00:00:28 so it still works the same and they're not separate abilities now? 00:01:21 ProzacElf: Well there's no code-side change. Just the icons. 00:02:20 you have animate remains (which raises one guy) until *** and then it gets upgraded 00:02:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-982-g22bbcf6 (34) 00:05:07 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:07:14 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:08 so pretty much the same as it always was 00:17:16 oh wait 00:17:18 yes 00:17:26 no, i'm thinking of the necro spells now 00:17:27 yeah 00:17:29 got it 00:18:32 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-982-g22bbcf6 (34) 00:25:58 -!- category has quit [Client Quit] 00:27:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140520030202]] 00:29:09 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:21 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:35 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:16 -!- reaverb has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:32:21 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 00:33:29 03gammafunk02 07[weightless] * 0.15-a0-896-g7c9c729: Remove inventory limits for large rocks and adjust mulch rates 10(87 minutes ago, 13 files, 8+ 195-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c9c72953c40 00:33:29 03gammafunk02 07[weightless] * 0.15-a0-998-g88715e2: Merge branch 'master' into weightless 10(3 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88715e2698b4 00:33:40 Guess I have to win a Tr now 00:34:05 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:34:43 just figured out the perfect 0.15 subtitle 00:34:48 "Act of God" 00:34:53 heh 00:34:59 it's gonna be real hard 00:35:13 since we're talking new gods, no inventory weight, big food reforms 00:35:23 ontoclasm: Any particualr reason for "Act" 00:35:28 maybe even no item destruction 00:35:31 well the two gods are 00:35:37 natural distasters 00:35:43 i.e. acts of god 00:35:48 and cashgod 00:36:02 ??rebuild 00:36:02 and "act of god" is what you call a natural disaster if you are an insurance guy 00:36:03 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:36:05 ontoclasm1: Yes, I thought Qazlal might be related. 00:36:17 (I know what Act of God is in legalize) 00:37:26 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37:32 Hmm, I've rebased smithgod up to 961a08fe896d 00:38:01 Without the swamp layout, which I've moved to a branch current to Trunk. 00:38:12 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:38:18 Should probably push the swamp layout thing. 00:40:41 Hmm, is making an empy commit explaining what I'm doing with the pubby_swamp a good idea? 00:41:50 Experimental (weightless) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-998-g88715e2 00:42:33 gammafunk: I don't doing "I also changed tomahawks" is the best way of making changes :D 00:42:45 huh 00:42:47 Why didn't you just push that change to Trunk? 00:43:04 Experimental (weightless) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-998-g88715e2 00:43:05 well, I will when I merge the branch 00:43:10 feel free to do so yourself 00:43:37 (not merge the branch, but make the change) 00:43:41 this branch is getting completely rebased anyhow 00:44:47 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:46:10 I will remember to split that commit out in the final rebase though 00:46:21 there will be other fun things to resolve, unfortunately 00:46:28 gammafunk: Sure. I'll let you do it. 00:46:52 gammafunk: Did you hear me say I was rebasing smithgod? Do not complain about "fun things to resolve" on your petty divergences :) 00:47:18 uh huh, now convince me that "smithgod" is more important than inventory 00:47:35 it's such a pain because any breakage completely breaks the game on my side 00:47:40 if you break smithgod, oh well 00:47:53 truthfully though 00:48:02 I think the real breakage will begin if we do immobile corpses 00:49:07 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:18 there shall be save compat fun like, I guess, drop corpses in inventory, which then become immobile 00:49:23 either that or just delete them 00:49:42 gammafunk: I would just wipe them. 00:50:03 well I will generally go for the simple approach (like that) when it's clear nothing bad will happen 00:50:05 -!- kramin has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:50:12 but I need to catalog all the corpse things first 00:50:37 -!- Kramin42 is now known as Kramin 00:50:41 |amethyst often insists on not breaking things, especially when saves are involved, and it's generally a good thing 00:50:57 he likes for us to go the extra mile to not sledgehammer things 00:51:06 gammafunk: What kind of "breaking" are you talking about? 00:51:15 There are many differant kinds 00:51:33 right; just anythign that would create weird corpses or weird inventory items 00:51:38 I'll know when I get there 00:52:04 but the code to e.g. auto-drop rocks and set the limits, was more involved than I'd initially hoped 00:52:14 (and then I got to delete it all!) 00:52:48 with crawl there are just like one thousand corner cases sometimes 00:53:17 but if development were easy, I'm sure I wouldn't do it! 00:53:32 hrm 00:53:43 !function player::could_wield 00:53:44 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player-act.cc;hb=HEAD#l422 00:54:54 ... 00:55:05 first check ignores ignore_transform, second doesn't 00:55:27 and I bet that's related to that bug I saw where notcluie was wielding GSC as a Te 00:55:31 hm. combining lack of inventory weights with new gods... Weighting For God-Ot? 00:55:45 nicolae-: Hmm? 00:56:01 the earlier discussion about the 0.15 subtitle, don't mind me 00:56:19 nicolae-: nice, but does the Ot mean anything? 