00:01:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1677-g16dc7de (34) 00:05:21 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:32 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:03 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:55 -!- Quashie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:37 -!- jaumoose has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12:27 hm 00:12:45 !tell |amethyst Any idea if MSLOT_ALT_MISSILE is actually used for anything? 00:12:45 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 00:13:35 dang...so much for 0.15 being easier 00:13:43 ? 00:14:25 taking away a bunch of damage and AC is making the game quite a bit harder I think! 00:14:40 huh 00:14:43 did you routinely do that 00:14:49 of course I did... 00:14:54 of course you did 00:14:57 I'd be surprised if anyone didn't 00:15:07 and of course you would be 00:15:45 did you really ignore chain mail when you had +0 plate? 00:16:07 (and other plate for that matter) 00:16:23 non-glowing/runed/w/e armour? most of the time, yes 00:16:31 I'd only really do this with boots/gloves/hats 00:16:34 since they were rare enough 00:16:57 yeah that makes the game quite a lot harder 00:17:48 if it's *really* a problem, we can improve early-game item gen, or increase the odds of borderline items being marked "interesting" (and thus not getting squashed) 00:17:56 but I'm skeptical 00:18:01 I never said I was against the change, I'm in support of it 00:18:08 I'm just surprised it happened due to the difficulty increase 00:18:11 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:12 ha! 00:18:33 please, minmay. are you saying that you think the devs are good enough at this game to actually understand the implications of their changes? 00:18:35 (I thanked the tavern post after all!!!!!) 00:18:36 *I'm* sure not 00:22:03 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:20 I suspect the number of people who actually do/did that is overestimated by the people who do it because they know the benefits 00:22:54 It was definitely obnoxious, though 00:26:23 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-1678-g3322858: Makh invo icons 10(27 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3322858e09c8 00:26:23 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-1679-g493e150: Kiku invo icons 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=493e1506100c 00:27:02 hm 00:27:06 the fiery spider of makhleb 00:27:34 yes 00:27:45 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:46 the top one looks more like a scorpion to me 00:27:56 i was going for demon horns but whatever 00:28:02 yeah I figured 00:28:12 I would say the other one looks like.... a silverfish? I'm not sure I am thinking of the right incest 00:28:14 .... 00:28:16 good typo 00:28:19 PleasingFungus: I guess +12 club is gone forever too 00:28:22 mm 00:28:26 let me check 00:28:33 oh you mean because of slaychanges? 00:29:19 PleasingFungus: no I was thinking because of squashing pluses on boring items 00:29:23 clubs don't ever glow 00:29:29 as far as I remember 00:29:32 right 00:29:42 hm 00:29:42 And since that is the mechanism by which the squishing seems to happen... 00:29:54 it would be funny if trog only gifts +0 giant clubs now, too 00:30:20 trog goes through a different route 00:30:21 Well he makes those glow by branding them, right 00:30:22 probably 00:30:27 Still worth testing 00:30:34 yes 00:30:45 he makes those glow by branding them 00:30:49 and then they get unglowed because they are clubs 00:30:56 yeah, hm 00:31:19 simplest solution is to just let clubs glow 00:31:24 I definitely saw glowy giant clubs in an ice cave before but maybe they weren't actually glowy and instead were pre-ided as freezing 00:31:29 possibly 00:31:36 that seems ideal yes 00:31:39 I mean, we could just accept the loss of 12clubs, but 00:31:41 that's terrible 00:32:10 well it's a noticeable nerf to every ogre in the game 00:32:13 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:32:44 including Erolcha :( 00:32:53 hm 00:33:02 I'm not really sure how 12clubs were ever generated in the first place 00:33:07 just in terms of plusses 00:33:10 the same way a 12 anything else generates... 00:33:12 well 00:33:24 the code that adds plusses to non-artefacts 00:33:31 is behind a !item.is_mundane() || force_good 00:33:49 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:33:55 force_good being... a vault |, I think? 00:34:03 uniques 00:34:12 oh 00:34:13 (maybe) 00:34:14 checking mon-gear 00:34:45 it... looks like nothing special goes on there 00:34:46 but not sure 00:34:52 anyway, gonna just go ahead and let clubs glow 00:38:11 hm 00:38:13 ??12club 00:38:13 12club ~ 12 club ~ +12 club[1/4]: redrum the Skirmisher (L3 DrCK), worshipper of Makhleb, slain by Ijyb (a +6,+12 club) on D:2 on 2010-08-19, with 120 points after 1033 turns and 0:04:06. 00:38:19 ??12club[2 00:38:19 12club ~ 12 club ~ +12 club[2/4]: Jazzimus the Practitioner (L2 DrHe of Elyvilon), slain by Ijyb (a +2,+12 club) on D:2 on 2014-02-20 07:25:50, with 37 points after 1353 turns and 0:03:46. 00:38:48 hm 00:39:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1680-gec3c4bb: Adjust Beogh's Give Item ability name/description 10(40 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec3c4bb5ceb3 00:39:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1681-gaa9fd03: bless.cc refactoring 10(28 minutes ago, 1 file, 53+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa9fd03a6239 00:39:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1682-g611943f: Unsquash clubs (minmay) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=611943f005df 00:39:50 i guess that beogh thing needs a tile 00:40:08 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:12 probably 00:40:48 also all the invo tiles are now done except for nem 00:43:19 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:27 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:46:33 -!- rast- is now known as rast 00:50:52 -!- Gretell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51:27 ontoclasm: congrats! 00:52:34 nem's will be done as soon as ????? 00:53:20 minmay: looking at the code, it seems like 12clubs must have been generated with force_good on; there are several checks that they wouldn't have passed otherwise. 00:53:31 force_good is just a threshold thing 00:53:54 it can be set directly too 00:54:21 uniques are more likely to have it and it is set for some uniques specifically 00:55:57 where's the "uniques are more likely to have it" code? 00:56:12 nvm, found it 00:56:15 they just get a bonus to level 00:56:33 too 00:56:39 yes 00:57:03 looks like ijyb has about a 10% chance of having his level set to MAKE_GOOD_ITEM 00:58:08 so, about a 0.04% chance of spawning with a 12club 00:58:09 neat 01:00:05 !lm * noun=ijyb 01:00:06 360475. [2014-06-24 05:54:58] johlstei the Twirler (L5 MiWn) killed Ijyb on turn 3967. (D:4) 01:00:20 there have been about 150 online 12clubs 01:00:37 -!- DayBay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:00:39 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:00:50 (on ijyb, specifically) 01:01:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:01:27 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:02 I got ijyb with decent armour and a vampiric weapon on red sonja once 01:02:18 is one of the unrands a club? 01:02:29 I don't think so :( 01:02:40 ah, devastator 01:02:47 no it's a 01:02:49 silleagh 01:02:54 obv 01:02:56 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 01:03:01 OBJ_WEAPONS/WPN_CLUB 01:03:07 ??shilleagh 01:03:07 shilleagh ~ shillelagh ~ devastator[1/4]: The shillelagh "Devastator". It's a +4, +8 shillelagh that casts radius 1 shatter when you hit something with it, centered on the thing you hit. No, it won't hit you. Nor will it break walls. Spellpower scales with melee damage dealt. +6 in 0.15. 01:03:09 for purposes of item trackign at least 01:03:12 well 01:03:14 yes 01:03:20 I wonder if ijyb can spawn with it 01:03:30 which explains the randart club I saw in the item stat tables 01:05:20 I think it might alternately be jessica 01:05:30 -!- buki has quit [Quit: reboot] 01:05:34 yes 01:06:28 !lg * ikiller=~jessica s=kaux 01:06:29 16382 games for * (ikiller=~jessica): 3790x by nerve-wracking pain, 3193x magic dart, 1742x, 955x wand of flame, 903x wand of frost, 830x a +0,+0 club, 768x wand of magic darts, 496x a +0,+0 dagger, 253x wand of disintegration, 91x wand of frost {zapped: 1}, 89x wand of flame {zapped: 1}, 89x wand of flame {zapped: 2}, 83x wand of frost {zapped: 2}, 81x wand of disintegration {zapped: 1}, 71x wand... 01:07:03 !lg * ikiller=~jessica kaux!~wand s=kaux 01:07:04 12068 games for * (ikiller=~jessica kaux!~wand): 3790x by nerve-wracking pain, 3193x magic dart, 1742x, 830x a +0,+0 club, 496x a +0,+0 dagger, 70x a +0,+1 orcish club, 61x a -1,+1 orcish club, 61x a -1,+0 orcish club, 50x a +0,+0 orcish club, 38x a club, 28x a +2,+2 dagger, 27x a +1,+0 elven dagger, 24x a +2,+0 elven dagger, 21x a +0,+0 elven dagger, 21x a +0,+1 orcish dagger, 21x a +0,+0 orcish ... 01:07:14 what's the "reverse sort" option? 01:07:27 o=-thing 01:07:50 !lg * ikiller=~jessica kaux!~wand s=kaux o=-kaux 01:07:51 12068 games for * (ikiller=~jessica kaux!~wand): 1742x, 3x a +0 club, a +0 dagger of flaming, a +0 dagger of speed, 830x a +0,+0 club, 496x a +0,+0 dagger, a +0,+0 dagger of distortion, 3x a +0,+0 dagger of draining, 6x a +0,+0 dagger of electrocution, a +0,+0 dagger of returning, 2x a +0,+0 dagger of venom, 14x a +0,+0 dwarven dagger, a +0,+0 dwarven sabre, 21x a +0,+0 elven dagger, a +0,+0 elven... 01:07:57 hm 01:08:08 you're looking ofr number, yeah 01:08:11 CDO has a mirrored disk broken. I shut down Apache until it's fixed. 01:09:02 ??is_cdo_down 01:09:02 I don't have a page labeled is_cdo_down in my learndb. 01:09:12 hm. no 12clubs 01:09:26 !lg * kaux=~devast 01:09:27 No games for * (kaux=~devast). 01:09:31 -!- zercules has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:09:31 !lg * kaux=~shil 01:09:32 No games for * (kaux=~shil). 01:10:28 !lg * kaux=~wyrm 01:10:29 1. Ponderous the Martial Artist (L9 MfTm of Cheibriados), slain by a kobold (the +9,+6 lance "Wyrmbane" {slay drac, +Rage rPois rF+ AC+5}) in Bailey (bailey_axe_3) on 2014-04-11 21:45:04, with 2557 points after 8392 turns and 0:23:30. 01:10:36 good 01:10:37 heh 01:10:57 !lg * kaux=~pluto 01:10:58 4. flinch the Ruinous (L6 TeFE), demolished by an orc (the +12,+16 plutonium sword {Contam Stlth-}) on D:4 on 2014-04-11 17:27:40, with 440 points after 3684 turns and 0:12:57. 01:11:21 !lg * kaux=~pluto s=ikiller,xl 01:11:21 4 games for * (kaux=~pluto): 2x an orc (7, 6), an orc knight (10), an imp (8) 01:11:29 hm. lg finds only three ijyb 12clubs 01:11:42 the ones in learndb, presumably 01:11:51 sad 01:11:52 imp that found a plut sword 01:12:05 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/gods.png 01:12:15 probably no lg key for unrands 01:12:17 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:12:34 ontoclasm: what's the gong? 01:12:59 ontoclasm: they look nice, but what do they represent exactly? 01:13:04 I love the musical jelly 01:13:11 best icon in the game imo 01:13:16 just a tile for each god? 01:13:47 I love the one that looks kind of like a tmons 01:13:57 at least one of those is a spell icon 01:14:04 hmm 01:14:06 or maybe not 01:14:11 the fourth from the right 01:17:25 they're quite nice, whatever they represent 01:17:25 they're all invo icons 01:17:25 one from each god 01:17:25 the gong is gozag's shop calling thing 01:17:25 ah 01:17:25 and the blink icon? it's next to what looks like lucy's corrupt, so it can't be one of his... 01:17:25 dith shadow step 01:17:25 ahhhh 01:18:09 %git f79658290c 01:18:09 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-823-gf796582: Melt away lava orcs. 10(6 weeks ago, 45 files, 297+ 46-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f79658290cfb 01:20:02 r i p 01:20:27 was looking at ??27 01:20:41 we're ruining this game! 01:20:53 ??27 01:20:53 27[1/24]: Levels in each Ziggurat. 