00:00:41 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:01:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:02:12 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1788-ga796aff (34) 00:03:28 -!- umrain_0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:32 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:45 -!- atomicth2mbs is now known as atomicthumbs 00:06:19 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06:39 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:48 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:55 !seen minmay 00:09:56 I last saw minmay at Sun Jun 29 01:38:46 2014 UTC (3h 31m 9s ago) joining the channel. 00:10:30 minmay: I have a medium-term plan to move strategic consumables (?ew, !mut, etc) into a separate category from the inventory 00:10:40 which should help take some of the strain off the 52-item limit 00:10:49 (then we can tighten it for some races, maybe) 00:10:54 (if we want to) 00:13:21 !tell gammafunk I still feel like we should try to only tighten consumable gen after the early game, say after d:8 or so, since that's both when item destruction tends to kick in & is after the player is likely to be screwed by the rng giving him fuck-all to work with. 00:13:22 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 00:13:44 !tell gammafunk I was looking at this earlier today, but I'm not sure of the best way to get our code to do something like that... 00:13:45 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 00:15:49 -!- Hostile has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:15:59 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:16:10 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:50 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 00:18:59 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:19:15 what item destruction :) 00:21:50 yes, that's exactly the problem! 00:23:39 we don't have consumable generation explicitely tied to depth now, and I'm not sure it's wise to start 00:23:40 gammafunk: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:23:52 true 00:24:06 which was the problem with my plan 00:24:09 my thought for potions was to redece hw and curing by 1/3 and not reduce any others 00:24:15 but I haven't looked at scrolls yet 00:24:30 since the other potions are pretty rare anyhow 00:24:44 for scrolls it might be a bit different, since those are more common 00:24:48 I grabbed the five most recent 0.15 3-rune wins earlier today 00:25:00 http://pastebin.com/GM9YeAug 00:25:09 very unscientific 00:25:29 also see if you can find the one that was the dump of an actually good player 00:25:55 I think it's more looking at how many were generated 00:26:05 well, that hasn't changed, no? 00:26:11 it's just how many are being used up 00:26:41 right, but we can just look those numbers and see, well how much less hw and curing do we want 00:26:54 for scrolls it might be a little more careful 00:27:00 oh 00:27:11 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eo3B5OGyJo7KAEYzLMvcvpQtFzeXLUgR2PQGO0CqsgA/edit#gid=113439555 00:27:13 is what I'm using now 00:27:20 already have it open 00:27:25 I checked the logs :) 00:27:27 so I'm thinking we can make ~252 potions become ~222 potions 00:27:36 and reduce hw by 10, curing by 20 00:27:47 we could reduce curing by more than that 00:27:50 maybe also hw 00:28:09 I'm concerned about screwing early-game players too much 00:28:11 idk 00:28:48 well, on that what I'd suggest is just try a flat reduction this way 00:28:55 and we can always add more complexity 00:28:58 but casing it on detphs 00:28:58 yeah 00:29:00 *depth 00:29:01 yeah I know 00:29:04 if that really seems to be a problem 00:29:07 hm 00:29:08 so yeah it's something to keep in mind 00:29:13 possibly we could do something like the food vaults? 00:29:30 I suppose that could be a simple way, but it's a little dicey 00:29:37 for food vaults it's just "some food" 00:29:43 for these vaults, what would you put in them 00:29:47 potions! 