00:00:10 Do chimera still inherit batty and blinking? 00:00:16 qoala: yes 00:00:19 oh wait, blinking is part of blink frog's attack 00:00:53 And also a blink frog spell. And a blink from special ability when you hit them. 00:01:35 and alternately approaching and retreating! 00:02:01 "I like them better like this." The golden dragon merges with the hydra! 00:02:25 Wait. If Xom could slap together monsters in LoS... 00:02:28 that would be excellent 00:03:25 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-350-g173670c (34) 00:03:56 Isn't there a small description problem with chimeras were it assumes the primary attack of every creature is its bite 00:04:10 Though that may be true for the things it applies to(beasts) 00:04:44 But humanoid-beast fusions could happen in the future 00:05:08 chimera (kobold, goblin, hobgoblin) (06H) | Spd: 10-30 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-15 | AC/EV: 1/11 | Dam: 4, 4, 5 | Res: 06magic(4) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 00:05:08 %??chimera 00:05:20 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:05:35 Okay, chimeras are chaotic aligned too. 00:08:23 Maybe chimera-fy could be a chaos effect too 00:09:18 -!- zardo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:11:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:29 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:50 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:16:37 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:02 when it gets BAD is when you do it with spellcasters. 00:17:29 Not really, they still can only use one spell a turn 00:17:58 chimera (deep elf demonologist, tengu reaver, Killer Klown) (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 41-65 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12, 27, 3004(fire:12-23) | Res: 06magic(48) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 877 | Sp: blink; sum.demon, banishment, b.lightning (3d18), sum.greater demon / sum.demon, banishment, b.magma (3d21), sum.greater demon / sum.demon, banishment, b.venom (3d17), sum.greater demon | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:17:58 %??deep_elf_demonologist-tengu_reaver-killer_klown chimera 00:18:02 like that. 00:19:15 Int is always animal so it cuts spellpower on some spells 00:19:52 also, since it always keeps the HD of the first monster...it can cut or boost the hell out of them too. 00:20:06 chimera (butterfly, deep elf demonologist, tengu reaver) (06H) | Spd: 17 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 0/25 | Dam: 12, 27 | !sil | Res: 06magic(4) | Vul: 09poison, 11silver | XP: 2 | Sp: banishment, sum.demon, b.lightning (3d10) / banishment, sum.demon, b.magma (3d9) / banishment, sum.demon, b.venom (3d6) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:20:06 %??butterfly-deep_elf_demonologist-tengu_reaver- chimera 00:20:37 chimera (golden dragon, deep elf demonologist, tengu reaver) (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 92-126 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 40, 12, 27, 20 | !sil | Res: 06magic(72), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison | Vul: 11silver | XP: 1653 | Sp: b.fire (3d27), b.cold (3d27), sum.demon, b.lightning (3d22) / b.fire (3d27), b.cold (3d27), sum.demon, b.magma (3d27) / b.fire (3d27), b.cold (3d27), sum.demon, b.venom (3d22) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 00:20:37 %??golden_dragon-deep_elf_demonologist-tengu_reaver chimera 00:21:08 -!- ebarrett has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:21:49 Hmm, two small adjustments I think it should have is "always int of the highest int part" and "add fraction of hp and xp from the secondary parts" 00:22:19 Also, a wizlab with chimeras 00:22:35 Maybe give them to cigotuvi since it's such a horrible lab 00:22:37 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:54 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:08 Another potential with chimeras is giving shadow creatures the potential to make them if the monster list doesn't allow something to match the spell power. 00:24:24 te reason the butterfly one is so low is the HD:1 ...not to use average HD instead of first monsters, basically I mean... 00:24:39 chimera (green rat, orange rat, rat) (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 5/11 | Dam: 10, 2013(drain), 3 | evil | Res: 06magic(8) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 11 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:24:39 %??green_rat-orange_rat-rat chimera 00:24:46 shouldn't be different than 00:24:56 chimera (rat, green rat, orange rat) (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3, 10, 2013(drain) | evil | Res: 06magic(4) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:24:56 %??rat-green_rat-orange_rat chimera 00:25:05 It's because the chimera has the body of the first creature and heads of the other two 00:26:04 that's not exactly intuitive though 00:26:34 I think it's mentioned in the description 00:26:37 awww... polymorphing a chimera apparently doesn't create a different chimera 00:27:14 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 00:28:51 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:30:17 If turning things into chimeras is implemented, the effect should be called "monster mash" 00:32:25 If you cast it at a graveyard it just smashes them all for lots of damage 00:34:38 -!- Cheburashka has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:37:25 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:37:40 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 00:39:01 !learn add MiraclePrism If turning things into chimeras is implemented, the effect should be called "monster mash" If you cast it at a graveyard it just smashes them all for lots of damage 00:39:54 why can't I do that? 00:40:03 is it because it pisses me off? 00:40:37 Because you're doing it on the wrong channel. 00:40:45 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:41:36 nope can't anywhere 00:42:09 Dunno then. 00:43:29 doome (L9 OpAs) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 00:43:57 >_< 00:44:08 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:44:12 oh is that the same one I saw in Chei earlier? 00:44:21 ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 611: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) 00:44:21 %??lost soul 00:44:38 different line, but same 'invalid monster type 1000' 00:49:26 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:38 Why am I here? 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quit [] 10:26:56 notcluie (L19 TeSu) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type -1 (-1) (Depths:4) 10:27:34 notcluie (L19 TeSu) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type -1 (-1) (Depths:4) 10:32:19 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:16 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:34:36 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:36 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:25 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:25 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:47:31 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:57 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:53:07 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:53:48 Nameless Yredelemnul; The spectral human offers itself to nameless. by FishServ 10:54:15 -!- Ahrin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:55:19 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:59:08 !lg * won race!=fe min=ac 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[ac=0] syllogism the Farming Petrodigitator (L27 HECj of Lugonu), escaped with the Orb and 12 runes on 2008-01-31 18:16:01, with 2201196 points after 225728 turns and 15:46:57. 10:59:21 Question: what does 'Farming' mean. !title doesn't know it. 10:59:46 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140429030201]] 10:59:58 -!- somesortofthing has quit [Client Quit] 11:00:03 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:19 ??farming 11:00:19 farming[1/1]: "Farming" or "Farmer" is added to the titles of games lasting longer than 200,000 turns by the Sequell. 11:01:03 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:13 !learn e farming[1] s/the Sequell/Sequell/ 11:01:14 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:14 farming[1/1]: "Farming" or "Farmer" is added to the titles of games lasting longer than 200,000 turns by Sequell. 