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ZZZzzz…] 00:30:49 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:32:39 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:05 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Using leafChat 2] 00:35:03 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:14 -!- rast- is now known as rast 00:38:10 hm 00:38:24 I am trying and failing to figure out how ctrl-direction commands are actually used by the code 00:38:32 or, perhaps, where 00:41:02 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:41:14 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: "It's... bigger on the inside!"] 00:41:36 I think its using open door as the code 00:41:46 CMD_OPEN_DOOR 00:42:08 ..... 00:43:05 you are correct 00:43:07 how awful 00:43:25 (thank you!) 00:43:49 #crawlcode 00:44:21 p much 00:49:33 PleasingFungus: to swing your weapo at empty spaces you mean? 00:49:36 *weapon 00:49:39 yep 00:49:53 -!- Red_Bucket has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:05 well, for trying to hit an invis enemy without potentially moving 00:50:05 I'm considering making all tree-form move commands act as ctrl-move commands 00:50:10 Is it intended that you can still evade while asleep 00:50:15 since it really really confuses players 00:50:36 mainly when the character is confused 00:51:19 PleasingFungus: hrm, that's probably a bad idea 00:51:21 alternately making it give a "(Use ctrl+direction to attack without moving)" tip when confused + treeformed 00:51:23 since they'll waste a turn? 00:51:52 maybe I don't understand what you're actually doing though 00:52:13 no that's true 00:52:24 also i think it might override the 'you might get penance for this' warnings 00:53:02 hm. trying and failing to find the code that actually prevents you from moving, while a tree 00:53:12 grep the message 00:53:17 too bad I don't know what it is 00:53:26 You cannot move. 00:54:07 grep MSG_CANNOT_MOVE 00:54:15 yep 00:54:17 found it 00:54:19 it's in a weird place, though 00:54:23 Has anybody been pushing for changes in stealth/invisibility lately? 00:54:31 yeah, main.cc 00:54:36 Red_Bucket: not afaik 00:54:38 gammafunk: no I mean 00:54:48 it's below a bunch of stuff that's supposed to be triggered by movement 00:54:58 manticore spines, formicid digging, etc 00:55:16 mm. I wonder if it's secretly targ_pass 00:55:25 ha 00:55:27 it is 00:55:41 what a wonderful use of a variable 00:55:46 yeah, the block I'm taling about 00:55:55 references targ_pass 00:56:43 hm 00:56:57 so could just change if (you.form == TRAN_TREE) canned_msg(MSG_CANNOT_MOVE); 00:56:59 to 00:57:27 if (you.form == TRAN_TREE) mpr("You cannot move. (Use ctrl+direction to attack without moving)"); 00:57:51 at least when confused? 00:58:51 ahaha this is the stupidest interaction in the world 00:59:20 if you're confused & treeformed, attempting to move will randomly choose a direction 00:59:37 but if it chooses a direction that doesn't have an enemy, it prints "you cannot move" and doesn't actually take any time 00:59:44 good bug 01:00:07 so you just keep hitting the direction you want until the game chooses it 01:00:18 also technically this probably has really stupid interactions with invisible enemies 01:00:50 Does anything NOT have stupid interactions with invisible things? 01:02:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:04:10 man. what is even the *right* behaviour there? 01:04:52 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06:53 Confusion letting the player walk on lava might have been the stupidest interaction ever (at least of ones good players used on purpose). 01:08:00 Was that actually intended though? 01:09:22 -!- HamsterSaurusMex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:11:34 <|amethyst> I think using arrow keys to attack a visible monster should behave as ctrl-direction for confusion purposes 01:11:37 Bcadren: walk, not swim? 01:12:02 -!- Bcadren is now known as clothespin 01:12:12 <|amethyst> I guess that is not the case for technical reasons 01:12:23 yeah 01:12:27 I'm implementing a sort of kind of fix 01:12:37 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:57 SamB there was an old glitch where if you were confused and stumbled into water or lava, you end up on the other side. It was part of the 'scrambling to safety' check... 01:13:12 hah 01:13:19 not really a glitch 01:13:24 more of a stupid behaviour 01:13:30 was it random which side? 01:13:37 well, which adjacent tile 01:13:59 SamB Though it still works (scrambling to safety) you now end up where you started because of how much people abused that. (stashing confusion pots to get to those early altars on the other side of water/lava especially. 01:14:06 well 01:14:09 scrambling was removed 01:14:15 hahaha 01:14:17 so you now end up dead 01:14:24 really? 01:14:29 <|amethyst> yes 01:14:30 %git :/crambling 01:14:43 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-61-g63a2329: Remove scrambling. 10(3 months ago, 17 files, 49+ 149-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63a232999fb6 01:15:01 In 0.13 you just always went to the same spot to prevent that...oh well. 01:15:14 |amethyst: I'm letting players use non-ctrl orders as a confused tree to check for potential piety violations, and also so they can avoid issuing ctrl-attack orders when they were trying to move (and didn't realize they were treed) 01:15:26 but after the piety check, the code bails 01:15:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the thing I mentioned applies to non-trees as well 01:15:31 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:38 ah 01:15:53 well, the problem is the piety check 01:15:59 penance check 01:16:03 penance warning 01:16:10 In other games, you can't stay still while confused 01:16:17 IMO, implement that in crawl for consistency 01:16:29 or make enemies stay still when confused 01:16:29 and keep the drownage? 01:16:41 <|amethyst> Red_Bucket: and mushrooms should make you big 01:16:43 enemies are kind of dumb 01:16:52 <|amethyst> Red_Bucket: smart creatures do stay still while confused next to water/lava 01:16:53 |amethyst: some of them should give you extra lives 01:16:53 And while you're improving monster AI, make centaurs run away when in melee range 01:17:02 <|amethyst> ... 01:17:05 !send 4.1 Red_Bucket 01:17:06 lol 01:17:06 Sending Red_Bucket to 4.1. 