00:00:13 What would the advantages of that be? 00:00:34 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00:42 1) We don't have weird "mutations" which can't be cured by !curemut 00:01:08 2) We aren't clogging up the mutation functions with handling for those special cases. 00:01:12 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.1-23-g35e4e54 00:01:37 Using mutations for those things is a pretty clear violations of the single responsibility priniple... 00:02:55 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1393-g37b922f (34) 00:03:04 Well about half (?) the races in the game have 'weird "mutations" that can't be !cmut'd'. 00:03:21 intrinsic mutations? 00:03:24 Yes? 00:03:40 Eh, 2) is the important one. 00:03:47 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:08 I think these should probably still stay on A - that seems like the right place. Internal organization is negotiable. 00:04:19 I never said they wouldn't stay on A 00:04:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:25 -!- zercules has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:04:34 Maybe a differant color though. 00:05:10 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:41 LorrdErnie (L1 OgHu) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D (Sprint)) 00:05:49 Hydromatic (L1 DrBe) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D (Sprint)) 00:07:25 Hydromatic (L1 DrBe) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D (Sprint)) 00:09:36 Yunor (L1 DEAE) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2935 failed. (D (Sprint)) 00:09:47 ..... 00:10:08 I had that bug in my latest commit mid-devlopment but I could have sworn I fixed it. 00:10:21 (by which I mean I made a change and it disappeared) 00:10:22 %git 00:10:22 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1393-g37b922f: Refactor _determine_weapon_subtype() a bit 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 36+ 50-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=37b922f22f49 00:10:40 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:10:42 Hydromatic (L1 MiDK) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D (Sprint)) 00:11:02 Hmm, these all appear to be in Sprint, wonder if that's relevant. 00:11:35 Yunor (L1 DEAE) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D (Sprint)) 00:11:40 Oh, it's -1, hmm 00:12:35 Atomikkrab (L1 FeMo) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2935 failed. (D:1) 00:13:08 ??rebuild 00:13:08 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:13:19 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 00:13:31 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14.1-23-g35e4e54 (34) 00:13:48 Atomikkrab (L1 FeMo) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:14:05 Jabberwock (L1 DsWn) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:14:12 Atomikkrab (L1 FeMo) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:14:18 Jabberwock (L1 DsWn) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:14:55 Jabberwock (L1 DsWn) (D:1) 00:15:01 Atomikkrab (L1 FeMo) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:15:06 Jabberwock (L1 DsWn) ASSERT(mitm[p].is_valid()) in 'makeitem.cc' at line 2935 failed. (D:1) 00:15:13 Atomikkrab (L1 FeCK) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:15:27 Atomikkrab (L1 GrFi) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:16:46 Ok, just hoping cszo doesn't act weird on the rebuild again. 00:17:11 gbuchold (L1 HuWz) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:17:20 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1394-g7e13d23: Fix some random_choose() calls to not crash 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e13d23ab01e 00:17:24 gbuchold (L1 HuWz) ASSERT(nargs > 0) in 'random.h' at line 61 failed. (D:1) 00:17:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1394-g7e13d23 (34) 00:18:03 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1394-g7e13d23: Fix some random_choose() calls to not crash 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e13d23ab01e 00:18:25 -!- bones___ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:43 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:14 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:38 -!- myrmidette has left ##crawl-dev 00:28:32 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:35:23 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:45 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:37 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:58 -!- bones___ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:17 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:01 reaverb: I lied 00:41:05 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1395-g07b0eb3: Refactor mutations 10(30 seconds ago, 3 files, 224+ 214-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07b0eb35980d 00:41:08 also sorry for incoming bad function names 00:41:13 probably I should rename some of those 00:41:20 PleasingFungus: lied in what? 00:41:48 Oh, ok, Yes pleasing rename those functions :D 00:42:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1395-g07b0eb3: Refactor mutations 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 224+ 214-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07b0eb35980d 00:42:47 fiiine 00:45:53 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:46:22 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:47:45 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1396-g61c8045: Add an option for more consistent prompt behaviour when changing jewellery 10(3 days ago, 7 files, 134+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61c80455bf9c 00:49:42 step one on the long journey of making the interface not try and outsmart the player... 00:50:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 00:51:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1396-g61c8045: Add an option for more consistent prompt behaviour when changing jewellery 10(3 days ago, 7 files, 134+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61c80455bf9c 00:51:23 step two: make "help" work 00:51:44 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:52:07 there will be no help for you... 00:52:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:52:34 Hmm, would it be better to remove the mutation_def struct defintion to mutat-data.h? 00:52:59 At the very least I would move the description back, so people don't have to go to another file. 00:53:52 the comments should definitely be there, yeah 00:54:21 no 00:54:26 no comments duplicated in two places 00:54:30 that way leads Bad Things 00:54:48 The move the definition. 00:54:48 we had the same problem with the definition for monsterentry 00:54:51 which was defined in two places 00:54:53 differently 00:55:01 having to open up a different file to know what on earth you're looking at also leads to Bad Things 00:55:06 so yes moving the definition sounds good in that case 00:55:09 There's like 2 places mutation_def is used outside mutation.cc 00:55:21 which could probably be easily replicated with wrapper functions. 00:55:46 MarvinPA: you have to have another file open, or you have to keep scrolling back to the top of the file you're editing 00:55:52 tbh the former seems better than the latter! 00:56:00 even if that was the reasoning (which it's not) 00:56:03 Or split the screen. 00:56:19 or read it before continuing to the rest of the fire. 00:56:21 reaverb: yes, in which case there's no difference 00:56:31 or you can just open the file you're working on, look at the definition, and then continue to do the thing you were doing 00:56:52 maybe date the comment if it needs to be duplicated? 00:56:59 this was particularly annoying in eg zap-data.h in the past, but now that's commented at the top so it's no longer annoying! hurrah 00:57:02 ugh 00:57:03 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:57:17 I'd be fine with moving the definition, whatever 00:57:21 but please please don't duplicate comments 00:57:23 because they fall out of sync 00:57:26 and no one updates them 00:57:28 and it's a mess 00:57:36 it is straight up asking for trouble in the worst way 00:58:06 rchandra: we have a mechanism for dating comments. it's called "git" 00:58:46 this is all a false deliema since we can just move the definition. 00:59:18 well, honestly now I kind of want to go to zap-data.h 00:59:27 and clean that up 01:00:24 I'm not gonna go around picking fights but it makes me sad :( 01:00:37 PleasingFungus: Move the defintion for that too :D 01:00:41 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:00:47 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 01:00:53 /me has not looked at the zap code. 01:01:05 * reaverb has not looked at the zap code 01:02:57 Is anybody commiting to changing that bit of the code? I'm in the middle of something else which makes me not want to immediatley work on the mutation_def stuff. 01:03:29 The other places it's used are ouput.cc and tranform.cc, should be easy to move the functions into mutation.cc 01:04:47 working on other stuff right now 01:04:47 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:48 sorry 01:05:19 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:07:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 01:12:05 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:13:03 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:20 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1397-g95bcf00: Remove a questionably named/useful function 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95bcf00d1efe 01:18:05 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1397-g95bcf00: Remove a questionably named/useful function 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95bcf00d1efe 01:19:16 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:21:47 -!- DKR has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:24:47 PleasingFungus: Why are you keeping around all those wrapper functions (like _get_random_slime_mutation()) 01:24:49 ? 01:24:56 reaverb: no real reason 01:26:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1398-g897c189: Remove (an instance of) the first person 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=897c189157c8 01:28:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1398-g897c189: Remove (an instance of) the first person 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=897c189157c8 01:30:40 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:33:51 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:35:04 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:35:17 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:52 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:40:01 -!- Keanan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:40:44 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:41:31 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:42 -!- Mandevil is now known as Mandevil\TS 01:46:16 -!- ayutzia has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:46:58 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:48:21 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:50:25 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:40 -!