11:01:23 a Sequell 11:02:20 one Sequell, two Sequells 11:02:43 -!- edlothiol has left ##crawl-dev 11:04:06 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:12 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:46 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:10:02 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10:55 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:55 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:02 -!- GummyVite has quit [Client Quit] 11:17:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:19:36 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:20 -!- fuuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:12 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:22:32 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:58 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:29:26 Bloaxor 11:30:57 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:57 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:25 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:38 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 11:33:03 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:35:30 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:59 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:43:19 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:50:36 -!- Bamboomancer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:50:59 -!- GummyVite has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:51:35 -!- djanatyn1 is now known as djanatyn 11:52:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:54:53 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:57:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01:39 -!- MgDark_DECj has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 12:02:10 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:34 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09:36 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-353-g7a836a1 (34) 12:10:01 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:50 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 12:20:18 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:28 -!- Ultragnash has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:25:10 -!- Fuzzwah_ is now known as Fuzzwah 12:25:15 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:39 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27:41 03MarvinPA02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-376-ga78be9e: Fix typo in Gozag description 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a78be9e543cc 12:27:43 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:29:59 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:59 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:18 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38:24 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:46 -!- Pepe has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 12:47:47 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:48:06 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-354-g4bbc29f: Remove an unused argument from identify(). 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bbc29f47b2c 12:48:47 wow good 12:49:05 has that been unused since divinations removal 12:51:10 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:57:43 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:18 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:59:34 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 13:01:48 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:34 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:35 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:15 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:16 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:44 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:10:45 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:46 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:58 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:36 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 13:15:59 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:17:04 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:28 -!- Basil is now known as Guest70752 13:18:10 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:20:04 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:10 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 13:24:18 -!- Xeiph has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:27:49 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:04 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:42 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: no, it was used until recently so that the ?id didn't list itself as a target 13:30:51 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: unnecessary now that it IDs itself first 13:30:57 aha i see 13:31:04 <|amethyst> err 13:31:05 <|amethyst> wait 13:31:09 <|amethyst> never mind 13:31:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:18 <|amethyst> I misread, it was 'power' that was removed, not 'item_slot' 13:31:20 <|amethyst> :P 13:31:45 <|amethyst> and I think you're right :) 13:31:49 heh 13:36:44 !seen Grunt 13:36:45 I last saw Grunt at Fri May 2 14:29:44 2014 UTC (4h 7m ago) saying 'rip' on ##crawl-dev. 13:36:51 goodgrunt 13:37:13 !send Grunt "I played a bit with a Troll of Qazlal and it was ridiculous how I could sneak up on people. Is there actually some distraction mechanic where the random shit all over makes enemies even less likely to notice me in the middle of it?" might need that stealth- after all? 13:37:13 Sending "I played a bit with a Troll of Qazlal and it was ridiculous how I could sneak up on people. Is there actually some distraction mechanic where the random shit all over makes enemies even less likely to notice me in the middle of it?" might need that stealth- after all? to Grunt. 13:38:28 good send 13:38:36 haha 13:38:50 maybe should have broken that up into two messages 13:38:51 idk 13:38:52 What do people say to removing summon (greater) demon to make Makhleb's invocations more unique? 13:39:04 PleasingFungus: you did !send not !tell 13:39:07 fuck 13:39:46 also fwiw i just played a minotaur of Q and everything on the level attacked me at once constantly, so no clue what's happening there 13:39:54 presumably pro stealth skillz 13:40:09 also it hurts my eyes to play so i'm trying gozag 13:40:11 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:40:12 !send not !tell 13:40:12 Sending !tell to not. 13:41:16 i tried . glyph clouds but then they're just hard to see when you do care about them 13:41:20 so i dunno 13:42:41 Bcadren: what 13:44:13 Summon Demon and Lesser Servent are almost identical. Greater Demon less so. (in both cases the difference is the spells give greater variety than the Invo). 13:46:26 except you know 13:46:29 makhleb is the demon god 13:46:42 skill investment? 13:46:58 so him not letting you summon a demon servant is kind of eh 13:47:07 MakMorn is the demon god and his invos are less powerful than the spells...also weird. 13:47:12 there's also the stormgod coming up 13:47:30 Bloaxzorro I said removing the Summoning Spells, not the Makhleb invos. 13:47:43 oh 13:47:57 oh 13:48:12 that seems alright then 13:48:34 (i am extraordinarily messed up right now) 13:51:12 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:17 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:44 PleasingFungus: are you going to fix your message? 13:57:52 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:57:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:07 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 13:59:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-355-g82bdbca: Remove another unused argument to item scroll functions. 10(21 minutes ago, 5 files, 12+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82bdbcafbe04 13:59:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-356-gb5bcda9: Staticalise identify() 10(65 seconds ago, 3 files, 90+ 91-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5bcda95b3dc 13:59:04 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: it was unused after all :) 13:59:15 haha, nice 14:00:05 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:00:09 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 14:00:35 what did power do when identify was a spell 14:00:52 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:54 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 14:00:54 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:09 -!