01:17:08 <|amethyst> Red_Bucket: you can play 4.1 if you want 01:17:12 A centaur should be at least as smart as a spider 01:17:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus beat me to it :) 01:17:16 :) 01:17:30 red_bucket + bcadren tag-teaming. this is quite the friday night 01:17:52 -!- Phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:17:57 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:18:07 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:18:37 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:48 I asked this earlier and either didn't get an answer or no one answered until after I left...the Labyrinth, is that a standard Cubic maze algorithm? 01:19:00 red_bucket: you can play Brogue if you want that 01:19:14 clothespin: you can just look at the code for it and find out, unless you already did that 01:19:16 <|amethyst> cubic maze? 01:19:32 I doubt anyone knows off the top of their head anyway, labs are ancient 01:20:00 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:38 It's actually older than Rogue. Cubic maze fills the space completely with 1-thickness hallways and is transversible in Taxicab. 01:20:39 If we make stealth stronger but stabbing weaker, could we implement stealth on enemies 01:21:27 <|amethyst> clothespin: do you have a link for the algorithm you're talking about? 01:21:35 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:58 -!- clothespin is now known as Clothespeg 01:21:58 <|amethyst> and what do you mean by "in Taxicab"? 01:22:23 <|amethyst> by orthogonal movements only? 01:22:31 |amethyst yea. 01:22:37 there are many different ways to fill a space completely with 1-thickness hallways 01:22:50 <|amethyst> both of those are true for the non-vault part of crawl labs 01:23:57 It generates a correct path then fills the entirety of the rest of the space with dead-ends. And I had a link earlier, but I don't now. 01:24:02 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:24:06 <|amethyst> then no 01:24:43 <|amethyst> this does a randomized flood-fill from the start, picks a random floor spot as the end, and places the exit vault around that spot 01:25:52 |amethyst: how come the player never starts in the exit vault? 01:26:42 <|amethyst> s/from the start/ 01:27:09 <|amethyst> the entry gets placed last; it's just a random starting point for the flood fill 01:27:33 It looks like similar results, but I've never seen the Labyrinth completely obviously... 01:27:46 <|amethyst> you can see it in wizmode 01:27:49 Does it actually shift? I've just assumed the noises are Red Herring 01:28:09 <|amethyst> only very slightly 01:28:46 Be kind of cool if it actually could shift a lot...without turning abyssal. 01:29:07 hm 01:29:09 can trees be netted 01:29:27 Speaking of abyss...is that just a Gaussian Random Field (outside of the vaults, obviously). 01:29:32 yes 01:30:00 <|amethyst> Clothespeg: no 01:30:15 fr abyssal lab 01:30:23 <|amethyst> Clothespeg: it's a combination of several generators, with worley noise being one of the major ones 01:30:57 I'd been playing with just using Gaussian field and then checking that paths actually work. it's interesting. 01:30:57 a personal record for a ratio of (commit comment : commit) length 01:31:03 <|amethyst> Clothespeg: see abyss.cc and dgn-proclayouts.cc 01:31:40 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1769-g851bb8d: Improve confused tree behaviour 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=851bb8df2a1d 01:33:26 and for all that verbiage, it's not even a very well-written commit comment :( 01:34:11 fr confused trees 01:34:17 they already exist! 01:34:18 :) 01:35:48 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:36:20 Gaussian 'tunneling' as I'm nicknaming it might actually look good for spiders or ants. [literally randomly decide by space if wall or floor; then parse through to make it one connected body by deleting one wall to match... 01:36:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:28 -!- Clothespeg is now known as Bcadren 01:38:44 Well I think I'm going to nap, then get back on my own code. pc for now. 01:41:30 -!- allbefore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:45:50 -!- ChangeAj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:35 -!- allbefore1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:49 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:02:16 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 02:13:07 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:13:53 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140620030201]] 02:22:47 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1769-g851bb8d (34) 02:23:05 -!- ruwin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:30 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:33:30 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:40:25 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:52 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:52:59 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:54:43 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55:36 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:56:47 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:37 what does "Recognize gastropodal leadership potential (gammafunk)" 03:00:38 mean 03:00:45 something with snail bands? 03:02:35 <|amethyst> Red_Bucket: torpor snails count as "natural leaders" now 03:02:44 <|amethyst> Red_Bucket: meaning their band members will follow them around 03:03:55 So does that mean they are always the leader when placed in bands or something? 03:04:53 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:04:57 Or it prevents them from being left behind 03:05:44 <|amethyst> only when the snail is the monster that caused the band to be placed 03:05:50 <|amethyst> not when it appears in someone else's band 03:06:38 ...Snails are back? yay! 03:07:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:07:26 why is gastronok considered unclean 03:08:04 <|amethyst> I guess because he got his powers by eating a human 03:08:38 <|amethyst> or his intelligence counts as the bad kind of transformation for Zin's purposes 03:09:53 I'd kind of like to see the Snail statue back, if only as a vault creature. 03:10:17 Isn't replacing lumps for degeneration kind of weird 03:11:07 Like, maybe it should roll polymorph for something of a lower int class and lower XP level 03:12:03 it would also make more sense as a necromancy spell, because it's drain+polymorph 03:12:24 we don't need more necro spells. 