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01:05:00 <Lightli> uh
01:05:05 <Lightli> why is this frost giant green
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01:17:16 <Adeon> he's having it easy being green
01:23:43 <minmay> there've been a lot of recoloured monsters showing up
01:23:59 <minmay> I think some vault or vaults is screwing up
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01:44:06 <Lightli> yeah
01:45:45 <Lightli> https://dobrazupa.org/saves/darkli-crawl-git-dbf8174808-140622-0645.tar.bz2
01:45:48 <Lightli> Here's the savefile
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09:29:52 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1647-g465957c: The great mon-stuff migration. 10(3 days ago, 98 files, 2180+ 2224-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=465957cba490
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09:36:53 <geekosaur> do I need to do something to fix my build tree after this? make is grumping about deps
09:39:07 <wheals> i think i remember that it remade the contribs when i first compiled but it was fine after that
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09:40:02 <Cheibriados> trog gifts throwing weapons with 0 throwing skill 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8722 by letownia
09:40:09 <geekosaur> make: *** No rule to make target `mon-stuff.h', needed by `abyss.o'.  Stop.
09:40:32 <wheals> rm Makefile i guess? since that's not tracked
09:40:55 <geekosaur> uhhh
09:40:59 <geekosaur> it very much is tracked
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09:41:30 <wheals> oh, yes :/
09:42:17 <wheals> but it should be including Makefile.obj, which has no reference to mon-stuff.h now
09:46:28 <edlothiol> try deleting all the .d files
09:46:36 <geekosaur> yeh
09:47:11 <geekosaur> actually I'm digging through Makefile because it has a comment indicating it should be detecting stale .d files, but it didn't
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09:50:11 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1648-g11bbb12: Macro-ify recolouring-only monsters as well. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 18+ 50-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=11bbb12bfd08
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09:54:44 <edlothiol> I think it only detects when the .cc file is newer than the .d file, but abyss.cc didn't change in the commit and its deps were stale anyway
09:58:11 <Lasty> anyone know how conflicting mutations are supposed to work?
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10:03:05 <reaverb> Lasty: Pretty sure nobody understands how conflicting mutations ae suppose to work <_<
10:03:33 <Lasty> ha
10:03:35 <Lasty> dang
10:03:41 <Kvaak> scales are especially fun
10:03:54 <Lasty> well, it looks like it handles innates correctly, so that's fine
10:03:58 <Kvaak> apparently you can have one scale type at level 3 and another at 1, or two at 2
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10:04:30 <reaverb> !func _handle_conflicting_mutations
10:04:30 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;hb=HEAD#l1101
10:04:42 <Lasty> yeah, I've been reading through it
10:05:00 <Lasty> It exits on innate, so it's fine for my purposes
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10:23:21 <Kvaak> http://i.imgur.com/xJZn0Ze.png
10:23:26 <Kvaak> is it just me or is this kind of weird
10:23:53 <Kvaak> that all happened in about 10 aut
10:24:54 <tabstorm> pro minotaur
10:25:05 <Kvaak> hold on how is it swapping weapons anyway
10:25:07 <CKyle> AS predicted, 465957c broke OS X compilation.
10:25:07 <tabstorm> its like how the naga shooters swap weapons mid fight and then back to their bow
10:25:09 <Kvaak> I thought monsters no longer did that
10:25:10 <reaverb> Kvaak: Monsters being able to wield and unwield things without taking time is so players can't exploit it.
10:25:20 <tabstorm> how would a player even exploit it
10:25:34 <tabstorm> gain 0.5 aut by weapon dropping and run away
10:25:34 <tabstorm> ?
10:26:16 <reaverb> Kvaak: Yes, I guess maybe you never saw the weapons before you woke up the minotaur?
10:26:23 <Kvaak> it's standing on top of them
10:26:37 <Zaba> CKyle, you mean the xcode project?
10:26:39 <Kvaak> so I saw them at the same time. I guess?
10:26:40 <reaverb> I don't know at what point items are marked seen.
10:27:32 <reaverb> CKyle: I haven't tried it myself yet but make clean should fix it.
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10:28:00 <CKyle> ah, thanks
10:28:40 <Kvaak> why did it check every single weapon anyway
10:28:45 <Kvaak> I've never seen that happen
10:29:29 <reaverb> Kvaak: Might want to bug report that on mantis, if somebody realizes it isn't a bug for some reason or the other thye will just close it.
10:29:34 <Kvaak> okay
10:29:50 <CKyle> compiling… thanks
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10:32:56 <minmay> I don't think decreasing remove curse frequency was good for gameplay
10:33:39 <minmay> it mainly introduces an additional gap between when you find equipment and when you actually try wearing it
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10:34:47 <mooose> A possible solution might be to not generate cursed items until D:3-4
10:35:48 <mooose> The problem you mentioned already exists prior to the remove curse scroll frequency change.  Characters are afraid to wield that glowing dagger they find on D:1, and often, when they do, it's debilitating
10:36:36 <minmay> true, this is more of a symptom of equipment identification being completely uninteresting in every game that has it including crawl
10:36:48 <minmay> but it seems unlikely to go away
10:36:50 <mooose> Couldn't agree more.
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10:39:49 <reaverb> It might be time to make the final push and just remove cursed items from natural generation. (at least until if/when dpeg makes them actually interesting)
10:40:49 <Cheibriados> Minotaur (un)wields four weapons in the space of one turn. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8723 by Kvaak
10:40:58 <minmay> well, removing cursed items is functionally the same as removing equipment identification
10:41:09 <Kvaak> but distortion!
10:49:14 <BlastHardcheese> fr hand curses
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12:04:14 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1649-g4eb87e2: Allow rings of slaying to be up to +8. 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4eb87e29c610
12:04:14 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1650-g99ae1ee: Promote intra-cephalopod monarchy synergy. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 37+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=99ae1ee20535
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12:06:08 <reaverb> Please stop the "Promote" commit messages which don't actually say what the commit is doing :|
12:07:08 <reaverb> (and other commit messages which don't actually say what the commit message is doing)
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12:24:29 <Cheibriados> Gnolls can still hit you with polearms from one tile away when they are entangled in nets 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8724 by Somebody
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12:38:23 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: that does explain what the commit is doing, though
12:38:54 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Not in the top "Promote intra-cephalopod monarchy synergy."
12:39:10 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Nor do you commits in that sytle <_<
12:39:12 <PleasingFungus> adds synergy between octopus king items
12:39:14 <PleasingFungus> make sense to me
12:39:35 <reaverb> What is that synergy?
12:40:12 <PleasingFungus> that's a detail, explained in the commit :)
12:40:35 <reaverb> It is not a detail :(
12:41:06 <PleasingFungus> sure it is
12:41:20 <PleasingFungus> man, you are way too serious about commit messages
12:41:23 <PleasingFungus> lighten up!
12:41:52 <PleasingFungus> you seriously get worked up about commit messages all the time. it's source control for a game about elfs, man. it's not serious business
12:42:58 <reaverb> I'm just imagining somebody in the future trying to figure out why monsters all have AC 0 or whatever the next epic_bug is.
12:43:30 <reaverb> Extremely frustrated as they go through the history and can't tell what a commit is doing without looking at it closer.
12:43:45 <reaverb> (Ok, yes maybe I'm taking this a bit to seriously)
12:44:12 <PleasingFungus> :)
12:44:20 <Lasty> %git
12:44:20 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-1650-g99ae1ee: Promote intra-cephalopod monarchy synergy. 10(43 minutes ago, 2 files, 37+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=99ae1ee20535
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12:50:46 <Lasty> I like it in that now the octopus king trident feels like something other than a nice random floor trident
12:53:22 <reaverb> Well, how often will a player exploit that synergy?
12:53:27 <reaverb> this synergy.
12:53:49 <reaverb> You need to be an Op using polearms who finds 9 specific unrandarts to get the full effect.
12:55:41 <Lasty> Yup, it'll never happen
12:55:52 <Lasty> but it feels like it -could-
12:56:11 <Lasty> I mean, what would be better is an unrandart that actually does something intersting or removing Octo Trident, but hey
12:56:44 <reaverb> Actually I imagine some zig raider will eventually use an Op polearms user and grab all the rings.
12:57:05 <reaverb> (Only to realize they've found a better set of randarts along the way)
12:57:30 <SamB> the synergy does happen without the full set, though, right?
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12:58:40 <reaverb> Yes, it does, each ring gives +1 enchant.
12:59:20 <SamB> so it's not like that needs to ever actually happen for it to be interesting
12:59:44 <reaverb> Well it's the equivalent of giving each octopus ring +1 slaying if you're using the trident
13:00:07 <reaverb> Which isn't really enough to significantly sway somebody's weapon choice.
13:00:18 <Lasty> Especially considering how unimpressive the trident is alway
13:00:21 <Lasty> *anyway
13:00:28 <Lasty> Give it a drowning brand instead :p
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13:00:47 <SamB> maybe it needs a different formula
13:01:16 <reaverb> Lasty: The drowning brand might actually work if water elemental attacks work on monsters.
13:01:21 <reaverb> I don't know if they do.
13:02:44 <reaverb> Wow, this monster AI code is really awful.
13:02:55 <reaverb> and I'm probably going to make it worse by fixing that monster reaching bug.
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13:05:01 <PleasingFungus> hey, reaverb - were you working on "monster-wielded weapons ID their brands on sight"?
13:05:31 <ChangeAj> thats me
13:05:40 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: I thought I could do it quickly, but there some code duplication between view.cc and delay.cc which really needs to be fixed first.
13:05:47 <PleasingFungus> ok
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13:05:56 <PleasingFungus> there was a guy in the SA thread who thought it had already happened
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13:06:17 <reaverb> Ha.
13:06:31 <PleasingFungus> and I wanted to double-check before correcting him!