00:29:49 I mean 00:29:56 right but, scrolls same problem 00:30:05 yes, potions/scrolls, sorry 00:30:13 perhaps for curing/hw in particular 00:30:28 maybe, maybe not. don't want to ruin the.... id game........... 00:30:41 anyhow I'm going to start with a not-depth-related reduction and see how it goes 00:30:52 yes 00:30:55 simple is good 00:31:06 and if |amethyst can't make it past d:5 *still* 00:31:06 if we kill all players, that'll at least be funny 00:31:24 thankfully we do at least have stats for that! 00:31:44 also something need to be done about ?rc 00:31:47 and curses generally 00:31:54 that's only a tangentially connected problem 00:32:05 and you can do your consumable reduction without worrying about it 00:32:07 but it is kind of sad 00:32:38 yeah, I'm going to get this first-pass patch for potions/scrolls finished, probably not tonight but soon, and post it for people to comment 00:32:45 sure 00:33:00 (the problem is that the current ?rc quantity is nearly perfect for ash worshippers, but hilarious overkill for everyone else...) 00:33:56 hm. mini_float isn't a necessary tag anymore, right? 00:34:06 %git :/mini_float 00:34:12 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-860-gca0822a: Make mini_float the default; add a no_exits tag instead. 10(6 weeks ago, 35 files, 306+ 373-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca0822add27c 00:34:18 well curses are pretty boring 00:34:45 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:36:38 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:40 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1789-g57b8f3f: Bring back a classic 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 21+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57b8f3f46b94 00:37:40 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1790-g678327c: Remove an obsolete tag 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=678327c47959 00:37:42 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37:42 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:12 rip trowel 00:45:48 rip.... 00:51:49 !function items 00:51:50 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/traps.cc;hb=HEAD#l29 00:51:53 nope 00:52:06 !source makeitem.cc:2635 00:52:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc;hb=HEAD#l2635 00:52:16 it seems that the rune_type argument is never used 00:52:38 yep 00:52:46 imo that function is terrible 00:52:53 too many arguments 00:53:10 odd that it doesn't generate a compiler warning though 00:53:38 probably don't have enough flags turned on 00:53:39 or something 00:53:58 well now it'll have fewer arguments when I remove that, I guess 00:54:21 huh, what happened in 0.12? the average winrate doubled 00:54:37 pretty consistently about 0.5% in earlier versions, and about 0.8% since 00:57:01 !lg * cv=0.12 !boring / won 00:57:02 885/98590 games for * (cv=0.12 !boring): N=885/98590 (0.90%) 00:57:07 !lg * cv=0.11 !boring / won 00:57:08 1119/185932 games for * (cv=0.11 !boring): N=1119/185932 (0.60%) 00:57:25 oops, forgot to filter boring games 00:57:33 !lg * cv=0.13 !boring / won 00:57:34 924/115370 games for * (cv=0.13 !boring): N=924/115370 (0.80%) 00:57:43 !lg * cv=0.14 !boring / won 00:57:44 988/110091 games for * (cv=0.14 !boring): N=988/110091 (0.90%) 00:57:48 !lg * cv=0.15-a !boring / won 00:57:50 1271/138611 games for * (cv=0.15-a !boring): N=1271/138611 (0.92%) 00:58:13 !lg * cv=0.10 !boring / won 00:58:14 1408/213848 games for * (cv=0.10 !boring): N=1408/213848 (0.66%) 00:58:41 !lg * !boring s=cv / won 00:58:46 19408/2768075 games for * (!boring): 2173/319196x 0.14-a [0.68%], 1620/229730x 0.13-a [0.71%], 1453/175316x 0.12-a [0.83%], 1408/213848x 0.10 [0.66%], 1271/138614x 0.15-a [0.92%], 1119/185932x 0.11 [0.60%], 1051/79924x 0.11-a [1.31%], 988/110091x 0.14 [0.90%], 924/115370x 0.13 [0.80%], 896/163232x 0.9 [0.55%], 885/98590x 0.12 [0.90%], 838/135777x 0.5 [0.62%], 705/104763x 0.4 [0.67%], 680/155429x 0... 00:58:59 !lg * !boring s=cv / won o=% 00:59:03 19408/2768076 games for * (!boring): 1051/79924x 0.11-a [1.31%], 1271/138615x 0.15-a [0.92%], 885/98590x 0.12 [0.90%], 988/110091x 0.14 [0.90%], 582/65186x 0.8-a [0.89%], 551/63129x 0.10-a [0.87%], 348/41489x 0.9-a [0.84%], 1453/175316x 0.12-a [0.83%], 435/54037x 0.3 [0.81%], 924/115370x 0.13 [0.80%], 1620/229730x 0.13-a [0.71%], 2173/319196x 0.14-a [0.68%], 705/104763x 0.4 [0.67%], 1408/213848x 0... 00:59:47 mm. it gets a lot blurrier when -a versions get mixed in 00:59:47 OMGZ IS BEING MADE 2 EZ 01:00:29 well 01:00:45 at this juncture 0.15-a0 is probably the easiest version ive played compared to .13/.14 01:01:14 a wide sample 01:01:15 hm 01:01:19 very wide 01:01:28 well, there were some big change 01:01:32 0.14 had the enemy summoner nerf 01:01:35 ??lg 01:01:35 which is a huge player buff 01:01:36 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 01:01:52 so its much much easier to do elf 01:01:57 -!