00:00:25 <|amethyst> Grunt: oh, http://dobrazupa.org/saves/78291.cs 00:00:33 <|amethyst> Grunt: I went and backed it up and forgot to tell you 00:00:35 |amethyst: too late, but thanks anyway :) 00:01:06 (it was for reference for #8509) 00:01:22 Added wiki page for the Defensive God proposal: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:defense 00:01:48 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:01:51 File200, don't forget to start a thread on GDD for naming it! >_> 00:01:52 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:10 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:02:15 (also clearly start by anagramming Wsometing <3) 00:02:20 *Wsomething 00:02:22 I was going to wait until it was mostly done for that 00:02:50 (The way I code gods, I find it helps to have a name in mind so you don't have to go back and keep changing your enums :b) 00:02:51 The closest thing we have to a real name is Rundival 00:03:10 sounds like a unique 00:03:12 an adorable unique 00:03:29 I remember my change now (I think) 00:03:43 Rundival (03g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 124-175 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(108) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 4411 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:03:43 %??dwarf name:Rundival n_rpl hd:27 00:03:45 Does anybody mind if I reword Dith's descprtion to drop that "life force of the dungeon" thing. 00:03:45 <_< 00:04:05 Yes, it wounds like an adorable puppy. 00:04:08 sounds 00:04:11 Rundival 00:04:26 With 10 damage, it's ability to wound is that of a puppy. 00:04:35 hound (08h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 6 | sense invisible | Res: 06magic(12) | XP: 43 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 00:04:35 %??hound 00:04:43 a very big puppy 00:04:47 And presumably puppys do less damage than that. 00:04:49 Red_Bucket: not shown: the scythe of curses it's wielding 00:04:58 Going to assume nobody cares on the dith change. 00:05:11 What is that line suppose to mean 00:05:18 That dith likes killing dudes? 00:05:25 who doesn't, really 00:05:26 I care, change it to "light force" :p 00:05:28 Whoops 00:05:37 Haribor maybe? 00:05:40 That line dates back all the way to the original proposal, IIRC. 00:05:51 File200: I really really wouldn't worry about names right now 00:05:53 Red_Bucket: It means the god of darkness is even for some arbitary reason except not because reasons. 00:06:03 everyone else will give far more names than you'll ever need 00:06:12 BlastHardcheese: "The forces of flame" or something. 00:06:16 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:06:19 is exaclty what I had in mind. 00:06:22 crawl dev status: abort trap 6! 00:06:23 But if we do it now, we don't have to go back and change it later 00:06:36 I was thinking of making a poll 00:06:39 File200: Have you every tried vim search and replace. 00:06:47 changing an enum is trivial. 00:07:07 (or emacs I guess but emacs gives you repetitive strain injury) 00:07:19 make it the goofiest name possible, to avoid getting attached to it 00:07:31 just pick a name you like and ask for no one else's opinion 00:07:32 'rundival' is an excellent choice 00:07:38 Ah, I'll do that. I don't normally us vim 00:07:44 *use 00:08:15 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-467-g561eabc (34) 00:08:32 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:09:07 scroll of noise should become scroll of projected noise 00:09:13 vim is something I avoided for years at work (we use AIX at work, but I could map the unix drive and use windows editors). after getting my VPS (ramnode) I pretty much had to use a console editor, so I started using vim more. 00:09:18 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:20 Hmm, where are god descriptons. 00:09:21 scroll of cheesing zigs 00:09:22 ? 00:09:34 now when I save files at work (text files, word, excel), I automatically :wq 00:09:40 dat/descript/gods? 00:09:57 qoala: thanks. 00:10:07 Sorry I should be asleep but there's so much activity. 00:10:29 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:10:36 Sleep is for Aizul 00:10:48 hey, I'm braindead: http://pastebin.com/ZCdAjzuQ why is this causing a string-out-of-bounds exception 00:10:52 It seems that my psionics idea could never work for players. Perhaps psion enemies are still possible 00:10:54 I'm guessing it's the substr but I don't get how 00:11:07 But they would be extremely annoying, demonspawn levels of annoying 00:11:15 demonspawn are annoying? 