- ayutzia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:54:40 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:58:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59:44 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:00:37 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:07 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:03:26 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:22 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:37 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:56 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:05:58 -!- st_ has quit [] 02:07:25 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 02:07:41 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:34 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:43 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:09:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:35 Could somebody look at this patch: http://bpaste.net/show/ae5GXNE0TNhOqO7CvtU4/ 02:10:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140606030206]] 02:11:34 I'm not really familar with templates, varaible arguments, etc. and I don't want to break anything like with my player_mutation_level and recent random_choose changes. 02:17:40 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.1-23-g35e4e54 02:18:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:20:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:22 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:32 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 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yet 05:51:26 DBRO seems to use them. 05:51:45 and i've coincidentally lured some people into playing there 05:52:00 oh, ok 05:52:03 personally i really like how the chat remains after a game ends 05:52:55 that's mostly coincidental, but I'll remember to keep it that way then ;) 05:54:02 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Quit: Not that there is anything wrong with that] 05:54:04 -!- elmdor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:54:21 art is a bunch of happy little mistakes 05:58:38 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:58:41 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 06:02:42 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:02:57 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:39 I saw in a tv a bug where if you paralyze an enemy twice with good timing it gets enough energy back at the end to doublehit you 06:03:41 ??paralysis[4] 06:03:42 paralysis[4/4]: For reading this far, have a subtle (until it kills you) paralysis bug: !lg alphaq xl=20 grfi killer=~slime 1 06:03:48 not sure if it's 'by design' or not 06:04:24 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:04:39 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:01 -!- Kramin42 is now known as Kramin 06:10:52 -!- Hamstersaurusmex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:16:11 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Quit: Finnish forwards learn from an early age that the only way to score is to get really lucky, so why bother training] 06:16:26 !tell reaverb re the fruit prop thing, get_item_info has a hardcoded list of props it copies to the item_def that tile picking uses 06:16:27 edlothiol: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 06:19:20 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:19:28 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:24:48 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:26:02 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:39:31 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:20 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:05 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:04:25 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:17:51 <|amethyst> I'm still trying to figure out how to do the migration 07:17:59 <|amethyst> to new webtiles 07:21:39 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:18 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:00 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:05 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: negatendo] 07:32:21 Is there a short summary of the most noticable changes? 07:32:24 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:29 Not that I could be of much help at this point 07:32:42 have to just read the commit log I guess 07:33:27 heh, helpful that the webtiles change commits all begin with "Webtiles" 07:34:19 <|amethyst> git log webtiles-changes 07:34:50 fr: webtiles changes for Dummies 07:40:18 it rebases to trunk pretty cleanly, at least 07:40:23 only one minor conflict 07:44:08 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:29 oh wow, the new lobby 07:46:22 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:34 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:24 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:57:24 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:34 does anyone who uses msysgit know where i'd put my vim settings 08:06:18 ??dbro 08:06:18 dbro[1/2]: The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys) . Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode) Set your terminal size to 80x25 (!) and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set. 08:06:32 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:42 ??dbro[2 08:06:42 dbro[2/2]: Combined gamelog (from all DF games on the server) currently being announced in ##crawl-df 08:09:03 !learn edit dbro[1] s/$/ Also available in webtiles form at http://dev.berotato.org:8081/ 08:09:03 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/REGEX/REPLACE/opts 08:09:09 OOPS 08:11:13 !learn edit dbro[1] s/character set./character set. Also available in webtiles form at http://dev.berotato.org:8081/ 08:11:13 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/REGEX/REPLACE/opts 08:11:31 ;-; 08:11:51 !learn edit dbro[1] s@$@Also available in webtiles form at http://dev.berotato.org:8081@ 08:11:51 ERROR: New text exceeds the maximum length of 350 08:12:01 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:12:44 !learn add dbro Also available in webtiles form at http://dev.berotato.org:8081 08:12:45 dbro[3/3]: Also available in webtiles form at http://dev.berotato.org:8081 08:12:56 guess it'll do 08:13:48 a new webtiles server to troll, excellent 08:14:22 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:14:32 "wow you put points in musicality? learn2play noob" 08:14:40 haha 08:17:03 You play the recorder. Toot! That was not very pleasant. The orc is enraged! The orc goes berserk! 08:18:57 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:15 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:20:36 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:12 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:27:41 |amethyst: anything I can help with? 08:30:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:35:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:14 <|amethyst> edlothiol: Making the new client work with old servers is probably too much to ask for :) 08:41:27 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1399-gffd391d: Combine the frost/flame and freezing/flaming brands. 10(9 minutes ago, 25 files, 84+ 133-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffd391d7850b 08:41:29 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:43:16 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1399-gffd391d: Combine the frost/flame and freezing/flaming brands. 10(11 minutes ago, 25 files, 84+ 133-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffd391d7850b 08:43:32 that would be... complicated 08:44:52 <|amethyst> So I guess step 1 would be to get all the servers to run the new webtiles server, in a different location so that the git update scripts don't overwrite it 08:45:14 <|amethyst> s/git/trunk/ 08:45:22 i suppose that commit message might be confusing 08:45:38 but i wasn't quite sure how to word it to be both concise and not-confusing 08:45:55 -!- DanielKennethReg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:46:17 <|amethyst> wheals: "respectively" is a bit long :) 08:46:39 must respect The Iron 80-Char Rule 08:46:47 or 72-char actually right? 08:47:33 <|amethyst> I think the usual recommendation is 50 for the subject 08:47:38 <|amethyst> we go over that all the time though 08:48:10 <|amethyst> definitely 72 rather than 80, though 08:48:25 <|amethyst> since various things print them with indentation 08:48:40 |amethyst: how hard would it be to decouple the webtiles server/client version (branch) from the crawl binary version? 08:48:58 i.e. install the server separately, not together with crawl trunk 08:49:16 <|amethyst> edlothiol: that would be step 2 :) 08:49:31 <|amethyst> probably not that hard 08:49:43 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:50:01 <|amethyst> would need a new script to update the server 08:50:21 <|amethyst> which would I think literally be just a chunk taken out of the current trunk update script 08:50:28 hm, then I don't understand why step 1 would be necessary 08:50:55 <|amethyst> hm 08:51:02 <|amethyst> Yeah, I guess it's not 08:51:09 <|amethyst> so step 1 would be to update the update scripts 08:51:20 <|amethyst> step 2, get all the servers to use them 08:52:19 <|amethyst> then once everyone is running the new server, it can go into trunk 08:53:17 yes, that's how I was imagining it 08:58:40 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:58:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 08:59:48 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I don't need to build anything for the new server, do I? I mean, I can copy it out of a fresh checkout, other than the config file? 09:00:38 yes 09:01:18 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:01:31 although, the js can be minified 09:04:09 oh, and the title pictures and icon are copied to their location in static/ during build 09:04:27 (both can be done with make webserver) 09:04:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:37 -!- Farcaster has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:11:18 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:57 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:35 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:29:51 hrm, to make webtiles locally for test purposes, should I still be using my debug-lite target with WEBTILES=y 09:30:32 gammafunk: that's what I do (+ webserver target) 09:30:45 ah, I can make both targets, right 09:45:25 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:41 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:46:21 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 09:47:27 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:49 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:49:20 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:51:38 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:01 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:11 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:59:41 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:00:21 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:07 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:04:08 -!