- Guest70752 is now known as Basil 14:07:18 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:07:53 crawl needs *identify* 14:08:17 <|amethyst> ackack: doesn't that mean, "identify needs to do less"? 14:08:23 you mean a divination spell, right 14:08:48 |amethyst: mostly it means i was making a silly 14:08:59 (entirely, actually) 14:11:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:54 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 14:12:22 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:36 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:58 notcluie (L21 TeSu) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type -1 (-1) (Depths:4) 14:22:26 -!- Jdc1197 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:23:57 !bug 8462 14:23:58 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 14:24:13 Any objections to changing the messages on losing robust / frail so this doesn't happen? 14:25:45 there are a lot of mutations where gaining the opposite gives the same message as losing it 14:26:00 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:03 wheals: Hmm, in that case maybe those should be changed too. 14:26:12 ...ok, if you think so 14:27:23 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:36 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:04 wheals: Yes, robust/frail is the only place it could theoretically be a problem, I won't change it. 14:33:47 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! 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(Herbavore and Carnivore), which doesn't seem worth the trouble. 14:51:32 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:51:46 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 14:52:22 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:53:18 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:27 You seem to have gotten the veggie munchies. 14:53:35 Your veggie munchies grow stronger! 14:53:50 Your veggie munchies have taken over! 14:54:33 You feel a certain hunger for mortal flesh. 14:55:23 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:26 Your hunger for flesh has grown stronger. 14:55:31 Your stomach demands meat! 14:58:34 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:59:58 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:01:47 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:31 reaverb would werewolf work as a god? (Switch is random based on time (not as frequent as Xom effects); got has a semi-fast piety decay so you can't wait around) god has different bonuses for you as a wolf and you as a [insert your normal race here] God overall flavoured as a god of the duality; embrancing chaos and order. [Wolf form itself a bit of a bonus; almost Troll-good UV bonuses at the cost of Felid-level equipment restrictio 15:04:03 Bcadren: I think it has been rather clearly concluded that random lycanthrophy doesn't work. 15:04:26 Bcadren: A) That's not something to target directly at a particular dev B) Depends how fast the piety decay is (would have to be really fast. 15:04:51 Also, I think there's too much equipment restriction in the game already and don't like the idea of Felid restrictions on wolf form. 15:05:35 If anything it could work alike to the thorn god someone proposed. 15:05:42 Except where you get more and more feral. 15:05:54 without losing equipment slots because that would be bad 15:06:02 Bloaxor the problem with it was always that it needed a clear way to prevent the player waiting it out or speeding up the transform. a god making the switch random...and having piety decay fast enough to prevent 5 spam would do it. 15:06:31 Except at those rates you would have to be almost excommunicated unless you were speedrunning. 15:06:50 And with sprint-rate piety gains. 15:07:04 -!- Basil has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:09:01 Dragon Form (spell) temporarily gives you felid-level equipment restrictions in return for the best UC in the game and +50% HP. [Bad dodging and 16 AC too, but...] 15:09:33 "too much equipment restriction in the game" != "all equipment restriction is fine" 15:09:40 s/fine/bad/ 15:09:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:04 Most cases are make sense individually, but together I find the mechanic oversued. 15:10:09 reaverb: my message to grunt? 15:10:15 That you !sent 15:10:42 Rather than !told 15:12:06 except you cast dragon form when you want to cast dragon form 15:12:14 not when NotXom turns you into a werewolf 15:13:44 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:14:31 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:47 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:20:32 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:20:45 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 15:22:29 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:25:53 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:29:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:11 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:30 reaverb: nah, I'm trying to get more info from the guy who I quoted before saying anything more 15:29:31 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:37 (sneaky qaz troll) 15:29:47 PleasingFungus: Sure. 15:30:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:43 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:30:52 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:31:03 gonna pull out the god_conduct() function that we were talking about once I get home. like I said in the comment, i figured it wasn't worth trying to push through as a separate patch on my own, but with reaverb, code quality sleuth, around... 15:31:07 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 15:31:22 PleasingFungus: Heh, Thanks. 15:31:30 that's your thing! 15:31:34 * reaverb is worried about this responsibilty. 15:31:48 it is a heavy responsibility 15:31:55 but I am confident you will bear it with dignity 15:32:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32:26 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:32:52 also may or may not rename mana barbs. it's a a weird name, like MarvinPA said, but 'unholy magic' seems a little unspecific. I really want to use something like 'tainted/corrupted mana', but both of those terms are taken by other effects... 15:33:14 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:35 well it'll say "unholy magic (qstaff of the hellbinder)" or whatever won't it? corrupted mana also seems fine to me 15:34:51 basically anything but mana barbs would be an improvement :P 15:34:59 oh yeah I guess it will 15:35:19 -!- Red_Bucket has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:42 when I get back I'll grep around - there was some reason I wasn't using those terms 15:37:10 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:37:20 "your magic feels tainted" is the sap mana message, don't think corrupted is used in the context of mana/magic anywhere 15:38:28 oh yeah also mana barbs is bad because it's magic not mana 15:38:36 <|amethyst> "mana" isn't used anywhere else, either 15:38:41 except now mana vipers exist and ruined that i guess 15:38:50 and magic viper sounds bad 15:39:03 <|amethyst> psionic viper 15:39:11 <|amethyst> mind viper 15:39:13 <|amethyst> brain viper 15:39:44 sapper snake 15:39:47 <_< 15:40:04 purple snake 15:40:20 "it is a vivid shade of amethyst." 15:40:42 <|amethyst> an amethyst snake with an ankh 15:40:43 Has anyone proposed a mime monster that creates invisible walls 15:43:46 that's interesting 15:44:06 can smite targeting go through glass walls? 15:44:12 I would assume no 15:44:21 Red_Bucket: No, sounds a bit more like a unique's thing. 15:44:57 Since it's a bit of an interface screw. (Normal invisible monster tracking x10) 15:45:34 a unique that creates a 7 block mine wall around the monster where the only open spot is directly opposite the player 15:45:57 and allows some spell targeting through the mime walls 15:46:08 sounds rough 15:46:08 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:00 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:17 What spells should an ancient lychee monster have? Crystal pear and summon death cobs isn't enough. 