00:00:10 |amethyst: Huh, how confusing. 00:00:32 <|amethyst> I don't think the C++ one is used anywhere 00:00:46 |amethyst: I'll check. 00:00:53 <|amethyst> if the function is supposed to return numbers spaced by 1.0, then 'high' occurs much less frequently than the rest 00:01:02 <|amethyst> But I don't think it is 00:01:11 <|amethyst> I think it's supposed to return a real number between high and low 00:01:29 <|amethyst> in which case, storing the roll in an int is a bad idea :) 00:01:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:12 <|amethyst> The lua one, btw, is [low, high) which is different from the C++ one 00:03:21 I'll delete the function, unless you're already started. 00:03:30 <|amethyst> go for it 00:05:16 |amethyst: Ha, it looks like that was the only caller of one of the functions I just made static. 00:05:36 And the called function was the only caller of the other function I just made static. 00:05:56 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 00:07:54 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:00 I was on here earlier looking for help, and I'd like to ask again. On my windows 7 machine, msysgit does not recognize "make" as a command. What can I do? 00:08:03 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:07 qoala: Nice to see you! 00:08:10 Why am I getting a "missing method exception" while trying to call GUI.TextField? 00:08:16 ...wrong channel, sorry. 00:08:24 I pushed your unrand cache patch if you didn't notice. 00:08:24 reaverb: hello! 00:08:24 qoala: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:08:30 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-726-g15da02f (34) 00:08:35 Oh, and I probably !told you too. 00:08:40 yup 00:08:42 thanks! 00:10:51 So are you going to be able to get wrymbane working? 00:11:19 I'm not sure which implementation path I want to take 00:11:40 I don't want to keep trying to shoehorn melee_effects for it 00:12:10 qoala: Hmm, my policy when I'm confused about implementation path is to refactor until I'm not confused anymore. 00:12:16 But that might now work here. 00:12:21 s/now/not/ 00:13:04 I'm also not sure passing the information on exactly how you killed a monster for a new callback is a good idea. I vaguely recall some 1/2-year-old discussions on god conducts that were relevant 00:13:29 basically "trying to last hit with a specific mechanism as a god conduct is likely to be un-fun" 00:13:43 -!- Cheburashka has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:14:07 because then optimal play ends up having you weaken the monster with your most efficient damage source, and then trying to last hit with the god's preferred method of offense 00:14:14 crawl is not a MOBA 00:14:17 there's some code somewhere that tracks the damage sources contributing to a kill, specifically as an alternative to this 00:14:18 iirc 00:14:50 I think it's split up by who did the damage (you vs your allies and possibly some other categories) 00:15:01 reaping has its own counter for damage dealt by the reaping weapon 00:15:01 <|amethyst> qoala: see also the reaping_damage prop 00:15:06 right 00:15:07 <|amethyst> haha 00:15:08 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:15:19 So I could have a wyrmbane-specific damage counter 00:15:31 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 00:15:52 wyrmdam 00:16:54 I feel like the effects of a wyrmbane increase have different ramifications compared to reaping raising the zombie 00:17:09 With reaping, there's a chance based on how much of the damage was from the weapon 00:17:27 if the check fails, no foul, you just get one less free zombie 00:17:55 With wyrmbane, the effect is permanent and (I suspect) has considerable value 00:18:41 Not getting that point for killing a golden dragon just because enough of your damage was from some other source (aux attacks, Qaz clouds, idk)... 00:18:43 I'm not sure 00:19:04 maybe ignore Qaz clouds in that list 00:19:19 <|amethyst> currently you don't get that point if your other attacks kill the monster (other than aux) 00:19:19 wyrm's design is sort of easier because it's going to trigger relatively few times 00:19:27 since aux attacks were the only other effect that currently helps wyrmbane 00:19:32 yeah 00:19:35 you're not going to get dozens of wyrm-boosting kills with wyrmbane 00:19:48 -!- File200 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19:50 so it's more okay to have it be goofy, since it won't be constantly in your face 00:19:53 if that makes any sense 00:20:53 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:20:59 I'm not entirely certain how to make the logic of an ineffable artefact created by means no longer readily accessible into something goofy :P 00:21:46 'encouraging you to swap to this weapon for a kill' is what I'm referring to as 'goofy' 00:21:52 ah 00:21:58 sorry, that was imprecise on my part 00:23:39 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-727-gd0bc051: Remove an odd use of !x_chance_in_y() 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 21+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0bc051500dc 00:23:39 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-728-g0b1b752: Remove 3 useless functions (|amethyst) 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b1b752dcff2 00:26:18 okay, what about "wielding wyrmbane when a dragonkind dies within reach"? Unsure if it's a bit fiddly, but can hopefully be reasonably communicated with flavor text. "As {the monster} dies, your lance {range1 ? 