- LeStahL has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:05:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:11:02 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:11:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:21 just realized the commit i made last night described "your" as "the first person". need to have a commit hook that stops me from committing after midnight 10:12:39 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1400-g32226d5: Tweak rashasa ac slightly downward 10(76 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32226d5866c6 10:13:24 -!- koil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:13:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1400-g32226d5: Tweak rashasa ac slightly downward 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32226d5866c6 10:14:39 ...and I missed the k 10:21:29 I literally have a perfect commit title record 10:22:28 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:43 literally! 10:22:52 that's remarkable. 10:23:01 mlg pro = major league git pro 10:23:13 we should all chip in and buy you a trophy, to put on your wall. '100% flawless git hero'. 10:23:26 fr: git hero interactive video game 10:23:43 I think that might exist 10:23:46 or maybe I'm thinking of vim hero 10:23:49 Comes with a plastic computer you "play" 10:32:58 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:18 hey PleasingFungus what prompted the rakshasa AC nerf? 10:34:58 Brannock: they're slightly tougher than they ought to be 10:35:34 they didn't need 10 ac/14 ev while also having the 'split into three' ability, etc 10:36:09 -!- bones__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36:51 !tell wheals Vampiric Draining interacts with new spriggan rider in a really silly way. 10:36:51 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:37:09 Brannock: it's not a huge change since it wasn't a huge problem. Just a tweak 10:38:08 yeah I know 10:38:12 I was just curious if there was discussion on it or something 10:38:19 since I didnt' realize rakshasa were considered too tough 10:39:16 they were considered too tough by me 10:39:39 and according to Dev Law, that is enough to make adjustments of up to a combined total of 5 EV, AC, or HD. 10:39:55 Dev Law is very strict. 10:42:44 haha 10:51:26 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140606030206]] 10:52:27 !lg PleasingFungus ikiller=rakshasa 10:52:27 No games for PleasingFungus (ikiller=rakshasa). 10:52:33 excuse me 10:52:44 !lg . ikiller=rakshasa 10:52:45 1. gammafunk the Thaumaturge (L11 HEIE of Sif Muna), slain by a rakshasa (a +0,+0 quarterstaff of freezing) on D:15 on 2013-05-18 00:32:46, with 11659 points after 9880 turns and 1:46:17. 10:52:54 I am more qualified, it seems 10:52:56 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:21 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:55:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:56:17 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:32 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:58:51 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:14 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:59:46 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:00:19 -!- WITCHCRACT has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:01:24 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:04 !tell pleasingfungus Aaaarggghhhhh! 11:02:04 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:02:59 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 11:03:41 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:40 -!- netkitten_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:19 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1401-g37dca88: Finish reuniting giant fireflies with their bumblebee cousins. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=37dca8855d8c 11:09:57 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1401-g37dca88: Finish reuniting giant fireflies with their bumblebee cousins. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=37dca8855d8c 11:11:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:40 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:06 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1121-gdd24ea8: Get rid of plate armour of the Archmagi. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd24ea8036eb 11:15:41 the only thing i can think of in mon-pickup now is improving mercenary starting gear 11:16:23 wheals: Nice, even that might not be necessary. 11:17:43 i guess if you can get loot by drawing the card and nott paying that would be bad 11:18:04 I still sort of like the idea of being able to pay to upgrade merc kit 11:18:26 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1121-gdd24ea8: Get rid of plate armour of the Archmagi. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd24ea8036eb 11:19:59 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:08 wheals: could make them shadow items 11:20:38 make mercs into durable summons? I forget how those interact with abjuration 11:20:54 also how they interact with stairs 11:21:02 doesn't MF_NO_REWARD do that 11:21:17 PleasingFungus: they don't interact with abjuration 11:21:27 unless they're also regular summoned 11:21:29 or i guess it just mean no reward 11:21:38 shockingly 11:21:49 mm 11:21:49 probably i'm thinking of MF_HARD_RESET 11:21:57 wheals: yeah the weird thing with new spriggan riders is that draining them will injure/kill the mosquito mount 11:22:12 Is MF_NO_REWARD what pikel's slaves use? 11:22:15 i guess mixing holiness is weird 11:22:19 yeah 11:22:22 it's not a big deal 11:22:24 just a little silly 11:22:35 PleasingFungus: What about giving them queen bees instead? (like I posted in SA just now) 11:22:38 i feel like the riders are fused into the mounts or something anyway 11:22:46 how else would they stay on during a tornado 11:23:41 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: negatendo] 11:23:58 spriggans have very high dexterity. 11:24:00 posted in SA, wow 11:24:10 solution: make them spriggan riding necromancers 11:24:20 gammafunk: yeah I wouldn't recommend it myself. sa posters are degenerates and wastrels, imho 11:24:28 especially people who start threads in sa 11:24:30 about roguelikes 11:24:31 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 11:24:51 yeah, the kind of people who make mistakes in their commit titles 11:25:09 :( 11:25:11 pls be polite :( 11:25:20 magicpoints: Also, hiding a suggestiong behind a paywall is not a good way to get people to see it... 11:25:40 reaverb: that's where the discussion was! 11:25:42 is 11:25:43 would it be ok for mercs to say perma summoned in their line, like godwrath summons do 11:25:49 Oh, hmm. 11:25:49 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:51 I don't see why not 11:25:53 they are 11:25:53 since they kind of aren't really summons 11:25:58 eh 11:25:59 ok 11:26:09 merc is so funny to me 11:26:11 "this man came out of a card. I summoned him. go, exodia!" 11:26:18 people seem to love it and spend time working on it 11:26:19 wait no I think I got confused there 11:26:29 but it's buried in this obscure source 11:26:35 does nem gift merc cards now? 11:26:37 yeah I have literally never gotten a merc 11:26:56 I hate to bring this up again, but I would like somebody to review this so I don't break anything <_<: http://bpaste.net/show/ae5GXNE0TNhOqO7CvtU4/ 11:27:18 yesterday I was talking to a guy who was extremely angry about the mon-no-pickup changes, specifically and exclusively because he wanted to be able to keep upgrading his mercs 11:27:44 gammafunk: I don't think he gifts those cards any more. 11:27:48 and I mean I sympathise with that, it seems like a cool and flavorful mechanic, and one that deserves a better interface than ctrl-t. even if it is pretty niche 11:28:03 reaverb: isn't 0 correct? 11:28:19 i mean, that 11:28:27 that's a lot of places to be wrong 11:28:30 I feel like if the mechanic is worth-while putting all this effort into, it should appear as its own, suitibly rare item 11:28:37 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14.1-23-g35e4e54 11:28:38 it's a strategic item anyhow, I guess 11:28:38 wheals: The point of that patch is to make -1 correct by changing the function. 11:28:43 ah 11:28:52 wheals: Currently 0 is correct, which is inconsistant with random_choose( 11:29:07 Which is why I caused a crash yesturday, so I'm fixing it. 11:29:24 gammafunk: make an item that you can retrieve a mercenary from - let it recall them from wherever, so you can take them into the abyss or w/e. maybe some kind of small, hinged sphere, with a cherry-red top 11:29:53 mercimon 11:29:59 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 11:30:09 btw does zapping monsters that you see on game start but are behind glass sound ok 11:30:13 merci, monsieur mercenary! 11:30:23 wheals: zapping? 11:30:25 i don't think mercs are worth putting all this effort into (and i implemented them) 11:30:45 MarvinPA: they seem to be really well loved. I think that's something worth preserving 11:30:49 yeah, that was kind of my feeling; either we're making it a thing or not 11:30:50 on game start all monsters in LOS_SOLID get KILL_RESET 11:30:55 and you can certainly argue for not 11:30:57 and expanding on, into something that more players actually see 11:31:19 presumably to make unfair starts less likely 11:31:33 Well, allies are odd enough I don't think their regular appearance to arbitary players is a good idea. 11:31:49 reaverb: ? 11:31:50 i think it's fine as a rare card effect (with better starting gear and no mon-pickup like wheals mentioned), but shouldn't be more common, yes 11:31:54 but there are some arrival vaults that place glass so a monster can be just as close, the glass doesn't make them less dangerous 11:32:10 PleasingFungus: How often would you like to make mecenaries? 11:32:20 I guess if we can keep the merc code shenanigans very simple, it's fine 11:32:38 reaverb: I was thinking something like box of beasts commonality 11:32:46 box of mercenary 11:32:48 great example 11:32:53 ty 11:33:06 PleasingFungus: Yes that seems a little too common, you can expect to find a Box of beasts very easily. 11:33:16 "proper" perma-ally play is supported under beogh and yred, it's not something that needs to be or should be available to every character 11:33:18 you can find about one a game, maybe two in extended 11:33:19 Particularly if Evocations isn't needed. 11:33:26 Psyhsk the merfolk-naga-tengu chimera comes into view. Pay Psyhsk's fee? 11:33:33 I'm thinking mercenaries should appear maybe 1 in 20 games. 11:33:34 haha 11:33:43 reaverb: yeah that's exactly what we're suggesting moving away from 11:33:47 since they're cool and worth seeing more often 11:34:00 PleasingFungus: I think they're cool but not worth seeing more often. 11:34:02 MarvinPA: I think it's pretty different mechanically to have one pal versus a small army 11:34:16 PleasingFungus: Like bh_aut vault. 11:34:31 i...actually have no idea how to give the mercs better gear 11:34:41 hm 11:34:44 probably just cased by the merc....sigh 11:34:58 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:35:03 just like we'd do in mon-gear 11:35:13 I'm sure some will ahve common upgrades at least 11:36:01 -!