- Gonderlane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:02:01 and 0.15 shits the consumables at you 01:02:45 was .12 -traps -stabbing? 01:04:40 No idea 01:04:44 well it was -traps 01:05:21 those were the same version 01:05:57 also cleaving axes and new conjurer 01:06:43 !kw alpha 01:06:44 Built-in: alpha => alpha=y 01:06:49 huh 01:06:53 ah 01:06:55 cool 01:07:01 !lg * !boring !alpha s=cv / won o=% 01:07:05 10053/1593585 games for * (!boring !alpha): 885/98590x 0.12 [0.90%], 988/110093x 0.14 [0.90%], 435/54037x 0.3 [0.81%], 924/115370x 0.13 [0.80%], 705/104763x 0.4 [0.67%], 1408/213848x 0.10 [0.66%], 838/135777x 0.5 [0.62%], 1119/185932x 0.11 [0.60%], 896/163232x 0.9 [0.55%], 647/128282x 0.8 [0.50%], 680/155429x 0.7 [0.44%], 149/34917x 0.2 [0.43%], 317/77023x 0.6 [0.41%], 62/16292x 0.1 [0.38%] 01:07:08 there you go 01:07:43 !lg * !boring !alpha s=cv / won o=cv 01:07:47 10053/1593585 games for * (!boring !alpha): 988/110093x 0.14 [0.90%], 924/115370x 0.13 [0.80%], 885/98590x 0.12 [0.90%], 1119/185932x 0.11 [0.60%], 1408/213848x 0.10 [0.66%], 896/163232x 0.9 [0.55%], 647/128282x 0.8 [0.50%], 680/155429x 0.7 [0.44%], 317/77023x 0.6 [0.41%], 838/135777x 0.5 [0.62%], 705/104763x 0.4 [0.67%], 435/54037x 0.3 [0.81%], 149/34917x 0.2 [0.43%], 62/16292x 0.1 [0.38%] 01:08:13 a spooky mystery 01:08:24 well, another factor is the game existing over time 01:08:33 the player base has probably just gotten better at it 01:08:38 despite all the changes 01:08:44 but that's real hard to quantitate of course 01:08:58 yeah 01:09:19 but hey, you win less than 1/100 games 01:09:45 -!- Textmode has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:52 once it crosses 1% we start adding 4.1 features one at a time until it drops 01:11:21 why wait? 01:11:33 imo aim for 0.1% 01:12:41 cleaving axes isnt really a factor in the rate going up 01:12:44 new Cj might be 01:12:59 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:36 !won * cj cv=0.12 01:15:37 * (cj cv=0.12) has won 42 times in 5171 games (0.81%): 13xDECj 7xHaCj 5xHECj 4xDrCj 3xDsCj 2xTeCj 1xDgCj 1xHuCj 1xMfCj 1xMuCj 1xNaCj 1xOpCj 1xSpCj 1xTrCj 01:15:37 !won * cj cv=0.11 01:15:39 * (cj cv=0.11) has won 39 times in 6256 games (0.62%): 8xHECj 7xDECj 7xKoCj 6xDrCj 4xDsCj 3xNaCj 1xDgCj 1xFeCj 1xMuCj 1xVpCj 01:15:39 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:15:42 mm 01:16:03 -!- Krakhan has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:16:07 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 01:16:07 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 01:17:54 yea 01:18:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18:51 you shouldn't forget that the average skill of regular players has risen throughout the years 01:19:11 since a bunch of them have played since quite a long time ago 01:19:58 yea 01:20:10 bloax irc lied to me earlier and i thought i had gotten the fastest tiles run in real time 01:20:15 but alas it was not the case 01:20:28 !lg * tiles won min=dur 01:20:29 7728. Bloax the Slayer (L23 GrBe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-10-20 04:17:45, with 3885561 points after 31664 turns and 1:53:21. 01:20:31 was lke 50 mins to slow 01:20:32 !lg * tiles won min=dur -2 01:20:33 7727/7728. Sky the Axe Maniac (L26 HOBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-09-19 21:20:44, with 1617532 points after 66331 turns and 1:53:50. 01:20:41 i misread the time of win as the game time 01:20:42 lol 01:20:46 hehe 01:20:47 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:20:58 I'm surprised it's still standing. 01:21:09 how is sky having any kind of record 01:21:19 just set all your delays to 0 and mash otab until it works? 01:21:38 especially since it was started at like 5 in the morning without any kind of practice 01:22:06 i wasnt really thinking about it then i was at orc at like 1hr 01:22:11 and was like lets finish fast 01:22:23 it was pretty fun overall 01:22:25 -!