15:50:00 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:00 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:20 03reaver02 07* 0.15-a0-357-gf0ffff9: Use x_chance_in_y() in _place_uniques() 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0ffff997697 15:51:58 Fruit storm 15:51:59 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:52:31 ??ncrawl[644 15:52:31 I don't have a page labeled ncrawl[644] in my learndb. 15:52:40 ??ncrawl[see here 15:52:40 ncrawl[3/8]: You see here 644 chokos. 15:53:16 ??prune glaive 15:53:16 I don't have a page labeled prune_glaive in my learndb. 15:53:23 ??glaive of the prune 15:53:24 I don't have a page labeled glaive_of_the_prune in my learndb. 15:53:28 ??Glaive of Prune 15:53:28 glaive of prune[1/4]: +4,+12 vorpal purple glaive. Unfortunately will *not* turn you into a prune, even if you are a scummy. 15:53:44 ??glaive of prune [2 15:53:44 glaive of prune[2/4]: Zin still hates the weapon, though. 15:53:46 ??glaive of prune [3 15:53:46 glaive of prune[3/4]: GOD HATES FIGS 15:53:49 ??glaive of prune [4 15:53:49 glaive of prune[4/4]: v - the ring "Prunes" {MR Dex+3 Dam+4} 15:53:59 Does this weapon give you vulnerability to silver? 15:54:38 Red_Bucket: more of a ##crawl question, unless you're trying to create a design discussion. 15:56:08 If zin hates the prune glaive, it presumably causes a state of partial transformation and therefore should make you vulnerable to silver. 15:56:48 what uses silver in the game 15:56:56 besides yaktaurs with silver bolts 15:57:17 merfolk javelineers 15:57:31 silver bears 15:57:44 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 15:57:45 notcluie (L24 TeSu) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): random nonbase draconian (2007) (Zig:7) 15:57:49 Can sling bullets be silver, because fauns use slings 15:57:59 Also, agnes can have the lajatang of order 15:58:00 why do fauns exist 15:58:28 because someone decided forest was not bad enough to be removed 15:58:44 also none of these things use silver as part of their normal arsenal as much as it is due to equipment randomization 15:58:53 s/be removed/be removed completely 16:00:23 What's so bad about fauns anyway 16:00:48 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00:59 faun (03c) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 37-64 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 23 | 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 542 | Sp: corona, melee, confuse / corona, slow, melee | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 16:00:59 %??Faun 16:01:01 They confuse you and corona you and they're ranged. 16:01:03 notcluie (L24 TeSu) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type -1 (-1) (Zig:8) 16:01:11 oh and they hurt a lot 16:01:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:01:21 (because they're ranged) 16:01:43 How do people do shoals without deflect missiles 16:01:44 they are also more or less the least dangerous monsters in shoals 16:01:51 Bloaxor: Maybe they'll be redeemed by the Ranged Combat branch! 16:01:55 fire storm will do nicely 16:02:02 fighting and XL27 also help 16:02:10 Red_Bucket: That's a very poor argument. Berserker, for example. 16:02:21 Also you should not need a particular spell to do a branch. 16:02:49 (Which is also why you currenlty don't need Repel Missiles to do the Shoals and it would be a bug if you did.) 16:03:11 You don't need it, but it makes it much more tolerable. 16:03:22 because rmsl for some reason trivializes ranged enemies 16:03:36 err, no it doesn't 16:03:39 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:03:45 heavy armor and awesome weapons 16:04:41 if you have no rpois and you're xl16 and the alternative to shoals is snake then what else do you do 16:05:11 run around snake isolating things that aren't sharpshooters 16:05:23 because everything in snake (except snakes) is slow 16:06:43 I did snake and didn't even realize I was in the rune vault until I found the rune at the end 16:07:20 Red_Bucket: I've done that with the Lair. (Didn't realize I was on the last floor until I couldn't find a >) 16:07:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:07:59 That rune vault is so damn huge that the enemies are really spread out and it doesn't seem like you're fighting the honor guard. 16:08:10 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 16:08:15 depends on the vault 16:08:25 the one where two staircases are right next to the rune is kind of nasty 16:09:00 I seem to recall a big U shaped snake end that has tons of greater nagas and guardian serpents all smooshed together. 16:09:52 then there's also the lava one where the rune is in a small room with like a dozen anacondas 16:10:02 but that thing is basically "read tele, open door" 16:10:52 Has this suggestion been proposed/refuted before? Make all M_MAINTAIN_RANGE enemies slow. 16:11:01 Kvaak: That rune vault is so ugh. 16:11:09 So much nasty stuff to kill. 16:11:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:21 And now anacondas can be replaced with shock serpents too. 16:11:25 So have fun with that. 16:11:35 shock serpents are bad, yes 16:11:49 the least reason not being the fact you can't just nuke them down 16:11:54 take it to ##crawl please 16:16:44 03MarvinPA02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-377-g85c89dc: Redraw AC/EV/SH when gaining or losing Gozag's gold skill bonus 10(52 minutes ago, 3 files, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85c89dc0c9d0 16:16:44 03MarvinPA02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-378-g140c01c: Give a prompt when bribing branches 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 19+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=140c01c35bb9 16:16:44 03MarvinPA02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-379-g3afbd99: Reword the message for attempting to join Gozag with no gold 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3afbd99a0689 16:19:28 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:31 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:57 uh 16:22:11 I just thought of the best Donald line ever if you worship Q 16:22:23 give it to me 16:22:30 "It's cloudy. I hate that." 16:24:04 "I hate storms." 16:24:11 "Do you have an umbrella?" 16:24:14 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:24:26 "It's cloudy with a chance of me hating that." 16:24:48 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:48 There should be a language: donald setting 16:28:07 <|amethyst> I'd accept a patch for that 16:28:13 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:28:36 Ugh, a hellion comes into view. 16:29:27 -!- RZX has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 16:30:02 where does donald live that has hellions 16:30:32 Ugh, a hobgoblin comes into view. 16:31:05 Donald says, "Ugh, a player comes into view." 16:32:22 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:12 "You couldn't be any louder with all those storms." 16:35:26 I think there's a bug with fsim and cleaving, it's taking an insanely long time 16:35:41 and there's only one enemy 16:35:52 minmay: Maybe something got broken when cleaving went from 7 squares to 8? 16:36:00 Lightli: "The gonging! The gonging! Make it stop! Make it stop!" 16:36:16 (fr: an axe like devastator except with tornado) 16:36:28 Call it Whirlwind. 16:36:35 yes 16:37:08 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:02 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:02 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:01 Can we have an unrand polearm that attacks through enemies it reaches past. 16:41:11 make it a lance that kills dragons 16:42:06 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:00 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:59 yes 16:46:04 please make Wyrmbane even better than it already is 16:47:09 well how often do you get to have fun with it 16:47:14 Let me look at the list of current unrand polearms and see if any of them could fit in a little extra spice 16:47:35 there's prune, wyrmbane and glaive of the guard 16:48:38 Prune and wyrmbane already do something special 16:48:53 ??prune 16:48:54 prune ~ rune[1/2]: Mystic keys (and status symbols) - you need at least three to enter Zot. They can be found at the end of some (but not all) dungeon branches, in Abyss:3-5, or in certain levels in Pandemonium. Runes are permanent, weightless once picked up, and tracked outside of inventory. 16:48:59 ??glaive of the prune 16:48:59 I don't have a page labeled glaive_of_the_prune in my learndb. 