00:11:37 PleasingFungus: Annoying in the sense that they can randomly be extremely dangerous 00:11:39 Hmm, actually I think I'll just delte the life force bit. 00:12:01 "desires�all�to�be�darkness. Followers of Dith gain..." 00:12:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because your base_filename is longer than your filename 00:12:56 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:01 Hmm, doesn't flow quite as well. 00:13:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: two things: 1. what's that if (filename.size() > ...) for? 00:13:36 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:13:47 Also, it's odd how much more mechanical the other god descriptions are. 00:14:03 PleasingFungus: Maybe look at god descriptions next? 00:14:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: 2. what is the get_dir_files supposed to be for? 00:14:43 What's the format for bones filenames that's relevant to that function? 00:14:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: 3. substr's first argument is the starting position, not the length 00:15:46 yeah, (3) was what's most confusing me here 00:16:05 <|amethyst> for that matter, what's the loop supposed to be for at all? 00:16:07 (but couldn't remember enough of the code context to help) 00:16:26 <|amethyst> it looks like you call _make_ghost_filename, then loop over all the files in the bones dir to see if that file exists 00:17:44 <|amethyst> s/call/intend to call/ 00:18:36 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:29 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:19:46 -!- paxed has quit [Quit: Hus sika metsään!] 00:19:47 artefact world_reacts are only called for the player, correct? 00:20:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:22 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:30 -!- paxed has quit [Changing host] 00:20:43 <|amethyst> qoala: correct 00:21:31 wyrmbane, however procs even if a monster is wielding 00:22:19 I'm considering possible formulations for an unrand callback triggered on general kills 00:22:33 What is gods.txt wrapping set to? 00:23:19 If you are in dragonform as a felid when a monster kills you with wyrmbane, does it get pluses? 00:23:27 -!- Sgeo_ has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 00:23:41 There's a special message, and a comment that it can't ever happen, even on a killing blow 00:24:04 I assume that is_dragonkind takes into account dragonform 00:24:26 With the various reworks to attack code, I'm not sure if that comment is still true or not 00:25:16 Interesting, should a wanderer start with two weapons? 00:25:34 Is one of them a ranged weapon 00:25:41 <|amethyst> or a dagger 00:25:46 No, a short sword and a dagger. 00:26:16 <|amethyst> // Give a dagger if you have stealth skill. Maybe this is 00:26:17 <|amethyst> // unnecessary? 00:26:42 <|amethyst> (you shouldn't get two daggers) 00:26:47 I did start with some stealth skill. 00:27:03 <|amethyst> err... if (you.skills[SK_STEALTH] > 1) 00:27:14 <|amethyst> that's not quite what the comment says 00:27:24 <|amethyst> 2 or more stealth I guess? 00:27:30 Yep. 00:27:48 (2.6) 00:28:28 wheals: Drat, I remembered the enum.h thing but forgot to put it in the final commit. 00:29:46 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-468-g4302105: Give monsters Necro skill iff they cast Necro spells (Red_Bucket) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43021054d07e 00:29:46 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-469-g9fc3c89: Remove Red Wasp chain paralysis 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fc3c89b7419 00:29:46 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-470-g2867f71: Don't lie with "You resist." (PleasingFungus) 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2867f71d276a 00:29:46 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-471-g925f14e: Remove the "life force" bit from Dith's description 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=925f14e1ba68 00:30:16 Yeah, a commit flood. I'm truely a dev now. 00:30:22 s/Yeah/Yay/ 00:31:48 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:35:32 Feh. Not until you get "... and X more commits". 00:35:33 :b 00:35:43 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:38:41 Grunt: Eh, that just means having a branch chilling on my harddrive as a rack up commits. 00:38:51 Maybe during the 0.16 toruney. 00:39:02 (How many commits causes that anyway?) 00:39:07 s/0.16/0.15/ 00:39:15 At least twelve. 00:40:47 I'm racking up commits pretty fast :D 00:40:51 Grunt: Yes 0.15 00:42:21 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 00:43:01 that giant eyeball message could be better :P 00:43:28 |amethyst: sorry, got a phone call 00:43:52 simmarine: Sure, any suggestion? 00:43:56 s? 00:43:56 I'm looping over the directory to see if I can find any files that are prefixed with find_ghost_filename() 00:44:00 not at the moment no 00:44:15 the size() check was supposed to prevent OOB on substring 00:44:17 Then it can't be better. Because nobody has thought of a better message. :D 00:44:20 but you're right, I fucked up the args 00:44:41 hence could!! 00:45:22 reaverb: maybe! I think I have unique dialogue queued up, but I'm not good at dialogue 00:45:28 so maybe I'll look at god descriptions instead 00:45:36 PleasingFungus: Your choice. 