00:04:27 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:02 question 00:05:09 is there a chance of the abyss ever being removed 00:05:15 im sure the answer is no 00:05:58 no 00:06:06 however banishment mechanics may change 00:08:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1573-g47cdaed (34) 00:11:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:57 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:15:08 may i suggest 00:15:16 1. you are banished for a finite number of turns 00:15:28 2. make the rune easier to find 00:15:38 it takes forever to find and recognize the vaults 00:15:54 I thought about finite banishtime 00:16:04 the problem is, that encourages hiding in a corner 00:16:07 which is boring and lame 00:16:14 the abyss should just let you get out if you stomp it enough imo 00:16:15 well 00:16:28 do people find the abyss fun? 00:16:31 <- 00:16:35 i.e. after a certain amount of exp earned in the abyss you get a free portal + message about the abyss allowing you to leave 00:16:37 for (2), I would like to make down-stairs show up more often 00:16:46 eb: plausible 00:16:58 why not let peopel hide in the corner who dont want to sit and explore the dang thing 00:17:04 because that's terrible and boring 00:17:05 abyss is supposed to kill you 00:17:15 it never happens above like XL15 00:17:25 its just SIGH i have to explore this shitty branch 00:17:26 the big problem with it is chars that are not threatened ending up there and just taking long to leave 00:17:26 "hm, yes, I would prefer that the game encourage me to hit 5 a lot rather than explore and encounter tactically interesting situations" <- a real thing that people say 00:17:27 because of RNG 00:17:33 eb: yes! 00:17:38 so, more down stairs 00:17:41 and maybe your thing 00:18:08 i dont even want tactical interest in the abyss i want to get the fuck on with the game 00:18:19 instead of encountering endless dracoomega creations 00:18:21 diagnosis: you're turning into crate 00:18:40 eb: is there a cure? 00:18:45 I don't think so 00:18:52 fucked up if true...... 00:18:53 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1573-g47cdaed (34) 00:18:58 theres enough interest in the rest of the game for me man 00:19:02 i cant handle the extra interest 00:19:14 imho the problem to "people find a branch boring" should not be "let them hit 5 a bunch to ignore it" 00:19:17 *the solution 00:19:31 im not bored by it 00:19:41 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:19:55 i dont like that it takes a long time, im not in danger, and it interferes with me playing the rest of the game b sending infuriating enemies at me 00:20:23 that paralyze, constantly move around so i cant hit them, smite target mutations, etc. 00:21:06 temp mutations! 00:21:10 and then when i want the rune 00:21:16 i just wander around aimlessly 00:21:20 and hope i recognize a rune vault 00:21:22 that isnt a fake one 00:21:27 since i havent memorized the abyss rune vaults yet 00:21:39 man the eye vault 00:21:40 I keep getting the one that has a bunch of ettins 00:21:41 i was so mad 00:21:43 when i did that one 00:21:45 make it so that abyssing is temporary but only by experience 00:21:45 and found no rune 00:21:54 you see the abyss used to be a lot more about killing players than annoying them 00:21:57 ChangeAj: yeah eb was suggesting that 00:22:03 howd it kill you? 00:22:03 oh I skipped some 00:22:05 but then high level chars had it easy 00:22:11 more fiend density on A:!? 00:22:13 !lg * abyss cv=0.14 00:22:14 2150. Dragynrain the Skirmisher (L4 DsAK of Lugonu), mangled by a sun demon on Abyss:1 on 2014-06-18 03:26:51, with 94 points after 139 turns and 0:07:27. 00:22:15 A:1 rather 00:22:23 !lg * abyss cv=0.11 00:22:24 4479. twelwe the Skirmisher (L1 HuAK of Lugonu), quit the game in the Abyss on 2014-04-23 05:09:34, with 20 points after 0 turns and 0:00:37. 00:22:28 !lg * abyss cv=0.11 !boring 00:22:29 4360. firemonkey the Skirmisher (L6 MuCK of Xom), slain by a skeletal warrior (a +2,+0 trident) in the Abyss on 2014-04-06 20:12:47, with 521 points after 9722 turns and 0:12:23. 00:22:32 !lg * abyss cv=0.14 !boring 00:22:33 2080. Dragynrain the Skirmisher (L4 DsAK of Lugonu), mangled by a sun demon on Abyss:1 on 2014-06-18 03:26:51, with 94 points after 139 turns and 0:07:27. 00:22:37 so high level characters that trivialize the abyss have it easy 00:22:46 !lg . abyss 00:22:47 3. tabstorm the Spry (L14 GhMo of Okawaru), quit the game on Abyss:1 on 2014-01-23 22:44:45, with 59156 points after 20843 turns and 1:35:06. 