- thetao has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:36:35 PleasingFungus: I think one problem with merc is that for a single, non-replenishable ally, unfun efforts to keep it alive are necessary 11:36:46 wheals: someone suggests putting spriggan riders on wasps, which sounds hilariously horrifying 11:37:00 Hmm, put spriggan riders on random things. 11:37:02 wasp mangroves are already pretty crazy 11:37:08 hrm, yellow wasps 11:37:11 reaverb: yes that was the full suggestion 11:37:22 spriggans riding spriggans riding spriggans 11:37:27 tbh I forgot about wasps 11:37:31 PleasingFungus: Hmm, sounds fun. :D 11:38:16 might be tricky for spriting 11:38:36 since you'd need one spriggan rider sprite per mount, probably 11:39:17 i guess i could make a merc parameter similar to the spectral_orcs one 11:39:38 In the end, I hope this becomes the single most complicated nem card 11:39:51 makes not ever seeing it even more memorable 11:39:57 when you do see it 11:40:11 wow so spectral orcs use mon->number to store orc type 11:40:14 apparently 11:40:29 i think it probably already is by a long shot 11:40:52 -!- reaverb has left ##crawl-dev 11:40:59 The card crackles and glows, brimming with git energies 11:41:00 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:10 trowel definitely was, if only because of the weird entry vault stuff 11:41:37 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:41:42 oh trowel was up there yeah 11:41:45 imho remove mon->number 11:42:13 put all old strategic nem effects in one card that randomly chooses from them, call it the Strategy Card 11:42:44 unfortunately, 90% of the time, it just turns out to be Shuffle 11:42:55 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:57 Xom giggles. 11:43:23 PleasingFungus: oh unrelatedly, you should break the good news to lasty that he needs to refactor his god already because of all the exciting mutation changes 11:43:58 i tried applying the patch out of curiousity and then immediately realised there was no way i could be bothered to resolve all the conflicts :P 11:44:16 hahaha 11:44:19 oops 11:44:23 now I feel kind of bad 11:44:30 wasn't reaverb talking about doing some refactoring of that? 11:44:52 I was saying maybe it should be refactored. 11:45:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 11:45:24 !tell Lasty I broke your god patch :( poke around in mutations.cc I guess. Sorry! 11:45:24 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 11:45:34 At least give him the commit. 11:45:38 %git :/refac 11:45:38 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-1399-gffd391d: Combine the frost/flame and freezing/flaming brands. 10(3 hours ago, 25 files, 84+ 133-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffd391d7850b 11:45:44 %git :/mutation 11:45:44 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1395-g07b0eb3: Refactor mutations 10(11 hours ago, 3 files, 224+ 214-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07b0eb35980d 11:46:10 !tell Lasty Here's the breaking commit: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07b0eb35980d 11:46:11 reaverb: OK, I'll let lasty know. 11:46:30 unfortunately git kind of mangled the diffs on that 11:46:56 difficult to read 11:47:16 !tell Lasty1 There are messages under "Lasty" if you haven't seen them yet. 11:47:17 reaverb: OK, I'll let lasty1 know. 11:47:22 !source create_monster 11:47:23 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc;hb=HEAD#l3801 11:48:32 you've created a monster, wheals! 11:49:01 the real monster is the code 11:49:08 and that that place_monster and mons_place both exist 11:49:16 hahaha look at summon_any_demon() 11:49:24 look at all those random_choose_weighted() calls 11:49:25 and their weights 11:49:34 that's art 11:50:48 what is up with that pan code in that function too 11:51:22 I 11:51:24 have no idea 11:51:49 Don't change it until I push my random_choose_weighted patch. 11:51:56 Which I think I'll just do now. 11:52:03 rip 11:52:07 well, this would be replacing random_choose_weighted() with just random_choose() 11:52:11 or w/e it's called 11:52:22 you could combine the if/elses tho 11:52:22 but I would still have to resolve the conflict. 11:52:33 true 11:52:39 to both 11:52:52 so the same random_choose_weighted had 3s and 4s, for example 11:53:19 idk. it might be cleaner to keep the current separation 11:53:32 but the lines of code cost 11:53:37 noooo 11:53:58 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:54:21 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:32 seriously, though. that pan code. what is going on with those basechar checks 11:54:40 I guess it's 11:54:42 oh god 11:55:00 Does it do something awful like the acquire code. 11:55:15 it must be old since there's a function for getting base char directly now 11:55:20 it is trying to summon demons from the current floor/vault, and doing this by iterating over all monster types for the floor & filtering out the ones that aren't actually demons 11:55:25 instead of through monsterentry 11:55:29 PleasingFungus: wow 11:55:40 specifically the ones that aren't demons of the correct tier 11:55:44 that is something 11:56:25 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:56:59 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:05 also I *think* it's trying to select a random demon by weight, but it'll always end up selecting the first one 11:57:10 if I'm reading this right 11:57:21 %git a6557fe2ad13 11:57:21 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-660-ga6557fe: Draw random demon types in Pan from the local pools first. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 37+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6557fe2ad13 11:57:33 grunt............... 11:57:44 ??grunt[fun 11:57:45 grunt[10/12]: Grunt, no fun since... forever :) 11:57:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: why would it be always the first one? 11:57:55 not quite what I was looking for but w/e 11:58:09 |amethyst: so you have x_chance_in_y(weight, count) 11:58:17 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: right, so it always picks the first 11:58:21 yep 11:58:23 <|amethyst> then might replace that with the second 11:58:25 <|amethyst> and third etc 11:58:31 oh right forgot it didn't exit the loop 11:58:33 sorry 11:58:40 ok, I withdraw my criticism on that count 11:58:57 what does it mean by local pools anyway? 11:59:06 do some pan levels have different monster generation? 11:59:08 <|amethyst> wheals: if a vault defines a monster list 11:59:18 <|amethyst> wheals: yes, particularly the boss levels 11:59:43 oh, so summon imp on cerebov's level will always grab crimson imps now? 11:59:50 or are they not encompass 12:00:04 <|amethyst> does this affect summon imp? 12:00:11 <|amethyst> Cerebov = "efreet / orange demon / sun demon / ynoxinul / balrug / " .. 12:00:14 <|amethyst> "brimstone fiend w:1 / infernal warmonger w:1", 12:00:15 oh i guess that has it's own list 12:00:18 anyway 12:00:21 maybe 12:00:43 <|amethyst> a few other non-unique vaults do 12:00:47 <|amethyst> grunt_pan_frozen_over 12:00:51 efreet (05R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-52 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(28), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 361 | Sp: b.fire (3d15), fireball (3d15) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:00:51 %??efreet 12:00:57 alas, no summon efreet 12:01:01 <|amethyst> holy pan, but there are no demons on that list 12:01:13 <|amethyst> and I think that's all 12:01:24 not sure why you couldn 12:01:28 !vault grunt_pan_frozen_over 12:01:28 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/pan.des;hb=HEAD#l2377 12:01:31 't still use normal vault syntax 12:01:36 <|amethyst> it's a non-unique pan lord vault 12:01:37 ah, antihellion antiisland 12:01:50 <|amethyst> wheals: normal vault syntax for what? 12:02:03 i'm just trying to figure out why grunt did this 12:02:23 <|amethyst> so that demon summons are thematic on thematic levels, i would imagine 12:03:21 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14.1-23-g35e4e54 12:06:12 yeah, wizlabs do it (see cloudmage for an example), holy pan does as well 12:06:32 set a monster list, you mean? 12:06:35 yes 12:06:54 I'm not sure how pan monster spawning actually works 12:06:55 i knew, though i didn't realise non-encompass vaults could 12:07:14 hrm, interesting, does it affect the whole level? 12:07:16 I assume it does 12:07:22 Hmm, what happens if two vaults that set the monsters list spawn on the same level? 12:07:43 I bet the generated monsters are chimeras of both sets 12:07:50 if not fr: that 12:07:56 !messages 12:07:56 (1/2) PleasingFungus said (22m 32s ago): I broke your god patch :( poke around in mutations.cc I guess. Sorry! 12:08:00 !messages 12:08:00 (1/1) reaverb said (21m 50s ago): Here's the breaking commit: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07b0eb35980d 12:08:08 Lasty: oh, also wanted to tell you 12:08:14 your commit messages are kind of messed up 12:08:35 Refactoring shouldn't be too hard 12:08:40 gammafunk: aw really? Crap. 12:08:46 What happened to them? 12:08:50 you need to have the commit 'title' on a line (72 chars or less is a good rule) and then an empty line, and then further text 12:09:07 Oh, I only left one line break after the title 12:09:13 yeah 12:09:27 I'll have to redo them :( 12:09:32 Thanks 12:09:35 well, it's easy to rebase -i that 12:09:37 yeah 12:09:40 but yeah, 18 commits 12:09:48 also for your "fix up this" commits 12:09:54 those are good candidates for squashing 12:09:58 ah, yeah 12:10:01 true 12:10:09 Is the code looking okay so far? 12:10:16 as in move them next to a relevent commit if need be, but squash into the implementation commit in any case 12:10:23 I haven't looked in detail yet 12:10:26 Oh, I see 12:10:28 just something I noticed 12:10:31 ok 12:10:43 It's a god with a lot of abilities, that's for sure 12:10:48 jesus, yeah 12:10:52 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:00 Well, a few abilities and a ton of penalties :p 12:11:06 but we'd probably just get it working and address the design issues after a more careful look 12:11:10 The sacrificing mechanic took a lot of work to implement 12:11:29 Lasty: Also, did you compile after each new commit. 12:11:30 ? 12:11:31 some things might need a lot of rework if there's too much complexity 12:11:38 s/rework/simplification/ I guess 12:11:40 Some of them looked a little odd.. 12:11:53 This god looks totally awesome though. 12:11:54 reaverb: no -- I compiled after a full build, then parceled it out into separate commits 12:12:03 You push the commit. You feel odd for a moment. 12:12:05 It's possible that some stuff slipped a little 12:12:14 Lasty: A commit which doesn't compile is really bad because it breaks bisecting. 12:12:22 Oh, ah 12:12:23 Crap 12:12:55 Does that mean I need to resplit the code again, or is it possible to take a chunk from one commit and move it to another commit? 