00:01:20 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.1-22-g2730a98 00:01:39 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:03:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1323-g1753d8f (34) 00:05:31 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:18 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08:31 Cannot sacrifice corpse on altar by josh 00:08:49 hooray, more y/n prompts 00:11:06 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14.1-22-g2730a98 (34) 00:14:38 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:16:18 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1323-g1753d8f (34) 00:25:21 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:26 there's an Easy Fix(tm) to that! 00:28:13 except i think the plan was to keep beogh sacrifices in some form so i imagine it'd still need handling somehow 00:28:30 haha 00:28:56 <|amethyst> easier fix: make the key to use an altar > instead of p 00:28:56 you could probably get away with just making it do the sacrifice first for free 00:28:58 <|amethyst> just like for shops 00:29:04 I think that wouldn't be overpowered 00:29:05 possibly if beogh sacrifices become some fancy resurrection thing that'd be better as an ability anyway 00:29:55 i guess it's weird that you can't sacrifice items while standing on an altar anyway, even if it's easily worked around for non-corpses 00:31:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but what if I want to convert and sac this corpse to my new god? 00:31:16 abandon 00:31:19 pray 00:31:24 (which will just do the altar, obv) 00:31:26 then pray again 00:31:34 also that is not a real use case!!!! 00:31:41 <|amethyst> so many extra turns! 00:31:44 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:31:54 what a shame 00:32:00 what if you just killed an ood and want to convert to oka for the sweet bonus piety 00:32:19 killing oods sounds difficult 00:32:22 or very easy 00:32:50 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 00:32:52 ood as in the ood that's not iood :P 00:34:12 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:35:07 oh 00:35:23 orb of depth 00:35:38 akak deep orb 00:35:41 *aka 00:37:22 hm 00:37:36 can someone explain to me how this code works: 00:37:40 !source monster.cc:4512 00:37:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l4512 00:38:04 nvm I figured it out 00:38:26 wow how have i never seen these 00:38:32 find_place_to_live 00:38:32 ? 00:38:52 the names are beautiful 00:38:58 find_home_anywhere 00:39:05 :'( 00:39:10 ya 00:39:12 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:28 for a good time, look at the code for monster::extra_balanced_at() 00:39:30 it's art, imo 00:41:06 ......monster::body_weight() is an abomination 00:42:02 wow 00:42:07 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:42:26 someone added new monsters to that recently, even 00:42:41 :( 00:43:08 is that a duplicated list of all the is_skeletal monsters 00:43:39 looks like it! 00:43:51 I appreciate the attention to slime creature verismillitude 00:44:08 except murray, he gets his full weight 00:44:13 lucky him 00:45:00 all weight 150, yes 00:47:43 wait do revenants have their weight halved twice 00:47:47 for being skeletal and for being Ls 00:48:02 helpppp 00:51:18 imo make this function not exist 00:52:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:01:25 hm. looking at 7749 01:04:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:06:38 -!- Lovecraft has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:09:25 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:13:38 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:08 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:17:50 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:52 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]] 01:18:33 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:25 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1324-gcdf1dfc: Ignore rod charge in stash comparisons (#8652) 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdf1dfce163e 01:19:25 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1325-g8698f31: Show visible changes to status of stack toppers. 10(13 minutes ago, 2 files, 17+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8698f31d8830 01:20:07 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:21:44 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22:27 -!- Lovecraft has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1326-g1a204a1: Make monsters trigger traps when climbing stairs (7749) 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a204a1fbfdc 01:24:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1327-g94533af: Make monsters avoid traps while climbing stairs (7749, elliptic) 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 123+ 118-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94533af89455 01:27:16 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:28:07 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:27 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:32 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:30:56 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:36:01 -!