00:22:49 yes this is what I just suggested 00:22:52 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:52 ok 00:22:54 (also have been suggesting for years) 00:22:57 yep i was so mad i quit 00:23:06 what counterarguments have people suggested? 00:23:14 I think they just didn't listen 00:23:17 o 00:23:19 tragic 00:23:36 notice I don't really think there is anything wrong with abyss 00:24:07 abyss was ok the couple of times I willingly went there but I guess thats pretty random too 00:24:28 I think people are more annoyed by when it is "ok", since that makes the trip pointless 00:24:42 i.e. the only thing you have to lose is time, turns, and maybe sanity 00:25:03 which is why I find tabstorm's xl 14 quit puzzing btw 00:25:07 *puzzling 00:25:15 that game was a long time ago 00:25:16 eb: crate syndrome 00:25:20 since that char could reasonably have died before getting out 00:25:21 i mightve been almost dead 00:25:24 i dont remember 00:25:35 crate syndrome is more like 00:25:44 !lg . ghmo abyss:1 -tv 00:25:44 the char would never be at risk but he'd quit anyway 00:25:45 1. tabstorm, XL14 GhMo, T:20843 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 00:25:55 eb: sorry, I'm trying to find a particular game of mine 00:25:58 this replay will be over in a sec 00:26:17 na i like most of the game i only hate 00:26:20 abyss, and crypt.tomb 00:26:29 ugh, this isn't it 00:26:30 because of the dracoomega enemies and the resting 00:26:33 tabstorm: you like pan? 00:26:37 ya 00:26:39 i have fun in pan 00:26:45 I don't understand how someone can like pan and hate abyss 00:26:46 pans just extended dungeon almost 00:26:48 or just how they can like pan 00:26:49 really 00:26:53 because 00:26:56 it has fixed terrain 00:26:58 no paralyzers 00:27:05 smite targetted mutaters 00:27:07 !send tabstorm chaos saints 00:27:08 Sending chaos saints to tabstorm. 00:27:08 things that blink away from you 00:27:17 none of those things are true 00:27:20 well 00:27:23 except the smite mut thing 00:27:26 but abyss doesn't have those either 00:27:31 the terrain dosnet change 00:27:32 on me 00:27:39 and i can quickly get to 00:27:41 the floors i want to do 00:27:48 by going through the first portal i see 00:27:51 until i reach the lord floors 00:27:58 I remember I ended up spending about 10k turns once looking for runes in pan 00:28:00 didn't find one 00:28:02 that was fun 00:28:05 by which I mean fuck pan 00:28:07 my one pan on this account was 00:28:08 imo that replay was abyss doing its job just fine 00:28:10 2.4k for pan 00:28:18 shit i missed my replay 00:28:19 what happened 00:28:22 was i about to die? 00:28:25 yep 00:28:26 ah 00:28:28 figured 00:28:30 you were brainless at 6 hp in front of a bunch of stuff 00:28:32 well, i wasnt as good a player then 00:28:33 ye 00:28:39 its bad for undead 00:28:46 in abyss because wretched stars are anti-undead bombs 00:28:50 one of the stuff was a tormentor 00:28:58 so would probably be worse for not undead 00:29:05 yea 00:29:10 iirc in that replay 00:29:12 huh, wretched stars probably should interact differently with undead 00:29:14 hadn't thought of that 00:29:16 i attacked erolcha because i felt like it 00:29:24 thats how i got abyssed 00:29:30 yess this is the replay 00:29:32 finally 00:29:47 hell is fun too because 00:29:50 it pushes you onward 00:30:04 hmmmmm 00:30:05 what if 00:30:18 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:30:18 abyss walls had a higher chance to disappearing the closer to you they are 00:30:31 so you can't 5 in a corner, and you also don't get trapped as often when moving 00:30:39 ya getting boxed in sucks 00:30:42 *chance of 00:30:55 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:31:01 could. I have no strong feelings about the idea 00:31:33 can you make 00:31:36 the rune more common 00:31:42 or easier to identify 00:31:45 the rune vaults 00:31:59 didn't they make it so pan had greater chance of spawning unique things early or was it just exits after you had 5 runes 00:32:04 or, why notj ust make abyss like pan and have it be fixed floors that change every time 00:32:08 you enter 00:32:10 no 00:32:13 never plz 00:32:16 so that you dont just aimlessly wander 00:32:23 uggggh 00:32:33 I'm pretty sure you are suppose to just wander around the abyss 00:33:33 meh whatever 00:33:49 im still just residually mad over splatting a char that had a good chance to get the Dg species score 00:34:00 rip 00:34:05 so dont take any complaints on crypt too seriously 00:34:06 except 00:34:07 lost souls 00:34:09 fuck those 00:34:38 and death knights are kinda annoying because it encourages you do just run until the damage mirror leaves 00:34:56 same with unborns 00:36:26 tabstorm: have you seen the zig unborn splat 00:36:32 no 00:36:35 but 00:36:40 i can conceive of it 00:36:49 very poorly targeted ice storms 00:37:08 also curse skulls forgot about those 00:37:39 revenants are kinda annoying also but not really bad 00:37:59 i just am easily annoyed by dracoomega monsters apparently. 