12:13:01 yeah, another reason to have maybe not *quite* that many commits 12:13:03 reaverb: you can just do "git bisect skip" 12:13:24 but yes, if you have a long series of commits most of which don't work 12:13:27 it's probably best to squash them 12:13:34 when merging 12:13:48 I believe that most of the commits do compile, but I could be mistaken. 12:14:20 That would be a pretty easy bash function to make, come to think of it 12:14:49 reaverb: I'm glad you think it looks awesome! I really hope it's fun. 12:14:58 ais523_: Thanks for that commad. 12:15:32 But still, it it doesn't compile it means that the commit isn't really a seperate change, which is sort of the point of a commit <_< 12:15:42 So I'm taking notes, and I know I need to fix the commit messages and squash the last two commits down. What else do I definitely need to fix? 12:16:11 reaverb: sometimes when I do really big refactors to NetHack, it doesn't compile for weeks 12:16:21 this is needed if you're making changes that touch the entire code 12:16:37 reaverb: I tried to keep all the separate changes stand-along and compileable, but I think there's a likelihood that some chunk of code that should have been in commit x ended up in commit y. 12:16:38 ais523_: I'm really not sure how you do it. 12:16:46 I could never handle that long without feedback. 12:16:47 Breaking it up post-facto is awkward 12:17:06 reaverb: I can still run it through the compiler 12:17:07 Lasty: (This is why most git guide tell you to commit as much as you can) 12:17:10 with knowledge of what's likely to fail 12:17:23 in fact, I've grown rather fond of the Perl6ism of writing "..." in the code for something that isn't written yet 12:17:25 Lasty: well that's always fixable, some of it can wait for the final rebase 12:17:29 in C, the compiler chokes on it, but that's what you want 12:17:33 to make sure that you remember to write it 12:17:38 maybe by then it won't be an issue, or there can be a further squash 12:18:07 final rebase meaning before we take the experimental branch and put it in trunk 12:18:12 if we get that far 12:18:23 reaverb: yeah, my git habits aren't as good as they could be. At work each project ends up being mandatorily compressed to a single commit, so there's not much incentive to do it cleanly. 12:18:47 Lasty: As a minor thing, bumping down the ability enums of Gozag and such isn't really good. 12:18:54 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1401-g37dca88 (34) 12:18:56 Reaverb: I thought I fixed that 12:19:00 I makes the smithgod conflict even worse for instance. 12:19:05 In one of the last commits 12:19:29 I started the project before Qaz and Gozag were added to the codebase . . . 12:19:34 Lasty: Oh yes, I didn't notice, this is why those kind of commit could stand to be squashed :D 12:19:49 Sidenote: merging them in blew away a ton of my code 12:20:12 Lasty: What do you mean by "blew away" ? 12:21:33 Lasty: Yeah, a later commit fixed it, I would recommend rebase -i on the common ancestor between the Iashol branch in chunks to squash that into the commit it corrects before trying to update the branch to Trunk. 12:21:42 (it being the ABIL_ enums) 12:21:53 -!- Makrond has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:22:08 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:22:29 reaverb: somehow the merge overwrote a lot of my enums/list entries/tiles stuff/etc without asking. I had to redo a bunch of it. 12:22:52 reaverb: can do! 12:23:02 Lasty: Overwriting really should not happen, no idea what could cause that. 12:23:08 yeah, I've never seen anything like it 12:23:13 I was very surprised 12:23:49 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:23:58 Thanks for helping get this all whipped into shape. Out of curiosity, is anyone in particular planning to do the review? 12:24:34 Lasty: I haven't seen anyone in particular state they would look over the entire branch. 12:24:58 Oh, it's more of a team effort sort of deal? 12:25:14 I'm busy for the next week or so but I might be a good person to do that since I've looked smithgod and mutation stuff before. 12:25:34 Lasty: It's more like "whoever wants to get this into Trunk has to look at it <_<" 12:25:52 Haha 12:25:55 or on occasion "I haven't looked this over but let's push it anyway >_> " 12:26:06 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1402-g7e81480: Make random_choose_weighted() end on -1 weight 10(11 hours ago, 24 files, 131+ 130-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e81480cda18 12:26:14 Well, I assume it's not destined for Trunk w/o some experimental play first 12:26:27 Yes, that's definietly true. 12:26:51 I'm fairly sure that the balance isn't right. It'd be sort of a miracle if it was. 12:27:02 Not sure how soon making a branch would be good, once people start using git to contribute it gets messy to rewrite history which still needs to be done for a while. 12:27:27 See: chunkless which is like more than half reverts and thing people reverted. 12:27:36 lol 12:28:31 -!- thetao has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:29:13 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1402-g7e81480: Make random_choose_weighted() end on -1 weight 10(11 hours ago, 24 files, 131+ 130-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e81480cda18 12:30:37 You say once people starting using git to contribute -- do people contribute without git, or is that a relic of the past? 12:31:07 I mean when people starting using git so multiple people can work on the some project. 12:31:22 ah 12:31:57 Yes, enough people have local copies of chunkless getting them all on board for rewriting history would be too big a hassle. 12:32:24 Yeah, that sounds like a potential nightmare. 12:32:54 maybe i should rewrite history on mon-pickup so compiling takes less time 12:33:12 eh, i'll be out for a while now anyway 12:33:16 !tell |amethyst Cheibriados is duplicating commit messages in the logs, but not in ##crawl-dev. It's weird. 12:33:17 reaverb: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:33:28 !tell |amethyst Cheibriados is duplicating commit messages in the logs, but not in ##crawl-dev. It's weird. 12:33:28 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:33:34 lol 12:33:55 Oh, I get it. 12:34:14 Yes I would have use 1tell so not to annoy |amethyst but whatever. 12:34:17 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:08 <|amethyst> hm 12:35:29 pugnum (L2 DsGl) ERROR: range check error (114 / 114) (D (Sprint)) 12:35:45 The first message shows up here, the second message is a couple minutes later and only shows up in the logs. 12:37:24 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:24 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:37:24 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:38:05 <|amethyst> %git 12:38:05 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1402-g7e81480: Make random_choose_weighted() end on -1 weight 10(11 hours ago, 24 files, 131+ 130-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e81480cda18 12:39:15 People complain about the diamon obelisk vault recently: 12:39:23 ??diamond obelisk[2 12:39:24 diamond obelisk[2/2]: You can just step onto the edge of the tornado and wait for 3.0 aut (including the time taken for the step) and then step off onto the loot. Repeat to get out. 12:39:48 oh, thats nothing recent :P 12:39:52 I was thinking about randomly add extra walls to the edge of the vault to make it harder, does that wound beatable? 12:39:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:40:31 randomizing the layout would throw people off a bit. but the problem is that the tornado itself is deterministic 12:41:02 Hmm. 12:41:07 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41:21 <|amethyst> reaverb: you missed lots of calls to random_choose_weighted 12:41:28 i dont know if thats worth changing the way tornado works, either 12:41:59 the vault itself is kind of cool, but not really essential to anything. its just this weird one-off mechanic that seems hard to fix 12:42:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:42:05 i could be missing something 12:44:05 |amethyst: :( 12:44:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:06 I guess I should probably revert then? 12:45:54 I should of somehow doublechecked that before pushing, I must have not actually done it between yestruday and today. 12:46:11 <|amethyst> I would go with revert 12:46:18 <|amethyst> I don't think it needs to be consistent in that way 12:46:30 The -1 thing? 12:46:34 <|amethyst> yes 12:46:36 <|amethyst> keep in mind that the arguments in question mean different things anyway 12:46:49 I caused a crash yesturday because I messed that up, which is why I tried to fix it. 12:47:06 <|amethyst> in random_choose they're values to choose (usually enumerators, and 0 is a common enumerator). in random_choose_weighted it's the weight 12:47:11 |amethyst: Yes I know one is weight and the other is the actuall choice. 12:47:39 Tempted to rewrite history so that commit never happen <_< 12:47:43 But I wont. 12:47:45 ha 12:48:15 <|amethyst> reaverb: well, the int version of random_choose is already inconsistent with the string version in that way 12:48:22 <|amethyst> the char* version that is 12:48:26 <|amethyst> since that one needs 0, not -1 12:48:41 <|amethyst> (and couldn't be made to take -1 without some bad casting anyway) 12:48:41 |amethyst: Oh, wow, that sounds even more confusing... 12:48:52 <|amethyst> since 0 is a null pointer 12:48:57 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:49:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:55 Ok, reverted, I need some sort of checklist before pushing at this rate :( 12:50:16 Although I did link to that patch here for review. 12:50:44 <|amethyst> reaverb: part of the problem is that looking at the patch alone, it all looks good :) 12:50:57 |amethyst: Yes. 12:51:00 <|amethyst> reaverb: since it doesn't show the things that didn't change :) 12:51:09 How did you find the ones that didn't change? 12:51:44 <|amethyst> reaverb: I noticed that there were only a few instances of SCR_ in the patch 12:52:06 <|amethyst> reaverb: I couldn't remember if the scroll code in makeitem used some trick with an early zero (it doesn't) 12:52:08 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:25 <|amethyst> but then saw that it wasn't changed at all 12:52:34 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1403-g2cecdf4: Revert "Make random_choose_weighted() end on -1 weight" 10(5 minutes ago, 24 files, 130+ 131-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2cecdf434401 12:52:35 Oh, hmm. 12:53:19 Doh, it's that I didn't set up the regrex to handle comments. 12:55:59 <|amethyst> hm, gcc has a 'sentinel' attribute to check for NULL under -Wformat, but I don't see anything similar to check for specific values like a non-pointer 0, or -1 12:56:00 regrex 12:57:23 <|amethyst> chagrix 12:57:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:57:49 regex <-> regrets? 12:58:21 Ha 12:58:24 <|amethyst> Now you have two problems 13:04:05 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:44 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:10:43 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:13:14 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:51 -!