03:12:45 cigo is already a necro spell 03:12:54 cigotuvi's degeneration 03:13:16 So that actually got made, interesting. 03:13:46 it's been around forever, it just got made weird recently because they removed pulsating lumps 03:14:12 <|amethyst> Cigotuvi's Degeneration has been gone for a year 03:14:27 <|amethyst> %git 416d22a 03:14:29 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-2820-g416d22a: Make Cigotuvi's Degeneration an un-spell. 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 16 files, 10+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=416d22acd9f1 03:14:32 <|amethyst> %git 7fc62a5 03:14:33 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-1292-g7fc62a5: Drop Cigotuvi's from the Vitriol card. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fc62a56f152 03:14:50 Why did they bother doing that one change if they were just gonna remove it 03:15:01 <|amethyst> which one change? 03:15:19 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:28 <|amethyst> :q 03:15:30 <|amethyst> err 03:15:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:04 oops, misread that commit 03:16:58 Well anyway, reading that commit about profance servitors reminds me that I wish holy wrath actually did holy damage 03:17:32 Oh I was referring to the suggestion that was like a return for it, kind of. More useful than Polymorph, less than only Cigo...drop two HD, roll polymorph. I thought that's what you meant. 03:18:28 Why should holy wrath only affect evil races when all the holy spells also do more damage to evil people 03:18:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:08 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:20:24 Although, holy word also doesn't work on evil naturals 03:20:50 They are all different damage types. Why is a good question though. 03:21:36 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:22:45 holy wrath isn't a damage type, it's a slaying bonus 03:23:13 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:23:26 <|amethyst> a slaying bonus 03:23:28 <|amethyst> ? 03:23:54 It's strictly multiplicative damage like Flaming, but it checks monster type, instead of resists...*shrug* 03:25:07 but no; multiplicative damage and slaying bonuses don't work remotely alike... 03:25:28 ASSERT(save) in 'tags.h' at line 51 failed. 03:25:28 %??ghost crab 03:25:39 What are these things 03:25:50 <|amethyst> ??ghostly flame 03:25:50 ghostly flame ~ ghostly flames[1/1]: Makes clouds which deal negative energy damage and spawn spectral things. 03:25:55 <|amethyst> they breathe that 03:26:36 How close are we to acid crabs? 03:27:12 <|amethyst> acid clouds exist now 03:27:25 we need storm crabs too 03:28:23 <|amethyst> breathing storm clouds would be a little strange 03:28:35 <|amethyst> but if something did have it, I think it would be more in-flavour for a drake 03:30:43 But storm clouds don't do a lot of good if you can quickly get out of them 03:30:54 And only crabs get big clouds that are hard to walk out of 03:32:06 <|amethyst> death drakes and swamp drakes get big clouds 03:32:27 <|amethyst> and swamp dragons 03:32:28 Acid Dragon! Acid Dragon! 03:33:13 It would be totally evil if you gave Bone Dragons Ghostly Flame... 03:51:12 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:53:47 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:50 -!- Kannicoriacraxic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:06:14 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:09:07 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:33:21 I love y'all! 04:41:24 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:48 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:43:17 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:52:25 -!- asdfe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:55:49 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:05 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 04:59:25 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:05:37 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:15:31 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:15:32 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:15:56 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:13 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24:17 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:24:46 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:28 !messages 05:32:29 No messages for TZer0. 05:47:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48:05 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:49:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:59:28 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:02 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:14:34 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:22 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:33 -!- popx has quit [Client Quit] 06:28:31 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 06:43:01 -!- lkid has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:48:45 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 06:52:24 -!- djetty has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:07 -!- eki has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:59:09 the solution is simpe 06:59:15 STORM CRABS 06:59:30 *STORM ACID CRABS 07:02:49 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:54 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:10:03 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:12:33 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:11 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:17 %git :/mesclr 07:25:33 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1654-gceae2ed: Rename 'mesclr()' to 'clear_messages()' 10(6 days ago, 40 files, 147+ 146-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ceae2edba1c5 07:25:33 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:33 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:00 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 07:33:39 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:48 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44:48 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:03 -!- zin is now known as zinny 07:55:25 -!