tinybat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:44:47 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:06 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:55:20 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:58 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:03:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:05:35 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:10:20 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14:17 !tell Patashu %git 5e60d799077 - this took forever to figure out what the hell was going on including reading through a rewrite of all of beam.cc and all of monster enchantments, "thanks" 03:14:17 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let patashu know. 03:15:04 !tell Patashu and i have no idea what that change is meant to fix! but good catch, i guess i'll change it back to checking damage instead of hit dice and see what happens :P 03:15:04 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let patashu know. 03:15:46 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:16:17 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 03:17:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:18:51 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:35 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:19 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:19 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:39:25 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:31 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:54 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:17 -!- vible has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:43 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:59:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1954-g16e9270: Fix sticky flame duration depending on the HD of the target (Patashu) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=16e9270f5618 03:59:57 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:44 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:06:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:08:44 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:09:27 -!- Leafsnail has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:22 Are there plans to remove mummy death curses, at least for regular and guardian ones? 04:10:30 It seems to me like item destruction only even worse 04:12:00 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:52 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:31:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32:00 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:02 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:14 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:49:03 -!- Staplegun is now known as sgun 04:52:17 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:57:08 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:57:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:02:10 -!- rbrrk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:02:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:04:08 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space] 05:04:59 !tell |amethyst is it possible to set the quiet_debug_messages options so that they don't reset on restart? was trying to look it up for your speech debug message change, but not having any luck 05:04:59 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 05:06:20 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:03 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16:57 -!- xXmima-samaXx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21:26 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 05:25:30 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:37:03 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:44 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:45:59 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:19 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:57:07 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:00:20 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:02:14 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:05:52 -!- puissantveil has quit [Client Quit] 06:08:30 !learn add ru_to_do don't stun monsters without specials, do something about sanity, skill descs on ^ menu don't fit, no drink and read don't trigger (DD?), acquirement 06:08:30 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 06:08:30 ru to do[1/1]: don't stun monsters without specials, do something about sanity, skill descs on ^ menu don't fit, no drink and read don't trigger (DD?), acquirement 06:08:34 !messages 06:08:35 (1/1) rchandra said (11h 7m 52s ago): Ru could have you drop your purse (no gold) - might have to be worth a different amount depending when you do it 06:08:41 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:09:52 -!- Tenda has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:22 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 06:14:22 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 06:14:22 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:36 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:31:56 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:23 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:48:35 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:57:35 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:57:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:59:15 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:14 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:35 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:11 -!