00:45:40 sure 00:45:41 of course 00:46:04 Hmm, any way to get the number of commits somebody has made from chei? 00:46:16 %git --author=reaver 00:46:16 07reaverb02 * 925f14e1ba68: Remove the "life force" bit from Dith's description 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=925f14e1ba68 00:47:02 hmm, maybe it's only possible through your clone 00:47:19 huh, new crash 00:48:00 0x00007fff8ad236de: std::basic_string, std::allocator >::basic_string(char const*, std::allocator const&) + 56 00:48:02 Or hm, not really since you drummed up your commits when you committed "--global" 00:48:22 from that same func, with the substr args corrected. 00:48:24 maybe I need to go to bed. 00:48:57 Basil: Yes I've switched to reaverb forever. 00:49:14 Unless I decide to give my real name sometime <_< 00:49:46 actually, why not just change your real name to reaverb 00:49:51 simplify! 00:50:02 niocolae-: Heh. 00:54:22 Is there a reason we marshall you.unrand_reacts? Wouldn't it be better to calculate that on unmarshall? 00:54:24 It looks like it's currently unsafe to add/remove world_reacts from existing unrands. 00:54:48 qoala: Maybe look at the git blame. 00:55:05 to find a reason. 00:55:32 reaverb: wait, you actually put in the ddoor+borg comment? 00:55:49 PleasingFungus: Yes why? 00:55:53 you literally can't do that 00:55:55 it was a joke 00:56:20 this code would trigger if you borged out of ddoor while paralyzed 00:56:22 but 00:56:25 you can't borg while paralyzed 00:56:39 also if you borged out of ddoor after being paralyzed 00:56:40 oh I guess if you had paralysis immunity from just coming out of paralysis 00:56:41 in teh tine window 00:56:42 PleasingFungus: No, you can still quaff !paralysis, wait for the IMMUNITY to hit (when you can still move around just after paralysis) and prog then. 00:56:45 in the tiny window 00:56:45 s/prog/borg/ 00:56:59 the most ridiculously improbably secret tech of all time 00:57:06 *improbable 00:57:07 fuck 00:57:14 I need to go to bed 00:57:50 Apparently unrand_reacts has been marshalled ever since 2009 in "the merger of fixed artefacts into unrandom artefacts" 00:58:04 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:10 personally I think that people should specifically be allowed to do that (ddoor/!para/borg) 00:58:15 because if they can actually pull that off 00:58:22 they are heroes 00:58:38 however I also feel I should sleep, so 00:58:39 PleasingFungus: The road to nethack is paved in cool ideas. 00:58:43 haha 00:58:54 PleasingFungus: ddoor duration is much longer than !para duration, so what is hard about pulling that off? 00:58:58 qoala: Those were seperate at some point? 00:59:01 Hmm. 00:59:05 I have no idea 00:59:10 yes, they were 00:59:22 elliptic: what is the point of doing that 00:59:23 I quoted the exact statement, because I don't know enough about how artefacts used to be structured 00:59:30 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59:49 before that you.special_wield was marshalled in that slot 00:59:56 the point is that you exit ddoor with already having full HP and unparalyzed, and you didn't need to use stasis 00:59:58 I guess you could ddoor, solve some problem that you can deal with in roughly half of ddoor's duration, then quaff !paralyze and cast borg's on the turn right after 01:00:16 PleasingFungus: Or get close to solving it. 01:00:20 And then quaff !curing. 01:00:32 Don't forget you're hasted because you didn't need !statsis 01:00:32 Apparently each of hte special effects was a unique enum 01:00:46 err, amulet of stasis. 01:00:56 potions of stasis are still on the Tavern. 01:00:58 it is not actually that implausible a use, I would probably use this if it were a thing 01:00:59 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:12 well, people have been asking for 'bad potions' to be made more useful 01:01:13 :) 01:01:16 joking. 01:01:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140505030202]] 01:02:16 qoala: i suppose it could be regenerated on load, or at least i don't see any reason why not 01:02:57 The way it is now, if we added a world_reacts to an existing unrand, players would need to re-equip it to reset the bitmask. 01:03:12 And if we removed one, it'd crash when it tried to blindly use the nonexistant world_reacts 01:03:34 Bad potions are what they say on the label. 01:03:35 Bad. 01:04:09 The best thing they can do is kill you while poisoned in D:2 and you're desperately trying to stop it. 01:04:27 And, I could expand it to a FixedBitVector so that having unrand_reacts on an unrand ring wouldn't break for octopodes or the finger amulet. 