- dingir has quit [Quit: Greetings to greensnark... ;)] 13:14:59 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:24 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:59 -!- Dekker3D has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:35:13 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:38:10 -!- BoltVanderhuge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:41:41 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:27 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:09:34 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:15:16 -!- omniguy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:18:51 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:19:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:01 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:26:11 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:33:03 -!- Dekker3D has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:23 -!- Bumann has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:47:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:51:03 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 14:54:51 -!- crate_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:51 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 15:02:37 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04:22 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:04:50 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:53 -!- Hamstersaurusmex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:15:13 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:16:52 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:01 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:20:26 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:55 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:49 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:33:18 -!- tw_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:18 -!- Danei has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:18 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:18 -!- Kvaak has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:18 -!- floatingatoll has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:19 -!- cptwinky has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:19 -!- yxhuvud has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:19 -!- Zannick has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:19 -!- unpaidbill has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:19 -!- Yllodra has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:20 -!- yuastnav has quit [*.net *.split] 15:33:34 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:34 -!- floatingatoll has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:39 -!- Kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:40 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:34:25 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:40 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:37:39 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:44 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:56 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:09 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Excess Flood] 15:45:26 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:33 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:47:39 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:56 SPARM_ARCHAMGI 15:47:58 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:48:12 fr: arch-ham 15:48:51 i guess i will squash that while merging 15:48:58 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 15:49:19 squash it like a proverbial hog 15:49:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:50:15 how often do you find yourself squashing hogs 15:50:15 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:50:17 in your daily life 15:50:46 i admit, i might have a problem 15:51:00 i promise i will go to hogsquashers anonymous 15:51:32 anonymous 15:51:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:51:45 so you hope these hogsquashers won't squeal 15:52:23 database.o: file not recognized: File truncated 15:52:23 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 15:52:27 this seems a bit bad 15:52:33 -!- neunon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:20 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 15:53:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:54:22 -!- unpaidbill has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:22 -!- Ququman_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:22 -!- gammafunk has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:22 -!- bencryption has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:23 -!- PolkaDot has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- Farcaster has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- Nomi has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- neunon has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- MgDark has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- the_glow1 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- nooodl has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- xnavy_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- TZer0 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- Zephryn has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- herself has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:24 -!- Sizzell has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:25 -!- Notipsum has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:25 -!- DrKe2 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:27 aha seems i just need to rm database.o 15:54:31 -!- neunon_ is now known as neunon 15:55:07 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:43 %git d42d709c044975 15:55:44 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-2664-gd42d709: Let mercenaries pick up and use equipment 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d42d709c0449 15:55:53 nice, i'm restoring the old behaviour! 15:56:17 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:00 oh hm centaur warrior mercs should probably be disallowed now 16:00:14 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1122-g92cf7ad: Give mercs better items. 10(4 hours ago, 5 files, 16+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=92cf7ad39a9b 16:01:18 its cool when allies level up, you should at least be allowed to get a centaur that turns into a warrior later 16:01:34 yeah, but without arrows it would be pretty lame 16:01:42 oh, i see 16:02:05 and no melee weapon either 16:02:06 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:11 still probably better than a big kobold though 16:02:44 wonder...maybe vault guard as a replacement? 16:02:46 or too weird 16:02:56 <|amethyst> wheals: what *does* happen when you run a monster out of ammo? 16:03:02 <|amethyst> wheals: switches to unarmed I guess? 16:03:03 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:03 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:03:06 is it a big deal if allies can pick up ammo? i know it violates the recent changes to monster pickup, but this seems like a reasonable case... 16:03:10 unless the bow is cursed 16:03:16 it kind of bugs me that this is the only reason why you cant have a ranged ally 16:03:32 that's another option, true 16:04:02 i guess another way is if they just magically had infinite ammo, or it refilled over time 16:04:20 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:11 -!- Chousuke_ is now known as Chousuke 16:05:25 maybe make it so that if they fire their last arrow they don't lose one? but then you could milk them forever 16:06:08 the thing is, i just flagged them HARD_RESET so they have shadow ammo 16:06:15 clearly just implement crawl-light's "infinite non-branded ammo" mechanic. then it wouldn't be a problem for anyone 16:06:18 so they can't pick it back up 16:06:33 or make monsters not need ammo 16:06:44 if they have a launcher, that is 16:07:24 wheals: doesn't that still create the 'milk enemies for ammo' problem for non-HARD_RESET enemies? unless their arrows are guaranteed to mulch, I guess 16:07:51 yeah, make them use fake arrows 16:08:59 <|amethyst> would they carry real arrows too? Because centaurs and yaktaurs are a pretty important source of ammunition 16:09:21 not being able to have orc buddies with xbows is possibly a blocker for merging into trunk 16:10:18 <|amethyst> yes, the DCSScraft players demand their artillery units 16:10:56 actually, I think you'll find they clearly correspond to the 'marines' units, and furthermore, 16:11:19 re carrying real arrows: I guess they'd probably still spawn as they currently do, but then keep firing fake arrows after they run out of real ones? 16:11:24 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:25 <|amethyst> true, I guess artillery would be priests 16:11:28 -!- 77CAABRGO has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 16:11:36 <|amethyst> TZer0: hey 16:11:44 fr: rename orc warlords to ultralisks 16:11:46 ultrawarlords 16:11:48 <|amethyst> TZer0: I may have some dgamelaunch-config updates for you in a day or two 16:12:01 <|amethyst> TZer0: to separate updating the webtiles server from updating trunk 16:12:03 hellions are artillery imo 16:12:23 <|amethyst> evilmike: can any orc buddies summon those? 16:12:38 <|amethyst> TZer0: in preparation for moving to the new webtiles 16:12:38 nope 16:12:48 once upon a time it was possible though 16:13:00 because they were mid-tier demons, rather than "greater demons" 16:13:23 could let beogh gift bows/crossbows and ammo occasionally instead of upgrading a weapon/armour 16:14:18 <|amethyst> also, would Tukima's (and pseudopods) be a permanent disarm? 16:14:21 (and not give centaur warrior mercs) 16:14:37 -!- Fenri has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:15:11 can anything cast tukima's? this includes ghosts 16:15:18 <|amethyst> players 16:15:21 <|amethyst> new Tukima's 16:15:28 <|amethyst> %git :/ukima 16:15:30 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1090-gbb433b5: Allow felids to memorize Tukima's Dance 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb433b536b22 16:15:30 it essentially is 16:15:30 yeah. but its ok for the player to permanently disarm enemies 16:15:42 i mean, you can just apport all the weapons away from the dudes 16:15:45 not so good for enemies to permanently disarm your perma-allies, though 16:15:50 and dump them on the downstairs upstairs 16:16:35 <|amethyst> I guess it's not too common that they'd get another chance to pick up a weapon anyway 16:16:55 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]] 16:17:32 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:31 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:20:08 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:06 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:25:58 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:29:41 -!- negatendo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:29:41 -!- negatendo_ is now known as negatendo 16:32:32 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33:38 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37:56 -!