- radinms_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:08:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:14 -!- Galewind has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:18:47 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:03 !messages 07:19:03 No messages for Lasty. 07:21:04 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:13 ok, so i have no idea why my wield-to-wielded bug is happening 07:24:25 -!- sativa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:24:31 it looks like the check comes before the prompts, at least 07:26:09 !tell |amethyst https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13006 07:26:10 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 07:28:55 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 07:30:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:38:59 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:40:12 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:40 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Client Quit] 07:43:31 -!- bobross has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:46:53 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:51:26 -!- Notipsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:57 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: it's not possible now, but it wouldn't be too hard to allow setting them in the rc 07:56:57 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:57:15 <|amethyst> wheals: done 07:57:36 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:57:54 awesome 08:01:34 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:01:43 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:55 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:05:38 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:10:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:44 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:10:45 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:31 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:17:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:19:03 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:29:12 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:44 http://sprunge.us/hZAR does this look like a reasonable fix for #8772, or is there some simpler approach? 08:31:23 also i'm learning terrifying things about how shields work, apparently monsters can still block when they're confused/paralysed etc 08:31:53 but: only melee attacks, not ranged attacks. also only if you roll a 0 on your attempt to get past the shield 08:32:37 and this is somehow deliberate, or at least there's a comment hinting at it being the case 08:35:52 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:04 why not just check shield_bonus() != 0 08:36:39 or just shield_bonus() since that would happen directly 08:37:14 i had some reason for not doing that but i forget what it was 08:37:33 maybe it would make negative sh better than 0 sh 08:37:40 that would be good 08:37:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:37:55 oh right, having a way to check "do you have any kind of shield at all" was useful for fixing some duplication elsewhere 08:39:10 since currently your SH gets coloured in red if you're incapacitated and wielding a shield, but not if you have one of those other types of shield 08:39:44 and shield_bonus would return 0 there so it'd need the whole list anyway 08:39:47 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 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Wensley is now known as Guest19308 08:59:22 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:01:24 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:54 !learn edit iashol s/.*/See {Ru}./ 09:02:55 iashol[1/1]: See {Ru}. 09:03:40 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:05:06 !learn add ru The god of renouncing the material world via sacrifice in order to gain knowledge and power. Ru helps adherents who strip away the trappings of their mortal life to see the true nature of reality, and thereby gain great power. In practical terms, worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. The sacrifices are permanent restrictions. 09:05:06 Entry text exceeds the maximum length of 350 09:05:13 !learn add ru The god of renouncing the material world via sacrifice in order to gain knowledge and power. Ru helps adherents who strip away the trappings of their mortal life to see the true nature of reality, and thereby gain great power. In practical terms, worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. 09:05:13 Entry text exceeds the maximum length of 350 09:05:52 !learn add ru The god of renouncing the material world via sacrifice in order to gain knowledge and power. Ru helps adherents who strip away the trappings of their mortal life to see the true nature of reality, thus gaining great power. Worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. 09:05:53 ru[1/1]: The god of renouncing the material world via sacrifice in order to gain knowledge and power. Ru helps adherents who strip away the trappings of their mortal life to see the true nature of reality, thus gaining great power. Worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. 09:06:31 Ru hungers for your fleshy sacrifices. 09:07:45 !learn add ru Granted powers: 1*: Attacking enemies falter and/or attack themselves or other enemies. 2*: Enemies that damage you can receive statuses. 3*: restore health and mana. 4*: jump three tiles and explode at destination. 5*: deal huge damage and inflict statuses to everything on screen. All powers scale with piety. 09:07:45 ru[2/2]: Granted powers: 1*: Attacking enemies falter and/or attack themselves or other enemies. 