01:04:31 the worst thing is that they otherwise serve no purpose 01:04:38 Not that we'd want such, but at least there wouldn't be a technical limitation 01:05:06 sounds good, if you want to code it :) 01:05:06 poison, confusion, strong poison, decay, degeneration, paralysis 01:05:27 that's six potions that just decorate the dungeon 01:05:40 The other goal would be to add a parallel bitmask for unrand_on_kill that caches wielded/worn unrands with on_kill callbacks 01:06:23 (so that wyrmbane can properly proc by "stealing the last hit" from aux attacks. Which I recently helped break) 01:06:43 and opens up options for more fun unrands 01:07:38 Okay, I think that's my next project 01:08:06 more fun unrands, huh *gets out a big folder from a cabinet labeled BAD IDEAS* 01:08:19 maybe unrandarts are already pretty fun 01:08:29 but you don't really get to see the fun because they don't spawn 01:08:45 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 01:09:20 oh, i wasn't saying adding more unrands is a bad idea, but rather, that the ideas i have for new unrands are bad, as a bit of Self-Deprecating Humor 01:09:33 just a general remark, really 01:09:47 fair enough 01:09:53 Bloodbane, Jihad, Obsidian axe, Maxwell's coffin, GONNNGGG, necklace of bloodlust 01:10:07 i like the singing sword a lot but i wish it saw more use 01:10:15 ah yes, and the singing sword 01:12:32 general buff unrandarts (mask of the dragon/gauntlets of war/fencer gloves) are sweet, but those aren't the unrandarts i'm very interested in having more available 01:13:37 yeah, i have a lot of ideas for unrands that i ditch because they're basically just "item + stuff randarts can get anyway" 01:14:00 though i like thinking of items that don't have any associated unrands yet, like bucklers or gloves of archery 01:15:24 bloody sarge- er, targe !! 01:15:25 the -10 buckler "Thimble" (+7 Acc, +6 Dam) 01:15:33 Thimber 01:15:43 gloves of archery with an an attached buckler 01:15:55 you're a genius 01:16:02 all the benefits of a buckler for no cost!!!1!1! 01:16:22 (and archery gloves don't give negative melee slaying now so it's still good) 01:16:32 the +3 buckler "Dynamo" 01:17:01 also ontoclasm what do you think about my unparseable air elemental 01:17:05 when you get hit, it gains a charge; you can evoke it to cast static discharge with power based on the number of charges 01:17:22 Bloaxor: it's neat when at 64x64 01:17:29 i had thought of a gloves of archery that could be evoked to apport your ammo back to you 01:17:33 at 32x32 it looks like just a bunch of grey to me 01:17:46 hm, i think i just realized that ?blink failed even more often in the abyss than it was supposed to 01:18:09 ontoclasm: obviously the power should be based on your evocations 01:18:22 and the charges? that's the amount of times it casts static discharge 01:19:06 ontoclasm: you could probably try cutting some of its hair on the mid-left 01:20:30 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-472-g1566fb8: Freely allow blinking in the Abyss. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1566fb85ff91 01:20:32 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/m/avantgardemental5.png the colored version turned out pretty at the end of the day though 01:20:45 yay 01:21:43 now i won't be trapped by a surprisingly undying thrashing horror while a thousand screamers burst my mind 01:25:02 -!- notcluie is now known as notlucy 01:25:09 My latestest thought on the abyss: Instead of exists, there coule be "glow light" or whaterever. Glow lights are 10X as common as exits, and when you get 10+ you get an escape the abyss ability which consumes all your "glow lights" 01:25:26 -!- notlucy is now known as notcluie 01:26:14 that sounds vaguely like "get the RED KEY to open the RED DOOR" except ten times over 01:26:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:26:39 nicolae-: Well abyss exits are already like that. 01:26:39 not sure how it'd work with getting the abyss rune on abyss:5 01:26:51 Get the ABYSS EXIT to ESCAPE THE ABYSS 01:27:07 Get to THA CHOPPA to ESCAPE THE ABYSS 01:27:09 -!- notcluie is now known as notlucy 01:27:19 Bloaxor: Err, how would it no work? You got to abyss:5, get the rune, then grab 10 glow lights to escape? 01:27:32 -!- notlucy is now known as notcluie 01:27:36 reaverb: the entire abyss would be a stream of light 01:27:41 reaverb: do you remember my lantern suggestion for the abyss 01:27:50 ontoclams: No. 01:28:08 I would like to see it though. 01:28:12 lanterns would be neutral things with no attack that just float in the abyss 01:28:15 well, yes, "find the exit to escape" isn't really gratuitous, but "collect X items to make the door work" sounds... what's the word i'm thinking of, here. too game-y? 01:28:28 but when they die, they heal/haste everything adjacent to them 01:28:49 basically everything in the abyss now punishes you for not killing it 01:28:54 ontoclasm: Hmm, is this written down somewhere? (Tavern or wiki) 01:28:58 this would be the carrot instead of the stick 01:29:08 ontoclams: Yes, that does sounds sort of nice.. 01:29:16 no, i just mentioned it in here once or twice 01:29:17 (everything in the abyss is the beating stick) 01:29:38 I had my first abyss death recently. 