00:00:14 gammafunk: Under that argument, we should make all of Crawl lua :D 00:00:28 reaverb: we have tons of existing lua vault/layout code 00:00:32 so I don't think that's a good argument 00:00:34 but yes that makes sense, particularly since it's a semi independent block. 00:01:01 I agree that the conversion is not a priority if there's no other benefit, though 00:01:44 Roulette of Golubria broken by statue change by WalkerBoh 00:02:20 Some branch ends always use the same layout. These used to be special-cased in C++ (which required C++ layouts), but mumra fixed this maybe a year ago 00:03:07 infiniplex: Hmm. 00:04:07 infiniplex: in any case, if you can convert layout code to lua, and it seems beneficial to do so, and you actually *want* to do it, we'll always consider patches 00:04:21 good way for me to learn more about layouts, so I'd be interested 00:06:06 -!- SquishMe has quit [Quit: *squish*] 00:07:13 gammafunk: the C++ layouts are at the bottom of layouts.cc. I suggest you leave layout_basic alone beacuse there is a lot of C++ functions involved 00:08:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:08:13 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-869-g3492c09 (34) 00:08:40 -!- RZX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:59 Grunt: ping 00:10:22 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:11:01 infiniplex: my todo list is pretty silly at this point, but I'll take a look at the C++ layouts before I go making new ones in lua, thanks 00:11:40 infiniplex: So is there anything we could do to make it easier for you to make/submit new layouts? 00:12:56 I am fine with mantis normally. There was recently a huge delay, but I suspect that that was caused by mumra leaving an no one else taking up the layout stuff. 00:13:33 yeah, your latest layouts sat for too long before grunt swooped in 00:13:46 I was meaning to, but it'd have taken me a lot longer to digest it all 00:14:54 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14:59 infiniplex: Feel free to come here and bug us if we're taking too long. 00:15:51 Can do! 00:15:58 gammafunk: I'm trying to move N78291's acid patch to the implemented part of 0.15 planning, but I can't figure out how to make a "Character" subheading under "impelmented" 00:16:01 infiniplex: Ha 00:16:19 reaverb: add more #s 00:16:21 let me take a look 00:16:30 ??0.15_plan 00:16:30 0.15 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.15_plan 00:16:56 i'll do it 00:17:16 there you go 00:17:27 add more = you mean? 00:17:32 I might be missing something 00:17:35 ontoclasm: Thanks, how did you do it? 00:17:41 edit the whole page 00:17:48 oh yeah 00:17:51 that part is confusing! 00:17:51 and add ==== Character ==== 00:18:01 you edit a section, and only see the contents, not the header 00:18:05 yeah, the little edit buttons are placed in a silly way 00:18:28 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-869-g3492c09 (34) 00:18:51 the chaosforge wiki is generally better for editing 00:18:59 kind of which we used that software instead 00:19:06 *wish 00:19:59 "Edit this page" wow. 00:20:21 gammafunk: That assumes you can get an account :D 00:20:30 I have one :) 00:20:44 but I mean if we used that software, not that server 00:21:08 gammafunk: Yes, don't want to make XuaXua transfer everything again. 00:21:13 though. 00:21:23 yeah, I doubt any conversion would be very pretty 00:22:05 we might be able to get players to move content for us, but perhaps that's too much wishful thinking 00:22:28 A script might work. 00:22:46 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:24 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:35 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:27 infiniplex: Do you think that old crystal spire wizlab is worth looking at again? 00:25:13 I love the flavor, but I'm not so sure about the mechanics. 00:27:19 I am not sure of the mechanics either. I would not object to someone with a better sense of mechanics and balance than me (probably anyone here) going through and improving it. Also, I think the randart is gone. 00:28:02 infiniplex: Yes, the randart is gone. : ( 00:29:07 mmm 00:29:12 Probably would be good with recent changes 00:29:25 Basil: The randart or the wizlab? 00:29:27 Basil, top remover in training 00:29:28 randart 00:29:44 It would hit like an LCS 00:29:49 or an iron shot I guess 00:30:35 ??lehudib's crystal spear 00:30:36 lehudib's crystal spear[1/1]: AKA: Lehudib's Crystal Spear or just crystal spear. Level 8 Conjurations/Earth spell, found only in Book of Annihilations and randart Sif gifts. 10d22.3 at max power, theoretically, and unresistable. The strongest single target conjuration, but its range is one square less than that of Iron Shot. 00:30:43 dang 00:31:08 infiniplex: Oh, you also did nikola's generator, I didn't realize that. 00:31:58 That one didn't turn out that well. There was too much power difference between the monsters. 00:32:27 unrandart, surely 00:33:33 infiniplex: Yes, it's sad when you want to make a theme but there aren't enough monsters. 00:33:53 Shock serpents are like the only elec monster added recently. 00:34:06 and vapours are kaput 00:34:14 roaming. nikola. packs. 00:34:55 hmm 00:34:55 PleasingFungus: In the Volts? 00:35:13 I wonder if the CBL change affected ball lightning monsters in vaults 00:35:26 like in the green crystal spire 00:35:35 ?/aerie 00:35:36 Matching terms (3): aerie_vault, faerie_dragon, faerie_dragon_armour; entries (4): ada[1] | ball_lightning[1] | hangedman[7] | the_enchantress[1] 00:35:40 ??aerie vault 00:35:40 aerie vault[1/2]: (In)famous vault found at middling depths, containing a large green crystal spiral with lots of water, ball lightnings, vapours, and air elementals. 