- WeiSong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:38:06 What's a safe mid_t value to use for "unset"? 0? -1? 01:40:24 ...looks like neither :( 01:40:52 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: zero should be safe I think 01:40:56 o 01:41:00 then I will use that 01:42:11 <|amethyst> Are you still working on find_home_* by any chance? 01:42:18 nope, I'm done there 01:42:20 <|amethyst> because I have a fix for that I'm about to push 01:42:21 <|amethyst> ok 01:42:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1328-g24d630d: Don't ignore rod max charge in stash comparisons. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24d630d338ac 01:42:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1329-gd2077ff: Handle failure to move when finding a home. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2077ff3d373 01:42:52 someone suggested moving apply_location_effects() into move_to_pos() 01:42:58 but the latter is called in so many locations.... 01:43:25 oh. pretty sure that will never happen 01:43:28 and never happened before, either 01:43:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: could happen if there is no room near the stairs 01:44:05 iirc no 01:44:07 one sec 01:44:27 yeah, the code will never reach there in the first place if there isn't space 01:44:41 -!- ichirin has quit [Client Quit] 01:45:07 move_to_pos() only checks if there's already an actor in the given place... which is something that check_set_valid_home() already checked for 01:45:11 before providing htat location 01:45:13 *that 01:45:45 also aborting in that case is probably the wrong behavior; you want to keep looking for new locations, not arbitrarily give up after finding one bad loc (even if move_to_pos() was changed to return false in more cases) 01:46:09 possibly I should have put a comment about not needing to check for the return value of move_to_pos() there? 01:46:43 -!- phalm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:47:03 anyway I guess I'd probably revert that commit and add a comment 01:47:20 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:48:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hrm 01:49:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [] 01:49:39 or 'continue' instead of returning false 01:49:41 either/or 01:52:06 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 01:52:32 <|amethyst> or die instead of returning false 01:52:39 o 01:52:43 plausible 01:52:57 ASSERT(move_to(... 01:53:01 <|amethyst> no 01:53:21 <|amethyst> if asserts are off, that does nothing 01:53:23 oh 01:53:33 didn't know asserts being off was a thing 01:54:38 <|amethyst> maybe if (!move_to_pos(place)) die("Home (%d,%d) was valid but can't move there", place.x, place.y); 01:54:50 sounds plausible 01:55:04 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:20 -!- Kvaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:02:07 -!- nogardark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:04:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:18 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:27 nubinia (L20 DsWz) ASSERT(in_bounds(p)) in 'items.cc' at line 3795 failed. (p = (0,0)) (Vaults:3) 02:09:20 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:40 <|amethyst> !crashlog nubinia 02:09:41 11. nubinia, XL20 DsWz, T:73351 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/nubinia/crash-nubinia-20140607-070640.txt 02:10:54 warden crash 02:10:57 bet you anything 02:12:21 <|amethyst> get_push_space returned false I bet 02:13:16 bonus hypothesis: corpse in a doorway 02:15:12 <|amethyst> hm, not sure now 02:16:13 <|amethyst> no, I don't think a corpse would do it 02:16:23 pity 02:16:33 <|amethyst> however, if there is a monster in the doorway it wants to move the monster and item to the same place 02:16:55 <|amethyst> but that's restricted by the monster's habitat 02:18:22 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.1-22-g2730a98 02:21:58 -!- Atomikkrab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:22:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140526030202]] 02:26:08 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org 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has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:43:16 vampire mosquitoes are known for their gate-opening skills 03:43:50 <|amethyst> Zannick: It should be, but there's a bug 03:44:04 what's the bug? 03:44:29 <|amethyst> %git adab473 03:44:31 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2782-gadab473: Reduce spamminess on some types of monster generation. 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 47+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=adab47361d6a 03:44:49 <|amethyst> it was supposed to be SC_ARCH, but that substituted with SC_GATE in two places 03:46:16 what was supposed to be SC_ARCH? 03:46:23 "opens the arch" doesn't make sense to me 03:47:22 I figured this is a message from a monster opening a gate. 03:47:52 <|amethyst> "comes through the gate" 03:48:20 are we both reading bug 8655? 