13:08:07 <ChangeAj> do these https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8685 not work for monster wielded weapons id?
13:08:26 <reaverb> A) Does C++ short-circuit conditionals? B) If so, should we combine conditionals if it has to rely on the short circuiting to not exectue something?
13:09:13 <Zaba> && and || short-circuit, yes
13:09:48 <PleasingFungus> What do you mean by "combine conditionals"?
13:09:50 <Zaba> the alternative to relying on short-circuiting is usually either unnecessary indentation levels or segmentation faults
13:09:55 <ChangeAj> you can do things like if (var != null && var.opterator)
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13:10:40 <reaverb> Well what it is that there's a function which combines a query and a command. [_handle_reaching(mons]
13:10:48 <reaverb> And it's in an if statement.
13:11:59 <reaverb> Changing that statement to "If( !mons->caught() && _handle_reaching(mons) )" would fix a bug (Monsters using reaching while netted)
13:12:17 <reaverb> But I don't know if splitting that into 2 if statements would be better.
13:12:30 <Zaba> it would be equivalent, but harder to read, in my opinion
13:12:33 <ChangeAj> should fix it but nesting is more explicit
13:12:37 <reaverb> since _handle_reaching has side effects.
13:12:40 <Lasty> reaverb: yeah, that code is painful. I just waded through it to implement the new Iashol * ability, and it left me at very low HP.
13:13:12 <reaverb> Zaba: Err, what is "It"
13:13:15 <SamB> Lasty: glad you didn't die
13:13:18 <Zaba> it's generally understood and expected that functions have side effects in C++ :P
13:13:19 <|amethyst> reaverb:  why check it on the call to _handle_reaching instead of in _handle_reaching itself?
13:13:19 <Sequell> |amethyst: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them.
13:13:25 <Zaba> reaverb, writing nested ifs instead of &&
13:13:32 <Lasty> SamB: aw thanks. I really need to learn when to retreat.
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13:13:44 <Zaba> reaverb, it's what I referred to when I said "unnecessary levels of indentation"
13:13:45 <reaverb> |amethyst: Hmm, that's probably a good idea.
13:13:50 <reaverb> Zaba: Ok Thanks.
13:14:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  re the crash in 8717: start recalling and head to the SE
13:14:14 <Zaba> also, the meaningfulness of _handle_reaching's return value might need some scrutiny
13:14:29 <reaverb> Since things like sanctuary are checked there.
13:14:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  the shaft is around the SE corner of this room or just around the corner
13:14:33 <Zaba> that code doesn't look very nice either way
13:14:44 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: ok, ty!
13:15:24 <|amethyst> Zaba:  it looks like it returns true if they tried to use reaching and therefore spent a turn?
13:15:26 <Zaba> but yeah, in this case just checking inside the function as |amethyst says seems like the best option
13:15:36 <Lasty> crate said the Power Leap targeter was allowing players to target occupied tiles. Can anyone think of a targeter that doesn't that I can model after?
13:15:53 <|amethyst> Lasty:  the jump attack targetter maybe?
13:15:59 <|amethyst> oh wait
13:16:07 <|amethyst> that does target an occupied tile and lands you next to it
13:16:19 <Lasty> yeah
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13:16:45 <Lasty> I modeled after the cblink targeter, which I assumed wouldn't allow you to target a monster, but . . . I guess it does?
13:17:01 <PleasingFungus> ah, ok, crash reproduced
13:17:02 <PleasingFungus> hm
13:17:13 <reaverb> Lasty: Conjure flame maybe?
13:17:15 <Zaba> |amethyst, heh, yeah, I said that before looking carefully at handle_monster_move
13:17:20 <Lasty> good idea!
13:17:21 <Zaba> now I regret having done that
13:18:52 <SamB> |amethyst: maybe that should be in a comment!
13:18:59 <Zaba> haha, comments
13:19:01 <SamB> at the top, I mean
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13:19:36 <reaverb> wheals: "extra newlines at eof: crawl-ref/source/art-func.h"
13:19:41 <SamB> Zaba: are you laughing at how few there are, or how innacurate?
13:19:48 <reaverb> wheals: (I'll fix it, just note for the furture)
13:19:53 <Zaba> I'm laughing at the concept
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13:23:24 <Zaba> comments are inferior to descriptive variable names such as gluggy
13:23:42 <Zaba> RIP gluggy
13:24:12 <SamB> Zaba: return values haven't got names
13:24:29 <|amethyst> function do :)
13:24:32 <|amethyst> functions
13:24:32 <PleasingFungus> sure they do! they're named "the function that returns them()", obv
13:24:34 <PleasingFungus> fuck
13:24:39 <PleasingFungus> too slow :(
13:25:10 <|amethyst> I added a comment but did not rename the function
13:25:27 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1651-ga5a3744: Comment a function (SamB) 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5a37449bca3
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13:25:29 <reaverb> ChangeAJ: I looked at your monster weapon ID stuff, the major problem I noticed is that there should be a message when the monster comes into view so the player doesn't have to x over them.
13:25:31 <|amethyst> because it's sitting next to all these other _handle_foo functions that work similarly
13:25:53 <|amethyst> perhaps  _maybe_try_reaching, _maybe_try_evoke_equipment etc
13:26:04 <|amethyst> or maybe without the _maybe
13:26:19 <PleasingFungus> _try_reaching,_young_warrior()!
13:26:23 <Zaba> _do_or_do_not_reach
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13:26:34 <|amethyst> I guess there is no try
13:26:36 <reaverb> |amethyst: Maybe we should have a consistant convetion for functions which might do something but which also might not do something.
13:26:46 <Zaba> try is for exceptional cases
13:26:55 <ChangeAj> it does the _describe stuff automatically if you set_ident_type
13:26:56 <SamB> hehe
13:27:05 <SamB> _do_or_do_not_reach is gold ;-P
13:27:16 <ChangeAj> like it says monster comes into view wielding a long sword of blah
13:27:29 <|amethyst> reaverb:  I think more specific would be better: functions which might or might not cause a monster to take an action
13:27:45 <|amethyst> reaverb:  Because "might or might not do something" is kind of general :)
13:27:47 <reaverb> ChangeAj: Hmm? That's interesting. I'll look at that patch later.
13:28:02 <reaverb> |amethyst: Hmm.
13:28:30 <reaverb> !learn add reaverb[$] Mantis issue #8685
13:28:31 <Sequell> reaverb[5/5]: Mantis issue #8685
13:35:40 <Cheibriados> 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1652-ge0dfef6: Fix monsters reaching or throwing things while in nets (#8724) 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0dfef650ba4
13:35:40 <Cheibriados> 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1653-g7a751d0: Formatting Fixes 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a751d0484cc
13:36:54 <PleasingFungus> hahaha
13:36:58 <PleasingFungus> I left my computer untended last night
13:37:12 <PleasingFungus> and one of my friends stuck a "const int sex;" into the code I was working on
13:37:13 <PleasingFungus> nice!
13:38:36 <SamB> PleasingFungus: what, no = INT_MAX?
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13:39:06 <PleasingFungus> I don't think he actually knows c
13:39:15 <PleasingFungus> I'm surprised he managed to get something that was even syntactically valid!
13:39:35 <SamB> what happens if you do have "const int sex;" ?
13:40:11 <SamB> does it just get the value 0, or?
13:41:02 <|amethyst> error: uninitialized const ‘sex’ [-fpermissive]
13:43:03 <SamB> that's kind of what it did to my brain too ;-)
13:43:12 <PleasingFungus> o
13:43:18 <PleasingFungus> well, I didn't actually try to compile with it
13:43:53 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  That's a matter of semantics, not syntax, so you're still technically correct :)
13:44:58 <|amethyst> const char *sex;  is legal for example, because the const applies to a different part of the type
13:47:27 <Zaba> also depends on where it's declared, I think
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14:24:09 <Lasty> What's mesclr() do?
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14:27:51 <Lasty> oh
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14:41:29 <Cheibriados> When you Beogh-piety convert orcs, their summons don't change allegiance accordingly 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8725 by Somebody
14:46:24 <reaverb> Lasty: Doing anything with mesclr() ?
14:46:33 <reaverb> I was thinking of renaming it clear_messages()
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14:51:52 <Lasty> reaverb: actually I ended up wiping it from the function that was using it
14:52:33 <reaverb> Lasty: Heh, That's probably cause a trivial conflict, but oh well.
14:52:38 <reaverb> That'll
14:52:45 <Lasty> Oh, what kind of conflict?
14:52:46 <Lasty> oh
14:52:47 <Lasty> right
14:52:48 <Lasty> yes
14:52:54 <Lasty> well, it's an iashol specific function
14:52:56 <Lasty> so no biggie
14:54:09 <Lasty> while I've got your ear, do you have an idea for the best way to make sure every single existing monster in the dungeon turns hostile to you right now, and/or after seeing you?
14:54:31 <Lasty> Apparently my DID_SACRIFICE_LOVE conduct isn't enough
14:55:17 <reaverb> Lasty: Hmm, I would look at how things like Yred's gifts going hostil on abondonment work.
14:56:01 <|amethyst> Lasty:  for one thing, you'll need a daction to convert monsters on other levels when you enter those levels
14:56:37 <|amethyst> existing friendlies I mean
14:56:51 <|amethyst> unless you just want to make it happen when they enter LOS or something
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14:57:58 <Lasty> reaverb: good idea for a reference, thanks!
14:58:15 <Lasty> |amethyst: I'd be fine with them converting on entering LOS if that's better
14:58:20 <reaverb> Lasty: Sure.
14:58:42 <reaverb> Entering the LOS might be easier than tracking down everywhere friendly monsters could exist.