- netkitten has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:19 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39:00 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:43 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:46:04 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:46:23 -!- categor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:54:00 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:55:33 -!- casmith789 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:04:54 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:05:01 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:07:28 -!- box_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:07:29 -!- negatendo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:08:17 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:26 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:12:58 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:19:11 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-1403-g2cecdf4 (34) 17:23:24 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:26:27 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:29:23 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:12 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35:54 hai 17:38:19 hi 17:40:43 -!- rbrrk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:41:43 -!- category has quit [Client Quit] 17:45:02 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:08 -!- netkitten_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:51:23 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:56:09 -!- alefury has quit [] 17:59:37 well, fuck 17:59:39 http://i.imgur.com/MLTcJ47.png 17:59:45 from the crawl LP thread, of all things 18:00:13 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:00:23 ...wait a sec, that's one of the old 0-byte files from the first attempt at ghost reform, isn't it? I recognize that weird name format. 18:00:59 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:48 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:55 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Client Quit] 18:03:32 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:04:18 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:07:17 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:09:15 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 18:11:28 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:53 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:15:41 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 18:16:20 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:28 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:19:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:21:02 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:21:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:24:02 ??planning 18:24:03 I don't have a page labeled planning in my learndb. Did you mean: clan, pan, pla, plain, plant. 18:24:07 ??0.15 todo 18:24:07 I don't have a page labeled 0.15_todo in my learndb. 18:24:10 ??0.15 18:24:11 0.15[1/1]: August 2014 18:24:14 hm 18:26:58 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:16 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:57 pleasingfungus: So I've pulled in the recent changes, including your mutation changes, and I've got my mutations set up under the new structure. Is it okay to add that as a new commit, or do I need to update all my commits that add a mutation so that they're always in sync? 18:33:57 Lasty1: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:34:01 !message 18:34:10 !messages 18:34:10 (1/1) reaverb said (6h 46m 54s ago): There are messages under "Lasty" if you haven't seen them yet. 18:35:01 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:37:41 -!- blueblack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:41:44 drugrobin (L13 HaFi) (IceCv) 18:41:47 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:47:09 ??0.15 plan 18:47:10 0.15 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.15_plan 18:47:15 oh 18:47:16 rip wheals 18:49:01 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:02 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:39 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:50 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:55:57 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:48 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:55 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:53 <|amethyst> Here: Guaru the tengu warrior, wielding the +4,+7 battleaxe "Guaru's fury" {elec, Dex-6}, wearing a +2 plate armour of poison resistance, quivering 4 tomahawks and carrying a +0,+1 crossbow of evasion (friendly) 19:00:00 <|amethyst> ♥ Igni 19:01:02 |amethyst or Grunt or someone: once I catch up my code to the new mutation structure, should I make that a new commit, or do I need to break it up and append it to my old commits which introduce those mutations? 19:01:27 <|amethyst> I would amend the old commits 19:01:38 <|amethyst> it is easiest to do that as part of the rebase process 19:02:10 <|amethyst> hm 19:02:36 I've been trying to do git rebase --amend -C and then specify the old version #, but it seems like that just creates a new commit w/ the old commit message 19:03:07 <|amethyst> hm 19:04:18 <|amethyst> I would rebase -i onto master, mark each of your old commits as edit (you probably have to resolve conflicts anyway), and at each step fix it up and make it at least compile 19:05:32 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:12 <|amethyst> then after you have resolved conflicts and made your changes, commit the result (safest to check git show to see whether you need to commit or commit --amend) and rebase --continue 19:06:13 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:06:31 That sounds good, but I'm not certain how to get code from commit #19 back into commit #6 (or whatever) -- by the time i'm editing #19, #6 will be already applied, right? 19:07:28 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:07:31 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:27 <|amethyst> yeah, so when you get to 19 your conflict resolution will probably leave it not changing anything 19:10:03 <|amethyst> as for getting the changes in, I'd apply the appropriate ones by hand; not sure if there's a better way to do that (hunk by hunk cherry picking) 19:10:09 Oh, I see! 19:10:13 Ok, I can do that. 19:10:15 Thanks 19:17:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140529030207]] 19:21:22 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:18 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:29:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:08 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:36:48 Lasty1: also you can reorder commits with your editor in -i, if you didn't know 19:37:04 I didn't know that for a while, and did silly things because of it 19:37:18 s/-i/rebase -i/ 19:37:39 -!- gammafun1 is now known as gammafunk 19:38:08 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:33 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:07 gammafun1: Whoa! That changes everything! 19:43:20 Thank you so much! 19:47:23 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:58 -!- wwjnc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807]] 19:54:25 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:56:33 Yeah, reading that chat, it seemed you might not be aware :) 19:56:59 You still have to resolve the conflicts that come from those kinds of moves, but they're handy, espeically if you want to squash two non-adjacent commits 20:00:30 Yeah, that's -exactly- what I was looking for 20:00:34 that should help a ton 20:04:02 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:54 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:27 !seen elliptic 20:07:27 I last saw elliptic at Fri May 23 01:58:36 2014 UTC (2w 4d 23h 8m 51s ago) quitting, saying '*.net *.split'. 20:10:31 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11:09 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:48 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:16:47 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:37 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:19 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:49 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:30 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:27 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:38:31 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:38:52 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:46:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:48:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:49:53 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/stone1.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/stone2.png hm 20:49:54 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 20:52:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:15 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:53:27 -!- Farcaster2 has quit [Client Quit] 20:53:52 -!- Farcaster has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:13:25 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:15:10 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:15:38 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 21:20:06 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:20:52 <|amethyst> Bloax: looks like you have a fan on tavern... "The new tiles look a lot more disgusting and realistic, the old ones were cuter." 21:21:11 where 21:21:14 <|amethyst> Clearly we need more rainbows and ponies 21:21:18 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12652 21:22:53 <|amethyst> (They weren't referring to any tiles in particular, just crawl in general, but "realistic" and not "cute" made me think of you :) 21:24:01 "disgusting" https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/abom/BigWhat.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/UglyThingRed.png 21:24:03 he he he 21:24:12 that is definitely me 21:25:59 -!- Farcaster2 has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:26:26 but yes i can understand the less gritty designs having a charm to them 21:26:32 but let's be honest here 21:26:48 in a game about murdering a dungeon in search for some artifact at the bottom of a dungeon 21:26:51 is kind of dark isn't it 21:26:56 -in 21:28:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:32:51 03bh02 07* 0.15-a0-1404-gadd05a9: Remove Anti-training 10(7 minutes ago, 4 files, 2+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=add05a9ee7f9 21:34:43 good Bh 21:35:33 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:43:25 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:43:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:44:16 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:06 |amethyst: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/thrashing_horror.png since i felt nice 21:45:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:16 Bloax: looks like Raggedy Princess (http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Raggedy_Princess) 21:46:55 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/thrashing_horror2x.png does it 21:47:21 <|amethyst> I was thinking a cancerous chicken embryo 21:47:37 that's more like it 21:52:27 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53:05 -!