- owl is now known as read 01:22:31 orc at 1:00:xx is pretty slow 01:23:44 !lm . br.enter=orc s=dur 01:23:45 59 milestones for PleasingFungus (br.enter=orc): 1:42:38, 1:33:07, 0:44:54, 1:56:36, 0:55:24, 1:37:36, 1:41:41, 1:40:39, 2:07:25, 2:02:57, 1:43:39, 1:09:21, 0:27:54, 2:29:33, 0:51:22, 0:46:44, 2:45:07, 1:20:18, 0:56:00, 2:29:46, 0:41:10, 1:56:55, 1:13:26, 2:45:56, 1:17:33, 1:42:24, 0:46:33, 1:55:50, 2:09:02, 1:14:54, 1:57:26, 1:00:47, 2:00:34, 0:24:19, 1:43:31, 0:54:10, 1:29:18, 0:51:08, 2:39:25, ... 01:23:50 !lm . br.enter=orc s=dur o=dur 01:23:51 59 milestones for PleasingFungus (br.enter=orc): 5:40:57, 3:29:19, 2:45:56, 2:45:07, 2:41:57, 2:39:25, 2:34:09, 2:29:46, 2:29:33, 2:24:44, 2:15:26, 2:09:02, 2:07:25, 2:02:57, 2:00:34, 1:57:26, 1:57:14, 1:56:55, 1:56:36, 1:55:50, 1:53:38, 1:53:09, 1:53:04, 1:48:47, 1:43:39, 1:43:31, 1:42:47, 1:42:38, 1:42:24, 1:41:41, 1:40:39, 1:37:36, 1:35:57, 1:34:10, 1:33:07, 1:31:33, 1:30:51, 1:29:18, 1:20:18, ... 01:23:54 !lm . br.enter=orc s=dur o=-dur 01:23:55 59 milestones for PleasingFungus (br.enter=orc): 0:24:19, 0:27:54, 0:29:54, 0:41:10, 0:44:54, 0:45:30, 0:46:33, 0:46:44, 0:51:08, 0:51:22, 0:54:10, 0:55:24, 0:56:00, 1:00:47, 1:06:01, 1:09:21, 1:13:24, 1:13:26, 1:14:54, 1:17:33, 1:20:18, 1:29:18, 1:30:51, 1:31:33, 1:33:07, 1:34:10, 1:35:57, 1:37:36, 1:40:39, 1:41:41, 1:42:24, 1:42:38, 1:42:47, 1:43:31, 1:43:39, 1:48:47, 1:53:04, 1:53:09, 1:53:38, ... 01:24:01 huh 01:24:05 yeah, I guess so 01:24:06 !lg * !@bots 01:24:08 3368303. Modest the Thaumaturge (L9 DEWz), slain by a killer bee on D:7 on 2014-06-29 06:23:56, with 2216 points after 8491 turns and 0:23:37. 01:24:15 !lg * !@bots min=dur 01:24:19 3368303. uru the Footpad (L1 DEAs), quit the game on D:1 on 2008-02-14 12:02:35, with 55 points after 0 turns and 0:00:00. 01:24:23 !lg * !@bots min=dur won 01:24:24 19408. parabolic the Conqueror (L27 HOBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-09-30 03:07:57, with 1837492 points after 55965 turns and 0:31:58. 01:24:30 pfft 01:24:34 that's basically a bot 01:24:42 !lm Bloax br.enter=orc s=dur o=-dur 01:24:45 79 milestones for Bloax (br.enter=orc): 0:11:16, 0:14:13, 0:15:40, 0:16:13, 0:16:38, 0:17:25, 0:17:42, 0:20:29, 0:21:25, 0:21:44, 0:22:16, 0:24:16, 0:26:13, 0:26:29, 0:26:47, 0:29:09, 0:30:27, 0:31:13, 0:32:44, 0:33:58, 0:36:26, 0:36:42, 0:37:00, 0:38:30, 0:39:21, 0:40:18, 0:44:03, 0:45:42, 0:53:35, 0:54:48, 0:56:52, 0:56:53, 0:59:04, 0:59:26, 1:00:18, 1:05:49, 1:06:46, 1:07:32, 1:09:02, 1:14:07, ... 01:24:56 dang...... 01:25:00 i play fast 01:25:05 hrm 01:25:06 did parabolic use a bot/? 01:25:06 !gamesby bloax 01:25:07 bloax has played 920 games, between 2012-05-28 08:04:20 and 2014-06-28 16:23:09, won 12 (1.3%), high score 18264384, total score 105822457, total turns 4464196, play-time/day 0:40:26, total time 21d+9:34:18. 01:25:13 !lg !@bots min=dur won 01:25:15 tabstorm: iirc it was tool-assisted 01:25:15 19408. parabolic the Conqueror (L27 HOBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-09-30 03:07:57, with 1837492 points after 55965 turns and 0:31:58. 01:25:19 !gamesby tabstorm 01:25:20 ??parabolic 01:25:20 tabstorm has played 274 games, between 2013-11-24 19:22:02 and 2014-06-26 20:07:33, won 53 (19.3%), high score 22809961, total score 116569585, total turns 6237612, play-time/day 2:42:30, total time 24d+6:19:54. 01:25:20 parabolic[1/1]: Lua bot that autoplays HOBe, returning control to a human pilot when it is scared of something. Written by elliptic and elliott. Piloted to a 32-minute win by elliptic. URL: http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/parabolic.rc 01:25:25 tabstorm: ^ 01:25:28 o 01:25:44 I love the phrasing. "a human pilot" 01:25:45 !lg !@bots name!=parabolic min=dur won 01:25:46 19405. qw the Executioner (L27 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-11-22 23:33:04, with 1851235 points after 56797 turns and 0:45:16. 01:25:49 hrm 01:25:53 the bots thing 01:25:54 ain'tworking 01:26:00 it basically is a pilot 01:26:03 !lg @bots 01:26:04 No games for @bots. 01:26:06 ah 01:26:09 since you're only taking over the plane when shit hits the fan 01:26:11 !lg @bot 01:26:12 10083. gw the Cudgeler (L7 OgBe of Trog), slain by a big kobold (a +0,+0 whip) on D:4 (minmay_goblin_kobold_castle) on 2014-06-07 02:00:35, with 442 points after 5925 turns and 0:02:08. 01:26:14 there we go 01:26:21 !lg !@bot min=dur won 01:26:23 19400. ophanim the Conqueror (L24 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-10 17:17:43, with 2024795 points after 43516 turns and 1:08:12. 