03:48:29 <|amethyst> yes 03:48:40 <|amethyst> "There is a gate to the vaults here" 03:48:53 <|amethyst> the mosquito came from Vaults 03:49:03 <|amethyst> since there's no door anywhere near it 03:49:12 it can be on an open gate 03:49:31 <|amethyst> the zombie would be standing on the other square 03:51:05 open, move, zombie moves, then player gets a turn 03:51:06 no? 03:51:08 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:19 i'm still skeptical that this is a "comes through the gate" replacement gone wrong 03:51:27 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:29 <|amethyst> maybe, but then how would the mosquito be opening the door? 03:51:59 <|amethyst> right now if a monster comes up the 'stairs', and those 'stairs' are a portal, it will give that message 03:52:09 btw the source of comes through the gate is delay.cc 03:52:20 in _monster_warning 03:52:34 haha, I wonder how you get this: text += " is thrown into view!"; 03:52:47 octopode crusher (08x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 82-113 | AC/EV: 1/18 | Dam: 35, 1003(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(56), 12drown | XP: 1613 | Sp: throw icicle (3d23), melee | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 03:52:47 <|amethyst> %??octopode crusher 03:52:49 oh, i see 03:52:54 -!- debo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:56 SC_GATE is for opening a gate 03:53:13 so you'd have to have an octopode crusher melee another mob and throw it from out of your LoS into your LoS 03:53:16 that must be a rare message 03:53:17 and this change adds a "comes through the gate" that isn't being used. 03:53:37 <|amethyst> Zannick: and an SC_ARCH that isn't being used 03:53:55 <|amethyst> I'm trying to reproduce this before I push it 03:54:07 <|amethyst> but am not having luck getting monsters to come up the vaults stairs 03:54:16 -!- Lovecraft has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:54:27 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:58:36 -!- Danei has quit [*.net *.split] 03:58:36 -!- ivan`` has quit [*.net *.split] 03:58:36 -!- scrubnub has quit [*.net *.split] 03:58:36 -!- djinni has quit [*.net *.split] 03:58:36 -!- morik has quit [*.net *.split] 03:58:36 -!- Sonata 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07:21:21 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:09 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:25:15 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:32:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:27 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:43:25 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:38 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzLnW5gTyRY Hey look, ADOM looks all grown-up now! 07:52:58 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58:16 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:20 !seen dpeg 07:58:21 I last saw dpeg at Thu Jun 5 02:24:14 2014 UTC (2d 10h 34m 7s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: leaving'. 07:58:23 !abyss grunt 07:58:23 bh casts a spell. grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 08:00:38 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:02:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:39 bh gestures at Grunt. Grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 08:03:57 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 08:04:41 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:44 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:09:18 -!- t4nk708 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:10:21 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12:18 -!- koil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12:23 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:15:12 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:15:41 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:18:20 Didn't get shafted by Shaft card by Vinterriket 08:18:30 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:11 -!- Lovecraft has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:29:18 -!- Lovecraft has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:30:18 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:37 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:46:56 -!- Kvaak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47:07 -!- Kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:58 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:59:11 -!- Gelos_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:10:37 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:11:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:13:21 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:21 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 09:13:21 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:27 thought: gozag should have an ability that lets you buy items from monsters 09:14:36 like a theft ability, but you have to pay to use it 09:17:14 probably something like: random item from the monster, shop price for it, it drops the gold if you kill it, minus a gozag 'sales tax' with a % that goes up with each use 09:17:44 would be a neat take on disarming 09:18:34 Seems like a rather niche ability though. 09:18:49 also new tukima 09:19:08 Monster gear is usually rather trashy. 