00:36:06 "Middling depths" is kind of weird now that Depths are a thing. What does that actaully mean? 00:36:12 !vault aerie 00:36:13 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des;hb=HEAD#l2819 00:36:29 Also, the spawning ball lightnings in Nikoa's wizlab just didn't work. The idea could be adapted to spawn miasma clouds in Tar if that is still a good idea. I won't be doing it soon, though. 00:36:37 DEPTH: D:12-, Depths, !Depths:$ 00:36:41 infiniplex: Sure. 00:37:19 I guess you could make some new electric monsters 00:37:23 !learn edit aerie_vault[1] s/at middling depths/in late D and the Depths/ 00:37:24 aerie vault[1/2]: (In)famous vault found in late D and the Depths, containing a large green crystal spiral with lots of water, ball lightnings, vapours, and air elementals. 00:37:25 by handing out elec crossbows 00:37:43 Making new monsters so that they can appear in one vault is probably a bad idea. 00:37:48 Basil: Do those generate anywhere? 00:37:51 Oh. That could work 00:37:53 Randarts 00:38:00 shop offbrand launchers 00:38:23 stone giants with elec large rocks 00:39:16 I need to get around to ruining that shop 00:39:35 players aren't going to know that e.g. chaos large rocks auto-mulch 00:39:38 1learn add basil keep gammafunk etc 00:39:56 so it's like "haha, you but something dumb!" 00:40:04 Is my one entry still something silly about item generation? 00:40:06 ??reaverb 00:40:07 reaverb[1/1]: TODO: spook the distribution of items real good 00:40:11 !learn del reaverb 00:40:12 Deleted reaverb[1/1]: TODO: spook the distribution of items real good 00:40:15 Why do chaos large rocks automulch? 00:40:23 chaos ammo just does I think 00:40:33 well, I should say 00:40:34 Maybe make it not do that? 00:40:40 chaos branded weapons? 00:40:50 not sure ammo from e.g chaos bow auto-mulches 00:40:53 What can be chaos branded ammo anyway? 00:40:54 since the ammo isn't chaos 00:41:00 yeah nothing really 00:41:07 (aside from that shop) 00:41:15 hrm 00:41:20 maybe xom could do it 00:41:24 to e.g. darts/javs 00:41:27 not sure 00:41:38 !source "have a taste of chaos" 00:41:38 Couldn't understand "have a taste of chaos" 00:41:52 !source have_a_taste_of_chaos 00:41:53 yeah it won't do a string match 00:41:54 Basil: Probably need to grep 00:41:55 Couldn't find have_a_taste_of_chaos in the Crawl source tree 00:41:56 damn 00:42:18 it searches functions, defines, vaults 00:42:22 It also doesn't understand parathesis means that a function, which bothers me. 00:42:35 reaverb: use !function 00:42:52 gammafunk: Oh, didn't realize that. 00:42:55 !function end 00:42:56 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/book-data.h;hb=HEAD#l179 00:43:00 !source chaos_upgra 00:43:01 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/xom.cc;hb=HEAD#l832 00:43:11 Oh huh 00:43:17 gammafunk: Ha, !function is just as inept 00:43:18 Xom can chaosify randarts 00:43:31 hrm, odd that it'd fall back to that 00:43:36 what's the method? 00:43:39 you can use the full method 00:44:11 !function player::wearing 00:44:12 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l970 00:44:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/xom.cc;hb=HEAD#l866 // Leave branded items alone, since this is supposed to be an 00:44:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/xom.cc;hb=HEAD#l867 // upgrade. 00:44:26 Oh common silly Adium client. 00:44:27 something like "end" is not going to end well 00:44:54 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:44:55 gammafunk: if it knew it was a function name it could find it without ambiguity. 00:45:06 Of course the real problems is probably the function is named that. 00:45:09 Explicitly disallows large rocks and nets, but I think javelins are permitted? 00:45:11 reaverb: a function that's literally end() ? 00:45:20 gammafunk: Yes 00:45:21 !function end() 00:45:21 Couldn't understand () 00:45:31 gammafunk: It's in 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04:35:21 vaguely related to that golubria change is minmay_protected_statue which can generate an ocs behind grates or plants or bushes 04:35:29 in which case it can cast brain feed but nothing else 04:36:18 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:36:25 i didn't find any other statues-behind-grates vaults on a quick check but i didn't look very carefully 04:39:17 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:39:48 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:41:26 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:42:54 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:30 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:49:37 MarvinPA: one question about branded rocks: do you think they're too strong, or is it the rule break you dislike? 04:51:18 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:51:22 i don't like the rule break, they're also barely ever going to actually be found on a character that can use them, and a lot of the brands there would actually be useless rather than too strong (chaos, dispersal, exploding are all guaranteed to mulch) 04:51:53 yes, only penetrating and explosion made some sense 04:52:00 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:35 the underlying question is always how much gimmicks like this we want (I don't think these rocks hurt, but I also don't disagree with your commit) 04:54:05 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:57:43 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:14:47 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:17:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23:26 -!