00:38:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:22 were you around during the forest days 00:38:29 I tried it in 0.13 00:38:32 pretty unfun 00:38:43 it was so boring 00:38:47 im not a huge fan of spriggans but at least they hold still 00:38:55 and dont take a lot more tab presses than anything else 00:39:04 !send tabstorm spriggan defenders 00:39:05 Sending spriggan defenders to tabstorm. 00:39:12 in U 00:39:54 but all of those combined was not an enjoyable experience 00:40:36 remember apises 00:40:38 and 00:40:39 spectral 00:40:42 wolves 00:40:54 yep 00:40:55 spectral wolves were the worst enemy design that I have ever seen. 00:40:56 bad times indeed 00:40:58 my god, my god. 00:41:13 didnt that guy quit tho 00:41:15 or no 00:41:23 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:41:29 he and hangedman retired after 0.14 00:41:40 hooray! 00:41:48 which I think is a pity but apparently there was some behind-the-scenes drama? I don't know much about it but I also really don't want to know 00:42:04 i dont know i just cant stand those dang monsters he makes 00:42:33 well he started making them because 00:42:45 there were a lot of (justified) complaints about how everything was yaks 00:42:48 for like years 00:42:51 i mean 00:42:54 theres a line between yaks 00:42:57 and curse skulls 00:43:12 or i should say, there's a big difference between 00:43:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:43:26 ohhhhh 00:43:29 still no cause to be happy a great dev was chased off :( 00:43:36 there's a line, and it's turned 90° 00:43:36 so that's what's with the old starcursed mass entry 00:43:40 ? 00:43:45 eb: now everything is antiyaks? 00:43:54 well you see 00:44:01 I'm playing crawl since like 2006 or so 00:44:14 nobody is going to convince me current crawl is bad in any way 00:44:45 I may play the part, but I do that for kicks 00:44:46 tell me your favourite thing about 2006 crawl 00:44:53 i mean 00:44:55 it has some problems 00:44:57 throw frost creating freezing clouds over water 00:44:58 easy 00:45:00 but overall its still enjoyable 00:45:03 haha 00:45:11 sounds Quite Strong 00:45:13 except crypt tomb and abyss 00:45:17 which u dont need to do 00:45:27 crypt is getting closer to okay 00:45:27 hydra-15 was probably my favourite thing in nostalgia, unsure I'd want it to be in main crawl again 00:45:29 -!- MarkFuKenni has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:45:39 really old swamp was a rollercoaster of emotions 00:45:45 we just need to add mummies riding scarabs and liches riding bone dragons 00:45:49 then crypt will be great 00:45:50 and the xp curve could be 00:45:53 a bit different 00:46:02 i think your dude is a bit too strong in vaults and U 00:46:17 more U 00:46:53 yes depths should have a 6th floor, and D a 16th 00:47:04 i think my favourite feature from 2006 crawl is intelligence affecting your ability to block with a shield 00:47:11 minmay: incredible 00:47:12 thats like the opposite of what im saying man 00:47:12 er, misinterpreted "more u" there 00:47:19 wait wasn't that a tso feature 00:47:21 yea 00:47:24 it didnt affect your SH in any way 00:47:26 lair branches are ok 00:47:31 but it made the block roll more likely to succeed 00:47:37 i think you just get a lil too strong in them 00:47:39 I remember seeing that referenced in the commit that changed sh to the current system 00:47:46 so you would never realize it existed 00:48:02 I love dumb systems like that 00:48:02 but most players still struggle with vaults and dpeths 00:48:05 so it is a minor quibble 00:53:58 player ghost appears without "... comes into view" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 by rchandra 00:55:01 -!- zercules has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:07:38 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:14 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1574-g5fb45b4: Brace. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fb45b412a5a 01:09:45 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Use !messages to read them. 07:05:43 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:04 !messages 07:07:04 (1/2) reaverb said (1d 14h 21m 44s ago): I've merged master into smithgod_rebased. Igni is just being further left behind by Trunk. (See the change to enchant weapon scrolls). 07:07:59 Yeah trunk is moving at the speed of light lately. 