09:19:26 and only certain uniques have weapons worth disarming 09:20:04 but said uniques (things like asterion and mara) usually have something more to them than weapons 09:20:07 Bloax: it would be quite useful against early stuff like orc warriors, kobolds that pick up wands, etc. 09:20:21 but it would keep being useful though the entire game as a niche ability 09:20:23 A deep elf blademaster comes into view. It is wielding a quick blade of pain and a quick blade of distortion. The deep elf blade master drinks a potion. The deep elf blade master seems to speed up. 09:20:43 Well it could definitely be "there". 09:20:58 Just don't expect it to have big returns on it. 09:21:06 the idea of making it a rebate is to encourage using it a lot earlier, and fighting stuff that you might otherwise run from; potion petition is a bit too expensive for that 09:23:06 Well it would definitely be useful against early hill giants. 09:23:10 hill giant (04C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 42-77 | AC/EV: 3/4 | Dam: 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(44), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 657 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 09:23:10 %??Hill giant 09:23:25 since that's 1d30 damage instead of 1d48-52 09:23:50 yes, stuff like that 09:24:14 or gnolls with halberds, or orc warlords with crossbows in baileys 09:24:37 distortion weapons too 09:26:31 another gozag tweak: i'd make the gold telepathy extend to valuable items, as well as monsters carrying either gold or valuable items 09:26:44 also shop telepathy 09:27:02 either that or drop it, it's not really interesting right now 09:29:22 it's good for detecting bazaars though! 09:29:38 oh yes, definitely bazaar detection too 09:29:42 "You smell a bargain!" 09:30:04 fr entering a bazaar causes gozag penance 09:30:10 Gozag does not approve of competition! 09:38:11 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:38 -!- scummos| has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:47:20 -!- Lovecraft has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:50:04 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:53:22 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:43 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:41 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:00:58 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:01:02 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:02 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 10:01:02 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:52 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:05:37 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06:01 -!- 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13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df5a4c5138b3 10:52:19 oh 10:52:24 I should update the changelog 10:55:33 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:55:52 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:00 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 10:56:00 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:23 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:38 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:37 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:25 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:43 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:59 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:33 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:04:10 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14.1-22-g2730a98 11:04:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:04:55 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:09 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09:21 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:27 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:39 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:29 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:12:03 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:12:56 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:14:22 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:15:18 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:28 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:25:38 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:40 so are elephant slugs going to remain as a genus monster for gastronok 11:26:51 or should he be of his own genus the way arachne is 11:27:18 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28:20 I'm planning to add another slug enemy in the near future, so that could be a genus enemy if he needed one 11:28:39 ok, then i'll hold off on messing with the tiles 11:28:46 aight 11:30:53 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1332-g9dc0abf: Changelog through 0.15-a0-1331-ga052c3c 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9dc0abf1bbbb 11:30:54 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:57 rip slugs 11:32:26 dang 11:33:22 there are three separate lines about manticore changes in there 11:33:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 11:33:27 <|amethyst> I think, even if there were no others, the genus monster should exist 11:33:47 <|amethyst> though maybe it should be just "slug" or "giant slug" 11:33:53 like 'dragon'? 