14:59:16 <|amethyst> yeah, besides levels, there are also transit lists
14:59:25 <Lasty> oh, my new * ability makes even friendly monsters skip turns and attack random targets/self
14:59:33 <Lasty> gotta fix that
15:00:05 <|amethyst> hm
15:00:16 <|amethyst> actually, I guess dactions auto-apply to monsters in transit
15:01:03 <Lasty> Is that a better approach then?
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15:01:34 <|amethyst> it would be technically pretty simple
15:01:46 <Lasty> I like the sound of that. :D
15:01:52 <|amethyst> and has the advantage that you can't stay out of sight to let old permallies keep killing
15:02:18 <|amethyst> see DACT_ALLY_YRED_SLAVE for example
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15:02:33 <|amethyst> as reaverb suggested
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15:03:02 <Lasty> cool, thanks
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15:09:07 <PleasingFungus> %git 465957cba490a2a9d5444a64523572a90cfb837f
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15:22:13 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1656-gb4d1502: Make beogh blessing gift types more reasonable 10(88 minutes ago, 1 file, 110+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4d1502afde5
15:22:44 <PleasingFungus> oh right, I was going to make that comment better before i pushed it
15:22:48 <PleasingFungus> I knew I was forgetting something
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15:27:18 <Cheibriados> Autoexplore Oversight? Two unexplored tiles after "Done exploring" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8726 by Psiweapon
15:28:31 <reaverb> sub-sub type is barely comprehensible. I guess it means like hat vs. helmet?
15:28:49 <PleasingFungus> yes
15:28:55 <reaverb> Also doesn't item.props exists now and should take the role of most of those?
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15:32:11 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: |amethyst argues that adding more union types to item.plus, plus2, etc would solve the problem more elegantly
15:33:37 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Hmm, I haven't heard of union types in C++ before, let me look that up.
15:36:01 <reaverb> The most important thing is probably the ability to name each differant responsibility.
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15:45:48 <reaverb> PleasingFungus:  Unions do sound good for that purpose.
15:46:37 <reaverb> My thoughts on the archeteture would be having a type of struct for each item type, then placing those structs as the readable types in the union.
15:48:04 <PleasingFungus> mm. maybe talk to |amethyst about it; I don't feel strongly either wa.
15:48:07 <PleasingFungus> *way
15:50:14 <reaverb> Hmm, that might be difficult to marshall though.
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16:56:21 <reaverb> Hmm, there hasn't been any significant progress on the bone dragon issue since it was brought up a few days ago. I think I'll remove them from normal generation for now, if somebody thinks of a better plan that can be reverted.
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17:00:14 <Lasty> Let's make them merge like slime creatures. "The bone dragon tower claws you!!!!"
17:01:42 <reaverb> So they're abominations?
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17:03:30 <Cheibriados> Shadow creatures causes crash in holy pan 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8727 by Zooty
17:04:54 * Lasty only chooses to share bad ideas involving bone dragons.
17:05:00 <reaverb> Ha.
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17:06:18 <Lasty> Aw crap, spears have distortion now?
17:06:38 <Kvaak> everything has distortion now
17:06:52 <Lasty> well, live and learn and have a +1 spear glued to your hand
17:07:10 <reaverb> Lasty: I had a distortion spear before.
17:07:25 <reaverb> Before you could butcher with a "blunt" weapon.
17:07:28 <Lasty> ouch
17:07:31 <Lasty> that sounds painful
17:07:36 <Lasty> did you unwield it and get banished?
17:07:43 <reaverb> I had to buy a book of necromany from shop for animate skeleton.
17:07:48 <Lasty> ha
17:07:49 <Lasty> that works
17:08:10 <reaverb> (Ash used to have altar vaults with vault defined books of animate skeleton)
17:08:18 <Lasty> I remember those
17:08:24 <Kvaak> yes, and that was awesome
17:08:27 <Lasty> they were quite good for everyone, since animate skeleton is nuts
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17:26:04 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-1656-gb4d1502 (34)
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17:30:26 <PleasingFungus> Hm. I wonder if a complimentary orc band at 2* would be a nice beogh thing. It'd make him stronger in the early game, but he'd still fall off later on; he'd just have a slightly wider range of usefulness.
17:30:26 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
17:30:44 <PleasingFungus> plus, you'd get to play with orc pals from earlier on, which is nice.
17:31:16 <reaverb> Well Beogh already gifts orcs occasionally if you don't have any.
17:31:25 <reaverb> I would just tweak that formula.
17:31:26 <PleasingFungus> Yes, but not that early on.
17:31:47 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Well I would make it that early on by tweaking it then :D
17:31:49 <PleasingFungus> The problem is that it's tied into the blessing frequency mechanic very intimately.
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17:32:17 <reaverb> Oh, hmm, that's odd.
17:32:30 <reaverb> I guess it makes sense.
17:33:11 <PleasingFungus> He blesses on kills if you roll rand2(piety) > 75; if you don't have anyone nearby to bless, there's a 1/20 chance that he'll send you reinforcements.
17:33:19 <reaverb> It would be nice if the armour bonus which no longer makes much sense was removed and replaced with better followers or something.
17:33:42 <PleasingFungus> I'm not a big fan of smite, either, though it is pretty thematic.
17:34:00 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Could increase the 1/20th, what piety does that start at?
17:34:10 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Hmm, what don't you like about smite?
17:34:30 <PleasingFungus> well, it's not very strong (iirc), and it's very boring. It's smite-targeted vanilla damage.
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17:34:40 <PleasingFungus> It's there because beogh's priests can smite.
17:35:03 <PleasingFungus> But it's very much a "theme" ability rather than a "mechanics" ability; I'm not convinced it supports the playstyle that well.
17:35:06 <PleasingFungus> idk.
17:35:11 <reaverb> making it stonger is easy.
17:35:20 <PleasingFungus> ??piety
17:35:20 <Sequell> piety[1/5]: With your current god, you have a piety number nominally from 1-200. If your piety reaches 0, you are excommunicated. piety[2] describes piety and penance. piety[3] describes piety growth in general. piety[4] describes piety growth for each god. piety[5] describes uses of piety.
17:35:26 <reaverb> (Also you can hide behind your orcs and smite something like a monster orc priest <_<)
17:35:28 <PleasingFungus> ?*
17:35:30 <PleasingFungus> ??*
17:35:30 <Sequell> *[1/4]: 30-49 piety
17:35:36 <PleasingFungus> ??**
17:35:36 <Sequell> **[1/1]: 50-74 piety
17:35:57 <PleasingFungus> looks like reinforcements, like all blessings, start at *** piety, though you only have a reasonable chance of them showing up at higher piety levels.
17:36:16 <PleasingFungus> also, smite eats up too much piety for you to use it that much, iirc
17:36:29 <reaverb> (Also something easily changed!)
17:36:49 <PleasingFungus> it's a special-occasion ability that isn't very good even on special occasions. qaz basically does "smite" better in every way
17:36:52 <reaverb> Although using smite every nontrivial fight would probably be bad.
17:36:53 <PleasingFungus> with... upheaval?
17:36:55 <PleasingFungus> ??upheaval
17:36:55 <Sequell> upheaval[1/1]: {Qazlal}'s 2* ability; blasts a small (increasing with Invocations) area around a smite-targeted location with lava, ice, air (like Airstrike), or rubble (like LRD) damage. Lava can leave lava tiles; ice flash-freezes enemies; air leaves storm clouds; earth can destroy walls.
17:36:57 <PleasingFungus> yes
17:40:38 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: I think 1-target is an important distinction, I might try tweaking that some time.
17:40:49 <PleasingFungus> yeah, I agree it should stay one-target
17:41:00 <PleasingFungus> I just think that "airstrike, but without the extra damage to fliers" is a very boring ability!
17:41:10 <PleasingFungus> like i said, some kind of status effects might be neat
17:41:15 <PleasingFungus> or maybe I didn't say that
17:41:17 <PleasingFungus> idk
17:41:24 <reaverb> Well then it has to happen to players so.
17:41:34 <PleasingFungus> no, not really
17:41:46 <PleasingFungus> player-monster symmetry isn't real..........
17:41:52 * reaverb wonders how often awesome Korean Beogh players use smite
17:42:08 <PleasingFungus> well, they don't play anything like normal players, because they're speedrunners
17:42:10 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: I guess if the added effect only occured at high piety it would make sense.
17:42:14 <PleasingFungus> so I'd be reluctant to take any particular lessons from them
17:42:19 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Hmm.
17:42:26 <PleasingFungus> since what speedrunners play only vaguely resembles "crawl"
17:42:54 <reaverb> breadswinging
17:43:04 <Kvaak> breadstabbing?
17:43:18 <reaverb> ??breadswinging
17:43:19 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled breadswinging in my learndb.
17:43:31 <Kvaak> (I know)
17:43:40 <PleasingFungus> hm. "somebody" suggests that amulet of faith should increase the frequency of beogh blessings, which seems... fairly reasonable.
17:43:58 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Do Beogh blessings use gift timeout?
17:44:00 <Grunt> Somebody suggests something.
17:44:19 <reaverb> If they do it already it does and if it doesn't it should :D
17:44:24 <MarvinPA> i would prefer faith not get a whole bunch of extra special-casing per-god generally
17:44:33 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: they do not
17:44:35 <MarvinPA> except where it's really necessary
17:44:41 <PleasingFungus> like I said, they have a special mechanism
17:44:49 <PleasingFungus> scattered across mon-death.cc
17:45:03 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Maybe it should use gift timeout? I'm not sure why it wouldn't.
17:45:08 <PleasingFungus> search in there for "piety_breakpoint(2)"
17:45:09 <minmay> MarvinPA: there are gods where it's necessary?
17:45:16 <PleasingFungus> minmay: gozag?
17:45:26 <PleasingFungus> and I, Asshole, ofc
17:45:50 <reaverb> Xom, sort of, I guess it could also do nothing on those gods.