- palacebeast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:24:14 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:37:32 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:41:18 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:24 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:02 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:14 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping 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SirSamVimes, XL27 LOBe, T:115083 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/SirSamVimes/crash-SirSamVimes-20140516-115056.txt 06:51:57 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:53 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54:03 -!- rast- is now known as rast 07:02:14 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:03:53 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:56 -!- ais523_ has quit [Changing host] 07:03:56 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:56 -!- ais523_ has quit [Changing host] 07:03:56 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:50 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: is there *still* a problem with resolve_monster_type? 07:05:06 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:20 looks like it, i'm not entirely sure what the issue is there though :( 07:05:45 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:06:22 <|amethyst> hm, I can't find that core file 07:09:15 <|amethyst> hm 07:11:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-874-ga9affb0: Adjust descriptions for rings of stealth/loudness 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9affb0bd7bf 07:11:02 <|amethyst> get_altar_count looks bad 07:11:03 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:11:45 <|amethyst> it looks like it takes the first tag and strips off 14 chars 07:12:33 hmm, and the first tag is actually temple_variable? 07:12:50 <|amethyst> yeah 07:12:53 <|amethyst> though I'm not sure 07:13:08 <|amethyst> what *does* dgn.map_parameters return 07:20:25 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:20:57 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:13 <|amethyst> oh, I see, it's not the tags 07:24:51 -!- onwiheg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:27:30 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:23 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:53:48 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:57:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 07:58:36 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:08 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:59:22 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:48 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:02:39 -!- vede has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:10:13 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:10:26 I am emailing with g*lehar. Seems like he's quite detached from Crawl development (in other words: hiatus -> retirement), which is relevant for those interested in weapon delay formulas and transifex. 08:13:21 recently, I patched into NetHack 4 some code that tracked all the resistances (and similar properties) that a player had used over the course of the game, so that I can look at the logfiles and see "99% of players used levitation" 08:13:30 then I thought I should probably mention that to the DCSS devs 08:13:37 because that sort of information would help to balance the game 08:13:40 the idea, that is 08:13:43 not sure if you're doing it already 08:13:53 <|amethyst> well 08:13:56 <|amethyst> we kind of track that stuff 08:14:09 <|amethyst> but some devs are opposed to turning on that kind of information by default 08:14:21 hmm, why? 08:14:26 |amethyst: who is? :) 08:14:41 <|amethyst> %git f91635a 08:14:46 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-2723-gf91635a: Revert "Add 'vaults' to default dump_order" 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 3 files, 9+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f91635a2d71d 08:14:46 in NetHack, you just say "it's there for tracking unofficial conducts", which was the original motivation 08:14:46 * dpeg expects |amethyst to say dpeg. 08:15:05 <|amethyst> that's the one to show you what vaults were generated in a game in the log file 08:15:34 <|amethyst> I've been reluctant to put anything new in dumps by default since then 08:15:37 |amethyst: what about a secondary log file, with all the technical stuff: vaults used, layout types per level, etc.? 08:15:57 -devlog 08:16:00 <|amethyst> though I guess action_counts are there by default 08:16:02 There's a difference between what players usually want, and what devs want to see. 08:16:28 |amethyst: if you just bring back vault dumping, but to a different file, I'd vocally support that. 08:16:29 I guess the difference here is that generated vaults isn't something players have control over 08:16:42 like, there's no way I can play so as to get a particular vault, other than by avoiding particular branches 08:16:49 so it mostly seems like trivia to me as a player 08:16:53 rather than something that describes the way I played 08:16:55 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:17 <|amethyst> action_counts could maybe be more specific 08:17:21 <|amethyst> about which things 08:17:23 <|amethyst> but I must go now 08:19:02 if galehar's not active it'd be good to see if someone else can take a look at https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7843 too 08:19:18 -!