01:26:30 yeah that's better 01:26:31 !gamesby ophanim 01:26:32 ophanim has played 2277 games, between 2011-03-24 02:03:22 and 2014-04-20 15:32:43, won 124 (5.4%), high score 10206484, total score 328320874, total turns 29672816, play-time/day 1:26:35, total time 67d+14:12:02. 01:26:35 tiles players need to get good 01:26:45 no 01:26:46 !lg !@bot min=dur won tiles 01:26:47 7728. Bloax the Slayer (L23 GrBe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-10-20 04:17:45, with 3885561 points after 31664 turns and 1:53:21. 01:26:50 right 01:26:51 I knew that 01:26:52 times is fucking laggy as shit 01:26:55 tiles* 01:27:02 and leaks resources like a broken faucet 01:27:05 rip 01:27:30 which means that you have to refresh a whole lot to keep it smooth 01:27:37 tiles is a kw for "lame excuses" 01:28:07 well since you're so good you should go improve on the time :^) 01:28:20 well you should, if you care about time 01:28:26 and besides I play console 01:28:48 ??good excuses 01:28:49 good excuses[1/3]: randomised energy 01:28:52 haha 01:28:55 nice entry 01:29:00 ??good_excudes[2 01:29:01 good excudes ~ good excuses[2/3]: circular los 01:29:03 ??good excuses[3] 01:29:04 good excuses[3/3]: I got used to spriggan metabolism 01:29:08 hahaha 01:29:18 yea bloax 01:29:22 the dang refreshing due to lag 01:29:25 tbh I kinda want to know the context for that last one 01:29:33 also imo play on beartato!!!! 01:29:34 well 01:29:35 it hardly ever lags 01:29:37 PleasingFungus: a yermak quote maybe 01:29:40 yermak starved once as a Fo 01:29:42 dang 01:29:43 on a speedrun 01:29:53 all the refreshing makes keeping the flow rather difficult 01:29:58 !lg . yermak Fo geh:7 -log 01:29:59 No keyword 'yermak' 01:30:04 !lg yermak Fo geh:7 -log 01:30:05 2. Yermak, XL27 FoGl, T:63884: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Yermak/morgue-Yermak-20140414-015105.txt 01:30:22 sigh wrong one 01:30:27 !lg Yermak Fo geh:6 -2 -log 01:30:28 No games for Yermak (Fo geh:6). 01:30:32 !lg Yermak Fo geh:7 -2 -log 01:30:33 ahem 01:30:33 1/2. Yermak, XL27 FoFi, T:30885: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Yermak/morgue-Yermak-20140325-083506.txt 01:30:34 idk he starbed 01:30:39 starved* 01:30:39 rip ;-; 01:30:48 idk how he starbed 01:30:56 mustve been using cflame excessively 01:31:19 two rings of regen probably helped 01:31:29 yep 01:31:50 you know what's funny about regen sources and their effect on your metabolism 01:32:00 so 01:32:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140620030201]] 01:32:24 if you rest with no regen 01:32:26 they can have an effect far greater than adding 50% of your regen rate, thus resulting in less hunger overall 01:32:47 rings of regen do? 01:32:48 neat 01:33:10 although i don't know exactly where the multiplier is applied 01:33:13 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:30 so maybe it hits pretty hard for actions that aren't passive 01:36:26 Who knows 01:36:42 someone who sourcedives the hunger system 01:44:49 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:42 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:47:52 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:52:49 -!- Werehuman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:56:25 Damn ’em, they do eat, but they don’t need to! That’s the rare part! A month, you say, without food? Lud, Sir, you be modest! 01:56:42 came to mind as i was playing a ghoul.. 01:57:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06:13 -!- Guest97121 is now known as mumi 02:06:52 -!- kfjohnson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:07:28 I understood that reference.gif 02:12:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:14:04 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:15:07 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:33 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1790-g678327c (34) 02:19:42 -!- sudarshans has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:20:49 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:26:16 -!- DayBay has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:27:54 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:10 -!- HamsterSaurusMex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:34:20 -!