01:21:08 pleasingfungus: remove 4 instances of 27 for each one you add 01:21:10 thth 01:21:14 hm 01:21:22 well, so far I'm on-track 01:21:30 can only think of one 27 I've added 01:21:34 and it's hilariously hidden 01:21:43 has anyone ever made 01:21:44 a vault 01:21:46 that literally spells 27 01:22:02 it would probably have been removed with all the other vaults that spell things 01:22:04 years ago 01:22:16 oh, figures that there'd be a bunch in the past 01:25:27 idk how to search for them but there were a TON of "optional", disabled-by-default entry vaults 01:25:27 i added a 27!!! 01:25:27 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:25:27 like "tricky" ones that spawned you in a sealed room with some down-stairs 01:25:27 ontoclasm: ? 01:25:27 it's the number of screenshots on the screenshots page >.> 01:25:27 haha 01:25:27 good 01:25:28 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:28 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:25:28 fr an unrand +27 club 01:25:28 no properties, that's it 01:25:28 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:26:42 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:42 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 01:26:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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a runed giant spiked club d - a +10 giant spiked club 09:52:20 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 09:56:14 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:58:16 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:00:04 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:00:17 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:45 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:03:52 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:04:03 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 10:05:25 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:22 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:19 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1684-gc6cfd97: Ditch an old use of plus2. 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6cfd978cd5b 10:16:19 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1685-g10a5ae4: Mark +2 aux armour as glowing/runed instead of squashing it. 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=10a5ae45a019 10:16:20 -!- Makrond has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:20 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:20 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:17:39 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:39 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 10:17:41 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 10:19:01 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:25:42 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:23 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:27:49 Is mantis inaccessible as long as CDO is down? 10:28:05 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:33 -!- medicplz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:31:20 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:32 archaeo: Correct. 10:31:42 CDO will in inaccessible. 10:32:12 While that's bad, it does cut down on my to-do list because quite a bit of it was "Look at Foo manits issue" <_< >_> 10:32:16 hm. I wanted to follow up and see if SchwaWarrior submitted a bug he saw earlier today 10:32:32 Feel free the describe the bug here. 10:32:45 !lg SchwaWarrior -log 10:32:47 1096. SchwaWarrior, XL27 HEAE, T:167022: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/SchwaWarrior/morgue-SchwaWarrior-20140624-105210.txt 10:33:06 They found several artefacts with Ash that were shown as having +0 enchantments 10:33:17 when properly identified, the actual enchantment was displayed 10:33:38 archaeo: Hmm, that's an interesting bug. 10:33:46 such as a +0 storm bow 10:35:12 that seems especially weird because unrandarts like that come pre-identified 10:35:43 My guess it to blame the item.plus change. 10:36:26 Bloax: I'm guessing that Ashenzari was too busy being all tied up to notice it had changed 10:37:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:37:10 I doubt worshiping Ash has anything to do with the bug, I should probably check though. 10:37:10 ??is cdo down 10:37:11 is cdo down[1/1]: CDO has a mirrored disk failure; The webserver is shut down until it's fixed. 10:37:14 rip cdo 10:37:27 ??mantis 10:37:28 mantis[1/1]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 10:37:59 !learn add mantis[1] Mantis is currently down, feel free to add bug reports to {mantis_is_down_bugs} 10:37:59 mantis[1/2]: Mantis is currently down, feel free to add bug reports to {mantis_is_down_bugs} 10:38:48 !learn add mantis_is_down_bugs Unrandarts appear to have +0 enchantment until formerly identified. 10:38:48 mantis is down bugs[1/1]: Unrandarts appear to have +0 enchantment until formerly identified. 10:39:32 s/formerly/formally/ ? 10:39:33 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:48 geekosaur: Yes. 10:40:14 A mirrored disk failure on both disks? That's impressive. 10:40:28 !learn e mantis_is_down_bugs s/formerly/formally/ 10:40:29 mantis is down bugs[1/1]: Unrandarts appear to have +0 enchantment until formally identified. 10:42:18 neat 10:42:18 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:42:18 Ha, multisprint has fallen off the |amethyst source code browser again... 10:45:58 hm. could swear that I tested randarts 10:47:12 unrandarts. 10:47:25 well 10:47:30 randarts seem to be getting squished too 10:47:31 so 10:47:43 PleasingFungus: Oh, hmm. 10:48:03 archaeo: How did the unrandarts get "formally" identified? 10:48:11 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1686-gc8f47fa: Unsquash artefacts (reaverb) 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8f47fad4559 10:48:19 oh, credited the wrong person 10:48:19 presumably wear/wield ID 10:48:31 Yes. 10:48:36 Oh well. 10:48:38 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:48:49 sorry arch! 10:49:02 That wasn't even arch's bug originally :D 10:49:13 It was SchwaWarrior's 10:49:18 it's totally possible SchwaWarrior reported it via mantis 10:49:32 I don't think so though. 10:49:47 Because I always read the ##crawl-dev and there wasn't a mantis announcement of it. 10:49:55 the ##crawl-dev log 10:50:00 welp in that case I feel robbed of my credit once again 10:50:05 thanks a bunch pleasingfungus 10:50:19 rip.......... 10:50:19 rip 10:50:25 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 10:50:26 <3 10:50:53 The really weird thing is that this seems to have fixed this retroac- Actually it's probably just fixed by reloading. 10:51:01 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:51:06 Ha, yeah, I actually forgot to compile. 10:53:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03:08 -!- CKyle__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:06:59 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 11:09:04 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:10:45 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140620030201]] 11:16:41 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I guess you could set no_pool_fixup on the vault, maybe? I'd have to find it 14:19:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:58 mm. toss up a ticket & I'll have a look later 14:20:27 righto 14:21:14 eeeexcept CDO's down 14:21:18 I'll do it later I guess 14:21:56 hm 14:22:03 ??mantis_is_down_bugs 14:22:03 mantis is down bugs[1/1]: Unrandarts appear to have +0 enchantment until formally identified. 14:22:20 !learn s mantis_is_down_bugs[2 http://i.imgur.com/tEvKnCO.png 14:22:20 mantis is down bugs[2/2]: http://i.imgur.com/tEvKnCO.png 14:22:28 !learn del mantis_is_down_bugs[1 14:22:29 Deleted mantis is down bugs[1/2]: Unrandarts appear to have +0 enchantment until formally identified. 14:22:32 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:38 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 14:26:12 -!- brainwrinkle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:26:42 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1686-gc8f47fa (34) 14:26:49 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:28:49 -!- drachereborn has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:45 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:35 drachereborn: Hi! 14:43:57 hi dpeg! 14:46:14 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:36 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:36 -!- johnstein has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 14:49:08 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:50:41 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:52 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:09 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:13 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 14:56:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:31 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:03 drachereborn: Sorry I can't really access your patches... mantis is down. 15:01:22 reaverb: no problem! 15:01:40 CDO will switch disks tonight. 15:01:42 I can upload them somewhere if you want, but there's probably no rush 15:02:43 Would it be a good idea if the singing sword sings a song of slaying? Seems like it would fit 15:03:15 drachereborn: I think that would be a differant randart. 15:03:42 the singing sword works well now, I don't think it should be removed, no comment on hthe song of slaying idea. 15:04:17 ah, too bad 15:04:34 <|amethyst> hm 15:04:35 |amethyst: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:04:43 there just seems to be natural synergy 15:04:43 Singing Staff, obviously!~ 15:05:23 singing shield 15:05:27 so you can use both 15:05:34 they sing a duet 15:05:37 <|amethyst> !tell Lasty not sure about this week; I'm kind of busy with non-Crawl stuff so maybe see if someone else can 15:05:37 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:06:08 <|amethyst> dpeg: do you happen to know, when Nap said "back to february", does that mean everything since then is lost? 15:06:46 |amethyst: he wrote to me that he is saving right now as much as possibl. I understood that this is why the disk swap will happen later, not now. 15:06:54 <|amethyst> dpeg: aha 15:08:05 <|amethyst> I, and greensnark as well, have local copies of the log and milestone files 15:08:18 Oh, ouch, I would hate to lose the recent Tavern posts... 15:08:23 <|amethyst> greensnark might have some of the ttyrecs; not sure about morgues 15:10:01 <|amethyst> Napkin: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring-data/ if you lost any of the logfiles or milestones 15:10:18 <|amethyst> oh, I guess I should add that to robots.txt 15:10:28 :) 15:10:40 disk failure sucks 15:10:50 well it's just one disk of a mirror that's toast, right? I guess if the drives were bought at the same time from the same place the other one will probably die soon as well though... 15:10:59 <|amethyst> johnny0: it was both 15:10:59 no, but i lost mysql's ibdata1... 15:11:12 oh yikes 15:11:20 :( 15:11:38 imagine my enjoyment, when rebuilding the mirror failed because of read errors... 15:13:09 <|amethyst> and I guessing the log is nowhere near large enough to be able to recover that stuff 15:13:15 <|amethyst> the innodb log I mean 15:13:24 ibdata1 supposedly contains permanent database data 15:13:36 those are 5mb each 15:13:43 ibdata1 was 258mb 15:13:48 <|amethyst> yeah, figured :/ 15:13:50 Napkin: did you rebuild from the "good" disk back to the failed disk? or to a new drive? 15:14:16 on the bright side, i rebooted the server (and shutdown mysql properly) before i let them exchange the first broken disk 15:14:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:58 <|amethyst> how bad did the first disk fail? I wonder how small is the intersection of bad-on-disk-1 and bad-on-disk-2 ? 15:15:03 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:15:04 <|amethyst> s/bad/badly/ 15:15:36 interesting yes, but that first broken is gone already.. i called and asked 15:17:21 anyways, apart from ibdata1 and one table of a gallery, everything survived from mysql. let's see how much permanent data ibdata1 still contained. 