- eki has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00:02 Monsoon (L12 VpAs) ASSERT(!you.turn_is_over) in 'state.cc' at line 186 failed. (Lair:4) 08:08:22 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:58 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:13:19 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:18:18 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:00 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 08:28:36 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:35:31 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:36:18 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:32 !tell reaverb: I've got the branch updated, and I have actually correctly checked that it compiles this time. I think the history is fixed up, master is merged, fail_check is incorporated, and the Grand Renaming of Ru is complete. 08:37:32 Lasty1: OK, I'll let reaverb: know. 08:45:08 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:41 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 08:51:01 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:56 -!- zinny has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:46 Hello, can I ask for some help here? I can't run the game locally. 08:54:38 Hmm, I'm not sure if any of the devs are paying attention... 08:55:33 it's no problem, I'll hang around here until someone responds 08:55:55 zinny: are you on windows? 08:56:19 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 08:58:01 There's a forum thread about what looks like the same problem: 08:58:02 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12520&p=175925&hilit=crash+log#p175925 08:58:20 It wasn't solved though 09:02:46 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:39 Yes I am on windows. Hmmm... the only thing I can think of aside from some mysterious bug is the dpi scaling, I'd give that a shot but honestly I wouldn't leave my PC on low-dpi, as much as I wanna play the game :/ 09:04:49 Guess I just have to play online >_< 09:05:19 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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(No actor in stationary net at (50,23)) (Shoals:2) 09:51:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:00 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:15:04 <|amethyst> Grunt: re the eye_of_the_storm hatch thing, did some testing by making it an encompass vault 10:15:44 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:56 <|amethyst> Grunt: It seems like the problem is in fact that the obelisk itself is not no_rtele_into 10:16:39 Lasty1: I'm looking at the Ru stuff now.... There seem to be a couple problems with the rename commit, would you mind if I rewrote history on that if I was to fix that? 10:16:40 reaverb: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:16:44 !messages 10:16:44 (1/1) gammafunk said (11h 29m 2s ago): You could remove the melee-only ; from the swamp water population like you did elsewhere (the swamp worms can stay) 10:17:35 <|amethyst> I would not rewrite history on Lasty's branch 10:17:38 Lasty2: 4 messages above this one. 10:18:40 |amethyst: Well of course I would only do it if Lasty said it was fine. 10:19:46 it's a pretty public branch at this point isn't it? probably a bunch of people have it checked out 10:19:47 <|amethyst> at least, we should make up our minds about whether or not it is a public branch 10:20:03 |amethyst: I'm not talking about the iashol branch. 10:20:24 I'm talking about the private crawl-lasty branch which Lasty pushes to. 10:20:44 The rename commit isn't in crawl/iashol yet. 10:21:17 <|amethyst> ah 10:21:24 <|amethyst> wait, you can push to crawl-lasty? 10:21:43 |amethyst: No, but if I rewrote history before pushing to iashol. 10:21:49 <|amethyst> oh 10:22:09 <|amethyst> okay, I understand now 10:24:40 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:26:29 <|amethyst> Sar has a good point on Tavern: with plus squashing, shouldn't +0 items now be preidentified? 10:26:47 |amethyst: That seems completely reasonable. 10:27:10 Hmm, Tavern's been getting a lot of stuff in the game lately. 10:27:33 <|amethyst> or, well, plusses and brand identified 10:27:45 <|amethyst> I guess curse might be unknown 10:27:56 <|amethyst> s/+0/unruned/ 10:28:15 <|amethyst> unruned and nonart 10:31:13 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 10:32:09 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:32:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:34:08 <|amethyst> it's not possible to prevent can_overwrite vaults from placing at a particular location, is it? 10:34:25 it was kind of the whole point of can_overwrite 10:34:36 to be able to be placed even if the whole level is already a vault 10:34:41 <|amethyst> right 10:35:00 <|amethyst> but placing on a vault is kind of different from placing in a disconnected area 10:35:11 <|amethyst> especially a deadly disconnected area 10:35:27 <|amethyst> !vault nicolae_qazlal_eye_of_the_storm 10:35:27 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des;hb=HEAD#l1459 10:35:31 levels with unreachable disconnected areas should be vetoed anyway 10:35:52 <|amethyst> Zaba: not if they're in a vault 10:36:08 then they're the vault designer's fault :P 10:36:09 <|amethyst> otherwise aquariums, monsters in glass, etc. wouldn't work 10:36:20 but yeah, I see your point 10:36:31 <|amethyst> so you're saying that qazlal vault should have an entrance? 10:36:41 <|amethyst> to the obelisk that is 10:36:53 <|amethyst> or shouldn't exist? 10:37:01 but adding another level of overwritable/non-overwritable on top of what MMT_VAULT/can_overwrite do just seems like a technically bad idea to me, too 10:37:29 <|amethyst> hm 10:37:40 Well can_overwrite works weird for other reasons to. 10:37:44 <|amethyst> perhaps unique vault placement could check no_rtele_into somehow 10:37:47 hmm, could prevent can_overwrite vaults from placing on no_tele_into squares 10:37:51 Example: Uniques turning doors into floor. 10:37:54 damn, you beat me to it ;) 10:38:00 <|amethyst> Zaba: I don't know about in general 10:38:08 <|amethyst> Zaba: but it definitely makes sense for 1x1 vaults 10:38:29 I think that using can_overwrite for anything larger is a mistake anyway 10:39:08 <|amethyst> oh 10:39:17 -!- Jorsku has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:39:17 <|amethyst> it looks like all our can_overwrite vaults are in fact 1x1 10:39:27 should probably enforce that before it's too late 10:40:10 <|amethyst> all the non-unique ones are portals (pan, hell, abyss, zig); not sure whether placing those in disconnected areas would veto 10:40:38 Yeah, a few more restirctions on can_overwrite like always being 1x1, always being generated on floor, not in no_rtele_into areas, etc. might be good. 10:40:51 probably rename it to "important_tile" or such. 10:41:14 not into no_tele_into would be a weird special case, but it sounds like it'd solve the problem indeed 10:42:20 Sigmund spawning in eye_of_the_storm was one of the funniest things I saw in crawl. 