16:49:06 what does prune do 16:49:17 ??Glaive 16:49:17 glaive[1/2]: Two Handed Polearm. Damage: 15, Accuracy: -3, Speed: 17 16:49:22 you hit things with it 16:49:24 ??Glaive of Prune 16:49:24 glaive of prune[1/4]: +4,+12 vorpal purple glaive. Unfortunately will *not* turn you into a prune, even if you are a scummy. 16:49:25 It gets hated by zin 16:49:25 they die pretty fast 16:49:26 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:49:30 oh 16:49:38 ??Obsidian axe 16:49:38 obsidian axe[1/2]: A +12, +15 broad axe of chopping that mesmerises you whenever a monster is in sight. +3 Str, SInv, +Fly, always recurses, sometimes summons a usually-friendly demon (3 or 4) when you kill stuff. Also cures confusion when you're mesmerised. 16:49:46 ??Broad axe 16:49:46 broad axe[1/2]: Damage 13, Acc -2, Delay 16. 16:49:47 ??Glaive 16:49:47 glaive[1/2]: Two Handed Polearm. Damage: 15, Accuracy: -3, Speed: 17 16:49:48 -!- Zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50:01 basically an obsidian glaive without the mesmerization shenanigans 16:50:05 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:50:16 Trident of the octopus kind also doesn't do anything special aside from complete the octopus king set 16:51:55 IMO, every unrand should do something special. 16:52:34 I'd honestly agree with that 16:52:58 (probably) the vast majority of them don't, especially armour/jewellery 16:53:33 Ones that show up often as vault loot are tolerable though 16:53:38 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:54:13 Because you have something to draw from if you don't want to risk the acquirement code making something crappy. 16:54:30 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:55 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:47 Eh, I guess special flavor is fine too 16:56:46 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59:01 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:01 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:58 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:59:58 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:01 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:10 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Client Quit] 17:01:13 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:01:26 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 17:04:05 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:07:07 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:07:26 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:07:44 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 17:08:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:09:59 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:05 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-357-gf0ffff9 (34) 17:10:22 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:13:29 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:51 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20:07 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:34 Anybody have an opinon on possibly making all M_MAINTAIN_RANGE monsters slow? 17:21:58 <|amethyst> battlesphere? 17:22:10 <|amethyst> also, slow spiders? 17:22:40 |amethyst: Yes, slow spiders. I forgot to say "except battlesphere" 17:22:58 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:03 It's not any more out of place than spiders throwing magic orbs at you. 17:23:47 <|amethyst> how about trying move speed 10 first? 17:24:09 <|amethyst> or are lost souls still too annoying? (I haven't played against them) 17:24:20 |amethyst: It's not quite as dramatic. If slow is too slow than speed 10 can be tried. 17:24:47 (Curse skulls are complained about and speed 10 but they also have unique movement behavoir) 17:25:26 <|amethyst> and the reason for this is so you can do spider melee-only? 17:26:30 |amethyst: Well, it melee would still be punished, but it would make the effect less dramatic. 17:27:07 <|amethyst> hm 17:27:18 -!- palacebeast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29:54 -!- Ultragnash has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30:11 <|amethyst> !lg * recent spider s=killer 17:30:12 1707 games for * (recent spider): 272x a wolf spider, 232x an orb spider, 149x a jumping spider, 146x an emperor scorpion, 91x a redback, 87x a ghost moth, 62x a tarantella, 58x a demonic crawler, 45x, 45x Jorgrun, 43x Arachne, 40x Nikola, 39x a red wasp, 37x a trapdoor spider, 26x Wiglaf, 25x Aizul, 18x orb spider, 17x Agnes, 15x Asterion, 14x Azrael, 14x an illusion of Mara, 13x a boulder beetle... 17:30:51 I don't think that leathality is very relevant - the HD could be adjusted monster by monster or something. 17:30:59 unknown monster: "orb spider HD:15" 17:30:59 %??orb spider HD:15 17:31:22 <|amethyst> increasing HD on orb spider is a bad idea :) 17:31:31 <|amethyst> but hp etc 17:31:36 |amethyst: Or HP, or other defenses... 17:31:45 <|amethyst> probably the 20-energy casting should be removed to compensate 17:32:04 <|amethyst> since every cast or orb or orb charge will let you catch up with them by one step 17:32:18 <|amethyst> s/cast or/cat of/ 17:32:23 <|amethyst> s/cat/cast/ 17:32:44 <|amethyst> I'm still not convinced it's needed 17:32:54 Slow or 20-energy? 17:33:25 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:33:28 <|amethyst> They cast at half speed (20 energy rather than 10 to cast) 17:33:40 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 17:33:53 <|amethyst> hm 17:34:11 <|amethyst> maybe instead they should get 1 or 2 turns paralysis whenever they cast (an orb or charge an orb) 17:34:23 <|amethyst> and keep the fast speed 17:34:28 <|amethyst> s/speed/movement/ 17:35:50 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:36:00 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:39:45 |amethyst: I don't want to make any broad statments since I'm not a good enough player to regularly see monster, but I'm pretty sure Curse Skulls and Lost Souls are more annoying / anti-melee than orb spiders. 17:40:17 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:26 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:57 -!- neal___ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47:11 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:47:14 Grunt: Steel darts are so amazing in ranged_combat. 17:47:22 i am legitimately enjoying OgHu at the moment 17:47:27 Great job! 17:49:14 Does ranged_combat have any learndb entries yet 17:50:28 And on another note: has a race every gone through a drastic aptitude reform? 17:50:40 s/every/ever 17:51:13 Red_Bucket: Orges and Orge Mages were combined, that's all I know of. 17:51:24 If anything I'd like ogres to get another change. 17:51:45 I found this on D:6 - G - the cursed +9,+7 war axe of the Sky (weapon) {chop, rF+ Str-2 Dex+2} 17:51:53 and investment is dubious 17:52:02 even if it's a great axe 17:52:14 simply because the -3 aptitude is absolutely balls 17:52:27 Whatever you do, do not be wielding that weapon when you die. 17:53:48 The reason I ask is because I've been thinking Ha needs alterations. 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The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 18:28:17 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:28:32 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 18:34:09 -!- palacebeast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:43:07 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:43:38 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:49 Desks aren't bad. 18:53:29 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:53:47 -!- FourHTwoA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:54:05 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:38 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:57:06 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:13 -!- MiraclePrism has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:26 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:26 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:18 -!- enygmata has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:04:23 !gamesby reaverb 19:04:23 reaverb has played 174 games, between 2013-05-30 04:12:20 and 2014-04-25 20:34:32, won 1 (0.6%), high score 1478612, total score 3219138, total turns 1359735, play-time/day 0:21:43, total time 4d+23:52:11. 