- HDA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:18 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:28 MarvinPA: would you reply in that topic? Galehar will see that, too. 08:19:39 |amethyst: bye! 08:20:01 ais523_: yes, that's why I want to separate dumps in two heaps. 08:22:30 dpeg: it's not something i'd really be confident reviewing, i can comment along the lines of "someone else should review this" though :P 08:23:02 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:56 MarvinPA: yes, that's what I meant. Thank you! (Both for thinking of it, and doing it :) 08:26:02 -!- LarsH has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:28:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:41 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:37:06 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:59 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:45 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:22 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Client Quit] 08:45:54 -!- geekosaur has quit [*.net *.split] 08:45:54 -!- Eronarn has quit [*.net *.split] 08:45:54 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 08:45:54 -!- Medar has quit [*.net *.split] 08:45:54 -!- Guest56047 has quit [*.net *.split] 08:45:54 -!- denstark has quit [*.net *.split] 08:46:05 -!- Eronarn has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:11 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:59 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:09 -!- planet_ has quit [Excess Flood] 08:48:51 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:50:39 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:55:16 -!- Amy has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:56:17 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:57:28 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:03:41 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:50 -!- Vaporware has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:11:18 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:21:07 -!- Matejii has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:28:05 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:33:07 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:21 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:34:11 Morgue file notes one artefact as being identified many times. by ToastyP 09:35:59 this would be my fault i'm betting 09:36:28 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:38:46 'oops' 09:39:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41:44 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:35 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140513030201]] 09:58:30 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:43 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:01:15 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:05:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: did you see the bug about slime temple 10:08:56 no 10:09:04 mantis? 10:09:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: Got error message upon starting a game by Mandevil 10:09:37 hm 10:09:42 I wonder if that has something to do with the changes Grunt made 10:10:05 <|amethyst> ohh 10:10:11 <|amethyst> I bet it does 10:10:18 <|amethyst> Grunt: 10:10:28 yeah, actually, I'm sure it does - my version had 6:B, not :B 10:10:34 <|amethyst> Grunt: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8562 looks like it didn't get the map_parameter that it should have 10:11:13 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I missed that the first commit ("Support for variable-altar-count Temples") was Grunt's, not yours 10:12:29 -!- wheals_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:16:35 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:16:50 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:50 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: after my recent experience with optimisation of enum stuff (see 86454def) I wonder whether it might be safer to use an int rather than god_type in _is_chaos_upgradeable (4733aad) 10:21:19 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: then again, it's being compared against two actual enumerators rather than something out-of-range so I guess it's probably fine 10:22:10 -!- Aarinfl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:23:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:23 |amethyst: how is int any better than enum ? 10:24:39 personally I wish we'd use enum wherever possible 10:25:01 but we can't until we drop those old mac builds 10:25:32 (unless we want to waste loads of space, I mean) 10:26:10 <|amethyst> err 10:26:14 (well, I mean, when the enum type is *accurate* anyway 10:26:16 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: 86354def rather 10:26:16 ) 10:27:04 <|amethyst> SamB: in the problem that 86354def fixed, we were misusing it by putting in a -1 which did not match any enumerator 10:27:12 ah 10:27:20 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:27:50 <|amethyst> SamB: in this case I worry about what happens if -item.orig_monnum is out of range 10:27:55 <|amethyst> but I guess that shouldn't happen? 10:28:05 <|amethyst> since this is conditional on item.orig_monnum < 0 10:28:30 not having that exacf ennumerator shouldn't be an issue, but having no reason to expect the enumeration to be signed would be 10:29:11 grr spelling 10:30:23 -!