2*: Enemies that damage you can receive statuses. 3*: restore health and mana. 4*: jump three tiles and explode at destination. 5*: deal huge damage and inflict statuses to everything on screen. All powers scale with piety. 09:07:58 !learn add ru Formerly known as Iashol or I, Asshole 09:07:59 ru[3/3]: Formerly known as Iashol or I, Asshole 09:08:23 !learn del iashol_to_do 09:08:23 Deleted iashol to do[1/1]: acquirement;skill descs on ?^ menu don't fit; mutual piety decrease on summoning & no love sacrifices; reimplement Faith; change * ability to block and redirect monster attacks;depluralize hands after sac hand (gloves, blade hands); change sac armour eligibility 09:08:34 -!- HaltingProblem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:09:03 !learn add ru_to_do depluralize hands after hand sacrifice (gloves, blade hands); remove sac armour eligibility from armourless species. 09:09:04 ru to do[2/2]: depluralize hands after hand sacrifice (gloves, blade hands); remove sac armour eligibility from armourless species. 09:09:05 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:16 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:09:45 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:53 !learn edit ru[3 s/.*/Currently in experimental branch on CSZO. Formerly known as Iashol or I, Asshole./ 09:09:54 ru[3/3]: Currently in experimental branch on CSZO. Formerly known as Iashol or I, Asshole. 09:09:57 <|amethyst> Lasty: so when you sacrifice hand, does that mean it actually shrivels up and falls off, or just that it's paralysed? 09:10:17 |amethyst: It's current flavored as magically vanishing, leaving a stump behind. 09:10:50 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:44 (and, if there were ever a way to remove that mutation, the hand magically reappears) 09:13:30 ??iash 09:13:30 I don't have a page labeled iash in my learndb. Did you mean: ash, bash. 09:13:41 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 09:13:47 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon 09:13:47 I was hoping for a list of iashol prefixed entries 09:14:13 ??iashol_powers 09:14:14 iashol powers[1/1]: All powers scale with piety. * enemies skip turns in awe. ** monsters that hurt you get status'd. *** Restore health and mana, get drain/exhaustion. **** jump 3 tiles and damage everything around your landing spot, get exhausted. ***** deal massive damage to everything in LOS and sometimes inflict mute/paralysis/slow, get megadrain and exhaustion. 09:14:24 ??learn del iashol_powers 09:14:25 I don't have a page labeled learn_del_iashol_powers in my learndb. 09:14:35 1learn del iashol_powers 09:14:37 ?/iashol 09:14:37 Matching terms (4): iashol, iashol_piety_gain, iashol_powers, iashol_wrath; entries (4): asshole[2]: see {iashol} | iashol_wrath[1]: Iashol has no wrath, but abandoning Iashol does not refund your sacrifices. | lasty_to_do[1]: {iashol_to_do} | ru[3]: Currently in experimental branch on CSZO. Formerly known as Iashol or I, Asshole. 09:14:40 !learn del iashol_powers 09:14:41 Deleted iashol powers[1/1]: All powers scale with piety. * enemies skip turns in awe. ** monsters that hurt you get status'd. *** Restore health and mana, get drain/exhaustion. **** jump 3 tiles and damage everything around your landing spot, get exhausted. ***** deal massive damage to everything in LOS and sometimes inflict mute/paralysis/slow, get megadrain and exhaustion. 09:14:51 !learn del iashol_wrath 09:14:52 Deleted iashol wrath[1/1]: Iashol has no wrath, but abandoning Iashol does not refund your sacrifices. 09:15:02 !learn del iashol_piety_gain 09:15:02 Deleted iashol piety gain[1/1]: See https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=178990#p178990 09:15:22 also ##crawl might be a better place for this if it's going to be really extensive 09:15:23 !learn add ru Ru has no wrath, but abandoning Ru doesn't undo your sacrifices. 09:15:23 ru[4/4]: Ru has no wrath, but abandoning Ru doesn't undo your sacrifices. 09:15:37 MarvinPA: Ok, sorry. I'm done now. 09:15:42 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:34 -!- Hirsch_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:17:55 -!- asema is now known as xXmima-samaXx 09:18:59 -!- DiazepaN has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:23:03 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:07 Ahoy. 09:23:32 Does Crawl have any certain style guide? 09:24:15 for what 09:24:28 For code. 09:24:38 Something telling you how many spaces to use, where to put braces, and so on. 09:24:53 docs/develop/coding_conventions.txt 09:25:03 braces? what braces :VVV 09:26:38 hm i guess !source doesn't work to link to it but it has a learndb entry 09:26:40 ??coding conventions 09:26:40 coding conventions[1/1]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/coding_conventions.txt;hb=HEAD 09:27:35 Troglodyte (L19 GrGl) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Elf:3) 09:27:38 Oh hey, we use underscores. 09:28:10 Underscores_tend_to_be_useful 09:28:28 AtLeastIfYouWantToReadSomething 09:29:09 "Member variables get a prefix." Why's that? 09:30:19 <|amethyst> I don't think that's really accurate, since we don't use that convention very often 09:30:37 <|amethyst> the main reason to use that is to avoid conflicting with method or parameter names 09:30:57 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:21 <|amethyst> and IMO renaming something global (member names) to avoid conflicting with something local (parameter names) is silly 09:32:01 <|amethyst> though I guess usually it is used for private things only, so not quite as global 09:33:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:33:59 oh hey there's a comment in one of the snippets there that doesn't exist in the real code any more 09:34:07 that explains the mystery of spider form not having blood 09:34:35 also, "TRAN_AIR" :D 09:36:46 Hi, my name is TRAN_NAME. 09:36:57 What's a TRAN_? 