19:05:06 Note to self: Use Youtube's volume instead of my computer so IRC pings aren't super loud. 19:05:22 haha, sorry 19:05:38 I should set up an audio irc ping 19:06:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:08:47 -!- Watball has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:29 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:12:53 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:13:22 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:39 hm 19:14:14 I think the only real ranged_combat work left is balancing, which would be better done in trun,. 19:14:19 *trunk 19:14:23 Thoughgs? 19:14:26 ... 19:14:47 * Grunt hurls his cursed -3 tablet out the window. 19:14:57 Does range_combat simplify the formulas and stuff? 19:15:36 I'd say something, but I've only watched your abuse darts against yaks for a few minutes, so I don't have much to add 19:15:51 s/your/you/ 19:16:13 Grunt: careful with throwing that around, it might actually do damage now. 19:20:56 !whichgod desk 19:20:57 2 recent wins: Ashenzari, Vehumet 19:21:35 !whichgod deen 19:21:36 2 recent wins: Ashenzari, Vehumet 19:21:45 that's just weird, is it the same person? 19:21:50 wrong channel 19:21:57 stop spamming in here 19:24:03 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:05 gammafunk: give it a try yourself maybe? :) 19:29:21 Red_Bucket: ranged_combat is a complete rewrite based on the melee formulae. 19:29:46 03Grunt02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-380-g2b5fe24: Re-bribing a perma-bribed monsters costs at least 1 gold (MarvinPA). 10(85 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b5fe24b763f 19:29:48 * Bcadren 's rage boils over. 19:30:00 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:51 Grunt: Probably best if you merge it and I just start dying more to centaurs 19:33:00 Would it be interesting to have a race that has low magic capacity, but by standing in place, they gain a status that causes rapid magic regen. Like they are anchoring to the earth and channeling its power 19:33:33 how is that different from just...resting? 19:33:37 If ranged combat is based on melee formulae is the bs about launcher and ammo damage bases added being scrapped for the launcher just having a higher base then? 19:33:53 03Grunt02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-381-gf3affeb: Cut "storm around you [strengthen|weaken]s" messages. 10(77 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3affebff560 19:33:55 Red_Bucket I already proposed that...Tree race. 19:34:13 gammafunk he/we mean like Regen spell level MP recovery. 19:35:58 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36:50 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:50 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:41 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:17 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:17 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 19:39:17 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:25 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:41:23 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:41:41 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:56 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:14 -!- gammafunk has quit [Client Quit] 19:42:42 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:52 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:14 Tree Race: Huge, Slow, high natural AC; no body armour, but 4 ring slots (branches). Can 'root' self for MP/HP Regen but complete loss of dodging (which is rather bad anyways). Rest reads like Mummies (no potions; rN+++, rTorm [because plant.]) 19:45:47 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:48 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:46 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:51 Grunt: !abyss? 19:49:00 !abyss bh 19:49:00 Grunt casts a spell. bh is devoured by a tear in reality! 19:49:13 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:23 Grunt: can you merge xtrain for me? I don't have a computer I can build on 19:49:51 mm 19:50:08 MarvinPA had some issues with it re Vehumet spell gifting that I don't think have been looked at yet? 19:50:13 does it display properly? i remember seeing a commit claiming it broke display and none saying it fixed display, at least 19:50:17 That too. 19:50:59 MarvinPA: I couldn't reproduce the claimed breakage 19:51:11 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:51:31 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51:58 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52:18 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52:31 which isn't to say that something isn't broken 19:52:47 You lose your grip on something. 19:53:18 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:53:18 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 19:54:55 -!- Zooty has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:18 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:57:29 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:37 ok, I'll merge it in a week or two 20:02:26 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:02:28 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:38 -!- bones__ has quit [] 20:05:07 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:05:07 Grunt: I scrapped one of my original tomb_1 plans; did you have any leftover ideas for good layouts/themes there? 20:05:24 Nothing that immediately comes to mind. 20:05:49 it's not like a 19x32 block should be that hard to design for, so I just need to get it together 20:06:26 tomb_1_water_palace 20:06:31 dedicated to Basil 20:08:26 Water palace sounds like it would have to be a retheme...Mummy + Water doesn't exactly work. :/ 20:13:21 -!- mewhew has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:15:56 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:56 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:07 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 20:16:08 gammafunk: Make precious corridors, but completely fill them with mummies? 20:16:37 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:39 well grunt made a corridor tomb_1 20:16:50 gammafunk: Oh. 20:16:51 I have an idea, after taking an original idea to steal a hangedman lair end 20:16:54 !source tomb.des 20:16:54 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/tomb.des;hb=HEAD 20:17:06 and then looking at a vault quadrant that's similar (and better for this purpose) 20:18:27 part of the challenge is that 20:18:30 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 184-212 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6192 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 20:18:30 %??greater_mummy 20:18:38 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 20:18:46 3/4 are smite targetted 20:18:48 -!- lexodia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18:58 so any limiting of los is a nerf to the monsters 20:19:04 wow, didn't realize they had summon demon 20:19:14 but I should have, since sum.undead doesn't make demons 20:19:15 -!- Amnekian has quit [] 20:19:18 mummy priest (05M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 10 | HP: 55-75 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1092 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 20:19:18 %??mummy_priest 20:21:22 I still say tomb needs more variety...O_o; 20:21:52 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:21:59 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:22:07 -!- bones__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:22:22 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:18 [Monster types, not just layouts.] 20:23:26 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:43 I badly need to pull myself out of this abyss and y'all are naught but the chaos spawn children of Lugonu to me. For far too long I've been distracted by here. Kept saying I wouldn't develop because it would cause me to waste more time away from my actual work and...it's been two months. I've never done real dev work here or real dev work on my own shit and I'm pretty screwed by being a distractable idiot. 20:25:44 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:04 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:27:18 -!- swayze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:12 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:31:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:02 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:31:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:43 -!