10:43:52 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1770-gcd3db6f: Don't shaft/hatch people into a death trap. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd3db6f1a579 10:43:54 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:44:38 <|amethyst> doh... should have said "decorative death trap" 10:44:54 <|amethyst> l'�sprit de l'escalier 10:45:17 <|amethyst> err, s/�/e/ 10:45:51 Bloax: Feel free to make an "second_circle" vault with a bunch of uniques in a closed obliesk area that spawns in Hell. 10:46:05 That actually seems pretty cool... 10:46:11 <|amethyst> reaverb: they'd all be dead by the time you saw them 10:46:29 |amethyst: Oh, hmm, so you'd need lua magic. 10:46:41 make the obelisk have a very weak version of tornado 10:46:42 <|amethyst> we had a burn victims vault 10:46:43 :^) 10:46:45 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:46:52 <|amethyst> where the fire started up when you came into LOS 10:47:00 <|amethyst> it was removed 10:47:08 |amethyst: Ah. 10:48:31 <|amethyst> trying to find the commit that removed it 10:49:13 <|amethyst> %git 284e1e69 10:49:14 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-1353-g284e1e6: Remove some problematic vaults. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 6 files, 0+ 286-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=284e1e693cda 10:49:21 <|amethyst> "People randomly combusting for no explainable reason are no good, either" 10:50:33 Hmm, that removed the wand duel vault too. 10:50:43 |amethyst: Yes, I was imagining it was a close area. 10:54:05 03zaba02 07* 0.15-a0-1771-g2189105: Enforce a 1x1 size constraint on can_overwrite vaults. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=218910543e56 10:54:24 -!- sativa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:17 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:30 Wow, first Zaba commit in almost a year and a half. 10:55:42 That was probably before I joined the community... 10:55:44 I know, right 10:55:56 having hardware that can compile crawl in under four minutes helps ;p 10:56:17 Zaba: Ha, I've never let slow compile times stop me!!!! 10:56:24 though the amount of full recompiles one has to do is still ridiculous 10:56:26 I should probably just set up ccache or something. 10:58:12 Hmm, lasty's branch combines master in a weird way. 10:58:29 It's not a merge, the master branch commit are rebased into the branch history. 10:58:41 <|amethyst> ugh 10:58:59 |amethyst: Hmm, let me see if I can fix this. 11:00:07 <|amethyst> Zaba: yeah, I recently replaced my computer, and went from about 10 minutes to about 1.5 minutes for an uncached full unoptimised webtiles build 11:01:14 <|amethyst> Zaba: about about 5-10 seconds if it's fully cached 11:01:30 hmm 11:01:49 <|amethyst> (I am using -j5) 11:01:55 a full debug build takes me 1:12 11:01:57 with -j4 11:04:58 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:24 <|amethyst> Zaba: pretty much the same here 11:05:52 hm, I wonder how do I build a test case for the can_overwrite and no_rtele_into thing 11:05:56 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:06:09 <|amethyst> Zaba: Make that eye_of_the_storm vault into an encompass vault 11:06:31 <|amethyst> Zaba: then &P it on some level where a unique will generate 11:06:50 <|amethyst> could maybe add PLACE: to some unique vaults to ensure that happens 11:07:05 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:07:14 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:25 sounds like a plan 11:08:11 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:28 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:11:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1772-g0487cf0: Document can_overwrite constraint. 10(21 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0487cf09ed83 11:12:03 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:38 -!- zinny has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:14:05 hmm 11:14:14 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:14:16 seems to work 11:14:16 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:15:27 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:47 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:52 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:54 -!- rast- is now known as rast 11:17:33 <|amethyst> Zaba: there's a closely related bug on mantis, let me find it 11:17:45 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7234 11:18:16 someone fixed the summons map border crash, for reasons relating to my own foolishness, I can't find the relevant commit (I want to close the bug) 11:18:37 hmm 11:18:55 <|amethyst> Didn't MarvinPA do something where walls are now no_rtele_into ? 11:19:05 <|amethyst> if so, I think this change might fix that bug 11:19:13 <|amethyst> or was that only layout vaults? 11:19:14 i think that was elliptic 11:19:16 <|amethyst> ah 11:19:34 if you mean the thing stopping you from digging out levels to affect teleportation 11:19:37 <|amethyst> yeah 11:19:40 <|amethyst> %git 93df09 11:19:40 07elliptic02 * 0.12-a0-1329-g93df097: Prevent digging from influencing teleportation. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 13+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=93df097427e1 11:19:54 <|amethyst> it looks like that's at the end of _dgn_postprocess_level 11:20:07 <|amethyst> so I think applies to vaults too 11:21:42 <|amethyst> btw, I think 0.16 should be the version where we make transparent the default 11:21:53 03zaba02 07* 0.15-a0-1773-g80c2592: Don't place can_overwrite vaults on top of no_tele_into squares. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=80c259224f81 11:22:14 hm 11:22:29 is there any wisdom in placing can_overwrite vaults on top of non-travel-passable squares at all? 11:22:45 I was under the impression that didn't happen 11:23:00 The "it's" in that comment is kind of ambigous, I'm guessing it means "can_overwrite" 11:23:42 yes 11:24:03 I'm too derped to grammar things acceptable, as it appears 11:24:07 acceptably* 11:24:57 hmmm 11:25:09 <|amethyst> Zaba: I think if they're always 1x1 you could disallow that 11:25:36 <|amethyst> larger vaults you might not have a big enough floor space for 11:25:37 _may_overwrite_feature is already a collection of arbitrary rules, I wouldn't want to add a /different/ set of arbitrary rules for can_overwrite vaults 11:26:03 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:02 hm, but solid squares are marked as no_rtele_into since 93df097, and we don't place can_overwrite vaults onto such squares anymore 11:27:13 so that particular instance of that bug is actually fixed now 11:27:18 <|amethyst> Zaba: yeah, that's what I was saying 11:27:30 but in a terribly indirect manner 11:27:41 <|amethyst> <+|amethyst> if so, I think this change might fix that bug 11:27:52 <|amethyst> but yeah, I guess that was less direct than it could be 11:27:57 <|amethyst> and terribly inspecific 11:28:01 <|amethyst> in two ways 11:28:09 yeah, sorry, I was distracted for that particular part of the scrollback 11:28:20 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:49 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:29:21 <|amethyst> oh, wait 11:29:21 |amethyst, on the other hand, it might be better to just 'officially' extend the notion of no_tele_into to this 11:29:27 <|amethyst> actually 11:29:47 <|amethyst> I think the no_rtele_into gets applied later 11:29:57 <|amethyst> so this wouldn't fix that one 11:30:08 ah yes 11:30:36 hrmm 11:30:41 <|amethyst> uniques won't place inside non-vault walls 11:30:46 <|amethyst> because of the veto checks 11:30:59 <|amethyst> (in case you're testing this) 11:31:25 -!- Phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:45 well, could mark solid squares as no_rtele_into at vault placement time in addition to dgn_postprocess... 11:31:58 but this would be too hacky 11:32:04 <|amethyst> I think that would be bad 11:32:16 <|amethyst> because most vaults would then become no_rtele_into 11:32:27 <|amethyst> because they overwrote walls from the layout vault 11:32:36 hm, right 11:32:39 bad idea is bad 11:32:58 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:31 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:34:06 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:12 only letting can_overwrite vaults place on floor just seems too much like a special-case to me for some reason 11:34:24 even though I think it would address the issue just fine 11:34:41 <|amethyst> Zaba: then do as reaverb suggested and rename the tag 11:34:45 (as long as any intentionally disconnected floor in vaults is no_rtele_into) 11:34:49 <|amethyst> Zaba: can_overwrite -> place_in_vaults 11:34:54 <|amethyst> or something 11:35:09 |amethyst, but we don't need the can_overwrite that can place on non-floor 11:35:51 <|amethyst> that's why I think renaming would be justified 11:35:58 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:02 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:36:34 <|amethyst> anyway, I think restricting it to floor only is less special-case than restricting it to 1x1 vaults 11:36:42 well.. :P 11:38:13 <|amethyst> also, the can_overwrite vaults are all passable, and I can't imagine a situation where you'd want to use an impassable one 11:38:26 yes 11:38:47 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 11:38:58 <|amethyst> so I don't think there's an intellectual problem with saying they can only place on passable squares 11:39:58 well, I'd say only floor, because overwriting other passable squares might disrupt the vault layout 11:40:06 <|amethyst> yeah 11:40:10 Lasty1: Lasty2: I have a version of Iashol with rewritten history which looks ready to be pushed, it turns a weird use of master commits into a merge and ommits the Ru rename (which has a couple problems) but otherwise has everything in the branch 11:40:11 <|amethyst> I've seen that before actually 11:40:26 <|amethyst> a unique vault opened up a ring of water 11:40:30 <|amethyst> I think it was even deep water 11:40:51 Lasty1: Lasty2: The master commits thing means history bascially has to be rewritten. 11:41:01 <|amethyst> and the unique vaults all have floor (maybe a passable feature on top of floor, but none of the current ones have water or anything) 11:41:01 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:15 <|amethyst> s/unique/can_overwrite/ 11:41:31 * reaverb doesn't know whether it would be fine to push with talking to Lasty. 11:41:33 should probably force can_overwrite vaults to be transparent.. 11:42:00 <|amethyst> Zaba: no, that causes problems 11:42:06 <|amethyst> Zaba: I mentioned in my bug report 11:42:15 no, I mean be tagged transparent 11:42:22 <|amethyst> Zaba: yeah, that's what I mean 11:42:28 <|amethyst> oh 11:42:37 they all already are I think 11:42:40 <|amethyst> tagged transparent but not necessarily force the cell to transparent 11:42:46 yeah 11:43:17 <|amethyst> Could just make the tag imply transparent 11:43:18 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43:23 <|amethyst> again, with a rename of some kind 11:43:31 well, that would be less obvious to vault designers 11:43:35 <|amethyst> can_overwrite sounds like a fairly generic thing, and this is not 11:43:45 <|amethyst> nor should it be, as we have seen :) 11:43:49 indeed 11:45:00 <|amethyst> reaverb suggested important_tile (I'd use "cell" or "square" instead) 11:46:23 hmm 11:46:29 I'm not good with names 11:46:51 <|amethyst> let's see, what all does it do now: 11:47:17 03zaba02 07* 0.15-a0-1774-gba5879c: Only let can_overwrite vaults overwrite floor. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba5879c98742 11:47:46 <|amethyst> 1. can place on top of vaults 2. must be 1x1 3. is transparent (if it places on an already-transparent spot) 4. it can only place on floor 11:48:18 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:23 <|amethyst> how about replace_any_floor ? 11:48:32 maybe special_cell 11:48:43 but probably too generic 11:48:52 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:49:13 <|amethyst> maybe Grunt has a suggestion 11:49:15 Could describe it's uses rather than what it does. "unique_or_branch_entry" 11:49:23 s/it's/its/ 11:49:48 <|amethyst> It's only a few branch entries though 11:49:50 or maybe just can_overwrite_floor 11:50:12 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:34 calling it _cell communicates that it has to be 1x1 though 11:50:37 -!