09:37:05 transformation i would guess 09:37:09 <|amethyst> a form, yes 09:38:30 oh maybe the commenting section of this would be a good place to put a brief description of doxygen syntax? 09:38:44 -!- djetty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:39:20 and i imagine it could be changed to more strongly encourage commenting :P 09:39:53 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 09:40:04 -!- Xen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:42:35 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:42:56 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:42 -!- Rotatell has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:45:52 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:58 * tswett runs 'strings' on the DCSS executable. 09:46:08 Some interesting stuff here. "Joystick only has %d buttons" 09:46:23 <|amethyst> that probably comes from sdl 09:46:46 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:44 -!- dougsko_ is now known as dougsko 09:47:45 <|amethyst> and, yes, having documentation of our doxgen style would be good 09:47:57 -!- dougsko has quit [Changing host] 09:48:01 <|amethyst> it would also be good to try actually running doxygen on our code 09:48:17 <|amethyst> I know we're missing some necessary things, like @file blocks 09:48:39 <|amethyst> some @file blocks I mean 09:48:43 Do we actually have Doxygen docs? 09:48:50 <|amethyst> and @class 09:49:28 <|amethyst> tswett: we have some (more than last year) doxygen-formatted docs for a few functions and class members 09:49:44 <|amethyst> grep @param *.cc 09:49:59 Like, do we have pages generated by Doxygen? 09:50:05 <|amethyst> oh, no 09:50:24 <|amethyst> as I said, we're mentioning some things that are necessary for that 09:50:29 * tswett nods. 09:50:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:55:13 "mons_is_firewood", eh? 09:55:41 <|amethyst> ??firewood 09:55:42 firewood[1/2]: No-XP stationary monsters other than tentacles and tentacle segments. 09:56:21 <|amethyst> it's called "firewood" because 1) they're mostly plants, and 2) monsters are willing to chop them down to get to you 09:58:45 -!- rohan_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:59:44 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:55 -!- DiazepaN has quit [Quit: DiazepaN] 10:01:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:03 I wonder if it would make sense for gods to be classes. 10:12:08 Static classes, presumably. 10:12:15 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:12:52 I assumed they were until I started working on them 10:13:57 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:33 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:21:04 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:21:19 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:24:00 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:24:20 !message 10:24:20 You probably meant !messages, or possibly !tell. 10:24:22 !messages 10:24:22 No messages for TZer0. 10:24:43 In C++, can you pass classes around? 10:24:52 Pointers to classes, I guess? 10:25:22 -!- Crehl_ is now known as Crehl 10:25:49 tswett: what are you trying to do? Pass a pointer to an instance or something else? 10:26:09 If gods were classes, presumably we'd still sometimes want to be able to pass god types around. 10:26:29 One obvious potential way to do that is to pass pointers to the god classes around. 10:26:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:27:06 well, or you could use an abstract god class and singletons for the actual gods. 10:27:12 hmm 10:27:38 IMO, it may not make sense to have god objects unless you're actually storing information about each god. 10:27:46 (Besides, god objects are an anti-pattern.) 10:28:03 just.. a heads up, I have never touched the source code of DCSS 10:28:28 anyway 10:28:41 perhaps templates can help you. 10:28:51 don't quote me on that. 10:29:49 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:30:06 (god objects, hah) 10:30:21 crawl already has those!!!! 10:30:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:44 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33:40 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:07 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:18 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:46:21 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:50:57 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:54 PleasingFungus: what do you think of the proposed new sling / crossbows I suggested? They both rely on using nonstandard min delay, and I'm not sure how you feel about that. 10:53:10 still not super fond of that approach, yeah, though I suppose it isn't necessarily the end of the world. need to leave now; will take another look at it shortly 10:53:15 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140702030201]] 10:55:42 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:46 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:14 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:57 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:38 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:01 Templates, hmm. 11:04:14 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:04 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:06:14 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09:48 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:08 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:23 -!