'reaches to pierce' : 'pierces'} the creature and glows" 00:27:07 requires you to actually be in melee range, rather than blasting it from edge of LOS (which could be handled by flavor, but I'd feel wierder about "dragons die in the presence of") 00:27:26 qoala: Sounds fine to me. 00:27:37 that's kinda weird. 00:27:46 I'm not convinced that the mechanic actually needs to change. The current implementation is thematic, and the mechanical awkwardness that it produces is uncommon enough not to be a problem... 00:28:09 If you must change it, I think I honestly would prefer the 'dragon dies in LOS while wyrmbane is wielded" variant 00:28:26 since it doesn't involve creepy lance-stretching. 00:28:28 So somewhere within the recent attack code refactors, we broke the existing behavior, and can't easily restore it without a fair amount of custom code 00:28:35 o 00:28:42 haha 00:28:47 last I'd heard it was triggering twice 00:28:48 yeah. oops 00:28:50 now it's not working at all? 00:29:14 No, we fixed the "trigger twice", but now it doesn't get the last hit if your aux attack technically kills the foe 00:29:15 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29:44 the spot where the unrand's melee_effect hook was moved 00:30:05 ahh 00:30:38 yeah, if it doesn't trigger on aux attack kills, that's frustrating and unfair 00:30:46 so maybe the LOS thing? 00:30:59 yeah, I can go with the LOS 00:31:37 it'd be that or wyrmdamreaping, which as discussed has its own problems 00:31:52 also, give it full LOS reaching for hitting dragons 00:32:07 it's only fair. 00:32:31 Since there's no longer the need to have a fiddly check of "monster died in LOS, but was it when meleeing with wyrmbane?" I can implement the general unrand react_to_kill hook I was thinking of 00:32:54 Less wyrmbane specific code, and hopefully a useful hook for other unrand ideas 00:33:20 I had a decent idea of how to implement it, but not how to check if the kill was melee for wyrmbane 00:34:08 although I suspect all of the silly ideas I've thought of to use such a hook would probably be better as god abilities thrown in the randgod pool :P 00:34:56 Hail $RANDGOD 00:35:20 The plate armour of Tyranny {spiny, fear effect on weaker foes when you kill a strong foe} (the fear effect is likely to be too annoying as a passive) 00:35:49 were you playing back when injured enemies ran away? 00:36:21 yes :P 00:36:22 I think that'd be better in a "cruel" tag where if you kill a foe, you can immediately perform some act of cruelty to fear weaker enemies 00:36:40 either "cruel" or "defeat strong" tags 00:37:11 So you could focus down the strong opponent and potentially care less about damage you took because you can fear the rest if it got too dicey 00:37:38 a tag? like an enchantment slapped on an enemy to take effect on death, like inner flame? 00:37:47 That artifact is bad because it destroys scrolls of blinking 00:37:53 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 00:38:06 I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding 00:38:10 So for randgods, abilities would have tags, and we'd have some means of selecting tags to give a cohesive flavour to the god's granted abilities 00:38:19 ahh 00:38:35 is there a place to look for randgod discussion? I've only heard mentions in passing. 00:38:59 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-729-gf6af66c: s/doodad/acq_item/ in acquire.cc 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 75+ 75-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6af66c72b28 00:39:03 There's a page on the dev wiki that probably hasn't seen any updates since I disappeared last summer 00:39:31 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:concept:random_god 00:39:35 and a few subpages 00:39:40 GOD_RANDOM_GOD 00:39:41 <3 00:40:47 I assume that we've been looking at a save-compat bump because all the new gods are hitting the issue I saw of not enough feature enums in the altars' range 00:40:51 ah, thanks! 00:40:52 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:41:00 -!- Bcadren_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:23 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:41:26 -!