- ChangeAj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:36:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:39:01 -!- Fortescue has quit [Changing host] 02:39:01 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:26 -!- fearitself has quit [Changing host] 02:40:29 -!- conted has quit [Changing host] 02:40:30 -!- Galewind has quit [Changing host] 02:40:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Changing host] 02:40:33 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:36 -!- zinny has quit [Changing host] 02:40:39 -!- category has quit [Changing host] 02:40:48 -!- HDA has quit [Changing host] 03:05:20 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14:11 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:14:43 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:55 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:33:33 -!- zinny has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:51:35 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:53:02 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:59:08 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:02:07 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:05:22 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:06:18 -!- dexap is now known as paxed 04:26:41 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:29:55 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:35:45 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:36:29 -!- Krakhan has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:36:31 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 04:36:32 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 04:45:22 -!- Textmode has quit [*.net *.split] 04:45:22 -!- varmin has quit [*.net *.split] 04:45:29 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:46:08 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:09 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:04 -!- Fortescue has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58:07 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:42 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:04:05 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 05:06:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:06:26 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:09:08 -!- Fortescue has quit [*.net *.split] 05:09:08 -!- orost_ has quit [*.net *.split] 05:09:08 -!- Lprsti99___ has quit [*.net *.split] 05:09:08 -!- codehero has quit [*.net *.split] 05:09:38 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:54 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:43 -!- ivan`` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31:51 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:54 -!- ivan`` has quit [Changing host] 05:31:54 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:55 -!- agenius has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:32:21 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:33:11 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:55 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:39:07 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:54:23 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:50 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:05:54 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Client Quit] 06:06:02 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:11:29 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:56 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:36:20 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:49:47 hmm, door mimics were removed recently, right? 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10:22:27 or can we de-associate them and implement total chunk stacking + stochastic rotting right now, in trunk? 10:23:48 I guess purple chunks are a thing. 10:25:14 simulacrum? Of course you can take the implementation from chunkless 10:25:27 simulacrum doesn't use chunks anymore. 10:25:34 Oh, it's already in trunk? 10:25:37 yes 10:25:41 as of a few weeks ago, yeah 10:25:41 neat :) 10:25:43 :) 10:27:09 why would purple chunks being a thing be a problem with it? presumably you'd just have clean/poisoned/mutagenic/hcl chunks be separate things 10:27:17 yeah, I thought of that after sending that message 10:27:41 I guess maybe people don't want to put the effort into this when ~chunkless~ is still over the horizon? 