00:56:23 would be nice if it did 00:56:36 not yet 00:56:44 aha, so that's the next feature then 00:56:46 "something Ot" 00:56:54 *cracks knuckles* we can do this. we can make this pun even more terrible. we have the technology. *six million dollar man theme song plays* 00:56:55 seems as good a development plan as any! 00:57:02 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:57:07 new "Ot" branch, don't care what's in it 00:57:37 or maybe just O, since that's how the original name is pronounced, god-o 00:57:45 well, there's probably more nuance in the vowels, but 00:57:57 "I need vaults for a new game branch that will go in Depths called 'Ot'. And that's all you need to know, nicolae-" 00:58:33 it's zot but with no undead 00:59:17 New branch created: pubby_swamp (4 commits) 00:59:17 03pubby02 {reaverb} 07[pubby_swamp] * 0.15-a0-970-g7e1f1b0: Modify swamp's layout and vaults. 10(4 months ago, 3 files, 211+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e1f1b0d3f54 00:59:17 03pubby02 {reaverb} 07[pubby_swamp] * 0.15-a0-971-ge1b16b6: Guarantee the swamp for testing purposes. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1b16b63125a 00:59:17 03pubby02 {reaverb} 07[pubby_swamp] * 0.15-a0-972-gbeaf734: Make the swamp layout more open. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=beaf734149bc 00:59:17 03reaverb02 07[pubby_swamp] * 0.15-a0-973-g3f89823: An note on this Branch: 10(21 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f8982387b40 00:59:18 or maybe Zot but with *only* joke undead monsters like cobs 00:59:18 also must be joke undead food monsters 00:59:37 hrm, I think those layouts of his 00:59:42 were not even close to prime time 01:00:14 I saw a bunch of swamps with them, and they were terrible 01:00:19 but if you're going to work on them, that's cool 01:00:54 they were just ugly rectangular rooms that generated lots of dead-ends 01:01:18 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:02:10 gammafunk: I didn't know if anybody would want to work on them, I just wanted to move them out of the way. 01:02:45 Although "better than current swamp" isn't really a high bar of quality. 01:03:11 Well, you do need water or it wouldn't be swamp. 01:03:21 Well, swamp layout is not amazing perhaps, but it's not broken; you could remove those layouts to keep the branch focused on the good thing in it, which is the god 01:03:36 I actually like swamp currently 01:03:40 it was my least favorite branch 01:04:11 now spider gets that honor 01:04:35 at least for the water/poison lair branches 01:04:59 Heh, forsaw the "hall of blades" comment. 01:05:29 gammafunk: I still dislike swamp the most, I like spider. 01:05:38 But it might just because I haven't gotten spider much. 01:05:51 Also orb spiders are still slighlty problematic. 01:05:52 yeah, there are quite a range of opinions on there, and diversity of opinions is good imo 01:06:30 reaverb: do you know if N7 is planning more nemelex commits? 01:07:01 gammafunk: I do not believe so. 01:07:15 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:07:16 hrm 01:07:29 But I think Nemelex gifiting multiple decks should be restored before new nemelex is merged with Trunk. 01:07:50 yeah, I need to sit down and look at all those commits and also do some play testing 01:08:01 but won't have time for a while 01:08:10 ...to play Nem again..*sigh* 01:09:26 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11:45 How many commits does 0.15 have so far? 01:11:56 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:22 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:19 -!- Raster_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:16:49 -!- lanbox has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:16:54 %git 01:16:54 07ontoclasm02 * 0.15-a0-982-g22bbcf6: Yred invo icons 10(2 hours ago, 6 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=22bbcf646e87 01:17:00 982 01:17:16 you can also check that version number in build.h 01:17:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:18:44 %git HEAD~982 01:18:45 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-3582-ga67810d: Remove species dummy monsters from vaults (minmay, #8119) 10(8 weeks ago, 14 files, 35+ 82-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a67810d854ab 01:18:50 %git HEAD~981 01:18:51 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-3583-g1d1eca5: Catch one last plain deep dwarf monster. 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d1eca549a33 01:18:55 %git HEAD~980 01:18:56 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-3584-g198c3de: Catch more loose plain deep dwarf monsters 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=198c3de14e86 01:19:01 huh 01:19:06 %git HEAD~975 01:19:07 07elliptic02 * 0.14-a0-3589-gdae4556: Fix amulet of faith prompting twice sometimes when removing it (qw). 10(8 weeks ago, 3 files, 11+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dae4556f83d7 01:19:38 Oh, didn't even realize that was what that number was. 01:20:07 %git 2dfb4df3e3ea08d2b8f6b444750263cdf3279b88 01:20:08 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0: A 0.15 changelog header. 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dfb4df3e3ea 01:20:17 %git 2dfb4df3e3ea08d2b8f6b444750263cdf3279b88~1 01:20:17 07Grunt02 * 0.14-b1: A changelog touch-up to kick off the 0.14 branch. 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90d5cc33569b 01:20:33 %git 2dfb4df3e3ea08d2b8f6b444750263cdf3279b88~2 01:20:33 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-3618-g3331d8b: Purge an extraneous bit from dc-mon.txt. 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3331d8b85e77 01:20:50 calc 3618 - 982 01:20:54 !calc 3618 - 982 01:20:55 2636 01:21:10 only ~2600 more to go >_> 01:21:23 Until we match 0.14? 