- jaumoose has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:46 <|amethyst> cell_overwrites_floor 11:51:36 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:51:58 -!- ccasin_ is now known as ccasin 11:52:37 <|amethyst> btw, if you rename it, remember to hit dat/vim/syntax/levdes.vim 11:53:08 <|amethyst> does nobody use emacs these days, btw? 11:53:16 good question 11:53:32 <|amethyst> I mean, I know people do, but no one has written an emacs mode for .des files that I know of 11:53:50 I use emacs 11:54:33 <|amethyst> the zig portal, btw, doesn't have transparent 11:54:38 <|amethyst> though it could 11:54:53 <|amethyst> ziggurat_fallback I mean 11:55:28 but, uh, I tend to get distracted by the fact that it embeds lua, and the fact that nobody has found a very satisfactory approach to dealing with multi-language stuff in Emacs 11:56:49 hence, I haven't gotten too far with a mode 11:57:27 it doesn't help that I'm not exactly an elisp expert 11:59:43 <|amethyst> vim has nested syntax but it doesn't always work the greatest 12:00:15 I was wondering about that 12:00:21 <|amethyst> I know I've encountered strangeness with vim thinking embedded lua ended early 12:00:32 yeah, I'm not too surprised 12:01:02 I mean it was obvious it must include "support" for such a thing, but it looked like it was using regexes and that didn't seem likely to work too good 12:01:49 <|amethyst> it's more complicated than just regexes because you can specify how things should nest 12:01:57 <|amethyst> it's kind of a mess 12:01:59 -!- Phalm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:02:05 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:09 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better 12:02:42 oh, and the other reason I got distracted is I couldn't see how to handle multi-line constructs when I last looked at it 12:02:59 the idea being I could just highlight lua blocks in one solid color, or maybe one for the delimiters and one for the content 12:03:38 I mean comments are handled using special, not-terribly-customizable rules 12:03:48 <|amethyst> hm... I've written emacs modes, but never with highlighting, so I've never really looked into how that works 12:03:59 |amethyst, on the second thought, it seems to me that transparency and can_overwriteness are really orthogonal, and it just happens that they are used together in all our current cases (with the zig omission looking unintentional) 12:04:13 |amethyst: well, the usual way of doing things is about as terrible as anywhere else 12:04:19 <|amethyst> couldn't you handle it the same way, say, sh-mode handles heredocs 12:04:28 hmm, maybe 12:04:28 <|amethyst> Zaba: yeah 12:04:43 but forcing/implying one with another has little logic behind it 12:04:45 <|amethyst> Zaba: I guess I could imagine a really nasty immobile unique 12:04:57 <|amethyst> where you'd want it never to cut the level in half 12:05:09 well yes 12:05:31 Two piles of human chunks with wands of disintegration with exactly 0 charges can't be realistically explained as a "duel", either. It's too silly a gimmick -- silliness should at least have some reason. 12:05:31 Oh, wait, Roxanne has a vault which isn't 1x1 12:05:33 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:05:35 this is the worst commit reason ever 12:05:36 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:50 reaverb, yeah, those vaults aren't can_overwrite 12:05:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I would not be opposed to reverting that entire commit :) 12:05:57 Unique vaults aren't? 12:06:05 This vault is in unique.des 12:06:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: IIRC kilobyte committed it without much discussion 12:06:16 |amethyst: same 12:06:24 reaverb, only vaults that fill in for monster generation are can_overwrite 12:06:27 <|amethyst> and once it was a fait accompli, no one felt like pushing the matter 12:06:28 except maybe the snail vault 12:06:31 reaverb, the more elaborate ones are, well, just vaults 12:06:39 I think I'm okay without the snail vault 12:06:42 Zaba: Yes, this 3x3 vault fills in for monster generation. 12:06:42 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: maybe talk with Grunt 12:06:55 reaverb, it's actually never been tagged can_overwrite, as you can see 12:06:59 !tell grunt Want to revert all but the snail statue part of 284e1e693cda? 12:06:59 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 12:07:09 Zaba: Hmm, I'll go look at it,. 12:07:14 just like crazy yiuf's cottage 12:07:23 |amethyst: I believe ntcmd-mode works around some problems by replacing certain constructs with other text for font-locking purposes, and then putting the real text back after fontification 12:07:34 <|amethyst> SamB: that's... 12:07:39 yeah 12:07:45 PleasingFungus: I support the wizard duel vault coming back, maybe at a lower weight, but I'm not sure about the first vaults. 12:07:52 <|amethyst> SamB: I take back what I meant to imply by citing "worse is better" 12:08:04 flaming sacrifices seem cool, and thematic 12:08:05 Zaba: Sorry, I assumed all vaults in unique.des were marked can_overwrite 12:08:10 I'm pretty sure "worse is better" is supposed to apply to things that are too *simple* 12:08:13 as long as thye're not flaming players, I guess 12:08:22 reaverb, I would've noticed that :P 12:08:22 PleasingFungus: Yes, might be good to surround them with glass. 12:08:31 since des complation now fails for non-1x1 can_overwrite vaults 12:08:35 maybe! 12:08:40 compilation* 12:08:55 |amethyst: I've not heard of any other mode that does such a thing, thankfully; I think command.com/cmd.exe may just have really warty syntax ... 