- surprisetrex_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:44 -!- Notipsum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:17:23 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:18:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 11:18:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:36 -!- agenius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:59 Lasty: so I suppose one thing at a time. Why does your sling have a special-cased mindelay? 11:23:49 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 11:26:22 It seems especially strange to me given that it makes skill required for mindelay the same for both base sling & its upgrade. 11:31:00 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:20 -!- dgu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:50 -!- ckyle_ has quit [Quit: ckyle_] 11:42:50 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:43:05 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:42 I always find that weird, that's what happens with Quarterstaves->Lajatang too 11:48:54 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 11:57:20 -!- dgu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1955-g28beea6: Fix magical shields being unable to block most ranged attacks (#8772) 10(6 hours ago, 7 files, 27+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=28beea6b9513 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1956-g610c62a: Fix colouring of SH on the HUD while incapacitated 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=610c62a0798a 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1957-g539e34f: Unduplicate some handling of HUD colours 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 44+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=539e34f489b8 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1958-gb910be8: Make Ring of Flames melt ice armour while active 10(5 hours ago, 3 files, 7+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b910be8a8ccb 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1959-gfe0db24: Improve messaging when failing to cast Condensation Shield 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe0db2420d7b 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1960-gf369075: Don't give a message about melting icemail if it's currently melted 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f36907521e4c 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1961-g6895e53: Remove an unnecessary special case for Condensation Shield 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6895e5322595 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1962-gf55f546: Don't try and identify the player's shield when reflecting an attack 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f55f5463a87b 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1963-gfa2d839: Don't let monsters sometimes block attacks while incapacitated 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa2d839c13c5 11:59:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1964-gf9d185b: Typo fix 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9d185bb4727 11:59:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:00:15 Nice. 12:00:32 nooooo 12:00:39 Just short of the "and X more commits" threshold :( 12:00:45 MarvinPA: you are a disgrace <_< 12:00:57 dang 12:01:21 Keanan: Oh, that might have been the reasoning, given I was going with a qstaff/lajatang analogy for slings earlier. I'm not sure that's necessary here, though. 12:01:39 ("that" = "weapon & upgrade have same mindelay skill") 12:03:07 i wonder if anyone had noticed that magical shield thing with Q, seems like it maybe would have been noticeable against orb spiders or whatever 12:03:12 It only happens naturally at that weird border when max delay and min delay raise at the same time (So from 11/5->12/6 and from 13/6->14/7) 12:03:42 less surprising that it went unnoticed for years just affecting condensation shield/tso shield, i guess 12:04:31 idk, I'd think condensation shield would be more noticeable, if anything - given that it's the only one that actively prevents physical shield use 12:04:48 guess it's moot now 12:05:11 i suppose it would have affected regular ranged weapons for condensation shield until recently too 12:05:35 I had at one point wondered why it seemed like Condensation shield sucked so bad. 12:05:35 perhaps it'll be op now 12:05:55 I'm excited 12:06:11 (I had just started skipping memorizing Condensation shield because I felt like it was useless) 12:06:13 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:06 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 12:07:25 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:37 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:47 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 12:07:47 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 12:10:48 -!- octopode-monk-of has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:11:12 -!- LeStahL has quit [Client Quit] 12:12:26 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:12 -!- eb_ has quit [] 12:13:55 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1964-gf9d185b (34) 12:18:16 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:24:44 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:25:03 Hey, I have another one-character commit for y'all. 12:25:25 tswett: you're saying your commits have 12:25:27 *glasses* 12:25:28 character? 12:25:36 Why, yes, yes they do. 12:25:57 In religion.cc, there's no blank line after "static void _gain_piety_point();", making it look like it's closely related to what comes after it. 12:26:57 -!