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02:27:05 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:34:58 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:26 when you stab kill one of those electric monsters in snake, you get recoil, is that intended? 02:35:33 -!- mopl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:52 hi 02:37:05 -!- mopl_ has quit [Client Quit] 02:37:20 -!- mopl has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:41 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:52 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:43:45 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:31 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:54:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:55:58 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:44 -!- Kittykai has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:02 -!- edilaic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:09 -!- Orfax has quit [] 03:12:16 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:37 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:54 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:44 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:27:48 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:16 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37:01 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-983-g6a78101: Let Cherubs buff higher HD holies (wheals) 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a78101f5843 03:40:21 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:41:46 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:43:37 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46:14 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:05 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:50:40 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:58:57 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:58:57 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:55 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:18 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:17:18 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:27 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:48 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:24:14 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:24:47 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:26:51 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:19 Ignite Poison Allies by Roarke 04:28:21 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:19 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31:18 -!- palacebeast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:31:19 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:33 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:39:03 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:47:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:58:10 !messages 04:58:10 (1/3) somebody said (1d 16h 32m 23s ago): It was just cache that gone bad in Fx, it seems. Nothing to worry about. 04:58:14 !messages 04:58:14 (1/2) reaverb said (1d 2h 27m 57s ago): Just made an account (reaver) on CLAN which should be promoted to admin. (So I can do rebuilds). Thank you! 04:58:16 !messages 04:58:17 (1/1) somebody1 said (10h 24m 10s ago): Typos in rc file kill, it appears. :( 04:59:22 !tell reaverb done. 04:59:23 TZer0: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 05:04:57 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:37 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:12:30 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12:54 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:55 phew, c-r-d dealt with 05:12:59 !messages 05:13:00 (1/2) PleasingFungus said (1d 6h 1m 56s ago): I made the no-backtracking writeup https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:proposed_gods&#no-backtracking_god 05:13:03 !messages 05:13:03 (1/1) wheals said (18h 42m 47s ago): ok, sent email to c-r-d 05:17:01 -!- somebody1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:20:15 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:27:17 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:27:52 -!- Assbag has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:36:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:31 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:42:55 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:48 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:49 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:32 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:51:07 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:38 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:53:28 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:22 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:03:09 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:06:43 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:12:35 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:13:52 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:18:33 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:27:15 -!- Kintak has quit [Quit: Kintak] 06:27:56 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 06:30:53 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:32:17 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:38:48 -!- Limulus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55:09 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:55:42 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:58:47 !seen Grunt 06:58:48 I last saw Grunt at Fri May 23 05:20:50 2014 UTC (6h 37m 57s ago) saying '!lg * title=~mort' on ##crawl. 06:59:01 Je suis le petite mort! 07:02:36 talking about La petite mort... 07:03:05 I made a proposal to display titles on akrasiac win table 07:03:41 it's too bad we can only see them on "recent games", and not on winiing characters... 07:04:35 <|amethyst> mopl: let me look 07:05:02 posted it here : https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12305 07:05:04 <|amethyst> mopl: you mean on the player pages? 07:05:10 yep 07:05:51 I think it shouldn't be too hrad technically, because the information appears for recent games, and it could replace the "place" column that isn't used 07:06:01 mopl: yes, seeing title would be good 07:06:09 thx 07:06:19 I don't know who to approach, though. 07:07:01 I mean, you dev made great job for us to have fun farming some nice titles, it's too bad we can't brag about them ;-) 07:09:20 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:12:00 neither r*x nor greensn*rk seem like they're the best candidates to ask. Perhaps wait until |amethyst is around -- he might know who to ask. 07:12:11 <|amethyst> I'm looking at it 07:12:37 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:06 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:12 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:13:29 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:44 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:15:50 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16:21 |amethyst: you rock! 07:17:23 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:20:50 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:53 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:24:53 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:27:23 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:27:47 <|amethyst> okay, player pages are regenerating 07:27:55 <|amethyst> for an example of the change: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/0nan.html 07:28:06 <|amethyst> (the alphabetically first player with a win) 07:29:21 whew! 07:29:45 <|amethyst> It's up to 'Ap' now 07:29:46 <|amethyst> :) 07:30:15 for mopl's games it'll be done by Wednesday! 07:30:41 <|amethyst> !lg * name<'b' x=cdist(name) 07:30:42 215964 games for * (name !lg * name<'mopl' x=cdist(name) 07:30:51 1756191 games for * (name more like half an hour :) 07:36:29 -!- Kintak has quit [Quit: Kintak] 07:37:31 oh great ! 07:37:34 thx a lot 07:37:46 I recently got a chieff of staff you know ;-) 07:41:57 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:05 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:46:06 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:14 -!- lexodia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:47:41 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:51:53 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:52:44 <|amethyst> mopl: okay, your page is updated 07:52:51 <|amethyst> !lg * x=cdist(name) 07:52:52 3265087 games for *: cdist(name)=39461 07:52:59 <|amethyst> over halfway finished :) 07:53:12 wow nice 07:53:16 thx 07:53:43 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:49 -!- asgalath has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:57:08 -!- Bollocks has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:57:12 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:03:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:05:53 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:07:29 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:14:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-984-g806a974: Fix non-cherub battlecries working on higher-HD monsters 10(28 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=806a974ea62b 08:14:40 has anyone ever reviewed the code in mon-project.cc? specifically _fuzz_direction. it doesn't look like a very symmetrically fair fuzzer, because the numbers it calculates for fuzzing, it applies the same number (including its randomized magnitude) to both x and y equally - so it can't achieve all possible fuzzings, and it has certain preferred diagonals. 08:14:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:14:40 Patashu_: perhaps worth a bug report? 08:14:40 well 08:14:40 let me make sure I know what I'm talking about first 08:15:06 ok, the code looks fine now 08:15:12 (as in on a second reread) 08:15:20 good! 08:19:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:27:45 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:30:35 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:31:36 -!- vible has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:06 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:35:58 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:42:49 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:15 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:44:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:14 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:51:55 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:00 !tell gammafunk that weirdness in could_wield is due to trying to preemptively fix future occurences of the bug, though actually because of awful code duplication it's just for display 08:53:01 wheals: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 08:53:26 i think can_wield (but not player::can_wield) is used for actually checking whether you can wield it 08:58:20 -!- ActinalWhomp has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:00 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:02:07 i guess i understand why could and can are separate (an item might be useful but two-handed with a shield being worn right now) but i don't really get the reason for the duplication in item_use 09:05:03 -!- debo has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:05:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:55 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:20 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:42 -!- strat_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:17:37 -!- kramin has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:23:36 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:57 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:58 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:26:18 !seen dpeb 09:26:18 Sorry Grunt, I haven't seen dpeb. 09:26:21 !seen dpeg 09:26:22 I last saw dpeg at Fri May 23 13:15:20 2014 UTC (1h 11m 2s ago) saying 'good!' on ##crawl-dev. 09:26:33 dpleb :( 09:31:44 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:32:42 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:33:15 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:33:47 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:55 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:35:40 hm good discussion of game length 09:35:56 Clearly when I finish up �crawl people are going to love it??? 09:39:01 how micro will it be? 09:39:02 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:39:18 I guess game length was part of why people liked Sprint so much 09:41:33 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:50 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:43:02 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-985-g23b1178: Change Mark's status light colour to LIGHTRED. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=23b1178b0458 09:44:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:45:21 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:45:26 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:46:33 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:46 Who of you guys (especially devs) is reading the forum? 09:50:52 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:51:20 Forum -> tavern? 09:51:26 yes 09:51:27 I look through there on occasion. 09:52:15 (I'm asking because sometimes there are interesting threads, and while I think no dev discussion should take place, or does, sometimes I wonder if I should point out a thread. Either here or on c-r-d.) 09:52:30 I tend to do the former; the latter might be good too :) 09:53:25 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:58 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-986-g41d1c4d: Changelog through 0.15-a0-985-g23b1178. 10(41 seconds ago, 1 file, 15+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41d1c4dd618b 09:58:55 -!- joy199 is now known as joy1999 09:59:11 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 09:59:19 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 09:59:25 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 09:59:32 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:00:03 <|amethyst> !crashlog acwest 10:00:03 7. acwest, XL20 HOWr, T:57237 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/acwest/crash-acwest-20140523-145929.txt 10:00:04 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:00:04 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:00:39 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:01:10 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:01:22 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:01:28 looks like a save load problem? 10:01:29 <|amethyst> has anyone changed anything related to tiles? 10:01:35 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:47 [08:01] |amethyst has anyone changed anything related to tiles? [08:01] -->| ontoclasm (~Samuel@cpe-70-112-253-178.austin.res.rr.com) has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:34 <|amethyst> actually, now that I look closer it might not be tiles at all 10:02:49 <|amethyst> CrawlHashTable::exists (this=0x30, key="item_tile") at store.cc:1349 10:02:52 <|amethyst> this = 0x30 sounds bad 10:02:59 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:04:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08:49 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:39 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:10:01 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/saves/acwest.cs 10:12:54 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:12 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:15:14 Crash on entering Abyss:3 and on subsequent loads by acwest 10:15:40 <|amethyst> this DNGN_UNSEEN cell has flags = MAP_DETECTED_ITEM 10:15:42 <|amethyst> but no item 10:16:32 !lm acwest x=god 10:16:33 4603. [2014-05-23 15:09:37] [god=Gozag] acwest the Bludgeoner (L20 HOWr of Gozag) ? (Abyss:3) 10:16:45 probably not a coincidence 10:16:45 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:18:22 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 10:20:20 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-987-gf040398: Don't waste time casting Animate Dead, usually. 10(22 minutes ago, 3 files, 25+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f040398a199a 10:20:22 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:53 btw, i'm not sure if i missed the correct place for putting such pre-case check code 10:20:54 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:09 <|amethyst> !tell Grunt #8587 seems to be related to Gozag gold detection: there is a mapknowledge cell with MAP_DETECTED_ITEM but no item 10:21:09 |amethyst: OK, I'll let grunt know. 10:21:46 the thing is that the cast_* functions don't get passed check_range personally 10:21:57 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:25 -!- asgalath has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:27:15 <|amethyst> wheals: hm... don't corpses usually end up below the monster's equipment? 10:27:33 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:34 <|amethyst> wheals: seems like the usual case would now be zA -> "You don't see any remains" -> "oh, they had equipment" -> ZA 10:28:39 %bug 8587 10:28:39 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8587 10:29:24 hmmmmmm 10:29:59 <|amethyst> Grunt: the save reproducibly crashes, so you can use a non-optimised build for more debugging information 10:30:01 maybe, i'm not sure that that's worse than the optimal thing being ^X -> not seeing any corpses -> zA anyway 10:31:49 <|amethyst> maybe it doesn't make sense to be unable to see a giant corpse because there's a dart on top of it 10:31:52 <|amethyst> :P 10:32:35 i suppose the reason you can't see everything until you've moved on it is that otherwise you constantly want to xv and/or ^x, though 10:34:02 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:34:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:36:35 <|amethyst> I cannot reproduce #8583 "Petrified bears attack" 10:36:59 <|amethyst> I wonder if maybe the bear was actually "petrifying" instead of petrified 10:37:57 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 10:38:42 that'd be my guess yeah, i can't repro it either 10:41:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:44:17 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:44:46 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:46:59 hmm i just tried to &zorc of destruction 10:47:02 "fr" 10:47:15 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140520030202]] 10:53:39 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 10:57:20 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:55 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:40 orc of destruction (13o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 22-42 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 7 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 511 | Sp: o.destruction (9d11) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:00:40 %??orc sorcerer name:orc_of_destruction n_rpl spells:orb_of_destruction 11:03:14 orb of destruction (16*) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 1000 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm++ | XP: 0 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 11:03:14 %??orb of destruction 11:05:47 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:53 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:10:07 PleasingFungus: Hi! I think slaying/spellpower boosts are a bit simple-minded (will immediately admit that my stat boosts for Chei are as simple-minded :) 11:11:45 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:12:32 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:02 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-988-gc809207: Don't trigger PbD on gold corpses 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c80920707aad 11:17:06 dpeg: yeah, nrook also thought they were pretty boring. I think they could be fun in play - everyone enjoys killing things, after all. 11:17:14 And it's hard to find an effect that isn't too close to what other gods are doing... 11:22:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:23:41 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:08 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 11:24:10 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:18 -!- Bron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:47:51 -!- Bron has quit [Client Quit] 11:47:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:23 -!- tbuck has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:56:43 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:02:29 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:06:12 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:41 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-989-g124c70f: Trog invo icons 10(37 minutes ago, 3 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=124c70fd3209 12:07:01 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-988-gc809207 (34) 12:07:31 PleasingFungus: let me think about it, I am sure there's something with a nifty twist 12:08:09 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:08:11 Sure. Obviously there's no rush here. :) 12:09:13 It might help to solidify the theme a little more - right now the 'time stop' effect is the only one that really links strongly to the conduct, and the others are just nice things that aren't really strongly linked to the no-backtracking mechanic. 12:10:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:11:49 ontoclasm: very metal. finally, trog icons that bloax can approve of? 12:12:19 Yes. I'd like it, if the power fit better with the conduct. 12:13:20 PleasingFungus: hah 12:13:30 blood for the blood god 12:14:38 souls for the soul god 12:14:52 -!- lessens_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:15:09 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140512030202]] 12:15:49 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:16:15 wheals: good one! 12:17:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:16 !seen gammafunk 12:18:16 I last saw gammafunk at Fri May 23 09:26:51 2014 UTC (7h 51m 25s ago) joining the channel. 12:22:08 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 12:24:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:26 skulls for the skull throne will have to wait until i do kiku's 12:24:49 oh, so many metal record covers with skull thrones :) 12:24:54 mm 12:25:15 clearly BiA should just be a picture of eddie the head 12:27:03 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:32:08 This tavern thread ("Tedium and the illusion of lethality") is quite full of folks who think they've invented the wheel by suggesting to shorten the game <3 12:33:07 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:09 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:51:17 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:51:35 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 12:58:20 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58:26 when i finish all these invo icons i'll have to put them in rainbow order and make a big pisture 12:58:31 er, picture* 13:02:16 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:26 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:11 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:50 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:52 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:08:36 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:10:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140512030202]] 13:10:46 !send ontoclasm sunshine and rainbows 13:10:47 Sending sunshine and rainbows to ontoclasm. 13:12:05 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:12:33 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:24:04 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:23 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:16 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:30 Hmm, changing those scroll depth mods to <4 has had a pretty noticable effect. Just electrobranded by falchoin early and read-ID'd a scroll of silence on D:8. 13:29:30 reaverb: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:29:30 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:29:30 It isn't bad. Just more of an effect than I throught it would have. 13:29:34 !source clustering_illusion 13:29:36 Couldn't find clustering_illusion in the Crawl source tree 13:29:45 whew 13:29:48 <|amethyst> silence wasn't affected, was it? 13:29:51 clearly accurate, then 13:30:22 <|amethyst> I'd be more concerned about early Torment and Holy Word 13:30:22 |amethyst: Hmm, actually I think you're correct. Oops. 13:31:00 <|amethyst> (I think brand weapon was only restricted in depth because it used to do LOS damage) 13:31:19 Yeah, it's brand weapon, Troment, and Holy Word. 13:31:51 -!- beef42 has quit [Client Quit] 13:32:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36:39 -!- Raster_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:55 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:37:56 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:23 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:54 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:04 -!- palacebeast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:40:38 sorry for flaky connection :( 13:40:43 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:40:53 dpeg_: oh that's nothing 13:41:25 dpeg_: Yes, it's no problem. 13:42:11 I've disconnected over 30 times over the course of a day a couple of times. 13:42:15 now that's bad 13:44:20 * Grunt zaps a wand. dpeg_'s connection seems more stable. 13:44:44 dpeg_: you can probably put the portable altar of Gozag trailing your nickname away :) 13:45:18 -!- ActinalWhomp has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:37 door at the front, altar at the back! 13:46:42 I don't see a door right now! :) 13:46:54 I know! But we do :) 13:47:01 You open the door. A black draconian annihilator, a vault warden, a deep elf blademaster, and Jorgrun come into view. 13:47:02 (also that's normally Sigmund out front for you!) 13:47:15 oh wait, those are qs 13:47:16 wheals: qpeg??? 13:47:23 s/ annihilator// 13:47:24 s/black.*tor/Tiamat/ 13:47:54 ontoclasm: oh yeah while you're here 13:48:20 You climb downwards. An elephant slug, a hell hog, a deep elf master archer, a queen ant, a basilisk, and a demonic crawler come into view. The demonic crawler gives a hideous shriek! 13:48:41 could you add the branded-swords-have-bluey-blades graphics 13:49:08 also known as https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/shinyswords.png 13:49:09 yay for w slugs! 13:49:14 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:49:17 @ for snails 13:52:09 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:55:07 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:56 -!- Undo has quit [] 14:02:22 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:26 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:05 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11:50 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:30 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:12:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:53 -!- notcluie is now known as notclvie 14:14:08 -!- notclvie is now known as notcluie 14:18:54 -!- anidude has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 14:19:33 -!- ActinalWhomp has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:42 acwest (L20 HOWr) (Abyss:3) 14:22:12 Err, what does Sizzell's message mean? 14:22:40 It's Sizzell desperate call for some love. 14:23:14 reaverb: That's a crash without an error message. 14:23:22 Grunt: Hmm. 14:23:24 (It is that item detection segfault, specifically.) 14:23:31 !crash acwest 14:23:32 18. acwest, XL20 HOWr, T:57237 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/acwest/crash-acwest-20140523-192139.txt 14:25:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:31:36 I suppose I should at least do a workaround for this... 14:36:15 Grunt: Do we know what's causing it? 14:36:29 I have a few theories. 14:39:16 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-990-ga0261e1: Paper over a crash (#8587). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0261e132ed5 14:39:57 Unable to find exit from ziggurat_pillar_centre_j - should i log a bug on this? 14:39:58 Err, why are there two ! there 14:40:02 Don't they cancel? 14:40:08 ldf: Yes please. 14:40:45 reaverb: !! is a long-standing "convert this to bool" shorthand. 14:40:54 Grunt: Ah/ 14:41:14 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 14:42:14 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:59 Hm, any websites for making graphs? 14:44:25 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-991-gb5a4d5e: Make no device heal a normal 3-level mutation. 10(4 hours ago, 6 files, 19+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5a4d5e7b2f3 14:47:21 Heh, TAG_MINOR_NO_DEVICE_HEAL now only checks only for things unlrelated to MUT_NO_DEVICE_HEAL 14:48:58 Wait a minute, is it just me or does that commit look like it make it impossible to heal with devices unless you have MUT_NO_DEVICE_HEAL? 14:49:07 Yeah, I keep re-reading it, but I think it's inverted. 14:49:21 Should be (1 - mut_factor), surely. 14:49:25 wheals: ^ 14:49:31 Error message when entering level by ldf 14:49:46 oops, math 14:49:52 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:50:14 wheals: Also, is there any chance that float should be a double? It's what's normally used. 14:50:31 oh, for some reason i thought floats were, i'll change that 14:50:33 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:50:42 wheals: It seems like you've worked on this mutation me than me now :D 14:50:56 still less than basil 14:50:57 (Also I normally encase any changes to saves in a minor tag) 14:51:17 wheals: Oh, you're probably right. 14:52:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:20 wheals: float :( 14:53:41 Grunt: Are you sad the float is going away or that it exists? 14:53:48 The latter. 14:53:50 maybe this has something to do with coming more from c 14:54:39 On the subject of mutations, I was thinking of making Berserkitis trigger on being knocked to low hp rather than hitting something in melee. 14:54:55 or both, like doomrl 14:55:10 floating-point math is traditionally inconsistent across processors, which is unfortunate when you want reliable, predictable results. 14:55:32 -!- Redz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:38 no idea if that's still an issue these days. 14:56:51 Last I heard there's some kind of tradeoff for consistency in exchange for a speed reduction. 14:58:57 in my defense float is used a lot 14:59:02 seems like mostly older code though 14:59:16 crawl idiomatically tends to use ints as much as possible - so the more traditional approach would probably be something like "int mut_factor = you.mutation[MUT_NO_DEVICE_HEAL]; inc_hp((...) * (3 - mut_factor) / 3;" 14:59:21 there is no defense for your crimes! 14:59:25 !banish wheals 14:59:25 PleasingFungus casts a spell. wheals is devoured by a tear in reality! 14:59:33 I might just be used to working on projects where float is a general Bad Idea™. 14:59:52 i mean on most platforms is there even a difference between them? 15:00:10 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-992-gcc16dbc: When flagging Gozag-detected gold, assert that there's an item there. 10(17 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc16dbc68598 15:00:10 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-993-gdf56bc9: Really fix Gozag gold detection (#8584). 10(17 minutes ago, 3 files, 23+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df56bc9af60c 15:00:10 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-994-gca111f6: De-float some code. 10(78 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca111f6cd7ee 15:00:11 PleasingFungus: but the code duplication cost 15:00:30 oh that works 15:00:32 o 15:00:44 ya 15:01:39 not honestly sure that level 2 of no device heal is meaningfully different from level 3, but w/e. level 1 is in about the place I wanted it to be, and that's going to come up much more often 15:02:19 wheals: So did you make it lvl 3 for consistancy with most mutations, or because it was too strong. 15:02:21 ? 15:02:55 both really, also since i got it too quickly from a wretched star ;) 15:03:48 !send grunt_abyss_rune_wretched_hive wheals 15:03:49 Sending wheals to grunt_abyss_rune_wretched_hive. 15:04:12 also because 2 isn't a root of 27 15:05:11 tbh I'd be happy making more muts 2-level - shoutitis would be another good candidate, maybe 15:06:46 Oh, I was going to rework shoutitis at some point. 15:07:00 ...have it trigger on seeing an enemy instead of randomly. 15:07:33 An ogre comes into view. You shout "WASSUP BRO!" 15:07:51 (bonus points for combining it with that demonspawn taunt patch) 15:08:33 those both sound good 15:08:37 Something else that I've being thinking about for a while: What would people waying to removing the Hall of Blades. 15:08:39 hm 15:08:43 ontoclasm: shinyswords.png when :V 15:08:48 reaverb: replace tukima's lab with hall of blades 15:08:50 Any maybe turning the vault to a Depths vault or something. 15:09:25 PleasingFungus: Yes, also an option. 15:09:40 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:26 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:10:45 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12473 Is this a terrible, terrible idea? 15:11:54 Bloax: Sounds like a decent idea to me, it's just a little odd how frontended Chei is. 15:12:11 !learn s pleasingfungus ghost reform, orb ghosts, unique dialogue, no-backtracking god, more hell entry vaults?, remove fun 15:12:12 pleasingfungus[1/1]: ghost reform, orb ghosts, unique dialogue, no-backtracking god, more hell entry vaults?, remove fun 15:12:18 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:12:22 well you take it easy 15:12:30 I guess it's fine since Gozag ability spam exists and nobody has said it's to problematic. 15:12:52