01:29:39 (because wow you got abyssed good job stupidhead get whacked) 01:29:46 Which is why I came up with that proposal. 01:29:54 also, just today i had the thought of giving the player an exit compass 01:30:17 killing abyssal natives has a chance to create abyssal exits 01:30:17 as in, you get messages the way you do for ice caves 01:30:19 ontolclasm: Heh, "go here" 01:30:31 ontoclams: Ice caves give awful messages though. 01:30:38 well, better ones then 01:30:46 You sense an exit far to the southeast! 01:31:07 You sense an exit nearby, to the north! 01:31:16 you hear raging winds escaping to the south 01:31:29 but wait, the abyss exit was a mimic! 01:31:41 or, at least, "You sense an exit far to the southeast, or rather, what would be called the southeast in a more orderly plane of existence with cardinal directions." 01:31:47 sure 01:32:04 alternately: all players detect abyss exits the way ash worshippers do 01:32:21 That would be a bit annoying when the abyss shifts. 01:32:34 Oh you're two tiles away ? "YOINK" 01:32:51 oh you read acquirement? 01:32:55 You'd notice it more because you'd see the abyss exit like around the corner. 01:32:55 "YOINK" 01:34:41 I've got to go soon. 01:36:07 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 01:39:09 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:39:12 Does dith boost the power of umbra 01:41:13 I was wondering if making it so halo and umbra increase in bonuses with size, since increasing in size stops being meaningful after a while 01:41:30 But i feel that would get too powerful 01:43:35 And also reducing halo's ability to reveal invisible enemies. It lets you see where they are, but doesn't nullify the accuracy penalty. 01:53:34 I think I'm slowly getting the hang of this git stuff 01:53:43 -!- hhkb has quit [Quit: bye] 01:54:06 you guys were right (obviously). it's easier to just blow away the integration branch and then git merge --squash each feature branch 01:54:14 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:39 or yea, can do it without the --squash since it's pretty easy to recreate. esp if I do a little bit of work to ensure the branches merge without conflicts 01:55:29 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:55:57 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:58:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:59:57 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:01:29 Red_Bucket: It kind of already does since haloes give you an accuracy bonus. 02:01:51 Does it scale with the size of the halo 02:01:52 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 02:02:08 I don't think so. 02:02:21 I recall Dith's umbra being changed to do so wtih the inaccuracy bonus though. 02:04:24 What I want, in order to simplify things, is to have "light" as property with negative or positive value, which determines how big and powerful something's halo or umbra is 02:04:49 Reaver was thinking of something like that too, but I don't know if he wanted the scaling bonuses. 02:05:10 Also, streamline it so it can be a property for randarts. 02:06:40 Maybe it could even replace stealth/noise properties altogether, though these effects are a little powerful 02:07:54 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:48 -!- ayutzia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:34 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:06 It could replace the rings, certainly. 02:14:15 Ring of light and ring of darkness. 02:14:29 of course, since those are mundane items 02:14:52 they should also benefit monsters 02:15:27 Actually, it would just be "ring of light" with a positive or negative enchantment. 02:15:39 -5 ring of light gives a nice umbra 02:15:47 Or maybe it should be seperate 02:15:56 (unless TSO's halo actually gives monsters bonus accuracy against you and Dith's umbra gives inaccuracy to you when you attack monsters) 02:16:29 it would actually be funky to finally have an item where negative enchantment does something else but be floor trash 02:17:08 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-472-g1566fb8 (34) 02:17:52 A negatively enchanted ring of light reduces light. That's the logic behind having them on the same ego 02:19:25 There's a small flavor conflict with having umbra and darkness/nightstalker in the same game. 02:20:10 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:34 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:48 -!- File200 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27:35 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:33:19 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:46 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:40:31 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/elementals.png 02:40:32 hm 02:41:08 Not a fan of the maskfaces. 