11:34:34 also I only see two lines about manticores 11:34:39 though you're right that two is too many 11:35:12 one is way down under "lair enemies" 11:35:39 373 11:35:48 -!- jacobscrackers has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:10 oh that's in the 0.14 section 11:36:24 nevvermind, i can't read 11:37:03 yep 11:37:08 I'll combine the other two 11:37:32 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:37:40 ...people would yell at me if I made the commit "reduce manticore populations in the changelog", wouldn't they. 11:37:45 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:12 PleasingFungus * 0.15-a0-1332-g9dc0b33: Remove manticores (3 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 3-) http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9dc0abf1bcac 11:39:14 <|amethyst> only boring people 11:39:34 <|amethyst> people might yell at you for *that* :) 11:39:37 haha 11:39:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:39:48 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:41:30 descriptions for burdened and overloaded status are still in the manual. should i mantis that? 11:42:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1333-g4449aa2: Halve the deadly 'changelog manticore' population 10(20 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4449aa2d34fe 11:43:17 'changelog manticore' is basically a metal gear enemy. 11:44:01 he attacks you with moves that have been patched out 11:44:42 dang.... 11:44:45 to beat him you have to rollback your copy of the game and use a fixed bug 11:44:50 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:45:00 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:38 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:48 -!- Amnesiac|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:18 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:46:37 -!- Amnesiac|2 has quit [Client Quit] 11:46:40 heh 11:48:31 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:49:19 ontoclasm: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/corona.png are you sure you don't want light 11:49:49 (whoops there's a black backdrop there) 11:50:08 dang that looks pretty 11:50:52 can I get some help with starting(my friend's) local tiles here 11:51:26 maybe! 11:51:30 Bloax: that looks good, though i can't really figure out what's going on with the head 11:51:41 it's lighted up! 11:51:44 obviously 11:51:47 he gets "ASSERT(_parent) in 'database.cc' at lune 262 failed" 11:51:52 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:51:54 i mean the shape of the top 11:51:59 are they still horns? 11:52:05 probably 11:52:12 good answer 11:52:32 the important part is that there's some yellow stuff 11:53:11 mm 11:53:31 |amethyst: the change you made is that allies can now have inner flame cast on them without going hostile, yes? 11:57:11 that's a good change 11:57:20 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:30 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:57:56 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-1334-g5a4102b: Corona icon edit (Bloax) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a4102b231cc 11:58:06 thanks 11:58:09 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:56 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 12:01:53 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:01:56 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:06:04 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:06:38 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yes 12:08:05 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:08:32 aight. http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-7-june-2014 wordpress post is up 12:08:36 let me know if I made any obvious fuckups 12:12:05 PleasingFungus: "Does the card of drowsing send monsters to sleep?" 12:12:54 that was a good comment, yes 12:12:58 made me smile 12:13:33 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1334-g5a4102b (34) 12:14:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: maybe the spellforged servitor thing is worth mentioning too? 12:15:06 Sure, I'll edit that in. 12:16:33 PleasingFungus: well that comment is really reaverb's fault since he actually said "drowsing" in the post 12:16:38 yeah I know 12:16:49 I get the impression that english isn't his first language? 12:18:41 <|amethyst> I don't get that impression 12:20:31 oh 12:20:33 idk then 12:20:41 <|amethyst> for a non-native speaker you'd expect more awkward grammar, not just spelling errors and typos 12:22:16 this conversation is probably going bad places and I regret starting it 12:22:40 <|amethyst> %git :/portal gates 12:22:40 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-1331-ga052c3c: Don't claim that monster open portal gates (#8655) 10(8 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a052c3cf1c0b 12:31:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:31:50 !seen MarvinPA 12:31:51 I last saw MarvinPA at Sat Jun 7 05:48:02 2014 UTC (11h 43m 48s ago) saying 'helpppp' on ##crawl-dev. 12:31:58 haha 12:32:27 !tell MarvinPA Is it intentional that batform can't drink potions? 