- LarsH_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:27 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:36:39 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807]] 10:38:24 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:40:23 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:42:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:50:24 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:58 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:48 -!- HDA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:48 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:36 Quick question to dev team. Is it intended that the cloud-generating of the new god (Quazatl? however you spell that) is not mentioned in "Granted powers"? 10:54:46 It states taht I get "strom shield" 10:54:56 Which apparently increases my SH? 10:54:59 *storm 10:55:11 But there is nothing about the clouds that keep generating around me 10:55:28 I wasn't confused only cause I read patchnotes/commit logs. 10:56:43 MIC132: "You are surrounded by a storm" 10:57:09 <|amethyst> Perhaps it should have a comma before "which" 10:57:21 <|amethyst> You are surrounded by a storm, which can block enemy attacks. 10:57:33 This still implies to me that that's all the storm does 10:57:48 <|amethyst> how about 10:57:51 Also "storm" hardly explains fire clouds and such 10:57:53 <|amethyst> You are surrounded by a storm. 10:57:56 |amethyst: yes 10:57:59 <|amethyst> Your storm can block enemy attacks. 10:58:00 I was about to suggest that 10:58:08 no I don't think the second line is even necessary 10:58:12 Maybe: 10:58:13 that is what ^ is for 10:58:20 which does explain what the storm does 10:58:21 <|amethyst> elliptic: clouds don't normally block enemy attacks though 10:58:38 <|amethyst> I was talking about ^ 10:58:41 "You are surrounded by a storm, which can block enemy attacks and generates random elemntal clouds around you"? 10:58:42 <|amethyst> or do you mean ^^ ? 10:58:46 er, I mean ^^ 10:58:47 But that's too descriptive 10:58:53 I was talking about ^ 10:59:04 I don't think ^ needs to contain every detail of how a god works 10:59:05 Under "Granted powers" 10:59:09 No, not every 10:59:16 But it states nothing about random clouds 10:59:20 Which can be very confusing 10:59:24 that is not true 10:59:30 <|amethyst> I would think the clouds are more significant than the SH 10:59:30 it states "surrounded by a storm" 10:59:36 <|amethyst> elliptic: but they're not all storm clouds 10:59:41 that's one 10:59:57 Also the current sentece imlies storm only blocks attacks, and that's all 11:00:00 *implies 11:00:01 -!- Deckard_Pain_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:00:02 |amethyst: sure 11:00:20 <|amethyst> hm 11:00:28 Any hint that the clouds come from this particular god power will be enough 11:00:58 IMO "surrounded by" is enough of a hint if it doesn't have the misleading mention of the SH boost 11:01:02 Maybe this: 11:01:21 "You are surrounded by ELEMENTAL storm, which also can block enemy attacks"? 11:01:28 It both explains other clouds 11:01:34 And implies block isn't all it does 11:01:47 -!- Saint_Lux has quit [Client Quit] 11:02:02 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:02:06 note that this still wouldn't mention that the storm also gives rMsl at higher piety 11:02:33 the storm does quite a few different things 11:02:36 -!- Saint_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:02:36 Wait 11:02:49 Maybe with enough piety we could add another line to the descripiton? 11:03:05 "Your storm can now also reflect som projectiles"? 11:03:05 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:03:09 Or something 11:03:30 Still, the one I proposed is at least a bit better than the current, I think.. 11:03:54 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:04:05 The storm makes clouds, gives SH, and at high piety gives rMsl, that's all? 11:04:05 in general we don't currently insist that every single thing granted by a god is spelled out in the ^ screen 11:04:19 e.g. umbra is not mentioned in dith's ^ screen 11:04:32 And to this day I don't get what it does 11:04:43 this is precisely why the ^^ screen exists 11:04:44 Apart from being required by some of his powers 11:05:08 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:05:18 Hmm 11:05:21 This is a good point. 11:05:27 ??umbra 11:05:28 umbra[1/1]: An aura which increases stealth, causes accuracy penalties and cancels out haloes. Undead, *+ Dithmenos worshippers, and ***+ Yredelemnul worshippers are immune to the accuracy reduction. Produced by profane servitors, Dithmenos worshippers, and anyone who wears the {ring of shadows}. 11:05:43 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:05:52 demons used to be immune too :( 11:05:53 TSO doesn't mention the halo until the ^^ screen 11:06:06 But still, I think the ^ screen should give at least a short indication of what's going on. And the ^^ screen for longer explanation 11:06:47 oh, another thing that Q's storm does: make noise 11:07:02 Is that even in ^^? 11:07:03 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07:22 doesn't look like it 11:07:24 I guess player can safely assume that a "storm" makes some noise 11:07:59 But I still maintain that "You are surrounded by elemental storm, which also can block enemy attacks" would save quite a bit of confusion, while still being short and not too in-depth 11:08:48 My only gripe is that current sentence implies blocking being the only function. Hell, just add "also" to the current version and it's ok 11:10:21 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:41 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:12:06 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:35 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:18:25 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-875-g6624313: Mention that Qazlal's storm is loud. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66243133a8fa 11:18:25 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-876-g8252685: Remove mention of Qazlal's storm giving SH from the ^ screen. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8252685d8064 11:18:27 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:19:38 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:38 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 11:19:40 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 11:20:37 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:20:58 (if someone wants to change this again I won't mind... maybe Grunt has a better idea since it is his god :P) 11:25:49 you.religion = GOD_GRUNT 11:26:04 if (you.religion = GOD_GRUNT)? 11:26:09 yes 11:26:12 -!- onwiheg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:27:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:56 -!- wheals_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:33:15 -!- notcluie is now known as notbcadrern 11:33:26 -!- notbcadrern is now known as notcluie 11:39:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:17 -!- Annabella has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:52:24 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:31 -!- Galewind has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:54:18 -!- crate has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:39 i seem to be getting no effect from velocity card in new_nemelex branch 11:55:18 -!- Zebra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:42 -!- Annabella has quit [Excess Flood] 11:56:17 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:16 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:51 -!- fufumann has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:03:16 -!- crate has left ##crawl-dev 12:03:31 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:22 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:07:44 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-876-g8252685 (34) 12:10:41 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:29 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:12:25 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:12:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:58 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:13:01 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:07 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:39 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:14:04 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:46 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:20:04 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:27 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:22:23 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:40 -!- Kaput has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:12 <|amethyst> crate: Were you fast or slow? Were there monsters around? 12:27:16 <|amethyst> oh, he's gone 12:28:24 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:29:23 |amethyst: I'll look into it - I need to look at that code anyway. 12:30:31 <|amethyst> kind of hard to look into it without knowing the details 12:30:49 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:52 <|amethyst> if you are neither fast nor slow, and there are no monsters around, new velocity is supposed to do nothing 12:30:56 -!- LarsH has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:30:58 <|amethyst> though maybe it could use a message 12:31:13 |amethyst: Yes, a couple new_nemelex cards didn't have proper fail messages. 12:31:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:32:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:15 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:33:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:55 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:36:09 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:49 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-877-g2926600: Replace spriggan rider mercenaries with base demonspawn (Roarke). 10(33 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29266000b18b 12:41:51 oh, i added a message for it failing already 12:42:58 <|amethyst> wheals: I don't get how that naga level-up fix works 12:43:26 |amethyst: naga mages are lower HD 12:43:53 so there was a 100% chance of turning into one when it reaches naga mage HD, so it can never reach naga warrior HD 12:43:55 my poor special-casing for spriggan riders keeping their names when their mount dies 12:44:02 <|amethyst> ah 12:44:26 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:35 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 12:45:42 <|amethyst> wheals: maybe that array's comment should mention that 12:46:01 <|amethyst> wheals: I realise that it does say "will grow up when it reaches the HD" 12:46:05 <|amethyst> I'll add something 12:46:16 ok 12:47:51 good comment about spriggans being unable to turn into druids/mages/berserkers because it'd require magic training or an altar 12:48:04 <|amethyst> oh 12:48:24 when like 4 other species can level up into casters/priests 12:48:38 MarvinPA: special spriggan drawback 12:49:37 MarvinPA: and tengu -> conjurer is even right below it 12:49:40 i guess it's not quite 4! and maybe some of those were added after the spriggan thing 12:49:47 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 12:50:32 should mermaids level up into sirens? i forget what the actual link between them is now 12:50:48 something about a sunken god 12:50:51 oh right both are non-merfolk or something? 