- bones__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:33:14 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:31 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 20:35:44 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:37:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:48 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:41:11 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:42:49 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:54 -!- jbenedet1o has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:46:22 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:47:50 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:48:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:39 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:39 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:08 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:07:58 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:12:50 -!- Ultragnash has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:42 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:14:05 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:15:11 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:11 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 21:15:11 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:45 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:45 -!- jeffro_ is now known as jeffro 21:19:46 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 21:19:46 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:35 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:17 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:00 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:03 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:48 -!- nooodl has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:30:53 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 21:35:16 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:37:46 -!- FVG has quit [Quit: fug] 21:39:58 -!- EternalMage has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46:03 Add emphasis to make ghosts distinct on Webtiles; prevent inadvertent camouflague. by XuaXua 21:48:23 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:58 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:19 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:54:31 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:31 -!- Vaporware has quit [Changing host] 21:54:31 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:51 -!- Vaporware has quit [Client Quit] 21:55:49 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 21:56:57 !tell ontoclasm Might want to look at bug #8488, shows a case where ghost tranparancy makes them extremely difficult to distinguish from the scenery. 21:56:57 reaverb: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 21:57:43 -!- MiraclePrism has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:44 -!- Ciph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:29 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:09:38 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:10:23 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12:39 AngusOReily (L5 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:13:06 AngusOReily (L4 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:13:21 AngusOReily (L4 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:16:03 !crash AngusOReily 22:16:32 03reaver02 07* 0.15-a0-358-g3c293e3: Remove another goto (dungeon.cc) 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 25+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c293e3e1cdd 22:16:57 AngusOReily (L6 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:18:38 * SamB wonders what that poor goto did to reaverb 22:19:04 SamB: Made the code more opaque. 22:19:21 SamB: Do you know the command to get crash info from Sequell? I tried !crash and I'm out of ideas. 22:19:36 AngusOReily (L6 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:19:39 !crashlog AngusOReily sprint 22:19:39 4. AngusOReily, XL6 DEFE, T:876 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/AngusOReily/crash-AngusOReily-20140503-031655.txt 22:19:45 AngusOReily (L6 DEFE) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 3258 failed. (D (Sprint)) 22:19:53 AngusOReily (L6 DEFE) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 3258 failed. (D (Sprint)) 22:20:05 !cmd !crash !crashlog 22:20:05 AngusOReily (L6 DEFE) ASSERT(!cell_is_solid(ctarget)) in 'cloud.cc' at line 595 failed. (D (Sprint)) 22:20:06 Defined command: !crash => !crashlog 22:21:02 AngusOReily (L1 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:21:16 !watch AngusOreily 22:21:16 No current CAO game for AngusOreily. 22:21:23 &watch AngusOReily 22:21:24 !watch AngusOReily 22:21:24 No current CAO game for AngusOReily. 22:21:55 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:22:08 "ac = -1658309120" 22:22:14 that's certainly suspcious. 22:22:24 AngusOReily (L1 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:25:18 "OverflowError: signed integer is greater than maximum" 22:25:18 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:45 AngusOReily (L5 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:27:07 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:09 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:19 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:28:00 AngusOReily (L4 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:28:05 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:24 AngusOReily (L3 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:28:40 AngusOReily (L3 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:28:54 &watch AngusOReily 22:28:54 !watch AngusOReily 22:28:54 No current CAO game for AngusOReily. 22:30:37 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:30:47 <|amethyst> shadow creatures in pitsprint probably 22:30:52 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:53 <|amethyst> !crashlog AngusOReily 22:30:53 No milestones for AngusOReily (crash). 22:30:57 <|amethyst> !crashlog AngusOReily sprint 22:30:58 14. AngusOReily, XL3 DEFE, T:815 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/AngusOReily/crash-AngusOReily-20140503-032837.txt 22:30:59 Yeah, we need to figure out what to do there. 22:31:07 Maybe I'll go implement my suggested solution <_< 22:31:18 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 22:32:21 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:32:23 AngusOReily (L1 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:32:41 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:55 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:22 AngusOReily (L1 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:35:08 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-359-gc01f284: Don't crash when resolving MONS_NO_MONSTER from vault lists. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c01f284185e4 22:36:52 -!- palacebeast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38:29 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:39:00 <|amethyst> Grunt: does that double the number of spawns in pitsprint? 22:39:05 AngusOReily (L7 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:39:16 |amethyst: no, that particular codepath does the same thing. 22:39:17 <|amethyst> Grunt: wait, are spawns even on? 22:39:35 <|amethyst> Grunt: so what's the / nothing for in the first place I wonder? 22:39:45 it's specifically for shadow creatures/scrolls of summoning iirc 22:39:45 |amethyst: this is only relevant for code that resolves RANDOM_COMPATIBLE_MONSTER et al (mostly Shadow Creatures). 22:39:55 <|amethyst> st_: what's the "/nothing" in the pitsprint random monster list? 22:40:22 since it gives you scrolls of summoning early, and originally those were one small abomination 22:40:36 but then they changed to just give you a bunch of d:1 spawns which was no use 22:41:00 <|amethyst> so it's supposed to give you half as many aboms as usual? 22:41:29 right 22:41:44 hm 22:41:47 that's not what happens now :( 22:41:49 <|amethyst> Let me try something 22:46:36 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:53 AngusOReily (L9 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1441: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D (Sprint)) 22:50:48 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51:15 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 22:55:11 I set CAO to Rebuild, so we stop getting that error message. 