- Bcadren_ is now known as Bcadren 00:41:27 I had some really ugly hacks in mind for putting all randgods on one feature and specifying which god it represented with lua tags if we couldn't change things 00:41:38 llamapixel, what version did you have that working in? 00:41:45 because nearly all of the altar code assumes that the altars are all a contiguous range 00:42:41 My current plan is to tackle miscellaneous small projects to refamiliarize myself with the code base, because randgods is going to end up touching (or at least approaching) virtually everything 00:44:03 Theme rationale: these are really small gods, and ignorance really gets to them. 00:44:07 is that a prattchett ref 00:44:16 What if characters had the option at some point to make themselves demigods and forsake worship 00:44:35 <|amethyst> qoala: there are workarounds for that currently with Qazlal and Gozag 00:44:36 then RIP dgwn 00:45:21 Red_Bucket: Then anybody who wanted a demigod experince would do that turn 1 00:45:24 I think there were some long-term possibilites of demigod characters that win could potentially generate randgod entries on the server based on how they played 00:45:46 Which begs the question of why it can't happen during species selection. 00:45:48 there's some stuff on the bottom of the page you linked that talks about a similar idea 00:45:56 qoala: Yes, dpeg supported that. 00:46:14 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:46:34 It wouldn't turn you into the demigod race, it would just give you stat boosts at the cost of losing all gods 00:46:38 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:14 -!- Lap_ is now known as Tourresh 00:49:14 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:32 It would also result in the worst ghosts ever 00:51:32 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:52:32 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:49 New branch created: weightless (1 commit) 00:56:49 03gammafunk02 07[weightless] * 0.15-a0-730-g9237f64: Remove inventory weight for all items aside from large rocks 10(18 hours ago, 17 files, 167+ 123-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9237f646ad8b 00:57:06 So it begins 00:57:20 Is it spring cleaning in development 00:57:43 How long until spriggans get removed 01:00:06 That's tomorrow. 01:00:18 -!- ekix has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:00:54 Would spriggan removal be as good as mountain dwarf removal 01:01:22 Well, I guess it can't be because not as many people play spriggans 01:01:42 why on earth would spriggans be removed 01:02:20 because now that they're weightless, we'll accidentally brush them away when we're sweeping Yiuf's hut 01:02:30 o :( 01:02:31 that's sad 01:04:05 Why would we rename the doodad function! 01:04:18 Next, you'll tell me zappy() isn't clear 01:05:21 doodad should be a type, not a function! 01:05:36 likewise, it should be called get_zappy() 01:05:40 do_doodad? 01:06:03 doodoo_dad 01:06:03 qoala: Oh, That hit a function too? 01:06:06 OOps. 01:06:19 it's time to get zappy. 01:06:20 Also that function should be static. 01:06:20 oh wait, that's a variable 01:06:26 qoala: Hah. 01:06:36 Yes, doodad is/was a variable. 01:06:40 That zappy function is static? 01:06:48 Statis is zappy 01:06:52 ouif5i4l3fuh5p 01:07:08 I don't use C++ at work, so I keep failing to recognize inline constructor calls in git diffs 01:07:19 In the actual source, I can usually figure it out from context 01:08:16 !tell dpeg weightless branch created; 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10:04:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:06:35 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:37 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:55 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:46 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:47 -!- Zooty has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:13:54 <|amethyst> neither 10:14:26 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Excess Flood] 10:14:49 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Excess Flood] 10:14:55 <|amethyst> There is no "update script" (well, there is now but it's never been used); but I don't think adding an empty commit that says "hey, remove these when you upgrade" is all that useful 10:15:04 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:16 |amethyst: Sorry, comment 10:15:34 Saying "Remove this iff TAG_MAJOR_VERSION > 35 10:16:45 <|amethyst> I think mentioning the version in those comments wouldn't be a bad idea 10:16:53 Ok, will do. 10:16:56 <|amethyst> but someone has to go through and manually grep for them to remove them 10:17:04 <|amethyst> also, > 35 is probably not what you mean 10:17:14 Err, that is correct. 10:18:35 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:19:42 <|amethyst> git grep -I TAG_MAJOR_VERSION dat/ rltiles/ 10:19:49 |amethyst: My thought is more somebody will stumble upon it a few months after the bump and remove it. 10:19:55 <|amethyst> most of them are of the form # TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34 10:20:44 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23:55 <|amethyst> Probably whoever bumps TAG_MAJOR_VERSION should fix those things 10:24:23 <|amethyst> at the same time that they bump it, I mean; or at least before they move the bump to trunk 10:25:43 Yes, Grunt did that when he was considering bumping TAG_MAJOR_VERSION for the Dungeon split. 