15:18:15 got rid of the ttyrecs though.. old server didn't have space enough for that 240gb 15:18:54 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:18:55 <|amethyst> Napkin: if you can still get to ttyrecs on the bad disk, greensnark can probably host them 15:19:19 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:36 <|amethyst> Napkin: we just migrated maybe 100 gigs of ttyrecs from cszo to shalott 15:20:00 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:20:07 <|amethyst> Napkin: hm, wonder how many of the databases were innodb vs myisam 15:20:45 -!- oberstein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:07 <|amethyst> since myisam is faster, lots of things default to that (but then you do lose some features, so other things default to innodb) 15:23:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:39 <|amethyst> (ibdata1 is innodb only, but that file has *all* the innodb tables across all the databases) 15:30:03 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30:10 -!- Psiweapon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:57 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:59 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:31 Does this mean that large portions of Tavern posts will be deleted? 15:33:41 how will we go on 15:33:54 <|amethyst> honestly I'm more concerned about mantis 15:33:55 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:34:03 yes, that's a good point 15:34:10 but hey, it's one way to clear up that bug backlog 15:34:38 <|amethyst> but we've had net positive bug closing for a few months! 15:34:52 It's just that my thanks / post ratio > 1 on Tavern 15:35:21 hrm, I wonder how much of a dent that made, the bug closures 15:35:32 not even sure how many open ones we had, was it like 2000? 15:35:57 I know our bug numbers were in the 8000s, so probably much higher 15:36:30 <|amethyst> I want to say closer to 1000, but something around there, yes 15:36:33 !tell johnstein any idea where rotatell is? 15:36:38 wheals: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 15:36:52 -!- stinkfoot has quit [Client Quit] 15:37:21 <|amethyst> I was looking at those stats a week or two ago, but didn't write anything down 15:37:27 open bugs has been ~1000 for a while, not including old frs/implementables etc 15:37:41 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:59 yeah... that's like most of 0.14 development history toast outside of commit messages / ##crawl-dev logs 15:38:03 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:28 so total open issues is probably ~1500 or something, not sure how many frs and stuff there are 15:38:49 er... 0.15... i guess 0.14 was in the tail end by that time 15:39:02 unknown monster: "0.13.0" 15:39:02 <|amethyst> %??0.13.0 15:39:06 <|amethyst> %git 0.13.0 15:39:06 07kilobyte02 * 0.13.0: Remove a bunch of not-0.13 items from the changelog. 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=429a20e13a36 15:39:11 <|amethyst> %git 0.14.0 15:39:11 07Grunt02 * 0.14.0: Touch changelog with release date. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=319925deedf8 15:39:52 <|amethyst> %git 0.14-b1 15:39:52 07Grunt02 * 0.14-b1: A changelog touch-up to kick off the 0.14 branch. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90d5cc33569b 15:40:09 <|amethyst> yeah, only a month or so of 0.14 15:40:18 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:26 i'm imagining lots of captain hindsight style posts incoming 15:41:35 -!- ckyle_ has quit [Quit: ckyle_] 15:43:23 thinking about other things that might need backups. 15:43:29 but at least the commit messages in crawl's git repo are generally pretty informative -- ones which reference recent mantis ids are not too helpful though :( 15:43:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:43 thanks to the wonders of distributed source control, the actual source is relatively well backed up. sort of. 15:43:56 I wonder what kind of shape saves are in. (on servers.) 15:44:21 <|amethyst> saves aren't something I would worry too much about backing up 15:44:30 <|amethyst> history is more important IMO 15:44:31 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 15:44:46 <|amethyst> log files and milestones are currently in at least three places 15:45:05 hm 15:45:08 -!- Lasty is now known as Lasty_ 15:45:09 <|amethyst> morgues should be backed up 15:45:13 <|amethyst> but are not AFAIK 15:45:17 so does menu_colour work on the _last_ match? 15:45:20 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:25 i did menu ^= lightgreen:.*potions+ of resistance.* 15:45:34 (where menu := menu_colour) 15:45:44 and my resist potions are still yellow 15:45:52 <|amethyst> are you testing with stacks? 15:46:05 <|amethyst> because "potions+" doesn't match "potion" 15:46:13 it does match potionsssss, though! 15:46:17 oh, regexessssss 15:46:24 what's the 0/1 one 15:46:26 <|amethyst> ? 15:46:27 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:28 potions? 15:46:34 yes 15:46:36 what is it 15:46:39 <|amethyst> haha 15:46:41 <|amethyst> who's on first? 15:46:44 and who's on first, ayway - fuck 15:46:48 god damn it 15:46:48 <|amethyst> wheals: /potions?/ 15:46:58 <|amethyst> wheals: that's the regexp :) 15:47:03 no, i figured it out :) 15:47:04 always the punsmaid, never the punner 15:47:13 though it did take me a few seconds 15:49:11 PleasingFungus: going to remember that turn of phrase 15:50:58 -!- HamsterSaurusMex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:55:44 -!- atrodo has quit [K-Lined] 15:56:39 -!- asdfe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:57:01 -!- atrodo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:42 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00:09 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:30 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1687-g62bcefd: Reduce the weights of some Lua altar vaults 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=62bcefd29fa9 16:01:30 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1688-g88037fb: Simplify a regex. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88037fbdcbcc 16:03:15 <|amethyst> http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/28zxvq/its_down/ 16:03:19 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:33 <|amethyst> I posted a comment on the situation as I understand it 16:04:14 mm 16:04:27 I guess it's just as well I never got around to doing that wordpress weekly update 16:04:29 i feel like rupert should get a better title 16:04:40 since i'm fairly sure zin doesn't consider him unclean 16:04:56 "rupert the nutty crusader" 16:05:26 alternately, make zin consider him unclean 16:05:34 bam. done 16:06:35 rupert the revolting 16:06:57 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:07:03 please don't editorialize, Cheibrodos 16:07:28 very unprofessional 16:07:33 rupert the raunchy 16:07:42 rupert the rude 16:10:47 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:49 -!- Annabella has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:53 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:13:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:14:23 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:14:23 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 16:14:27 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:33 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:50 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:19:09 rupert the pert 16:19:43 hrm, looking at the level build failure behaviour for mapgen and a normal game, I'm trying decide what to do for objgen 16:19:52 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:20:14 in a normal game a level build failure triggers the game possibly save and quit with an error, or just die with an error 16:20:19 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 16:20:24 mapgen currently just continues and records the level as failing 16:21:02 and then it stops further building of the dungeon for that iteration, it seems 16:21:23 i'm suprised you didn't reuse most of such code for objgen already 16:21:25 ug, looks like it then stops iterating 16:21:29 though i haven't looked at the branch 16:21:31 -!- rubinko has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:21:32 wheals: I did 16:21:44 that's exactly what I did, in fact 16:21:51 used it for level gen, hence the issue actually 16:22:04 since mapgen behaves in a way that's probably not quite appropriate for objgen here 16:22:12 but it looks like it's actually doing something kind of silly here 16:22:18 so its behaviour might need updating 16:22:57 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:23:38 -!- ssheafer__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:02 !function mg_do_build_level 16:24:02 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dbg-maps.cc;hb=HEAD#l64 16:24:30 ah, I see 16:24:43 weird 16:25:12 if the builder fails, mapgen continues its iterations 16:25:26 but if this _mg_is_disconnected_level test fails 16:25:31 it aborts the mapgen for some reason 16:26:21 I don't know why it does this 16:26:31 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:36 the test is dgn_count_disconnected_zones(true) 16:26:46 so abort the mapgen if there are disconnected zones 16:26:56 but the level builder didn't even fail over this 16:27:01 -!- Tenda2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27:02 so why is mapgen aborting over it? 16:27:09 !function dgn_count_disconnected_zones 16:27:10 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc;hb=HEAD#l1027 16:27:23 -!- Werehuman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:27:28 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:27:44 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, mapgen probably should treat that the same as a builder failure 16:28:20 |amethyst: am I correct in that such disconnected levels are accepted by the normal crawl game state currently? 16:28:35 I'd thought that the level veto thing would catch it 16:28:45 -!- stinkfoot has quit [Quit: stinkfoot] 16:28:46 -!- psygenic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:29:08 <|amethyst> oh hm 16:29:27 I think maybe one explanation is that the mapgen author was a bit lazy, since they wanted to get a map dump 16:29:32 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:29:38 and such dumps aren't useful if you have a fixed map dump file 16:29:55 ...so you just abort the mapgen :p 16:30:18 <|amethyst> also, the locations, order, etc of those various checks have moved quite a bit 16:31:01 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:31:07 yeah I should look at this a bit carefully maybe 16:31:17 and see just what things we should be aborting on 16:31:39 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:31:39 <|amethyst> I'd git blame both the mapgen and the ordinary builder disconnection checks 16:31:49 hrm, ok 16:31:56 <|amethyst> is this code actually triggering? 16:32:02 <|amethyst> _mg_is_disconnected_level ? 16:32:08 |amethyst: yes 16:32:16 pretty frequently if you do like 100 iterations 16:32:17 <|amethyst> hm 16:32:19 well 16:32:26 eventually it will trigger I mean 16:32:32 <|amethyst> I guess that means it's not causing a veto then 16:32:35 since it causes an abort, it's not frequently 16:32:57 -!- Guest28115 is now known as mumi 16:33:02 <|amethyst> oh 16:33:07 yeah I don't think it is, but I'm not sure if that check (the zone one in _is_disconnected_level) is viable to do 16:33:12 <|amethyst> I guess if it gets vetoed 50 times in a row 16:34:05 yeah, if that happens, then builder fails, and in normal crawl this triggers save with error or die 16:34:09 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 16:34:13 -!- jziggy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:34:22 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35:26 <|amethyst> hm 16:35:34 <|amethyst> wait, if we get that far, then builder returned true 16:36:00 <|amethyst> far enough to call _mg_is_disconnected_level 16:36:22 <|amethyst> so it's not that 50 vetoes happened 16:36:35 right 16:36:40 so the check is redundant? 