12:32:27 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 12:44:55 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:46:32 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46:38 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=177306#p177306 sounds reasonable doesn't it 12:48:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:34 -!- Alarkh_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:49:51 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:15 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:53:49 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:53:58 -!- 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Use !messages to read it. 13:01:36 possibly i left it so as to not change vampires, possibly i just missed it when changing the other forms 13:02:45 I think the code is in a slightly different place 13:02:49 the batform potion code 13:03:29 it's in the same place the tree restriction was it looks like 13:03:45 I stand corrected, then 13:03:51 (but entirely possible i could have missed it anyway) 13:04:22 would it cause problems if vampires drank blood potions while in batform? that's the only real reason I can think of... 13:04:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:04:55 they can already drain corpses still 13:04:59 so probably not 13:05:09 Somehow this blood was not very filling! 13:05:09 _Your blood-filled body can't sustain your transformation much longer. 13:05:13 <|amethyst> potions have full effects on vampires now, right? 13:05:20 yeah 13:05:50 <|amethyst> hm 13:05:53 <|amethyst> one thing to test 13:06:45 <|amethyst> what happens when you drink lignification while bloodless and batformed? 13:07:33 vampires can't transform into non-batform forms unless they're full or better 13:08:01 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: ah, the checks don't care about current form I guess 13:08:10 'non-batform forms' is a good phrase 13:08:12 yeah, i don't think so 13:08:28 ontoclasm: help 13:08:37 maybe still worth checking, but batform becomes available at satiated and below and other forms at full and above 13:08:42 so there should be no overlap i think 13:08:46 i need somebody 13:08:54 I'm trying to make an icon show up on recalling convokers. but the one I made looks like shit in-game 13:08:58 -!- Wahaha has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:25 hah 13:09:27 http://i.imgur.com/4dKGklB.png http://i.imgur.com/uvaaVEc.png I downscaled your recall ability icon 13:09:39 idk. the flag needs to be brighter maybe? 13:10:00 i think it'd be fine if you just cleaned it up and added a black outline 13:10:03 -!- allbefore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:08 oh, an outline might help, yeah 13:10:10 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:33 good change 13:10:46 i always forget things that need icons 13:11:09 I also want to add one for wardens that are sealing doors/stairs (so you can tell which one is actually sealing things when multiple are onscreen) 13:11:20 but that's harder, since it's not even in their description right now 13:11:48 yeah, there'd have to be a function to check if they're currently sealing something 13:12:42 anyway, lucnhtime 13:12:46 cheers 13:12:51 have fun! 13:13:39 I'm making sack of spiders have a chance of placing and ensnaring monsters in a web trap for those within the radius (LOS / 2 + 2, so usually 6) 13:13:52 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:24 so if anyone has problems or suggestions about that speak up, and we shall commence honorable single combat 13:14:46 !killratio . Asterion 13:14:47 No battles for . and Asterion. 13:14:53 !killratio Asterion . 13:14:55 Asterion wins 0.0% of battles against gammafunk. 13:15:04 just a warning about engaging me in single combat though 13:15:41 sack of spiders is already the strongest item in the game 13:15:46 I'm not sure it needs a buff (though I do love it) 13:16:01 well what this change is about is not buffing/reducing it 13:16:04 it's making it less annoying 13:16:15 ah - so you'd be removing the other webs? 13:16:17 and strongest item in the game, now that's a nice bit of hyperbole 13:16:20 yes 13:16:30 and we can control the chance for placing/ensaring 13:17:34 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]] 13:17:48 in my testing with e.g. 10 evoc is tends to ensare rather infrequently 13:17:58 so I think it's fine (re. the new version) 13:18:16 what you tend to get out of it is that those monsters who do get ensared waste a turn 13:18:21 they break out of webs surprisingly fast 13:18:51 aight 13:19:15 I wonder if, since the weightless change, are monsters triggering traps infrequently? 13:19:27 ? 13:19:35 I removed the dependence on monster inventory weight on triggering traps (yes, that was a thing) 13:19:48 I adjusted the chance accordingly so the results would be "similar" 13:19:48 .... 