12:51:02 and at various stages of sunken god worship yeah 12:51:13 <|amethyst> non-merfolk that used to be merfolk? 12:51:34 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:10 i'm not sure, possibly! "sufficiently distinct from merfolk that eating them isn't cannibalism", anyway :P 12:52:19 fr: sunken god 12:52:21 <|amethyst> we can just undo my commit that did that 12:52:28 i don't mind what the flavour is as long as it's vaguely consistent 12:52:31 <|amethyst> or Lasty's commit that added the sunken god thing 12:52:36 <|amethyst> but they shouldn't both be there 12:52:50 <|amethyst> (I think it was Lasty?) 12:52:59 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:59 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 12:52:59 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:02 i believe so yeah 12:53:28 oh wow 12:53:29 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: BTW, when that spriggan comment was added, no monsters could level up from non-casters/priests to casters/priests 12:53:48 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:48 aha 12:53:52 stuff.cc used to have the contents of colour, coord, coordit, random, and rng 12:55:15 Certainly a lot of stuff. 12:55:17 |amethyst: yeah, that was me 12:55:26 Maybe we should ban adding stuff there until it disappears. 12:55:30 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I think that is a case of excessive realism... elephant slugs who polymorph into titans still gettitan spells, right? 12:55:43 i don't think anything has been added to stuff.cc in a while 12:55:45 <|amethyst> reaverb: no problem, there's always misc.cc 12:55:53 yeah (i think so? polymorphing has some weird rules) 12:56:14 oh right yeah that case definitely does get spells, it's uniques keeping their spells that has the weird rules 12:56:35 It makes sense to me that mermaids would level up to sirens. 12:56:41 Assuming siren allies do anything 12:58:24 I seem to recall them not being able to melee 12:58:41 yeah, they just summon drowned spirits from water... which is useful, if you're near water 12:58:43 because of their movement ai 12:59:47 is this also about the merc card? 13:01:12 |amethyst: Hmm, the problem also seems to be a lot of the time Velocity just doesn't do anything because there's not speedy or slow monsters. This card should probably be changed to do stuff more often. 13:01:56 mm temple bug 13:02:05 ssssssss 13:02:05 (this worked in testing!!) 13:02:25 (I'll investigate in ~6h when I am home) 13:02:48 Grunt: That reminds me 13:02:56 * gammafunk steps from time. Grunt arrives home 13:03:32 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:56 gammafunk: imo let me step from time instead 13:04:05 * Grunt (beyond time) 13:04:10 <|amethyst> reaverb: either way those boolean expressions should be reformatted :) 13:04:25 <|amethyst> reaverb: the ones with uniform indentation and || and && at end-of-line 13:04:59 |amethyst: Already did that :D 13:05:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:07:14 Is there player equivalent to baseline delay? 13:07:51 -!- partyhat has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:59 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:08:18 -!- partyhat is now known as absolutego 13:08:49 I think it's just a define of 10 that's used regardless of actor 13:08:53 but I might be wrong 13:09:15 <|amethyst> yes, baseline delay is a constant 10 13:09:35 <|amethyst> it fundamentally *is* about players 13:09:36 Oh soe player->speed < BASELINE_DELAY checks if the actor is slow (or fast not sure) ? 13:09:57 Hmm, you.seed probably. 13:10:20 <|amethyst> player->speed doesn't exist 13:10:38 <|amethyst> all players have action speed 10 unless they're slowed, hasted, berserked, etc 13:10:55 spriggans? 13:10:56 <|amethyst> (statue formed, ...) 13:11:01 <|amethyst> yes, even spriggans 13:11:03 I guess that's handled by mutations 13:11:04 |amethyst: Ok, what I meant by my question is what would be the best way to determine the player's speed? 13:11:07 that's movement 13:11:10 ah right 13:11:12 he meant generic actions 13:11:19 Possibly including movement speed like Sp or Chei or Naga. 13:11:31 <|amethyst> I don't think that's a good idea 13:11:46 I keep getting muddled with NetHack, whose speed implementation works in reverse to Crawl; everything works using movement speed unless it specifically gives some other value 13:11:56 <|amethyst> I don't think it's good to make the card strictly better for Nagas (and worse for Spriggans) than everyone else 13:12:00 <|amethyst> ais523_: for monsters it mostly does 13:12:07 <|amethyst> ais523_: but not players 13:12:17 Ok, so just the speed for Haste etc. How would I check that? 13:12:33 <|amethyst> if (you.duration[DUR_SLOW] && (power_level > 0 || coinflip())) 13:12:33 <|amethyst> you.duration[DUR_SLOW] = 1; 13:12:46 <|amethyst> the code that's already there 13:12:49 basically "is the player hasted" 13:12:51 <|amethyst> or am I misunderstanding? 