17:45:51 <minmay> i dont think gods that havent actually been designed yet should count
17:45:53 <Lasty> Xom
17:45:57 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: at a guess, it doesn't use gift timeout since it's supposed to reward you for letting your orcs get kills (since that increases the frequency of blessings by 10x)
17:46:03 <Lasty> monmay: ouch
17:46:04 <minmay> faith worked fine on xom when it did nothing
17:46:07 <MarvinPA> i wouldn't call the gozag case especially necessary, doing nothing for gods with no piety would be pretty reasonable
17:46:21 <Grunt> 1learn add iashol <PleasingFungus> I, Asshole
17:46:35 <minmay> Lasty: burned you so good it carried over to your keyboard
17:46:45 <Lasty> yeah, my computer's overheating like crazy
17:46:52 <PleasingFungus> Grunt: not my joke, sorry
17:47:09 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Hmm, not sure how desirable encouraging people to have their orcs kill things is.
17:47:11 <minmay> (that wasn't really intended as an insult, rather both gods are obviously so unfinished that their piety mechanics seem as subject to change as anything else)
17:47:26 <reaverb> minmay: Both?
17:47:32 <PleasingFungus> gozag too, he means
17:47:42 <PleasingFungus> gozag seems a little more finished than iashol.
17:48:03 <minmay> gozag strikes me as a lot less finished as far as design
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17:48:11 <Lasty> woohoo
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17:50:36 <reaverb> // jmf: Trog hates wizards.
17:50:45 <Lasty> On the Iashol release notes I'm putting "Gozag strikes me as a lot less finished as far as design -- minmay"
17:50:49 <Lasty> People will be lining up to play
17:50:52 <reaverb> Wonder why that need a signiture. <_<
17:50:54 <minmay> !lg * wz trog won
17:50:55 <Sequell> 5. Demise the Conqueror (L27 MiWz of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-04-13 13:54:02, with 1521411 points after 92384 turns and 5:19:34.
17:51:06 <reaverb> (That's in the mon-death.cc stuff)
17:51:09 <minmay> reaverb: jmf doesnt know his gods
17:51:17 <minmay> or her, i don't remember
17:52:49 <reaverb> Lasty: What are thses "Ru release notes"
17:52:57 <reaverb> these
17:53:18 <Lasty> reaverb: good point -- I should swap the name over soon
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17:53:24 <Lasty> Ru still have more than 50% of all votes cast
17:53:28 <Lasty> *ash
17:53:30 <Lasty> *has
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17:53:41 <Lasty> (6:53:18 PM) Lasty_: reaverb: good point -- I should swap the name over soon
17:53:41 <Lasty> (6:53:20 PM) reaverb left the room.
17:53:41 <Lasty> (6:53:24 PM) Lasty_: Ru still have more than 50% of all votes cast
17:53:55 <reaverb> Lasty: Heh, thanks.
17:53:56 <Grunt> rurururururururu
17:55:02 <reaverb> Lasty: I use vim's arglist functionality for those sorts of search and replace, what were you planning to use?
17:55:36 <PleasingFungus> First god with a name that could be confused for a race/class shorthand?
17:55:45 <PleasingFungus> I'm a hure of ru
17:56:10 <PleasingFungus> (this is not an actual complaint)
17:56:47 <Lasty> I was planning to run three case-sensitive search/replaces on the codebase in Sublime. It's less elegant, but it should get the job done
17:57:11 <reaverb> Hmm, maybe if there's an easy way to add a third letter to "Ru"? Then maybe that would be good.
17:57:20 <Grunt> m
17:57:36 <Lasty> PleasingFungus: We just need to add the race rufalos and the background rubes so we can have a RuRu^Ru
17:57:46 <PleasingFungus> solid. ship it
17:57:48 <reaverb> Lasty: Using Sublime sounds fine, certainly a lot better than doing something like capturing groups  <_< >_>
17:58:11 <Lasty> reaverb: ha, yeah -- luckily "iashol" doesn't appear inside any other word or context
17:58:21 <reaverb> Hmm, I guess you could always confuse background abr. with species abv. etc.
17:58:27 <PleasingFungus> imagine if you have to rename the god away from ru!
17:58:40 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: you'll ru the day you try to do that
17:58:42 <Lasty> I refuse to imagine that
17:58:51 <PleasingFungus> haha
17:58:52 <PleasingFungus> good.
17:59:09 <Lasty> reaverb: Human hunters already know that pain
17:59:21 <PleasingFungus> Lasty: or felid fire elementalists?
17:59:24 <Grunt> Lasty: huhuhuhuhuhuhuhu
17:59:25 <PleasingFungus> or high elf healers
17:59:32 <Grunt> (clearly the H god needs to starts with Hu
17:59:33 <Grunt> )
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18:00:01 <Lasty> and end with it too
18:00:21 <Kvaak> Hu-Man
18:00:22 <PleasingFungus> Grunt, MarvinPA, since you're around, did either of you have opinions on "beogh gives a free orc band at 2*" idea?
18:01:06 <Grunt> ...I thought recruitment only normally started at 3*?
18:01:14 <Grunt> (or did that change)
18:01:22 <Grunt> Also, remember 2* -> Monk starting piety
18:01:54 <PleasingFungus> it does, yes
18:02:03 <PleasingFungus> also: hm
18:02:17 <Grunt> (so a HOMo runs into an orc priest and suddenly there are two orc bands, or?)
18:02:40 <PleasingFungus> well, when you convert
18:02:49 <PleasingFungus> the orc priest only becomes "friendly neutral"
18:02:51 <PleasingFungus> not actually friendly
18:04:09 <Grunt> It's more that "press aXy to clone this orc pack" seems a bit odd :)
18:05:18 <PleasingFungus> yeah, the monk interaction is a reasonable point
18:05:19 <PleasingFungus> mm
18:05:46 <PleasingFungus> could give just one guy (a "companion"), rather than a full pack?
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18:06:08 <PleasingFungus> bonus points if he starts out named
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18:06:31 <Grunt> (possibly bad idea: converting as a HOMo turns the pack friendly instead of good-neutral?)
18:06:55 <PleasingFungus> seems like a weird special case
18:07:03 <reaverb> Grunt: Would probably encourage hunting down a good pack.
18:07:03 <PleasingFungus> idk
18:07:24 <PleasingFungus> ha, yes. wait to convert until you find a knight in orc
18:07:25 <reaverb> I guess not since it's so early game.
18:07:28 <PleasingFungus> idk if that's how packs work
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18:11:34 <Grunt> You'd be going a long time without following a god if you were trying that, though.
18:12:42 <PleasingFungus> true. beogh doesn't currently give much of benefits for that time, but with your mechanic, he would
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18:14:25 <PleasingFungus> man. really wish I could pull a devteam[6 on 8717
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18:15:16 <Grunt> %bug 8717
18:15:16 <Cheibriados> 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8717
18:15:32 <reaverb> ??devteam[6
18:15:32 <Sequell> devteam[6/15]: <MarvinPA> sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix <MarvinPA> by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up
18:15:47 <PleasingFungus> I mean, I can't, because it's a crash bug, and I introduced it
18:15:51 <PleasingFungus> but it's a hard bug :(
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18:17:39 <wheals> <minmay> reaverb: jmf doesnt know his gods
18:17:47 <wheals> !lg * map~~multigod_temple s=map
18:17:48 <Sequell> No games for * (map~~multigod_temple).
18:17:51 <wheals> er
18:18:22 <reaverb> wheals: Always test you snarky bot commands in pm first!
18:18:23 <wheals> !lg * map~~multi_god s=map
18:18:23 <Sequell> 332 games for * (map~~multi_god): 181x jmf_multi_god_temple2, 151x jmf_multi_god_temple
18:18:30 <wheals> apparently
18:18:43 <wheals> this vault has some pretty great 8 deaths i think
18:18:53 <reaverb> !lg * map~~jmf s=map
18:18:53 <Sequell> 332 games for * (map~~jmf): 181x jmf_multi_god_temple2, 151x jmf_multi_god_temple
18:19:14 <wheals> !lm zooty x=start
18:19:15 <Sequell> 3037. [2014-06-22 21:53:20] [start=2014-06-16 21:15:05 [20140516211505S]] Zooty the Slayer (L27 NaNe of Kikubaaqudgha) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1)
18:19:36 <wheals> !crashlog zooty
18:19:37 <Sequell> 2. Zooty, XL27 NaVM, T:118877 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Zooty/crash-Zooty-20140413-134229.txt
18:19:50 <wheals> !crashlog zooty 1
18:19:51 <Sequell> 1. Zooty, XL23 FoHu, T:54286 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Zooty/crash-Zooty-20140330-132822.txt
18:20:18 <Grunt> The one time I remember getting one of the jmf vaults (I think it was 1) it had a centaur warrior on D:5 or 6 or so.
18:20:25 <Grunt> I killed it!
18:20:25 <Grunt> And took its longbow! <_<
18:20:34 <PleasingFungus> noice
18:20:34 <wheals> they're pre-dcss , right?
18:20:39 <Grunt> Yes.
18:20:44 <reaverb> wheals: The changes to the vault spawn list recently might have caused the Zooty crash.
18:21:05 <reaverb> of holy pan.
18:21:17 <wheals> yeah, there are crashes when someone loads a game they saved on holy pan a few months ago and the game tries to generate a paladin
18:21:20 <wheals> every so often
18:21:39 <reaverb> wheals: Hmm, why paladins?