10:27:56 chunkless seems a way off being an actual thing 10:28:00 yeah 10:28:08 so i don't think it should preclude other improvements 10:28:13 well, I can take a crack at it a little later. 10:28:21 -!- zkyp_ is now known as zkyp 10:28:21 seems like it'd be a fun project. 10:28:24 certainly if you feel like working on it i'd say go for it, yeah 10:28:48 but this will ruin the flavour of all those vaults that specify chunk types...! 10:29:45 huh, there's like half a dozen vaults that specify chunk types. surprisingly low 10:32:52 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:34:49 -!- fleug has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:36:12 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:48 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:43:12 -!- flueg has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:49:33 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:50:03 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:50:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:52:07 PleasingFungus: is there any reason to keep diamond obelisks in the code? i don't see anything it can do that a vault monster couldn't 10:52:07 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:52:35 obelisk form 10:52:35 wheals: what was the reason to put them in the code in the first place? actual question 10:52:48 uhhhhh 10:53:04 hha 10:53:07 yeah go for it 10:53:09 probably they predate perm_ench:tornado 10:53:59 oh 10:54:06 %git 5733cd68f1134c75 10:54:06 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-2339-g5733cd6: Make diamond obelisks fully indestructible. 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 8 files, 24+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5733cd68f113 10:54:11 "newbioe trap" 10:54:16 s/o/ 10:54:42 well, that's kind of a moot point now 10:54:53 -!- rbrrk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:06 what about the people who shatter into eye_of_the_storm and try to kill it?? 10:55:34 it may as well be an actual monster and do the weird stuff it does properly 10:57:51 also could do with a new desc by the look of it 10:58:16 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:16 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:02:57 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:03:52 <|amethyst> wheals: One thing it can do that a vault monster can't is not be a vault monster 11:04:49 <|amethyst> %bug 6979 11:04:49 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6979 11:06:09 loving kb's comment 11:07:25 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:03 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:14:55 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:58 -!- LIX is now known as FiftyNine 11:19:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:20:20 -!- [thor] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22:37 i can't think of many uses of a diamond obelisk that don't violate most standards of vault design 11:24:21 -!- Taxi has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 11:27:04 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 11:27:14 yeah they're an interesting idea at first and then you think "wait what the hell do i do with this" and then all you get is using them as decoration 11:27:14 nicolae-: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:27:19 !messages 11:27:19 (1/1) Grunt said (1d 14h 44m 7s ago): tomb subvaults \o/ 11:27:29 -!- Tedronai has quit [Client Quit] 11:28:52 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:04 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1791-g251b7a6: Improve some monster descriptions 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=251b7a64e320 11:32:33 ugh, that old succubi description 11:32:37 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:41 succubus... what the hell, i didn't know those existed 11:33:43 you should look up what it used to be before that 11:33:55 it's quite something 11:33:58 <|amethyst> "A female demon who uses her charms to seduce humanoid males." 