10:26:37 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-731-g423e527: State when a file should be removed 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=423e527b4a1d 10:27:38 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:56 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:18 -!- Thrall has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32:56 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:03 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:05 -!- enygmata has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:36:51 03edlothiol02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.15-a0-733-g4009fe5: Webtiles: Reinstate scoring page links. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 19+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4009fe5f4162 10:40:17 -!- Z_LAMP has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:20 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:18 -!- anon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41:59 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-732-gaebf29e: Standardize some save compact code 10(3 minutes ago, 5 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aebf29ef1b77 10:42:20 -!- phoenixlust has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46:47 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:47 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:56 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:52:34 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:52:48 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 10:56:12 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:41 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:00 -!- _159 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:03:11 -!- KrazyKlown has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:08:05 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:41 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:09:56 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:10:53 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:11:53 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:11:54 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:12:09 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:09 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:26:13 -!- Manslay[work] has quit [*.net *.split] 11:26:13 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [*.net *.split] 11:26:13 -!- kilobyte has quit [*.net *.split] 11:26:13 -!- Elsi has quit [*.net *.split] 11:26:13 -!- codehero has quit [*.net *.split] 11:26:13 -!- Kalma has quit [*.net *.split] 11:27:08 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27:10 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 11:34:30 -!- Kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:59 is it intentional that reach attacking through a bush with an octopode causes you to constrict the bush? 11:35:15 odds are you don't want to constrict that bush if you're poking at something on the other side 11:35:18 Kvaak: Hmm, that happens. 11:35:20 ? 11:35:24 in stable at least 11:35:33 Might want to mantis it, does not seem intended. 11:35:37 will do 11:35:43 Kvaak: Stabel == "0.14" correct? 11:35:46 yep 11:36:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:13 Ok, I don't recall anything touching constriction since we branched so it's probably either in both or neither. 11:37:55 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-733-gb4c3b50: Move the tiles of several removed monsters to UNUSED/monsters 10(12 minutes ago, 14 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4c3b5021434 11:37:59 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:59 -!- Elsi has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:29 !tell wheals http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4c3b5021434 11:38:29 reaverb: OK, I'll let wheals know. 11:38:46 actually it seems to only apply for plants, not bushes 11:40:27 -!- dangle has quit [Client Quit] 11:40:58 Kvaak: nice testing, just mention tat in the mantis report 11:41:05 s/tat/that/ 11:41:05 yup 11:43:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:45:12 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:12 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:45:12 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:38 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:49 -!- Kaidessa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:20 -!- enygmata_ is now known as enygmata 11:50:55 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:51:27 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 11:52:13 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:53:13 Reach attacking through a plant can result in the player unwillingly constricting it. by Kvaak 11:53:47 this bug cost me an EA scroll :( 11:55:03 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:24 Kvaak: Hm? 11:55:32 quick question, can I alias another username to mine? 11:55:43 when it comes to bots and stats? 