18:21:52 <wheals> they were the first holy monster to get axed
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18:22:18 <PleasingFungus> huh, I thought they were axed much longer ago
18:22:25 <wheals> exactly
18:22:35 <reaverb> 0.13?paladin
18:22:35 <wheals> !lm * noun~~MONS_PALADIN x=start
18:22:39 <Sequell> 6. [2014-04-06 21:27:37] [start=2013-03-30 16:41:06 [20130230164106S]] Dassem the Sorcerer (L27 DsWz of Vehumet) ERROR in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1205: invalid monster to place: removed MONS PALADIN (411) (Pan)
18:22:52 <wheals> i guess people like to save in holy pan
18:22:56 <PleasingFungus> jerks
18:23:17 <reaverb> So why isn't replaced with a ghost?
18:23:32 <wheals> because that happens on load to actual monsters
18:23:48 <wheals> i have no idea how deserialising the spawn list works
18:24:05 <reaverb> wheals:  Hmm.
18:24:21 <reaverb> I'm kind of confused why that wouldn't happen with the ohter removed holy monsters then.
18:24:36 <reaverb> !lm * noun~~MONS_PHONEIX x=start
18:24:37 <Sequell> No milestones for * (noun~~MONS_PHONEIX).
18:24:40 <reaverb> ??phoneix
18:24:40 <Sequell> phoneix ~ phoenix[1/1]: Holy bird. Dead as of 0.14
18:24:59 <reaverb> !lm * noun~~MONS_PHOENIX x=start
18:25:00 <Sequell> 1. [2014-05-25 17:02:33] [start=2014-04-20 20:28:08 [20140320202808S]] Kellhus the Talismancer (L27 GrWz of Vehumet) ERROR in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1218: invalid monster to place: removed MONS PHOENIX (405) (Pan)
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18:25:07 <reaverb> Hmm, oh.
18:25:14 <reaverb> Is the crash recoverable?
18:25:21 <Grunt> It's really easy to explain why that's happening:
18:25:43 <Grunt> the saved game saves the level monster list, which is obviously still going to include monsters that have later been removed.
18:25:57 <PleasingFungus> ugh. http://sprunge.us/bjfD this causes a crash every time I use stairs, and I don't really understand why
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18:27:00 <PleasingFungus> I wish I could get lldb working.
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18:27:06 <SamB> Grunt: aren't you supposed to make them self-destruct or something when you remove monsters?
18:27:14 <reaverb> Grunt: Hmm, where is that unmarshalled. It might be possible to remove the removed monsters on load then.
18:27:22 <wheals> nobody's bothered to do that for the spawn lists
18:27:30 <reaverb> SamB: We do for most cases, I guess it's never been handled for spawn lists.
18:27:36 <wheals> but it's probably possible
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18:27:54 <SamB> oh
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18:28:09 <SamB> how long have spawn lists been marshalled?
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18:30:31 <Cheibriados> Switching of items, spells, abilities (= command) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 by ensis
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18:31:56 <reaverb> Hmm, there are probably around 3-4 patches on mantis now that could be pushed with minimal review...
18:33:37 <PleasingFungus> mm
18:34:06 <PleasingFungus> minimal code review, yes
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18:34:34 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: (ensis' patch isn't on that list really <_< Just reminded me of it)
18:34:42 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  in the first patch hunk, you want to be using mons->apply_..., not comp->mons.apply_...
18:35:14 <PleasingFungus> ah. I do, yes
18:35:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  follower::apply_location_effects probably shouldn't exist as such
18:36:13 <PleasingFungus> ?
18:36:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  'mons' in the follower should never be on the current level
18:36:50 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  because it's in the follower list
18:37:02 <PleasingFungus> ah
18:37:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  moving it to the level makes a copy, and that's the one you want to apply the effects to
18:37:46 <PleasingFungus> so how do I find the copy?
18:38:01 <|amethyst> it doesn't exist until you place it
18:38:18 <|amethyst> see recall_offlevel_ally for an example
18:38:30 <|amethyst> if (comp->mons.place(true))   then you look it up by mid
18:38:49 <PleasingFungus> I see
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18:39:25 <|amethyst> and you should probably make sure it's off the transit list before you do anything to it
18:39:43 <PleasingFungus> this code erases it from the transit list on the preceding line
18:39:44 <PleasingFungus> I think?
18:40:00 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  the next line in recall_offlevel_ally
18:40:05 <PleasingFungus> ah
18:40:25 <PleasingFungus> I see
18:40:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  it's not safe to run location effects until after that happens, or you could end up with the monster on the same transit list twice
18:40:54 <|amethyst> e.g. if it falls down the shaft to the level it was originally recalled from
18:41:02 <PleasingFungus> true. it still looks like recall_offlevel_ally does that a few lines up
18:41:05 <PleasingFungus> remove_monster_from_transit()
18:41:07 <PleasingFungus> but
18:41:19 <PleasingFungus> we do want to check that the monster is still alive & onlevel before healing it, etc
18:41:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  oh, right, that's before the code you added
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18:42:00 <PleasingFungus> will just mons.alive() be enough to check that?
18:42:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  it will be mons->alive
18:42:47 <|amethyst> but it *should* be
18:43:08 <|amethyst> maybe there's some strange situation where its dying spawns another monster which takes its mindex
18:43:24 <|amethyst> but if so that spawn should probably be a fineff, then it's not an issue
18:43:30 <PleasingFungus> ok
18:43:31 <|amethyst> (TRJ spawns are, for example)
18:44:01 <gammafunk> dat/des/branches/geh.des:195: Ego 'frost' is incompatible with item 'sling'.
18:44:04 <gammafunk> I really should look at this
18:44:06 <|amethyst> must go now; later
18:44:07 <gammafunk> since I keep seeing it
18:44:10 <PleasingFungus> later!
18:44:14 <PleasingFungus> thanks for the help :)
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18:52:01 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: for crawlcode, have you seen "bool CrawlIsCrashing"
18:52:11 <PleasingFungus> good bool
18:52:19 <PleasingFungus> (I had not seen that)
18:52:28 <reaverb> It's in stuff.cc
18:52:28 <Grunt> what
18:52:38 <PleasingFungus> Grunt: what
18:52:52 <Grunt> (imo "stuff.cc" itself)
18:53:06 <PleasingFungus> is stuff.cc better than misc.cc?
18:53:12 <PleasingFungus> or mon-stuff.cc (rip)
18:53:13 <reaverb> !source stuff.cc:187
18:53:14 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/stuff.cc;hb=HEAD#l187
18:53:44 <reaverb> misc.cc is like trice the size of stuff.cc so probably.
18:53:52 <reaverb> s/trice/thrice/
18:54:15 <PleasingFungus> reaverb, you know how we used to have spells1.cc through spells4.cc?
18:54:16 <reaverb> Pleasingfungus: CrawlIsCrashing is a global btw.
18:54:22 <reaverb> That's what all caps is.
18:54:34 <PleasingFungus> tbf, if anything was going to be a global, I'm kind of okay with that being
18:54:36 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Yes, I found that out when I looked at the original vampire patch.
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18:54:53 <PleasingFungus> did you know we still have skills1.cc and skills2.cc?
18:54:59 <reaverb> Yes.
18:55:01 <PleasingFungus> *skills.cc and
18:55:06 <PleasingFungus> it's great
18:55:12 <reaverb> It's still joked about.
18:55:12 <Grunt> It's pretty
18:55:14 <Grunt> skillful.
18:55:16 <PleasingFungus> mm
18:55:22 <PleasingFungus> I was trying to split out the blessing code into a new file
18:55:23 <PleasingFungus> bless.cc
18:55:27 <Grunt> bless you
18:55:29 <Grunt> <_<
18:55:33 * PleasingFungus sneezes!
18:55:53 <Cheibriados> 03infiniplex02 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1658-g3dc8773: Better layout type names 10(3 days ago, 16 files, 53+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3dc87739768d
18:55:55 <PleasingFungus> but I ran into some trouble with _place_delayed_monsters.
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18:55:57 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: The best files to split other files from are probably stuff.cc, misc.cc, and main.cc
18:56:16 <PleasingFungus> there's a whole mess of static code lurking at the bottom of religion.cc...
18:56:32 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: but I don't understand any of that code!
18:56:40 <PleasingFungus> whereas, I do understand the bless code
18:56:40 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Yes I tired to implement doors pushing corpses off but I needed mon-abil.cc code which was a rather hard knot.
18:56:42 <PleasingFungus> since I rewrote most of it!
18:56:45 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Hmm.
18:57:12 <reaverb> and the problem was I don't realize that until I started working.
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19:01:01 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1659-gc76c7bb: Fix a crash when recalling monsters onto shafts (8717) 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 58+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c76c7bb6881a
19:01:20 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Ha! You found it!
19:01:39 <PleasingFungus> CrawlIsCrashing? Just had to find the best line to quote, yes.
19:01:45 <PleasingFungus> ty for the "pointer" :)
19:02:23 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: No, fixing the shaft recall crash bug.
19:02:32 <PleasingFungus> o
19:02:40 <PleasingFungus> well, hopefully
19:02:48 <PleasingFungus> I wouldn't be surprised if there are more bugs lurking
19:02:54 <PleasingFungus> it's a very sensitive bit of code
19:03:30 <gammafunk> a sensitive bit of code in crawl?!
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19:04:39 <reaverb> Well I'm pretty sure crashing as soon as a error is noticed is a good thing.
19:04:49 <reaverb> Unless it's someting like a pacemaker.
19:04:56 <Grunt> %git HEAD^{/crash frog}
19:04:58 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-2377-g92d52c9: Make crash frogs blink frogs again. 10(2 years ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=92d52c9cc9ef
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19:05:04 <PleasingFungus> oh
19:05:09 <PleasingFungus> remember when I did that?
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19:10:31 <reaverb> Pleasingfungus: did what?
19:10:39 <PleasingFungus> made blink frogs into crash frogs
19:10:48 <reaverb> Oh, that happened twice?
19:11:10 <reaverb> Ah, it's a joke.