07:08:20 Crawl is ready for take off! 07:09:01 OFFBLAST 07:11:04 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11:42 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:12:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:04 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16:33 !tell reaverb Yes, I noted. It's alright -- I am discussing equipgod with Kerwin, there'll definitely something come out of this. 07:16:34 dpeg: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 07:16:36 !messages 07:16:37 (1/1) reaverb said (1d 14h 31m 13s ago): Do you have any immediate plans to move the god forward? Otherwise I think it might be best to talk about taking bits and pieces of the god rather than the whole thing. (Example: moving Igni's abilities to new misc evocables for Trunk) 07:17:17 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:17:55 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:19:48 clearly the god should just raise the maximum enchantments of items by the piety stars and add random2(pietybreakpoint/2) to the effect of the enchant scrolls 07:20:14 ~clearly~ 07:22:01 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:25 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:25 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:31 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28:34 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:46 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:52 -!- marisa_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:43:08 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:23 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: negatendo] 07:46:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:58 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:34 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:01:16 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:01:44 !messages 08:01:45 No messages for Lasty. 08:04:37 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:41 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:10:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:14:47 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:16:54 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:45 Tiles: Blue Roxanne Unique looks too much like an Ice Statue 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8704 by XuaXua 08:22:58 <|amethyst> hm 08:23:28 <|amethyst> And now no one can make money off their crawl server 08:24:09 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 08:26:36 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:08 <|amethyst> s/crawl/webtiles/ 08:32:21 Oh no, my dreams of wealth! 08:33:21 "For the record the green background was chosen for contrast with the red color of the Eye of draining - green/red being complementary colors" 08:33:36 hello i see you are using theory to rule over practice 08:34:20 in practice a single, solid bright color dithered like that looks like fuck whether you like it or not 08:35:27 peileppe just got Bloaxed. 08:38:17 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 08:43:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:06 more importantly, eyes of draining are lightgrey anyway 08:45:08 at least the original ones looks better than the weird purple aura thing one he posted later 08:45:12 s/ones/one 08:45:47 !tell pleasingfungus don't worry, hangedman retires from crawl permanently every so often 08:45:47 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:46:39 not that it's easy to argue with what he says about the problems with crawl development :/ 08:47:26 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 08:47:49 There are problems with crawl development? 08:50:45 <|amethyst> wheals: pretty sure they're red in tiles, which is where people are most likely to see this splash screen :) 08:52:03 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:26 http://crawl.chaosforge.org/images/6/67/Eye_of_draining.png 08:55:03 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:35 <|amethyst> FR: ASCII art splash screens 08:57:05 wheals, which problems does hangedman say? 08:57:41 |amethyst: We could use a jpg->ascii converter on the existing art 08:57:59 though it'd probably be too tall :p 08:59:54 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05:50 <|amethyst> Lasty: I mean *real* ascii art 09:05:59 <|amethyst> or unicode anyway 09:17:08 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:17:16 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:17:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:19 So jpg->ascii converter on The Last Supper? 