11:56:00 !nick Bloax 11:56:00 Mapping bloax => bloax bloaxzorro bloaxor dumbbloax 11:56:08 !nick 11:56:10 !nick help 11:56:11 No nick mapping for help. 11:56:17 !help nick 11:56:17 !nick: Maps a nick to name(s) used on the public servers. Usage: !nick ...; !nick -rm ; !nick -rm 11:56:28 !nick Bloax DumberBloax 11:56:29 Mapping bloax => bloax bloaxzorro bloaxor dumbbloax dumberbloax 11:56:31 I was tabbing an oklob behind a plant wildly and didn't realize I was constricting the plant 11:56:33 !nick TZer0 TZer0alt 11:56:34 Could not authenticate TZer0 with services for !nick TZer0 TZer0alt 11:56:35 Tzer0: Yes, just do !nick primary secondary 11:56:47 Kvaak: The problem with that is acid exists :D 11:56:48 uhhh 11:57:06 !nick TZer0 TZer0alt 11:57:07 Mapping tzer0 => tzer0alt 11:57:10 ??? 11:57:14 straaaange 11:57:16 oh well, I'm more or less permanently stuck in spiderform anyway 11:57:21 !lg TZER0 11:57:22 86. TZer0alt the Shield-Bearer (L5 VSFi of Qazlal), slain by an ogre (a +0,+0 giant club) on D:4 on 2014-05-09 23:51:25, with 217 points after 2669 turns and 0:06:27. 11:57:36 !lg TZer0alt 11:57:37 86. TZer0alt the Shield-Bearer (L5 VSFi of Qazlal), slain by an ogre (a +0,+0 giant club) on D:4 on 2014-05-09 23:51:25, with 217 points after 2669 turns and 0:06:27. 11:57:40 heh 11:57:47 fair enough 11:57:48 it probably requires you to be registered to nickserv 11:57:56 which you probably should be anyway 11:57:58 Anyway, got a 5-rune VSFi in Dis:7 right now 11:58:01 Oh, that makes sense. 11:58:09 which is why I wanted to get things registered :P 11:58:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:59:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:58 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08:50 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:43 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 12:10:56 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:13:02 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:25 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-733-gb4c3b50 (34) 12:16:40 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:36 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:18:59 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19:04 -!- MiraclePrism has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:11 Hmm, have the bots always had the TAG_MAJOR_VERSION in parathesis? 12:19:24 no 12:21:14 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:48 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:28:03 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:30:27 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:31:01 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:32:28 reaverb: s/save compact code/save compat code/ ? 12:32:39 not that it really matters 12:32:45 gammafunk: Yes, oops 12:33:26 I don't know a good grammer/spellchecker for vim and even if I didn't I won't know hwo to enable it... 12:33:43 II'm running Doxygen again, by the way. 12:35:09 reaverb: spellchecker or autocomplete? 12:35:22 Basil: Either 12:35:31 try YouCompleteMe 12:35:42 think it requires Clang though, so 12:36:04 Yes I use Apple's stuff, probably shouldn't but. 12:36:19 ??apple 12:36:19 food[2/4]: Sultana is 70. Grape is 100. Strawberry is 200. Lychee/choko/rambutan is 600. Apricot/pear/apple is 700. Banana/lemon/orange is 1000. Cheese/sausage is 1200. Beef jerky/pizza/snozzcumber is 1500. Porridge is 6040. 12:36:32 If you're playing Merfolk of TSO, you can't eat Merfolk corpses. But Mermaid corpses are just fine. 12:36:54 That's social justice for you 12:38:20 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38:24 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 12:40:28 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:22 <|amethyst> %git 7eca78f8 12:41:23 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-3128-g7eca78f: Make mermaids/sirens unrelated to player merfolk. 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7eca78f8824b 12:41:25 <|amethyst> but then 12:41:30 ah 12:41:33 <|amethyst> %git a36c9fed 12:41:33 07Lasty02 {bh} * 0.14-a0-3352-ga36c9fe: Merfolk Lore 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 19+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a36c9fed3556 12:41:46 double ah 12:41:46 thanks 12:42:02 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:42:29 -!- netkitten has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:29 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:42:31 since people were complaining about mermaids being weaker merfolk and being alluring instead of having combat prowess 12:42:44 -!