19:11:20 <Grunt> imo "Dam: 20 (segfault)"
19:11:23 <reaverb> I thought some sort of problem had changed the name.
19:11:36 <reaverb> but it's just they would crash whenever they tried to blink.
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19:16:16 <Cheibriados> 03infiniplex02 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1661-g36fafe2: Update layout_regular_city and add to Lair 10(26 hours ago, 1 file, 54+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=36fafe252f2f
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19:21:13 <gammafunk> Fun fact: there are 8.87 orbs of fire generated on average on zot:5
19:21:24 <Cheibriados> New branch created: objstat (2 commits)
19:21:25 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[objstat] * 0.15-a0-1662-gd89e588: Item and monster generation statistics 10(8 days ago, 14 files, 1181+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d89e58886403
19:21:25 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[objstat] * 0.15-a0-1663-g233620b: Add a command-line option for the number of stat gen iterations 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 32+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=233620bf7278
19:21:27 <Cheibriados> No rule to make mon-stuff.h as needed by abyss.o 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8729 by xbon
19:21:27 <PleasingFungus> huh
19:21:30 <PleasingFungus> that's higher than I'd expect
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19:23:12 <PleasingFungus> huh
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19:23:58 <reaverb> Yes 8.87 seems really high.
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19:24:25 <PleasingFungus> hm
19:24:26 <Cheibriados> Geryon (03&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 300 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 35(reach) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4427 | Sp: sum.hell beast | Sz: Giant | Int: normal.

19:24:26 <PleasingFungus> %??geryon
19:24:30 <gammafunk> seems right to me
19:24:37 <gammafunk> where do you get that it seems really high
19:24:37 <PleasingFungus> huh, I had no idea his attack was reaching
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19:24:47 <gammafunk> about 4 in each chamber
19:24:58 <gammafunk> and of course some can generate on the level
19:25:07 <PleasingFungus> I would've guessed 2-3 per chamber. idk. maybe I've had lucky zots
19:25:57 <PleasingFungus> mm
19:26:04 <PleasingFungus> !bug 8700
19:26:05 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8700
19:26:08 <reaverb> I would have guessed, like 1-2 per chamber, but I haven't been to Zot in a few months.
19:26:08 <PleasingFungus> does anyone actually like this idea
19:26:19 <reaverb> And I've been there like 3 times total.
19:26:19 <MarvinPA> iirc one of electric golem/killer klown/orb of fire is more common than the other two in each zot:5
19:26:35 <MarvinPA> so it is probably pretty high variance
19:26:52 <reaverb> Pleasingfungus: That depends on what the idea is. I can't tell.
19:26:53 <PleasingFungus> A hellion comes into view. It has magical power(s).
19:26:55 <PleasingFungus> A tormentor comes into view. It has magical power(s).
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19:27:06 <reaverb> Oh that doesn't sound good.
19:27:10 <PleasingFungus> _A war gargoyle comes into view. It is wielding a glowing flail and has special power(s).
19:27:17 <reaverb> And players can do that in their rc file anyway.
19:27:17 <MarvinPA> that is not really a thing that needs to be supported outside of crazy lua rcs, no
19:27:21 <PleasingFungus> ok
19:27:26 <gammafunk> average egolem 4.15, average klowns 4.09
19:27:31 <PleasingFungus> I feel bad - I know you put a lot of work into this, ChangeAj
19:27:34 <gammafunk> so yeah seems oof is the more common one
19:27:41 <PleasingFungus> but I don't think this is something that crawl actually needs
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19:28:16 <MarvinPA> gammafunk: no i mean those three are shuffled every time
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19:28:45 <MarvinPA> but maybe orb of fire still works out as more common than the other two overall
19:28:49 <reaverb> !vault hall_of_zot
19:28:49 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des;hb=HEAD#l2301
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19:29:32 <gammafunk> MarvinPA: yeah, right the shuffle. I'd have to go look at the vault, which is not the most straightforward des
19:29:50 <gammafunk> oh, and I wonder if it's some weird hijinks with door vaults or something
19:30:01 <MarvinPA> 234 are shuffled, and then extra 4s are placed
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19:30:46 <reaverb> 8=8., 8=8.,
19:30:59 <reaverb> I guess I'll fix that.
19:31:09 <PleasingFungus> what's a good rcfile to recommend for people who want this kind of "so-and-so is a spellcaster" functionality? I'd recommend scarletrj, but it seems cruel
19:31:30 <reaverb> There's one with for paralzation.
19:31:36 <reaverb> probably misspelled that.
19:32:15 <reaverb> Hmm, which is perferable:
19:32:20 <ChangeAj> why not set it to off by default I did make it an rc option
19:32:31 <reaverb> SUBST 8=8...
19:32:42 <reaverb> or SUBST 8=8 .:30
19:33:07 <PleasingFungus> There's a cost to maintaining rcfile options, and I really don't think very many people would use this option.
19:33:14 <reaverb> ChangeAj: Really, I can't imagine many people wanting to use that option.
19:33:16 <MarvinPA> it's not really a thing that needs to be an option, yes
19:33:26 <PleasingFungus> ...man, now I feel like I'm dogpiling
19:33:28 <gammafunk> reaverb: probably the former
19:33:37 <reaverb> gammafunk: Thanks.
19:33:47 <ChangeAj> its really handy for newer players the information is there but not displayed readily
19:33:57 <PleasingFungus> It's really not, though.
19:34:05 <PleasingFungus> It tells them, "you should look at the description of this monster".
19:34:08 <PleasingFungus> Which they should do anyway!
19:34:32 <ChangeAj> x-v'ing every monster is kind of tedious yo
19:34:39 <PleasingFungus> this doesn't solve that, thoug
19:34:47 <ChangeAj> it gets closer to it
19:34:50 <PleasingFungus> not really
19:35:16 <PleasingFungus> I think it is a reasonable expectation that, when a new type of monster comes on screen, you should check it out to see what its deal is.
19:35:22 <PleasingFungus> does crawl have too many types of monsters?
19:35:24 <PleasingFungus> maybe!
19:35:39 <PleasingFungus> but that's a different question.
19:37:28 <gammafunk> I think the extra oof are coming from the 8s
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19:37:53 <reaverb> KFEAT:    8 = any trap / w:20 floor
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19:38:01 <reaverb> Is there anywhere that is redefined?
19:38:03 <gammafunk> yes, that's the kfeat
19:38:10 <gammafunk> but 8 is a ood by default
19:38:12 <gammafunk> for monsters
19:38:25 <reaverb> gammafunk: Oh, hmm.
19:38:35 <reaverb> That explains all the noneplaced draconians.
19:39:03 <PleasingFungus> !seen Lightli
19:39:03 <Sequell> I last saw Lightli at Sun Jun 22 23:57:04 2014 UTC (41m 59s ago) saying 'I thought I died to the pan lord with summon greater demon and fire storm' on ##crawl.
19:39:14 <PleasingFungus> !tell Lightli "I saw a moth futter by. I hate that."
19:39:14 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lightli know.
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19:40:09 <Lightli> ah yes, my donald zot quotes
19:40:10 <Sequell> Lightli: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
19:40:23 <Lightli> Ironically the actual moths weren't much of an issue because Upheaval rips them apart easily
19:40:47 <Lightli> (honestly it was just that pan lord and my one abyss trip that were legit dangers; Tr of Qazlal is good)
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19:40:56 <PleasingFungus> hi ontoclasm!
19:40:58 <reaverb> Hmm, maybe make Donald a Draconian so we can justify him appearing in Zot :D
19:41:09 <PleasingFungus> draconians aren't average adventurers, though!
19:41:24 <reaverb> Hmm.
19:41:44 <Cheibriados> 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1662-g02f5c33: Clean up hall_of_Zot .des a tiny bit (gammafunk) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=02f5c33a7275
19:41:45 <PleasingFungus> ...so, clearly, make donald a minotaur berzerker
19:41:45 <PleasingFungus> <_<
19:41:46 <PleasingFungus> >_>
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19:42:23 <reaverb> donald_rogues_gallery
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19:43:00 <Lightli> no
19:43:46 <Lightli> he should clearly just appear in zot like normal and have one of his quotes be "How did I get here anyways? I hate that."
19:44:18 <Lasty> "I fell down some shafts. I hate that."
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19:45:37 <reaverb> Basil: Heh.
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19:46:04 <reaverb> Hmm, would anybody have a problem with removing the Ratsking Cloak as suggested by minmay.
19:46:19 <gammafunk> what's the problem with it?
19:46:25 <gammafunk> ??ratskin_cloak
19:46:25 <Sequell> ratskin cloak[1/1]: +1 unrandart cloak with {rPois rN+ Dex-1 Int-1}.
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19:46:39 <gammafunk> I guess it's kind of boring
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19:46:49 <reaverb> Well theroretically the exact same cloak could generate as a randart.
19:46:49 <PleasingFungus> idk. I don't feel strongly about it
19:46:57 <PleasingFungus> !send reaverb cekugob
19:46:57 <Sequell> Sending cekugob to reaverb.
19:47:01 <reaverb> So we aren't really removing it, we're just making it a bit rarer.
19:47:05 <PleasingFungus> haha
19:47:05 <reaverb> ??cekugob
19:47:06 <Sequell> cekugob[1/1]: the amulet of Cekugob {Ward -Tele rElec rPois rN+ AC+1 EV+1}. Since it's an amulet of warding with an additional rN+, it gives rN++ total.
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19:47:16 <gammafunk> well that's probably true for a few artefacts
19:47:19 <gammafunk> ??wrath_of_trag
19:47:19 <Lightli> yeah
19:47:19 <Sequell> wrath of trag ~ wrath of trog[1/1]: A +3,+11 antimagic battleaxe, makes you go berserk (50% of the time!) when you attack. Not to be confused with {trog wrath}, a far more terrifying phenomenon. Trog won't ever gift it (but Okawaru can). +8 in 0.15.