09:19:22 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:19:29 you snob 09:29:03 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:38:30 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:35 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:40:12 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:41:35 hm 09:41:54 !learn edit gitorious_admins s/$/, Grunt/ 09:41:54 gitorious admins[1/1]: dpeg, jpeg, due, galehar, Keskitalo, kilobyte, Grunt 09:44:03 ..nasty thought: AF 09:44:07 _CURARE 09:44:18 (perfect for death scarabs) 09:46:31 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:17 Grunt: by the time you're doing tomb, you probably have rPois 09:47:21 * wheals crushes Grunt like the proverbial dwant!!! 09:47:47 er, squahses 09:47:59 An asphyxiating attack like curare that ignores rPois would be way more likely to do something 09:48:08 pff, who needs spelling 09:48:44 i think that the slow from curare is more important generally 09:48:57 though Tomb has slow already i suppose 09:49:40 wheals: rPois blocks the slow 09:49:56 but I agree, that is the more interesting part of that damage 09:50:05 *damage type 09:50:17 how often are you using a breath weapon in tomb, anyway?? 09:50:30 -!- adam_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:12 right, the Breath and actual poison damage are pretty negligible 09:51:38 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:53:55 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:04 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 09:55:08 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: roll on, roll off] 09:57:57 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:59:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:06:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1576-g4c04b3b: Comment and simplify. 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c04b3bc5cbd 10:06:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1577-g42f0a7f: Get rid of a few spurious uses of mons_base_char(). 10(22 minutes ago, 3 files, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42f0a7f0bb1d 10:06:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1578-gaf43692: Add a failure check in Necronomicon gifting (floatingatoll, #8417). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=af43692c9145 10:08:00 -!- inmateoo has quit [Client Quit] 10:08:12 -!- MDvedh has quit [Client Quit] 10:09:35 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:49 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10:03 -!- sativa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10:48 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:29:52 -!- jaumoose has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:30:16 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:33:20 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:33:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:21 ...another random idea: sentinel statues, with stair sealing and Mark and enough longevity to make interesting decisions 10:38:36 Put one near the Tomb:3 stairs and... 10:38:54 monstrous 10:38:54 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:39:48 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:41:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:59 !send PleasingFungus monstrous statue mimics 10:42:59 Sending monstrous statue mimics to PleasingFungus. 10:52:50 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:54:48 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:56:17 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:55 -!- Summit has quit [Client Quit] 11:04:24 -!- fuuu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:07:09 Grunt: hrm, would be tricky to prevent making tomb absurdly difficult with the statue thing, and it might make the ideal strategy be always "kill the statue first" 11:07:28 perhaps the statue only for certain tomb subvaults? 11:07:49 well I guess that'd have to be the case, since it's a stationary enemy 11:08:03 I kind of like having stairlocking be a Vaults Thing 11:08:40 well, I don't know that anything is truly gained by that restriction, aside from arguably theme 11:08:49 but "an ancient trap" is pretty thematic for tomb 11:09:18 a lot of people dislike stair-locking in general, of course 11:09:32 who cares 11:09:51 no you 11:09:56 and your face 11:10:02 I would suggest that restricting yourself to a limited pool of mechanics in each area helps define a consistent mechanical theme & helps players keep track of what's going on, but I think crawl has pretty much already lost that battle 11:10:04 also, rude. 11:10:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:10:12 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:11:02 well, tomb is potentially the last rune you'll obtain in the game, so I think by then we can allow that the player is good enough to account for this, but it's still a question of whether it's a good idea 11:12:09 I think we need to encourage grunt's bad ideas as much as possible 11:12:43 also I kind of just died because I didn't really consider my inventory properly, can we nerf something in response to that 11:13:05 !nerf gammafunk 11:13:05 * Sequell nerfs gammafunk!!! 