13:20:11 the chance for a monster triggering a trap used to be based on "total weight" out of a number 13:20:12 have you seen monster::body_weight()? I was talking to marvinpa about it last night 13:20:31 yeah exactly, they used to use monster::total_weight() or just made that from monster::body_weight() 13:20:47 but it iterated over their inventory to get the aum from that 13:21:11 so I made it only use monster::body_weight and changed the denominator of the chance to be lower 13:21:44 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:55 %git :/trap 13:21:56 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1327-g94533af: Make monsters avoid traps while climbing stairs (7749, elliptic) 10(12 hours ago, 3 files, 123+ 118-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94533af89455 13:22:11 Sauken (L27 HuFi) ASSERT(env.map_knowledge(*ri).item()) in 'dactions.cc' at line 337 failed. (Depths:3) 13:22:20 %git b364f15f4eeff0e148b6fc026c01de1327254cd2 13:22:20 07gammafunk02 * 0.15-a0-1058-gb364f15: Don't use inventory weight for the chance of activating a shaft trap 10(3 weeks ago, 8 files, 4+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b364f15f4eef 13:22:28 <|amethyst> !crashlog sauken 13:22:28 6. Sauken, XL27 HuFi, T:132687 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Sauken/crash-Sauken-20140607-182207.txt 13:22:39 yeah it was ::total_weight() 13:22:50 really something 13:22:55 secret orc warlord buffs? 13:23:32 <|amethyst> Sauken's crash is the gold-on-top daction 13:23:34 Sauken (L27 HuFi) ASSERT(env.map_knowledge(*ri).item()) in 'dactions.cc' at line 337 failed. (Depths:3) 13:23:44 I mean, have many warlords had *you* killed by luring it into a trap since that change? suspicious 13:23:46 !tell Grunt [11:12] MgDark You hear mad divine giggling. [11:12] MgDark _ERROR: Triggerable already removed 13:23:46 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 13:24:24 Sauken (L27 HuFi) ASSERT(env.map_knowledge(*ri).item()) in 'dactions.cc' at line 337 failed. (Depths:3) 13:24:34 PleasingFungus: not sure if you're aware, but when you copy irc lines it's also copying some non-ascii or ctrl chars 13:24:46 <|amethyst> those are tabs 13:24:51 ah 13:24:57 oh. they don't show up for me 13:25:07 or... they show up as whitespafe 13:25:09 *space 13:25:28 yeah, Colloquy on OSX used to do stuff like that to me 13:25:38 not a big deal, but maybe there's a setting for it? 13:26:38 googling around a little doesn't find one 13:26:45 is it very annoying? 13:27:06 oh no, I just mention it because you may not be aware of it in stuff you paste about in irc 13:27:16 does it show up in everything I paste? 13:27:25 probably only irc lines? 13:27:34 dang 13:28:05 it also says "(PoopHead)" next to everything you type btw 13:28:23 irc clients editorializing 13:28:29 seems fair 13:31:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:31:34 anyone know off-hand the test to see if a monster is ensared in a web? 13:32:48 <|amethyst> gammafunk: a monster or a monster_info? 13:32:57 ENCH_HELD is involved 13:33:12 is monster_info map information? 13:33:21 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yes 13:33:23 I'm not familiar with that one, but a monster (in LOS) 13:33:43 <|amethyst> for a monster it's the caught() method, but that includes not just webs 13:33:46 <|amethyst> also nets 13:33:50 ah, that's fine 13:33:53 ty 13:34:20 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1336-g4c823bc: Increase the base maxHP loss from Borgnjor's Revivification 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c823bc987d5 13:34:20 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1337-g404cd43: Adjust a message for cancelling Finesse 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=404cd436811b 13:34:20 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1338-g59d57ab: Remove the amulet of rage's (very low) chance to extend berserk duration 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=59d57ab6f0e5 13:34:20 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1339-gb8c3a21: Remove some duplication in monster body weight calculation 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8c3a2151d4f 13:34:20 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1340-g4649f99: Adjust a vampire help message 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4649f9979934 13:34:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1341-g6069264: Add recall icon for convokers 10(3 minutes ago, 7 files, 15+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=606926441a56 13:34:22 one of those great instances where grepping was not very helpful 13:34:22 because of "caught" 13:34:39 dang, borgnerf 13:34:49 <|amethyst> I guess I should clarify: monsterinfo isn't just map info, it's the player's knowledge in general 13:35:07 MarvinPA: why would you take out 'time to rip guts' 13:35:09 :( 13:35:48 <|amethyst> (with monster_info you have MB_WEBBED and MB_CAUGHT flags to distinguish the two) 13:36:07 huge guts 13:36:22 well in this case I know there's a web trap, and there can't be more than one trap feature on the cell, so caught() is good 13:36:46 fr: bring back gut-ripping 13:36:50 <|amethyst> gammafunk: well, what if you throw a net at a monster standing safely on a web? 13:37:05 that's not a trap 13:37:10 -!