19:47:20 <eb> of course minqmay finds ratskin cloak boring
19:47:24 <Lightli> a lot of artifacts work that way
19:47:26 <PleasingFungus> I think the ratskin cloak is okay. it's thematic. It's not super exciting, but I've had plenty of characters who would wear it.
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19:47:32 <eb> it has rpois and rN and I think he probably considers both 100% useless
19:47:34 <MarvinPA> it seems fine yes
19:48:01 <Lightli> minqmay also thinks that HE < Dg (which probably is true)
19:48:25 <reaverb> I do wonder how it would go over if somebody suggested the ratskin cloak today, but I guess keeping it is fine too.
19:48:40 <eb> probably nobody would notice
19:49:00 <Lightli> yeah
19:49:05 <eb> I don't think anyone thinks "wow I haven't seen ratskin cloak in 200 games"
19:49:19 <PleasingFungus> tbf, I don't notice "I haven't seen [x unrand] in whenever"
19:49:22 <Lightli> yeah
19:49:24 <PleasingFungus> since they're rare enough that it's hard to keep track
19:49:33 <PleasingFungus> but I guess that's sort of what you're saying
19:49:35 <PleasingFungus> sorry
19:49:35 <Basil> hmm
19:49:36 <reaverb> Heh, should of ninja'd that change in with one of the infiniplex commits.
19:49:42 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: why?
19:49:44 <PleasingFungus> do you dislike ratskin?
19:49:45 <Basil> -5 sid instead of -1
19:49:53 <Basil> And make it cheeseform on unwear
19:49:54 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: That was a joke.
19:49:58 <PleasingFungus> I know
19:50:04 <PleasingFungus> but I assumed the sentiment was genuine
19:50:05 <reaverb> Riffing off the "nobody would notice" bit.
19:50:16 <reaverb> Pleasingfungus: Well I just don't think it needs to exist.
19:50:30 <PleasingFungus> unrands don't need to exist
19:50:32 <PleasingFungus> they're a frippery
19:50:40 <Lightli> any other unrands you want to get rid of?
19:50:42 <PleasingFungus> you could remove art-data.txt, and the game would survive
19:50:59 <PleasingFungus> that doesn't mean that you should!
19:51:00 <Basil> but where would firestarter go
19:51:11 <reaverb> At least things like sword of power do things which are A) Abnormal B) Don't work well in normal generation.
19:51:14 <PleasingFungus> !send dev/null Basil
19:51:14 <Sequell> Sending Basil to dev/null.
19:51:29 <Basil> !singularity PleasingFungus
19:51:30 <Sequell> Basil mumbles some strange words. The singularity violently warps PleasingFungus!
19:51:42 <PleasingFungus> it's neat to have artefacts that are thematic, though, even if they could theoretically be randomly generated.
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19:51:59 <Lightli> so what about the trident of the octopus king, the hat of the alchemist, the sword of the doom knight, etc etc etc
19:52:20 <reaverb> Hmm, best solution of course is to have artefacts whcih are thematic and work well and uniquely mechanically.
19:52:24 <reaverb> Lightli:
19:52:28 <reaverb> %git :/promote
19:52:30 <Cheibriados> 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1355-g3a02dd4: Remove mummy stabbing 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a02dd4f168d
19:52:36 <reaverb> %git :/Promote
19:52:36 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-1650-g99ae1ee: Promote intra-cephalopod monarchy synergy. 10(8 hours ago, 2 files, 37+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=99ae1ee20535
19:52:37 <Lightli> rip mummies
19:52:43 <Lightli> oh
19:52:50 <Lightli> scratch the trident off that list then
19:53:31 <Basil> Wow
19:53:33 <reaverb> Should make the Alchemist Hat let you enter into a potion brewing mini-game.
19:53:34 <Basil> that is a commit
19:53:42 <Basil> reaverb: potion throwing obviously
19:53:49 <reaverb> Basil:  The message or the content?
19:53:58 <PleasingFungus> well, in 99% of games, that's still indistinguishable from nothing
19:54:03 <PleasingFungus> the octotrident change
19:54:07 <reaverb> Yeah.
19:54:09 <Basil> Flavourful
19:54:21 <PleasingFungus> I almost kind of want it to just trigger on 'any rings'
19:54:29 <Basil> mmm
19:54:33 <Basil> macabre buff
19:54:34 <PleasingFungus> so it'd be the trident of the octopode
19:54:51 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: any Artifact rings maybe?
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19:55:08 <PleasingFungus> I don't think the game needs to give more encouragement to use artefacts
19:55:17 <PleasingFungus> idk
19:55:18 <reaverb> hmm.
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19:56:14 <reaverb> Hmm, does the autmun katana really need to be it's own base type or could some other aspect of it be buffed?
19:56:42 <Basil> It's "thing" is that it is a katana
19:56:47 <PleasingFungus> reaverb, nothing in art-data.txt "needs to be". that is the wrong question to ask. please stop asking that question.
19:57:00 <PleasingFungus> ask instead, "does this add more to the game than it takes away?"
19:57:17 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Well yes that's what I mean when I say "needs to be"
19:57:20 <PleasingFungus> for example, "does the autumn katana's unique base type contribute more flavour than it adds in player confusion?"
19:57:30 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: it's a very different question, though!
19:57:49 <Patashu> I don't think people are confused when artifacts don't match up with normal weapons. that's part of the point of them being artifacts.
19:58:10 <reaverb> It's short of "Does this need to exist for foo_thing to have it's positive impact on the game?"
19:58:14 <reaverb> s/of/for/
19:58:22 <PleasingFungus> that is *still* the wrong question!
19:58:57 <reaverb> Well min-delay is already a weird and spoilery so making it more complicated seems bad to me.
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19:59:10 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Yes I guess your version is superior.
19:59:12 <Basil> It follows the same formula as other weapons
19:59:16 <MarvinPA> what on earth
19:59:18 <Basil> ??autumn katana
19:59:18 <Sequell> autumn katana[1/1]: A +8,+8 vorpal katana {clarity} that didn't get the news about katana removal. Dam 14 Acc +3 Delay 12.
19:59:26 <Basil> 12/2=6
19:59:35 <reaverb> Hmm.
20:00:03 <Basil> And if you change "the last katana"'s base stats to not-katana
20:00:13 <Basil> you're removed autumn katana and added another unrand
20:00:31 <Basil> Not necessarily good or bad
20:01:01 <PleasingFungus> fwiw, the min-delay is actually listed in the autumn katana's description, as with every weapon.
20:01:03 <PleasingFungus> in-game.
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20:12:09 <Cheibriados> Monster trolls do not chop heads off of hydras 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8730 by brendan
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20:13:37 <gammafunk> fr: monster trolls also eat hydra corpses since they gut hungry like player trolls
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20:15:43 <Basil> hmm
20:15:50 <Basil> We need a fire troll
20:16:01 <Basil> for that hydra farming vault
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20:23:13 <PleasingFungus> haha
20:23:20 <PleasingFungus> I literally just got the joke of that vault
20:24:07 <tabstorm_> was trogs acquirement changed to give less needles?
20:24:16 <tabstorm_> he shits tomahawks at me but no needles
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20:29:23 <Lasty> . . . that's what that vault is supposed to be?
20:32:28 <Cheibriados> 03mursu02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.15-a0-1663-g8a1d77a: Dowan's updated spellbook after her sister's death is now shown in description. Fixes #8401. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a1d77a4bc11
20:32:28 <Cheibriados> 03mursu02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.15-a0-1664-g9a6eb53: Upgrade Duvessa or Dowan even when the other twin dies out of sight. Fixes #7211. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a6eb5300318
20:32:28 <Cheibriados> 03mursu02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.15-a0-1665-g22f47d3: Duvessa and Dowan cleanup. 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 45+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=22f47d3353ec
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20:35:04 <reaverb> Hmm, where is this "hydra farming" vault.
20:35:14 <reaverb> !vault hydra_farm
20:35:15 <Sequell> Couldn't find hydra_farm in the Crawl source tree
20:35:18 <reaverb> !vault farm
20:35:19 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/spider.des;hb=HEAD#l894
20:35:24 * Lightli forgot what happened to his zot quotes
20:35:37 <Lightli> did I even put them on mantis?
20:35:38 <reaverb> Lightli: you put them on mantis at least.
20:35:40 <Lightli> oh
20:35:49 <Lightli> mental note: check mantis sometimes
20:37:08 <Basil> !vault hangedman_ranch
20:37:09 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/food.des;hb=HEAD#l222
20:38:41 <reaverb> Basil: Thanks.
20:39:02 <Basil> no problem
20:44:03 <gammafunk> hrm, I'm trying to think how to split up these stats
20:44:13 <gammafunk> since if you generate a whole dungeon the file is.....big
20:44:23 <gammafunk> I think maybe one file per branch
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21:44:57 <Cheibriados> 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1666-gc5dd932: Simplify mon-pick-data.h weights 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 234+ 234-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5dd9327bb8f
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21:50:06 <PleasingFungus> Lightli: Yeah, I did look through the quotes. Some of them are okay.
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22:05:22 <Lightli> horray I guess
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22:08:39 <PleasingFungus> would it make you happy if I merged them
22:09:26 <PleasingFungus> I suppose it's harmless
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22:17:46 <gammafunk> oh, we're not making donald quotes terrible are we
22:18:32 <reaverb> gammafunk: Lightli's quotes for Zot.
22:18:42 <gammafunk> oh, Donald in zot
22:18:43 <reaverb> donald has none there because he does not spawn there.
22:19:08 <reaverb> I suppose it's good for Yred worshipper who enslave his soul.
22:19:16 <reaverb> after all Temple has lines.
22:19:27 <gammafunk> a yred worshiper who enslaves donald
22:19:31 <gammafunk> and then even takes it to zot
22:19:32 <PleasingFungus> not really a big deal one way or another
22:20:21 <PleasingFungus> hm
22:20:33 <PleasingFungus> I just got a "no god donald" line while worshipping zin
22:20:42 <PleasingFungus> Donald says, "Did you miss the Ecumenical Temple?"
22:20:43 <PleasingFungus> Donald says, "I hate stupid dietary laws! If I wanna eat a cow, I'll eat a cow!"
22:20:50 <PleasingFungus> that seems like a bug
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22:22:12 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: is that "did you miss" line just a subtle dig @ Zin?
22:22:17 <PleasingFungus> nope
22:22:19 <PleasingFungus> sadly
22:22:26 <PleasingFungus> unless there's a funny special case in here somewhere
22:22:58 <reaverb> Would be better to buff Zin instead of mocking him <_<
22:23:09 <reaverb> or remove him >_>
22:23:10 <PleasingFungus> well I mean
22:23:12 <PleasingFungus> he was buffed
22:23:14 <PleasingFungus> he's really good now
22:23:24 <PleasingFungus> most of the zin mockery is for historical reasons
22:23:28 <reaverb> Hmm.
22:23:38 <reaverb> What did Zin do before their buff?
22:24:04 <PleasingFungus> 'not much'
22:24:10 <PleasingFungus> well
22:24:21 <PleasingFungus> if I were grunt, I could find that excellent tv of the v:5 recite
22:25:29 <PleasingFungus> recite used to have a chance of backfiring
22:25:29 <PleasingFungus> hilariously
22:26:26 <PleasingFungus> Donald says, "Don't you get lonely without a god?"
22:26:30 <PleasingFungus> yeah this is bugged
22:28:44 <PleasingFungus> yo, gammafunk, any idea how to turn on DEBUG_MONSPEAK?
22:28:52 <PleasingFungus> FULLDEBUG doesn't seem to do it.
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22:30:47 <PleasingFungus> hahaha none of this code even works
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22:35:55 <reaverb> recite backfiring is....wow..
22:36:36 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: the guy recited at the vaults:5 ambush, and every guard but one went berzerk
22:36:45 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: Ha.
22:37:04 <PleasingFungus> then he went upstairs and got beaten to death by a single berzerking vault guard
22:37:07 <PleasingFungus> so, comedy all around
22:37:15 <PleasingFungus> donald was there too, iirc!
22:45:47 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1667-g0d434d8: Add Zot lines for Donald (Lightli) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 46+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d434d8aa6ce
22:45:47 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1668-g49c5cce: Re-enable, and fix, DEBUG_MONSPEAK 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49c5cce947c7
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23:00:01 <PleasingFungus> yo, MarvinPA, gonna guess you're not a fan of 8184? (in the category of "outsmarting the player")?
23:00:49 <MarvinPA> correct, but i think it was already merged in some form anyway?
23:01:00 <PleasingFungus> hm
23:01:13 <PleasingFungus> well, since you seem to know what's going on there, I guess you should close the ticket?
23:02:18 <MarvinPA> the behaviour it describes definitely happens by default now
23:02:27 <PleasingFungus> huh
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23:03:21 <MarvinPA> (but the option to disable it and the other similar jewellery stuff exists now)
23:04:00 <Basil> "disable" as in default to off or wholly remove it
23:04:23 <MarvinPA> %git 61c80455b
23:04:25 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-1396-g61c8045: Add an option for more consistent prompt behaviour when changing jewellery 10(2 weeks ago, 7 files, 134+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61c80455bf9c
23:06:18 <PleasingFungus> huh, didn't realize terpischore was a player submission
23:07:16 <MarvinPA> as a bonus that option also lets you put rings on specific tentacles as an octopode in case you happen to want them to merge when you cast ice form, v. useful
23:07:56 <MarvinPA> i guess technically it enables behaviour that's not otherwise possible, if you're an octopode transmuter that's only found one ring and wants to wear it normally but have it meld in ice form
23:08:06 <Basil> The devs think of everything
23:08:11 <PleasingFungus> dang....
23:08:27 <PleasingFungus> haha, kb was complaining about string prop names three years ago
23:08:32 <PleasingFungus> apparently they were even worse then!
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23:11:24 <Lightli> ??c-r-d
23:11:24 <Sequell> c-r-d[1/2]: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.games.roguelike.crawl.devel
23:11:47 <reaverb> Pleasingfungus: thanks for tracking down old mantis issues to close.
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23:11:52 <PleasingFungus> np
23:12:02 <PleasingFungus> there are more that probably should be closed but idk
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23:12:15 <reaverb> almost certainly.
23:16:17 <Cheibriados> 03reaverb02 07[smithgod_rebased] * 0.15-a0-1690-g093be4c: Merge branch 'master' into smithgod_rebased 10(6 minutes ago,  files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=093be4c4a74c
23:17:23 <gammafunk> reaverb: not going to let igni die, are you?
23:17:42 <reaverb> !learn e reaverb[$] s/$/ Remove gold costs from abilities/
23:17:42 <Sequell> Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/<search>/<repl>/
23:17:48 <reaverb> !learn e reaverb[5] s/$/ Remove gold costs from abilities/
23:17:48 <Sequell> reaverb[5/5]: Mantis issue #8685 Remove gold costs from abilities
23:18:06 <reaverb> gammafunk: dpeg says he's working on a design with drachereborn.
23:18:38 <reaverb> !learn e reaverb[5] s/abilities/abilities in the smithgod_rebased branch/
23:18:38 <Sequell> reaverb[5/5]: Mantis issue #8685 Remove gold costs from abilities in the smithgod_rebased branch
23:18:56 <reaverb> !learn e reaverb[5] s/5/5 |
23:18:57 <Sequell> reaverb[5/5]: Mantis issue #8685 | Remove gold costs from abilities in the smithgod_rebased branch
23:19:43 <reaverb> gammafunk: In anycase, if that doesn't work, I think I've mentioned my idea to try to scalvage some individual parts of the design for a misc evocabled or something.
23:19:45 <ontoclasm> hiya
23:20:04 <reaverb> Hello ontoclasm!
23:20:11 <gammafunk> well, as long as someone is working on it.
23:20:12 <ontoclasm> how's it going
23:23:03 <reaverb> I don't think we've had any epic_bugs lately.
23:23:20 <ontoclasm> ??epic_bugs[$]
23:23:21 <Sequell> epic bugs[17/17]: !log PleasingFungus kobe won 1
23:23:48 <PleasingFungus> oh, ontoclasm
23:23:53 <PleasingFungus> two things
23:23:59 <PleasingFungus> (1) did you see roctavian's cool spiders
23:24:09 <ontoclasm> yeah
23:24:13 <PleasingFungus> cool
23:25:20 <PleasingFungus> (2) I went through and checked, and there are two non-demons who can wield weapons but whose tiles aren't set up to show them (vampire mage & gmummy)
23:25:27 <PleasingFungus> so... I guess someone should do something about that
23:25:29 <PleasingFungus> idk
23:25:36 <ontoclasm> only two>
23:25:42 <ontoclasm> i figured it was like... dozens
23:25:50 <PleasingFungus> there used to be a lot more!
23:25:54 <ontoclasm> v.mages really need a new tile anyhow
23:26:03 <PleasingFungus> but now ogre magi show 'em, orc wizards and priests...
23:26:14 <ontoclasm> and i think i'm going to sort of... merge the old and new mummies
23:26:37 <ontoclasm> and in the process i'll remember to change this hopefully
23:26:45 <PleasingFungus> neat!
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23:28:57 <reaverb> ontoclasm: Just remember to change the self restorations tile <_< >_>
23:29:29 <PleasingFungus> the what
23:30:16 <reaverb> The self restoration ability tile.
23:30:30 <PleasingFungus> ah. I thought he was talking about changing monster mummies
23:30:49 <reaverb> Yes, but the self-restoration ability tile has a monster mummy on it.
23:31:24 <reaverb> (I made the current one by combining 2-3 other tiles together because nobody noticed this during the last mummy tile revamp)
23:35:52 <PleasingFungus> huh. turning plants invisible disables autopickup, and amuses xom. there are explicit checks to prevent both.
23:36:08 <reaverb> Ha.
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23:50:18 <reaverb> !vault
23:50:18 <Sequell> Syntax is '<file>[:<start_line>[-<end_line>]]', or the name of a function/#define/vault
23:50:21 <reaverb> err,
23:50:25 <reaverb> !vault lemuel_flamethrower_hall
23:50:26 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des;hb=HEAD#l3556
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23:50:59 <reaverb> It is just me or can that vault place 9 | on D:9 ?
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23:55:50 <reaverb> gammafunk: Is it just me or can this place 9 |
23:55:55 <reaverb> !vault lemuel_flamethrower_hall
23:55:55 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des;hb=HEAD#l3556
23:55:57 <reaverb> ?
23:55:58 <PleasingFungus> it looks like it, yes
23:57:33 <PleasingFungus> huh. and there it goes. that's |, alright
23:57:43 <PleasingFungus> might wanna be an nsubst
23:57:58 <reaverb> PleasingFungus: With the walls? Probably not.
23:58:09 <PleasingFungus> ...?
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23:58:34 <reaverb> There are walls which case be substituted for that area.
23:58:56 <PleasingFungus> ha
23:58:57 <PleasingFungus> cruel
23:59:06 <reaverb> or empty space.
23:59:14 <reaverb> It's a very high variance vault.
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23:59:35 <reaverb> Also I can spawn on D:9 <_<
23:59:56 <PleasingFungus> well, if you wanted to limit the top-end, you could do a weighted subst to walls or empty floor, and then an nsubst for loot