- netkitten_ is now known as netkitten 12:42:47 they were made into strictly nonmerfolk 12:45:14 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:45:16 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:45:23 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:45:27 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 12:46:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:38 mermaid (10m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 9 | HP: 28-50 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 19 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 471 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:48:38 %??mermaid 12:48:40 siren (11m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 73-96 | AC/EV: 4/12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(121), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1060 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:48:40 %??siren 12:48:48 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48:57 Why are there two monsters 12:49:11 <|amethyst> because they do different things 12:49:23 <|amethyst> mermaid mesmerisation doesn't move you 12:50:07 I didn't know there was more than one kind of mesm 12:50:29 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:50:33 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 12:54:48 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:54:50 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:57:09 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:17 !bug 0008520 12:57:18 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=0008520 12:57:26 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:36 -!- rast- is now known as rast 12:57:39 |amethyst: this is happening because the hellbinder wizlab uses 12:57:40 : set_random_mon_list([[lesser demon w:50 / red devil / blue devil / ]] 12:57:44 : .. [[orange demon / ynoxinul / kobold demonologist / ]]) 12:57:47 lesser demon 12:57:51 is causing a crash 12:58:10 since it's not a valid monster type, but a "monster group" 12:58:47 The easy fix is to just not use those groups with set_random_mon_list I guess 12:58:55 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:06 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:01 but it'd be nice if we didn't allow such things in set_random_mon_list 13:02:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think it's better to handle random monsters on random monster lists 13:03:07 <|amethyst> otherwise someone who wants their level full of draconians (for example) would have to list every single draconian combination 13:03:24 <|amethyst> compiling to test a fix 13:03:31 oh, great 13:03:55 <|amethyst> hm 13:04:09 <|amethyst> also needs to test what happens when you do this as a good god worshipper 13:04:17 <|amethyst> s/needs/need/ 13:05:20 yeah, currently I get the same crash with TSO 13:09:00 Bloax: mermaids were mostly non-merfolk before the complaints, its just that no one knew it because it was only visible in corner cases 13:14:41 -!- Stendarr|2 is now known as Stendarr 13:16:56 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:00 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:23 Bloax: that seems like a really strange nomenclature where mermaids aren't merfolk ... 13:22:37 <|amethyst> How about we remove mermaids 13:22:47 <|amethyst> Since apparently no one can agree on what they are 13:23:04 <|amethyst> The current code doesn't even agree with itself 13:23:20 hmm, I guess I shouldn't mention that strange nomenclature or inconsistancies are realistic, because, um 13:23:25 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:33 What is the issue with mermaids being merfolk? 13:23:36 ??realism 13:23:36 realism of crawl[1/11]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 13:23:49 <|amethyst> Red_Bucket: that implies that player merfolk are all male 13:23:57 <|amethyst> Red_Bucket: since they don't get mermaid abilities 13:24:09 Just rename them to sirens and greater sirens 13:24:14 that works 13:24:27 siren (11m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 73-96 | AC/EV: 4/12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(121), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1060 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:24:27 %??siren 13:24:31 hmm. 13:24:32 or not 13:24:46 alternatively just merge them with merfolk and randomize their tiles like it is done for abominations 13:24:47 still need a name for the maloderous mermaid, no? 13:25:44 or just make them into priests 13:25:59 and highpriest 13:26:22 The malarious mermaid is too strong in the current version if I recall. 13:29:32 was this temple layout ever fixed http://i.imgur.com/W57FZdn.jpg 13:29:56 |amethyst: +1 to removing the Mermaid monster. 13:30:38 Red_Bucket: I put together a patch for that, and I was told not to try it for now 13:30:45 simmarine: Looks like the gods aren't accepting worshippers that day 13:31:04 <|amethyst> simmarine: reaverb says it has in https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12238 13:31:22 oh okay 13:31:46 nice, tavern report 13:32:30 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-734-g2b8d6ef: Allow random monsters on random monster lists (#8520). 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b8d6ef895db 13:38:16 -!- nonethousand has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:13 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:47 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:34 -!- FVG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:49:31 -!