- kazak has quit [Client Quit] 12:31:16 PleasingFungus: honestly, it was because I wanted the better sling to have a 0.6 min delay, and I didn't want to add yet another special min delay. With a special min delay, I'd probably go for delay 14, min delay 0.6. 12:32:23 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 12:32:46 couldn't you just 12:32:50 remove the special case from the basic sling 12:32:59 and then tweak the damage up a bit, I guess 12:33:38 I suppose so. I was wedded to sling at 0.5 delay, but I suppose there's no reason for that 12:33:45 Good point! 12:34:42 aight 12:34:43 So how about something like 7/10 damage, 12 delay on sling, and 10/13 13 delay on better-sling 12:34:57 Woo, I just ran Doxygen on DCSS. Unfortunately, it didn't actually produce anything. 12:35:08 staff-sling 12:35:11 <_< >_> <_< >_> 12:35:25 (slingshot!?!?) 12:35:28 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:40 Potato cannon 12:35:40 Ba-dum-tsh, slingshot. 12:35:47 !lg . hawr won 12:35:48 1. SGrunt the Slingshot (L27 HaWr of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-17 06:10:23, with 1198505 points after 153763 turns and 9:41:29. 12:35:50 war sling, greatsling, megasling, triple sling, demon sling 12:35:55 giant spiked sling 12:36:04 baby sling 12:36:10 executioner's sling 12:36:20 demon sling 12:36:20 BATTLESLING 12:36:22 blessed sling 12:36:27 Lasty: I already did that one!!! 12:36:28 Singing Sling 12:36:32 PleasingFungus: and I liked it 12:36:35 haha 12:36:44 sling-your-hook 12:36:51 sling-a-ding-a-ding-dong 12:37:19 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:43 bastard sling 12:38:07 long sling 12:38:08 short sling 12:38:12 Lasty: plz don't be rude. 12:38:13 hand sling 12:38:31 lagom sling 12:38:40 (that is a joke that absolutely no one here will get) 12:39:21 doomsling 12:39:51 Wikipedia offers "The kestros (also known as the kestrosphendone, cestrus or cestrosphendone) is a sling weapon mentioned by Livy and Polybius. " 12:40:13 -!- sudarshans has quit [Changing host] 12:40:13 -!- sudarshans has quit [Changing host] 12:40:54 In practice, the staff-sling is probably the most clear actual improvement on velocity . . . 12:41:13 and it has the side benefit of being really confusing that you can't just hit things with the staff 12:42:34 (imo let the staff-sling also act as a staff for melee purposes) 12:42:42 (i.e. the base staff that's used for enhancer staff melee) 12:42:55 Haha 12:43:19 Not completely joking here; it's plausible if special-casey. 12:43:21 would you have it do 0 damage, too? 12:43:22 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:23 :) 12:43:26 dang 12:43:26 rip 12:44:38 Of course, a sling staff would probably be realistically two-handed, right? 12:44:45 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:46 the thing is, there would be no good reason to actually use the staff-sling in melee, since it would be A Club 12:44:52 (since that's what a staff is!) 12:45:06 Lasty: we could probably fudge it to be 1-handed, if we really wanted 12:45:06 demon sling or satyr sling or something fantastical is probably best 12:45:10 probably 12:46:01 also, if we actually made it a staff-sling, I'd have to lobby for it being named the cestrosphendone, since that's the funniest possible name 12:46:03 and no one wants that 12:46:25 We need to be able to remember these names properly! <_< 12:46:56 It just trips from the tongue! Cestrosphendone! 12:46:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:47:09 And it would fit really well in an 80 char line length 12:50:14 Ask your doctor if Cestrosphendone is right for you. 12:50:39 lol 12:50:59 I did, but she just asked me for a char dump 12:54:02 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:19 "Horns grow some more" on first demonspawn mutation 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8774 by Whales 12:55:37 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56:59 hooray for beastly appendage! 12:58:48 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 12:59:58 Am I hallucinating, or does Throwing damage get improved by forms? 13:00:03 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:13 secret tech: throw large rocks as a troll transformed into a tree 13:01:39 that sounds not good if it is true 13:01:50 because throwing uses all the unarmed code? 13:01:57 !send MarvinPA tree-form giant spiked clubs 13:01:57 Sending tree-form giant spiked clubs to MarvinPA. 13:02:34 it's based on calc_based_unarmed_damage 13:02:37 ranged_attack::calc_base_unarmed_damage: return div_rand_round(attack::calc_base_unarmed_damage() * min(4, property(*projectile, PWPN_DAMAGE)), 4); 13:02:49 yes 13:02:52 !source calc_base_unarmed_damage 13:02:53 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ranged_attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l357 13:02:58 mm 13:03:01 !source attack.cc 13:03:02 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/attack.cc;hb=HEAD 13:03:33 the attack.cc version acknowledges that you may come in w/ throwing or UC in two different checks, but sets the base damage by form anyway 13:03:38 hm, yep. even more treeform reasons 13:04:25 One result is that a throwing attack is basically a UC attack with claws level (item damage / 2) -- throwing a tomahawk is claws 3, and a javelin is claws 5. 13:04:54 so a large rock is claws 10? 13:05:09 yes 13:05:22 nice 13:05:58 factoring out form damage would mean reducing the effective claws factor by 1.5 (by removing the 3 base damage from human form) 13:06:25 so claws 1.5/3.5/18.5 for tomahawk/javelin/large rock 13:06:31 Effective Claws Factor (ECF 13:06:35 er 8.5 13:06:44 1learn add ecf 13:06:45