12:09:11 <|amethyst> SamB: I was thinking that emacs devs, being Lisp people, might be refusing to do nested syntax until it can be done right 12:09:21 <|amethyst> SamB: but it sounds like "done right" isn't a huge concern :) 12:09:34 well, I think ntcmd's author couldn't figure out how to do it right 12:10:00 and got frustrated and just wanted to see if they could manage to handle that construct at ALL 12:10:19 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:37 anyway, yes, I'm pretty sure that wanting to do it right is why there isn't (as far as I know) anything bundled with Emacs for multiple-major-modes 12:10:38 <|amethyst> Zaba: assuming you removed saves/des 12:10:55 |amethyst, of course 12:11:03 <|amethyst> Zaba: we've had several things that break map compilation go unnoticed because of that 12:11:07 |amethyst: there are, however, a number of attempts to somehow support multiple major modes for one file 12:11:45 <|amethyst> I'd be half inclined to store the game version, not just the tag version, in the des cache 12:11:52 org-mode has this thing where you can have code blocks, but they aren't actually syntax-highlighted in place or anything 12:11:52 <|amethyst> and to reject anything that comes from another version 12:12:24 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:12:44 <|amethyst> SamB: hm 12:12:49 but if you want to use the real major-mode, org has a command to open the code block in another buffer 12:12:54 I was thinking of doing something like that 12:12:55 <|amethyst> SamB: yeah, Bram has no such qualms :) 12:13:29 anyway, as far as I know, all attempts at multiple-major-mode support are out-of-tree 12:13:38 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:14:01 aside from the org thing I mentioned, which makes no attempt to apply them in one window or buffer 12:14:25 |amethyst, but I guess #7234 is fixed now.. 12:14:41 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1774-gba5879c (34) 12:15:07 <|amethyst> Zaba: As the submitter, I give you permission to close and not just resolve it :) 12:15:32 <|amethyst> Zaba: seems silly to have both of us check off on it 12:15:56 okay 12:16:01 (I still remember how to use mantis!) 12:16:09 though gnus can *render* "Content-Disposition: inline" (that is a header right?) stuff inline with syntax highlighting, if it knows the appropriate MIME type 12:16:27 dunno how general that is; it's mostly used for diffs I think 12:16:37 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:39 <|amethyst> SamB: hm? what do you mean by emphasising "render"? 12:17:00 <|amethyst> SamB: what makes that not applicable to other things? 12:17:08 |amethyst: well, article-mode is read-only 12:17:15 <|amethyst> ah 12:17:44 <|amethyst> I should have figured that, I still use vm for my email 12:18:03 <|amethyst> and it does the same thing with rendering things into read-only buffers 12:18:13 <|amethyst> I should really switch to mutt :/ 12:18:52 <|amethyst> seems kind of silly to use a different editor for email from everything else 12:18:55 anyway, off the top of my head, I think I've heard of mmm, mumamo, web-mode, cweb-mode, and possibly another web-mode that's for www rather than literate programming 12:19:00 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:19:03 oh, and I guess probably noweb-mode 12:20:35 <|amethyst> but, yeah, I do think it would be acceptible to just highlight the whole lua block in one colour 12:20:44 I keep dreaming that someone will one day come up with a framework for modes that are based on parsing, though I guess preferably not with such a picky grammar as a compiler would use 12:20:50 <|amethyst> better than not highlighting anything 12:20:55 |amethyst: yeah 12:20:56 <|amethyst> I am a "worse is better" person :) 12:21:32 I was gonna try that but then, like I said, I couldn't understand how I was supposed to do that for multi-line constructs that weren't strings 12:21:34 or comments 12:22:09 |amethyst: Do you know about syntax tables? They let you cheat on typical string and comment constructs ... 12:22:37 <|amethyst> SamB: like states in flex? 12:22:39 <|amethyst> s/flex/lex/ 12:22:56 I don't really remember the difference between flex and lex anyway 12:23:00 <|amethyst> flex is the GNU version 12:23:14 <|amethyst> i.e. switch to a different scanner when you see certain tokens? 12:23:32 no, Emacs' syntax tables are much less flexible than you're thinking 12:23:37 reaverb: I'm here and reading through the backlong of comments now 12:23:58 -!- Lasty1 is now known as Lasty_ 12:24:07 see (info "(elisp) Syntax Tables") 12:24:30 reaverb: what's wrong with the history? 12:24:37 <|amethyst> SamB: ah 12:24:42 of course, that won't be a button unless you're using ERC (I'm not), but you could paste it into M-: or something ;-) 12:25:44 <|amethyst> SamB: I transformed that into info elisp "syntax tables" and did it from the shell 12:26:01 I think you can also just copy whats in the parens 12:26:06 and paste it in shell 12:26:27 <|amethyst> ah, so you can 12:26:29 <|amethyst> that's strange 12:26:42 <|amethyst> I tried info "(elisp) syntax tables" but it didn't work 12:26:43 that's the usual Info reference syntax 12:26:56 <|amethyst> but info elisp "syntax tables" did 12:27:03 <|amethyst> I wonder why one but not the other is case-sensitive 12:27:03 oh, hmm, 12:27:15 dunno 12:27:25 I just know the one I pasted uses the standard Info reference syntax 12:27:36 <|amethyst> I guess it's "reference" versus "search" 12:27:38 it's like the Info equivlanet of a URL 12:27:52 <|amethyst> search for a menu item I mean 12:28:00 yeah, the two-arg invocation does seem DWIMy 12:28:16 keeping that vault commit reverted seems good to me, "some human dies in some way in front of an altar" is pretty overused at this point 12:28:46 polymorph the player into a human and kill THEM in front of the altar 12:29:21 |amethyst: anyway, the really cheaty stuff is in node "Syntax Flags" 12:29:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1775-g65436de: Don't crash when vampires hit 'q' after bottling one corpse 10(34 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65436deff75c 12:29:54 idk, I liked the geh vault 12:29:54 and "some human randomly explodes into flames in D" with no altar seems like not a good vault 12:29:58 and the wizard vault 12:30:04 |amethyst: also, if you have multiple Emacsen installed, it probably works best to view emacs-related info files in the Emacs whose version you'd like to see 12:30:07 *wizard duel vault 12:30:12 I guess I should be more precise about which vaults I liked 12:30:34 MarvinPA: yeah 12:30:43 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:57 huh, flaming corpse 12:30:58 retro 12:30:58 MarvinPA: IMO it would amuse Xom, but not really anyone else 12:31:18 dang, d:19-26 12:31:20 retro 12:32:03 yeah I guess I like these vaults for geh, since flaming victims in geh are funny. they don't need to be in d, though, and it'd take some work to figure out what to do with them now that flaming corpses are tragically no more 12:32:30 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:40 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:32:54 what were flaming corpses exactly? 12:33:01 unknown monster: "flaming corpse" 12:33:01 %??flaming corpse 12:33:09 ??flaming corpse 12:33:09