11:13:10 my entirely unfeasible idea for tomb is still to make the stairs into the ambushes basically be hatches but with fixed destinations 11:13:10 MarvinPA: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:13:11 maybe I need something like that absurd HilariousDeathArtist rc that every uses 11:13:54 but vaults rotating and mirroring makes that difficult and i'm not sure how easy it would be even if the vaults were never rotated/mirrored 11:14:09 crawl needs a linker 11:14:11 clearly 11:14:32 how would you exit the level, up-hatches at a different location? 11:14:52 yes, up-hatches not too far away but far enough away that you have to get past at least some portion of the ambush 11:15:11 that's kind of cute 11:15:20 so on tomb:3 you'd get dropped into the same place with up-hatches near the entrances to the loot chambers, perhaps 11:17:40 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:17:41 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:19:11 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140606030206]] 11:29:21 !learn add grunt we need to encourage grunt's bad ideas as much as possible 11:29:21 grunt[13/13]: we need to encourage grunt's bad ideas as much as possible 11:29:24 new nemelex is still strong and 2 decks seems to work pretty well, incidentally 11:30:24 MarvinPA: btw I'm fairly sure it's possible to do what you describe already; I just haven't figured out the Lua trickery for it yet. 11:30:53 oh hm 11:32:36 if you get a chance to look into it that'd be sweet, not sure it's something i'd be able to figure out (but also i just haven't ever gotten around to trying, so maybe i should do that too) 11:34:50 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:35:37 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:35:54 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:11 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:38:56 bonus: Hatches Tomb-3 would be a buff to No-Backtracking God 11:38:56 I should work on that more at some point 11:44:50 did you mean: the speedrunning god 11:44:55 searching for "the speedrunning god" 11:45:05 show results for "no-backtracking god" instead 11:45:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:46:03 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:26 haha 11:46:31 -!- MgDark has quit [Client Quit] 11:46:45 consensus seemed to be that makhleb remained speed-run god 11:46:58 sif rules over them all 11:48:20 !hs * s=score,god o=score 11:48:29 !lg * s=score,god o=score 11:48:50 oh that query would take a while, wouldn't it 11:49:11 !lg * urune=15 s=score,god o=score 11:49:21 Time limit of 60s exceeded 11:49:26 haha 11:49:29 Time limit of 60s exceeded 11:49:30 4036 games for * (urune=15): 65369553 (Sif Muna), 57282634 (Sif Muna), 55396974 (Cheibriados), 54334266 (Dithmenos), 52436210 (Sif Muna), 52251924 (Cheibriados), 50940363 (Vehumet), 48431635 (Trog), 48318831 (Cheibriados), 48094081 (Cheibriados), 48050858 (Dithmenos), 47965367 (Makhleb), 47803653 (Beogh), 45580760 (The Shining One), 44646023 (Makhleb), 43146117 (Vehumet), 42193307 (Makhleb), 41872... 11:49:43 oh, a new chei win 11:50:36 ....purplered 11:51:08 man, the NaWz is secure, but the no. 2 spot of that DeWz will not sit for long 11:51:47 feeling ambitious? 11:52:01 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52:11 oh, for sure once I get the HE 11:52:20 but I'm still learning/making mistakes 11:52:26 mostly not looking at my damn inventory 11:52:41 what's interesting is that these new runs aren't even doing elf 11:52:55 it's just orc for the shops, then lair 11:53:35 orc->elf used to be a big thing, but to be fair that was really for conj 11:54:28 these melee guys can do baileys and ice caves/volcanos, but I tend to just do labs only, since the payout/turns spent is better 11:54:39 I guess melee guys can really use the weapons/armour they find in those places 11:55:18 so finally, the Gl is dethroned 11:55:38 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:56:02 !lg * --Gl urune=15 s=char,god,name o=score 11:56:03