22:55:17 uh 22:55:19 That's cszo, not cao. 22:55:32 Grunt: Drat, &watch lied to me. 22:55:36 rip 22:55:46 reaverb: You can tell from the bot that's announcing it :) 22:55:52 <|amethyst> I'm doing another fix 22:56:09 Grunt: Oh yes, I probably should of noticed that since I also play on CSZO... 22:56:40 I'd be so much easier if the bot names were like szoizzell or such. 22:56:47 aoizzell 22:56:54 <|amethyst> reaverb: "s.z...." 22:57:02 <|amethyst> s.z.ell 22:57:20 <|amethyst> doesn't help with the others necessarily 22:57:40 |amethyst: Yes. 23:00:04 <|amethyst> Grunt: yours doesn't fix the crash anyway 23:00:14 <|amethyst> Grunt: you meant to check vault_mon_types[i], not mon_type 23:00:16 |amethyst: yeah what MarvinPA said was what I was trying to do (I think I also did this in meatsprint) 23:01:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:30 I don't mind if someone just removes the nothings from them, balance isn't really a big deal there 23:03:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-360-gf5e0bc2: Really don't crash on "nothing" in random monster list. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5e0bc27c3c8 23:05:09 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:06:01 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 23:10:40 |amethyst: doh 23:12:18 ...heh, good ranged_combat bug: returning weapons return to you with pproj 23:14:46 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:07 -!- Lprsti99___ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15:44 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:48 -!- Fortescue has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:15:50 Grunt: At this point is it safe to say player_reacts.cc compiles on MSVC and Xcode? 23:16:28 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:16:34 Since I know that had to be added and I don't want to even consider breaking off another file until I'm sure I can continue support for those. 23:20:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:21:00 Uh, ask someone who can build on OS X, I guess? 23:21:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:22:42 Grunt: I'm on a mac myself : ) 23:22:54 I was wonderin if enough time had passed without complaints, mostly... 23:23:00 s/rin/ring/ 23:23:15 Grunt: Either way, thanks for the responce. 23:27:51 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:34:12 reaverb: Don't you have xcode installed? 23:34:20 It's easy to build the mac app on os x 23:34:25 just a different make target 23:34:41 gammafunk: I don't know how to build the mac app on os x, but I do have Xcode 23:34:44 also needs the command-line tools doesn't it? 23:34:48 reaverb: one sec 23:35:28 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:42 reaverb: to build the mac tiles app you can use: make mac-app-tiles APPLE_GCC=y NO_PKGCONFIG=y CONTRIB_SDL=y TILES=y 23:36:46 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36:53 It will make a zip in the folder crawl-ref/source/mac-app-zips that contains the DCSS application. 23:37:05 gammafunk: It's that easy? Wow. 23:37:17 if it builds ok, unzip that and double-click 23:37:26 yeah, it works for me on my macbook running recent os x 23:37:51 I wasn't aware that the xcode project needs to know the specific files like the MSVC project 23:38:00 but then again I know nothing about making those project files 23:38:08 doesn't the project just run make? 23:38:23 well, ok I guess it obviously doesn't run make 23:40:22 IDEs are nosy? 23:41:01 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:42 hrm, I'm not sure that the project file at Crawl.xcodeproj is actually used 23:41:56 or is that made on the fly 23:42:17 I'm thinking "probably not really used in ages", but I dunno 23:42:30 ah, yeah it is in the tree 23:43:26 Ok, what about the MSVC file? Is that made regularly by somebody? 23:43:34 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:44 (still compling make mac-app-tiles by the way) 23:43:45 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 23:43:46 yeah, as I understand things it does need to be modified 23:43:58 yes, it sometimes is actually updated 23:44:17 Yes, that fact it was updated triggered this entire disucssion. 23:44:38 reaverb: if you can test afterwards whether that xcode project file is required for the mac build, that'd be nice 23:44:42 basically whenever the list of files to be compiled + linked changes 23:44:47 gammafunk: Sure. 23:44:50 %git gods 23:44:50 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-381-gf3affeb: Cut "storm around you [strengthen|weaken]s" messages. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3affebff560 23:45:31 (someone revived the idea of having MSVC project files fairly recently) 23:46:01 (and also contributed patches to make stuff work in cl.exe again) 23:46:26 Yeah, looks like I have apt tiles. 23:46:26 compiling in windows under msysgit doesn't require the msvc stuff, does it? 23:46:36 gammafunk: indeed 23:46:46 reaverb: does it run :) 23:46:52 gammafunk: yes. 23:46:55 cool 23:46:58 <|amethyst> hm... 23:47:22 I think you might need all the msys stuff to build with MSVC though; as I understand it, the project is mostly there to build the *main* executable ...) 23:47:27 <|amethyst> I've got a big brace fixup here (43 files) 23:47:33 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:47:35 s/\)// 23:47:36 wow 23:47:44 <|amethyst> but I guess I shouldn't apply while two branches are outstanding 23:47:49 did we forget to run the brace script for too long? 23:47:58 <|amethyst> the brace script doesn't handle this 23:48:02 ah ok 23:48:10 Yes, I run unbrace in my precommit hooks now. 23:48:20 <|amethyst> it removes braces, but I am mostly adding ones 23:48:20 |amethyst: What's the case? 23:48:22 I guess we'll have to....*glasses*....brace ourselves!!! 23:48:29 <|amethyst> reaverb: two kinds of situations: 23:48:31 <|amethyst> 1. 23:48:35 <|amethyst> if (foo) 23:48:39 <|amethyst> return "blah" 23:48:46 <|amethyst> "blah"; 23:48:49 <|amethyst> 2. 23:48:51 <|amethyst> if (foo 23:48:55 <|amethyst> && bar) 23:49:00 <|amethyst> return baz; 23:49:12 |amethyst: so multiline statements and multiline conditions 23:49:19 <|amethyst> yes 23:49:27 <|amethyst> also a few if-nested-in-if 23:49:27 |amethyst: Hmm, so I imagine you made a new script for that? 23:49:29 <|amethyst> but i left most of those 23:49:37 so 1. is also a case of bad indent? 23:49:43 <|amethyst> reaverb: or add it to the existing one, since "unbrace" is a misnomer at this ponit anyway 23:49:49 gammafunk: eh? 23:49:53 |amethyst: Yes. 23:49:59 how would you indent string concatenations like that? 23:50:01 <|amethyst> s/ponit/point/ 23:50:07 oh that is an actual string 23:50:39 yeah I use that string thing a lot in python and C, but haven't yet in C++ 23:50:59 Oh auto string concetenation. 23:51:23 hmm, I don't remember if there is actually anything special about preprocessing for C++ ... 23:51:23 I only know that was a thing because it was used once in the underhanded C competition. 23:51:40 probably "reallyreallylongblahsothefullstringpasses80width" 23:51:57 gammafunk: including indention and return, yeah 23:52:09 indent, the silent killer! 23:52:38 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 23:55:29 <|amethyst> reaverb: Hm, I'm not sure I can write a regexp I'm comfortable with running unattended 23:55:52 <|amethyst> reaverb: since the one I was using had several false positions, not least among them the "while" on do-while loops 23:55:59 <|amethyst> s/positions/positives/ 23:56:02 |amethyst: Sure, maybe place it into a seperate file in case sombody else want's to run it someday. 23:56:44 <|amethyst> oh, actually, it wouldn't work for replace at all 23:56:54 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:57 <|amethyst> because I didn't try to tell the difference between the condition and the body 23:57:05 <|amethyst> added the {} manually 23:58:18 grunt: 23:58:23 Lightning arcs down from a storm cloud! 23:58:24 _You're standing in a cloud of steam! 23:58:26 Lightning arcs down from a storm cloud! 23:58:28 _You're standing in a cloud of steam! 23:58:30 Lightning arcs down from a storm cloud! 23:58:32 _You're standing in a cloud of steam! 23:58:42 any advice on what's going on here and whether I can minimize the occurance of that? 23:59:58 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping]