00:00:16 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:01:27 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.1-7-g74c9c2a 00:01:58 Hmm, Stable could probably be on autorebuild since it updates so rarely. 00:03:28 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:51 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-918-g141a0f8 (34) 00:08:35 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:10:56 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:54 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:35 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14.1-7-g74c9c2a (34) 00:25:35 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:28:18 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:02 For a split second I read "stale branch". <_< 00:30:25 stale branch would be 0.13 or 0.12 00:30:58 0.2 or so IMP. 00:31:02 *IMO 00:31:19 true, true 00:34:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43:54 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:47:50 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53:53 -!- Yezarul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:57:11 -!- Arkaniad|Away has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:41 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 01:01:38 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:13:05 -!- ZombieChicken has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 01:13:11 well, I won a spen of dith 01:13:16 now i don't have to do that again 01:13:35 (todo: spen polytheist?) 01:13:41 (fr spen of Beogh???) 01:13:41 ug 01:18:59 spen of b-god 01:21:28 !lg recent spen won s=god 01:21:29 No games for recent (spen won). 01:21:32 !lg * recent spen won s=god 01:21:33 59 games for * (recent spen won): 22x Dithmenos, 15x Ashenzari, 7x Kikubaaqudgha, 5x Zin, 3x Okawaru, 2x Jiyva, 2x Nemelex Xobeh, Makhleb, Fedhas, Gozag 01:22:14 !lg . sp-- 01:22:15 1. gammafunk the Vexing (L1 SpEn), quit the game on D:1 (minmay_entry_shattered_statue) on 2013-11-30 04:13:52, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:39. 01:22:21 oh, that's a shame! 01:22:37 didn't realize I'd never actually played an sp 01:22:48 well, that count's, won an sp on my first try 01:22:53 s/count's/counts/ 01:23:03 they're quite strong 01:23:16 One does have to beware the food cost, however 01:23:45 Always Be Bewarin' 01:23:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:25:17 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:27:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140517030204]] 01:27:46 -!- notcluie is now known as notclvie 01:28:18 -!- Limulus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:31:04 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:31:54 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:32:23 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:43:37 -!- master_j has quit [Client Quit] 01:46:48 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:18 -!- notclvie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01:48 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:46 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:13:51 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:32 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:58 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:51 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:16:54 -!- rast- is now known as rast 02:17:11 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.1-7-g74c9c2a 02:21:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:22:19 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:24:08 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-918-g141a0f8 (34) 02:29:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:59 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Client Quit] 02:37:41 -!- Blazinghand has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:41 -!- NearlyNeutral has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:41 -!- Vizer has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:41 -!- Lasty1 has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:41 -!- tensorpudding has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:41 -!- minmay has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:41 -!- SpongeJr has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:41 -!- Elsi has quit [*.net *.split] 02:37:43 -!- Elsi_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:01 -!- Elsi_ is now known as Elsi 02:48:01 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:52:00 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 02:52:26 wazzup? 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Iamburgie, XL8 MiBe, T:6297 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 05:14:11 !lg iamburgie grmo-tv 2 05:14:12 No keyword 'grmo-tv' 05:14:15 !lg iamburgie grmo -tv 2 05:14:16 Index out of range: 1 05:16:40 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17:17 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:20:18 -!- fantods has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:22:34 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 05:27:11 -!- Beast_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31:06 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:38 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34:38 -!- zxc2321 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:34:42 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:35:52 -!- Morg0th has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:13 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:45:37 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:47 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:34 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:47:54 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:51:20 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:53:18 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03:06 -!- Fizybubbleh has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:29 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:12:09 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:14:35 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:33 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:18:42 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:15 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:19 -!- rast- is now known as rast 06:27:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:32:37 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:33:49 Why is there no 0.14 available for Android? 06:34:54 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:41:03 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:48:24 -!- Somefellow has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 06:48:50 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:09 -!- Somefellow is now known as Somefello 06:51:03 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:57:42 -!- Somefello has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 06:57:57 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:55 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:00:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:53 !seen reaverb 07:00:54 dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:00:54 I last saw reaverb at Tue May 20 05:43:54 2014 UTC (6h 16m 59s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 07:00:55 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:05 !messages 07:01:06 (1/3) gammafunk said (1w 3d 5h 52m 50s ago): weightless branch created; currently only large rocks have inventory weight, and all other uses of item mass are unchanged (which is probably what we want) 07:01:11 !messages 07:01:11 (1/2) gammafunk said (11h 58m 40s ago): The more I think about not being able to move corpses/skeletons, the more I like how it solves some issues. Do you have any major objections to this? Certain things might need tweaking either now or eventually (maybe gh/simulacra, depending on chunk status) 07:01:33 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:01:35 !messages 07:01:35 (1/1) reaverb said (7h 8m 10s ago): I haven't recieved the WordPress email. It would be nice if you could resend it. 07:04:38 !tell reaverb Done! Check mail again. 07:04:38 dpeg: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 07:05:05 gammafunk: Yes, looks good to me. Can we get a list of all potential uses of corspes (chunks, Fedhas, everything :) 07:05:33 dpeg: yes, it'd be a good idea to do that; maybe I'll get that and put in my crd email 07:06:02 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:06:32 dpeg: one thing I worry about is that we'll in fact encourage a bit more of luring useful monsters around, possibly not so much between levels but within levels, if we prevent corpse movement 07:07:39 I don't imagine of that would really happen, but it's perhaps one argument against immobile corpses 07:07:55 s/happen/happen all that much/ 07:08:13 and s/ of/// 07:08:20 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:09:51 -!- Staplegun is now known as sgun 07:15:54 gammafunk: depens on how fast the corpses rot & disappear. In any case, definitely worth thinking and talking about. 07:16:58 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:18:37 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-920-g2f857d4: Revert "In tutorial mode, directly show the special help screen when pressing "?"." (#5347). 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f857d4d6532 07:18:37 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-921-gf34309e: Synchronize headers of options_guide.txt and init.txt (#6627). 10(10 hours ago, 2 files, 105+ 101-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f34309edb6f5 07:18:37 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-922-gc4f606c: Explain item colours in init.txt (#4043). 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4f606c4afae 07:18:37 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-923-g8aeb110: Spoil a secret tech (#309). 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8aeb110228f9 07:18:37 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-924-g2131f39: Clarify vampire chopping prompt slightly (#8513). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2131f39fb7b3 07:19:03 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:20:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:12 -!- 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##crawl-dev 09:06:12 Rassilon (L6 FoFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 09:06:29 jike (L14 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:8) 09:07:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:13 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:09:47 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10:56 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:16 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:57 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:15 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:54 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24:16 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:44 -!- Pepe has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 09:26:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27:29 <|amethyst> Well, that was exciting 09:27:36 <|amethyst> computer died yesterday 09:28:10 <|amethyst> And in the process of replacing it I got to deal with secure boot crap... 09:28:37 <|amethyst> The thing wouldn't even boot with my video card, let alone boot to my Linux drives 09:29:03 <|amethyst> but working now, except for the crappy keyboard and only one ethernet card 09:32:06 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:56 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:06 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:39 oh no 09:37:44 |amethyst's computer: don't die 09:37:49 -!- somebody has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:38:23 rip 09:38:38 <|amethyst> the hard drives are all fine so no big loss 09:38:44 <|amethyst> other than a bunch of hair I tore out yesterday 09:39:04 !send |amethyst a potion of restore hair 09:39:04 Sending a potion of restore hair to |amethyst. 09:39:31 ??lugafu 09:39:32 hair stats[1/1]: extremely bad hair <10, awful hair <30, poor hair <60, choko hair <90, normal hair <120, quite good hair<160, very nice hair<220, extreme hair<300, extraordinary hair <400, incredible hair <520, uncanny hair <700, almost entirely hair >=700 09:39:34 <|amethyst> The comb-over attacks! 09:40:29 I'm hanging around there at 120-180 09:42:45 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:55 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:28 I think mine is also around 160ish. 09:45:07 but it has rComb... seriously, my hair is pretty much solid once it has a shape after washing it. 09:46:02 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:03 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:43 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:47:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:52:14 -!- Tenda has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55:48 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:46 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:01 -!- 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has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:15:54 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:34 -!- Porost has quit [Client Quit] 10:19:21 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:39 perhaps the problem lies in the fact that submerged melee monsters are a thing 10:21:18 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21:43 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:49 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Excess Flood] 10:21:57 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:22:06 -!- rast- is now known as rast 10:24:31 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:20 As I keep suggesting, submerged monsters are fine but they should never re-submerge, imo (can make an exception for rare and dangerous monsters like kraken) -- if they've exposed themselves to you, they should fight and die 10:29:10 dpeg: funny as it is, krakens never submerge whilst harmless things like swamp worms and sharks do 10:29:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:31:04 Bloax: yes, I know 10:31:36 It is one of those things were a little rule change would improve everything but we're trying to do the most relevant changes first :) 10:31:40 <|amethyst> the reason being that krakens can still attack you when you're two squares away from the water 10:34:23 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:43 |amethyst: yes, I know. But there must be better solutions... 10:36:12 <|amethyst> more electric eels, fewer big fish :) 10:36:35 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37:18 <|amethyst> i.e. the problem isn't submerged melee monsters, but water-bound melee monsters 10:37:30 <|amethyst> s/problem/ultimate problem/ 10:38:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:40:22 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:41:12 <|amethyst> or, at least, I get the impression that trapdoor spiders and air elementals aren't so bad 10:42:23 |amethyst: I agree. But let's leave that until the current changes are established. 10:46:09 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:29 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:20 air elemental message spam is annoying 10:50:27 they seem to hide and un-hide and re-hide multiple times per turn 10:50:36 or that's what it feels like... 10:50:40 aside from that they're fine tho 10:50:50 submerging is fairly buggy, yeah 10:51:15 no, I'm talking about air elementals, not trapdoor spiders 10:51:19 8) 10:51:27 also they're very fast so if they hide every other turn that means they will often hide more than once on your turn 10:54:59 air elemental (15E) | Spd: 25 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 15 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 223 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 10:54:59 %??air elemental 10:55:07 dang 10:55:23 good for polyself speedruns 10:59:28 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140517030204]] 10:59:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:48 -!- axecop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:58 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:03:00 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:06:36 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-928-g8b5c27d: Reduce no device heal's weighting somewhat. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b5c27d78c0b 11:07:18 -!- Fizybubbleh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:03 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:50 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:58 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14.1-7-g74c9c2a 11:21:59 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 11:22:16 wheals: Ha, do you have any games hit by no device heal? 11:22:16 reaverb: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:22:58 I knew 7 was a little on the high side but I figured I couls reduce it later. I haven't heard any complaints though. 11:23:01 !messages 11:23:02 (1/1) dpeg said (4h 18m 24s ago): Done! Check mail again. 11:23:36 reaverb: can you access wordpress now? 11:23:53 dpeg: Haven't tried, got the email 11:23:57 ok, cool 11:30:22 -!- predator117 has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:30:44 (I can access wordpress btw) 11:31:07 I changed the name of the learndb link to "learndb" because it was "knowledge bots" which doesn't make much sense. 11:31:21 good! 11:33:51 -!- jameyd has quit [Client Quit] 11:33:51 <|amethyst> Hm 11:34:16 <|amethyst> the /r/roguelike link is good, but there's also an /r/dcss now 11:34:33 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:34 <|amethyst> I mention this rather than linking it myself because you're logged in and I'm not 11:34:36 <|amethyst> :) 11:36:58 Exercise Fighting when hit by Sandman25 11:39:28 <|amethyst> !tell n78291 Added you to the secret mailing list and gave your dgl account admin access on CSZO and CAO. You can use your dgl account to download save backups and to trigger rebuilds 11:39:31 |amethyst: OK, I'll let n78291 know. 11:39:31 reaverb: I got hit by no device heal 11:39:41 and I was not happy with you to say the least 11:39:53 gammafunk: Ha, lvl 1 or 2 11:40:01 only lv1, and on a Tr 11:40:07 so no real cause to complain I guess 11:40:13 <|amethyst> my computer breaks for one day and now we have San Antonio, Texas on the dev team 11:40:44 yes, the entire zipcode just joined the team 11:40:58 a lot of new devs 11:41:05 <|amethyst> !tell n78291 You should add yourself to https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 11:41:06 |amethyst: OK, I'll let n78291 know. 11:45:29 |amehtyst: do you want me to change the link to DCSS or just have both DCSS and roguelikes 11:45:45 <|amethyst> reaverb: I think both 11:45:50 reaverb: definitely not change; add is fine. 11:45:51 <|amethyst> not sure which to put first though :) 11:47:00 May I ask u guys something? 11:47:22 sure 11:47:27 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: you just did, and you're welcome to again :) 11:47:29 Like is it possible to donate to the dev team? 11:47:37 no! :) 11:47:41 <|amethyst> the dev team isn't a legal entity 11:47:43 -!- axecop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47:48 <|amethyst> you could donate to individual devs 11:47:49 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:47:55 so its not like dwarf fortress? 11:47:57 <|amethyst> but some (like myself) refuse to take money :) 11:48:01 |amethyst: what is this? :) 11:48:10 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: Dwarf Fortress is just one guy (and his brother) :) 11:48:13 Fizybubbleh: indeed, no-one is making money on this. 11:48:15 like what is the motivation to keep adding stuff etc 11:48:22 or to make it bigger 11:48:25 <|amethyst> because it's fun 11:48:40 because it's possible 11:48:43 thats awesome :) i imagine that it consumes a huge amount of time 11:48:49 Fizybubbleh: the fact that no money is involved makes it easier, for example to carry out radical decisions 11:48:51 Fizybubbleh: In many ways DCSS developement is more fun than DCSS 11:48:52 and ud want something so u can manage it 11:49:33 ya im a new player just started a month and only recently started reading into the development etc. Its rly interesting 11:49:41 the downside is that the code is actively hostile to any human involvement ;P 11:49:42 Fizybubbleh: If you donate to me, I'd rename dcss to dungeon crawl bubbleh 11:50:02 Fizybubbleh: there's lots of ways you can help, with or without coding... that is always appreciated. 11:50:04 I didnt mean to offend anyone 11:50:13 <|amethyst> we have probably a dozen active devs, so the burden on any one individual isn't so great 11:50:15 with the money thing, btw i just wanted to ask 11:50:41 all the incoming money is shared by Zin and Gozag who frequently argue about how to spend it 11:50:43 <|amethyst> except maybe Grunt, who has twice as many commits as anyone else these days :) 11:51:01 going to start advertising vanity monsters for $100 11:51:22 Get a custom unique for $500. 11:51:30 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: the only thing that really costs money are the servers 11:51:50 Do u guys need help with those? 11:52:08 so far all server admins refused to take money either 11:52:24 im rly impressed :) 11:52:50 Can I ask a wiki related question? 11:53:01 !send |amethyst commits 11:53:02 Sending commits to |amethyst. 11:53:12 <|amethyst> If you want to spend money to improve crawl, hire somebody to work on crawl full time :) 11:53:23 <|amethyst> not necessarily one of us, fresh blood is good too : 11:53:24 <|amethyst> ) 11:53:25 !send gammafunk appropriate compensation 11:53:26 Sending appropriate compensation to gammafunk. 11:53:35 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: which wiki? 11:53:36 nah I thought there would be donations 11:53:48 I have yet to see a rogue like or something similiar without a donation system 11:53:52 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:start this one! 11:54:02 <|amethyst> ah, then yes 11:54:15 most of the pages havent been modified for like 2 years. Are those still being updated? 11:54:30 I was trying to find the discussion for dith for example but it wasnt there 11:54:33 <|amethyst> probably not 11:54:44 <|amethyst> the dev wiki is only sporadically used 11:54:49 dith was discussed mostly on tavern 11:54:55 and by the demons in grunt's head 11:55:04 I use the devwiki! :) 11:55:13 so the discussions are no longer on that wiki? 11:55:15 like main ones 11:55:19 yes i saw ur name a lot :D 11:55:38 Fizybubbleh: discussions don't really take place on the wiki. But once something is settled and not immediately implemented, the wiki is a very way to store ideas. 11:55:39 it really depends on where the proposal comes from, who's implementing it 11:55:46 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: places to follow: dev wiki, crawl-ref-discuss mailing list, here, and of course the commit logs 11:55:48 True, many of them will never materialise, but some do. 11:56:00 For example, I maintain the randgod design there. 11:56:02 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: occasionally game-design-discussion on the Tavern 11:56:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:56:07 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:56:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:38 So if GDD caughed up something decent, I used to encourage folks to put it on the wiki. 11:57:22 Fizybubbleh: but if you want to discuss some idea you have, then the wiki is bad. Probably best to go to the forum. Or ask here if it's simple stuff. 11:57:40 nah I just wanna see how u guys think of the game etc and the changes 11:57:55 I am not sure how much I am allowed to talk here am i disturbing something? 11:58:01 Ok, I made a new "Reddit Communities" catagory on the Wordpress site with both the Rougelike and DCSS reddits. 11:58:16 reaverb: great! 11:58:31 Fizybubbleh: not much going on atm, so no 11:58:38 <|amethyst> reaverb: thanks 11:58:58 Grunt and I were playing pong 11:59:07 Grunt: | o 11:59:24 <|amethyst> I prefer Breakout 11:59:25 <|amethyst> [][][][][][][] 11:59:28 <|amethyst> o 11:59:31 <|amethyst> ____ 11:59:31 I was asking something in the crawl main irc actually. I was wondering if removing the annoyances in crawl is the best way 11:59:31 nice 11:59:40 since its kinda makes the game simpler 11:59:49 like item destruction and so on 12:00:05 Fizybubbleh, the question is whether it makes the game easier 12:00:08 gammafunk: some Christmas (2000 or so?), the Chaos Computer Club let you play pong on a house (each window was one pixel) 12:00:13 ya thats what i was thinking 12:00:15 Fizybubbleh: Are you suggesting keeping item destruction or so on? 12:00:23 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: I'm a lot more conservative than most of the dev team about those things, but keep in mind that the game gets more complex in other ways 12:00:30 Im new I dont know much I only won 4 times. 12:00:33 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: the natural tendency is towards more complexity 12:00:41 dpeg: yeah, I've seen stories about games played on building windows and such, it's pretty cool 12:00:58 gammafunk: I saw a couple play by mobile.... so impressive 12:01:07 Fixybubbleh: Heh, I only have 1 win. 12:01:11 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: so while I might not be so gung-ho about removing item destruction, I don't think there's any risk of it oversimplifying the game :) 12:01:27 Ya there was a tendancy in the games i played for them to get easier to allow them to be more accessible and cause ppl didnt like the dificulty in those games 12:01:35 i worried crawl was going that place but crate etc , told me no 12:01:49 I wanted to ask if i am misunderstanding the changes 12:02:20 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-929-g159be80: Re-enable layout_onion_interference after a lot of rewriting. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 26+ 88-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=159be80bc085 12:02:26 "sry for the spam" 12:02:41 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: I think the big reason for most of the recent removals is to reduce tedium and reduce annoyance 12:02:50 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14.1-7-g74c9c2a 12:03:07 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:40 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: where I'm not sure "annoyance" is well-defined, but killing the player doesn't count as annoyance :) 12:04:16 with the removal of item destruction what will replace it? 12:04:26 Fixybubbleh: There's been a bunch of discussion on item destruction, you can find it on c-r-d or the Tavern. 12:04:30 Fizy 12:04:36 Fizybubbleh: we are working on three rule changes: items have no weight (==> no Burdened etc.); most species eat permafood only (like 0.14 Spriggans); monsters don't pick up items. 12:04:42 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: Ozo's Refrig now gives you a "no potions" status 12:04:55 spawning less items is one suggestion 12:05:02 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:19 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: something similar could apply in some but not necessarily all cases 12:05:26 Of these, the food change can make the game harder. Weightless and monpickup make the game more convenient and also easier. 12:06:05 i can imagine the food changes will be big for casters 12:06:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:16 weightless might lead to item destruction removal, but there are some ideas how to add item denial in other ways 12:06:24 weight going away seems like a big problem is off the players shoulder which i dislike 12:06:44 Since it was something that required to carry the only most essential gear 12:06:53 Fizybubbleh: 52 item cap is more relevant and nicer on the interface 12:07:34 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-929-g159be80 (34) 12:07:41 unless you have very low str weight cap didn't restrict you to the most essential gear 12:08:15 the only time i've ever really felt i need to drop useful things to meet the weight limit was felid, really 12:08:30 then what will the point of str be? just how heavy armour u can use? 12:08:41 damage! 12:08:57 well it actually affected me in evokables since I couldnt carry them al 12:08:58 all 12:09:05 str affects damage? 12:09:17 always did, in 0.14 more than before 12:09:24 (or was that already 0.13, I forget) 12:09:26 str[1/4]: Strength reduces penalties from wearing body armour; see {aevp}. Strength increases carrying capacity by 21 per point. Has some sort of effect on {launcher damage}. 12:09:32 isnt there in the learn db :( 12:09:40 i started during 0.14! 12:09:43 <|amethyst> ??str[2] 12:09:44 str[2/4]: *Base* melee weapon or mainhand unarmed damage is effectively multiplied by (39+random2(x-11)*2)/39 if x > 11, and multiplied by (39-random2(9-x)*3)/39 if x < 9. x is between str and (str+dex)/2, depending on the weapon's strength weighting. 12:10:13 aah 12:10:51 i thought the first entry had everything my bad. 12:11:10 <|amethyst> That's what the "[1/4]" means :) 12:11:20 <|amethyst> that it only has 1/4 of the stuff :) 12:11:34 -!- somebody1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:01 usually thats jokes etc 12:13:22 in my experience at least 12:13:35 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:23 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:36 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:51 Fizybubbleh: if you're concerned that Crawl becomes too easy (sounds a bit like it): don't worry 12:15:45 <|amethyst> I do worry a little about crawl becoming too much of a "tactical combat simulator" 12:15:52 <|amethyst> but only occasionally 12:16:20 <|amethyst> and it gets a lot of new non-tactical stuff too, so I usually don't stay worried for very long 12:16:49 its a very fun game 12:17:10 Can you tell me about like long term plans :D what are u guys aiming for? 12:17:33 <|amethyst> (got to go for a bit, election day here) 12:18:30 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:20 |amethyst: well, I am trying to insert strategy wherever I can. I know what you mean, of course. 12:19:54 Fizybubbleh: 0.15 plan on the wiki has some things. 12:20:05 Fizybubbleh: there is no masterplan. You can have a look at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.15_plan and Future Versions. 12:21:38 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:39 The discussion on attack speed, mindelay is very interesting actually 12:22:51 il need to look at it later when im not studying transistors 12:23:23 but like where would i view this : New Nemelex (78291, reaverb) Non-Scummy Piety rules, Plenty of New Unique Cards, other minor changes — in the new_nemelex branch. 12:23:29 if its not in the god feed back discussion 12:23:36 unfortunately, that was galehar's project who is on hiatus 12:23:55 Fizybubbleh: new Nemelex never was in the devwiki 12:24:09 78291 made everything on his own 12:24:27 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:49 is there any way to see what he planned or did? 12:26:49 I think he's done. There was some discussion about removing Nemelex outright (that you can read via c-r-d), and in order to save Nemelex, 78291 uploaded his patches to Mantis. 12:29:31 -!- thedefinite has quit [Client Quit] 12:30:03 I thought ppl liked him 12:30:08 I just signed up 12:30:32 Fizybubbleh: Just got the local git repoistory and look at the "new nemelex" logs 12:33:16 -!- serge has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:33:35 Fizybubbleh: that's not about like or dislike (see Mountain Dwarves). 12:35:36 not sure how to read this http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/new_nemelex 12:35:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:29 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:15 Fizyblubbleh: Each ot these lines "Only�have�Chei�block�part�of�the�Velocity�card's�effects" is a change somebody made to new nemelex. The most recent changes are at the top. 12:39:11 I just one had my most intense labyrinth ever. 12:39:17 -one 12:39:27 ooh 12:39:36 i found it in the mailing list which is good 12:40:13 yes, the mailing list explains why some devs want to remove Nemelex, and others don't 12:40:22 dpeg: How can a Lab be "intense" ? Those are even more turn based that the rest of the game. :D 12:40:29 Gtis are hard to read for me 12:42:55 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-930-gf516d64: Recolour Abyss portals to ETC_WARP 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f516d6448db1 12:42:56 -!- axecop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:43:27 reaverb: somehow Thurston managed to die there, and his ghost spawned right when I was next to the minotaur. I had to use potion petition twice, go for a set with lignifation the second time, and managed to get rid of Thurston by switching to Psyche's dagger (which turned out to be distortion). As a tree :) 12:44:28 dpeg: Hmm, so you had an intense fight at the end of a Lab. I'm going to guess Thruston died to the Minotaur. 12:44:36 <|amethyst> FR: add a branch where turns have a 5-second timeout 12:44:41 (That does sound like a fight) 12:44:50 <|amethyst> I guess that would be unfair to some of our disabled users 12:44:52 I wish I could read gits from old to new 12:44:58 |amethyst: Toureny contact. 12:45:55 reaverb: solving the maze never takes long for me. The new monsters are welcome (and make me change direction sometimes.) 12:46:05 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:33 Yes, I've teleport a couple times in Labs because I could not find a way out of an area and was getting bored. 12:47:06 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:28 reaverb: I never do that. I do use /digging and /disint, though. 12:49:34 depg u and mr green liek to remove stuff i see :P 12:49:51 -!- Redz has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:50:40 Fizyblubbleh: That sentance is incomprehsible. 12:51:19 That sentence is incomprehensible, but true nonetheless! 12:51:22 From what I have read dpeg and gammafunk like to remove stuff :P 12:51:33 Im sick atm so forgive my high typing 12:52:11 <|amethyst> Lots of people like removing stuff; some are more ambitious than others :) 12:52:45 Like food is very important in spell casting I think 12:52:57 I'm very happy 0.15 has removed like 10 monsters without adding a single one. 12:52:58 Or like I run into food problems when I am not careful with my spells 12:53:09 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: The change will probably make Spellcasting skill more important 12:53:16 Fizybubbleh: We have already considered those problems. I proposed a solution yesturday. 12:53:35 reaverb: will I run into it in the mailing list? 12:53:49 "am I bothering u guys with all these questions, Im bad at taking hints" 12:53:50 No, you would need to read the ##crawl-dev logs. 12:54:15 <|amethyst> ??crawl-dev 12:54:15 I don't have a page labeled crawl-dev in my learndb. 12:54:19 <|amethyst> ??##crawl-dev 12:54:19 ##crawl-dev[1/1]: The IRC channel for Crawl development and design. Many but not all devs frequent the channel. To join, "/join ##crawl-dev". Logs are at http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ . 12:54:23 Fizybubbleh: I would prefer if you tried to find the answers to your questions a bit more before asking, I can't speak for anybody else. 12:54:35 <|amethyst> ??##crawl-dev 12:54:36 ##crawl-dev[1/1]: The IRC channel for Crawl development and design. Many but not all devs frequent the channel. To join, "/join ##crawl-dev". Logs are at http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ . 12:54:37 !learn add crawl-dev see {##crawl-dev} 12:54:37 crawl-dev[1/1]: see {##crawl-dev} 12:54:41 ??crawl-dev 12:54:41 ##crawl-dev[1/1]: The IRC channel for Crawl development and design. Many but not all devs frequent the channel. To join, "/join ##crawl-dev". Logs are at http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ . 12:54:47 reaverb: understood sry. 12:55:09 Fizybubbleh: DCSS prides itself with a nerf & cut culture (of course, lots of new stuff gets added, too). I think this is very healthy -- had we been only adding content since DCSS 0.1, it'd be horrible, in all regards. 12:55:36 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: I wouldn't worry about it too much, devs have a hard time following all the discussion too :) 12:56:04 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:35 Ya thats why I am asking its a mess :P 12:57:03 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:57:03 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:57:07 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:57:12 -!- rast- is now known as rast 12:57:25 Maybe I should try to revive that "c-r-d email describing what ##crawl-dev has been discssing recently" tradition. 12:57:38 reaverb: it is too much work, nobody can do it. 12:57:51 dpeg: By which I mean "Maybe I should try to do it" 12:58:34 and the git list wasnt a friendly sigh when i opened it. 12:58:38 sight* 12:58:54 ##crawl-dev has the advantage of being lightning quick, but that is also its drawback. If something interesting and possibly contentious comes up, then write a short c-r-d mail about (you could even copypaste ##crawl-dev). That is much easier than writing excerpts. 12:59:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140512030202]] 12:59:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:59:12 dpeg: Hmm. 13:00:22 reaverb: You see, in either case we want the "public" (==c-r-d, so at least interested devs) to be informed. There is no need to compile all the interesting topics that where discussed here. Suffices to restrict to few, short mails about topics that actually mean something right now (a drastic change, a really cool idea etc.) 13:00:48 We should hire someone for excerpt writing :) 13:00:50 dpeg: Hmm. 13:00:51 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: But it's the only way to know exactly what has changed... otherwise you have to wait for Grunt to update the changelog.txt :) 13:01:06 I hope I'm not the only one that does that :( 13:01:23 Grunt: you are not. 13:01:35 Grunt: I've done it occasionaly, should probably do it a bit more. 13:01:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:02:04 Grunt: You are just very quick, which means that you're the first one to notice missing items, and then going to do something about it :) 13:03:11 back in the day, the changelog was only written at the end of the cycle -- these whippersnappers with their new, elevated standards :P 13:05:02 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:06:29 I think I killed Donald Offscreen with LRD, then he came onscreen still alive...at least I faced Donald...and all his equipment was on the ground already like he'd already died. IDK. 13:06:56 I could put it on Mantis, but I'm not exactly sure what happened? 13:07:21 Bcadren: Was this online? 13:07:53 no offline stable. 13:08:32 it could just be he picked up a two-handed weapon and dropped his shield I guess, I just noticed there was already a loot pile that looked like his before I fought him 13:08:32 I might join u guys just to compile everything into a neat list 13:08:38 Dunno if u guys want that thou 13:08:43 Bcadren: I'm going ot assume it was that. 13:09:05 <|amethyst> Donald probably should consider anything one-handed a "signature weapon" 13:09:09 <|amethyst> so he won't drop his shield 13:09:17 -!- somebody1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:09:19 Fizybubbleh: If you manage to make a system that keeps everybody informed that would increditble. 13:09:38 There was a loot pile that looked like his (Shield of Reflection, Mundane robe, Flaming Scimitar) though it was in the middle of a bunch of naga kills...so... 13:09:54 <|amethyst> Bcadren: what was he wielding when you killed him? 13:09:54 What I can imagine is a long list of all changes + addition history 13:10:13 and maybe a summary of what has been discussed for the day 13:10:17 in a few lines 13:10:25 He died with a BattleAxe of Freezing and a Plate Armour, I think. I can't confirm I already animated his skeleton so I don't know which pile is his. 13:10:45 Would you guys like that? 13:11:08 and then each days changes can be sent in one email on that list 13:11:26 <|amethyst> Bcadren: yeah, I think he dropped his scimitar and shield to let him wield the battleaxe, then he had room for the armour so wore that 13:11:33 <|amethyst> oh 13:11:34 <|amethyst> Bcadren: oh 13:11:41 <|amethyst> Bcadren: actually, he would have started with the plate 13:12:03 <|amethyst> Bcadren: so the robe was probably left behind by the naga whose axe he took 13:12:25 Fizybubbleh: sure, it sounds good. But don't underestimate the effort behind this. 13:12:50 Ya if this were to happen. Id need at least week and then Il have free time to plan it :P 13:12:50 I put up a discussion of introducing new enhancer rings in CYC, most of them were shot down, but people seemed to like the idea of making a common 'Ring of Enchantment' type (Charms/Hexes Enhancer; MR-). "It makes you better at casting enchantments, but weaker to hostile ones." (thoughts?) 13:12:53 |amethyst, Bcadren: sounds like a criminal investigation 13:13:11 <|amethyst> CSI: the Vaults 13:13:19 I wish google doc had spoiler tags.. 13:13:23 -!- somebody2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:30 |amethyst: is there a function which checks if a weapon is one_handed? 13:13:33 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:13:33 <|amethyst> Fizybubbleh: white on white :) 13:13:37 <|amethyst> reaverb: looking into it now 13:13:42 |amethyst: Ah. 13:13:54 hands_reqd or something 13:14:03 Bcadren: I am not really sure that more enchancers are needed, but these two at least have appropriate drawbacks 13:14:06 ya next week Il talk to someone with a plan on how to do it 13:14:08 Bcadren: It's a mini robe of folly. I think there's a reason it's an artefact but not a ring. 13:14:14 if u guys are interested in someone to compile changes 13:14:29 <|amethyst> reaverb: monster::hands_reqd 13:14:50 It's mostly because there aren't any Charms enhancers at all and Hex Enhancers are artifact only. 13:14:51 |amethyst: Do you want to implement it or should I? 13:15:05 <|amethyst> reaverb: already on it :) 13:15:37 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:25 Are there any pressing concerns before new nemelex could be merged into Trunk? I think I'll revert the "one deck" change for a while beforehand but I don't want to caught offguard. 13:16:51 What exactly is happening to Neme? 13:17:02 Bcadren: Not a ##crawl-dev question really. 13:17:57 Where is the info then? 13:18:13 (??git)/(mailing list) 13:18:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:13 -!- andrewhl has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:48 Bcadren: The new nemelex Tavern thread, ##crawl, c-r-d, the new nemelex commit logs, the reddit thread, the learndb, and SA thread all have discussion of new nemlex. 13:23:28 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-931-g705479a: More improvements to layout_onion_interference. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=705479ace8fb 13:23:31 Nemelex, the god people talk about 13:23:42 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:44 btw, I don't get emails for commits anymore -- what about others? 13:23:51 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-932-g6528663: Don't let Donald use 2H weapons. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=652866374e57 13:24:10 dpeg: I think you can change that in your mailing list options. 13:24:28 <|amethyst> (that doesn't prevent him from being created with a 2H weapon should you want to do so in wizmode, but it will keep him from switching to one when he has a 1H) 13:24:53 reaverb: I never changed anything in my mailing list options, that's the point 13:25:02 <|amethyst> I'm not subscribed to that list 13:25:07 dpeg: Maybe the defaults changed. 13:25:25 reaverb: that would have happened somewhen between yesterday and today 13:25:29 I don't know, I never realized you could get mail for each commit message. 13:25:45 dpeg: If it's been just a couple days maybe there's just a pipeline hiccup. 13:25:46 |amethyst: good commit 13:25:47 It's how I keep up with development. 13:25:53 <|amethyst> dpeg: the last thing I see on crawl-ref-commits is from 2014-05-19 13:26:00 <|amethyst> %git ed53e02f 13:26:00 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-898-ged53e02: Replace War Chants with Battle in old saves. 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed53e02fb03e 13:26:12 yes, I got that one 13:26:14 <|amethyst> dpeg: I think you can subscribe to notifications on gitorious 13:26:29 <|amethyst> I'm not sure how crawl-ref-commits even gets updated 13:26:39 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26:42 You don't understand: I am getting these emails for years now. It just stopped a few hours ago. 13:26:51 |amethyst: ah, I see 13:27:05 <|amethyst> dpeg: It's not just you; that's the last one in the archive on the sourceforge website 13:27:19 Yep, sounds like a pipeline problem 13:27:32 |amethyst: thanks for this. I will wait a while (perhaps they come in some big chunk), and if not, I will look into gitorious mailing. 13:29:15 <|amethyst> !learn edit tournament[1] s/will run/ran/ 13:29:15 tournament[1/4]: The 0.14 tournament ran from 20:00 UTC Apr 11 to 20:00 UTC Apr 27. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.14/ Leaderboard (with nchoice list): http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.14/overview.html 13:29:39 <|amethyst> %git 0.15-a0 13:29:39 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0: A 0.15 changelog header. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dfb4df3e3ea 13:30:03 <|amethyst> %git master@{11 april} 13:30:03 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-133-g953de00: Remove hammers (ChrisOelmueller). 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=953de009a2c4 13:30:12 <|amethyst> %git master@{1 month ago} 13:30:12 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-187-g0bb430c: Allow entering tree form while in poison/meph clouds, add messaging 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 13+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bb430c4f6b3 13:30:24 <|amethyst> 750 commits in a month 13:30:29 <|amethyst> I think 0.15 might come early 13:30:40 <|amethyst> (or be really dig) 13:30:45 <|amethyst> s/dig/big/ 13:30:52 |amethyst: we did land two major branches during that time! 13:31:50 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:42 Our weight watcher returns! 13:36:59 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:38:06 I would be nice if we could move April Fools off toruney season. 13:38:50 <|amethyst> We could aim for a release in August 13:39:07 <|amethyst> since college summer break is the best time for a lot of people to play 13:40:57 alright, why not? 13:41:56 <|amethyst> DCSS 0.15: "Skinny Pope" 13:42:53 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:48:19 -!- somebody1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:51:52 hm, sif just gave me a white book 13:52:04 I thought there was exact informantion though 13:52:07 white is supposed to be reserved for manuals, right? 13:52:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:59 perhaps sif is using the wrong codepath to pick the color 13:57:20 <|amethyst> I think this might be a problem with acquirement books in general? 13:57:40