11:34:02 <|amethyst> But that's a lie 11:34:19 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:33 <|amethyst> succubi aren't demonic 11:35:03 "I'm afraid I have bad news" 11:35:15 apparently they... cast malign gateway 11:35:26 maybe a different name is in order 11:35:55 yes 11:36:05 I think crawl probably does not need to have succubi 11:36:18 as a name/theme for an enemy type 11:36:22 agreedo 11:36:28 <|amethyst> nor "kamikazi kobold" 11:36:55 <|amethyst> Unless we also want to have "concentration camp guard" 11:37:29 new sprint idea????? 11:37:31 (no) 11:38:10 volatile kobold 11:38:28 <|amethyst> s/zi/ze/ 11:39:52 -!- tbuck_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:40:21 just replace it with a guardian golem 11:41:51 I was trying to get one of those to explode the other day, for some reason. it was startlingly difficult 11:42:46 do guardian golems absorb damage to you, or just your other summons 11:42:50 -!- FiftyNine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:51 summons 11:43:24 -!- dtrebbien has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:37 otherwise you could do something silly like summon one, stick it behind a door and basically have free hp 11:43:42 -!- FiftyNine has left ##crawl-dev 11:43:55 well you'd have free hp in general 11:44:16 <|amethyst> isn't giving free HP to your summons bad too? 11:44:20 -!- ccasin has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:44:33 it's bad until the golem explodes on top of them 11:45:02 This spell summons a protective golem. It redirects the injuries of its allies (but not the caster!) to itself, though it risks overheating after absorbing significant amounts of damage. It will gain more health at high power. 11:45:14 <|amethyst> That is also a lie 11:45:19 dang 11:45:21 <|amethyst> it can redirect the injuries of its caster just fine 11:45:24 <|amethyst> just not players 11:45:28 haha 11:45:33 do any monsters cast it? 11:45:36 player ghosts? 11:45:37 panlords? 11:45:52 Hi. Does Stone Soup have a light theme on Mac? I have Terminal.app configured to use a light theme, but when I start crawl, it switches the terminal to a dark theme: http://imgur.com/a/ndQ0N 11:45:57 <|amethyst> it is not on the ghost/panlord list 11:45:59 shouldnt it need to be within LOS to absorb damage? 11:46:15 <|amethyst> dtrebbien: no, crawl always uses a black background 11:46:24 <|amethyst> dtrebbien: AFAIK there is no way to change that 11:46:35 <|amethyst> dtrebbien: other than to change your terminal's definition of black 11:46:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1792-g2817eca: Improve some checks. 10(63 minutes ago, 4 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2817eca4d6f3 11:46:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1793-gf4e1034: Improve Rupert's title. 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4e1034dece9 11:46:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1794-ge474da1: Rename bless.{cc,h} -> godblessing.{cc,h}. 10(19 minutes ago, 8 files, 885+ 885-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e474da1e0004 11:47:08 Ah, great, I was refactoring the bless.cc code.. 11:47:13 I use a light theme because the dark theme is too hard for me to read without blasting up the brightness. 11:47:19 Oh well, I think git handles that automatically? 11:47:43 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:43 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:42 <|amethyst> "the Nutty"? 11:48:56 yeah idk about that one 11:49:04 (other changes seem fine, probably) 11:49:26 the Wild, maybe? or the Feral? 11:49:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:50:01 *hits up thesaurus dot com* the Savage? Ferocious? Untamed? 11:50:13 <|amethyst> Rupert of the Apes 11:50:21 tbh I think the right solution is to just made zin consider him unclean 11:50:24 *make 11:50:24 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140626181429]] 11:50:25 Rupert, Rupert, Rupert of the Jungle 11:50:32 <|amethyst> why would he be unclean? 11:50:35 <|amethyst> because of bad manners? 11:50:43 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 11:50:45 because he's called the unclean 11:50:47 obv 11:50:49 zin respects titles! 11:50:54 zin is law-abiding 11:51:07 <|amethyst> I figured that was supposed to mean "Unwashed", not "Treyf" 11:51:28 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:28 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:51:48 Rupert of the Bad Manners 11:51:58 <|amethyst> Rude-pert 11:52:04 'rupert the savage' seems fairly reasonable, as long as it doesn't seem too close to e.g. 'rupert the redskin' 11:52:17