02:41:47 aw, why not? 02:45:15 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:45:44 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:47:14 Because elementals didn't have them before so they work against the established flavour of being entirely made from the element their summoned out of? 02:47:25 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:41 (Although I think that Summon Elemental spell I only tested a couple times is removed now?) 02:48:08 * ontoclasm shrugs 02:49:11 i thought it'd be neat for them to have a trait other than "thing made of fire" 02:50:55 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:51:00 -!- rast- is now known as rast 02:51:40 onontoclasm: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Giygas.png because it would work better if they barely had any face 02:52:08 Mostly looking at fire/water here. 02:52:51 well originally the masks were completely blank 02:53:01 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:53:38 as in https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/fire_elemental.png 02:54:19 It looks really slapped on, which is the biggest problem. 02:55:06 While having the material twist into something reminiscent of a face gives it a much more organic look. 02:55:25 i guess 02:56:29 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/666.png it also looks twisted so that's a bonus 02:57:00 see, that just looks liek a big pile of red 02:57:37 current earth elementals, for instanc, are just like 02:57:39 a brown thing 02:57:47 which was what i wanted to avoid 02:58:43 give them big glowy yellow eyes 02:59:04 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:59:23 green would do to 02:59:24 o 03:03:08 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:03:15 -!- _D_ has quit [Client Quit] 03:04:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:05:30 Alternatively you could try merging the masks more with the elementals. 03:05:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:46 instead of having them just sort of float there 03:06:24 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/fire_elemental3.png 03:06:28 anh 03:08:31 -!- _D_ has quit [Client Quit] 03:10:01 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:10:25 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:11:09 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:22:48 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:23:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26:39 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:58 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:58 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:30:23 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:31:34 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:32:30 ontoclasm: lava snake :^) 03:32:58 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 196 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 03:32:58 %??Fire elemental 03:33:07 Maybe it could use a bit more mass. 03:33:48 well, they're really fast and fragile so i made it long and thin 03:40:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:41:08 Ontoclasm: Perhaps make it twist a bit more. 03:41:24 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:41:29 Just one more loop before the head might do the trick. 03:41:30 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:51 Currently it's very much snake-shaped. 03:42:05 Which wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that lava snakes are A Thing. 03:43:27 loops are really hard to make though >.> 03:43:49 it could have an arm though 03:44:08 idk, i'll leave it for a while and come back 03:44:34 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/water_elemental3.png 03:45:20 <3 03:46:03 Maybe some dripping along the back, like from a wave? 03:52:19 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:53:23 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56:39 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:09:58 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:13:11 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 04:16:35 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:18:01 -!- eb has quit [] 04:18:27 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:19:05 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:19:13 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Client Quit] 04:27:42 -!- alefury has quit [] 04:29:54 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31:56 (Have you experimented with putting faces where they wouldn't go on a living thing? Like the water elemental's being on its right-base and looking up, or the fire elemental's being around the middle [subltey invoking the idea that each side of the flame is an arm, and the ele' is always reaching farther].) 04:48:21 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:50:48 -!- bzn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:50:54 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:06 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 04:55:07 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:14 -!- rast- is now known as rast 04:59:29 -!