- DrKe has quit [] 13:37:25 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:37:30 I guess that's a good point still, but caught is still good then 13:37:51 maybe that could have been worded better, that last sentence 13:38:08 it definitely couldn't not have been 13:39:09 yeah I should do an initial caught() check, so good point really 13:39:40 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:39:42 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 13:39:59 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:40:09 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:40:40 <|amethyst> hm 13:40:59 <|amethyst> I wonder if you can cause any crashes by trapping yourself in a net while there's a monster on your square 13:41:02 <|amethyst> or vice versa 13:41:42 <|amethyst> better yet, trapping yourself in a net while there's a webbed monster on your square 13:41:47 <|amethyst> probably bad messages is all 13:41:55 <|amethyst> (currently I mean) 13:42:47 I assume having a monster on your square is attainable only in wiz mode 13:42:57 I've done that a bunch in wiz mode (mostly on accident) 13:43:46 XT....and where did that monster go? Then you move one and "oh, there it is!" 13:45:22 <|amethyst> gammafunk: fedhas and submerged monsters 13:45:34 <|amethyst> Though I doubt submerged monsters can be webbed 13:45:43 <|amethyst> maybe air elementals 13:45:46 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:01 <|amethyst> oh, no, they're insubstantial 13:46:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:06 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:56 -!- Almacia has quit [Client Quit] 13:53:58 |amethyst: is mgen_enum's band_type actually marshalled anywhere? it looks like no, which makes it odd that there are TAG_MAJOR_VERSION blocks... 13:54:39 PleasingFungus: It's quite possible those are there due to paranoia 13:55:01 yes, but I'm too paranoid to remove them without getting someone else to look! 13:55:36 PleasingFungus: Maybe test it? 13:55:39 paranoia is better than carelessness 13:56:02 reaverb: what would I be looking for? I don't know what it would be marshalled for 13:56:03 <|amethyst> but how to test if you don't know whether it would be marshalled 13:56:15 Yes, hmm. 13:56:15 ha 13:56:37 Bloax: We need an excuse to bump tag major version anyway :D 13:56:44 <|amethyst> set a read watchpoint 13:56:51 <|amethyst> except 13:57:22 <|amethyst> that doesn't really work for a struct member unless you know all the instances of the struct 13:57:31 reaverb: besides removing item destruction? :v 13:57:37 is it a struct member? 13:57:39 and weight 13:57:47 and soon-to-be chunks 13:57:47 Bloax: why would those bump tag version? 13:57:48 <|amethyst> oh, right, it's not 13:57:51 <|amethyst> just active_monster_band 13:57:55 Bloax: Do you know what the tag major version tag is? 13:58:02 of course not! 13:58:04 answer: no he doesn't 13:58:55 gammafunk: btw I was thinking of switching chunkless monster dropped jerky with a lower chance of meat rations to reduce "e" presses, how does that sound? 13:59:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: since active_monster_band doesn't appear anywhere near marshalling code, and all the other instances are local variables, it looks fine 14:00:02 I'm gonna bite the bullet 14:00:07 if this ruins everyone's saves 14:00:14 then... we'll have another jorgrun chaos butterfly entry 14:00:16 so, silver lining 14:01:11 yes, I had been thinking the same; I guess it'd be nice if you either kept the same average nutrition or just reduced it by a modest percentage 14:01:21 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:01:30 but I guess we haven't really gotten to that point; I'm still waiting for dpeg to weigh in 14:02:01 gammafunk: Hmm, yes wasn't even considering modifying the average. 14:02:04 <|amethyst> The more I think about it, the more I think dtsund and minmay had a good point about food drops being a problem 14:02:28 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02:30 Yes, crate posted an excellent post on the Tavern about that. 14:02:34 link? 14:02:37 <|amethyst> since it works against the possibility of food being a clock 14:02:53 yeah it was never a bad position on the usage of food, but I think we'd need to remove spell/ability hunger 14:03:03 at least spell hunger, maybe not ability hunger 14:03:14 No reason we can't revert to floor drops :D 14:03:44 PleasingFungus: My browser is being really slow, it's in the chunkless thread I made. 14:03:56 What I personally don't want is no change to the hunger costs with floor-only drops 14:04:53 well you can also reduce rest hunger by cutting into rest duration 14:05:02 ah. yeah, I agreed with crate 14:05:09 which is part of why I stopped work on chunkless 14:05:52 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: wouldn't that be a reason to fork chunkless instead? 14:05:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I mean, status quo has food drops 14:06:01 well crate's point was mostly that the interface isn't much improved 14:06:46 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:51 and that's going to be true either in old or new chunkless 14:06:53 re interface 14:07:12 yeah the effectiveness of food as a cost is not closely related to the interface improvement 14:07:31 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:53