13:13:05 <|amethyst> I guess you might want it to give finessed players slow 13:13:16 <|amethyst> (I don't think it's possible to use when berserked) 13:13:25 |amethyst: And statue form, and berserk, and.... 13:13:42 |amethyst: Also I think special casing two durations is a little hack-ish 13:13:57 If it's impossible the current code is fine, I just didn't know if there was a better way. 13:14:15 <|amethyst> player_speed gives you the number you're looking for 13:14:25 |amethyst: Thank you. 13:14:25 <|amethyst> still 13:14:34 <|amethyst> hm 13:15:13 int player_speed(void) 13:15:15 void? 13:15:23 <|amethyst> gammafunk: someone's a C programmer :) 13:15:27 heh 13:16:08 Oh, I should probably remove that. 13:16:22 and that must be fairly old C that even would require void I'm guessing? 13:16:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no, modern C does 13:16:33 since I can't recall declaring functions that way 13:16:39 ah, interesting 13:16:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: if you leave out void it means "I'm not specifying the parameter types" 13:16:59 <|amethyst> meaning you can pass it anything 13:17:05 oh ok 13:17:17 but then...well I should just read about that 13:17:23 <|amethyst> (which is how function declarations worked in the K&R days, before prototypes) 13:17:53 but you had to get the parameters into named variables somehow 13:18:09 <|amethyst> gammafunk: the implementation itself would list them 13:18:15 <|amethyst> gammafunk: or you could walk the stack 13:18:23 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:18:31 <|amethyst> gammafunk: which is, I think, how printf worked before varargs were standardised 13:18:53 <|amethyst> this is why C demands different calling conventions from the pascal standard 13:19:21 <|amethyst> the callee doesn't necessarily know how many arguments were passed, so it can't be responsible for popping them off the stack 13:19:22 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:19:58 <|amethyst> I guess no one has spoken of C vs Pascal calling conventions in like 10 or 15 years... 13:20:27 It's good to get regular reminders of how little I know about programming languages 13:20:50 What were the K&R days? 13:21:09 those are the initials of the inventors of the language 13:21:13 <|amethyst> reaverb: C before the ANSI (later ISO) standard 13:21:18 <|amethyst> K&R = Kernighan and Ritchie 13:21:22 <|amethyst> they wrote the book about C 13:21:23 |amethyst: Hmm. 13:21:40 <|amethyst> mostly Ritchie wrote C 13:21:58 that was my first real programming book, the famous K&R C book; great book 13:22:07 <|amethyst> reaverb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language 13:22:08 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:22:13 <|amethyst> reaverb: (about the book, not the language) 13:22:38 |amethyst: Hmm. 13:22:57 <|amethyst> reaverb: the ANSI standard came about in 1989 (after six years in committee) 13:23:11 <|amethyst> reaverb: and was ratified by ISO the next year 13:23:27 |amethyst: Wow, didn't realize C was standardized in almost the 90s. 13:23:49 <|amethyst> I started learning C in around 1992, so K&R is before my time *but* I did read plenty of old K&R C code 13:24:13 "our condolences" 13:24:36 probably far worse code you could read 13:24:39 <|amethyst> ais523_ might guess what was the first large program I really dove into, and it used a lot of K&R conventions 13:24:50 <|amethyst> gammafunk: not "by K and R" 13:25:00 <|amethyst> gammafunk: just "old enough to use that version of the language" 13:25:22 |amethyst: does it date from late 1987, by any chance? 13:25:24 no yeah, I didn't mean code by K and R themselves :) 13:25:58 it could have been "a lot of Basic code" or "a lot of old javascript code" 13:26:11 <|amethyst> ais523_: well, a lot of the files said "Copyright (c) Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam, 1985" but yes :) 13:26:41 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:26:55 I remember toying with nethack to get Medusa workable as an pet that wouldn't insta-stone you 13:27:43 And demogorgon was a little underwhelming as a pet, I found 13:27:51 I expected him to obliterate everything 13:29:07 I think an Archon was actually much more effective as a pet, especially since Demo's sickness attack didn't seem to do much to monsters 13:30:17 -!- LarsH has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:36 Speaking of licenses, I was wonder if MIT license was compatible with Crawl's. 13:30:37 http://opensource.org/licenses/MIT 13:30:54 From what I can tell, it is, but I'm not a lawyer. 13:31:52 <|amethyst> reaverb: FSF says MIT is compatibe with GPL 13:32:01 <|amethyst> reaverb: and we already have some MIT code 13:32:11 are you GPL2 or GPL3? 13:32:15 <|amethyst> 2 or later 13:32:36 GPL3 is compatible with all those permissive licences; I think 2 is compatible with MIT in particular but am not sure 13:33:33 I always wondered how we don't have any prompt or disclaimer about patch submissions in terms of authorship or license 13:34:18 <|amethyst> for patches I would assume the author by submitting them intended to license them under the GPL 13:34:46 yeah, I guess there's no issue if they don't put a copyright or license declaration in the patch? 13:34:51 <|amethyst> and if not, then their patches are unlicensed derivative works and we could countersue 13:34:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: the real problem is tiles 13:35:12 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and new vaults 13:35:12 oh, art being somehow different 13:35:13 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:35:32 <|amethyst> gammafunk: well, it's most likely not a derivative work the way a patch to our code is 13:35:41