- sos has quit [Client Quit] 04:59:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:02:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11:49 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12:15 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:59 -!- Mad_Wack is now known as Mad_Wack_Away 05:18:03 -!- Mad_Wack_Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 08:41:26 as good a reminder as any to remove the fire/light conducts i guess 08:42:31 <|amethyst> and hasty conduct for chei? 08:42:58 hmm? that one has interesting effects 08:43:02 fire/light doesn't really 08:43:08 <|amethyst> or necromancy for the good gods 08:43:14 likewise necromancy, yes 08:43:27 fire isn't an interesting thing to restrict 08:43:50 it's one school of destructive spells (but you can still use destructive spells generally) 08:44:12 whereas necromancy and haste are very unique things to restrict 08:46:46 it's much more a flavour restriction than anything to do with changing gameplay decisions i think, which would probably be okay but it's very awkward to consistently enforce 08:47:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:23 (as was shown by how complicated it used to be when it covered "light" a lot more generally, affecting things like holy wrath weapons and so on) 08:49:02 -!- Alarkh_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:49:26 <|amethyst> I guess as I see it, it's no more complicated or awkward than things like unholy 08:49:33 <|amethyst> OTOH, that applies to three gods, not just one 08:50:02 <|amethyst> fire, that is, not light 08:50:33 <|amethyst> light barely exists in Crawl, and is mostly just for flavour except for halo and corona, so it's difficult to be consistent with 08:51:28 i suppose the main thing that makes them awkward (both fire and unholy) is that there are lots of items that can sometimes be forbidden (wands of random effects, chaotic things, etc) 08:51:45 anyway i'm not strongly opposed to the fire conduct, it's just something i'd mentioned to grunt before 08:52:48 <|amethyst> and I'm not strongly supporting it, but I'd like to see some kind of conduct there 08:55:59 <|amethyst> the chaos things applies to most "I don't like this kind of effect" conducts 08:56:49 yeah, i was thinking of fire as particularly awkward in that regard because i'd been looking at summoning spells recently 08:57:13 and there were lots of ways of summoning fiery monsters that aren't forbidden 08:57:32 <|amethyst> couldn't the monsters just reject you? 08:58:01 yeah, that would have pretty wide-ranging consequences though since you can incidentally get fiery monsters from a lot of spells 08:58:20 we already have TSO mostly letting you summon venomous monsters without caring (not sure whether that is actually a good thing though) 08:58:41 <|amethyst> oh, whereas the other ones mostly apply to either the summons that are already banned, or shadow creatures 08:59:06 yeah, i think for shadow creatures there's handling to reroll the summon if you get something that would be forbidden 08:59:11 <|amethyst> yes 08:59:20 that'd need to be added to a fair few more spells if we wanted it to behave that way for other conducts too 09:00:02 <|amethyst> or could just let them go hostile 09:00:22 <|amethyst> I guess that makes more sense for demons than it does for (say) dragons 09:01:52 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:52 or lindwurms from summon menagerie, yeah 09:02:35 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:03:06 <|amethyst> so I guess the difference is that summoning spells are pretty much all single-holiness 09:03:28 <|amethyst> but not so much for "uses fire" or "uses poison" 09:06:38 MarvinPA: thanks for fixing that spacing. What is the correct formating for gods.txt? 09:06:59 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:07:46 <|amethyst> We use single space after punctuation and commonwealth spelling and grammar 09:08:00 <|amethyst> in text in general 09:08:06 <|amethyst> (commit messages don't count :) 09:10:14 <|amethyst> Speaking of which 09:10:32 <|amethyst> We alternate fairly freely between "haven't" and "don't have" 09:10:38 <|amethyst> should those be more consistent? 09:10:40 -!- Amy has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:11:50 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:12 i'd prefer "don't have" for that i think 09:12:44 <|amethyst> In particular, these two: 09:12:52 <|amethyst> mpr("You don't have enough magic to cast that spell."); 09:13:01 <|amethyst> mpr("You haven't enough magic at the moment."); 09:13:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:13:27 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:28 yeah, i prefer "You don't have enough magic/vitality/magic capacity/Zot points/whatever", from a quick grep 09:13:43 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:55 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: for a BrE speaker, does the version with "haven't" sound old-fashioned? 