- axecop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:58:28 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:04:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:13 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:04:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1405-g3740176: Remove more antitraining. 10(5 minutes ago, 5 files, 5+ 32-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3740176435dd 22:05:36 :( 22:05:50 I liked antitraining 22:06:22 it was garbage 22:06:27 it was cool and good 22:06:38 it encouraged you to make strategic choices 22:06:39 DE buff gj devteam 22:06:43 <|amethyst> we can now have an 'elementalist' background 22:06:53 for spells to be effective you have to invest a lot in their appropriate schools 22:06:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:11 guess how much you can invest into ice magic if you have -4 ice magic 22:07:20 yes. that's the point 22:07:22 and how much you'll want to use said ice spells when you already have 18 fire magic 22:07:24 or it was, anyway 22:07:34 the answer is never 22:07:35 there are plenty of ice spells that are very useful with low ice skill 22:07:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I imagine antitraining didn't really affect those? 22:08:09 |amethyst: well, it still made it take twice as much investment to get them at all 22:08:18 idk. I will survive the loss of antitraining 22:08:44 lowlevel spells don't matter in this at all 22:08:47 but I think it is probably an error 22:08:52 since they are a small investment 22:09:10 you would never get refrigerate if you have a sizable chunk of fire magic already 22:09:19 sure, you aren't going for that kind of direct damage spell 22:09:21 because it takes a lot of spellpower to do good damage 22:09:38 it's a great AOE spell though 22:09:44 but things like cloud spells were much harder for earth mages to learn 22:09:49 and it works on the things your fire spells don't 22:09:57 and valuable ice magic buffs were harder for fire mages to pick up 22:11:19 as people are noting, you still have *some* of that - someone who's invested in earth will still be worse at picking up clouds etc, because they've invested some of their limited xp elsewhere. opportunity cost 22:11:23 but it's not as strong as effect 22:11:26 *an 22:11:54 I don't expect this will be reverted on the basis of me talking here, since it was apparently decided "some time ago", apparently quite unanimously. 22:12:03 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the argument seemed to be "it's a bad idea to train multiple elements anyway, so go right ahead" 22:13:34 <|amethyst> at least that was MarvinPA's argument 22:13:39 that is pretty clearly wrong, though 22:13:51 good characters in crawl spread their skills quite widely, past the early game 22:13:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:14:07 since diminishing returns kick in pretty hard 22:14:09 !tell ontoclasm https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12652 you might find something of interest in here! 22:14:10 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 22:14:22 it is a Bad Idea to go for 27 fire magic or w/e 22:14:47 and it can be quite useful to pick up earth for direct damage and air for cloud spells, or w/e 22:15:58 <|amethyst> I think there was consensus that removing antitraining would be better than capping skill levels (which was the other proposal for the new crosstrain system) 22:16:02 good characters don't spread their skills widely 22:16:13 !won bloax 22:16:14 bloax has won 12 times in 890 games (1.35%): 2xGrMo 1xDDTm 1xDEBe 1xDEWz 1xDjMo 1xGrBe 1xOgBe 1xOgHu 1xTeFi 1xTrBe 1xTrTm 22:16:17 they aren't entirely focused, but not widely 22:16:21 <|amethyst> I don't think there was really consensus that removing it alone would be better than status quo 22:17:15 Bloax: I'd disagree with that but I'm not sure the conversation would go anywhere useful 22:17:54 If you're a melee/magic hybrid you can't afford to get a wide array of magic skills either. 22:18:15 !log . tecj won 22:18:16 1. PleasingFungus, XL27 TeCj, T:99326: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/PleasingFungus/morgue-PleasingFungus-20140514-041755.txt 22:18:18 because iron shot at low earth/conjurations isn't particularly devastating 22:18:43 !log . TrTm won 22:18:44 1. Bloax, XL27 TrTm, T:101576: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Bloax/morgue-Bloax-20130705-224353.txt 22:19:05 that's a troll with disjunction, ddoor and dragon form 22:19:09 -!- rbrrk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:19:17 no one is saying you're going to go for tornado + shatter 22:19:19 because said troll has gone through extended! 22:19:23 extended is silly 22:19:32 extended is an exp pinata 22:19:51 but you can now much more easily do things like iron shot + dmsl 22:20:01 within the space of a 3-rune game 22:20:10 which doesn't sound like a bad thing 22:20:49 because air spells accomplish just about the same thing as earth spells 22:20:50 and we're back to where I started this conversation, so... I'm done 22:20:53 they really don't? 22:20:59 what earth magic spell gives you dmsl 22:21:11 they're hardly resistable damage spells 22:21:21 you are absolutely fixated on the damage spells 22:21:31 but I am not talking about those (unless you count cloud spells as damage spells) 22:21:32 yes, because damage spells kill things 22:21:47 and to win this game you surprisingly enough have to kill things 22:21:56 and to kill things better you need more skills 22:22:03 DreamWalker (L10 OpTm) ERROR: range check error (114 / 114) (D (Sprint)) 22:22:19 yes. that's why every ee puts 27 skill levels into earth magic during a 3-rune game 22:22:33 by getting 15 air to get dmsl castable you're spending 15 skill levels there 22:22:38 instead of putting it into dodging or fighting 22:22:39 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:57 and now you can do that as an EE too 22:23:10 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:10 instead of "well that much air is out of the question" 22:23:38 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:23:39 (not to mention that races with high earth aptitudes tend to have likewise low air aptitudes in the first place) 22:24:17 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:20 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:24 -!- rast- is now known as rast 22:25:51 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25:55 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:26:29 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:27:22 -!- category has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:27:41 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:31:37 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 22:32:11 DreamWalker (L12 OpTm) ERROR: range check error (114 / 114) (D (Sprint)) 22:34:26 -!- Morik_ has quit [Client Quit] 22:34:28 -!- qwddd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:09 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:25 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:23 -!- asema has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:58 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53:58 -!- phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:56:52 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:00:25 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:03:54 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1406-gf31cd51: Tweak branch descriptions 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 30+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f31cd5152f53 23:04:27 fuck, commit description should have been 'lighten auric burden' 23:04:55 -!- tbuck has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:04:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: looks like that crash was because of the mutation refactor, commit incoming 23:05:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1407-ge6c8f8b: Don't check _accept_mutation in _get_mut_with_use. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6c8f8b119f1 23:05:28 oops 23:05:28 !crashlog DreamWalker 23:05:28 No milestones for DreamWalker (crash). 23:05:39 <|amethyst> !crashlog DreamWalker sprint 23:05:40 2. DreamWalker, XL12 OpTm, T:1365 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/DreamWalker/crash-DreamWalker-20140611-033210.txt 23:05:51 <|amethyst> but it's not that useful because CAO doesn't have gdb in the chroot 23:05:58 oops 23:06:17 yeah, that was a fuckup on my part. oops 23:06:36 man. people were talking the other day about maybe reducing bot spam in ##crawl 23:06:39 PleasingFungus: Slime has a "you" 23:07:26 rchandra: yeah I know 23:07:31 it has no more "you"s than before! 23:07:43 it could become "one" 23:08:24 sure. I'll tweak it 23:08:46 lemme know if there's anything else 23:11:43 labyrinth is made by benevolent minds imo. nothing else leapt at me 23:12:45 !send PleasingFungus crashes 23:12:46 Sending crashes to PleasingFungus. 23:12:56 !send Grunt chaos moths 23:12:56 Sending chaos moths to Grunt. 23:13:08 !send PleasingFungus chaos butterflies 23:13:08 Sending chaos butterflies to PleasingFungus. 23:13:23 * PleasingFungus transforms into a storm dragon! 23:13:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1408-g627f52b: Actually remove the first person (rchandra) 10(89 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=627f52b43aba 23:20:37 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:09 <|amethyst> I assume that was deliberate? 23:22:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:23:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:54 |amethyst: ? 23:25:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you wrote "first person" again 23:25:12 fuck 23:25:17 I am too stupid to live 23:25:20 I honestly thought this time it was different 23:25:24 I don't know why 23:25:30 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:25:43 maybe I shouldn't be coding after happy hour 23:25:57 <|amethyst> But the bugs are all half-price! 23:26:04 mmm, delicious bugs 23:26:11 -!- WITCHCRAFT has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:29:51 wait 23:29:51 you removed rchandra? 23:29:51 that was drastic 23:30:06 well I was the first person 23:30:26 if he keeps removing the first person eventually he will be the first person 23:30:38 <|amethyst> I thought that was Adam? 23:30:56 eh, it's not like a lot of people know me from Adam anyway. 23:33:32 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:01 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:08 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 23:49:57 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:51:23 !tell ontoclasm pls opine on fruit http://i.imgur.com/iqt0jne.png http://i.imgur.com/VxxpS9t.png 23:51:23 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 23:59:23 |amethyst: not once Adam has been removed! 23:59:43 -!- evilmike has quit [] 23:59:49 my records imply that the second time 'round, he'd remove Eve