16:36:44 <|amethyst> but rather that it didn't get vetoed at all 16:36:53 it does use dgn_count_disconnected_zones(true); 16:37:00 <|amethyst> if it's triggering it's clearly not redundant :) 16:37:16 well that's the difference I guess, the boolean argument 16:37:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:37:43 the argument is false during the veto check 16:37:50 and true during that mapgen check 16:37:57 "choose_stairless" 16:38:01 is the argument name 16:38:22 ah, I see 16:38:29 If count_stairless is true, returns the number of regions that have no 16:38:35 stairs in them 16:39:09 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39:55 oh the veto has both checks 16:41:14 geeze 16:44:09 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44:55 ah, I think I need to run trunk mapgen; this check may indeed be rudundant is only triggering since I've messed up mapgen a bit :p 16:46:01 are there any rods left that have multiple spells? 16:46:26 i can't think of any 16:46:34 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 16:47:03 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-1689-gfa11693: Ability icons (plus flight) 10(3 minutes ago, 11 files, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa11693111c5 16:47:51 ??rod_of_destruction 16:47:51 rod of destruction[1/2]: Fires a random bolt from the list [venom, draining, fire, cold, lightning, quicksilver, crystal] In 0.13-, had lightning bolt, iron shot, and fireball. 16:47:53 <|amethyst> there are not, according to book-data.h 16:48:11 <|amethyst> so no reason for rods to have books at all now 16:48:19 although I still recall seeing rod code specific to choosing spells, yeah 16:48:32 i was just wondering if they needed icons 16:49:06 <|amethyst> I guess they'd show up in ?/s 16:49:09 speaking of rods, i was wondering whether force lance would make a good rod spell 16:49:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:30 well, on it's own you mean? 16:49:32 since maybe it could be a bit more powerful if you had the drawback of having to wield it to push somethin away 16:49:45 <|amethyst> first, force lance pushing needs to depend on spell power 16:49:46 rod of pushing 16:49:51 it doesn't seem to be a very popular spell spell 16:50:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:50:22 <|amethyst> IIRC right now it only matters in that you might miss (and of course it affects the damage) 16:50:47 <|amethyst> several other things use the same pushing code, with the same probabilities based on monster weight 16:50:59 (also a rod that knocks things back can be shotgun-flavoured) 16:51:07 <|amethyst> err, weight or size, I don't recall of the top of my head 16:51:23 |amethyst: *nobody* knows! :P 16:51:27 <|amethyst> wheals: we already have fan of gales 16:51:31 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:53 the more shotgun effects you have, the more horrifying numeric-precision crashes you'll cause. unless that's been fixed? 16:52:07 <|amethyst> !source bolt::knockback_actor 16:52:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l5814 16:52:08 true, but that's all around 16:52:26 you'd need a lot of barrels to hit everything in a circle around you! 16:52:46 <|amethyst> and body weight depends on size for things that have a corpse weight of 0 (and aren't insubstantial) 16:53:21 so is using force lance on bone dragons a secret tech? 16:53:28 since they're skeletal and lighter 16:53:42 !source body_weight 16:53:43 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l358 16:54:01 uh 16:54:09 ...maybe? 16:55:05 oh no, my dagger of chilly death is +0 :( 16:55:07 damn you pf 16:55:17 as is my scythe of curses 16:55:23 hm 16:55:32 what version are you running 16:55:35 and my majin-bo 16:55:42 This is Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.15-a0-1683-gc5376b7 16:55:48 %git 16:55:49 07ontoclasm02 * 0.15-a0-1689-gfa11693: Ability icons (plus flight) 10(12 minutes ago, 11 files, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa11693111c5 16:55:57 %git :/reav 16:55:58 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1686-gc8f47fa: Unsquash artefacts (reaverb) 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8f47fad4559 16:56:05 3 commits to soon... 16:56:09 rip 16:56:15 I guess I could rebuild something 16:56:21 would that actually help 16:56:29 it should 16:56:30 oh wait, saving and reloading fixes it i think 16:56:32 yes 16:56:34 also that 16:56:38 since unrands get regenned 16:56:50 j - the +6 Majin-Bo {vamp, Archmagi, MP+6 Int+6} 16:56:50 !!! :) 16:56:55 :) 16:57:04 !lm wheals 16:57:05 12652. [2014-06-24 21:54:41] wheals the Necromancer (L20 NaNe of Kikubaaqudgha) entered a treasure trove on turn 59634. (D:13) 16:57:13 nice 16:57:16 i will stick with my +9 pain qblade i think 16:57:37 boring........... 16:58:01 though i did train staves to 12 already, hm... 16:58:08 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:11 how bad is the hard-drive failure 16:58:40 it accidentally deleted all lightlis 16:58:46 oh god no 16:58:59 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 16:59:00 !log . 16:59:01 2717. darkli, XL27 TrMo, T:74591: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20140622-205129.txt 16:59:13 !lg Lightli src=cdo 16:59:13 35. Saber the Grave Robber (L2 VpNe), slain by a rat on D:1 on 2012-11-24 16:51:26, with 44 points after 525 turns and 0:23:44. 16:59:27 ok, so none of them really 16:59:32 oh 16:59:38 so it only affected games past when 17:00:10 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:00:39 i think current games aren't playable 17:00:44 february i think? also stuff besides games 17:00:52 all the milestones and games should be in the db already, no? 17:00:58 !lg * src=cdo 17:00:58 wait not february 17:00:59 957536. DrPraetor the Fighter (L12 GrVM of Fedhas), mangled by Snorg on Orc:1 on 2014-06-24 03:36:10, with 21510 points after 16151 turns and 1:25:57. 17:01:04 Zannick, i meant logs 17:01:11 oh, logs, yes. 17:01:32 also ttyrecs probably 17:02:30 <|amethyst> ttyrecs may be lost unless Napkin recovers them to send to greensnark 17:02:43 <|amethyst> because the disk it's moving to doesn't have room 17:02:46 it would be nice if they got centralized, also because of things like rhf, but that probably would take insane storage 17:03:09 <|amethyst> shallot (green snark's server) has CSZO's 2012 and 2013 ttyrecs 17:03:24 oh, nice 17:03:26 <|amethyst> but I don't know whether it would have room for all the ttyrecs 17:03:46 <|amethyst> it keeps copies of the ones that are played I believe 17:04:03 <|amethyst> by footv 17:04:37 <|amethyst> all logfiles/milestones since 0.4 are at http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring-data/ 17:04:43 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-1689-gfa11693 (34) 17:04:46 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:50 <|amethyst> morgues are not backed up anywhere but should be 17:05:44 <|amethyst> I think Nap kin sort of implied that the morgues and saves would be fine, since he was deliberately excluding the ttyrecs 17:06:47 <|amethyst> but losing the innodb tables could be a big deal for aux services like Mantis and Tavern, depending on which databases used innodb 17:07:17 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:08:10 -!- xnavy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:53 <|amethyst> Also, although you can turn on separate files for each innodb table, it doesn't actually help, because losing ibdata1 still screws you: http://dba.stackexchange.com/a/15542 http://www.chriscalender.com/?p=28 17:10:58 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:00 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 17:11:01 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:11:09 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:13:47 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Client Quit] 17:13:52 <|amethyst> Napkin: have you tried something like ddrescue to pull what can be pulled of that bad ibdata1? You might be able to recover some stuff from a file with gaps by setting innodb_force_recovery in mysql 17:14:21 <|amethyst> Napkin: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/forcing-innodb-recovery.html 17:18:07 ontoclasm: that old mummy restoration tile is quite something 17:18:40 it looks like maybe a mummy holding a plate with a vase on it 17:21:06 |amethyst: 17:21:06 rescued: 270507 kB, errsize: 25088 B, current rate: 3072 B/s 17:21:06 ipos: 5766 kB, errors: 4, average rate: 1629 kB/s 17:21:06 opos: 5766 kB, time since last successful read: 0 s 17:21:31 thanks for the force_recovery hint 17:21:41 i'll read up on that tomorrow 17:21:42 <|amethyst> those look like very good numbers 17:21:46 <|amethyst> maybe just one table lost 17:22:06 let's see if it can show me what's missing 17:23:01 wheals: it's a good example of trying to fit too much stuff into a small space 17:24:02 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:09 the intention was good but i prefer simplicity 17:24:16 the mummy is holding like 17:24:18 a demon morningstar 17:24:26 and also there's a triangle and a plus and a red arrow 17:24:36 ...okay I don't know what's going on there. 17:24:50 PleasingFungus: it's a purple mana symbol with a downward arrow 17:24:56 (since it costs perm mp) 17:25:12 the triangle with the plus is what's on restab potions 17:25:16 ahh 17:27:43 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:29:40 -!- xnavy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:30:13 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:32:07 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:11 -!- mthomson_ is now known as Elynae_ 17:33:21 -!- Elynae_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:23 -!- mthomson_ is now known as Elynae__ 17:34:31 -!- xnavy has quit [Client Quit] 17:35:24 -!- Elynae has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:38:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:39:38 -!- xnavy has quit [Client Quit] 17:42:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:57 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:44:08 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 17:47:33 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:47:42 -!- xnavy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56:30 -!- Elynae__ is now known as Elynae 17:57:10 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:37 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07:40 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:55 03bh02 07* 0.15-a0-1690-gc45ae6e: Increase opacity of chat window. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c45ae6e66986 18:11:48 gonna get dozens of threads complaining about that change, I figure. widespread player revolt. 18:17:10 they can just specify a custom style sheet anyways 18:17:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:12 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:31 I can see everybody is hating on my mummy self - restoration tile <_< 18:22:02 huh, i thought it was bloax's personally 18:22:06 (Yes I know it was bad, the tile before that was basically the same except it used the the old mummy monster tile) 18:22:14 wheals: Ha. 18:22:19 since it reminded me of his ridiculously overelaborate mummy tiles 18:22:39 with the cotton candy 18:23:00 Do you know where these overelaborate tiles are? 18:23:08 hrm 18:23:11 !vault corrupted_temple 18:23:11 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des;hb=HEAD#l3273 18:23:32 this is giving errors in mapgen of Bad NSUBST spec: O = :B / *:O (malformed declaration - must use = or : in ':B') 18:23:48 it seems that the lua function 18:24:01 ontoclasm: I don't have any immediate plans to change up Nemelex, I just didn't want you to make new tiles only for one of his abilties to be gone/changed within the month. 18:24:14 !source dat/des/branches/temple.des:11 18:24:14 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des;hb=HEAD#l11 18:24:17 reaverb: yeah i figured 18:24:27 at that location is not returning a valid altar count number 18:24:30 The only thing I've been sort of thinking about is removing Draw One and making decks do that by default. 