09:14:15 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I'm an AmE speaker, so it sounds both old-fashioned and British to me :) 09:14:20 haha 09:14:23 -!- Bloax has quit [Client Quit] 09:14:30 yeah, a little old-fashioned i think 09:14:31 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:29 -!- SamB_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:21 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:17:03 Why do we use Commonwealth standards? Did Henzell use them? 09:18:40 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:41 Australians speak a variant of Commonwealthish, yes :p 09:20:51 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:21:01 <|amethyst> and for a long time we had more Europeans than Americans 09:21:30 -!- wat is now known as Furril 09:21:47 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:21:53 <|amethyst> but I think consistency is the more important factor 09:23:11 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:23:17 |amethyst: Yes, consistency is great. 09:23:44 Suprised there were more Eurpoeans at one point. 09:23:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:23:46 It's good to write in a blended variant of British and American English with a couple of self-inflicted mutations. 09:26:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:21 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:28:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:23 -!- notcluie is now known as guest271 09:30:45 -!- guest271 is now known as notcluie 09:33:46 <|amethyst> reaverb: the Canadians are trying to catch up though! 09:34:08 Hmm, will have to double check the dev team page. 09:35:04 <|amethyst> we need more devs from outside North America and Europe 09:39:50 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:42:44 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:42:59 -!- lessens_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:43:52 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 09:47:32 !tell grunt not a design concern but i think upheaval doesn't prompt to hit yourself (or allies?) 09:47:33 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 09:48:23 !tell grunt i'd probably agree that the branch looks ready-ish for merging, anyway 09:48:24 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 09:48:42 I know I wrote code for that warning; maybe it's broken :( 09:49:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:49:43 i think i've seen the disaster area one work 09:49:46 but not upheaval 09:49:51 talking about gods branch? 09:50:20 oh I think I may know what the problem is 09:51:08 (going to be gone for most of the day in a bit) 09:51:43 oh I guess not 09:51:44 hm 09:55:17 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:56:50 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:59:40 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:32 mm another really minor bug related to this which I'll fix at the same time 10:03:06 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:04:35 03Grunt02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-432-gca74e9b: Warn about Upheavaling yourself/allies (MarvinPA). 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 12+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca74e9b9465e 10:05:13 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:05:29 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:07:59 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:08:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:11:33 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:14:09 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:19:25 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-474-g56ef91b: Reword a warning prompt for Slouch 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=56ef91be33f3 10:19:28 * Grunt verifies that the commit list matches between gods and gods_34 barring things that were cherry-picked from trunk... 10:19:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:28 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:20:44 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 10:20:46 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 10:21:09 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:23:01 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:03 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:25:51 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:11 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:30:56 Grunt: any plans to make throwing things that aren't javelins and lcs rocks not terrible? 10:31:56 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:32:48 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:33 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:41 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:35:41 Hm. 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