- mjk600 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:50:33 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:50:37 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 13:51:54 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56:34 -!- Manslay[work] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:56:34 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [*.net *.split] 13:56:34 -!- kilobyte has quit [*.net *.split] 13:56:34 -!- Elsi has quit 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ZZZzzz…] 16:12:40 rast: well the other permaflight race can fly in forms too 16:13:22 so does a tengu/gargoyle in spider form have wings too? 16:13:27 thats a scary spider 16:13:34 or is the flight magical 16:13:52 or is this a case for the mst3k mantra? 16:14:03 if anything it'd be nice if VS kept the bite in forms >:V 16:14:03 tengu don't have wings anyway 16:14:19 gargoyles are just cool like that 16:14:45 -!- ChanServ has quit [shutting down] 16:15:05 what? 16:15:13 i thought tengu were like giant crows 16:15:26 tengu are weird 16:15:54 http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/250/4/6/tengu_by_jisuk-d2y7gkz.jpg 16:16:06 crawl tengu have beaks and talons and no wings 16:16:55 http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/tengu 16:17:01 why? 16:17:07 and for allowing flight in transformations it's just a matter of convenience since it doesn't affect balance or anything substantially and would require lots of special checks and warnings otherwise, iirc 16:17:15 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:17:20 why not/who cares 16:17:21 fair enough 16:17:30 I like the idea of winged gargspiders 16:17:41 transdimensional gargspider 16:17:43 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:46 sounds hideous 16:18:07 fr: tengu have wings 16:18:24 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:18:43 <|amethyst> and no more armour? 16:18:47 Imagine a winged spider flying directly at you, all 8 legs grasping for your face 16:18:55 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:59 <|amethyst> (not sure how gargoyles wear armour, but...) 16:19:10 Good fantasy monster 16:19:16 fr: gargs have wings (no cloak slot). also, lose half their innate ac and the dumb niche torment resistance thing 16:19:22 end of fr 16:19:31 it's fun to pretend 16:19:40 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:02 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:05 -!- rast- is now known as rast 16:20:06 maybe gargoyles fly magically like tengu too, who knows 16:20:27 -!- PsyMar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:35 I'm just a gargoyle hater 16:20:44 They could withstand the nerf 16:21:00 they really are the most easymode race 16:21:29 10 AC seems not-much for -2 HP 16:21:46 10 ac & poison immunity goes a long way in early game 16:21:51 plus good apts 16:21:56 (and early game is where most chars die) 16:21:56 Early game it would be ~2 ac 16:22:00 Being supereasymode is still a lot more interesting than grotesks 16:22:01 (though admittedly - yes) 16:22:25 !lg * recent s=killer 16:22:27 638376 games for * (recent): 92257x, 39247x a gnoll, 32451x an orc priest, 30084x an adder, 29314x a kobold, 28030x a hobgoblin, 23579x an orc wizard, 21362x a jackal, 17472x an ogre, 16789x Sigmund, 16631x an orc, 13392x an orc warrior, 12032x a goblin, 12019x a giant gecko, 10811x a worm, 9340x a centaur, 8652x Grinder, 6663x Crazy Yiuf, 5743x a worker ant, 5632x Terence, 4745x a killer bee, 469... 16:22:39 <3 orc priests 16:22:52 !won * gr 16:22:53 * (gr) has won 765 times in 61798 games (1.24%): 233xGrFi 144xGrBe 84xGrEE 54xGrGl 54xGrMo 17xGrCj 17xGrSk 16xGrCK 16xGrWn 13xGrFE 13xGrWz 11xGrAr 11xGrHu 10xGrAs 9xGrAK 9xGrVM 8xGrAM 7xGrEn 7xGrIE 7xGrTm 6xGrWr 5xGrAE 5xGrHe 4xGrSu 3xGrNe 2xGrDK 16:22:57 !won * recent 16:23:01 * (recent) has won 4305 times in 638378 games (0.67%): 195xGrFi 155xMiFi 125xGrBe 117xMiBe 60xHOFi 58xSpEn 53xDECj 52xGrEE 49xTrMo 47xDEFE 47xGrGl 46xCeHu 42xMiGl 39xOgHu 36xDDBe 34xDDFi 34xDsFi 31xDsGl 31xHOBe 31xOgBe 30xKoBe 29xLOFi 28xDrTm 28xDsBe 27xFoFi 27xVSMo 23xDEWz 23xGrMo 23xNaFi 22xDDEE 22xHOGl 22xLOBe 21xDsMo 21xVSBe 19xDgCj 19xMfGl 19xVpEn 18xHEFE 17xDgWn 17xDsNe 17xHaBe 16xDrCj 16xGr... 16:23:01 Huh, hobgoblins fell a lot 16:23:09 stealth hobgoblin nerfs 16:24:00 +3 hp in action, sad times 16:24:28 well realistically gargoyles should have extra hp since they are made out of stone 16:24:44 ??realism of crawl 16:24:44 idk. I can compromise on AC nerfs, I don't feel that strongly on the exact number, but gargoyles really are stupidly, boringly strong 16:24:44 realism of crawl[1/11]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 16:24:46 fascinating point 16:24:56 rast: tell me more about the realism of real thing, "hp" 16:24:58 :P 16:25:02 my real life friend who is made of stone has more hp than me yes 16:25:09 ;) 16:26:07 hm 16:26:09 !apt gr 16:26:09 Gr: Fighting: 1, Short: -1, Long: -1, Axes: -1, Maces: 1, Polearms: -1, Staves: 1, Slings: -1, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: 0, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 2, Shields: 1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: 1, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -2, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: -2, Earth: 2, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: -2, MP: 0 16:26:22 turn that 1 maces into -1 and they become a more interesting race 16:26:27 maybe 16:26:45 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:26:47 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:26:57 GrGl with a qstaff 16:27:11 maybe staves too. idk tho 16:27:13 i suppose you can make every race more interesting by setting all their weapon apts to the same value 16:28:05 no I mean - they have good weapon apts (well, apt), combined with innate ac & pois immune. they're really really good melee characters right now. 16:28:12 !won * grfi 16:28:13 * (grfi) has won 233 times in 18929 games (1.23%): 233xGrFi 16:28:19 !won * grbe 16:28:19 * (grbe) has won 144 times in 7846 games (1.84%): 144xGrBe 16:28:24 oh yeah, no question about that 16:29:01 !apt mi 16:29:02 Mi: Fighting: 2, Short: 1, Long: 2!, Axes: 2, Maces: 2, Polearms: 2, Staves: 2!, Slings: 1, Bows: 1, Xbows: 1, Throw: 0, Armour: 2!, Dodge: 1, Stealth: -1, Shields: 2!, UC: 1!, Splcast: -4, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -3*, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -2, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3, Air: -3, Earth: -2, Poison: -3*, Inv: 0, Evo: 0, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: -2* 16:29:18 when was gr armor apt reduced? 16:29:23 didnt it used to be +2 16:30:10 <|amethyst> it used to be -2 16:30:15 <|amethyst> %git 7cd7ebd 16:30:16 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-2346-g7cd7ebd: Gargoyle apt adjustments 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cd7ebd1a95a 16:30:38 dang, powerful garg buffs 16:33:40 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:34:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:35:22 idk. I like the idea of a race that trades max hp for ac. that's an interesting design space to explore. relec and permaflight are nice bonuses but not a big thing either way. poison immunity... might be kind of dumb in practice (it's not even 'realistic'), but I'm not inherently against it. 16:35:42 so basically I like the idea of gargoyles. 16:35:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:35:57 I just think the current implementation is a little too 'easy mode'. 16:36:14 -!- enygmata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:36:26 <|amethyst> %git 26a4de87 16:36:27 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-2387-g26a4de8: Give gargoyles and statue form poison immunity. 10(10 months ago, 3 files, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26a4de87d86b 16:36:43 goofy 16:36:47 they eat, but they can't be poisoned 16:36:50 *they eat, they drink, 16:37:05 "this isn't a living creature! how can it be poisoned!" *eats a whole yak* 16:37:06 <|amethyst> same holds for gargoyles 16:37:11 <|amethyst> err 16:37:13 <|amethyst> for ghouls 16:37:27 ghouls have a completely different food game. also, they are dead. 16:37:38 gargoyles eat things just like every other race. 16:38:04 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:38:18 idk. I'm not going to argue that they *shouldn't* have poison immunity for reasons of realism; I'm just not convinced that they *should* 16:38:19 <|amethyst> %git 7c14b238 16:38:19 07dolorous02 * 0.13-a0-1297-g7c14b23: Mark grotesks as artificial beings (prohibiting their being Death Knights). 10(12 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c14b2386103 16:38:20 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:40:50 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140506030204]] 16:41:45 !hs * GrDK 16:41:46 13. gammafunk the Petrodigitator (L27 GrDK of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2013-06-02 14:19:32, with 2159344 points after 139579 turns and 18:23:15. 16:41:52 just amazing 16:47:17 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:52:22 <|amethyst> http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/257sqb/is_something_wrong_with_the_installation_app_for/ 16:52:41 <|amethyst> Apparently our installer is being flagged as a trojan by some antivirus software 16:53:57 well, DCSS does have a tendency to stop you from doing anything else 16:56:55 re: gargoyle food, I always assumed their stone stomachs "digested" food by petrifying it 16:59:31 Clearly PleasingFungus just hasn't considered all of the ramifications of Gargoyle biology 17:04:45 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:11 -!- maahes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:07:59 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:00 if anything then i'd mess with their armor slots through mutations 17:08:29 -!- buki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:48 Remove body slot, give them better EV, remove food and potion, give natural stone arrow 17:08:57