18:24:32 but it's not like i don't have a bullion other things to mess with 18:24:53 so i'm just putting nem off 18:25:02 in that it seems to be returning an empty string 18:25:09 presumably it's intended to just return 6 there 18:25:10 -!- Isvaffell is now known as Isvaffel 18:25:13 ontoclasm: Ok. 18:25:26 well I'm not sure if it's a problem in normal crawl 18:25:28 or is objgen not is_validating 18:25:31 -!- Psiweapon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:25:32 this is in -mapstat 18:25:39 and i could find the bloaxmummies if mantis were up xD 18:25:47 Ha. 18:26:08 ??is_mantis_down_bugs 18:26:09 I don't have a page labeled is_mantis_down_bugs in my learndb. 18:26:15 mantis_is_down_bugs 18:26:18 ??mantis is down bugs 18:26:19 mantis is down bugs[1/1]: http://i.imgur.com/tEvKnCO.png 18:26:21 yeah I'm not sure what the is_validating() is exactly, but my guess is that it's during the "des validation" phase 18:26:24 at startup 18:26:28 ah ok 18:26:34 -!- archaeo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:26:36 Yes, I don't think that bug could be solved except maybe by makring the vault no_monster_gen 18:26:44 Which does seem good. 18:27:02 wouldn't help 18:27:25 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27:26 well, it would in the general case, but not for uniques 18:28:10 03bh02 07* 0.15-a0-1691-g6f7bc82: Disable x-overflow for game messages 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f7bc82608b4 18:28:10 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:28:10 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:11 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:28:23 reaverb: I was thinking no_pool_fixup 18:28:25 actually 18:28:39 maybe I should just do like a nil test there 18:28:41 I need to look at the vault, though 18:28:43 also 18:28:45 [16:23] reaverb Do you know where these overelaborate tiles are? 18:28:46 and return 6 if it's still nil for some reason 18:28:49 mantis :) 18:28:55 maybe could help as long as it's not supposed to look like that 18:29:03 Ha. 18:29:08 PleasingFungus: <+ontoclasm> and i could find the bloaxmummies if mantis were up xD 18:29:10 (again) 18:29:12 o 18:29:15 I'm dumb 18:29:34 please not the bloax mummies 18:29:35 please 18:30:08 do you not like delicious cotton candy 18:30:17 we have zot for that! 18:30:25 cotton candy would be a-ok in zot 18:30:31 solution to bone dragons: fill them with delicious candy 18:30:31 give a. liches cotton candy 18:30:33 like pinatas 18:30:38 seconded 18:30:49 a powerful bonus in chunkless...! 18:30:50 maybe we should draw some inspiration from Candy Box 18:31:52 I love that Candy Box has an FAQ in like two-dozen languages 18:31:55 gammafunk: Candy Box? 18:32:01 reaverb: google 18:32:12 http://candies.aniwey.net/index.php?pass=mm28w 18:32:13 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:32:14 also see Candy Box 2 18:32:24 er, that would be my save 18:32:27 wouldn't it 18:32:28 pfff 18:32:31 !messages 18:32:32 (1/1) johnstein said (1m 48s ago): Ramnode rebooted my server today (everyone's actually) due to some emergent security update. I will get CBRO back up soon 18:32:43 Hmm. 18:33:13 ramnode seems to be nothing but trouble for that dude 18:33:37 Hmm, so this is like cookie clicker 18:33:47 it came first 18:33:49 i think 18:34:06 at least, when i saw cookie clicker i thought "so this is like candy box" 18:34:11 it's way better than cookie clicker 18:34:46 yeah, cookie clicker was a candy box clone 18:34:52 they're both bad 18:35:01 crawl is _basically_ a candy box clone 18:35:05 o 18:35:07 true 18:35:13 candy box bad? please 18:35:17 just with more eating 18:36:30 you all saw above probably, but: 18:36:36 ??is CBRO down 18:36:37 is cbro down[1/1]: yes. Service Provider performed an unscheduled reboot after installing critical security updates. server will be back up an running by 0500 GMT (hopefully sooner) 18:36:52 ramnode ain't bad. but seems to act up every couple moths 18:36:54 months 18:36:54 ssh still works! maybe 18:37:17 the real issue is that don't have webtiles on auto restart 18:37:39 1learn lazy_sys_admin 18:38:35 a moth of bugginess flies into johnstein's server! cbro is down... 18:39:47 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:23 moth of bugginess, casts bugform on random monsters 18:40:44 demons -> demonic crawlers, holies -> removed MONS_SHEDU 18:40:56 wait 18:40:58 were shedu bugs? 18:41:06 no, just very buggy 18:41:08 ahh 18:41:11 that works 18:41:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:23 alternatively, add holy bug 18:41:41 Scarab would work but that's taken. 18:41:47 Although it hasn't been added yet. 18:41:58 or better, blessed bug 18:42:00 -!- ckyle_ has quit [Quit: ckyle_] 18:42:14 r??holy swine 18:42:15 holy_swine[5/9]: Pious pig. 18:42:32 mm 18:42:35 the only good holy enemy 18:43:20 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:21 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:43:23 %git :/holy 18:43:23 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-1560-g1137a02: Make profane servitors ignore holy wrath, like holy energy (#7089). 10(8 days ago, 7 files, 16+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1137a02fa7c1 18:43:40 %git 8af576bb844 18:43:40 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1473-g8af576b: Remove Holy monsters' death curses 10(12 days ago, 3 files, 3+ 87-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8af576bb8446 18:43:59 not really convinced by this reasoning 18:44:01 tbh 18:44:02 Yes, might be good to remove Apis anyway now. 18:44:11 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:43 mennas is pretty good 18:44:51 mennas doesn't count 18:45:10 the problem with apis is that they aren't threatening, so there's no reason to kill them (and eat the ely curse) before you kill everything else. 18:45:34 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:46:05 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:46:17 well, that was the problem with apis. they're completely pointless without the curse, ofc. 18:46:57 really tempted to revert 8af576bb844. the reasoning simply doesn't work, especially now that death curses hit the player regardless of who got the kill. 18:47:15 then, buff apis. 18:47:16 apis (16Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 100-139 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 4008(holy) | 08holy | Res: 06magic(106), 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 1345 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 18:47:16 %??apis 18:47:24 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:47:26 oh boy holy damage. exciting 18:47:45 I wonder how you'd make them actually threatening. 40(holy), 20, 20? 18:47:48 I think death curses in general are pretty bad and we need to fix that 18:47:52 bone dragon (15D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 153-205 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 30, 20, 2007(trample) | 07undead, evil, sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3694 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 18:47:52 %??bone dragon 18:47:54 but I haven't thought about it much 18:47:59 What gammafunk said. 18:48:05 I think that strategic death curses are bad 18:48:15 and death curses on harmless enemies (guardian mummies) are mostly bad 18:48:18 I think both are because of the tactics that result 18:48:25 mm? 18:48:33 PleasingFungus: Also I'm kind of confused why you didn't bring this up 10-12 days ago when I pushed that. 18:48:37 well 18:48:41 I wasn't around when you pushed it 18:48:48 that would be the reason 18:48:56 and I was only reminded of it just now 18:48:59 and you don't read the commit logs? 18:49:01 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:49:05 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:49:08 I do, but when I read the logs and saw that, *you* weren't around! 18:49:38 what death curses are strategic, anyway? curse item i guess, and rot maybe? 18:49:41 my feeling is that discussions of this kind of thing only work synchronously 18:49:54 wheals: rot & stat drain 18:49:56 ??necromany miscast 18:49:56 necromany miscast ~ necromancy miscast[1/1]: By severity: 1: Slowing, (living) 5-19 dmg, rotting. 2: 1-3 shadows, (living) draining, 15-37 damage. 3: Reaper, soul eater, 1-7 statloss, draining, (living) severe rot, or torment. 18:50:02 stat drain is technically temporary 18:50:13 stat drain is also strategic 18:50:15 but the scale and time it takes to recover is so long... 18:50:24 strong statdrain can be somewhat relevant in the time that it happens though 18:50:53 maybe. some kind of actually short-term stat drain might be interesting 18:51:03 but crawl doesn't currently have an effect like that, except from wretched stars 18:51:26 but in any case, I'm not proposing any specific rework of death curses right now; I just think kill the monster..no don't kill the monster haha is the problem 18:51:35 make stat drain not heal over tiem maybe?? 18:51:39 time 18:52:02 powerful deterioration buffs 18:52:10 also, that doesn't make it any better a death curse 18:52:14 probably just an active "curse" of some kind in addition to their powerful spells, where the curse wasn't a given, but it'd have to be the right effect and the right conditions for it activating 18:52:42 why is the guardian mummy guarding itself from death 18:52:43 active as in "while the monster is not destroyed" 18:52:51 they should be guarding something else 18:52:55 "I just think kill the monster..no don't kill the monster haha is the problem" <- can you rephrase this? 18:52:57 like flayed ghosts, but we can't really be that severe here 18:53:01 i'm not certain i see the problem, though i haven't done tomb all that much 18:53:09 but you can't just ignore a mummy priest 18:53:20 and certainly not a gmummy 18:53:57 the problem is death curses is they are solved by pressing 5 more after killing non-threats most the time 18:54:16 silence working on mummies does complicate things 18:54:16 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:54:22 imho that is not the problem with death curses 18:54:46 ...also it's not even true 18:55:00 I just did several mummyzigs and I can assure the aftermath of a mummyzig is very, very annoying when you have no restab :y 18:55:06 (same goes for tomb) 18:55:07 yeah, try pressing 5 to get rid of that reaper 18:55:39 see summons aren't a problem death curse 18:56:15 I think they're mostly okay 18:56:46 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:49 Hmm, another thing: Most death curse which are "strategic" are solved by applying a consumable. 18:57:03 I had like a billion rations but stat restore is so slow I just charged in on the next level without waiting for all my stats to restore 18:57:06 tomb is pretty tedious to play because of death curses 18:57:22 reaverb: well, consumables are a strategic resource, yes 18:57:35 since they don't recharge between fights 18:57:59 gammafunk: go kiku :P 18:58:01 if you have a lot of stat drain you have to hold 5 for a rather lengthy period to get those stats back 18:58:09 Tomb never felt tedious to me actually 18:58:18 But I haven't played it all that often 18:58:27 me neither, but same 18:58:36 Kvaak: so manage your restab properly? 18:58:42 not playing it is a good guard against the tedium, yes 18:58:57 looks like I've done tomb about half a dozen time, with different characters 18:58:57 PleasingFungus: Yes, but using something as plentiful as ?rc doesn't really create many intresting decisions. 18:59:14 reaverb: that is an argument that remove curse should be less common 18:59:16 not certain he was defending item curse curse 18:59:16 Probably the best tactic for handling Tomb is not playing it 18:59:18 Of course I have the least right to say anything about Tomb death curses <_< >_> 18:59:22 I did it maybe 10 times, but often with necromut because I'm terrible 18:59:26 also, what wheals said 18:59:31 (item curse curse is kinda dumb) 18:59:38 alefury: that's a rather pointless argument when what I'm trying to say is I can replace a restab with a couple of rations and lots of patience 18:59:48 I don't think it's even on the mummies we're talking about, though 18:59:56 make stat drain not heal over time maybe?? 18:59:59 yeah I think I'm persuaded. I guess what you'd want to do is - that 19:00:08 and tune down most sources of stat-drain somewhat 19:00:11 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:00:16 Well, it already works for DD 19:00:19 the mut, brain feed, death curses 19:00:28 i guess i was thinking of making it like wrath i mean 19:00:38 recovering with xp gained 19:00:38 mut? 19:00:44 gammafunk: deterioration 19:00:49 wheals: Yes stat drain working on a startegic clock would be good. 19:01:03 wheals: that may be better than not having it regen at all, yes 19:01:03 (Also making rot possibly work like draining/wrath might be good) 19:01:14 mm 19:01:17 i'm not so sure about rot 19:01:18 whats wrong with rot now? 19:01:27 not all the things have to work the same way 19:01:41 what's the advantage of making stat drain work like wrath, as opposed to like it does for dd? 19:01:44 I don't think rot is really bad either, I just remember bh complaining about it. 19:01:47 haha 19:01:58 mostly not having to rebalance it 19:02:01 Crawl Light already does the "stat drain doesn't regen over time" thing. 19:02:04 PleasingFungus: the fact you can't replace restab with rations and patience 19:02:06 what bugs me about rot is that it's on speed 10 melee monsters 19:02:22 err 19:02:22 nvm 19:02:23 I am dumb 19:02:24 Kvaak, well in either of those you can't 19:02:25 (and death curses) 19:02:27 minmay: Hmm, so if it was on speed 11 melee monsters it would be fine? 19:02:31 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:31 oh, sorry, you saw 19:02:34 wheals: you'd have to do some rebalancing in either case, I'd expect! 19:02:46 no because speed 11 melee monsters are actually barely different from speed 10 melee monsters 19:03:00 !send minmay death scarabs 19:03:01 Sending death scarabs to minmay. 19:03:01 but like, rot on orbs of fire would be different 19:03:09 in a sense, rot is already on oofs 19:03:14 frail mut is so much more efficient :p 19:03:22 yeah, it'd actually have some effect 19:03:29 minmay: Is this a matter degree? What about a speed 20 melee monster? Or is it just the "melee" part? 19:03:40 well the speed 10 part is bad and the melee part is also bad 19:03:49 mm 19:03:55 reaverb: yes its a degree thing 19:03:58 if you can avoid it just by using ranged attacks, it probably shouldn't give you a strategic penalty 19:04:05 alefury: Hmm. 19:04:18 rot on executioners would be different 19:04:29 or rot on speed 15 melee monsters? 19:04:34 rotxecutioners 19:04:36 hoorifying 19:04:38 *horrifying 19:04:49 hoorifying, eh 19:05:24 hoo! hoo! 19:05:25 necrophages and ghouls are fairly bad monsters in that respect 19:05:26 !send gammafunk rot owls 19:05:27 Sending rot owls to gammafunk. 19:05:42 my favorite thing about ghouls is that they're bafflingly, astonishingly strong 19:05:43 why do ghouls even need to have AF_ROT, players don't 19:05:55 ghouls are pretty okay imo because there are many and they will kill you, the rot is just a minor thing 19:05:59 wheals: well, it's their gimmick. other than that, they're undeath yaks 19:06:07 esp. now that they don't pick up weapons 19:06:09 ghoul (05n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 129-165 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 3004(rot), 30 | 07undead, 10doors, 04eats corpses, evil | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 1547 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:06:09 %??ghoul 19:06:15 wheals: Well, it would be nice if something in the Tomb in AF_ROT, not sure if they actually need it. 19:06:18 two-headed yak 19:06:21 err, Crypt. 19:06:23 doom yak 19:06:30 yettin 19:06:30 also not AF_ROT just rot. 19:06:33 hrm, beam_rot, I kind of like it 19:06:47 of course it's getting into flay territory 19:06:47 Yes that's the logical place to go. 19:06:48 rot crabs? 19:06:50 bring back plague shamblers maybe 19:06:51 haha 19:06:53 I guess that's a death drake 19:07:04 death drakes are fucking brutal though 19:07:06 Not if it's a linear beam. 19:07:12 yeah death drakes are great 19:07:17 reaverb: rotoblepas? 19:07:23 Also miasma slowing you is probably more important. 19:07:51 After a draconian fortress I was rotted for 50+ HP just from the summons 19:07:53 wheals: Well I mean something which rots without miasma. 19:08:19 In retrospect I should have just skipped the level, but it was my first draconian fortress and I wanted to clear it :/ 19:08:23 just give ghouls eyebeams 19:08:26 wheals: well, it's their gimmick. other than that, they're undeath yaks 19:08:36 well you already have death oozes for something like ghouls except better because it's fast 19:08:38 death oozes then\ 19:08:40 oop 19:08:42 so having rot doesn't exactly make them distinct 19:08:43 oh 19:08:46 I forgot those existed 19:08:49 death ooze (06J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 11 | HP: 36-61 | AC/EV: 2/4 | Dam: 3204(rot), 32 | 07undead, 04eats items, evil, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(117), 02cold, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1093 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 19:08:49 %??death ooze 19:08:53 oh 19:08:55 they're "fast" 19:09:01 that is what i meant when i said or rot on speed 15 melee monsters?, yes 19:09:06 huh, good damage 19:09:07 er, or not 19:09:09 huh 19:09:09 well dont get me wrong i think death oozes are bad too 19:09:11 problem is, no hp, no defenses 19:09:13 but not nearly as bad as ghouls 19:09:19 hrm, I could see that actually 19:09:21 clearly bump the hp way up 19:09:24 and slap them in crypt 19:09:26 drop ghouls the monster, place death oozes there 19:09:35 current death oozes are kinda harmless imo 19:09:44 ...and ghouls aren't? 19:09:55 ghouls have hp and defenses 19:10:03 ok death oozes were definitely speed 15 at some point 19:10:04 unless you're doing crypt with chei or obsidian axe, i dont see how you could possibly find ghouls more dangerous than death oozes 19:10:10 Anyway, I could see removing AF_ROT from necrophages and giving them some smite attack which causes the "Rot" status. 19:10:31 why would you make it a smite? 19:10:34 haha that's hilariously brutal 19:10:36 wtf 19:10:42 oh wow i'm totally misreading mon-data 19:10:43 sorry 19:10:44 well they'd need a depth change 19:10:45 minmay: most of my slime-capable characters can squash a death ooze pretty much instantly 19:10:52 or just beam I guess. 19:11:01 whereas a ghoul can take quite a lot of hits, even from e.g. high-power dispel undead 19:11:06 or at least some balancing would be involved 19:11:14 iirc my ~150-power dispel undead octopode took about four casts to kill each ghoul? 19:11:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:11:32 I'm just trying to think of tweaks which would makeIt easier to flavor a rot beam. 19:11:47 whats wrong with rot beam flavor? 19:11:49 I guess that was really putting the cart before the horse. 19:11:51 tear of pieces of its flesh and throw them at you 19:11:55 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:11:55 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:11:59 It's a magical rot beam. Done. 19:12:01 i think Eronarn had a monster suggestion like that 19:12:04 PleasingFungus: but it. is. speed. 10. and. cant. do. anything. if. you. are. not. next. to. it 19:12:09 giving ghouls a rot beam wouldn't be terrible 19:12:32 Haha yes 19:12:35 alefury: Hmm, yes that seems good. 19:12:40 err, fine. 19:12:47 But maybe also give them a different name then because player race 19:12:47 solution: make summon undead haunt-targetted again, make it summon ghouls again 19:12:50 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:12:56 sometimes people care about monster-player symmetry 19:12:57 I don't know if it would also do damage. (The rot beam) 19:12:58 and it baffles me 19:13:06 Pleasingfungus: clinging!!!!! 19:13:11 haha 19:13:13 anyway I'm out 19:13:16 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140529030207]] 19:15:35 !tell PleasingFungus well there are different kinds of symmetry. I agree that "everything has to work the same for players and monsters all the time" is a silly thing to say, at least for crawl. But just calling different things the same because "why not" is needlessly confusing. There's nothing wrong with using different names for different things. 19:15:35 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 19:15:43 well, screw this then 19:16:18 !tell PleasingFungus re symmetry: I agree that "everything has to work the same for players and monsters all the time" is a silly thing to say, at least for crawl. But just calling different things the same because "why not" is needlessly confusing. There's nothing wrong with using different names for different things. 19:16:18 alefury: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:16:20 or not 19:16:43 good night 19:17:02 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:19:09 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:22:01 reaverb: Beam of flesh-eating insects? 19:22:10 dtsund: Ha. 19:22:35 Hmm, I guess necrophages would be reflavored as worms which walk or something. 19:22:49 reaverb: ... 19:22:56 gammafunk: What? 19:23:41 I guess yeah it doesn't really matter so much. 19:26:17 <|amethyst> http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/wormThatWalks.htm not an annelid :) 19:27:48 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:07 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:29:40 how does it have a +20 racial bonus on listen checks 19:29:42 do worms even have ears 19:29:52 gammafunk: Yes you might want to see |amethyst's link if you've never haeard of worms that walk. 19:30:09 minmay: Undead have bonuses on listen checks a lot. 19:30:10 oh I saw it 19:30:14 Liches have it too. 19:30:27 gammafunk: Had you never heard of them before? I can see confusion if that is true. 19:31:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:13 -!- Patashu_ is now known as Patashu 19:31:22 nothing can explain my confusion, I'm afraid 19:31:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:31:47 I thought he was complaining about the D&Dism of it 19:32:10 Yeah they are D&D things. TOME also uses them. 19:33:27 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:33:55 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:10 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:37:47 isn't the worm that walks nyarlathotep 19:39:15 -!- Psiweapon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:40:17 well in all seriousness for necrophages, theme is hardly the concern, but just making sure that this more difficult monster gets it placement properly adjusted 19:41:00 it might be fine as-is, but anyone who wants give it raged rot would start thinking about that before thinking about making them worms or not :p 19:42:40 gammafunk: I was thinking abotu giving them ranged rot and lowering their melee damage/health. 19:42:50 so their placement could stay the same. 19:43:02 necrophage (15n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 804(rot) | 07undead, 10doors, 04eats corpses, evil | Res: 06magic(33), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 122 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:43:02 %??necrophage 19:43:19 you can't really lower their health that much 19:43:27 and they do 8 damage 19:43:39 So lower it to 6 damage? 19:43:56 or is the primary concern the Rot? 19:44:08 8 damage, 4.5 on average, 6 damage, 3.5 on average, ignoring ac 19:44:27 yeah the issue is the player will got rotted in every encounter 19:44:31 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:44:42 !lg * s=ikiller 19:44:47 3359305 games for *: 721925x, 184355x a kobold, 183493x a hobgoblin, 162472x a gnoll, 132858x an orc priest, 115029x an orc wizard, 93466x an ogre, 88046x Sigmund, 85089x an orc, 82839x an adder, 78968x a jackal, 75426x a goblin, 64962x an orc warrior, 59062x a centaur, 58179x a giant gecko, 47214x a worm, 46104x a snake, 33807x Grinder, 30326x Terence, 26930x Crazy Yiuf, 26804x Ijyb, 24418x an oo... 19:45:00 !lg * /ikiller=nercophage 19:45:01 0/3359305 games for *: N=0/3359305 (0.00%) 19:45:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:45:23 necrophage 19:45:27 !lg * /ikiller=necrophage 19:45:28 738/3359305 games for *: N=738/3359305 (0.02%) 19:45:58 Hmm, I guess that's an awful measure for monster with a startegic attack... 19:46:34 minmay: when I'm in a fight, and a ghoul comes into view, I have to pause and re-evaluate the strategic situation. Can I kill both my current enem(y|ies) and the ghoul? Or should I run away? When a death ooze comes into view, I re-evaluate nothing, because they're squishy enough that I can always kill them before they get the chance to do much of anything. 19:46:44 ...pun not intended 19:47:11 well that's not really true; slime is just very different than crypt 19:48:59 its layout, and things like the royal jelly fight, and also their speed means that you can't ignore them, since it's not often 1v1 19:49:08 when it is 1v1, then yeah they're pretty trivial 19:50:06 s/its layout/slime's layout/ 19:52:18 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:52:39 -!- Lasty_ has left ##crawl-dev 19:52:45 I mean 19:52:50 I have always ignored death oozes in slime 19:52:58 they have never ever been relevant to me 19:53:08 !lm . br.enter=slime 19:53:09 19. [2014-05-23 02:50:10] PleasingFungus the Crack Shot (L24 CeHu of The Shining One) entered the Pits of Slime on turn 75811. (Lair:6) 19:53:38 !lg * recent ikiller=~death_ooze 19:53:39 26. Moanerette the Imperceptible (L22 KoHe of Elyvilon), slain by a death ooze on Slime:6 (slime_pit) on 2014-06-24 15:10:46, with 331110 points after 69384 turns and 15:05:55. 19:53:44 !lg * recent ikiller=~ghoul 19:53:45 sounds right 19:53:46 17. PeL the Impaler (L21 FoGl of Qazlal), slain by a ghoul on Crypt:2 on 2014-06-11 07:45:52, with 257363 points after 44520 turns and 3:23:45. 19:53:48 haha 19:55:01 Now I don't think the rot aspect of death oozes is ever relevant 19:55:12 !lg * recent ikiller=~death_ooze s=place 19:55:14 26 games for * (recent ikiller=~death_ooze): 10x Slime:6, 5x Lair:8, 3x Slime:5, 2x Slime:4, 2x Swamp:5, Lair:7, Zig:10, Abyss:1, Slime:1 19:55:15 oops 19:55:18 !lg * recent ikiller=~death_ooze s=br 19:55:20 26 games for * (recent ikiller=~death_ooze): 16x Slime, 6x Lair, 2x Swamp, Abyss, Zig 19:55:27 !lg * recent ikiller=~ghoul s=br 19:55:29 17 games for * (recent ikiller=~ghoul): 5x D, 4x Crypt, 3x Swamp, 3x Vaults, 2x Abyss 19:55:33 interesting 19:55:49 tbh, I didn't remember ghouls in swamp - I assume that's the undead end? 19:55:59 yeah think so 19:56:14 there's one vault I'm thinking of that might also place one 19:56:25 !lg * kmap=~cheibrodos s=kmap 19:56:26 257 games for * (kmap=~cheibrodos): 212x cheibrodos_gnoll_hut, 7x cheibrodos_swamp_heart_of_darkness, 6x cheibrodos_slug_habitat, 6x cheibrodos_stairvault_heist, 5x cheibrodos_leafed_vault, 4x cheibrodos_lost_city_excavation, 4x cheibrodos_breeding_chamber, 4x cheibrodos_orc_bank, 2x cheibrodos_snake_lava_hold, 2x cheibrodos_beetle_habitat, 2x cheibrodos_shoals_oceanic_diplomacy, cheibrodos_swamp_... 19:56:36 !lg * kmap=~cheibrodos s=kmap br=swamp 19:56:37 9 games for * (kmap=~cheibrodos br=swamp): 7x cheibrodos_swamp_heart_of_darkness, cheibrodos_swamp_slimy, cheibrodos_swamp_mausoleum 19:56:55 !lg * kmap=~cheibrodos_swamp_maus 19:56:56 1. Psiweapon the Stickfighter (L15 MiGl of Xom), mangled by an alligator zombie on Swamp:2 (cheibrodos_swamp_mausoleum) on 2014-06-15 02:34:46, with 107198 points after 27760 turns and 3:53:13. 19:56:59 nope 19:57:12 !vault cheibrodos_swamp_mausoleum 19:57:13 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/swamp.des;hb=HEAD#l1466 19:57:59 !lg * recent ikiller=ghoul br=swamp s=kmap 19:58:00 3 games for * (recent ikiller=ghoul br=swamp): 2x hangedman_swamp_ravenous, st_shrine_of_shade 19:58:22 -!- negatendo has quit [Client Quit] 19:58:28 -!- drachereborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:58:43 !lg . place=slime s=ikiller 19:58:44 7 games for gammafunk (place=slime): 3x the royal jelly, gammafunk's ghost, an acid blob, a giant orange brain, 19:59:19 man that GOB, what a jerk 20:00:01 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:00:07 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:01:03 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:01:55 !lg . slime s=ikiller 20:01:56 3 games for Grunt (slime): 2x, an acid blob 20:02:03 !lg . slime s=ckiller 20:02:04 3 games for Grunt (slime): 2x acid, an acid blob 20:02:26 boring 20:02:32 * Grunt is now a BORING thing. 20:04:10 Has anybody ever looked at removing the hidden breakpoint of training Dodging and stealth in heavy armour? 20:04:29 It seems like something which should be removed (Like the EV penalty thing was changed.) 20:05:00 !vault tar_grunt_small_loot 20:05:01 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/tar.des;hb=HEAD#l1064 20:05:19 gammafunk: moo? 20:05:35 (oh right, I guess some of those need no_exits tags or whatever I called the tag) 20:05:36 Unable to find exit from tar_grunt_small_loot 20:05:37 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:05:45 Grunt: yeah, hold on I have a list 20:05:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:54 ok, it's more like 20:05:57 another one: tar_grunt_small_decor_pillar 20:06:12 mapstat was warning about these 20:06:18 also someothers but I'm fixing those 20:06:35 I can fix these too if you like 20:06:44 unless only Grunt is worthy to touch a grunt vault 20:06:48 which may be true 20:07:01 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]] 20:07:13 why am I talking to myself, he's already half-way done fixing them 20:08:29 I'm not, actually :b 20:08:37 (go ahead, I'm working on other things right now) 20:08:50 ok 20:09:08 just know better than to try to outrun a hasted patch executioner 20:10:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:10:53 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:11:25 I guess I'll make reaverb happy and not lump all these disparate fixes into one commit 20:11:50 Hmm, how disparate are these? 20:12:16 I mean something like "Update a few more vaults for the no_exit tag" seems fine. 20:12:52 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:13:23 -!- t4nk287 has quit [Client Quit] 20:13:35 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:42 no, it's fix various unrelated issues 20:13:48 only connection is that they were found by mapstat 20:13:58 Ok, Thanks for splitting it up. 20:14:04 which we should really run on a cron or something along with objstat when that's finished 20:14:06 (Also gives you better git stats :D) 20:14:47 if we had like voting for commits 20:14:50 I would totally be a winner 20:15:14 like if you could "like" gammafunk's removal of inventory weight 20:17:00 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17:43 reaverb: I think I'm going to re-add the weight for the forest layout and just add a #TAG_MAJOR_VERSION in the des 20:18:02 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:18:03 gammafunk: Sure That's fine. 20:18:18 it messes up mapstat, which I could workaround, but it's technically just wrong to allow the branch to exist and not allow it to have a layout 20:18:22 ok 20:19:13 reaverb: is there any standard we're following for non-C++ files for the major version? 20:19:33 gamafunk: Not really, other than a comment with TAG_MAJOR_VERSION in it. 20:20:07 You should also mention it's tag 34. 20:20:16 I suppose the script could be modified to remove those since we're talking about #comments anyhow 20:20:40 yeah I'll just do the TAG* and 34 reference for now 20:20:48 Well we also have the use lua files. 20:20:52 Which have -- comments. 20:21:01 I guess it could work for des too. 20:21:37 yeah, only issue might be that they des syntax wouldn't support multiple WEIGHT statements 20:21:40 not even sure if it does 20:22:34 gammafunk: We could give lua access to the tag version. 20:22:45 And then use that to mark things as TAG_MAJOR_VERSION foo. 20:23:23 reaverb: well, for lua you can just generally isolate the statement I *think* 20:23:37 oh 20:23:42 you could do that in .des as well 20:23:42 Yeah. 20:23:54 if br = Forest or something like that 20:25:03 I'll ask |amethyst about it at some point 20:25:08 or maybe his Gruntness 20:25:12 ? 20:26:14 Grunt: if we wanted to do something like a allow .desfiles to be updated by the tag_major_version script 20:26:53 have it read the comments, and for somethinglike layout_forest.des, conditionally set theweight in lua? 20:26:54 mm 20:27:18 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:33 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:37 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:30:45 also, would anymone mind terribly if i made the command-line argument -mapstat consistent with the name used in the supporting code? 20:30:58 it's "mapgen" or "mg" in the function names, yet the argument is mapstat 20:31:14 I could rename the functions to "mapstat" and "ms" but renaming the argument is easier 20:31:54 but if anyone cares strongly, I can rename the functions; it's just confusing to have inconsistant names 20:32:23 heh, and the output file is mapgen.log 20:32:24 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 20:32:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:32:58 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:14 I will take silence vigorous agreement 20:33:22 s/silence/silence as/ 20:33:40 * Bcadren takes his hat off to you guys. 20:33:42 I never realized how much work even level generation is until...today and yesterday. 20:34:06 (A profound silence engulfs ##crawl-dev.) 20:34:14 Data structure references structure; which references str... 20:34:26 gammafunk: Hmm, it would probably be better for people if you changed the function names, I don't feel to strongly about it though. 20:34:28 * Bcadren cuts off suddenly because of unnatural silence. 20:34:56 I guess I can easilly change the name 20:35:02 mapstat and objstat are kind of better names I guess 20:35:19 I always think of it as mapstat, FWIW. 20:35:28 ok, I'll do thatthen 20:35:41 also, someone give me a new spacebar 20:35:50 <|amethyst> actually 20:35:54 uh oh 20:35:56 !send gammafunk a new keyboard 20:35:57 Sending a new keyboard to gammafunk. 20:35:58 <|amethyst> rather than _ms_* for the function names 20:36:34 <|amethyst> why not just _is_disconnected_level, _report_random_vaults 20:36:35 Grunt: I begin to regret buying a laptop 20:37:07 |amethyst: one issue for that is that there are kind of multiple "systems" in the dbg-scan and dbg-maps files 20:37:12 I guess that's true in other crawl files 20:37:27 <|amethyst> maybe use a namespace than 20:37:35 hrm, seems reasonable 20:37:36 <|amethyst> that might be not worth it though 20:37:48 can I set a namespace for only a set of functions in a file? 20:37:53 gammafunk: Yes. 20:37:55 I could split out the files 20:38:03 and then do what |amethyst suggests 20:38:18 dbg-scan in particular isn't a great file for objstat to live in 20:38:21 but for mapstat 20:38:31 yeah, dbg-mapstat and dbg-maps? 20:38:46 and dbg-objstat 20:38:53 <|amethyst> if you split it up, fewer of those static functions can be static 20:39:02 <|amethyst> not that that should be a controlling factor or anything 20:39:16 no, but I don't think there's much cross-talk between the two systems 20:39:17 er 20:39:26 I don't think mapstat needs the other functions 20:39:34 and I know objstat doesn't 20:40:07 ....oh 20:40:13 dbg-maps is *only* mapstat 20:40:17 so problem solved I guess 20:40:32 <|amethyst> ah 20:40:42 yeah a new file for objstat and we're good 20:40:44 <|amethyst> yeah, since it's static the short name should be fine 20:40:54 and I can remove those prefixes for the static functions 20:41:02 and then use mapstat and objstat for teh not static ones 20:41:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 20:41:33 <|amethyst> without a namespace (static is kind of like an anonymous namespace, but only for functions and variables) 20:41:41 right 20:43:45 -!- Farcaster has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:44:21 how do y'all handle the randomized property items...randArts; I mean...they can't just be a base-type like everything else...the properties would need to be enumerated individually... 20:44:27 -!- allbefore has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:46:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:51:01 <|amethyst> Bcadren: there is an enumeration of all the artefact properties (see artefact_prop_type in enum.h) 20:51:18 <|amethyst> Bcadren: Each artefact has an array with an integer value for each property 20:52:36 <|amethyst> Bcadren: for many of the properties it's really just a boolean, but some like ARTP_FIRE and ARTP_BASE_DAM have numeric values 20:55:46 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:56:58 -!- Psiweapon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:59:56 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 21:00:06 -!- Kramin has quit [Client Quit] 21:00:09 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:02:52 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:02 !seen dpeg 21:03:02 I last saw dpeg at Tue Jun 24 20:06:47 2014 UTC (5h 56m 15s ago) saying '|amethyst: he wrote to me that he is saving right now as much as possibl. I understood that this is why the disk swap will happen later, not now.' on ##crawl-dev. 21:06:34 !seen bh 21:06:34 I last saw bh at Wed Jun 25 02:03:02 2014 UTC (3m 32s ago) saying '!seen dpeg' on ##crawl-dev. 21:07:24 Vasek (L15 DsIE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:14) 21:08:17 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 21:08:19 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:00 I wonder... 21:11:05 !seen Sequell 21:11:05 Sorry Bcadren, I haven't seen sequell. 21:11:11 haha. 21:12:22 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: bye!] 21:13:56 somebody needs to add a hit verb so you can discombobulate frogs 21:15:25 What kind of attack would that be? <_< 21:15:48 dunno 21:16:08 maybe if you confuse one 21:16:26 "The spiny frog is discombobulated." 21:16:33 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:17:58 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:17 -!- Dixlet_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:44 -!- owl is now known as read 21:20:09 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:24:42 -!- Dixlet_ is now known as Dixlet 21:25:11 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:11 -!- bh has quit [Client Quit] 21:28:44 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:49 !define discombobulate 21:30:17 discombobulate v 1: cause to be confused emotionally [syn: {bewilder}, {bemuse}, {throw}] 2: be confusingor perplexing to; cause to be unable to think clearly; "These questions confuse even the experts"; "This question completely threw me"; "This question befudd... 21:30:29 [from another channel's bot; I forgot wasn't here.] 21:39:34 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:53 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:44:43 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:45:38 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:42 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 21:47:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:47:37 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:22 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:43 -!- DiazepaN has quit [Quit: DiazepaN] 21:51:47 03reaverb02 07[smithgod_rebased] * 0.15-a0-1717-ga29748b: Merge branch 'master' into smithgod_rebased 10(10 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a29748b16100 21:51:47 03reaverb02 07[smithgod_rebased] * 0.15-a0-1718-geea628e: Buff Igni piety once more 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eea628e56841 21:51:48 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:51:48 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:51:48 -!- Tenda has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:01 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:52:10 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:16 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:10 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:08:04 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: negatendo] 22:12:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:13 ghouls in tome have a ranged ability, retch 22:13:22 it's an AOE that heals undead and hurts everything else 22:17:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:10 -!- allbefore has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:20:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:28 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:25:57 // Darts don't absolutely need a launcher - still allow upgrading. 22:27:08 huh 22:27:12 lotta code here for picking up ammo with different plusses 22:29:15 this code is the stuff of nightmares 22:32:46 rip hand crossbows 22:33:08 taken too soon 22:35:13 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:36:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:37:02 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:37:38 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 22:41:19 huh. if maurice steals ammo from you, he randomly loses on average about half of it. 22:41:37 is... that something that needs to be the case? 22:44:18 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:45:20 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:59 s/ammo/anything that stacks/ 22:46:24 true 22:46:35 Maurice steals 3 scrolls of acquirement! 22:46:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 22:49:05 PleasingFungus: I would say no. 22:49:06 hm 22:49:25 The way I read this code, he's not supposed to *lose* anything; he just only steals some of it. 22:49:34 oh 22:49:38 I might have skipped a later bit 22:49:48 ah, you're right 22:49:54 sorry 22:49:59 Ah. 22:55:56 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [] 22:56:48 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:58 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00:15 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:01:34 Experimental (smithgod_rebased) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1718-geea628e 23:05:09 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:13 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:10:04 -!- zercules has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:10:39 03gammafunk02 07* 0.15-a0-1692-g0ad7181: Use the proper sling ego in a Geh vault 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ad71812439e 23:10:39 03gammafunk02 07* 0.15-a0-1693-g08576f0: Add a no_exits tag to two Tar vaults 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=08576f069176 23:10:39 03gammafunk02 07* 0.15-a0-1694-g885872e: Enable the forest layout for Forest until a major version change 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=885872e09678 23:10:39 03gammafunk02 07* 0.15-a0-1695-g912cc7b: Clean up a lua function to count altars for Temple vaults. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=912cc7b8de5e 23:10:39 03gammafunk02 07* 0.15-a0-1696-g612c5d8: Clean up the mapstat function names and variables 10(7 minutes ago, 6 files, 99+ 100-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=612c5d83b722 23:13:33 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:14:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:22 gammafunk: no "and X more commits"? 23:14:27 I am the disappoint. 23:14:33 Grunt: well objstat is pretty close 23:14:40 but yeah opportunity missed I guess 23:14:45 these were boring commits anyhow 23:15:08 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:15:13 haha 23:15:16 -!- DayBay has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:16:21 !send PleasingFungus BORING commits 23:16:22 Sending BORING commits to PleasingFungus. 23:16:31 -!- SchwaWarrior has quit [Quit: Gonna go try and write my YAVP now. I hope the forums come back up soon so I can transfer it off a .doc file!] 23:16:36 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:45 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:20:33 mm. first pass on orc ammo gifts is almost done 23:20:46 balance is gonna be a bitch 23:20:48 !send PleasingFungus ammo 23:20:49 Sending ammo to PleasingFungus. 23:20:52 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:02 !send grunt thousands_of_obscure_special_cases 23:21:02 Sending thousands_of_obscure_special_cases to grunt. 23:21:16 !send PleasingFungus even more special cases 23:21:16 Sending even more special cases to PleasingFungus. 23:21:21 noooooo 23:21:27 * PleasingFungus drowns. 23:21:29 !send PleasingFungus special case rases 23:21:29 Sending special case rases to PleasingFungus. 23:21:30 er 23:21:32 s/rase/race/ 23:21:33 wow 23:21:36 too many s 23:21:44 (27 demonic crawlers come into view.) 23:22:47 maybe beogh should gift like 23:22:48 shadow ammo 23:22:55 idk if that's possible 23:23:23 that would certainly be easier to balance, but idk about the technical side, yeah. it would be much easier to make all orcs have INFINITE SHADOW AMMO 23:23:28 but I'm like 90% sure that would be overpowered 23:23:29 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: CKyle_] 23:24:09 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:39 (fr: Dithmenos provides shadow ammo????????) 23:24:44 haha 23:24:49 he already does! 23:24:51 in a sense........ 23:31:16 |amethyst: greensnark: seems like sequell is out of sync with cbro. maybe due to the unplanned reboot earlier today. is this something that usually sorts itself out with time or does something need poked at? 23:33:11 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:56 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:37:59 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:59 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:27 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:44:07 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:15 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:46:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1697-g1db180b: Allow Beogh to gift ranged weapons & ammo 10(22 hours ago, 1 file, 128+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1db180b6d3a0 23:46:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1698-g42ddfa2: Cleanup some monster throwing weapon pickup code 10(67 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42ddfa208c63 23:46:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1699-g8100441: Don't mistake ranged weapons for melee weapons 10(44 minutes ago, 3 files, 28+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=810044142f6b 23:46:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1700-gc94875d: Don't make orc drop melee weapons when gifted launchers 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c94875da97cf 23:46:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1701-gdfc5782: Don't bless orcs with shields in an obscure bad case 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfc57823c777 23:46:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1702-g9691bb5: Give free ammo when gifting launchers to orcs 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9691bb5c050e 23:46:50 man, I should probably have used "gift" and "bless" more consistently 23:46:52 ah well 23:46:58 !send PleasingFungus consistency 23:46:58 Sending consistency to PleasingFungus. 23:47:06 "what's that?" 23:54:06 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:28 hrm, what happens to beogh orc ammo when it's fired? 23:57:32 becomes a normal item? 23:57:32 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:40 or rather is a normal item? 23:57:52 that is the current behavior 23:58:07 hrm, I guess it's also true now for hostiles, isn't it 23:58:17 maybe it always ways 23:58:23 yes 23:58:25 hence the vaults 23:58:30 aka "land of infinite crossbow ammo" 23:58:48 well, didn't they pick it up though 23:59:06 they? 23:59:08 if the player was out of los and they were wandering 23:59:12 hostile monsters 23:59:38 they would pick it up regardless if there was enough of it 23:59:48 why?